ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano

[@Jabbing_Jack]

"186 the best weight i ever fought at , small for a heavyweight," and "sometimes having to take 2 or 3 punches to get one in." -- Rocky Marciano @ The Marciano Tapes #1

[@margot9215]

MARCIANO=PERFECTION/INVINCIBILITY

[@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez]

The Marciano Tapes #6 @3:40 Marciano confesses Carmine Vingo hit the back of his head on the plywood flooring. *He said, "it so happened that Vingo hit his head on the flooring, and it sent him unconscious. He was paralyzed a little bit in his fingers and hands. There was a change in the ruling, from then on padding was put on the ring of the flooring."* Rocky's manager Al Weill said the same thing in Marciano's biography 'Unbeaten', *"Vingo hit his head on the flooring, then he went unconscious."* So after all this time it was the plywood flooring that partially paralyzed Vingo, not Marciano's punch. It's no wonder *Vingo said, "I WAS SLAUGHTERED FOR A CROWD" --source: The Saturday Evening Post by Carmine Vingo as told by Seymour Shubin* Nobody knows how that particular ring in 1949 was actually constructed at that particular venue. Regardless of the flooring, Vingo *tooth-pick* Bingo was 6' 4" 189 lbs with an abysmal 38% KO's. A closer look at his eighteen opponents: #1) Vingo 188¼ vs Barney Metten 192¾ lbs CAREER *6 wins 3 losses* with 44% KO's *F-LEVEL* #2) Vingo 187 lbs vs Fred Ramsey 186 lbs CAREER *8 wins 12 losses* with 28% KO's *F-LEVEL* #3) Vingo 190 lbs vs Earl Turner 198 lbs CAREER *2 wins 21 losses* with *0%* KO's *F-LEVEL* Turner's *only purpose* was *Paddin Records.* #4) Vingo 190 lbs vs George Washington 187 lbs CAREER *12 wins 33 losses* with 17% KO's *F-LEVEL* Another *Paid Diver.* #5) Vingo 194½ lbs vs Joe Lindsay 182½ lbs CAREER *28 wins 7 losses* with 29% KO's *C-LEVEL* Vingo *"LOSES"* #6) Vingo 194 lbs vs Freddie McManus 179½ lbs CAREER *18 wins 19 losses* with *7%* KO's *F-LEVEL* #7) Vingo 197 lbs vs Tommy DiGiorgio 183½ lbs CAREER *9 wins 15 losses* with *4%* KO's *F-LEVEL* #8) Vingo 192 lbs vs Jimmy Walls 189½ lbs CAREER *20 wins 41 losses* with *8%* KO's *F-LEVEL* *"Another Diver"* #9) Vingo 189½ lbs vs Tommy DiGiorgio 183½ lbs CAREER *9 wins 15 losses* with *4%* KO's *F-LEVEL* *"SECOND" time* Vingo fights this undercard boxer. *Why???* #10) Vingo 188 lbs vs Johnny Williams 183 lbs CAREER *2 wins 13 losses* with *6%* KO's *F-LEVEL* *This isn't even boxing anymore. It's charity for the homeless.* #11) Vingo 188 lbs vs Don Mogard 191¼ lbs CAREER *20 wins 16 losses* with *15%* KO's *F-LEVEL* #12) Vingo 195 lbs vs Freddie McManus 178 lbs CAREER *18 wins 19 losses* with *7%* KO's *F-LEVEL* *"SECOND" time* Vingo fights this opponent. *Why???* #13) Vingo 195 lbs vs Ernie Conyer 191½ lbs CAREER *5 wins 9 losses* with 21% KO's *F-LEVEL* #14) Vingo 185 lbs vs Ernie Conyer 187½ lbs CAREER *5 wins 9 losses* with 21% KO's *F-LEVEL* *"SECOND" time* Vingo fights this opponent. *Why???* #15) Vingo 188½ lbs vs Joe Modzele 183 lbs CAREER *18 wins 8 losses* with 26% KO's *D to F-LEVEL* *Light* heavyweights *moonlighting as Heavyweights were dime a dozen back then.* #16) Vingo 192½ lbs vs George Washington 189 lbs CAREER *12 wins 33 losses* *F-LEVEL* *"SECOND" time* Vingo fights this *Diver.* Vingo fought *"FOUR"* opponents *"TWICE"* within *16* bouts. *Why?* Even the *majority* of his opponents have *losing* records. *Why???* This is all very reminiscent of Roland LaStarza's first 37 opponents. *This isn't even funny anymore.* It's downright shameful. #17) Vingo 193 lbs vs Al Robinson 193 lbs CAREER *0 wins 5 losses* with *0%* KO's *F-LEVEL* Vingo actually fights a *debuting 0-0-0 amateur just before* he faces little Rocky. *Why???* #18) Vingo 189 lbs vs Rocky Marciano 180¼ lbs CAREER *49 wins 0 losses* with 87.76% KO's *B-LEVEL* Vingo was completely outclassed and never had a chance from the get-go. I saw their Getty Museum pics and Marciano didn't have a single mark on his face, and his eyes were wide open and clear. *What they did to Vingo was a Travesty.* *THE WORST PREDETERMINED 16-2 BOXING RESUME OF ALL TIME* All this time i was mislead into believing that Vingo was this twenty year old superstar being prepped to become the next Heavyweight champ. Instead he was prepped for *SLAUGHTER JUST TO PLEASE A CROWD --Carmine Vingo*

[@seniordavidmanderson9232]

Resilient, relentless, swarming, durable, belief, tough, powerful,.....Unbeaten.....Rocky Marciano

[@Jabbing_Jack]

Marciano said, "I started quite late as a heavyweight. I fought 16 times in my very first professional year. The following year i fought 14 times. Then when i won the title my following year my fights slacked off." Marciano's total fights per year: 1947 -- 1 1948 -- 11 1949 -- 13 1950 -- 6 1951 -- 7 1952 -- 5 Championship years: 1953 -- 2 1954 -- 2 1955 -- 2 Rocky also said, "Floyd Patterson one year only fought 1 or 2 times." Well Mr. little Rocky you did the same for 3 years!!! And, at least Patterson had 64 total fights, not a measly 49. Towards the end he says, "In my 23rd fight i was on television and made a big hit, in beating Joe Louis." Rocky beat Joe his 38th fight, not 23rd. Marciano also said, "Clay was just fighting anybody" (meaning bums)... Have you ever looked in the mirror Rocky? *Cuz yer entire career consisted of F-LEVEL BUMS*

[@TheBatugan77]

@Jabbering_Jackoff Your points are pointless.

[@Jabbing_Jack]

Marciano simply walked away from boxing and his family to fullfil his wicked desires of sleeping with thousands. He also turned to loansharking and needless to say, left his family penniless!

[@theobserver86]

How do you know

[@keithsymons5708]

Why are you a Marciano hater your replys are rediculous 😮

[@margot9215]

"In his heyday, he may have won, probably would have." - Ali

[@Studentofsweetscience]

When "The President" Nigerian Ike Ibeabuchi met "The Tuamanator" Samoan David Tua the Nigerian got out to an insanely fast start, throwing 91 punches in round one according to CompuBox, 91 again in round two, and 95 in round three, obscene numbers for a Heavyweight. By the final bell, Ibeabuchi and Tua had combined to throw 1,730 punches, breaking the Heavyweight record set by Ali vs Frazier III, when they combined for 1,591 punches - in 14 rounds, two rounds more than Ibeabuchi and Tua had to work with. Ike threw 975 punches, the most ever by a single Heavyweight. Both fighters had a brawling fight style, they were both 24 years old at the time of this epic "tribal" battle, and they were both undefeated going in to this fight. 226lb Tua's record stood at 27-0-0 23KO's while 236lb Ibeabuchi's record stood at 16-0-0 12KO's. This fight is the stuff that dreams were made of. Two warriors stood toe to toe and gave it their all, showing exceptional heart and endurance. I try my best to envision light heavyweights Charles & Moore fightin "The Tuamanator" and always end up laughing. And "The President" would have walked through cruiserweights Marciano & Walcott as if they were invisible. Imagine penguin arms tryin to fight top-notch Super Heavyweights with 80" to 85" albatross wingspans and 40 to 90 pound weight advantages? 184 pounds give me a break, what a joke. Marciano was the best during his little post war era 3-generations ago but unfortunately he would not be relevant against today's top-notch Super Heavyweights similar to undefeated 270lb Joyce, undefeated 263lb Makhmudov, undefeated 248lb Sanchez, undefeated 247lb Hrgovic, undefeated 245lb Anderson and undefeated 275lb Fury just to name a few. And then there are so many other real-Heavyweights little Rocky couldn't handle similar to Ibeabuchi Lewis Bowe Vitali Ruddock Witherspoon Grant Bruno Holmes Ali Foreman Liston Tyson Tua Usyk Wladimir Ruiz Parker Ortiz Dokes Lyle Thomas Weaver Briggs Morrison Cooney and Wilder. I could easily list another 25.

[@unnaturalselection8330]

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[@keithsymons5708]

Such disrespect for Marciano you should be ashamed of yourself ? Marciano was the real deal

[@anthonymongelli5567]

Jealousy I Detect Aww! It’s otay like Porky used to say on the little Rascals

[@Studentofsweetscience]

*"Consider that in the December 1962 Ring Magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. "Mr Boxing" himself Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at # 10, Boxing Historians Charlie Rose and Herb Goldman rated him at # 8, Boxing Historians John McCallum's Survey of Old Timers had him at # 9. No major Historian who saw Marciano in their lifetime thought he was a top 5 all time Heavyweight and 68 years have passed since Rocky retired."* -- By "Mr. Boxing" Nat Fleischer (1887-1972), founder of The Ring Magazine and Monte D. Cox, International Boxing Research Organization, 2004

[@Studentofsweetscience]

*Rocky Marciano ducked Marty Marshall, Harold Johnson, Joey Maxim, Yolande Pompey, Jimmy Bivins, Bob Satterfield, Nino Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith, Clarence Henry, Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard, Willie Pastrano, Tommy Jackson, Dan Bucceroni, Bob Baker, Cleveland Williams and Ingemar Johansson just to name a few. Don't fight any that could beat us then leave before the young exposes us.*

[@seniordavidmanderson9232]

I loved Rocky Marciano's response when someone asked him what he was thinking when Walcott knocked him down in their first fight: "Gee, this fellow hits hard. I might have to get up a couple of times before I knock him out."

[@MrJusmobile]

@@Jabbing_Jack NO EXCUSES! EVERYBODY FOUGHT OLD BUMS< EVERYONE! THAT"S IT< EAT IT! 49-0, 43 knockouts!! They hate him because he's a paisano, goomba, Italiano, WHITE!!!! they can't stand it and no one will admit that!!!!! Ask Muhammad Ali if he would have beaten Rocky!!!!!!! Go to the video!!!

[@mattcorcoran7082]

That LaStarza was a tough cookie. Respect for taking that beating and still standing.

[@seniordavidmanderson9232]

Rocky was always so nice and humble. He never trash talked his opponents and always praised their fighting abilities before he broke them , he let his fist do the talking.

[@michaelwhitely1954]

Most if not all were like that. The thing is most of them couldn’t draw flies to the fight game. Then along came clay/Ali You have to understand Liston , Patterson were at the time the premiere heavyweights so why is it that the young and not yet fully established clay/Ali was drawing twenty plus thousand buts to the arenas because he was not just a fighter he was also an entertainer. This ment extra money for all his opponents. You have to admit those fighters needed money. So sir stop insinuating and admit that every once in a while someone special comes along and every one benifits. Ps nuff said. Sir

[@michaelwhitely1954]

@@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez that my friend is the truth. Without the sport of boxing Muhammad would not have a forum to ply his trade, that is exactly why he never cheated the sport. No sir like Marciano said he worked hard for what he accumplished

[@Bronco_Billy_Jack_Hills]

It's interesting how people who experienced watching him in real time don't hold him in the same high regard as folks later on in spite the multitude of great fighters who came on the scene after he quit (Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Lewis, Vitali, Bowe, Holyfield, Tyson, Wladimir, Ibeabuchi, Frazier, etc). All the professionals, managers, trainers, boxing writers and historians in the 50s, 60s and 70s only rated Rocky #7, #8, #9 and #10 Heavyweight, all-time. Funny how his status rises as fewer people remain who actually covered him when he fought. There's a lot of mythology with Marciano and a lot of selective memory about his career. He was brilliantly managed to preserve his undefeated record.

[@unnaturalselection8330]

Funny how there's a wide and varied selection of boxing trainers who hold him in high regard.

[@Terminator6364]

It is not a myth he was 5 ft 10 and weighted around 185 pounds. It is not a myth he lacked proper technique. It is not a myth he K.O. all top contenders for the heaveyweight title. All experts were not impressed back then but most people came to realize he did something almost impossible.

[@margot9215]

Archie Moore was 39, and on a 21 fight win streak, the longest of his career, all against younger opposition. He was prime. Joe Walcott was 38 and the Heavyweight Champion. He was also prime. Charles was 33, a year and a half older, and prime. Louis was 37, but had just won 8 straight, with 4 knockouts, and a defeat of a future hall of famer, in Jimmy Bivins. Rocky only had two years under his belt when he faced Joe Louis. Rocky had great wins over great fighters and champions. That is why Louis said, "he was the best."

[@ExtraterrestrialBeing-jc7to]

Joe Walcott wasn't in his prime he had a late career surge like George Foreman in Joe prime it was the great depression he couldn't eat he was to poor

[@albanyorganics3030]

Jersey Joe was better at the end of his career than at the beginning, or the middle, when he found sponsorship. You can track his improvement from the Louis and Charles bouts that preceeded the Marciano fight. The same hook that flattened Charles cold to win him the belt caught the Rock flatfooted, standing up, and put him down for a four count. Walcott nailed him a half dozen more times with that punch to no effect, as Marciano stayed in his crouch, neutralizing Joe's leverage. Jersey Joe was a formidable opponent, 12lbs heavier than Rocky, with serious KO power, a far more experienced boxer, skillful and crafty in the ring, defending his hard won, long sought crown, trading heavy punches for 12 rounds and by most accounts well ahead on points right until the very end of the most electrifying boxing match ever. You can count the number of boxers who went toe to toe with the Rock for 12 rounds on the fingers of one hand.

[@blackdavidfrost-n-margot727]

Even if little white Marciano could have fought a prime Moore and a prime Charles he'd still be fightin light heavyweights who were both knocked out by middleweights Marshall and Booker. And even you wanna pretend they were in their primes the point is little white Marciano still struggled with light heavyweights.

[@blackdavidfrost-n-margot727]

Maybe little white Rocky could have beaten that circus clown Jess Willard who was paraded around for 4 years without a single fight. Or maybe he could have even beat that other circus clown Primo Carnera who was daily alcoholic (like Andre the Giant) and 100% mafioso controlled. The ‘ambling alp’ was an awful boxer with gigantism or acromegaly (like Andre the Giant). He was promoted as a monster because of his size, but he was really clumsy and couldn`t punch with his full weight, he was completely exposed by Joe Louis who easily battered Primo into submission.

[@blackdavidfrost-n-margot727]

Y'all white Marciano lovers fail to ever mention Marciano's Forced retirement. Why? Because Marciano couldn't take the pain anymore from two confirmed nose surgeries, hand surgery, hundreds of stitches, chronic back pain and constant migraines cause his head was used as a Pinata constantly gettin smacked around,, here,, you hit me five times,, and I'll hit you back one time,, Duh. And all that talk about retiring for his family nonsense was simply a bull•••• publicity stunt because he immediately abandoned his family and left them penniless when he perished.

[@margot9215]

Rocky pounded you relentlessly......endless cardio, endless fury, all champion..

[@anthonymongelli5567]

Relentless !!

[@Jabbing_Jack]

Walcott was 38 and 39 years old when he fought Marciano. Which makes perfect sense when ya study Walcott's facial features and the way his legs started wearing out around the 10th round. That's exactly why Walcott got stuck against the ropes during the unlucky 13th. As Rocky slowly shuffled towards Walcott why didn't he move to his left or right like he was previously doing? Because his Senior citizen legs were washed, that's why. Hey, it happens to us all. Nobody escapes father time! Age 40 in boxing years is Senior citizen, especially if a pro boxer has been training and fightin for 20+ years like Louis, Walcott, and Moore did before they faced little Rocky. Only reason Big George Foreman was able to box from 38 to 48 for his second boxing career is because he suffered very little to no head or body trauma and was able to rest 10 years before his comeback.

[@blackDavid-n-mexicaliMargot]

One would think since little white Marciano was only 185 that he would at least have faster hands than the true Heavyweights right? But Maricano had the slowest hands I've ever seen on a white boy.

[@margot9215]

"In the ring, i never really knew fear." - Rocky Marciano

[@henrysniper8481]

​@Bobby D Don Turner also trained the Klitschko brothers and said that Rocky Marciano would have beat both Klitschko's at the same time.

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Archie Moore went on a 21 fight streak before he faced Rocky Marciano. Moore's numbers may not lie, but numbers minus context can easily lead to distortion. So let's examine those *SEVENTEEN* opponents (not in order). Bobo Olson 170 lbs *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?* Clinton Bacon 170 lbs *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?* Harold Johnson 170 lbs *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?* Harold Johnson *TWICE* *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?* Joey Maxim 174 lbs *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?* Joey Maxim *TWICE* *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?* Joey Maxim *THRICE* *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?* Dogomar Martinez 175 lbs *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?* Sonny Andrews 177 lbs *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?* Rinaldo Ansaloni 178 lb *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?* Jimmy Slade 180 lbs *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?* Bob Dunlap 180 lbs *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?* Clarence Henry 184 lbs *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?* Toxie Hall 188 lbs *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?* Bert Whitehurst 186 lbs *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?* Frank Buford 199 lbs had a career 22 wins 32 losses *F-LEVEL* with 2% KOs. Al Spaulding 210 lbs had a career 25 wins 27 losses *F-LEVEL* with an abysmal 24% KOs. Leonard Dugan 209 lbs had a career 6 wins 2 losses *D-LEVEL* with an abysmal 25% KOs. Bob Baker 209 lbs had a career 51 wins 16 losses *D-LEVEL* with an abysmal 29% KOs. Nino Valdes 209 lbs had a career 48 wins 18 losses *C-minus LEVEL* with a low-power 51% KOs. Nino Valdes *TWICE* How can anyone possibly compare Marciano to Moore??? It never was an even playing field.. How many fights did Moore have before he faced Marciano??? *"ONE HUNDRED SEVENTY EIGHT"* ..give little Rocky 178 fights and put him the same age as Moore what happens??? Light heavyweight Moore beats light heavyweight Marciano 10 out of 10 times!!!! Marciano's #1 critique has *ALWAYS* been that Louis, Walcott, Charles and Moore were not prime. Moore was factually born in 1913 and Marciano in 1923. Rocky fans only defence is, "but but Moore was on a 21 fight win streak before he fought Marciano." Well analyze those 17 opponents. The 5 Heavyweights were C-minus to F-LEVEL opposition, and his best opponents were genuine light heavyweights. Correct??? Charles, Moore, Matthews, Cockell, Johnson, Bivins, etc. were all genuine light heavyweights. Correct??? A prime 220lb Mike Tyson or a prime 230lb David Tua or a prime 225lb Riddick Bowe takes out all these light heavyweights in only 1 or 2 rounds. *MARCIANO NEVER FACED AN ELITE FIGHTER IN HIS PRIME. NAME ONE, JUST ONE PRIME ELITE FIGHTER MARCIANO BEAT???* FAILING TO NAME EVEN ONE PROVES MY COMMENT RINGS TRUE... *SHOW ME ANY RESPECTED BOXING PUBLICATION OR ANALYST THAT CLAIMS WALCOTT, CHARLES AND MOORE WERE IN THEIR PRIME WHEN THEY FOUGHT MARCIANO???* TIC-TOC TIC-TOC

[@carlrball]

Moore had 119 knock outs in his career. he fought for years after Marciano beat him good.

[@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez]

44 Marciano opponents: We see their *entire-CAREER* record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers *complete resume* gives a more *accurate* evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Professional boxers can *easily* be *evaluated* using US school grades *A, B, C, D, and F.* Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good *B-LEVEL* resume. Problem is *he was a natural middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion?* Even Marciano's *best 3 opponents Walcott-Charles-Moore lost (68) times and were KO'd (20) times.* Marciano never faced an elite fighter in his prime. *Name one, just one prime elite fighter Marciano beat?* Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. *Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Walcott Charles Moore were in their prime when they fought Marciano?* *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0 *WAY TOO MANY HOMELESS WALK-IN F-LEVEL BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR EASY $$$ OR BEING FORCED TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET OF BOXING DURING THE 1950s* *EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM BECAUSE THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM* *THEY DIDN'T LITERALLY CONTROL HIM BUT THEY DID TAKE 60% OF ALL HIS EARNINGS AND VERY CAREFULLY PADDED HIS RECORD AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE* The *entire* eastern seaboard was *Italian,* it was *all Italian.* Even the commissioner of boxing was Italian. Al Weill, Rocky's *mafioso manager* and *matchmaker* at the Garden *took* 50% and *all ticket sales* which pushed it closer to *60%.* Marciano had *no choice* but to *comply* or *no contract.* Enormous criminal empires had been built on the supply of illegal liquor during the Prohibition era. *Italian* Al Capone’s the most infamous among them. When prohibition came to an end in 1933, after more than a decade of lucrative and bloody endeavour for the Mob, *they needed* something *new.* Access to the machinery of *boxing,* a wilfully unfettered anarchy proved remarkably easy to acquire. *Boxing was now fertile ground for the Mafia.* *They controlled it all,* from the *trainers* and *managers* to the reporting *journalists,* with a combination of *intimidation* and financial backing ensuring *everybody* the mob *wanted* was under *their control.* *THE DAY AFTER RETIREMENT HE IMMEDIATELY ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS*

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

• Jersey Joe Walcott: A Boxing Biography, April 4, 2012 Chapter 9 --- Louis - Walcott 1 page 71 "From the beginning and all through the buildup of the Walcott - Louis 1 fight, the press criticized Walcott. In no time at all, his age became a huge subject of debate. Just about every sportswriter claimed that Jersey Joe was at least 38 years old. Others said he was 40, or older. Sportswriters dubbed him "Pappy," "elderly," "ancient," and "aging" were commonly used to describe Walcott. Since he was born at home and not in a hospital, he could not prove his age with a birth certificate that was filed when he was born. A birth certificate was finally filed in 1936 when Walcott was in his mid 20s at the Camden Bureau of Vital Statistics." Walcott simply made one up because it was a requirement for the different state boxing commissions. It's all there in Walcott's biography. How does BoxRec know Walcott's age? Was BoxRec at Walcott's home when he was born? Even Jersey Joe Walcott is an invented name. His real name is Arnold Raymond Cream. So if Walcott was at least 38 when he fought Louis in 1947 that would make him at least 43 when he faced Marciano in 1952. Which makes perfect sense when you study Walcott's facial features, and the way his legs started wearing out around the 10th round against Marciano. That's exactly why Walcott got stuck against the ropes during that unlucky 13th. As Rocky slowly shuffled towards Walcott why didn't he move to his left or right like he was previously doing? Because his senior citizen legs were washed, that's why. Hey, it happens to us all. Nobody escapes father time!

[@blackDavidFrost-n-desmoines685]

Marciano fans describe him as being so fierce that he practically killed all 49 of his opponents in the ring. Y'all have these vids saturated with so much exaggerated nonsense that it's laughable.

[@blackDavidFrost-n-desmoines685]

Even if little white Marciano could have fought a prime Moore and a prime Charles he'd still be fightin light heavyweights who were both knocked out by middleweights Marshall and Booker. And even you wanna pretend they were in their primes the point is little white Marciano still struggled with light heavyweights.

[@margot9215]

49 wins, 43 knockouts, 0 defeats. Rocky Marciano, a hero to all those who are told they can't.

[@ExtraterrestrialBeing-jc7to]

Nobody talks about the ass whooping I gave him..👊🏾🥊💯

[@Jabbing_Jack]

Even Walcott was 38/39 years old when he fought Marciano. Which makes perfect sense when ya study Walcott's facial features and the way his legs started wearing out around the 10th round. That's exactly why Walcott got stuck against the ropes during the unlucky 13th. As Rocky slowly shuffled towards Walcott why didn't he move to his left or right like he was previously doing? Because his Senior citizen legs were washed, that's why. Hey, it happens to us all. Nobody escapes father time! A fighter is in his prime when he has the maturity and experience to go along with undiminished reflexes. Once his reflexes start to slide he's past-prime, simple as that. When his reflexes are gone he's a shot fighter. I can't recall seeing a fighter older than his early 30s that still had his reflexes fully intact. It's clear as day that Moore's reflexes were shot against both Marciano & Patterson. Y'all can clearly see Joe Louis telegraph his punches because his reflexes were non-existent. Walcott's legs and/or endurance ran out after round-10 and Charles was natural light-heavyweight that simply did not have enough power to deal with Marciano.

[@carlrball]

If you watch Marciano Walcott 1 Walcott mercilessly punched Marciano hard and in the 13th, of course, the greatest knockout in history.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Hall of Fame Heavyweight Champion Sonny Liston was a muscular 6′2″ powerhouse weighing 220 lbs of pure brick. He had iron in either fist and could put an opponent on the mat quickly with either. Sonny was the most ducked fighter of all time. Even Joe Frazier’s team refused to fight him. Liston in his prime was the real deal. He was a great fighter.

[@blackdavidfrostnDesMoines]

Hall of Fame Heavyweight Champion Sonny Liston was a muscular 6′2″ powerhouse weighing 220 lbs of pure brick. He had iron in either fist and could put an opponent on the mat quickly with either. Sonny was the most ducked fighter of all time. Even Joe Frazier’s team refused to fight him. Liston in his prime was the real deal. He was a great fighter.

[@anthonymongelli5567]

But he was a thug and not a WW2 Veteran like Rocky was jealousy will get you no where .! It’s otay like Porky used to say on the little rascals LOL 😂🧐🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🫡 .!

[@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez]

BoxRec has officially listed these Rocky Marciano opponents as *'middleweights'* and *'light'* heavyweights: Eddie Ross - division *"Middleweight"* Harry Bilazarian - division *"Middleweight"* Archie Moore - division *"Light heavy"* Harry Matthews - division *"Light heavy"* Harry Haft - division *"Light heavy"* Ted Lowry - division *"Light heavy"* Willis Applegate - division *"Light heavy"* Bob Jefferson - division *"Light heavy"* Ezzard Charles - division *"Light heavy"* Apparently after 23 years BoxRec recently *changed Ezzard Charles's division classification to "heavy" several days ago.* It don't matter if they change it to the *"Super-Heavy" division* because he still only weighed *'181-lbs'* when he won his title and there is nothing BoxRec or anyone can do or say to change that Fact. Did the Klitschko brothers and Lennox Lewis have the luxury of fightin middleweights and light heavyweights? Of course not. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion?* Marciano's small era was a huge contributing factor towards the *"cruiserweight"* division being created. *There comes a point the size disparity becomes a bridge too far even for outstanding smaller boxers.* Little Rocky was only 31 when he *"QUIT"* during his prime. He only fought a measly 7 years while everyone else fought 20 years. Many Heavyweights could have retired undefeated if they had *"QUIT"* after only 7 years. What Marciano did to his family is *"unforgivable"* During his retirement speech and his appearance on the Ed Sullivan show he said, "I want to spend more time with my family." *That's not True. It was all a lie. He immediately abandoned his kids and wife to sleep with thousands then left them penniless--@ 1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI*

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

So Fury, Lewis, Vitali and Foreman all would have lost if they fought the hyped-up tomato-cans little Rocky fought? Give me a break. Someone like Roland LaStarza would be obliterated in today's Super Heavyweight world.

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Mayweather was named "Fighter of the Decade" for the 2010s by the Boxing Writers Association of America (BWAA), a two-time winner of The Ring magazine's Fighter of the Year award (1998 and 2007), a three-time winner of the BWAA Fighter of the Year award (2007, 2013, and 2015), and a six-time winner of the Best Fighter ESPY Award (2007-2010, 2012-2014). In 2016, ESPN ranked him the greatest boxer, pound for pound, of the last 25 years. As of May 2021, BoxRec ranks him the greatest boxer of all time, pound for pound. Many sporting news and boxing websites, including The Ring, Sports Illustrated, ESPN, BoxRec, Fox Sports, and Yahoo! Sports, ranked Mayweather as the best pound-for-pound boxer in the world twice in a span of ten years. Since the existence of CompuBox, Mayweather is the most accurate puncher among professional boxers, having the highest plus-minus ratio in recorded boxing history. He has a record of 26 consecutive wins in world title fights (10 by KO), 23 wins (9 KOs) in lineal title fights, 24 wins (7 KOs) against former or current world titlists, 12 wins (3 KOs) against former or current lineal champions, and 5 wins (1 KO) against International Boxing Hall of Fame inductees. He was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in the class of 2021. Mayweather is one of the most lucrative pay-per-view attractions of all time, in any sport. He topped the Forbes and Sports Illustrated lists of the 50 highest-paid athletes of 2012 and 2013, and the Forbes list again in both 2014 and 2015, as the highest-paid athlete in the world. In 2006, he founded his own boxing promotional firm, Mayweather Promotions, after leaving Bob Arum's Top Rank. He has generated approximately 24 million PPV buys and $1.67 billion in revenue throughout his career, surpassing the likes of former top PPV attractions including Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis and Oscar De La Hoya. In 2018, he was the highest-paid athlete in the world, with total earnings, including endorsements, of $285 million, according to Forbes. In November, 2021, Sportico released an all-time athlete earnings list, in which Mayweather ranked no. 6 of all time, totaling an inflation-adjusted $1.2 billion in his career.

[@Whitegorillaboy]

You can say all you want about Mayweather, Jr. and his victories without loss, titles, opponents beaten, and record money earnings. What you can't deny is that he's a puerile, classless, narcissistic asshole who never met a mirror whose reflection he didn't adore, and a man who -- despite all the accolades he's received for prizefighting -- has never done anything of note for the human race. No matter what he's able to buy with money, he'll never be able to purchase human decency or humility.

[@anthonymongelli5567]

Except he wasn’t part of the greatest generation who came out of the Depression and then won WW2 !! That Honor Belongs too ROCCO MARCIANO the only undefeated HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION !!

[@Studentofsweetscience]

George said in an interview with Ring Magazine: “Sparring with Liston is the most dangerous thing that I ever did in my entire life. No matter what I tried against him, it was me who had to revert back to boxing. Nobody made me box like Sonny Liston did and that happened every time we worked together. He taught me many things, including the importance of the jab.” A good example of Sonny's sheer strength was an exercise he devised in training camp of loading an industrial sized wheelbarrow full of rocks, and wheeling it up and down a hill. Foreman, 19, and training with "the old man," could only carry one wheelbarrow for every 3 for Sonny: “His strength," said Foreman, "you just can't believe how strong he was!"

[@justinfletcher7630]

Sonny liston gets such a shit wrap because of prison and people think je was just a .onster.. everything I've heard about him is that he wasn't comfortable in public setting but behind the scenes he was am excellent family man. He had to carry that stern look just to make it especially in those Times.

[@adelhartreisig9020]

@@original.Bobbyd Very impressive use of capital letters.

[@Jabbing_Jack]

Bert Sugar and Jimmy Cannon were sports journalist inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame for their vast amounts of boxing knowledge. @1:00:00 Bert Sugar said, "It wasn't a great heavyweight division at this time." Then Bert quotes Jimmy Cannon who said, "Because of the mobs influence at the time, Rocky Marciano stands out like a rose in a Garbage Dump." Mr. Sugar was widely regarded as the “boxing bible," and he just said, "Rocky's era was not great." I trust his opinion, someone who was actually there. Don Turner wasn't there, he never actually saw Marciano fight in person. Rocky fans love to use positive quote after quote to defend their little hero but totally ignore any and all negative quotes. Just sweep-em under the carpet. Double standard.

[@blackDavid-n-mexicaliMargot]

Great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD, RETIRED, AND COMPLETELY BROKE, JOE LOUIS, who was like fodder fed to a pitbull, kinda like when they fed Larry Holmes to an angry Mike Tyson, or allowed Ali to be served up to Holmes.

[@Jabbing_Jack]

Granted Marciano and Charles were tuff during their time but that was 70yrs ago when heavyweights were not much bigger than light heavyweights. Little Charles weighed 181 and little Rocky weighed 184 when they won their Heavyweight titles, and anyone who thinks they could compete against today's 250-lb Super Heavyweights is Moronic

[@carlrball]

This American obsession that bigger is always better is not necessarily true. There are guys in the UFC who fight at 170 who are wrecking machines, super tough men.In the end Marciano had the perfect record, it will likely never be repeated again. Accept excellence.

[@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez]

Rex Layne - 50 wins 17 losses with an abysmal 48% KOs *C-LEVEL* Keep in mind that *C-LEVEL* is an average fighter that's still capable of winning a title. Layne scores an extremely low *15 points* for his top 10 ranked appearances throughout his career. *Who did he beat?* His best win *was against Walcott* but *everybody beat Jersey Joe so no biggie.* Jersey Joe Walcott - 49 wins 20 losses with an abysmal 44% KOs *C-LEVEL* Walcott scores *55 points* for his top 10 positions. Walcott fought for the title *6* times and lost *5* times. *He's more famous for his losses than his wins.* Ali scored *164 points,* Louis scored *138,* Wladimir *136,* Lennox *111,* Holyfield *109,* Holmes *88,* Foreman *86,* Frazier *84,* Tyson *77* and little Marciano only scored *48 points!* Ali is the only Heavyweight with an *A+ LEVEL.* Marciano is *B-LEVEL* for his *weak competition* and *lack of points.* *(I'll ad a comment below thoroughly explaining Walcott's C-LEVEL resume in detail).* Archie Moore - 186 wins 23 losses with a-low-power 60% KOs *A-LEVEL* at light heavyweight and *C-LEVEL* at Heavyweight. Moore accumulated *156 points* at light heavyweight and only *21* at Heavyweight. Moore misses his *A+ LEVEL* at Light heavyweight because *(23)* losses is *too many.* Ali only had *5,* Louis only had *3,* Lennox only had *2,* Wladimir only had *5,* Liston only had *4,* Vitali only had *2,* Bowe only had *1* etc. *BUT BUT Moore had 220 Fights!!!* Well little Rocky only had *49* so *stop whining.* Ezzard Charles - 95 wins 25 losses with the lowest ever 42% KOs *A-LEVEL* at light heavyweight and *B-minus LEVEL* at Heavyweight. Charles only compiled *24 points* at light heavyweight and *59 points* at Heavyweight. *Too many losses* Fight *4* fights lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1.* Y'all act as if *(25)* losses are *Meaningless.* If Fury or Usyk has only *(1)* loss they'd be thrown under the bus for eternity just like undisputed undefeated light heavyweight champion Michael Spinks was. --- *ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano @**35:01** Bert Sugar said, "His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50s, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* *People forget when they talk about the fights between Marciano and Ezzard Charles that Charles was showing symptoms of ALS. William Dettloff’s book Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 1951 - before he battled Rocky Marciano, Charles was already suffering from the symptoms of ALS, (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), also known as “Lou Gehrig’s disease.” It is notable when around the time Charles lost to Joe Walcott in 1951, Dettloff records that his family had noticed signs of what they would learn later was ALS.* *In summary:* Ray Arcel who loved Ezzard like a son, said, *"Charles had traces of ALS in 51."* Ezzard's own family members said, *"they noticed signs of ALS in 51."* Ezzard Charles (himself) said he, *"felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 51."* *Trying to deny the fact that Charles had weakness in his limbs (ALS) against Marciano in 1954 is not possible because the eye test does not lie. It happened and is well documented so it can never be swept under the carpet. That horrible Motor neurone gene presented itself in 1951 if not earlier. Ezzard Charles was only 53 when he passed - Rest easy champ.*

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Nov 1990 Ring magazine issue has an interview with Roland Lastarza about the two Marciano fights. About their 1st fight Rollie said that Rocky was unusually cautious in the early rounds. "I wondered what he was up to, I'd thought he would come at me, bombing away. When I saw him jabbing and trying to box, I didn't know whether it was a trap or not. So I just stood back and did what I'd planned to do, jab and move." (Marciano was warned 5 times for low blows in the first 5 rds and the 6th rd was given to Lastarza for fouls.) Lastarza recalled, "I knew how close the fight was, everyone did. But overall I'm sure as income taxes that I outscored him. "I honestly feel I was the winner. The Associated Press had it 5-4-1 for me. Every reporter gave me the decision. They said I was robbed." The close decision went to Marciano 5-4-1, 4-5-1 the ref scored draw. "Before the first fight Al Weill promised us a return immediately if the fight was close. The next day he said, "We don't want to go back"..After that he avoided us like the plague. I did get frustrated here was Marciano making a bundle while I was fighting for peanuts." Lastarza discounted the stories about the damage Marciano supposedly inflicted on his arms in their second fight. "There was a rumor after the fight that he hurt my shoulders and arms a lot, but the truth was that I had weak elbows from the fight before, and they were giving me trouble. They really went bad during the training before the Marciano fight. With the state of my elbows I really could not give a good account of myself. During the fight I was under the influence of pain-killers and I really needed them." "Marciano couldn't hit me on the behind for the first five rounds.Then in the sixth I got a shot on my bad elbow, the strength went out of me, and I just stood there from then on. I couldn't move, I took it for five more rounds. They claimed he was punishing me instead of kayoing me, but he was doing his damndest to knock me out, and he couldn't do it for those five rounds because I took a good punch. I was still standing when they stopped the fight." Lastarza was interviewed by James Dusgate

[@blackDavidFrost-n-desmoines685]

Could you imagine 41 year old light heavyweight Archie Moore busting up King Fury and Big George Foreman or any of the great Super Heavyweights? Yet little white Marciano had all he could handle and was floored with one glancing shot from the light heavyweight grandfather.

[@margot9215]

Rocky Marciano was a destroyer of fighters. He overwhelmed his opponents with non-stop aggression and incredible punching power. Most fighters that stepped into the ring with Rocky were ruined or retired. Probably the most destructive fighting force under 190.

[@carlrball]

The best there ever was, hands down.

[@black_David_Frost295]

The great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD, RETIRED, AND COMPLETELY BROKE, JOE LOUIS

[@black_David_Frost295]

Gypsy King Fury would keep little white Rocky at arm's length and force him back whenever he felt crowded. He'd jab, turn and bewilder him for as long as wanted, and if Fury felt so inclined, he'd walk him down Kronk style and smash out a stoppage. And none of this, "if he can't reach his head he'll go to the body", either. That's just bull****. Fury's lead would keep Marciano too far away as is. He ain't getting the opportunities to impose his workrate and definitely doesn't hit hard enough to stop him. Fury jabs him into oblivion. Heck, Fury can land 4 or 5 jabs a round and win the round. King Fury wins. Anyway he chooses.

[@blackknight5339]

Incredible punching power against a 37 yr old Walcott a 37 yr old Louis and a 39 yr old Archie Moore. Great power and stamina beating on old fighters

[@Terminator6364]

@@blackknight5339Osyk is 37 and Tyson Fury 36 right now. You mean old undisputed heaveyweight champions of the world. Back in those years the heveayweight title was the greatest achivement in sports. If there was anyone younger that would have a chance they would take it.

[@rosspbarnett458]

Anyone who says Rocky beat an old man in Archie Moore that night, remember, Archie Moore held the Light Heavyweight title five (5) more years after being beaten by Marciano ! The point here is despite his age, Archie Moore was far from being past his prime when he fought Rocky !

[@Bronco_Billy_Jack_Hills]

What is a Heavyweight Champion doing fighting a little light heavyweight?

[@Bronco_Billy_Jack_Hills]

That entire division was horrendous. Full of little light heavyweights.

[@rosspbarnett458]

Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier both fought Bob Foster, the Light Heavyweight Champion, not uncommon in boxing !@@Bronco_Billy_Jack_Hills

[@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez]

Rocky's numbers may not lie, *but numbers minus context can easily lead to distortion.* So let's examine those 13 opponents *(not in order)* that he supposedly *FORCED INTO RETIREMENT* instantaneously. #1) *Amateur* Lee Epperson - *0 wins 0 losses.* Shameful to even count this as "Forced-Retirement." *Retired from what??* He never even had a career. Epperson was probably *15 years old like Walcott and Moore were* when they first started. #2) *Amateur* Jimmy Weeks - *0 wins 0 losses.* Embarrassing to count this as "Forced-Retirement." *Probably another 15 year old.* #3) *Amateur* John Edwards - *1 win 1 loss.* Y'all gonna count this as *"Forced Retirement"* also??? #4) We factually know that ring-worn-n-washed Joe Louis only came back because the *IRS-FORCED him to.* As soon as IRS took Joe's purse for fightin Rocky he was *finally outta there for good!!!!* #5) Walcott only returned for Marciano-2 for another *easy $250K.* Walcott received the *lions share both fights.* Had Walcott continued fightin he would have only received a *fraction* of that. *$250K back then is $2.6 million today.* Little Rocky never "Forced-Retirement" upon Walcott,, he *"QUIT"!!!!* #6) Lee Savold age was 36 with *153 bouts.* His manager, *Bill Daily, asked referee Pete Tomasso to stop the uneven match at the end of the sixth round. "The will was there but not the body," said Daily. "I'm going to advise Lee to retire Tomorrow."* Lee didn't even throw a punch, he just stood there like a heavy punching bag. *Completely washed* Savold was only there for his last *Big-Paycheck!!!!* #7) 254-lb Humphrey *"The-Bum"* Jackson - *4 wins 2 losses* with 28% KO's *F-LEVEL* Jackson never beat a winning fighter. It only took *0:34** seconds* for Jackson to be KO'd in his first fight, and *1:28* in his last fight. The less said about *"The-Bum"* the better. #8) Jimmy Evans - *18 wins 8 losses* with 50% KO's *F-LEVEL* Evans fought *10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Evans weighed 178 lbs. *Too many light heavyweights.* #9) Harry Haft - *12 wins 8 losses* with 35% KO's *F-LEVEL* Harry was only 5' 9" 174 lbs. *Isn't this supposed to be the Heavyweight division???* #10) Gino Buonvino - *24 wins 15 losses* with *10%* KO's *F-LEVEL* Marciano fights Buonvino *"TWICE"* ..why??? #11) Eldridge Eatman - *22 wins 21 losses* with 22% KO's *F-LEVEL* Marciano fought Eatman who had just lost *8 of his last 9 fights* Rocky's handlers were afraid to put him in with anyone decent after coming so close to losing against LaStarza. *"'Eatman proved no opposition for Marciano,'" according to BoxRec and the Providence Journal, "'Marciano hit Eatman with a right in the 3rd round and Eatman went down, THOUGH IT DIDN'T APPEAR HE WAS HIT'"* ..Eatman's profession was *paddin records.* #12) Pete Louthis was 32-13-5 with 35% KO's *F-LEVEL* Pete fought *amateur* Willie James with a *0-0-0 debut* record only 2 fights before facing Marciano. Pete fought *10 amateurs with 0-0-0 debut* records. For Pete's sake he also fought another *20 opponents that had 10 or less fights.* #13) Carmine Vingo -- 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KO's looks okay until you see *ALL 16* wins came against *F-LEVEL* opponents. The Marciano Tapes #6 @3:40 Marciano confesses Carmine Vingo hit the back of his head on the plywood flooring. *He said, "it so happened that Vingo hit his head on the flooring, and it sent him unconscious. He was paralyzed a little bit in his fingers and hands. There was a change in the ruling, from then on padding was put on the ring of the flooring."* Rocky's manager Al Weill said the same thing in Marciano's biography 'Unbeaten', *"Vingo hit his head on the flooring, then he went unconscious."* So it was the plywood flooring that partially paralyzed Vingo, not Marciano's punch. It's no wonder *Vingo said, "I WAS SLAUGHTERED FOR A CROWD" --source: The Saturday Evening Post by Carmine Vingo as told by Seymour Shubin* After all this time i was *mislead* into believing that Vingo was this twenty year old superstar being prepped to become the next Heavyweight champ. Instead he was prepped for *SLAUGHTER JUST TO PLEASE A CROWD --Carmine Vingo* *IT APPEARS LITTLE ROCKY DID NOT FORCE-RETIRE ""ANY"" OF THESE BOXERS*

[@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez]

Immediately after Bert said that, Bill Gallo chimes in and says, *"Ray Arcel was a good friend of mine and he told me he loved Ezzard Charles like a son."* -- which brings us to whatever happened to the famous Ray Arcel ??? *"After some disputes with president Jim Norris of The International Boxing Club of New York (IBC) in the 1950s, Ray Arcel (trainer for Charles) retired from training after being injured with a lead pipe during an attack in Boston. The case that was never solved by police."* --Wiki *"In the early fifties, Arcel ran afoul of organized crime after arranging fights for the ABC television network. The matches competed with other network television fights run by the IBC, known to have underworld ties. In September 1953, in front of a Boston hotel, Arcel was struck on the head with a lead pipe. Many believed that the assault was related to his work in television. Arcel recovered but dropped out of boxing soon after the incident. Not until the early 1970s did Arcel return. He began an eight-year association with Roberto Duran."* --International Boxing Hall Of Fame *And Sports journalist Bert Sugar was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame for his vast amount of boxing knowledge. Mr. Sugar was widely regarded as the “boxing bible." Sugar wrote more than 80 books and was ranked as "The Greatest Boxing Writer of the 20th Century" by the International Veterans Boxing Association. Among his boxing books are Sting like a Bee, Great Fights, Bert Sugar on Boxing, 100 Years of Boxing, The 100 Greatest Boxers of All Time, The Thrill of Victory, The Ageless Warrior and Boxing's Greatest Fighters.*

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

[[[[[ 🏋️""SIZE-MATTERS""🏋️ ]]]]] NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING HAS A 190 LB MAN BEAT AN ELITE SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION

[@blackDavidFrost-n-desmoines685]

236 lb Ike Ibeabuchi holds the Heavyweight record for most punches ever thrown against David Tua. Super Heavyweight Ibeabuchi outworked and showed more heart than little Rocky was ever capable of. No Super Heavyweight of his generation possessed more ability. He was a prodigy. He had amazing power. He had fierce determination and he had no fear of anybody, he believed that nobody could beat him. Ike was a Super Heavyweight with serious power, great speed, chin of iron, a boxer and a brawler, freakish stamina, threw punches in bunches with KO written all over them, and had a ridiculous workrate. It's laughable to even to even think about little 188 lb Marciano vs. 245 lb Ibeabuchi. Ike woulda walked through little Rocky like a hot spoon going through butter.

[@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez]

There are *few* Heavyweight champions in the history of boxing that are *better known* for *their losses* than *their wins.* Jersey Joe Walcott's *high profile losses* is what *elevated his status* and built up his credentials, *not his wins.* *During his peak championship years, Walcott scored 7 wins with 5 KO's. Only one of those KO's came against a ranked fighter, that being Ezzard Charles. During this time Walcott also lost 7 times and suffered 10 count KO's 3 times and a 9 count once. In total fights during this time Walcott's record was 7-7. In title fights he went 2-6 with 1 KO win and 3 KO losses. He fought 3 different men in his 8 title fights, was defeated by each of them twice, KO'd by two of them and only defeated one of them.* In his overall career Walcott had a *49-20-1* record and was *KO'd 6 times* (BoxRec). Based on these *less than impressive stats* it is difficult to consider him anymore than a *good Journeyman.* Walcott scored 32 KO's in 70 fights. The *'only two'* 'ranked' fighters Walcott ever KO'd was an off the floor 10th round win over Curtis Sheppard and the *lightning in the bottle* KO of Ezzard Charles. Walcott is a prime example of boxing historians rating a fighter *higher than he deserves* based on *impressive losses.* Walcott was *winless* in all *4* of his fights vs. Louis/Marciano and was KO'd *3* times. *The fact that Walcott was granted 6 title attempts in a 6 year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division must have been at this time. ""Five"" of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss.* Had Walcott been fighting in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's, there is *no-way* he would have been granted this many opportunities after losing *so-many* title attempts. Walcott should at best be remembered not as a great Heavyweight champion, but a *good C-LEVEL Journeyman.* *If a fighter today had 20 losses and was KO'd 6 times he'd be considered F-LEVEL all day every day.* Wilder and Joshua *only have 5 losses between them* yet they are already considered *has-beens.* But it's *perfectly fine* for Walcott Charles Moore to have *(68)* losses, *double standard.* *Lennox Lewis was only KO'd 2 times and his top-10 ranking has suffered ever since.* But it's *perfectly fine* for Walcott Charles Moore to have been *KO'd (20)* times, *double standard.*

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Jonathan Eig wrote of Sonny in Ali: A Life: “Liston does not merely defeat his opponents. He breaks them, shames them, haunts them, leaves them flinching from his punches in their dreams."

[@blackDavidFrost-n-desmoines685]

People describes little white Marciano as being so ferocious that he basically killed all 49 of his opponents in the ring. Marciano vids are filled with fan boys exaggerated-hyperbole-comments about Rocky's power. But what people fails to tell everyone is that LaStarza (with all his "Broken Bones" and "Ruptured Blood Vessels") simply had minor surgery and was fightin exactly 6 months later. Layne only had 4 broken teeth and was fightin exactly 3 months later - Wiki. These are all normal boxing injuries. Notice how these Marciano lovers never wanna discuss his injuries? Like 2 confirmed nose surgeries, hundreds of stitches, chronic back pain and constant migraines cause his head was used like a Pinata constantly gettin smacked around, here, you hit me 5 times and I'll hit you back one time, Duh.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Boxing Historian Monte Cox wrote: “Liston was made to be a fighter. His physical attributes bordered on the freakish. At six-foot, one-inch, he had an eighty-four inch reach-longer than that of all other champions with the exception of Primo Carnera. His neck was a massive eighteen inches. But the number that leaps off the page-the statistic that looks initially lik' a typo-is that which corresponds to his hands. When closed into a fist, they measured fifteen inches around, virtually twice the size of an average man’s. To contemplate the impact of a fist that large, delivered over a distance that great, from a man so determined to do damage, would give even the bravest opponent pause."

[@blackdavidfrostnDesMoines]

The great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD, RETIRED, AND COMPLETELY BROKE, JOE LOUIS

[@blackdavidfrostnDesMoines]

Fury Ibeabuchi Lewis Bowe Vitali Holmes Wladimir Foreman Liston Tyson Witherspoon Thomas Weaver Holyfield Usyk Cooney Tua Morrison Golota Dokes Mercer Povetkin Byrd Haye Bruno Rahman Whyte Ruiz Cleveland Williams etc. are all faster than slow-little Rocky despite being so much Bigger. Marciano fans know that Rocky's not winning any of these fights but will never admit it. Stop living in denial. Rocky is so overrated and definitely doesn't deserve to be ranked within the top 10. Maybe 28th place in top 30

[@Jabbing_Jack]

Bert Sugar and Jimmy Cannon were sports journalist inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame for their vast amounts of boxing knowledge. @1:00:00 Bert Sugar said, "It wasn't a great heavyweight division at this time." Then Bert quotes Jimmy Cannon who said, "Because of the mobs influence at the time, Rocky Marciano stands out like a rose in a Garbage Dump." Mr. Sugar was widely regarded as the “boxing bible," and he just said, "Rocky's era was not great." I trust his opinion more than crooked-scammer Don Turner. Sugar wrote more than 80 books and was ranked as "The Greatest Boxing Writer of the 20th Century" by the International Veterans Boxing Association. Among his boxing books are Sting like a Bee, Great Fights, Bert Sugar on Boxing, 100 Years of Boxing, The 100 Greatest Boxers of All Time, The Thrill of Victory, The Ageless Warrior and Boxing's Greatest Fighters. Rocky fans love to use quote after quote after endless quotes to defend their little hero but totally ignore any and all negative quotes. Just sweep em under the carpet. Typical double standard. Same applies with mob influence which controlled every single facet of the 1950's boxing era.

[@blackDavid-n-mexicaliMargot]

Both Ted Lowry and Roland LaStarza went to their graves saying they beat overrated Rocco Francis Marchegiano first fight, and all the newspaper reporters and fans ringside agreed. The Great authentic Heavyweight Larry Holmes referred to little Rocco padding his record by fighting his brother Peter Marchegiano on at least 3 or 4 occasions so as to boost his record, his brother fought under alias names ..this has also been mentioned in various books. Marchegiano's 49-0 record is FLAWED.

[@Terminator6364]

You can still watch his fights right? He won, he knocked out all of them, without any politics or ducking. The mobs influence was strong indeed because boxing after the war until the 80's was great and highly valued by the mob. Some experts does not value heart and determination over technique and talent, thats why it sting so much when Rocky is more appreciated than their favourite fighters.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Sonny had a-albatross 84″ reach. Little Rocky had a-stubby 67" reach. A 17″ reach advantage is a tall order to overcome, but when the man with the reach advantage is the most fearsome puncher in history it’s insurmountable. Marciano’s style was tailor made for Liston. Liston’s power and reach would have been too much for the plodding face first Marciano.

[@mikemilliken3596]

Bullshit

[@mikemilliken3596]

Marciano would of stay close and backed him up like he did to everyone

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Chuck Wepner who fought both Liston and Foreman said that compared to Liston, Foreman was Mr. Friendly. He said that getting hit by George was like getting hit by an incredibly strong man, getting hit by Sonny was like getting hit by a baseball bat. Wepner left the ring of the Liston fight looking like he had just been in a horrific car accident. The fight was stopped by ring doctor after the 9th round, Wepner had 6 massive cuts to his face that required the most ever 338 stitches[1] and was pouring blood everywhere, his left eye was swollen completely shut, his cheek as well as nose were broken. 1. Chuck describes his record 338 stitches -- 'Chuck Wepner interview with Tony Polito' @14:20 ( Liston expert, Paul Gallender said, "Sonny Liston was killed by the mobsters, with a heroin overdose, because he didn’t throw the Wepner fight")

[@mikemilliken3596]

Chuck wepner could,not box

[@Studentofsweetscience]

@@mikemilliken3596 Nor could Marciano!!!

[@Studentofsweetscience]

@@mikemilliken3596 Sonny Liston v. Wayne Bethea Aug 1958 -- Referee stops the fight upon discovering many of Bethea's teeth in his mouthpiece. Bethea, a tough journeyman who had never been off his feet, said after being stopped by Liston: “He must have hit me with a horseshoe in his glove!" Liston hit Bethea and knocked out 7 of his teeth, broke 9 more for 16 lost teeth from one blow!

[@Studentofsweetscience]

@@mikemilliken3596 *People forget when they talk about the fights between Marciano and Ezzard Charles that Charles was showing symptoms of ALS. William Dettloff’s book Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 1951 - before he battled Rocky Marciano, Charles was already suffering from the symptoms of ALS, (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), also known as “Lou Gehrig’s disease.” It is notable when around the time Charles lost to Joe Walcott in 1951, Dettloff records that his family had noticed signs of what they would learn later was ALS.* *ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano @**35:01** Bert Sugar said, "His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50s, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* *In summary:* Ray Arcel who loved Ezzard like a son, said, *"Charles had traces of ALS in 51."* Ezzard's own family members said, *"they noticed signs of ALS in 51."* Ezzard Charles (himself) said he, *"felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 51."* *Trying to deny the fact that Charles had weakness in his limbs (ALS) against Marciano in 1954 is not possible because the eye test does not lie. It happened and is well documented so it can never be swept under the carpet. That horrible Motor neurone gene presented itself in 1951 if not earlier. Ezzard Charles was only 53 when he passed - Rest easy champ.*

[@mikemilliken3596]

Are you kidding, Marciano could box, and he started fighting at 23 years old, your the one disseng Marciano, I'm not gonna argue with you,

[@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez]

Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott's 20 losses: *1.* ln 1930 Walcott lost to 159-lb Palmer. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *SEVEN* years old. *2.* In 1930 Walcott lost to 158-lb Carl Mays. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *EIGHT* years old. *3.* In 1933 Walcott lost to 177-lb Henry Taylor. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *TEN* years old. *4.* In 1936 Walcott was *KOd* by 191-lb Al Ettore. Marciano was *THIRTEEN* years old. *5.* In 1936 Walcott lost to 179-lb Billy Ketchell. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *THIRTEEN* years old. *6.* In 1937 Walcott was *KOd* by 178-lb Tiger Jack Fox. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *FOURTEEN* years old. *7.* In 1937 Walcott lost to 174-lb George Brothers. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *FOURTEEN* years old. *8.* In 1938 Walcott lost to 184-lb Tiger Jack Fox AGAIN. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *FIFTEEN* years old. *9.* In 1938 Walcott lost to 197-lb Roy Lazer. Marciano was *FIFTEEN* years old. *10.* In 1940 Walcott was *KOd* and sent into *RETIREMENT* for *3-years* by 256-lb Abe Simon. A Super Heavyweight in every sense, he benefitted from a remarkable sixty-two pound weight advantage. Behind in points in the first five rounds, Simon unleashed a tremendous right @ 2:32 into the sixth causing the knockout. Walcott barely moved as he was counted out." -- Wiki* ..Simon was sent into *permanent RETIREMENT* by Joe Louis in 1942. Marciano was *SEVENTEEN* years old. *11.* In 1945 Walcott lost to 204-lb Johnny Allen who had more losses than wins. Marciano was *TWENTY TWO* years old. *12.* In 1946 Walcott lost to 179-lb Joey Maxim. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *TWENTY THREE* years old. *13.* In 1946 Walcott lost to 191-lb Elmer Ray. Marciano was *TWENTY THREE* years old. *14.* In 1947 Walcott lost to 212-pound Joe Louis. *JOE LOUIS SAID HE BEAT WALCOTT IN THIS BOUT.. LOUIS ALSO SAID WALCOTT WAS OLDER THAN HE WAS (@ Louis vs. Walcott The Way it Was Part 1 and 2).* Marciano was *TWENTY FOUR* years old. *15.* In 1948 Walcott was *KOd* by 213-lb Joe Louis. Louis barely got through the Journeyman so he announced his retirement March 1, 1949. Louis's once speedy reflexes were gone and it showed. Marciano was *TWENTY FIVE* years old. *16.* In 1949 Walcott lost to 181-lb Ezzard Charles. This fight was for the *"vacant"* Heavyweight title. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *TWENTY SIX* years old. *17.* In 1950 Walcott lost to 192-lb Rex Layne. Marciano was *TWENTY SEVEN* years old. *18.* In 1951 Walcott lost to 185-lb Ezzard Charles AGAIN. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *TWENTY EIGHT* years old. *19.* In 1952 Walcott was *KOd* by 184-lb Rocky Marciano. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *TWENTY NINE* years old. *IT IS OUT OF THE QUESTION THAT WALCOTT WAS IN HIS PRIME vs. MARCIANO BECAUSE IT'S SCIENTIFICALLY AND MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE!!! AND JUST BECAUSE YOU SAY HE WAS PRIME DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE!!! PUT WALCOTT AT (( 29 )) AND MARCIANO AT (( 38 )) - WHAT HAPPENS???* *20.* In 1953 Walcott was *KOd* by 184-lb Rocky Marciano. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *THIRTY* years old and Walcott was very close to *FORTY!!!* *It was advantageous that Marciano started late because he was fresh while the others were already smashed around lik' bowling pins for (15) years. Also little Rocky did have an extensive amateur career. His uncle hung a heavy bag in the back yard when he was only 10 years old, and he had years of daily sparing while he was in the military.*

[@blackDavidFrost-n-desmoines685]

90% of little white opponents were journeymen, and the rest were small cruiserweight has-beens with twice as many fights on the downward slide. Considering all his B-Level opposition and the fact that he 'Quit' during his 'Prime' , 49-0 really isn't that fantastic.

[@margot9215]

Best conditioned fighter who ever lived...great heart...power...stamina...chin of iron...ridiculous work rate...hurt you no matter where he hit you...never took a backward step...threw punches in bunches...broke bone and blood vessels...pain meant nothing...he feared no man...49-0...43 KO's...put The Rock in with anyone!

[@carlrball]

100% he was the one and only heavyweight champ!

[@carlrball]

@@Stout_Krout Good god what a pile of detracting crap.

[@black_David_Frost295]

After little white Rocky abruptly 'Quit' boxing during his 'Prime' he immediately abandoned his family to sleep with thousands, then left them penniless. What a soab - Classy guy though.

[@black_David_Frost295]

Y'all like my new VR1000 !?! It's a water cooled fuel injected v twin with overhead cam and 4 valves per cylinder, it has 13.5 : 1 compression ratio, pumps out a little over 100 ponies and does 0-60 in 3.2 seconds. It taks a man to ride this bike, that's why I just sold it. Had to. My Mexican American wife Mexicali Margot made me. She's right because i only weigh a very skinny 137 pounds and have never riden a motorcycle. My nickname is Toothpick My real name is David Frost, I use all these other aliases just to make the white man mad. I also had to sell all my clothes, shoes, and my terrific collection of cigarette butts. But that's what my wife Margot wanted. And I do anything for her. She may be 86 years old, but she's toothless and gives a great bj, I can't really get it up anymore so she just kind of gums around and slobbers on it. It feels pretty good tho.

[@black_David_Frost295]

The great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD, RETIRED, AND COMPLETELY BROKE, JOE LOUIS

[@margot9215]

Don't be fooled by his size or awkward style, Marciano was a beast.

[@knockknock1246]

👍 You know, even the reach of Manny Pacquiaos was more than two inches over that of Marcianos. That's a feat in itself owed to show skill of Marciano. Compact and lethal.

[@robbie192]

Gee thanks

[@robbie192]

​@Stout Krout Stout Krout Stout Krout Stout Krout boy...you don't know boxing kid

[@Jabbing_Jack]

Lou Duva was asked "what do you think about Ezzard Charles" @59:48 he said, "remember he was a Light heavyweight that moved up." Of course he did becuz there were no genuine Heavyweights to stop him. Name ""ONE"" topnotch prime 200+lbs Heavyweight Marciano fought??? The answer would be ""ZERO""!!!!

[@blackDavid-n-mexicaliMargot]

After little white Rocky abruptly 'Quit' boxing during his 'Prime' he immediately abandoned his family to sleep with thousands, then left them penniless. What a soab - Classy guy though.

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Muhammad Ali is the only boxer to be named The Ring magazine Fighter of the Year six times, and was involved in more Ring "Fight of the Year" bouts than any other fighter. He was inducted into the Hall of Fame in its first year and held wins over seven other Hall of Fame inductees. Ali appeared on the cover of Sports Illustrated on 38 different occasions, second only to Michael Jordan's 46. He also appeared on the cover of Time Magazine 5 times, the most of any athlete. Ali was crowned Sportsman of the Century by Sports Illustrated and was named Athlete of the Century by USA Today. He was presented with the Presidential Citizens Medal by Clinton and received the Presidential Medal of Freedom from Bush. In 2015, Sports Illustrated renamed its Sportsman Legacy Award to the Sports Illustrated's Muhammad Ali Legacy Award. In June 2016, an amendment to the US draft laws were named after Ali, a proposal to eliminate the Selective Service System. The Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act was passed in 2000, to protect the rights and welfare of boxers in the United States. As a world champion boxer and pop culture icon, Muhammad Ali was the subject of numerous creative works including books, films, music, video games, TV shows, and other. Muhammad Ali was often dubbed the world's "most famous" person in the media. Several of his fights were watched by an estimated 2 billion viewers between 1974 and 1980, and his lighting of the torch at the 1996 Atlanta Olympics was watched by an estimated 3.5 billion viewers. He also wrote several bestselling books about his career, including The Greatest: My Own Story and The Soul of a Butterfly. When We Were Kings, a 1996 documentary about the Rumble in the Jungle, won the Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature. The 2001 biopic Ali garnered a Best Actor Oscar nomination for Will Smith for his portrayal of Ali. In 2002, Ali was honored with a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame for his contributions to the entertainment industry. His star is the only one to be mounted on a vertical surface, out of deference to his request that the name Muhammad-not be walked upon. Documentary filmmaker Ken Burns created the four-part documentary film Muhammad Ali, spanning over eight hours on Ali's life. Burns worked on the film from early 2016 and it was released in September 2021 on PBS. Dave Zirin, who watched an 8-hour rough cut of this documentary, called it "utterly outstanding" and said "the footage they found will blow minds."

[@unnaturalselection8330]

Dunno how you confused the two, but this documentary isn't about Ali, bro

[@Aaron-fo1sy]

If you read all their comments, you’d think Marciano stole this guys girl or something.

[@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez]

Too many Rocky fans *don't do a deep drive into examining his career. That magical 49-0 is the shiny coin so many can not see beyond.* LaStarza was one of Marciano's best opponents, he was 37-0. How many of y'all *actually studied the 37 guys LaStarza fought?* Well *here they are:* We see their *entire-CAREER* record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers *complete resume* gives a more *accurate* evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Professional boxers can *easily* be *evaluated* using US school grades *A, B, C, D, and F.* #37) Cesar Brion - 49 wins 11 losses with 36% KOs *C-LEVEL* looks okay until ya *see how many of his wins came against his fellow Argentinians* Walter Hafer - 22 wins 26 losses with 26% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jackie Lyons - 32 wins 24 losses with 23% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Carollo - 36 wins 17 losses with 16% KOs *D-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Weinberg - 44 wins 22 losses with 34% KOs *D-LEVEL* Gene Gosney - 14 wins 5 losses with 42% KOs *C-minus-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Mike Jacobs - 14 wins 16 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Mel McKinney - 8 wins 10 losses with 5% KOs *F-LEVEL* Teddy Georges - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Oscar Goode - 43 wins 23 losses with 20% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tony Gangemi - 21 wins 18 losses with 26% KOs *F-LEVEL* Benny Rusk - 20 wins 17 losses with 27% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred McManus - 18 wins 19 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Holloway - 2 wins 11 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Claude McClintock - 1 win 9 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Steve King - 21 wins 11 losses with 17% KOs *D to F-LEVEL* Jimmy White - 9 wins 17 losses with 11% KOs *F-LEVEL* Frankie Reed - 2 wins 14 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Mike Belluscio - 15 wins 10 losses with 37% KOs *F-LEVEL* Luther McMillan - 13 wins 19 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Ramsey - 8 wins 12 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Matt Mincy - 0 wins 11 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lorne McCarthy - 2 wins 11 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Matt Mincy - 0 wins 11 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Zeke Brown - 0 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jim Johnson - 3 wins 22 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Dodd - 8 wins 12 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Al Zappala - 20 wins 27 losses with 9% KOs *F-LEVEL* Zack Johnson - 3 wins 7 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Dave Glanton - 1 win 13 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* *Lewis Watson, the boxing writer and historian, speaks of the artificial puffing up of records against cherry picked competition, saying: “Unbeaten records are fairly padded; you have to look if there are any notable victories coming against first rate competition."* *"Promoters lookin for a way to get their prizefighters a big payoff will first invest thousands of dollars in padding his numbers against truly horrendous opponents. A guy who’s undefeated at 37-0, for example, might not be any better than a more seasoned boxer with a lousy record."* -- The Ring Magazine *THE WORST 37-0 EVER.* Roland was well protected and very carefully managed. There are so many names from his era conspicuously missing from his record. LaStarza's only claim to fame was having lost a close decision to Marciano. *End of story.* "His reputation was built on the first Rocky fight. Although he had a long winning streak at the beginning of his career, there are no tough names on his record. After the first Marciano fight he could have forced the issue by meeting top fighters. He refused fights with Charles, Moore, Clarence Henry, Bob Baker etc. Lost and avenged to overstuffed light heavy Dan Bucceroni and to light heavy Rocky Jones and looked terrible against Jones in the rematch. The Jones win and a victory over the faded Rex Layne gave him the credentials to meet Rocky for the title. A fight I am told Rocky was more intent on giving Roland a beating for all of the talk that he "was afraid" to meet LaStarza again. Look at LaStarza's record there are no names on it except for Marciano. I have the complete film of the Jones rematch and believe me LaStarza looked terrible. LaStarza NEVER fought a dangerous opponent except Marciano and thats a fact if you know any of the fighters from his era. I am not saying that LaStarza was a coward but he (or, excuse me, his management) refused matches with Henry, Charles, Baker, and Archie Moore. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much, saying he wouldn't take those matches because he "deserved" a rematch with Marciano and thought he was offered the other matches by the IBC only because they were trying to knock him out of "his rightful shot at Marciano." Boo Hoo Hoo. Real, confident fighters go out and prove they deserve their shot by beating dangerous fighters to force a showdown with a champion." -- *Chuck Hasson Boxing Historian and Philly Boxing Founder* LaStarza was coming off a loss and a win against 14-9-2 Rocky Jones. Layne had lost to the unrated 12-2 Willie James and a light heavyweight contender. The winner of this garbage gets a world title shot against a guy who already beat BOTH of them. *Heavyweight contenders today aren't rated at the top after they lose to unranked journeymen and light heavyweights.* *LaStarza vs. Layne (uploader William Walker)* reminds me of watching two midwest *club fighters* fightin a *4* rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. *Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill.* Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. *What an oaf.*

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Folks tryin to say Marciano would weigh 220 lbs today is laughable. All the PEDs in the world ain't gonna help his extraordinarily short dwarfism arms grow longer.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Ali fought both Foreman and Liston, and he said that when it came to George he just had to take the hits and wear big George down, in the case of Liston, he simply did not want to get hit at all. So for Ali it was certainly Sonny that hit harder. Foreman trained with Liston after the Olympics, preparing him for pro boxing. George said Sonny was the only man that had ever pushed him backwards with sheer strength alone. He also said that you were always really careful not to make Sonny mad! I think it is pretty safe to say that Sonny Liston hit harder than George Foreman.

[@blackdavidfrostnDesMoines]

Hall of Fame Heavyweight Champion Sonny Liston was a muscular 6′2″ powerhouse weighing 220 lbs of pure brick. He had iron in either fist and could put an opponent on the mat quickly with either. Sonny was the most ducked fighter of all time. Even Joe Frazier’s team refused to fight him. Liston in his prime was the real deal. He was a great fighter.

[@blackdavidfrostnDesMoines]

You white people should know the truth about Rocky, he was homosexual. Sorry if that hurts, but it shouldn't. He had to stay in the closet, it was just the way of the times. Today people like Rocky and me don't have to be embarrassed or feel ashamed. When I came out it was like taking a huge weight off of my shoulders. But don't wait like I did, I have a wife and kid that I would never had if I had not succumbed to the pressure of trying to act normal. I love Margot, but I'm not in love with her, and she understands, we stay together for our daughter. All three of us share the much of the same clothes, make-up, and interests. We're a pretty happy family.

[@Jabbing_Jack]

Little Marciano will always be one of my faves but I'm a realist that understands his limitations. Rocky's two best opponents were light heavyweights that simply moved up for the money because the division was completely void of any decent 200+lb 'Heavyweights'. Name ONE prime 200+lb 'Heavyweight' he fought? The answer is ""ZERO""

[@joedimaggio3687]

I have to agree with you.

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

In boxing, having an unbeaten record is considered a very significant achievement. Boxers with unbeaten records are highly regarded and seen as the best in the sport. Rocky Marciano's *"0"* meant everything. Without it he wouldn't be ranked top-20. Only *"ONE"* loss would have changed little Rocky's entire boxing legacy. Combined Wilder and Joshua only have 5 losses which is why they're being thrown under the bus. Wins and losses define a boxer. If Fury or Usyk attains a single loss their chances for top-10 will immediately vanish. Since so much emphasis is put on the perfect record and/or losses can someone please explain *why* Rocky's opponents CHARLES, WALCOTT, MOORE, SAVOLD, LOWRY, LAYNE, COCKELL, WILSON, SHKOR, WALLS, HENRI, SIMMONS, EATMAN, MUSCATO AND BESHORE *LOST ((411)) TIMES* AND THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE??? Charles Lost (25) times Walcott Lost (20) times Moore Lost (23) times Savold Lost (45) times Lowry Lost (68) times Layne Lost (17) times Cockell Lost (14) times Wilson Lost (27) times Shkor Lost (19) times Walls Lost (41) times Henri Lost (29) times Simmons (22) times Eatman (21) times Muscato (23) times Beshore (17) times *(and many more with double digit losses,, the list is too long)* WHY DIDN'T ALL MARCIANO OPPONENTS HAVE *""ZERO""* LOSSES IF THEY WERE SO GREAT??? if *"0"* is the only thing that matters then little Marciano's opponents were horrendous.. correct??? *It is worth noting that an unbeaten record does not mean that a boxer is the best, as there are many factors that can impact a fighter's record, such as the level of competition they have faced. There is no way to argue objectively that Marciano is the greatest. And that is due to not only his lackluster competition, but his wars against them.* *Can you imagine what Foreman in his prime would have done to little Charles and little Moore??? Is there anyone that Marciano beat that Ibeabuchi wouldn’t have beaten in a more convincing fashion??? If Foreman or Ibeabuchi fought Marciano the bookmakers would make Foreman and Ibeabuchi at least a -350 favorite.*

[@buddha7178]

Rocky was on pasta, not ped's

[@Aaron-fo1sy]

So athletes 20-60 years after the 1950s were bigger and had better training. Never knew. Thanks for the news flash.

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

One would think since Marciano was only 185 that he would at least have faster hands than the true Heavyweights right? But Maricano had the slowest hands I've ever seen on a boxer.

[@Jabbing_Jack]

Absolutelyyyy Rocky had heart. Just as Joe Frazier was all heart. But look what Big George did to Frazier's heart, bounced it up and down off the canvas like a basket🏀ball. Little Hearts can only take you so far in the land of Bigger Hearts.

[@Boxrec297]

You need help.

[@keithsymons5708]

He certainly does Marciano was the real deal

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Liston was out of boxing for almost two years between 1956 and 1958 while he was incarcerated again. So he was exiled during his best years when he was just starting to really shine. Most fighters enter their Prime in their late 20’s or early 30's - Sonny was just starting to learn his craft at that age! There is no official record of Sonny Liston's birth date. He was born on a sharecropper’s plot in Arkansas, a state which did not require mandatory birth certificates until 1965. According to his sister and recent research by Paul Gallender in 'Sonny Liston - The Real Story Behind the Ali-Liston Fights', Sonny was born in 1919, and was 44 when he fought Ali. His sister, who he was extremely close to, and who remembered his birth - he was much younger than she was - said, "Sonny was born the year after the Great (WW1) War." Which would have made him 44 when he fought Ali and 50 when he inflicted 338 stitches to Chuck Wepner's face. Meantime little Rocky embarrassingly 'up-n-QUIT' at only 31 years of age lmao. How "Pathetic"

[@Jabbing_Jack]

​@Bobby D WALCOTT LOSSES: 1. In 1930 Walcott was DISQUALIFIED-(loss) vs. KO Palmer. Walcott intentionally hit 159-pound Palmer in the back of his neck while he was draped over the ropes. *Where is the Heavyweights? In 1930 Marciano was "SEVEN" years old. 2. In 1931 163-pound Walcott lost by decision to 158-pound Carl Mays. *Is this the Heavyweight division? Marciano was "EIGHT" years old. 3. In 1933 Walcott lost by decision to 177-pound Henry Taylor. *Where is the Heavyweights? Marciano was "TEN" years old. 4. In 1936 Walcott was "KOd" by 191-pound Al Ettore. Marciano was "THIRTEEN" years old. 5. In 1936 Walcott lost by decision to 179-pound Billy Ketchell. *Where is the Heavyweights? Marciano was "THIRTEEN" years old. 6. In 1937 Walcott was"KOd" by 178-pound Tiger Jack Fox. *Where is the Heavyweights? Marciano was "FOURTEEN" years old. 7. In 1937 Walcott lost by decision to 174-pound George Brothers. *Where is the Heavyweight division? Marciano was "FOURTEEN" years old. 8. In 1938 Walcott lost by decision to 184-pound Tiger Jack Fox "Again". *Where is the Heavyweights? Marciano was "FIFTEEN" years old. 9. In 1938 Walcott lost by decision to 197-pound Roy Lazer. Marciano was "FIFTEEN" years old. 10. In 1940 Walcott was "KOd" AND "retired" for three years by 256-pound Abe Simon. Hey, a-real Super Heavyweight. Simon's best stuff was size and brute strength. Unfortunately he was a poor boxer with terrible defense. Abe retired in 1942. Marciano was "SEVENTEEN" years old. 11. In 1945 Walcott lost by decision to 204-pound Johnny Allen who had more losses than wins. Marciano was "TWENTY TWO" years old. 12. In 1946 Walcott lost by decision to 179-pound Joey Maxim. *Is this the Heavyweight division? Marciano was "TWENTY THREE" years old. 13. In 1946 Walcott lost by decision to 191-pound Elmer Ray. Marciano was "TWENTY THREE" years old. 14. In 1947 Walcott lost by decision to 212-pound Joe Louis. Marciano was "TWENTY FOUR" years old. 15. In 1948 Walcott was KOd by 213-pound Joe Louis. Louis barely got through the C-level cruiserweight Journeyman Walcott so he announced his retirement on March 1, 1949 because his once speedy reflexes were non-existent. Louis was completely washed and it showed. Marciano was "TWENTY FIVE" years old. 16. In 1949 Walcott lost by decision to 181-pound Ezzard Charles. This fight was for the ""vacant"" Heavyweight title. *Where is the Heavyweights? Marciano was "TWENTY SIX" years old. 17. In 1950 Walcott lost by decision to 192-pound Rex Layne. Marciano was "TWENTY SEVEN" years old. 18. In 1951 Walcott lost by decision to 185-pound Ezzard Charles. *Where is the Heavyweights? Marciano was "TWENTY EIGHT" years old. 19. In 1952 Walcott was KOd by 184-pound Rocky Marciano. *Where is the Heavyweights? Marciano was "TWENTY NINE" years old.. IT IS VIRTUALLY IMPRACTICAL THAT WALCOTT WAS IN HIS PRIME vs. MARCIANO BECAUSE IT IS SCIENTIFICALLY AND MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE!!!! AND JUST BECAUSE YOU SAY HE WAS PRIME DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE!!!! PUT WALCOTT AT (( 29 )) AND MARCIANO AT (( 38 )) WHAT HAPPENS?? 20. In 1953 Walcott was KOd by 184-pound Rocky Marciano. *Where is the Heavyweights? Marciano was "THIRTY" years old and Walcott was very close to "FORTY"!!!! ( It was advantages that Marciano started late because he was fresh while the others were already smashed around lik bowling pins for (15) years. Also little Rocky did have an extensive amateur career. His uncle hung a heavy bag in the back yard when he was only 10 years old, and he had years of daily sparing while he was in the military )

[@blackdavidfrostnDesMoines]

If 42 year old light heavyweight Moore and 38 year old cruiserweight Walcott could drop little white Rocky then the Tyson's, Foreman's, Klitschko's and Ibeabuchi's of the world woulda kilt him. How can a 185 pound man even be considered an ATG Super Heavyweight when he was barely cruiserweight?

[@Aaron-fo1sy]

Wasn’t Rocky having eye and back problems. Seems like he was the rare boxer smart enough to get himself beat into stupidity way past his prime.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

@@Aaron-fo1sy I agree. It's a shame Walcott Charles Moore and Louis continued to fight outside their prime. I agree, Little Rocky fought a bunch of has-beens.

[@Aaron-fo1sy]

@@Studentofsweetscience I’d take you seriously if it wasnt obvious your whole point was to be a condescending a hole. Calling him little Rocky says more about you than it does about him.

[@Jabbing_Jack]

"Even in his prime, Rocky Marciano had no chance with me. First thing, he is too little. Less than five foot ten to my six foot three inches. I’d overwhelm him. I’d lay on him in the clinches like a big old grizzly bear, and I’d smother his insides out. He was too small to reach me from out- side. I’d jab him twenty to one. Rocky had a face that cut easily. Can you imagine what my stinging jab would do to those weak eyes? How could he beat me? No way, is how." - Muhammad Ali

[@Jabbing_Jack]

Sonny Liston's arms were like tree trunks and his two 15 inch ham-handed fist were made for destruction. He was able to generate incredible bone breaking teeth shattering leverage with his 84" reach. Nobody goes toe to toe with Sonny, not even Big George. Liston would have KO'd little Rocky in 1-round.

[@blackDavid-n-mexicaliMargot]

Even if little white Marciano could have fought a prime Moore and a prime Charles he'd still be fightin light heavyweights who were both knocked out by middleweights Marshall and Booker. And even you wanna pretend they were in their primes the point is little white Marciano still struggled with light heavyweights.

[@Bronco_Billy_Jack_Hills]

In 1962 Ring Magazine polled 40 boxing experts on who was the greatest Heavyweight of all-time. These are historians who were actually there when he reigned as champion and Marciano's highest ranking was 7th place. The overwhelming majority rated him lower like Nat Fleischer had him at # 10, Charley Rose and McCallum's survey of old-timers rated him at # 9. All these people were born in the late 1800s and passed away in the 1960s and 70s. Little 184lb Marciano is regarded by many as the greatest Heavyweight ever, best of the best. The question is how does he stack up with the Mount Rushmore of Heavyweights?? I don't see how his status remotely moves up with the multitude of great Heavyweights that came after him. All the professionals, trainers, managers, experts and historians who actually saw Rocky Marciano fight during the 50s and 60s thoroughly examined his career yet they barely ranked him top-10 Heavyweight, of all-time. *I trust Nat's opinion before y'all's gibberish casual diatribe.* Genius Nat Fleischer (1887-1972) was the founder, president, publisher and editor of The Ring, a monthly magazine devoted to boxing and professional wrestling. Fleischer is called Mr. Boxing, or in the cant of masters of ceremony, "Mr. Boxing, himself," an introduction uniting man and legend. Fleischer’s story in many ways is the story of boxing. His experience is unlike that of anyone else from boxing’s past and certainly no one will ever be able to make his claims in the future. In 1958 Fleischer wrote, “I have been on intimate terms with every heavyweight champion since James J. Corbett. I have seen almost every heavyweight championship bout in the past half century, and most of those in other divisions that reach across a stretch of many exciting years.” Fleischer in fact saw every heavyweight champion from Jim Jeffries and Jack Johnson to Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier from ringside, most of those from the first row. Possibly no one else in history can make that claim. Fleischer’s unique perspective demands respect from those who are interested in the history of boxing. Nat tended to just report the fights as he saw it from ringside and did not editorialize too much. Nat was well known for his ability to break down and describe the styles of fighters and the action that took place in the ring. Here are some descriptions of fighters there is film on so we can compare what Nat said of them to what we know from the films. We can then know that what he said about fighters whom we have little film on is also accurate. Of Joe Louis he penned, in the April 1939 Ring, “He sails in, crashes his blows to the body and head, gives the opposition little chance to get set for a counter-attack and wards off blows with the cleverness of a Jack Johnson. Only Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey compare to Joe Louis of today in all around ability...No human body can take the punishment that Jolting Joe dishes out once he goes after his prey. That has been proved conclusively in his last few contests.” In the Mar. 1942 Ring, after Louis' destruction of the 6'6" 250 pound Buddy Baer, Nat Said that “Not even in the second fight with Max Schmeling did the Detroit Destroyer show as much as he did against Buddy. Joe had everything. He was magnificent. He was a whirlwind on attack, a master of defense, a terror with his devastating punches.” In evaluating Rocky Marciano he wrote December 1955 Ring, “Those who believe that he lacks the necessary qualifications for gaining a niche in the fistic hall of fame as one of the greatest heavyweights of all time won’t argue that as a puncher, he takes his place alongside such greats as Jeffries, Louis and Dempsey. They limit his qualifications for greatness to the category of “hitting power”, strength and durability all of which Rocky possesses to a high degree but which are *insufficient to gain for him a place among the greats of the past.”* “Despite his crudeness, he can move about the ring at a pretty fast gate and can toss more punches than any heavyweight of recent years. But misses more frequently than any champion I’ve ever seen.” *“He has faced very few real punchers during his career.* The two best, Walcott and Moore- both thirty-eight at the time-had Rocky on the canvas. *Joe Louis is not included* since when he met Rocky, the Brown Bomber had long since lost his once devastating punch.” Besides putting out the highly regarded Ring-Fleischer has published Nat Fleischer's Ring Record Book and Boxing Encyclopedia.The Ring Record Book is the most comprehensive of all annual reference sources on boxing. Mainly in the interests of boxing, Fleischer has made 37 trips to Europe and has gone around the world six times, furiously writing all the while. He has 20 passports. Discounting entertainers, Fleischer is the most widely known U.S. private citizen abroad. He is enshrined in the Helms Hall of Fame in Los Angeles. Fleischer has refereed and judged more than 1,000 fights. All told, Fleischer has published 57 books of history, biography and instruction on boxing. Fleischer has a 268,800-word "bibliography" of boxing. Counting his articles for The Ring and serials and pieces he dashes off in an hour or so for foreign publications, it has been estimated that Fleischer has written 40 million words in his lifetime.

[@Jabbing_Jack]

Cockell was a Brit who’d turned pro in 1946 at age 17, and by 1949 had matured into a light heavyweight. In reality, he was a fat light heavyweight who'd been knocked out 5 times by opponents far less imposing than Marciano. Cockell who now looked like the Pillsbury Doughboy decided a knife and fork could be his meal ticket to a Big-time payday vs. Marciano.

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

If 42 year old light heavyweight Moore and 38 year old cruiserweight Walcott could drop Marciano then the Tyson's, Foreman's, Klitschko's and Ibeabuchi's of the world woulda kilt him. How can a 185 pound man even be considered an ATG Super Heavyweight when he was barely cruiserweight?

[@williepep-fy7qm]

Bobby D Henry Cooper 185 almost knocked Ali out of Ali didn’t cheat

[@Aaron-fo1sy]

So athletes 20-50 years later are bigger faster and stronger than the ones that preceded them. I never would have guessed.

[@Jabbing_Jack]

Moore was born in 1913. Marciano was born in 1923. Light heavyweight Moore moved up in weight to fight Marciano at the age of 41. The fallacy that Moore, Walcott and Louis were all prime at 37, 38/39 and 41yrs of age is a misleading unsound argument and scientifically impossible.

[@adelhartreisig9020]

You mean Archie was 10 years older😂

[@brandonmattingly9392]

Yeah but Archie Moore started boxing at 15 and marciano started when he was 24

[@Jabbing_Jack]

@@brandonmattingly9392 Then Marciano had an advantage. Less wear and tear.

[@brandonmattingly9392]

@dirtyjew1974. yeah but he had significantly less experience and it's way harder to start late than early

[@adelhartreisig9020]

Look, it's time you ki... and ni..... stopped bitching, Rocky beat their bla.. as... and some Je.. and Guin... made made money.

[@Jabbing_Jack]

Society shouldn't care more about person X just because he was a good boxer. Little Marciano was no more important than everyday hard-working people. He only defended his cruiserweight title 6 times against 5 light heavyweights and 1 cruiserweight. That's it? What's the big deal? What's so great about that? For a world Heavyweight champion title holder it don't get any worse than that. And considering his opponents bodyweight it's downright embarrassing.

[@blackDavid-n-mexicaliMargot]

236 lb Ike Ibeabuchi holds the Heavyweight record for most punches ever thrown against David Tua. Super Heavyweight Ibeabuchi outworked and showed more heart than little Rocky was ever capable of. No Super Heavyweight of his generation possessed more ability. He was a prodigy. He had amazing power. He had fierce determination and he had no fear of anybody, he believed that nobody could beat him. Ike was a Super Heavyweight with serious power, great speed, chin of iron, a boxer and a brawler, freakish stamina, threw punches in bunches with KO written all over them, and had a ridiculous workrate. It's laughable to even to even think about little 188 lb Marciano vs. 245 lb Ibeabuchi. Ike woulda walked through little Rocky like a hot spoon going through butter.

[@Jabbing_Jack]

Marciano was beat by 177 pound Ted Lowry and was almost knocked out by him. Lowry could of knocked out Marciano when ever he choose too but held back. Marciano was knocked down by blown up middleweight Archie Moore with one punch. Even though Moore was past his prime and knocked out various times in his prime by guys in his own size. Including being blown away in 1 round by Leonard Morrow a average fighter. It took Marciano 9 or so odd rounds and numerous knock downs to finish him. Ezzard Charles was on a downward slide in his career. He was 2-2 in his previous 4 bouts before he fought Marciano and something like 10-14 in his bouts after Marciano. Charles was a natural 180 or so odd pound fighter yet he was a go the distance with Marciano in their first fight even though Walcott knocked him out with one punch years before. Jersey Joe Walcott was past his physical prime. I believe he was pusing 40. Had been fighting for 20 plus years by the time he fought Marciano. He was knocked out various times and lost to various fighters in his prime. Even poor or average fighters beat him and stopped him. Yet a washed up version was still able to floor Marciano and compleletly outbox him until he was stopped. Which is funny how Marciano fans act like stopping a washed up Walcott proves something when your chin gets worse with age and he was stopped easier in his prime. Joe Louis was a 190 to 200 pound guy in his prime. Known for his class chin and his lack of opponents. When your opponents are called the "bum of the month club" and you are fighting guys who were 3-3 in title fights then we have a problem. Louis was knocked out by Max Schemling a 180 to 90 pound fighter in his prime much easier than Marciano did a washed up version of Louis. Various other guys either hurt or knocked a prime verison of Joe down. Yet to this very day you Marciano fans who live in your fantasy world still believe he can beat a modern sized heavyweight. He never faced one. Which means he never beat on. But we do know he was almost knocked out by fighters his own size. Marciano has to be the most overrated, biggest joke in the history of boxing. But as I said I know what kind of fans he has and why they like him.

[@Bronco_Billy_Jack_Hills]

It wasn't until after Marciano's death in 1969 that his fame really started to grow. Don't get me wrong, he was extremely famous to the Italians on the upper east coast during his very short 7 year boxing career but that was about it. After his death is when all the exaggerated articles begin to appear. 1977 was when his first biography was written. Then it just grew and grew. But before that he was barely on the radar. All the boxing historians and professionals that actually saw him fight never ranked him higher than 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th place.

[@anthonymongelli5567]

WW2 VETERAN and only undefeated HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION , part of the greatest generation who came out of the Great Depression and then won WW2 a fame of Honor no one else can claim !!!

[@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez]

Marciano fans describe him as being *so fierce* that he practically *killed all 49* of his opponents in the ring. Y'all have these vids *saturated with so much exaggerated nonsense* that it's laughable. *Little Marciano was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god , because when he walked the earth shook.* If little Rocky was *so-powerful* why didn't he *ever break any bones???* He never broke *one rib,* *one nose,* *one eye-socket,* *one jaw* or *detached one retina.* Exactly *who's bones did he break???* Waiting,, Tic Toc Tic Toc... *""NOBODY""!!!! ""ZERO""!!!!* Roland LaStarza with all his supposed *"Broken Bones"* and *"Ruptured Blood Vessels"* only had to have *'minor'* surgery. Y'all act as if *both his arms were decapitated.* LaStarza simply had *miniscule bone-chips* removed from his elbow just like David Tua did after his fight with Ibeabuchi. *It is a common boxing injury because everyone blocks punches using their forearms and elbows.* Besides LaStarza said, *"I already had elbow problems before i even fought Marciano."* I have the *article.* When Roland left boxing he went on to a very lucrative TV acting career. Here's the newspaper article about Layne's tooth: *"Rex Layne lost a left upper tooth..the tooth broke at the gums when Marciano caught the Utahn in the mouth with a full right hand. Layne was taken immediately after the fight to a New York dentist to have the teeth X-rayed and also for treatment on a broken tooth." Layne's handlers said, "the tooth went out with the gumshield."* Rex only sustained *"ONE"* broken tooth! He fought Charles exactly 3 months later so what's the big deal??? *Folks break their teeth all the time skateboarding or slippin-n-fallin on the ice.* "He punched out almost every tooth in Rex Lyne's mouth and sent his gum guard into the crowd. It take massive power to do that. If Layne was 6'6 240+ it wouldn't of made any difference." -- *written by a-typical Marciano Fanboy 12 years ago.*

[@Studentofsweetscience]

--(Acute paranoid psychosis symptoms Marciano suffered)--@ '1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI

[@blackdavidfrostnDesMoines]

After little white Rocky abruptly 'Quit' boxing during his 'Prime' he immediately abandoned his family to sleep with thousands, then left them penniless. What a soab - Classy guy though.

[@keithsymons5708]

Your both a pair of nutcases good luck

[@raykincaid521]

The rock had respect everyone deserves respect at that level he said Noone better than anyone were all human not perfect on can hope for perfection. If you have hope your h

[@raykincaid521]

Half way there

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Foreman, probably the most formidable puncher in boxing history said that Liston is the only man he ever faced that made him back-up and revert to boxing. Much bigger, stronger sluggers like Liston, Foreman and Ibeabuchi would knock little Marciano into tomorrow before he could get close enough to land any shots of his own. Watch footage of Foreman destroying Frazier twice and Liston destroying Patterson twice. That’s exactly what would happen to little Marciano if he met a prime Liston!!!

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Since the 80s 'The Ring' always seems to have little Marciano ranked in the top-3. Yet I've seen other polls where he's not ranked in the top-10. Polls and rankings are only opinionated from folks just lik' us. Keep in mind that the 'The Ring' excludes *WEIGHT* as a factor from their results. For seven years little Marciano only averaged 184lbs. How the hell does a little 184lb man rank higher than dozens of genuine 200+lbs Heavyweights and 224+lbs Super Heavyweights?? Perfect example being 6' 7" 250 pound Vitali Klitschko who never hit the canvas and only lost twice due to torn rotator-cuff and severe cut. *Anybody who really understands boxing also understands rankings should always be taken with a grain of salt.* *I could EASILY list 30-top-notch Super Heavyweights from the 1990s to the 2020s who would obliterate tiny dwarfism-arms.*

[@albanyorganics3030]

Rocky picks up in the 2nd Walcott fight right where he left off in the 1st, in which he flattens Joe using a left feint followed up by the Suzie Q right for the KO. In the 2nd fight Marciano feints right/left before the right uppercut that knocks him down. The Rock solved the Walcott style in the first fight, and Joe retired after this one, realizing Marciano had his number. Once he found a way in he never forgot how. Rocky was devastation in rematches.

[@blackdavidfrost-n-margot727]

Little Marciano will always be one of my faves but I'm a realist that understands his limitations. Rocky's two best opponents were light heavyweights that simply moved up for the money because the division was completely void of any decent 200+lb 'Heavyweights'. Name ONE prime 200+lb 'Heavyweight' he fought? The answer is ""ZERO""

[@blackdavidfrost-n-margot727]

So Marciano threw 100 punches in a round? Lol give me a break. Number one Marciano only weighed 185. So even if he threw 100 punches in a round what would that prove? Why compare a light heavyweight punch numbers to a true-Heavyweight. Only sik-minded fanboys would even try to compare.

[@knockknock1246]

This level, that level. This angle, that angle. Marciano 😂 🥊 He knew his craft.

[@Jabbing_Jack]

Of the 61 fights that Clay/Ali fought 29 wouldn't be allowed nowadays as heavyweight because one or both opponents were below 200 lbs at the time of the bout. In other words they would run as cruiser fights (or below) and Klitschko wouldn't be allowed to stage them. Of the remaining 32 fights Ali lost 4. I am talking about being a cruiser AT THE TIME OF THE BOUT e.g. Ali vs Jimmy Robinson 177 lbs or Ali vs Alex Miteff (with Ali himself being 188 lbs). If one would additionally delete FORMER cruisers off Ali's record (= those boxers who boxed below 200 lbs at some point in their career) then Clay/Ali's record would be 13-1. Take for example Bob Foster vs Ali. Foster himself (56-7) is a non-bummy boxer. That's good. But a win against Foster is WORTHLESS for a heavyweight record comparison. Foster was 180 lbs at the time of the bout. Foster's worthiness in terms Heavyweight (as it is defined nowadays) is ZERO. Marciano was 184 lbs at the time of the bout. Marciano's worthiness in terms Heavyweight (as it is defined nowadays) is ZERO!!!

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Marciano could train 1000 years but prime Ali would still crush him. Since Marciano struggled with light heavyweight Charles who was a good boxer, but was smaller weaker and slower than Ali, what makes you think he'd do better against Ali?

[@mattcorcoran7082]

He’d struggle with Ali too. But he’d probably find a way to knock him out.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

🔥If anyone was a QUITTER it was Rocky. He-c-o-w-a-r-d-l-y-quit after a measly 7 years during his prime at only 31 while Liston was still fightin at 50. Little lowlife Marciano also "QUIT" on his own kid's and wife!

[@blackdavidfrostnDesMoines]

So Fury, Lewis, Vitali, and Foreman all would have lost if they fought the hyped-up tomato cans little Marciano fought? Give me a break. LaStarza, Savold, Cockell, and Matthews would be humiliated in the real Heavyweight world.

[@Jabbing_Jack]

​@Bobby D yer analogies have the IQ test score of a 3 year old.

[@keithsymons5708]

I think you need help good luck

[@Studentofsweetscience]

@@keithsymons5708 The Mob, Sleeping with Thousands of different People, Psychosis and other symptoms Marciano suffered. - *@ THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Aug 23, 1993*

[@Studentofsweetscience]

@@keithsymons5708 *@ THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Aug 23, 1993*

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Rocky Marciano said of Liston: “He isn't faking his toughness, and his strength is just something you got to see, and that jab, he can knock a man out with the jab!" When asked how he would have fought him, the Rock shook his head and said “I’d have done my best, but Lord God he is strong…”

[@blackdavidfrostnDesMoines]

Gypsy King Fury would keep little white Rocky at arm's length and force him back whenever he felt crowded. He'd jab, turn and bewilder him for as long as wanted, and if Fury felt so inclined, he'd walk him down Kronk style and smash out a stoppage. And none of this, "if he can't reach his head he'll go to the body", either. That's just bull****. Fury's lead would keep Marciano too far away as is. He ain't getting the opportunities to impose his workrate and definitely doesn't hit hard enough to stop him. Fury jabs him into oblivion. Heck, Fury can land 4 or 5 jabs a round and win the round. King Fury wins. Anyway he chooses.

[@blackdavidfrostnDesMoines]

You white people should know the truth about Rocky, he was homosexual. Sorry if that hurts, but it shouldn't. He had to stay in the closet, it was just the way of the times. Today people like Rocky and me don't have to be embarrassed or feel ashamed. When I came out it was like taking a huge weight off of my shoulders. But don't wait like I did, I have a wife and kid that I would never had if I had not succumbed to the pressure of trying to act normal. I love Margot, but I'm not in love with her, and she understands, we stay together for our daughter. All three of us share the much of the same clothes, make-up, and interests. We're a pretty happy family.

[@jamesnadell1998]

That shows you what a champion The Rock was. He gives credit where credit is due. O losses. Scoreboard, to quote Jim Rome.

[@chuckurso593]

@@blackdavidfrostnDesMoines What kind of garbage are you spewing. Marciano was a light heavyweight and in a different weight class. You cannot compare a different era like that. The Gypsy wins by being massive. He has little boxing skill and is as clumsy as they make them. Foreman, Norton, Frazier, Holmes, Holyfield, Lewis, the real Tyson, would have all eatin him for lunch and spit out his damn bones.

[@jamesnadell1998]

@@Studentofsweetscience You know the sport, clearly. I can't dispute one thing you say. I would say that Rock lasts longer than Floyd. He would get some shots in close, but he would absorb too much punishment. Even if he could I see Liston opening up cuts with his smashing jab and blows. I cannot disrespect Rocky though. 49-0.

[@margot9215]

MARCIANO HAD 49 FIGHTS, ALL VICTORIES! KO'D 90%! BEST EVER!

[@Bronco_Billy_Jack_Hills]

Consider that in the Dec. 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. Boxing historians Herb Goldman and Charley Rose rated Marciano at # 8, "Mr. Boxing, himself," Nat Fleischer rated him at # 10 and John McCallum's Survey of Old Timers (survey of a group of historians and writers) had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 7 all time Heavyweight and 68 years have passed since Rocky retired. *SO HOW EXACTLY DOES A LITTLE 184 POUND CRUISERWEIGHT WITH DWARFISM ARMS POSSIBLY GO FROM 7TH 8TH 9TH & 10th PLACE DURING THE 60s AND EARLY 70s TO TOP THREE (3) IN 2023???* *Bcus his ranking is now determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation.* That's why little 165lb Heavyweight champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of 240lb Riddick Bowe who only lost "one" time. How's it possible 185lb Marciano ranks higher than Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, Vitali, Bowe, Wladimir, Fury etcetera??? *Well now we all know why!!!* Somehow ranking bodies manage to *exclude WEIGHT from their metric* even though they *ACKNOWLEDGE SEVENTEEN (17) DIFFERENT "WEIGHT" CLASSES,,* imagine that. The computer only sees what it's programmed to see. Algorithms only see Marciano fought 4 Hall of Famers and went 49-0, it doesn't see Charles had ALS and 41yr old Moore was a light heavyweight moonlighting at Heavyweight. The algorithms cannot see 37yr old Louis was forced to come out of retirement and 39yr old Journeyman Walcott was given 6 attempts at the title bcus the division was so weak. *THAT'S WHY RANKINGS SHOULD ALWAYS BE LOOKED UPON WITH A GRAIN OF SALT!*

[@Terminator6364]

You wrote it yourself, "A LITTLE 184 POUND CRUISERWEIGHT WITH DWARFISM ARMS". Thats what impress us, he did something impossible, you can say whatever you want about Joe Louis, Walcott, Charles and Moore but he should not be available to win those fights but he did. And he did that fair, more then you can say about many of your favourites. Yes Marciano would lose against Klitschko and Fury because of science and society. But so would Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis and Mike Tyson as well.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Soft spoken Lennox Lewis at his best was the total package. When he fought seriously he was pretty much untouchable. The last undisputed Super Heavyweight champion emerged as cream of the crop against some of the biggest punchers in Heavyweight history. Lewis avenged his only two defeats by knockout. He didn't make excuses for his only two losses, he said, "It's Heavyweights, you can get caught, but i won the rematches in style," and "Show me a Heavyweight Champion without a loss and i'll show you a fighter that fought a lot of nobodies." Lewis haters always say, "but he got knocked out twice ha-ha." Well i say, "Mike Tyson got knocked out FIVE times ha-ha, and Ali lost his best 30 years of retirement from having his faculties traumatized for an entire decade. Watching his head used as catchers mitt 100,000 times was ha-ha. IT'S NOT HOW YOU START, IT'S HOW YOU FINISH." 57 year old Lennox is the GOAT. To hear him talk so clearly and eloquently after going up against 18 Heavyweight Champions is remarkable. The 18 HW Champions Lewis faced: Vitali Klitschko, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Shannon Briggs, Frank Bruno, Tony Tucker, Hasim Rahman, Oliver McCall, Mike Weaver, Henry Akinwande, Tommy Morrison and Ray Mercer were later recognized as WBO champions, British HW champion Gary Mason, European HW champion Jean Chanet, Commonwealth HW champion Derek Williams, Canada HW champion Razor Ruddock, IBF/WBF HW champion Michael Grant, and WBC International HW champion David Tua...*[[ technically not all were 'World' champions but champions nonetheless ]]. Other notable mentions; Olympic HW Silver medalist Riddick Bowe, Olympic HW Gold medalist Tyrell Briggs, Andrew Golota, Zeljko Mavrovic, Frans Botha and Phil Jackson. Name another Super Heavyweight with a better resume? Only person i can think of is Wladimir Klitschko. How many "prime" 200+lb HW Champions did 184 pound dwarfism-arms fight? ""ZERO""!!!! A small penguin actually has a longer wingspan than Rocky's 67" inch flyweight reach. Imagine penguin arms tryin to fight top-notch Super Heavyweights with 80" to 85" albatross wingspans and 40 to 90 pound weight advantages? 184 pounds give me a break.

[@THEDONSTR8Fightah76]

I don’t even like Ali, but I know Ali is the Greatest heavyweight of all time. If not, Cleveland Willaims is the Greatest next to Ali. Lennox was nothing compared to Williams.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

@@THEDONSTR8Fightah76 Soft spoken Lennox Lewis at his best was the total package. When he fought seriously he was pretty much untouchable. The last undisputed Super Heavyweight champion emerged as cream of the crop against some of the biggest punchers in Heavyweight history. Lewis avenged his only two defeats by knockout. He didn't make excuses for his only two losses, he said, "It's Heavyweights, you can get caught, but i won the rematches in style," and "Show me a Heavyweight Champion without a loss and i'll show you a fighter that fought a lot of nobodies." Lewis haters always say, "but he got knocked out twice ha-ha." Well i say, "Mike Tyson got knocked out FIVE times ha-ha, and Ali lost his best 30 years of retirement from having his faculties traumatized for an entire decade. Watching his head used as catchers mitt 100,000 times was ha-ha. IT'S NOT HOW YOU START IT'S HOW YOU FINISH." 57 year old Lennox is the GOAT. To hear him talk so clearly and eloquently after going up against 18 Heavyweight Champions is remarkable. *The 18 HW Champions Lewis faced: Vitali Klitschko, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Shannon Briggs, Frank Bruno, Tony Tucker, Hasim Rahman, Oliver McCall, Mike Weaver, Henry Akinwande, Tommy Morrison and Ray Mercer were later recognized as WBO champions, British HW champion Gary Mason, European HW champion Jean Chanet, Commonwealth HW champion Derek Williams, Canada HW champion Razor Ruddock, IBF/WBF HW champion Michael Grant, and WBC International HW champion David Tua...*[[ technically not all were 'World' champions but champions nonetheless ]].* Other notable mentions; *Olympic HW Silver medalist Riddick Bowe, Olympic HW Gold medalist Tyrell Briggs, Andrew Golota, Zeljko Mavrovic, Frans Botha and Phil Jackson* ..Name another Super Heavyweight with a better resume? Only person i can think of is Wladimir Klitschko. How many *"prime"* 200+lb HW Champions did 185-lb dwarfism-arms fight? *""ZERO""!!!!* Imagine little Marciano tryin to fight top-notch Super Heavyweights with 80" to 86" albatross wingspans and 40 to 90-lb weight advantages? Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles was definitely Marciano's toughest opponent and is the only person that took him 15 rounds even *with ALS!!!* *ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano @**35:01** Bert Sugar said, "His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50s, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* *People forget when they talk about the fights between Marciano and Ezzard Charles that Charles was showing symptoms of ALS. William Dettloff’s book Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 1951 - before he battled Rocky Marciano, Charles was already suffering from the symptoms of ALS, (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), also known as “Lou Gehrig’s disease.” It is notable when around the time Charles lost to Joe Walcott in 1951, Dettloff records that his family had noticed signs of what they would learn later was ALS.* *In summary:* Ray Arcel who loved Ezzard like a son, said, *"Charles had traces of ALS in 51."* Ezzard's own family members said, *"they noticed signs of ALS in 51."* Ezzard Charles (himself) said he, *"felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 51."* *Trying to deny the fact that Charles had weakness in his limbs (ALS) against Marciano in 1954 is not possible because the eye test does not lie. It happened and is well documented so it can never be swept under the carpet. That horrible Motor neurone gene presented itself in 1951 if not earlier. Ezzard Charles was only 53 when he passed - Rest easy champ.*

[@Bronco_Billy_Jack_Hills]

I quite enjoyed the 100 Greatest Heavyweight series, and it got me thinking about how nice a boost *"Time"* tends to give to a fighters ranking. 1962: In December 1962, a Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts had Jack Dempsey rated the #1 Heavyweight of all-time, with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano 7th. 1971: In 1971, Nat Fleischer, boxing's most famous historian and also editor and founder of Ring magazine , named Marciano as the all-time 10th greatest Heavyweight champion. 1998: Despite the intervening years producing the likes of Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Klitschko's et al.," in 1998, Ring magazine named Marciano as the 6th greatest Heavyweight champion ever. 2005: We float around to 2005, and in 2005, Marciano was named the 5th greatest Heavyweight of all-time by the International Boxing Research Organization. 2007: In 2007, Marciano was named the 4th greatest Heavyweight of all-time by ESPN behind (in order) Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Jack Johnson, and Jack Dempsey. 2023: We skip to the modern day, and somehow he's been bumped up to 3rd. Will he one day be greater than Ali??? It's easy to see little Rocky's progression. The key is understanding *why?* Despite his perfect record against the weakest 'Heavyweight' division of all-time, Marciano was never close to being rated towards the top throughout the 60s. So why did he climb from *10th* in 71, *6th* in 98, to *4th* in 07? Becus the greatest boxing historian whoever lived and founder of The Ring Mr. Boxing himself Nat Fleischer died in 72. They all started passing away including Rocky in 69. That's when his fame really started to grow. Don't get me wrong, little Rocky was extremely famous to Italians throughout the upper east coast but that was about it. *After his death is when all the sympathy articles begin to appear. Then it just grew and grew to the point where he could walk on water and beat every Super Heavyweight champion with ease. Little Rocky was so awesome that Don Turner said, "Marciano could KO both Klitschko brothers at the same time in the first round."* *Little Marciano was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god , because when he walked the earth shook.*

[@Terminator6364]

People dismisses him for the same reason others praises. His technique and physique does not impress, it should be impossible for him to be the heavyweight champion. "His opponents must be bad". When boxing fans debate who's the best, the most common thing is to bring up his record but the thing most people forget is HOW they won. Muhammad Ali is the most admired heaveyweight boxer of all time because he won against the odds against Liston and Foreman. All title-fights Rocky won was against the odds. He is the only champion to achive that, thats why younger generations like him even more.

[@Jabbing_Jack]

What a shame little Rocky had flyweight arm reach. 184 is barely cruiserweight. Never in the history of boxing has a 184-lb man beat an elite Super Heavyweight Champion. The tiny 50s are gone and little man syndrome has left the building. Adieu.

[@The_Hitcher_86]

*ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano @**35:01** Bert Sugar said, "His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50s, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* *People forget when they talk about the fights between Marciano and Ezzard Charles that Charles was showing symptoms of ALS. William Dettloff’s book Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 1951 - before he battled Rocky Marciano, Charles was already suffering from the symptoms of ALS, (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), also known as “Lou Gehrig’s disease.” It is notable when around the time Charles lost to Joe Walcott in 1951, Dettloff records that his family had noticed signs of what they would learn later was ALS.* *In summary:* Ray Arcel who loved Ezzard like a son, said, *"Charles had traces of ALS in 51."* Ezzard's own family members said, *"they noticed signs of ALS in 51."* Ezzard Charles (himself) said he, *"felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 51."* *Trying to deny the fact that Charles had weakness in his limbs (ALS) against Marciano in 1954 is not possible because the eye test does not lie. It happened and is well documented so it can never be swept under the carpet. That horrible Motor neurone gene presented itself in 1951 if not earlier. Ezzard Charles was only 53 when he passed - Rest easy champ.*

[@blackdavidfrost-n-margot727]

Out of all the boxers why is little Marciano the only-one that must be defended through Quotes??? Quote after Quote after endless Quotes. Cuz y'all can't defend him with-is resume!

[@blackdavidfrost-n-margot727]

Could you imagine 41 year old light heavyweight Archie Moore busting up King Fury and Big George Foreman or any of the great Super Heavyweights? Yet Marciano had all he could handle and was floored with one glancing shot from the light heavyweight grandfather.

[@blackDavidFrost-n-desmoines685]

Rocky fan-atic's describes him as being so fierce that he basically killed all 49 of his opponents in the ring. "Rocky almost killed Carmine Vingo," well Mancini 'killed' Kim, but nobody constantly brags about that like Rocky lovers do with Vingo. Y'all have these Marciano vids so saturated with ur exaggerated hyperbolic comments about Rocky's power and those 13 forced retirements, that it's laughable.

[@Boxrec297]

@black David Frost Come on out and show me your best attack. You know, stuff like "I'M WINNING!! I'M WINNING!!", or "REPORTED 1 MILLION TIMES, UNDER CHILD ABUSE!!". You know, some of your best stuff, shots that really cut to the bone.

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Could you imagine 41 year old light heavyweight Archie Moore busting up King Fury and Big George Foreman or any of the great Super Heavyweights? Yet Marciano had all he could handle and was floored with one glancing shot from the light heavyweight grandfather.

[@2serveand2protect]

@bobbyd1776 Don't you see WHOM are you talking to?? It's just a HATER! ...one freaking TROLL, with ZERO respect and OBSESSED in doing everything she can to diminish the legacy of one Great Fighter. Just look at the comments in this section and how many of them she POURS OUT - one more stupid than the other! - all of them just to try & diminish Maciano's legacy. She should have entered the Ring with him, since (apparently) today we're "all equal" and try to do her "best" with him. These people don't give a f*ck about respecting the legacy of a fighter praised by many other Great Fighters as a GREAT FIGHTER. No! She just pours whatever sh*t comes to mind... these people are LOSERS.

[@anthonymongelli5567]

Archie ( the old Mongoose was yet to fight his greatest fight ) in 1959 look at Grandpa fight Durrell and then you will see how great Rocky was it was the fight of the year .!

[@anthonymongelli5567]

You have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about seriously 🧐😳🇺🇸🫡🎯 !!!

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

@@anthonymongelli5567 Durrell was a 5' 9" career middleweight

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

@@anthonymongelli5567 fight of the year because there were so many knockdowns. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. These guys are wide open and exposed. Casuals always wonder why they never see these types of amateurish face-to-face brawlers today? These guys were toe-to-toe street fighters not boxers. I had no idea how bad boxing skills were back in the day. Modern Authentic Topnotch Super Heavyweights similar to 305 lb Miller, 285 lb Bakole, 285 lb Zhang, 285 lb Teremoana, 250 lb Kabayel, 250 lb Jalolov, 250 lb Parker, 240 lb Itauma, Usyk, Fury, Dubois, Ruiz etcetera would annihilate all these little light heavyweights within seconds and that's not debatable. Y'all Rocky fans are Moronic.

[@Jabbing_Jack]

I'm a huge Marciano fan but he was so lucky a young prime Sonny Liston wasn't around during the early 50s. Rocky will always be one of my favorite fighters but I'm a realist that understands his limitations. To think little dwarfism-arms could beat 'The Big Bear' is utterly ridiculous and complete nonsense.

[@blackDavid-n-mexicaliMargot]

If racial bigotry was not the order of the day. If white privilege was not the priority, if Rocky Marciano, did not have the complexion for the connection, especially given the fact he never fought ONE SINGLE Black fighter in his Prime, Rocky Marciano WOULD NOT have been heavyweight champion. And consider this: Deontay Wilder, with a 93% KO Record, is doing WAAAAY BETTER as a heavyweight, than Marciano in his day could ever hope to do. AND YET, the racist, most white people call him “a bum.” Imagine that! Rocky Marciano was a mediocre fight knocking out cherry picked mediocre bums to pad his record and satisfy the wishes of white supremacy. Since his retirement 62 years ago, NOT ONE SINGLE white American has won the heavy title...NONE!!! Gee, I wonder why????!

[@Jabbing_Jack]

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[@Jabbing_Jack]

Little Rocky's 184-lb punching power does not come close to a 245-lb to 275-lb Ibeabuchi, Lewis, Vitali, Foreman or Fury type of Heavier Weighted Power which effortlessly produces more torque and leverage. If one had to break-up a large boulder would he use an 8-oz ball peen hammer or an 8-lb sledgehammer??? SIZE MATTERS otherwise boxing wouldn't have 18 different weight classes. Featherweights would be fightin middleweights and cruisers would be fightin Super Heavies. There are no height divisions, age divisions or reach division, because weight at heavyweight boxing is one of the most important factor. Super Heavyweights are increasing because Eastern European fighters are now allowed to fight in USA since around 2000 (Hall of Fame Klitschko brothers dominated Heavyweight boxing for TWENTY years) and international travel is much easier compared to 30 40 50 years ago. Even a new Bridgerweight division between 200 and 224 lbs was recently added because too many 215 lb heavyweights complained. We'll never-ever see tiny-cruiserweights 181-lb Charles or 184-lb Marciano as Heavyweight Champions again! Boxing has evolved , *SIZE MATTERS LIKE IT OR NOT*

[@blackDavid-n-mexicaliMargot]

What about washed-up 40 year old Louis and nobody cares about washed-up light heavyweights Charles Moore and Walcott. Authentic Heavyweights King Fury Ibeabuchi Lewis Bowe Vitali Ali Holmes Foreman Witherspoon Thomas Weaver Dokes Grant Povetkin Whyte Ruiz Parker Ortiz Wilder Wladimir Tua Tyson would have OBLITERATED those tiny light heavyweights.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Muhammad Ali said in "The Greatest": "with George I had to let him hit me, with Sonny I had to keep him from hitting me!” Rocky Marciano said of Liston: “He isn't faking his toughness, and his strength is just something you got to see, and that jab, he can knock a man out with the jab!" When asked how he would have fought him, the Rock shook his head and said “I’d have done my best, but Lord God he is strong…” Joe Louis said in Gods of War: "It didn’t matter what stance Sonny fought from, he was the best I ever saw.” Nino Valdes, as he lay dying from cancer, drugged heavily with morphine, was asked by his family if it hurt, and said: “Not as bad as getting hit by Sonny Liston!" Sonny Liston v. Wayne Bethea Aug 1958 -- Referee stops the fight upon discovering many of Bethea's teeth in his mouthpiece. Bethea, a tough journeyman who had never been off his feet, said after being stopped by Liston: “He must have hit me with a horseshoe in his glove!" Liston hit Bethea and knocked out 7 of his teeth, broke 9 more for 16 lost teeth from one blow! Zora Folley, then #1 contender for the heavyweight title, said when Liston hit him: “The lights went out, when I woke up, I asked Sonny, what happened, and he said ‘I hit you." Jonathan Eig wrote of Sonny in Ali: A Life: “Liston does not merely defeat his opponents. He breaks them, shames them, haunts them, leaves them flinching from his punches in their dreams." "When Sonny was forced to throw the Ali rematch, his reputation and legacy went down with him. A predominantly white, racist media always feared and hated Liston, and were only too happy to humiliate him after that bout, and forget about him almost entirely after he died." -- author Paul Gallender The story of Liston winning the title from Patterson, memorizing a thank-you speech to deliver when he arrived back home (memorized because he couldn’t read) and then realizing nobody was waiting for him at the airport, and how crushed he was... fuckin' sad, man. Sonny was born into a family that couldn't afford for him to go to school, and when the family mule died, his mother and sisters claimed Sonny's father hitched his 9 year old son to the plow. Liston was a different breed; what a specimen.

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

236 lb Ike Ibeabuchi holds the Heavyweight record for most punches ever thrown against David Tua. Super Heavyweight Ibeabuchi outworked and showed more heart than little Rocky was ever capable of. No Super Heavyweight of his generation possessed more ability. He was a prodigy. He had amazing power. He had fierce determination and he had no fear of anybody, he believed that nobody could beat him. Ike was a Super Heavyweight with serious power, great speed, chin of iron, a boxer and a brawler, freakish stamina, threw punches in bunches with KO written all over them, and had a ridiculous workrate. It's laughable to even to even think about little 188 lb Marciano vs. 245 lb Ibeabuchi. Ike woulda walked through little Rocky like a hot spoon going through butter.

[@mariaorsic9763]

He was also a “nut case”. Sanity, ring intelligence, and character, are ALSO critical traits of champions. They are used in the ring! Ibeabuchi possessed NONE of these!

[@Studentofsweetscience]

​@@mariaorsic9763 When "The President" Nigerian Ike Ibeabuchi met "The Tuamanator" Samoan David Tua the Nigerian got out to an insanely fast start, throwing 91 punches in round one according to CompuBox, 91 again in round two, and 95 in round three, obscene numbers for a Heavyweight. By the final bell, Ibeabuchi and Tua had combined to throw 1,730 punches, breaking the Heavyweight record set by Ali vs Frazier III, when they combined for 1,591 punches - in 14 rounds, two rounds more than Ibeabuchi and Tua had to work with. Ike threw 975 punches, the most ever by a single Heavyweight. Both fighters had a brawling fight style, they were both 24 years old at the time of this epic "tribal" battle, and they were both undefeated going in to this fight. 226lb Tua's record stood at 27-0-0 23KO's while 236lb Ibeabuchi's record stood at 16-0-0 12KO's. This fight is the stuff that dreams were made of. Two warriors stood toe to toe and gave it their all, showing exceptional heart and endurance. I try my best to envision light heavyweights Charles and Moore fightin "The Tuamanator" and always end up laughing. And "The President" would have walked through cruiserweights Marciano and Walcott as if they were invisible. Marciano was the best during his little post war era three generations ago but he wouldn't be relevant against today's top-notch Super Heavyweights similar to undefeated 270lb Joyce, undefeated 263lb Makhmudov, undefeated 248lb Sanchez, undefeated 247lb Hrgovic, undefeated 245lb Anderson, and undefeated 275lb Fury just to name a few. And then there are so many other real-Heavyweights little Rocky couldn't handle similar to Ibeabuchi Lewis Bowe Vitali Ruddock Witherspoon Grant Bruno Holmes Ali Foreman Liston Tyson Tua Usyk Wladimir Ruiz Parker Ortiz Dokes Lyle Thomas Weaver Briggs Morrison Cooney and Wilder. I could "easily" list another 25.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

​@@mariaorsic9763 You don't have a clue what Ibeabuchi possessed

[@carlrball]

Here we go the usual critique.Never heard of Ike but who was he? Was he a champ? Marciano-49-0,185 lbs of perfect conditioned Italian American excellence.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

@@carlrball 44 Marciano opponents: We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using US school grades A, B, C, D, and F. Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs (F-level) Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs (F-level) Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs (F-level) John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs (F-level) Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs (F-level) Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs (F-level) Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs (F-level) James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs (F-level) Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs (F-level) Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs (F-level) Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs (F-level) Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs (F-level) Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs (F-level) Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs (F-level) Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs (F-level) Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs (D-level) Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs (F-level) Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs (F-level) Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs (F-level) Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs (F-level) Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs F-level) Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs F-level) Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs (F-level) Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs (F-level) Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs (F-level) Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs (F-level) Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs (F-level) Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs (D-level) Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs (D-level) Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs (D-level) Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs (F-level) Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs (D-level) Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less. Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less. Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less. Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less. Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see who he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less. Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents. Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck. Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-level resume. Problem is he was a natural middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight. Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion? Even Marciano's best 3 opponents Walcott-Charles-Moore lost (68) times and were KO'd (20) times. Marciano never faced an elite fighter in his prime. Name one, just one prime elite fighter Marciano beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Walcott Charles Moore were in their prime when they fought Marciano? *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0.. WAY TOO MANY HOMELESS WALK-IN D AND F-LEVEL BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR EASY $$$.. OR BEING FORCED TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET OF BOXING DURING THE 50s!!! EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM BECAUSE THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM.. THE DAY AFTER HE RETIRED HE IMMEDIATELY ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS.. CRY AND SCREAM ALL YA WANT BECAUSE IT CANNOT EVER SWEEP IT UNDER THE CARPET!!! IT WAS REAL AND VERY WELL DOCUMENTED SO STOP LIVING IN DENIAL

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

It's interesting how people who experienced watching Marciano in real time don't hold him in the same high regard as folks later on in spite the multitude of great fighters who came on the scene after he quit (Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Klitschko's, etc.). There's a lot of mythology with Marciano and a lot of selective memory about his career. He was brilliantly managed to preserve his undefeated record. But the reality is heart and determination can only get you so far when you're sorely lacking in the physical tools the other greats have. Americans love to glamorize the underdog who gets it done in spite of their limitation, just look at the success of Stallone and his Rocky movie franchise, the movie Rudy, Hoosiers, etc. It is also interesting how the same people who want to consider Rocky the greatest Heavyweight because he was undefeated are reluctant to consider Mayweather the greatest pound for pound. Why is that? It's just flat lazy to look at 49-0 and conclude that he must be the best ever. Based on that, then you MUST consider Floyd Mayweather the greatest pound for pound fighter of all-time since he's 50-0,, right?

[@beatlejim64]

This isn't me folks...someone else is using my name...and I found out who it is....I'll get him!

[@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez]

​@@beatlejim64 Cry louder. I can not hear you.

[@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez]

​@@beatlejim64 Rocky's numbers may not lie, *but numbers minus context can easily lead to distortion.* So let's examine those 13 opponents *(not in order)* that he supposedly *FORCED INTO RETIREMENT* instantaneously. #1) *Amateur* Lee Epperson - *0 wins 0 losses.* Shameful to even count this as "Forced-Retirement." *Retired from what??* He never even had a career. Epperson was probably *15 years old like Walcott and Moore were* when they first started. #2) *Amateur* Jimmy Weeks - *0 wins 0 losses.* Embarrassing to count this as "Forced-Retirement." *Probably another 15 year old.* #3) *Amateur* John Edwards - *1 win 1 loss.* Y'all gonna count this as *"Forced Retirement"* also??? #4) We factually know that ring-worn-n-washed Joe Louis only came back because the *IRS-FORCED him to.* As soon as IRS took Joe's purse for fightin Rocky he was *finally outta there for good!!!!* #5) Walcott only returned for Marciano-2 for another *easy $250K.* Walcott received the *lions share both fights.* Had Walcott continued fightin he would have only received a *fraction* of that. *$250K back then is $2.6 million today.* Little Rocky never "Forced-Retirement" upon Walcott,, he *"QUIT"!!!!* #6) Lee Savold age was 36 with *153 bouts.* His manager, *Bill Daily, asked referee Pete Tomasso to stop the uneven match at the end of the sixth round. "The will was there but not the body," said Daily. "I'm going to advise Lee to retire Tomorrow."* Lee didn't even throw a punch, he just stood there like a heavy punching bag. *Completely washed* Savold was only there for his last *Big-Paycheck!!!!* #7) 254-lb Humphrey *"The-Bum"* Jackson - *4 wins 2 losses* with 28% KO's *F-LEVEL* Jackson never beat a winning fighter. It only took *0:34** seconds* for Jackson to be KO'd in his first fight, and *1:28* in his last fight. The less said about *"The-Bum"* the better. #8) Jimmy Evans - *18 wins 8 losses* with 50% KO's *F-LEVEL* Evans fought *10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Evans weighed 178 lbs. *Too many light heavyweights.* #9) Harry Haft - *12 wins 8 losses* with 35% KO's *F-LEVEL* Harry was only 5' 9" 174 lbs. *Isn't this supposed to be the Heavyweight division???* #10) Gino Buonvino - *24 wins 15 losses* with *10%* KO's *F-LEVEL* Marciano fights Buonvino *"TWICE"* ..why??? #11) Eldridge Eatman - *22 wins 21 losses* with 22% KO's *F-LEVEL* Marciano fought Eatman who had just lost *8 of his last 9 fights* Rocky's handlers were afraid to put him in with anyone decent after coming so close to losing against LaStarza. *"'Eatman proved no opposition for Marciano,'" according to BoxRec and the Providence Journal, "'Marciano hit Eatman with a right in the 3rd round and Eatman went down, THOUGH IT DIDN'T APPEAR HE WAS HIT'"* ..Eatman's profession was *paddin records.* #12) Pete Louthis was 32-13-5 with 35% KO's *F-LEVEL* Pete fought *amateur* Willie James with a *0-0-0 debut* record only 2 fights before facing Marciano. Pete fought *10 amateurs with 0-0-0 debut* records. For Pete's sake he also fought another *20 opponents that had 10 or less fights.* #13) Carmine Vingo -- 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KO's looks okay until you see *ALL 16* wins came against *F-LEVEL* opponents. The Marciano Tapes #6 @3:40 Marciano confesses Carmine Vingo hit the back of his head on the plywood flooring. *He said, "it so happened that Vingo hit his head on the flooring, and it sent him unconscious. He was paralyzed a little bit in his fingers and hands. There was a change in the ruling, from then on padding was put on the ring of the flooring."* Rocky's manager Al Weill said the same thing in Marciano's biography 'Unbeaten', *"Vingo hit his head on the flooring, then he went unconscious."* So it was the plywood flooring that partially paralyzed Vingo, not Marciano's punch. It's no wonder *Vingo said, "I WAS SLAUGHTERED FOR A CROWD" --source: The Saturday Evening Post by Carmine Vingo as told by Seymour Shubin* After all this time i was *mislead* into believing that Vingo was this twenty year old superstar being prepped to become the next Heavyweight champ. Instead he was prepped for *SLAUGHTER JUST TO PLEASE A CROWD --Carmine Vingo* *IT APPEARS LITTLE ROCKY DID NOT FORCE-RETIRE ""ANY"" OF THESE BOXERS*

[@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez]

​@@beatlejim64 44 Marciano opponents: We see their *entire-CAREER* record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers *complete resume* gives a more *accurate* evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Professional boxers can *easily* be *evaluated* using US school grades *A, B, C, D, and F.* Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good *B-LEVEL* resume. Problem is *he was a natural middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion?* Even Marciano's *best 3 opponents Walcott-Charles-Moore lost (68) times and were KO'd (20) times.* Marciano never faced an elite fighter in his prime. *Name one, just one prime elite fighter Marciano beat?* Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. *Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Walcott Charles Moore were in their prime when they fought Marciano?* *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0 *WAY TOO MANY HOMELESS WALK-IN F-LEVEL BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR EASY $$$ OR BEING FORCED TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET OF BOXING DURING THE 1950s* *EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM BECAUSE THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM* *THEY DIDN'T LITERALLY CONTROL HIM BUT THEY DID TAKE 60% OF ALL HIS EARNINGS AND VERY CAREFULLY PADDED HIS RECORD AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE* The *entire* eastern seaboard was *Italian,* it was *all Italian.* Even the commissioner of boxing was Italian. Al Weill, Rocky's *mafioso manager* and *matchmaker* at the Garden *took* 50% and *all ticket sales* which pushed it closer to *60%.* Marciano had *no choice* but to *comply* or *no contract.* Enormous criminal empires had been built on the supply of illegal liquor during the Prohibition era. *Italian* Al Capone’s the most infamous among them. When prohibition came to an end in 1933, after more than a decade of lucrative and bloody endeavour for the Mob, *they needed* something *new.* Access to the machinery of *boxing,* a wilfully unfettered anarchy proved remarkably easy to acquire. *Boxing was now fertile ground for the Mafia.* *They controlled it all,* from the *trainers* and *managers* to the reporting *journalists,* with a combination of *intimidation* and financial backing ensuring *everybody* the mob *wanted* was under *their control.* *THE DAY AFTER RETIREMENT HE IMMEDIATELY ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS*

[@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez]

​@@beatlejim64 Too many Rocky fans *don't do a deep drive into examining his career. That magical 49-0 is the shiny coin so many can not see beyond.* LaStarza was one of Marciano's best opponents, he was 37-0. How many of y'all *actually studied the 37 guys LaStarza fought?* Well *here they are:* We see their *entire-CAREER* record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers *complete resume* gives a more *accurate* evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Professional boxers can *easily* be *evaluated* using US school grades *A, B, C, D, and F.* #37) Cesar Brion - 49 wins 11 losses with 36% KOs *C-LEVEL* looks okay until ya *see how many of his wins came against his fellow Argentinians* Walter Hafer - 22 wins 26 losses with 26% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jackie Lyons - 32 wins 24 losses with 23% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Carollo - 36 wins 17 losses with 16% KOs *D-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Weinberg - 44 wins 22 losses with 34% KOs *D-LEVEL* Gene Gosney - 14 wins 5 losses with 42% KOs *C-minus-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Mike Jacobs - 14 wins 16 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Mel McKinney - 8 wins 10 losses with 5% KOs *F-LEVEL* Teddy Georges - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Oscar Goode - 43 wins 23 losses with 20% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tony Gangemi - 21 wins 18 losses with 26% KOs *F-LEVEL* Benny Rusk - 20 wins 17 losses with 27% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred McManus - 18 wins 19 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Holloway - 2 wins 11 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Claude McClintock - 1 win 9 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Steve King - 21 wins 11 losses with 17% KOs *D to F-LEVEL* Jimmy White - 9 wins 17 losses with 11% KOs *F-LEVEL* Frankie Reed - 2 wins 14 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Mike Belluscio - 15 wins 10 losses with 37% KOs *F-LEVEL* Luther McMillan - 13 wins 19 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Ramsey - 8 wins 12 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Matt Mincy - 0 wins 11 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lorne McCarthy - 2 wins 11 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Matt Mincy - 0 wins 11 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Zeke Brown - 0 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jim Johnson - 3 wins 22 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Dodd - 8 wins 12 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Al Zappala - 20 wins 27 losses with 9% KOs *F-LEVEL* Zack Johnson - 3 wins 7 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Dave Glanton - 1 win 13 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* *Lewis Watson, the boxing writer and historian, speaks of the artificial puffing up of records against cherry picked competition, saying: “Unbeaten records are fairly padded; you have to look if there are any notable victories coming against first rate competition."* *"Promoters lookin for a way to get their prizefighters a big payoff will first invest thousands of dollars in padding his numbers against truly horrendous opponents. A guy who’s undefeated at 37-0, for example, might not be any better than a more seasoned boxer with a lousy record."* -- The Ring Magazine *THE WORST 37-0 EVER.* Roland was well protected and very carefully managed. There are so many names from his era conspicuously missing from his record. LaStarza's only claim to fame was having lost a close decision to Marciano. *End of story.* "His reputation was built on the first Rocky fight. Although he had a long winning streak at the beginning of his career, there are no tough names on his record. After the first Marciano fight he could have forced the issue by meeting top fighters. He refused fights with Charles, Moore, Clarence Henry, Bob Baker etc. Lost and avenged to overstuffed light heavy Dan Bucceroni and to light heavy Rocky Jones and looked terrible against Jones in the rematch. The Jones win and a victory over the faded Rex Layne gave him the credentials to meet Rocky for the title. A fight I am told Rocky was more intent on giving Roland a beating for all of the talk that he "was afraid" to meet LaStarza again. Look at LaStarza's record there are no names on it except for Marciano. I have the complete film of the Jones rematch and believe me LaStarza looked terrible. LaStarza NEVER fought a dangerous opponent except Marciano and thats a fact if you know any of the fighters from his era. I am not saying that LaStarza was a coward but he (or, excuse me, his management) refused matches with Henry, Charles, Baker, and Archie Moore. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much, saying he wouldn't take those matches because he "deserved" a rematch with Marciano and thought he was offered the other matches by the IBC only because they were trying to knock him out of "his rightful shot at Marciano." Boo Hoo Hoo. Real, confident fighters go out and prove they deserve their shot by beating dangerous fighters to force a showdown with a champion." -- *Chuck Hasson Boxing Historian and Philly Boxing Founder* LaStarza was coming off a loss and a win against 14-9-2 Rocky Jones. Layne had lost to the unrated 12-2 Willie James and a light heavyweight contender. The winner of this garbage gets a world title shot against a guy who already beat BOTH of them. *Heavyweight contenders today aren't rated at the top after they lose to unranked journeymen and light heavyweights.* *LaStarza vs. Layne (uploader William Walker)* reminds me of watching two midwest *club fighters* fightin a *4* rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. *Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill.* Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. *What an oaf.*

[@Studentofsweetscience]

🔥Paranoid psychoses, overly aggressive and violent behavior--(symptoms Marciano suffered)--@ '1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI

[@blackdavidfrostnDesMoines]

🔥If anyone was a QUITTER it was Rocky. He-c-o-w-a-r-d-l-y-quit after a measly 7 years during his prime at only 31 while Liston was still fightin at 50. Little lowlife Marciano also "QUIT" on his own kid's and wife!

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Marciano's style will play into Liston’s giant hands, as it will violate one of boxing’s holy grail rules and that is, “never slug with a bigger slugger.” Especially when that slugger’s name is Sonny Liston; simply put Liston does it all better than Marciano and also has height, weight and major reach advantage. I can see Liston’s jab being an even more formidable weapon than usual in this matchup, as he won’t have to go looking for Marciano. To put the concept of reach into perspective, you have Liston with a monster 84” reach compared to little Marciano’s 67” reach- this would be decisive. I would favour Liston in a big way. Rocky gets flattened faster than Floyd Patterson.

[@Bronco_Billy_Jack_Hills]

Regarding cherry picking quotes praising Marciano, you honestly don't think I could find twice as many narratives about the greatness of Ali, Louis, Foreman, Holmes, Lennox, Vitali, Tyson, Frazier, Wladimir, Holyfield, Fury or Ibeabuchi??? I don't have a problem if Marciano is your favorite fighter, but you're heading down a slippery slope if you're trying to make the case for him being the best "Heavyweight" ever especially considering he was barely a cruiserweight with flyweight arm reach. The reality is little Rocky's heart-n-determination can only get you so far when you're sorely lacking in the physical tools the other greats had. Americans love to glamorize the underdog who gets it done in spite of their limitation, just look at the success of Stallone and his Rocky movie franchise, the movie Rudy, Hoosiers, etc.

[@Jabbing_Jack]

Facts combined with simple basic boxing knowledge suggest wins for Fury Ibeabuchi Lewis Bowe Vitali Holmes Ali Wladimir Foreman Tyson Joyce Tua Usyk Holyfield Bruno Ruddock Witherspoon Whyte Parker Ruiz Ortiz Dokes Mercer Rahman Shavers Lyle Thomas Weaver Dokes Liston Morrison Grant Cooney Wilder, and twenty more over little 185 lb Marciano.

[@mattcorcoran7082]

Could all those guys beat Mike Tyson? Coz Rocky would have. He deserves more respect than you’re giving him. He’s in the top 5 heavyweights of all time, and you talking about him like he’s a little kid.

[@Jabbing_Jack]

​@@mattcorcoran7082 185 ain't no Heavyweight. Rocky Marciano was actually 5' 9" (1.75 meters), according to Marciano biographer John Cameron; his reach was 67 inches (1.70 meters)--incredibly short for Heavyweight; by way of comparison, today's Bantamweights (115-118 lbs) average 67.7 inch reach, longer than Rocky's. There is no question that Marciano was superbly conditioned by the standards of the day; however, at his fighting weight of 184-189lbs (roughly 83-86kg) during his title defences, he was not incredibly lean and he wasn't dehydrated; he was, in other words, a natural light heavyweight or very small cruiserweight by today's standards. "Walking around weight" isn't a useful metric for determining a boxer's ideal weight division or in-the-ring weight unless one knows--at the very least--the boxer's bodyfat percentage at his "walking around weight". Some boxers stay lean between fights, others get quite fat. Marciano always stayed lean. For 7 years his average weight was 184lbs. In other words Marciano never was nor could ever be a natural 200+lb Heavyweight.

[@Jabbing_Jack]

​@@mattcorcoran7082 little Rocky WOULDN'T BEAT A SINGLE ONE OF THOSE HEAVYWEIGHTS AND SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS listed above. Fact.

[@Jabbing_Jack]

​@@mattcorcoran7082 he only fought senior citizens and bums

[@peterbartolomeo5542]

Rocky was one in a million. Hardest puncher that ever lived according to legendary trainer Don Turner. Little in size ....5'10" 187 lbs. Shorter arms than Manny Pacquiao. Rocky trained 8 months straight for a fight. Insanity. No one ever trained so long. He had a 300 lb custom leather heavy bag made just for him. He hit you anyplace he could find your elbow your biceps your forearm you were in pain. By the third round if you lasted you couldn't lift your arms

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Even if Marciano could have fought a prime Moore and a prime Charles he'd still be fightin light heavyweights who were both knocked out by middleweights Marshall and Booker. And even you wanna pretend they were in their primes the point is little Marciano still struggled with light heavyweights.

[@Bronco_Billy_Jack_Hills]

When compared to other Heavyweight champions it's not difficult to defend ones title only 6 times over the course of 3 years. How many boxers remained unbeaten for a longer period? Many, among many others. Ali and Louis, two giants compared to Marciano, remained at the top respectively for 14 and 12 years, an eternity. The first even had to stand still for 3 years, an eternity for a boxer. Marciano quit early so he avoided being severely punished by a younger and stronger boxer as has always happened in the history of boxing. A fact more than certain if he had continued to fight for a few more years because he was a crude boxer and very predictable in his movements. A 186-lb man never taking a step backwards would have been fatal against genuine Heavyweights with real power.

[@Jabbing_Jack]

95% of little Marciano's opponents were of dubious quality with lousy records. And considering his has-been on the downward slide ATG opposition, and the fact that he "Quit" during his "Prime", his 49-0 really isn't that good. 🎖️🎖️🎖️🎖️🎖️🎖️🎖️🎖️🎖️🎖️ It was commonplace to have 70 fights like Louis and Walcott, or 121 like Charles, or even 219 fights like Moore had during the 30's, 40's and 50's time period. Little Rocky only had 49, which was actually kind of cowardly for that time period.

[@blackDavid-n-mexicaliMargot]

little white Marciano could train 1000 years but prime Ali would still crush him. Since Marciano struggled with light heavyweight Charles who was a good boxer, but was smaller weaker and slower than Ali, what makes you think he'd do better against Ali?

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Wow you read in a book that since Marciano trained hard that means he couldn't lose right? Marciano had a strong desire to win? So i guess Frazier wanted Foreman to kick his butt right? Because Frazier had no desire to win....they all wanted to lose. Only Marciano had a desire to win right?

[@TheBatugan77]

You think Frazier trained hard for Foreman? Get someone to do your thinking for you.

[@Jabbing_Jack]

Y'all Rocky fan's write a lot of interesting stuff but ya never address the actual issue of bodyweight so your “research” gets you no-where. Are you seriously suggesting Charles and Moore were anywhere near their natural fighting weight? *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion?*

[@blackDavid-n-mexicaliMargot]

People describes little white Marciano as being so ferocious that he basically killed all 49 of his opponents in the ring. Marciano vids are filled with fan boys exaggerated-hyperbole-comments about Rocky's power. But what people fails to tell everyone is that LaStarza (with all his "Broken Bones" and "Ruptured Blood Vessels") simply had minor surgery and was fightin exactly 6 months later. Layne only had 4 broken teeth and was fightin exactly 3 months later - Wiki. These are all normal boxing injuries. Notice how these Marciano lovers never wanna discuss his injuries? Like 2 confirmed nose surgeries, hundreds of stitches, chronic back pain and constant migraines cause his head was used like a Pinata constantly gettin smacked around, here, you hit me 5 times and I'll hit you back one time, Duh.

[@fightfannerd2078]

Rocky vs Ali would be awesome

[@IloveJimiHendrix2009]

Agreed. I'd go with Ali by UD.

[@loveboxinglucky1716]

Watch there movie fight its great!! Give you some inside how the fight between them could play out!! Its here on KZbin.

[@The_Hitcher_86]

​@@loveboxinglucky1716 It was a scripted fraudulent match. It gives no inside how their fight would have played out. Marchegiano was 45 then. He wouldn't have lasted 5 rounds against the GOAT

[@trainhardeatsleeprepeat189]

Rocky was only one ali said he would not know would he beat marciano. Ali had alot respect for rocky

[@The_Hitcher_86]

​@@trainhardeatsleeprepeat189 Ali was just being humble. How many times throughout Ali's career did he say, "I am The Greatest of All Time"? Hundreds if not thousands.

[@Jabbing_Jack]

Archie Moore was born December 13, 1913. LH champion Moore moved up in weight to fight Marciano at the age of 41. Imagine if Rocky was 41 and moved up in weight to fight 31yr old Archie? The fallacy that Moore, Walcott and Louis were all prime at 37, 38/39 and 41yrs of age is misleading and scientifically impossible.

[@carlrball]

It is constantly brought up how those men Moore, Walcott and especially Joe Louis were old when Rocky fought them, over and over again. Louis said Marciano was the best fighter of the century, Ali said Marciano might have beaten him.

[@SeagalTheHutt]

I bet you're one of those creepy floyd mayweather fanboys

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

So Marciano threw 100 punches in a round? Lol give me a break. Number one Marciano only weighed 185. So even if he threw 100 punches in a round what would that prove? Why compare a light heavyweight punch numbers to a true-Heavyweight. Only sik-minded fanboys would even try to compare.

[@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez]

Marciano's first fight vs. LaStarza was *officially called a draw* That is until the mafioso stepped in on Rocky's behalf. We do know factually that Ross and Eatman *Took-A-Dive* ..Was it for $$$ or were they forced to protect themselves and their families from the same folks that protected Marciano? *"'Amazing recovery by Eddie Ross after being KO'd by Rocky Marciano the previous day,"'* *(BoxRec)* ...in *less than 24 hours* 170 lb Eddie Ross also fought 160 lb Billy Sparks who had 6 wins 11 losses. *Ross fought 10 amateurs with 0-0-0 debut records.* Eldridge Eatman had 22 wins 20 losses with an abysmal 22% KO's. *"'Eatman proved no opposition for Marciano,'" according to BoxRec and the Providence Journal, "'Marciano hit Eatman with a right in the 3rd round and Eatman went down, THOUGH IT DIDN'T APPEAR HE WAS HIT'"* ..That's not all,, the last 9 fights Eatman had leading up to his fight with Marciano he went *1 win 8 losses.* *I understand throwing matches also happened before Rocky's time and after Rocky's time. But the 50s boxing era was the pinnacle for corruption and 100% monopolized. Padding records and taking dives didn't happen once a month, it was the daily norm. It factually happened and cannot ever be swept under the carpet.* *During National Prohibition of alcohol (20s & 30s) many Italian Kingpins similar to Al Capone were able to rack in $100 million each year thanks to the overwhelming business opportunity of illegal booze. The majority of extortion and loansharking gangs were Italian. Lucky Luciano, Johnny Torrio, Al Capone, Vito Genovese, John Gotti, Carlo Gambino, thousands of bosses, underbosses and soldiers, it was all Sicilian.* *Marciano was killed flying to Des Moines to pick up $35K from Lew Farrell, a mob underboss. The meeting place was Dowling Catholic High school. Lew Farrell's son Frankie, 22, also died with Marciano when they slammed into an oak tree. Mr. Greedy Infidel knowingly flew during severe weather with an amateur pilot.* *The day after he retired he abandoned his kids and wife to sleep with thousands. He also started his loansharking business--(psychosis and other symptoms he suffered)--@ 1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI*

[@floydpattersonii4996]

4:41 - the man standing to the right behind Walcott with his hands on his waist is trainer Dan Florio. I recognize him because he worked in my Father's corner. I would see him at my Father's training camp in upstate New York when my siblings and I would visit my Dad

[@Bronco_Billy_Jack_Hills]

John Durant, author of The Heavyweight Champions, wrote in 1971 (p. 123): "Critics do not rate Rocky with the great ones, like Jeffries, Johnson, Dempsey, Tunney and Louis. He never faced top fighters like they did. It was not Rocky's fault, of course, that there was a lack of talent when he was boxing." *So with all that being said how the heck does a little cruiserweight rank as the 3rd or 4th greatest Super Heavyweight of all-time??? B•••💩 that's how!*

[@BruceAChristie]

Fantastic presentation by very knowledgeable and entertaining guests. Thanks so much; loved it.

[@blackknight5339]

Joe Walcott was 37 years old when he fought Marciano and Archie Moore was 39. Joe Louis was also 37 years old when they fought. Fighters passed their primes.

[@Terminator6364]

Walcott was the undisputed heaveyweight champion, he got his title a year before fighting Marciano, so he was in his prime. Archie Moore had 5 title fights before he met Rocky and 6 after so he was right in his prime aswell. Joe Louis lost his title 1 year before his fight and had won 8 straight since he lost to Charles.

[@blackknight5339]

@Terminator6364 wait a minute! since when has a 37 year old fighter been considered in their prime? Your delusional

[@Terminator6364]

@@blackknight5339 It's difficult to be better then the champion of the world right? Jack Johnson defended his title until he was over 37. Willard was 38, Liston around 35. Lennox Lewis almost 38. Klitchko's around 40 and Osyk is 38 this year.

[@Bronco_Billy_Jack_Hills]

Rocky fans always use his "0" as their main argument to prop him up. I suggest you research Marciano's opponents, analyze their records, review who he beat. For example have you even bothered to look at the guys LaStarza beat and their records before fighting Marciano?