ESPN to Officially Expand Washington State, Oregon State Into the Big 12? | "There's a 99% Chance."

[@LockedOnBig12]

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[@ItsJon-g2o]

Arizona fan here, PLEASE PLEASE add OSU and WSU!!! They're a great fit, they bring great fans with a lot of passion! SO DO IT!!

[@edgarramos3015]

WSU is the 4th winningest football program in the PAC the last 8 years and been to 7 straight bowls, excluding COVID year.

[@zachmillang2903]

Cougs and Beavs are better than the average fan gives us credit for

[@STC987]

@@zachmillang2903 love watching both teams. Very fun and underrated.

[@BudFuddlacker]

WAZZU is a great school, and they go all in on Football. Unlike CAL & Stanford, they are a perfect fit for the BIG 12. They play exciting games, and have fans throughout the country. Everyone keeps mentioning how small Pullman is, but that’s just the campus….their fans are passionate and spread all over the Northwest and pull bigger TV ratings than a lot of the BIG 12 schools, especially in the Seattle/Portland media markets. They’re definitely a Power 5 Program

[@richardbarry4663]

Pullman might be small but the majority of our alum is from the Seattle area. WSU also has large branch campuses in larger cities such as Spokane, Vancouver and the Tri-Cities so it is very far reaching. There is more to WSU then people realize.

[@brandonmckee1643]

I live in Rocky Mountain region and I get a “Go Cougs” all the time. Especially when I am in Denver.

[@jacobecklund717]

Like half of the state (including Seattle) are WSU grads. It blows my mind that people see UW as the only school that covers the Seattle media market.

[@SteveBlakes]

Here again is my prediction. 2023 Pac-2 Season Beavers 12-0 Cougars 11-1 Viva Las Vegas...

[@prestonharris6275]

From a fan base and cultural perspective, WAZZU and OSU fit better in the BIG 12 than in the current PAC 12. Can't wait to watch these teams play this weekend--hope they put on a show!

[@richardbarrow4620]

I miss the old PAC 8. Among my earliest memories were watching those 8 teams play on Saturday TV wrapping up in the Rose Bowl.

[@BeautifuLakesStreamsBiologists]

second that thought!

[@abefrohammer3105]

Those 2 schools fit great in the Big12. They have great fan support and are blue collar schools befitting the origins of the Big12. Welcome from a CU fan.

[@amac701]

I hope OSU and WSU get in. The biggest travesty about this whole realignment process is that smu (Spending Money University) was able to buy their way into the ACC, while deserving teams like WSU and OSU got left out. Embarrassing for smu and it shows lack of integrity by the ACC. ACC is selling a membership.

[@shoafdude]

As a WSU alum, I wouldn't want us in the ACC. It's too far away and we can do better reforming the PAC-12 with Mountain West teams, which is our baseline default option at this point. After Clemson and FSU leave, the conference will be mid level at best. The bay area schools have acted stupidly, which is ironic for how smart they think they are. They've left WSU and OSU with the money from the PAC-12 and now the bay area schools get to travel to the East coast regularly, for a pittance share in TV revenue. They must be more worried about their programs than we are. Frankly they know their athletic programs are on trial and this is probably their last hurrah.

[@collinsezebuihe8408]

​Absolutely. Read Psalm 118: 22-24

[@zachmillang2903]

OSU/WSU is not responsible for the “arrogance” you are crying about. Go complain to USC, Oregon, Stanford, Cal. Those are the real culprits.

[@DavidM442]

Thinking a team that became a Power 5 only because their legislature said so should remain a Power team? That’s not arrogance?

[@zachmillang2903]

@@DavidM442 what are you talking about?

[@bartwilloughby2909]

It’s called envy .

[@killbaal4149]

What about OSU and WSU continual whining about having to go to the mountain conference? It’s insulting. Furthermore why did these programs put themselves so far into a financial hole over athletics? What they fear happening by dropping into the mountain is still going to happen albeit at a slower pace.

[@zachmillang2903]

@@killbaal4149 take a lap. OSU hasn’t put themselves in a hole financially. Don’t act high and mighty, any P5 team would not want to go to a G5 conference. It’s not that the MWC isn’t a good conference, it’s that the payout from the tv deal is so much less than the current deal which means we would have to cut teams and wouldn’t be able to retain coaches. Not to mention our best players transferring.

[@the_flushjackson]

Would love this as a Ducks fan! The Big 12 would be an insane conference at the end of the day.

[@blackwind6317]

Lol...big 12 only rank teams is tx and ou. They're both leaving. Big 12 is going split once the Big 10 and SEC start eating up the ACC and go after current Big 12 members.

[@STC987]

The fact they consistently lose to G5 schools already makes it an insane conference. It’s insane if they continue to classify the Big 12 as a power 4 conference going forward.

[@mrp4242]

@@blackwind6317Oregon State, WSU, Colorado and Utah are currently ranked and are incoming B12 members.

[@713BayouCity]

@@STC987 A few teams are having down years. I'm not worried.

[@CharlesFosterMalloy]

​​@@blackwind6317 "Big12 sucks but Big10 and SEC will go after Big12 teams" - you sound like a not so bright person. Youtub does let us use the more fitting m word or the i word anymore.

[@zachmillang2903]

Go Beavs… would love a chance in the Big 12 but seems unlikely to happen.

[@tazbo]

WVU Fan here, I would love to have trade OSU and WSU for ASU and Utah all day long

[@matthewsaiki6487]

ASU and Arizona*

[@nathancook3093]

No, we want Arizona. Screw Utah and their horrible fanbase@@matthewsaiki6487

[@DannyBoyle-tp5vg]

@@matthewsaiki6487 no he is correct, get rid of utah

[@mike111777]

FOX now controls the West Coast. ESPN needs some quality content for the late night time slot.

[@vernonsheldon-witter1225]

ESPN will already have U of A, ASU, Utah and BYU and Colorado, though I don't see Colorado being unhappy with their return.

[@SeoulCoug]

Drake! Wazzu fan here. I hope the Cougs and Beavs join the Big 12 simply because I dig your show! Great work!

[@uttermanbo]

Makes more sense than Stanford and Cal to the ACC. Those schools don't have the overinflated ego either. They'll be happy to have a seat at the table. You'll have the hateful eight, the grateful four, and the relieved six. Two years ago the Big 12 was left for dead. Nobody would have believed you would be the one taking in six schools from the PAC 12, a conference Bowlsby wanted a merger with to save his conference.

[@54raynor]

I don’t see why FOX would not also want this. Getting OSU and WSU in the Big 12 is the easiest way to avoid a legal discovery period that leads to a potential antitrust suit.

[@Summitclym]

Keep those skeletons in the closet.

[@haroldflashman4687]

Any anti-trust suit will take years making its way thru the courts. During that time no conference (or media network) will want to touch W/OSU with a 10ft pole. Plus it’s not a slam dunk, that W/OSU will win. Also, ESPN/Fox can afford to pay their lawyers, Will W/OSU be able to afford it the tens, maybe hundreds of millions it’ll cost in legal fees? The anti-trust argument (if indeed there is one) is a double edged sword which has as much of a chance to hurt W/OSU as help them.

[@CharlesFosterMalloy]

Absolutely

[@Stickfigureheals]

Fox doesn’t want to fund OSU and WSU but puts them on prime time this weekend lol

[@GrovasaurusRex]

Don’t see WSU and OSU going anywhere. Too much money on the hook if they prevail in court and control the conference.

[@jrod112278]

If those are two are added then you could go to 3 six teams pods: West: Arizona, Arizona State, BYU, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State Central: Baylor, Colorado, Houston, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech East: Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, UCF, West Virginia

[@HMbeav8404]

It’s perfect 🥹

[@johnrasmussen1190]

This makes too much sense

[@vernonsheldon-witter1225]

Sorry, You are deluded. Kansas, K-State nor Iowa State are making that trip. We have been to the mat with the Big 12 since 1994, even with the exodus of every rival we have had for 120 years. However, are not going to get stepped on and just do nothing. This is made all the more likely when you consider Kansas is the only current Big 12 team with multiple National Championships. More likely we see this. West: Uof A, ASU, Utah, BYU North: Colorado, K-State Kansas Iowa State. South: OSU, Baylor, Tech and TCU East: Houston, Cincy, WVU and UCF. If there is a university to take the fall, Houston would do far better. This will likely be the Big 12 census until we get a crack at ACC teams like Pitt and Louisville. We need no Pacific affiliates. You are asking for trouble we do not need. I appreciate that the new Pac fans would not want to leave OSU/WSU behind, but this is what you all bargained for. We didn't ask the PAC to fall apart or play suicide with a loaded pistol either. We need to watch out for our Eastern Schools. They are valuable as well.

[@jrod112278]

@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 1. I said IF they are added not when. I'm not predicting OR ST and WA ST are joining the Big 12. I was simply stating how it could look if they did. There's no need for insults. 2. Kansas is not the only current (or future) Big 12 team with multiple national championships: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_12_Conference#National_team_titles_by_institution 3. As for your pod system, I could definitely see that happening. I could also see: West: AZ, ASU, BYU, Utah. South: Baylor, Houston, TCU, Texas Tech. Central: Colorado, KU, KSU, OSU. East: Cincy, ISU, UCF, WVU. Regardless of how it shakes out, the eastern side of the conference will be a problem because it's very spread out. If we could add ACC teams down the line, that would be a tremendous help. (FYI I'm an OK ST fan)

[@54raynor]

There is actually a very good reason for this to happen for next season: it would mean the PAC-12 assets could be divided up equally and without drama between all 12 schools. It would be far more likely for the four corner schools to accept the move if they are getting a seven-figure payout as a result.

[@haroldflashman4687]

Or the matter could be tied up in the courts for years. During which time no conference will want to risk adding W/OSU.

[@54raynor]

@@haroldflashman4687 if WSU and OSU are added quickly, there would be no reason for any court cases on their side.

[@davidgilbert7789]

It says in the PAC12 bylaws, that when a program commits to leaving the PAC 12, they are immediately removed from the Board, and have no voting rights. That is why OSU and WSU won a restraining order in court last week to keep the other ten schools from voting to divide up the assets. Only WSU and OSU have voting rights now.

[@haroldflashman4687]

@@54raynor WSU/OSU are the ones that'll have to commit tens, maybe hundreds of millions in legal fees as the case makes its way thru the courts. ESPN/FOX can afford the expense (particularly as its a tax write off), can the 2 unis afford it? Particularly since during the time no conference or media network will want to touch either school. Plus there is no guarantee that the 2 schools will win! Its not a slam dunk case. The fact is that the 2 unis have a lot to loose if they take the networks to court. Its not a case of simply shaking down the networks and demanding they find a P4 home for both schools, or else? That or else is a very weak threat, and the networks know it!

[@haroldflashman4687]

@@davidgilbert7789 sure and both schools can use the rights to make decisions that will leave the departing schools high and dry. That is a strategy that is certainly worth considering. But here is a thought. Conference realignment will happen a lot more often now, maybe every 10 years or so. So in the not too distant future, the 2 unis could well find themselves in a position requiring support of the departing Pac schools to enter a power conference. Do the 2 unis really want to destroy any hope of getting this support? Because playing unreasonable hardball now, will guarantee that both schools lose support for any future moves.

[@jgneolardo8875]

7:28 Quantity is a law of diminishing returns in conference realignment, depending on the schools added, and the Big 12 is at the peak of its Bell Curve, for now. Adding more schools does not necessarily equate to a stronger conference. Adding the Beaves and Wazzu pushes the Big 12 down the curve. 1 recently good season from either school does not materially, positively impact their brand unless it's a Natty. A brand takes decades to build. Their football and basketball teams have not consistently finished near the top of their conference. Moreover, Wazzu is having obvious financial troubles right now. It is *not* the Big 12's responsibility to bail these schools out, but I too think these schools will be added, unfortunately.

[@CharlesFosterMalloy]

But the diminishing returns isn't reached yet, AND, that's why there is a battle for the bottom of those schools that will come in above the diminishing returns cut-off... using your own logic against you here, and rightfully so. You are right but you are wrong at the sane time. The problem is choosing wisely. Big12 will go to 30 or 32 members eventually in order to compete with SEC & Big10. ACC may do so as well, or else fold. Big12 has a head start on the ACC and may inherit some quality ACC schools to finish off Big12's 30 or 32, but until then, Bug12 goes to 24 or 25, mostlikely 25, with 5 PODs of 5 or 6 PODs of 4 each.

[@BronnyJamesBricks]

None of those SEC schools that Deion could go to, would ever give Deion anywhere the power or control Colorado gives him, not a underrated stumbling block to Deion leaving. Mafia is wrong, plus no other team has uniforms that are as 🔥 Colorado does, plus Deion loves Cowboy hats. Deion has carte blanche in Colorado, and Deion won't move for a few million dollars because he makes way more than that in endorsements. Deion does things his way, Colorado's 2024 recruiting class will tell a lot.

[@Teancum44]

I like your thinking. I, too, hope Deion stays at Colorado.

[@ramspencer5492]

Lol. It's doubtful he'll stay all that long. He is probably going to want a change.

[@BronnyJamesBricks]

@@ramspencer5492 Deion wants absolute power & control to do whatever he wants, other than Nick Saban, Dabo Swinney or Kirby Smart, there aren't many coaches that have that, if Colorado lets Deion run things & do whatever he wants, he would stay a lot longer than most people think. Plus Deion in the black cowboy hat, and their uniforms are totally Deion with the black & white & gold, Colorado uniforms have the most swagger on any D1 school. If they give Deion a massive contract (15+ million/year, with a huge buyout) & carte blanche over the football program.......

[@davidtemple2831]

The B12 has sights on Pitt, Louisville, Duke. Where does Florida St land? B10 does not want them. Florida will not let them into the SEC. Yes WSU and OSU make sense. Like both schools, especially OSU.

[@Nunalij24]

Florida has as much say as Texas A&M….. B10 would love Florida Sate and Clemson

[@STC987]

Big 10 doesn’t want Florida State? LMFAO 🤣 Where the hell are you getting this information from? You think FSU would go from the ACC to the Big 12 and at best make the same money?

[@TheLAGopher]

The B1G will take Florida State in a minute once the GOR issue is resolved. Florida State and North Carolina are prime targets.

[@amac701]

Florida won't let them in? You mean like A&M wouldn't let Texas into the SEC, or USC wouldn't allow Oregon and Washington into the big? If sanky wants them, it will happen.

[@vernonsheldon-witter1225]

@@STC987They do not academically qualify for Big 10 membership nor are they likely to for quite a number of years.

[@Yakitak]

I like both schools, especially Oregon State. However, let’s think like Yormark and consider: “What additive value would these two schools bring to the Big XII?” In the next contract, would they dilute the money for the 16 schools?

[@Sctmpsn]

WSU and OSU would add late night Saturday BIG12 exposure, their games are fun and entertaining, popular on Fox, and WSU has been to bowl games in 7 of the 8 seasons, contributing consistent additional revenues.

[@ramspencer5492]

They'd bring more legitimacy. A bigger shot at getting teams into the playoffs. You're going to be competing with two super conferences with the B1G and the expanding SEC...

[@jacobecklund717]

They add the seattle and portland media markets. People think of WSU and OSU as small college towns, which is true. However most of the students at both schools are from the larger metro areas in the two states. Half of Washington (including Seattle) and half of OSU (including Portland) went to WSU or OSU, respectively.

[@Yakitak]

I think these schools bring strong fans and are a great cultural fit in the Big XII. My concern is that the Big XII is trying to raise the revenue per school payout. My concern is that expanding to 18 teams with WSU and OSU may decrease the revenue per school metric.

[@vincesmith2499]

The 1984 Supreme Court antitrust decision is totally to blame for all this conference swapping.

[@jrod112278]

If I could thumbs up your comment 1000 times I would. I'm always glad when people point this out.

[@stevenhill5829]

If Deion likes Boulder and coaching at Colorado, he'll get the 5 star players he needs and have that program at top of Big Xii (if not nationally) every year. If he'd rather live/coach somewhere else, those players will follow him to wherever he goes. He says he's not interested in NFL.

[@DocSkirv]

Deion will either be wildly successful at Colorado, or he will flame out completely. Either way he is gone by 2025.

[@Number4lead]

​@@DocSkirvI'm guessing th latter. He is overhyped as it is and the honeymoon is going to end real soon. It almost ended with Colorado state.

[@ramspencer5492]

Every year? Wait and see. He's probably just sticking around for 2 to 5 years anyway. New goals are going to appeal.... Maybe not pro ball anytime soon. But there's a lot of new experiences he can go after. There's a lot of programs that we're going to be very successful

[@Yakitak]

Is there any official statement from ESPN or the Big XII to substantiate the title of this video? I’m hearing conjecture and shallow reasoning.

[@aBrewster29]

Not opposed to those schools at all, but I’ll believe it when I see it. The brands are just so far below the Big 12 median that I have a hard time seeing them as being additive. By 5-year average attendance they’d be #14 and #17 in an 18-team Big 12.

[@matthewsaiki6487]

by Big 12 ratings, theyd be top 5

[@aBrewster29]

@@matthewsaiki6487 what’s the specific metric? Thx

[@vernonsheldon-witter1225]

@@matthewsaiki6487 This year they might be. But over the long haul, how often has this happened? Not often enough to risk losing core members. We need to think about a future where all of us are represented. Not just the Western Affiliates.

[@THEeyepatch11]

For all the Ute fans that @Drake says that are disparaging the Big XII... I call it the Team Down South Effect, for all the shit they talked for the past 12 seasons against the Pac-12. You have no clue what a delusional and toxic fanbase you brought in with BYU. As far as name brand goes for the doofus in the Y hat, Utah never claims to be a brand name but what they do is win. If Texas Tech and BYU want to sell tshirts and merch because of their name brand, be my guest. Utah just stays consistent and they don't mind flying under-the-radar. I'll take the end of season rankings, national respect and NY6 bowl games over being a name brand, unranked and playing in the Deez-Nuts pre-Christmas Bowl games those teams play in. Facts don't lie. Baylor sucks? Nice... #25 Florida doesn't. Hilarious.

[@maccleezy801]

The smear Utah campaign is still pretty big in these parts with some of the BYU fans. Idk why Drake has been in bed with them for so long. It’s really been an interesting dynamic bc most of us have been nothing but respectful to the other B12 fan bases.

[@JoKeer80]

BIG 21, hear me out. Three 7 team divisions, East, West, Central. Play 6 division games and 2 from each other division. And Deion leaving for NFL is crazy talk and he doesn’t need the SEC to recruit. He’s not going anywhere.

[@NoIwont]

How many land grant schools are in the conference? Asking for a Pac2 friend

[@samsnyder4433]

East coast expansion needs to happen first….Washington state and Oregon State are certainly welcome but our east coast teams are in need of balance

[@MountainDewComacho494]

I always thought that all teams in the NCAA should just join the Big12 and get all the consolidation over with.

[@CiviTac]

I think the super conferences are going to push NCAA out of college sports in the next 5 years.

[@tylernelson3343]

If Drake reading this post. He needs to do update video on this. I was watching The Monty show today.The hosts call out Drake for giving out wrong information and spreading misinformation about Big 12 expansion.

[@acheu1ean]

Please stop judging everything at Colorado by the window dressing, there is more to this than money - No one in Boulder thinks Colorado can or wants to replace replace Texas, Texas sucks (the school not the state, though an argument can be made...but that's a discussion for another day). On promises - actually, Dion DID make several promises when he arrived in Boulder, none of which allude to leaving in one or two years. - 1) was win a championship. Additionally, everyone who pretends knowledge of CU and Coach Prime, seem to love to lump Coach Prime with every other coach in football. Do your homework before sprouting crap. If money was the issue, he would never have come to Colorado in the first place, other several P5 schools offered a lot more. Coach Prime as much as said the money IS NOT why he coaches or came to Colorado, he already has his bag. SO anyone who can simply pay more is kicked to the curb. If and when Coach Prime leaves it will likely be somewhere closer to home and a place that he feels he is needed, again money is not likely to be the driving force. On Coach Prime to the NFL, he gave a very lucid and logical reason for not wanting to coach in the NFL in his interview with Joel Klatt (and again shut the f...up about the money already NOT A DRIVING FORCE FOR COACH PRIME - HE HAS HIS BAG!!!!!, HE SAID SO). Finally, Coach Prime's faith is everything to him, not a guy to make promises he does not intend to keep. That all said, no one in Boulder thinks Dion's tombstone is in Boulder. However, there is no reason to believe that he is not truthful about loving the school, the city, and the area. The common belief around Boulder is Dion will be here about 4-6 years, he will right the ship and get it in a place to be relevant again. After which, when that "Dream Job", which only Dion would know rolls around, he likely won't be leaving just to leave for money OR because it is in the SEC, see comment above about being needed. On a side note - f... the SEC. Several schools in the SEC and ACC had a chance to get him and they f...d up. Coach Prime DOES keep receipts and loves to let those who did not have faith in him learn the hard way that they f...d up, (my words not his). Any school that wants Dion is going to have to give him the keys to the house and the Porsche to do the job as he wants to do it. He will still likely get paid well, but it is unlikely to be the driving force for if/when he leaves Boulder. Again, before talking out your ass, please do some homework so you can at least pretend to have actual knowledge about what's happening in Boulder. We comin....to the Big 12!

[@KevinMichaelMichael]

Go Beavs!

[@vernonsheldon-witter1225]

To the MWC.

[@ryonadams7501]

I’d like to believe that the remaining PAC-2 are coming out way. But I haven’t heard it from McMurphy or any of the other top talking heads.

[@josephterrell2835]

Still think there is near 0% chance of this happening but will give plenty of kudos if I am wrong. Yormark has been pretty clear the Big 12 is done.

[@haroldflashman4687]

Unless expansion with W/OSU results in additional money for the Big 12 members, it doesn’t make sense to add those programs.

[@FelixChavez-cd9tf]

I sure hope Oregon State & Washington State do join the Big 12! Then I hope the Big 12 changes its name (without using a number) so all schools are represented. Continuing to call itself the Big 12 is really stupid!

[@NiceHandTick]

So you demand the Big10 to change?

[@mrp4242]

The “Big X”, where “X” is a variable number.

[@TheLAGopher]

@@NiceHandTick The B1G is selling it's tradition and legacy. Even the 4 teams from the Pac joining it will add to that due to their Rose Bowl history with the B1G. Big 12 isn't selling that. It's selling that it is new and fresh and forward leaning. So why not try to adopt an identity that is totally seperate from the B1G.

[@FelixChavez-cd9tf]

Any conference with a number in its name should update its name as needed to include the Big Ten

[@mikeyfightz]

BRING US HOME GO BEAVS. GO COUGS.

[@CharlesFosterMalloy]

What about: 3 PODs of 4 each in the west and 3 PODs of 4 each in the Cebtral+Eastern regions ? That way, you have balance, somewhat, and you get to add the remaining 7 best programs out west plus UConn: 1. UConn 2. Oregon St 3. Washington St 4. SDSU 5. Fresno 6. Colorado St 7. Boise St 8. Either: AF or Utah St (both of which have great media viewership numbers, comparatively speaking). I'm guessing the 12th school would be AF so that Big12 could later add the other 2 Service Academies that have P5/P4 media viewership numbers (Army & Navy).

[@lastpme]

Unless ESPN and Fox Sports is willing to pay for this expansion I would leave this alone since I don’t think it will not increase the value of the conference.

[@joshleyva2249]

I wouldn't mind having OSU and Wazzu in the Big 12 if the networks can make it work. Culturally I think they'd be a great fit.

[@119Agent]

Florida State is a public university.

[@vernonsheldon-witter1225]

That is so but they are not AAU material nor are they likely to be anytime soon. So no Big 10. Florida and SC would throw cat fits rather than see FSU or Clemson in the SEC. The SEC does not run on drama.

[@willnelson1931]

What is the upside to the Big XII to bring in the PAC leftovers? You are turning the conference into a PAC conference. If you bring in WSU/Osu than you should boot WVU, Cincy, and UCF to become the conference west of the Mississippi.

[@maccleezy801]

So by your theory the B12 is a glorified AAC with no PAC teams ok all that makes sense. Smh

[@Tobyoneal64]

Would love to see them get in.

[@JoKeer80]

The Mafia dude sounds like the boomers I was arguing with last year saying Deion can’t be successful in FBS let alone year one. Wake up dude, he wants all Star teams in a confrence he can dominate, located in a place he can take kids out of poor neighborhoods. Check and check for Colorado. He isn’t going anywhere. Have you been to Colorado, no one wants to leave, it’s fantastic.

[@maccleezy801]

He literally talks about BYU being on the same level of ND (in the past he has said that) and that BYU is the biggest brand west of the Mississippi besides USC. Yeah he’s an interesting guy and BYU homer. Drake is as well so that’s why they bring him on locked on B12 or should we say locked on Baylor/BYU bc that’s really what this pod is now

[@JoKeer80]

@@maccleezy801 Funny he thinks Prime cares about money.

[@danhauser3361]

Simple….current members don’t want to put up ‘their’ money for OSU/WSU……makes sense…..ESPN and the schools need to subsidize this themselves…ie put up or shut up…B12 can just wait it out..see what the results are for the ACC scramble….only SEC has room…over 20 is too much….10 team divisions with 5 team pods is the way to go!… allows for 3 non-conference games…and a Conference Championship game before the Bowls/Playoff.

[@Ashotjan]

These are actual cultural fits as far as I understand. Unlike the woke mafia at Stanford and Cal that people kept clamoring for.

[@leebercot3499]

Woke mafia? You crazy!

[@jamorantsgun]

why are you bringing politics into college football you trumper.

[@Ashotjan]

@@jamorantsgun the big 12 stated that they want cultural fits. That's why, pedo supporter.

[@MarkMclaughlin-qm8kq]

if espn will pay for Washington state and Oregon state let them into big 12. I would even try to figure out a way to bring them in without ESPN money . The big 12 has to be careful in the future if sec expands west goodbye texas tech and Oklahoma state. The b1g could pluck BYU and utah then u got the acc who could take some teams. The ACC and big 12 are not safe conferences i believe the b1g is greatest threat to both conferences the sec is a regional conference which is smart.

[@PCSPounder]

I heard a big “train hits the brakes and causes a loud screech on the tracks” noise when you suggested b12 eating more media payout. Doing that plus substantial travel cost increase means you’re putting your conference in a worse financial position. Your perceived advantage over the ACC (which I suspect is on paper only) would dissipate with that. The b12 needs to get paid for any further expansion.

[@vernonsheldon-witter1225]

Unfortunately, only Utah would qualify for Big 10 membership.

[@daveduncan2748]

I think WaState and OreState are pretty good fits for the Big12. But, if they come in for a full share in 2024, we HAVE to make BYU, UCF, Cincy and Houston full shares in 2024. Those four schools are 16-9 combined, all-time, against Wash St and Ore St. And the "new P5" argument is nonsense. Those new four (9-3 combined) are doing way better so far this season than the "hateful" eight (14-10 overall).

[@vernonsheldon-witter1225]

You can stop the Hateful 8 crap at any time in the next 5 minutes.

[@daveduncan2748]

@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 Yeah, I've never liked it. That's why I put it in quotes, to indicate it is not my term. I've always preferred "faithful" 8. But for some reason "hateful" has gained more traction.

[@michaelmartin5869]

I'm sorry, if I'm BY I'm tell ESPN that they need to come up with more money or it's a no go. Right now it's almost 32 mil they need to come up to at least 40 mil per school minus Wazzu and Oregon St.

[@brucescanlan1162]

Bring in WSU and OSU but put the conference in divisions or pods for the sake of travel.

[@Mark_Cadden]

16:47 Deion is leaving after 2 years at best (if not this year) to go to Florida when they finally fire Billy. It’s insane people think that man is gonna be in Colorado long term 😂😂

[@713BayouCity]

I don't think so. Colorado "believed" in him and gave him a chance. I think that's important to Deion. Also, Colorado is beautiful.

[@THEeyepatch11]

I said this when Deion was hired @Colorado to not think he's going to retire there. It's a stepping stone. If Colorado is willing to hire him (w/no money) for 28 million, what would LSU, Florida or Miami be willing to pay? 35-40 million?

[@PCSPounder]

If he doesn’t follow his kids to the pros first.

[@kmcc01]

Yep, he will end up back home to Florida. Don't think the Buffs have enough $ to keep him there.

[@sorney98]

​@kmcc01 nope I think a different SEC school that actually could out bid Florida. I say Texas A&M, those boosters will pay ridiculous money if Fisher can't get it done, get rid of him and go for Sanders

[@richardoneal1055]

You're making way too much out of BYU beating Arkansas. Neither team is very good, and while BYU won, Arkansas was the better team statistically. You're going to embarrass yourself if you continue with this nonsense.

[@STC987]

“Arkansas was the better team statistically” but not on the scoreboard. You know, the only thing that matters. I’m pretty sure you are embarrassing yourself.

[@richardoneal1055]

@@STC987 the final score matters only for that game. BYU's overall performance in three games says they aren't very good. But then, neither is Kansas.

[@desertrat1111]

It strange to have 2 teams in the Top 25 fighting to get into a conference.

[@vernonsheldon-witter1225]

This year they are. But what about years down the line. This has not been a regular occurance.

[@chrisbailey996]

Wazzu and the Beavs deserve to be in the Big 12

[@vernonsheldon-witter1225]

They absolutely do not deserve anything.

[@phil2young]

Who believes common sense has anything to do with college football? If it did Colorado would not be in a big5 conference. They have SUCKED for 25 years.

[@tg9891]

GO BEAVS!!!

[@Mike-aka747]

They do need 2-4 more teams out East.

[@bryanjones8778]

If the Big Ten and SEC go to 20-24 schools, the Big 12 will likely follow suit. With 16 current schools, the Big 12 could grab three west coast schools (OSU, WSU, and the best available CA school) and still have room for up to five eastern schools. That would give the Big 12 (in total) 8 western schools, 8 central schools, and 8 eastern schools. Those schools could be put into 3, 8-school divisions based on geography to help with travel.

[@Mike-aka747]

@@bryanjones8778 SDSU or Fresno St out west ?

[@Mike-aka747]

I’d say go Fresno and SDSU. Then 4 more eastern teams.

[@bryanjones8778]

@@Mike-aka747 Most likely one of those two.

[@vernonsheldon-witter1225]

@@bryanjones8778 Think again. The Big 12 has no interest in either Fresno or SDSU.

[@outsideropinion6561]

So they couldn't get a deal because they didn't care about sports, but we're going to keep bringing them aboard? This is so stupid. Nothing against them, but this is ridiculous!

[@ramspencer5492]

What?!!! They are really good teams... They're doing football right! Didn't get in because they were said to have a l large enough of market share! They have a great fanbase.You're not even paying attention

[@outsideropinion6561]

@@ramspencer5492 they're good now, but them and the bay area schools are the reason the pac couldn't get a deal, that means they should be relegated. They've been subsidized for years. Sorry they couldn't move the needle enough to build the necessary fanbase, but there's a reason they are still looking. There's several others that have proved they deserve relegation through apathy to sports: vandy, Stanford, and cal for sure and Georgia tech, wake forest, Indiana, northwestern, and Rutgers are all flirting with that line. Success for them seams to be luck rather than an effort

[@outsideropinion6561]

@@ramspencer5492 and that great fanbase must not be big enough to get solid ratings. Guess you're not paying attention to the reality of the networks not wanting to pay them p4 money

[@vernonsheldon-witter1225]

@@ramspencer5492 THIS YEAR.

[@EZ-ri3pl]

Kansas is the “top” in the B12? Kansas is good? Kansas barely beat Nevada and Nevada sucks this year.

[@killbaal4149]

Good grief! This reminds me of divorce court. Once people or institutions start getting served things start happening. I wonder what is being covered up. What a stinky mess. They should just do the super conference with or without NCAA involvement and just get on with it. This continual foreplay is getting ridiculous.

[@JSGINIOWA]

Absolutely not... focus on the ACC future implosion... plan to build out the East coast and build around to support UCF, Cincy, and WV with higher quality programs

[@wadeo167]

A month ago you spent 7 minutes crapping all over OSU and Wazzu. Anyone who suggested that the big i2 should be 'slapped with knowledge' that it will never happen. After 4-1 and 4-0 starts, and generally making the big i2 look like a big POS, the message is "OSU and Wazzu" should going the league.

[@Number4lead]

This will all be moot anyway in a few years when all the other conferences start making changes again. Or when all the teams end up in two big conferences. And the Dion hype machine isnt going to last much longer. The honeymoon is just about over.

[@immaculate5784]

Yes, somebody thinks that Deion isnt going to the NFL nor does he need to move on to another school when Shedeur is done. That is old paradigm thinking. I think Colorado is moving to the Big 12 due to Prime. If Prime keeps on coaching, it will be in Boulder.

[@ramspencer5492]

No that's not true! The new paradigm is a lot more instability and coaching staff! That's not the old paradigm, that's the new one. Welcome to professional college 🏈

[@AceofCrazy89]

NOOOOOOOOOOO. save the overhead space for ACC schools.

[@ramspencer5492]

You just don't want two more strong teams.... You don't want the competition. But they'll help legitimize your conference

[@vernonsheldon-witter1225]

@@ramspencer5492 For just how many years have OSU/WSU been "strong teams"?

[@john_smithchiropractor3931]

No conference should accept a school who has a segregated living spaces.

[@johndotter351]

WAZZU beat BIG-10 Wisconsin just recently @ Wisconsin recently ORST has been competitive they'd make goid additions to the BIG-12.

[@rhinoreselling414]

Sic em

[@stevejohnson6248]

OU has come back to the pack? Lets see what SMU does to TCU. I hope BYU does have a great year. It will make for a great next to last game of the season.

[@DavidM442]

Saves the spots for future ACC teams

[@STC987]

Why? Big 12 won’t get any of the big schools from the ACC. I would rather have WSU and OSU than weak teams like Pitt and Virginia Tech.

[@maccleezy801]

18 isn’t enough. You will still be able to add 2-4 teams even with OSU and Wazzu

[@amac701]

ACC teams ain't happening even if FSU and Clemson leave. None of those teams can afford to buy out.

[@vernonsheldon-witter1225]

@@STC987 Sorry but what you think may not be what the rest of us are thinking. Louisville was supposed to get the spot that WVU has. Both Louisville and Pitt already have big time rivals within the conference. WSU/OSU have lost their rivals. Chances are better than even we get Pitt,Louisville and NC State or VPI. We already have 16 teams. We can wait.

[@earlygenesistherevealedcos1982]

You sound like two ESPN guys saying what ESPN wants you to say. Wash. St. Athletics is broke. They fired a coach a couple years back for pc reasons. They are not a 'cultural fit' with Trxas schools and not a geographic fit with anyone. I wish them the best, but Big 12 needs to think about current members like wv, ucf, and cincy next expansion, if there should even be a next expansion. 20 trams is a league, not a conference. This is ESPN driven and not for the Big 12

[@releasingnow]

Jeez Toll, stop getting so hurt about a few "utah" fans shit posts. Grow a thicker skin bro, those dips aren't worth 1 calorie of your energy

[@richardrains9838]

They West Coast mentality will hurt and tear at the Big 12. That is a big reason that they were not asked to go to the Big 10. ACC did not want them, they took SMU instead. Wake up the negative has to be considered as it could make some of the members look to move on also.

[@NiceHandTick]

Everyone isn't a cult magat.. They will be just fine.

[@TheLAGopher]

Do you mean the "west coast" mentality that USC,UCLA,Oregon, and Washington are bringing to the B1G?

[@Summitclym]

SMU is paying to be in ACC. No State school could do that. SMU is an irrelevant comparison

[@ramspencer5492]

​@@Summitclymthey'll help legitimize you conference as the B1G and the SEC expand. They're strong up and coming teams with strong football culture.

[@dayolddoughnuts4031]

How about just giving respect to Wyoming? They can win the MWC.

[@pattondog11]

Louisville, Pitt, Va Tech and NC State much better options.

[@bryanjones8778]

I think once the ACC gets poached of its top brands by the Big Ten and SEC, those schools will be available for Big 12 expansion.

[@STC987]

You just want weaker teams because WSU and OSU would run the truck stop conference. All the teams you listed are garbage from a competitive standpoint.

[@ThereelBR]

@STC987 🤡. Come talk a big game after OSU and WSU finally have a relevant year. 90% of the time those programs win 6-8 games a year. Decent teams, crappy markets, far from elite.

[@amac701]

Those ACC teams won't be available even if FSU and Clemson leave. They can't afford the buy out. Eastward expansion seems very unlikely until another decade, unless you want to promote a bunch of G5 teams.

[@vernonsheldon-witter1225]

@@STC987 Refresh my memory which is a long one. Just how many years has OSU/WSU been powerhouses in the PAC?

[@bobmiller9967]

Oregon State has more tv appeal than Cal and Stanford ?!? 😮😮😮 What are these guys smoking ?!? 😂

[@Mike-aka747]

If this is indeed real. Then welcome my good friends. Now East and west divisions or north and south?

[@vernonsheldon-witter1225]

No divisions at all. Pods.

[@HollaIfYaHemi392]

Stop the talk bring us florida state

[@andrewdgw6779]

Not buying it

[@dayolddoughnuts4031]

So the B12 is adding Pullman Washington?! Gross!

[@STC987]

And how is Pullman worse than freaking Waco or any other truck stop in the Big 12? Give me a break.

[@BevanFarmTexas]

@@STC987 there sure are some large truck stops in the Big 12. DFW, Houston, Orlando, Cincinnati, Kansas City. That's not even including the truck stops that join next year.

[@maccleezy801]

@BevanFarmTexas You’re missing the point it’s the B12 snobbery that is going on so bad lately. These fans talk about P12 snobs but it’s so much B12 arrogance is what we are seeing lately in droves.

[@jamorantsgun]

You do realize that most of wsu and osu alumni reside in the Seattle and Portland areas? Tunnel vision ass big 12 fan.

[@vernonsheldon-witter1225]

@@maccleezy801 Bulls**t.

[@bartwilloughby2909]

They are weak Markets .

[@bargainbuilds5422]

WSU shares a market with Seattle. Most students and alum are from the area and WSUs TV ratings are up near the top of the PAC 12. Small town, but there's fans all over the pnw

[@vernonsheldon-witter1225]

@@bargainbuilds5422 For pity's sake WSU/OSU are the smallest of all the former PAC fanbases WSU is 300 miles over a major Mountain range from Seattle. I know I used to live there. Corvallis while much closer to Portland is still only 30,000. We already have 12 similarly sized universities to think about. 16 next year. Adding 2 more pie slices will just get us less pie. Leave them to fend for themselves.

[@bargainbuilds5422]

@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 I think you're really underestimating how many people get a degree at WSU and go back to Western Washington to work. WSU is just behind UW in TV ratings averaging almost a million viewers a game. That would be right in the middle of the big 12 just under BYU and above ISU. More viewers than Arizona and ASU combined.

[@sinerge2832]

The reason why none of the PAC12 teams wanted to join the Big12 is because it's just another slow sinking ship and will definitely have a recruiting disadvantage compared to the B1G and SEC. The four new teams added this year are mediocre. Prime will only be in Bolder for another year at best. There very well could be no team in the Big 12 that's in the top 15 starting 2024. It's a basketball conference now. Eventually, there will only be the Power 2 and the bad teams in those leagues will relegate schools for others from the Big12 and ACC.

[@claydredsbroadhead7763]

Aside from a few major programs, most teams have been mediocre, relatively speaking.

[@maccleezy801]

Why do so many of you sound like girl that didn’t get picked at the dance and still have this crazy vendetta on anything PAC it’s getting old bc it’s nothing original and it’s the same o same o lol. My guy get over it , the PAC teams don’t care , we are proving it on the field that it’s a pretty solid conference. Teams are still going to join the B12 get over it why so obsessed, like PAC people don’t even take offense to it anymore it’s so saturated hahaha

[@do_or_Dey]

Arizona and Colorado were ecstatic about joining the Big 12. Arizona State leadership didn’t want to join the Big 12 but most of their fan base does.

[@sinerge2832]

@@do_or_Dey They had no choice.

[@FL_Cyclone]

Not happening!

[@JTMont21]

I still say they should be football only members and give them 50-75% of the revenue.

[@zachmillang2903]

OSU baseball is better than any Big 12 school by far

[@vernonsheldon-witter1225]

@@zachmillang2903And how much less does Baseball make than Basketball??? Shatter me.

[@Skobuffsgo]

Yalls only hope is Deion leaves because every school in the big 12 is fucked if he stays.

[@vernonsheldon-witter1225]

As I remember over the past 45 years, Colorado has been nobodies powerhouse but one time, and that was when they were Big 12 members. Get real.

[@DavidM442]

OSU and WSU should go to the Mountain West. Anything else is sheer arrogance. So tired of PAC arrogance

[@mason2430]

You obviously don’t know osu and wsu

[@54raynor]

Sure sounds like Big 12 arrogance to me…

[@STC987]

@@54raynor yep, Big 12 fans are becoming insufferable.

[@maccleezy801]

Yeah I have seen hella B12 arrogance lately… the B12 fans have become what they despise for reals

[@jamorantsgun]

Ah yes, a big 12 fan calling OSU and WSU arrogant. The irony.

[@markzylstra2947]

Reported for misleading title and content.

[@CharlesFosterMalloy]

Its called analytical analysis, not reporting fact or factual occurrence ... yet. Just what's likely to happen, not what IS happening... yet.

[@kirkmoody6109]

I'm sorry but saying Texas showed there true colors and Kansas state and Kansas are tip of the top in the conference how come ksu lost to mizzu and Kansas barely beat Nevada Texas had a dawn game but still won 31-10 Texas is 3-0 ksu 2-1 ku 3-0 but has high likely hood of losing byu is still nobody in the big 12 beating Kansas will not make you a front runner that's one of thw darnedest things I've ever heard