Euphoria's Cassie - Why Women Like Her Are Still Judged

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Euphoria’s Cassie Howard reminds us how far we haven’t come when it comes to slut-shaming. The show is the most tweeted about of the decade, and a massive chunk of these tweets are takedowns of Cassie. What’s truly revealing is how Cassie's friends (and the audience) treat her, and the damaging effect this has.
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[@suzygirl1843]

Cassie and Maddy = R rated version of Betty and Veronica

[@AnonymousOnimous]

I have noticed that - while The Take is incredibly supportive of sexuality and sexual content - a line here and there have stood out to me as almost shaming people for not being sexual enough, of being prudish. This can sting a bit; I'm an Ace person. A lot of us face a lot of judgement for not being "sexual enough" to "function as people". I believe The Take as the best of intentions, but this was the impact. Perhaps I'm not alone in feeling this way. It would mean a lot to me (and probably other Ace folks) if you could check just a bit more than your scripts don't repeat that bias. Sex positivity means not judging sexuality or the absence thereof.

[@akeemfitness1997]

You shameless for support

[@akeemfitness1997]

He is not beta male he is alpha Male stand up for self

[@williamoarlock8634]

Your channel is nothing but white/WASP-ized grievance and first world whining.

[@helloleesh]

Yes, Cassie is wrong for sleeping with her best friend's ex. However, Nate is wrong for sleeping with HIS best friend's ex, and no one is talking about that.

[@PinksInMyArea]

ikr

[@justanotheronlineobserver3387]

Only because he almost beat a man to death for (consesually) sleaping with Maddy - while they where brokwn up mind you, threatened him with r*pe allocations if he spoke up about it, strangoled maddy that one time, catfished Jules as Tyler, treatened Julles with the nudes she send him at his request as Tyler with pornography charges, used those nudes to blackmale Julles into giving a false confesion to the police about the night of the strangling, forsed the guy he beat up to take the fall for said strangoling saing that he is planing on pining him for it anyway so he just should turn himself in and when Fez kindly asked him to lay off Ru and Jules, Nate called the cops on him and caused a death (to be fair, the kid shouldnt have been there to begine with, so that is kind of on Fez as well). All season 1 and I sure he does more moving on. At this point, sleaping with a best friends ex is small potatos and I kind of saw it comming. Unfortunatly, Cassy only has this as a bad thing she did so people are getting mad at her

[@Zvwry]

Because that’s obvious. We all know nate is horrible. We know! He was never good. The fact that Cassie was someone you could sympathize with in season one and is not a villain is why people are talking. Her character actually changed. Nate has always been horrible, it’s nothing new.

[@xtrordinarygrl15]

This is why I want McKay to come back in season 3 because I want to see his reaction to Nate and Cassie being together. Especially with how gross Nate was to him on New Years Eve, how could he not care? He did love Cassie, he just didn't know how to handle her

[@1Dispretty2me]

girl. Literally everyone is talking about that. Also nate pulled a gun on maddie and beat the shit out of her, like no fucking shit he's a horrible person. We EXPECTED human decency from Cassie, that's why we're all shitting on her when she can't even deliver that

[@camilapartidarobles3938]

Cassie is literally screaming for help, and her neglecting mom acts like she's got like that by herself, her sister makes fun of her trauma in public and she fell "in love" with an abusive men.

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable tbh

[@assia7810]

and i fucking hate how much her mom is hyped

[@Jess-yo9rt]

Her mother is the embodiment of "If I try to stop her it will be worse" 😆

[@Random_Wierdo.]

Fell in love? More like fell in Obsession

[@abbszidk]

louder

[@dreamgirl1937]

Imagine your little sister publicly shaming you and calling it art. Especially the carousel scene

[@Bluebooty]

@@ani.mp3 then wtf is it?

[@shrutidiwakar3384]

I actually don't know why lexi knows about the carousel scene. Like from someone's recording Or did she saw it? Heard from someone? And why did she even add that into the play because it really feels random.

[@AriEugene]

@@shrutidiwakar3384 I think someone posted a video and Lexi added it out of passive aggressive spite

[@lalaloopsii_]

If my sister did that to me I would’ve beaten the shit out of her no mercy

[@romanticrose6822]

Exactly. That play was disgusting.

[@samanthanyarko9166]

It broke my heart when Cassie was crying and her own mother couldn’t even offer her sympathy.

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops

[@kinda_cold_in_the_closet]

i broke down and started crying and i don't cry over shows and movies very often

[@joydanleigh7711]

❤❤❤💛💛💛💙💙💙

[@saralinsey5934]

Kinda hard to feel sympathetic for her

[@xoxo_dd886]

she doesnt deservy pity...

[@cassidyleonards2411]

The truly sad thing is that Cassie just wants someone to love her and she doesn't see that that person is MADDIE! She just hasn't realised that the love of her life doesn't have to be her boyfriend. I hope that's where her story takes her and she and Maddie make up.

[@camilatorres8322]

It really saddens me that as women we are socialized to pretty much overlook the love from our platonic relationships with other women (friends, sisters, moms, etc) and only seek validation from any other men in a romantic way bc we feel that the love other girls can give you isn’t enough😢😢

[@AC-ri2ph]

A romantic love and a platonic love are very different

[@Em-bi7tn]

Maddie was really cruel to her all the time

[@anjalisingh-bh1gi]

wow that would be the best redmeption arc ever! and really just realising how powerful friendships can be, not less than any romantic relationship.

[@angelsin2530]

@@Em-bi7tn she literally was not, she even gave her a chance to explain herself after the worst betrayal imaginable. The only time she’s ever been mean to Cassie before then was in order to cover up her own abuse.

[@hiimellen-jks6075]

That comment on how Cassie has only been praised for her looks, made me think about how her ice skating must have meant even more to her. Because it was something that she enjoyed and was praised for outside of her looks, she was getting positive reinforcement because of her hard work. So, when her dad takes that away, it was like taking any chance for her self-esteem to grow outside of her looks.

[@karinahuertas6259]

Ice skating fan here , believe or not the judges also take in count the looks and white skaters are helped by the judges also USA have so much influence in the sport even more than Russia or Canada, but beautiful Russian skater were praised by american and european comentators for being perfect habilite and looks al called them the russian dolls, meanwhile asian skaters that are the complete package were underscored the last 2 Winter Olympics. So that means that Cassie would have been the perfect skater but most skater strugle with eating disorders and the standard to be thin tk be ablr to jumps and spin faster, so nope that would have been hell for Cassie too.

[@marciavox8105]

I agree!

[@hiimellen-jks6075]

@@karinahuertas6259 oh I hear you, I understand that for things like dancing or anything really, looks can add extra stress to what you do. But in the case of Cassie it was a way for her to be encouraged based on talent in addition to her looks. But because her father took that away from her, there is nothing else for her to focus on besides her looks. Like the dad took her only outlet.

[@marciavox8105]

@Elena Zara That would be so discouraging, girl. I’m very sorry. I had a similar experience. Perhaps you can relate. I struggled with trusting people’s words for a long time because I worried they weren’t being honest with me because they thought I was pretty. It helped me when I found people who loved me who also gave me blunt but helpful feedback. I hope you have people in your life who are like that. Those people really helped me build my self-confidence, because they would tell me what I needed to improve, but also what I was doing well.

[@leonel87658]

Yeah, sounds like most of the audience as well as the writers forgot about Cassie's entire arc from season one, even make her one dimensional, she was never one dimensional in the first season, the people around her thought that

[@phoeberulesall1294]

The problem with daddy issues is it places shame on the girl even though she's literally a child mistreated or abandoned by the dad and the dad is hardly held accountable comparatively

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops

[@ishitajain5315]

What doesn't sit right with me is how Cassie makes several cries for help and how neither Lexi nor their mom bat an eye and rather act annoyed and inconvenienced by her breakdowns, as if her pain is a burden. Just because Lexi adjusted to the family issues in less destructive ways doesn't make a difference because it is no child's fault and they are fair to be dysfunctional because of mistakes their parents made. She is a teenager and still has A LOT to figure out, just like every other teenager. After screaming in her face for breaking down and being depressed, her mother and Lexi having the nerve to put on that play and justify it is just disgusting to me.

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops

[@romanticrose6822]

@@baonguyenxuanthai711 This is EXACTLY how I feel. I'm so glad to see that there are good and empathetic people outside of Twitter.

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

@@romanticrose6822 I love Cassie's character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh

[@ayanna6327]

Lexi is shown trying to talk to Cassie several times in S1 and S2 and Cassie usually blows her off or just curses her out like in S2E4. You cannot help someone that doesn't want to be helped.

[@MercurialMoon]

I'm especially mad at Cassie's mom. If your kid is having multiple breakdowns everyday and even tried to cut herself, something is obviously very wrong with your parenting.

[@totallytubular8760]

I always felt sorry for her cuz she looks for love in places and people who can’t give it to her.

[@elMore1107]

She lack self esteem

[@jackclimb3529]

She's a reflective narrative of the millions of people who do the same thing.

[@imbuffysummers]

@@elMore1107 right and she feels that she isn’t worthy of the love she craves. This is no fault of her own however people don’t just magically create their own self esteem at a young age it is something your environment has a very strong hold on a person’s ability to develop particularly throughout their reformative years and often someone who was shown by their surroundings and particularly their family that they don’t deserve unconditional support will take a lot of years of healing to repaired the damage, this is assuming they have the means and the access to attend therapy which even then with no outside support truly makes for a task that is only just barely shy of insurmountable

[@trinaq]

Likewise, Cassie craves affection, particularly from males, because she's still devasted by her dad abandoning the family.

[@nini-qc1qd]

@@trinaq her mom isn't any better too IMO. She let Maddy BEAT her own daughter. She's drunk more than half the time. Both of her parents used to fight loudly ALL THE TIME. It affected both of their daughter in different ways and while Cassie thought she was doing the best for her family by trying to include her dad as much as she could, for Lexi that was a mistake who kind of despises Cassie now. I used to really like Lexi until that play but Cassie did NOTHING to Lexi that could justify Lexi recreating the carnival scene. If she was actually showing the "reality" of her life then why not show Rue overdosing or Maddy framing an innocent guy? I don't remember Cassie hurting her sister in season 1-they were actually pretty close. Lexi didn't choose scenes only from her life, she also chose scenes from Cassie's life only to embarrass her.

[@tylerwatkins2923]

I remember hearing about how when people but mainly when girls hit puberty people and society start treating you differently even though you’re still you

[@SPDcru]

It's true! I developed earlier than all my friends barely out of 5th grade and started getting honked at when I walked home and teased by the boys in my class. It's like you're no longer allowed to be a kid having fun even though you ARE a kid.

[@botanicalitus4194]

@@osmosisjones4912 Stop spamming lnceIIy comments everywhere its so embarassing. ControI ur emotions, maIe.

[@Nat-ls1uo]

Yeah, can confirm. It's hard and confusing. You don't even what is happening, you just go with it and it's so fucking unfair. From that point, they ripped my childhood.

[@onettaviator5396]

@@botanicalitus4194 I can't even understand what he wrote. It's just random words with almost no punctuation or grammar.

[@jp9707]

@@osmosisjones4912 nobody is saying men should get hit... You shouldn't hit anyone. Period. I have no idea what you mean when you say people think "men should be punished", because men very often DON'T get punished. Look at the percentage of male r*pists who face punishment, for example - barely any. It's pretty clear you're just bitter towards women and desperately want to frame yourself as oppressed for being male.

[@sally.hernandez]

I just think that Cassie is basically another victim of Nate. And it's so frustrating that many people can't see it. Nate is an abuser not only psychologically but physically as shown in season 1. And he is doing the usual abuser tactics: first, have sex with her and throwes her a love bomb telling her he likes her and so on, then he ignores her and finally traps her. His objective is to slowly pray around all of Maddie's life so then he can mess with her head and get her back eventually. He of course does all of this subconsciously , but Maddy is his definitive pray. And it is very obvious when Cassie storms out of Nate's bedroom and then he tells her he loves her when she is on the stairs. He is the ultimate villain here confusing women to pray on them and use them. He is the abuser.

[@mermaidtingzzz]

Literally everyone sees that she’s another one of his victims. Cassie is the only one that doesn’t seem to think so. She seems to be willing to ignore the same red flags she saw when it came to Maddy and Nate, only because now its helping her fill a void. Mind you she didn’t cry all season bc she was Nate’s victim, she cried because she didn’t want to be held accountable for her actions and decisions. Nate comes from a whole abusive household. If she’s getting sympathy he deserves it too. Knowing what makes someone tick doesn’t mean they can’t or should be held accountable.

[@Ojo10]

I think this is exemplified when the lady Maddie babysits for tells her, her story. She said "he said the right things at the wrong time." and, "I was the type of girl no one could see ever settling down". She was vulnerable and had a secret desire to be desired and loved, and a man who wanted to cheat saw and took advantage of that.

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

@@Ojo10 I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

@@mermaidtingzzz I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh

[@garukong.]

ya, cassie's a victim but a victim can also be a perpetrator, and she's both

[@Kamila-ey5vi]

I absolutely hate how people portray having a high body count as empowering, it's not empowering if you're only doing it because you want to feel male validation, like in Cassie's case, it's extremely problematic and a major red flag that she needs therapy

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭

[@ladysofia986]

Some women like to have male validation and it's a fact, it doesn't mean they need therapy

[@katieemmer1719]

It's not empowering but there's nothing wrong with it, just because you have few to no bodies doesn't mean you need to shame Women who have high body counts.

[@ham-sley1308]

@@katieemmer1719 she was talking about a high body count not a few. A few bodies is nothing

[@ham-sley1308]

YES EXACTLY!!!

[@palomasaudios2676]

I think Cassie is also the personification of "Hurt people hurt people." She was so hurt and traumatised which then resulted in her hurting others.

[@milliebrar4042]

So why didn't Maddy do some of that then

[@notsobright7257]

@@milliebrar4042 oh she has hurt people

[@verlan3293]

@@milliebrar4042 Maddy literally lied about being raped and assaulted and ruined a guy's life to protect her abusive boyfriend. What she did is substantially worse than anything Cassie has done in the series lmfao.

[@NikkiRen]

@@milliebrar4042 Maddie literally helped ruin a guys life.

[@milliebrar4042]

@@notsobright7257 To cassie I was referring to

[@trinaq]

I was actually on Cassie's side in regards to Lexi's play, particularly the carousel scene. ANYONE would be mortified if their dirty laundry was suddenly aired out for everyone to see, and Lexi crossed a definite line by including that intimate moment.

[@Chris24_]

Yea idk how she thought she could get away with that.

[@ssissigui8846]

Lexi was mean on this one. She has some jealous towards her sis. Why didn't she show rue s bad side. How she attacked her mom for example

[@lilil9752]

the caroussel was uncalled for (also i didn't understood why she had to put the Kat caming btw) although at least she was decent enought to not put the abortion in the play (also did Lexi include in her play the part where she helped Rue pass the drug test by offering her pee? i don't remember it)

[@ruthjuliana9222]

she put it in the play because it was a public moment.

[@ssissigui8846]

@@ruthjuliana9222 what type of mentality is that. How many times have you been REALLY embarrassed in public . Would you like it to be displayed in front of the people you know for them to make fun of u ?

[@unionunicorn6776]

One thing that isn’t often mentioned is that Cassie is also inherently lonely in her beauty. Since everyone around her puts her on a pedestal, people don’t even really see her as a whole complete person. And not even her *sister* (the person she *should* be able to love and relate to and confide in the most) sees her as a whole person because Lexi is jealous of Cassie’s looks, and is happy to hurt her own sister. They both have trauma from their father leaving them, and that absolutely plays into Cassie’s behavior, but instead of having an ally in her sister, Cassie just has an enemy. Lexi is all too happy to hurt and embarrass her sister publicly. This leaves Cassie complete and utterly alone in her struggle. Cassie has nobody to confide in. Everyone is gleefully happy to hate her. Nobody loves her. And she knows it. 💔

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

They did her SO DIRTY MAN, I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh

[@lyndsiebeesley7850]

It makes me really sad bc I think Maddie is that person - equally as beautiful and willing to truly know and live her. But Cassie hurts her. It just sucks. I wish her mom would wake up and try to be there for her more.

[@AgnesOlivo]

Not to mention the way men sexualize her body and see her as object. Think about how her sex tape got released on 1st season, how mckay first idea of wanting to be with her was "youre the most beautiful women ive ever seen", and how he was made fun of by nate to be dating a "whore". which led mckay to even choke her w/o consent thinking she is liking it. guys think she likes to be treated like that just because is open sexual. which leds cassie into thinking that this is how women are treated, that this is normal relationships, because this is the only way she is treated. being pretty, having a sexualized body (big brests) is sometimes a curse

[@TheMarkmcr]

Lexi is psychotic

[@ty-zz9ic]

Even though I don’t like Cassie at all, the fact that her sister shamed her in front of the whole school is sickening and she had every right to go up on that stage

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

@@jyaie4840 Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

@@ani.mp3 Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops

[@xshae_xo]

​@@jyaie4840 if they were boys the reaction would have been the same💀 no one cares when guys fight

[@xshae_xo]

@@jyaie4840 ur the one who said if they were guys it'd b different💀✋🏽 if it has nothing to do w gender y did u bring up gender?

[@xshae_xo]

@@jyaie4840 "if maddie was a boy it would've been a different story" that is what YOU said. Im replying to what YOU said. I never said hitting wasn't bad. State where I said that. I simply said that they're would be no difference if they were boys, people's reactions would be the same. Do u understand "lady"??

[@magma4168]

God, the sight of those middle-aged/old men feeling up this girl while putting up a mask of fatherly/uncle-like affection is so uncomfortable.

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops

[@CathDaddy]

The most interesting part is when Cassie attacks the girl playing her, in other words, herself! The person she hates the most is actually her and her actions

[@FabalociousDee]

Man...that's just sad. And what makes it worse is the actress was the only one who got her.

[@naheenisapoet69]

no the girl playing her was shaming her

[@sunchildmomo]

I think is because shes obviously ashamed of her, and is not able to forgive herself, for not being perfect and loveable, despite the carousel scene being a sort of out of her control accident.

[@MyFictionalChaos]

@@FabalociousDee she definitely didnt "get" her, even though she can relate to her. They never wrote her to sympathize with her. They are similar, but the actress was not self aware. You might have read too deep into the comparisons because there were times when you could see the actress was offended by Lexi but she never said anything to make that canon

[@theo-nr6oe]

@@naheenisapoet69 the girl wasn't shaming her, technically lexi was because she wrote the play. the girl was just an actress.

[@caitlinbelforti870]

I had an uncle treat me like how Cassie's male relatives in this are treating her. It was never outright groping or sexual harrassment but there was an air of creepiness and fixation on my physical appearance. I never thought of it again until watching this video. It's not a fun feeling confronting that all these years later. I feel more validated in cutting off my family.

[@redluv123]

I’m a dead-beat cousin lol I avoid family reunions

[@simransaini938]

I feel you

[@dysmissme7343]

💜

[@donutpond]

Lexi's play was absolutely a betrayal and I wish people would acknowledge that

[@Tre325]

I found it maddening that every one was mad at Cassie but just overlooking Nate. Like, he's clearly the worst piece of this complex puzzle.

[@nicole-qe7br]

I completely agree with this

[@stvrgirl337]

no one is overlooking Nate. everyone knows he sucks

[@jenandjuice_]

we all hate nate

[@onettaviator5396]

No one's overlooking Nate, dude. It's more like that we're just used to him being a horrible abusive POS. Nate being a horrible person is like the color white being on rice. Meanwhile Cassie's flaws were never THIS on blast until now.

[@emilyvera8538]

Don't make it into a gender thing, he's universally hated. I would argue with the director tho. Alright you chose to close the cycle with the source of his trauma (dad)so... it's time to pay. Only then you can build a redemption arc for him.

[@dharanisoundarapandian6587]

Remaking the carousal scene in a play was definitely out of the line for Lexie. Imagine being Cassie and your little sister literally shamed you infront of the whole school which you already feel terrible about. And have the audacity to call it "art". No normal person let alone Cassie, can stay silent after your own damn sister made you a laughing stock. Poor Cassie was completely defenseless at that moment

[@mewesquirrel6720]

It was sickening

[@xtrordinarygrl15]

That was a bit too far and I think she could have used some other moments but we didn't really get to see the whole play in full. I still think Lexi had more to say. I don't like to judge someone's perspective until I hear the full story.

[@queenbee3561]

Yeah I would be pissed off as well

[@naheenisapoet69]

SHowed how jealous Lexi is tbh

[@margina2]

Her sister is just so jealous of cassie and it shows

[@TrustTheDice]

Absolutely loved the last part about society’s perverted glee in watching or making beautiful women go crazy. It’s like some sort of disgusting modern sport

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭

[@izzatijam901]

Shaming cassie never sat right with me. Nate in Euphoria was the prime textbook example of a very crafty psychopath, who used subtle triangulation tactics

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh

[@dejajones3441]

@@baonguyenxuanthai711 that’s crazy lol

[@jamesgunning9940]

This is a braindead take, it is comically obvious that Nate is someone who can't change and has no interest in ever changing. But Cassie logically should be the one to change, but also has the capacity to change. You have to remember she PICKED Nate, she saw Nate and the results of his abuse to Maddie and went "Yeah that's the perfect man for me right there". Blaming Nate for anything is fruitless, its useless to blame Nate because his character automatically makes any failures associated with him, his fault. It is much more worthwhile to blame Cassie as she can and should actually learn and grow.

[@bakoyma]

@@jamesgunning9940 You shouldn't be so quick to call others' takes brain dead with that comment, man.

[@jamesgunning9940]

@@bakoyma But braindead is exactly what that take is, it is a take that has been created without the use of a brain, aka the author was effectively braindead when writing the comment

[@kaitlynhall2112]

Can we talk about how different Cassie and Lexi reacted to their dad’s abandonment?! Cassie was obviously “daddy’s little girl”, but we have no idea how Lexi was treated as a young child. All the main cast had their own dedicated flashback to childhood to explain part of their personalities and problems episode…except Lexi. She was on the periphery of Cassie’s episode, but in her deeper dive episode in season 2 And flashback during the play, it doesn’t show her actual young childhood. Was she mom’s favorite? She’s always been in the shadow of Cassie because she’s beautiful, but did their parents neglect Lexi? Do we categorize this under “the golden child and the scapegoat?”

[@genfuentes3582]

The fact that she made a play about everyone else’s life says a lot about how she doesn’t even feel like a protagonist in her own life.

[@gofaonemotlogelwa4925]

they are like Rue and Gia...both lost their father but they both dealt with it differently, i hope next season we see more of Gia and how she's dealing with it and We get to know Rue, when she's sober. I also feel like Lexi just resents her sister for maybe being...hot and desired and maybe daddy's favorite...the carrousel scene in the play solidified that for me. Cassie and Lexi and Rude and Gia are more alike than we know.

[@naheenisapoet69]

@@gofaonemotlogelwa4925 yeah she does resent her. The scene of the play where she's walking in the hallways looking hot like Cass, speaks for itself, speaks for her resentment. Also a lot of other scenes are drawn towards her idioticity.

[@gofaonemotlogelwa4925]

@@genfuentes3582 exactly, she had one shot to shine and made it about everyone else, yawn.

[@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254]

@@genfuentes3582 Boom

[@nickyisicky]

I love Cassie. She reminds me of myself as a teenager. Just full of insecurities and getting attention from all the wrong people and making horrible decisions because of it. She breaks my heart.

[@gia4701]

same :(

[@chipmunkishungry5237]

I am so sorry to hear that, you deserve love and respect. I am sure you already know that but still wanted to say it.

[@yourealfr]

cassie had every right to defend herself on that stage. and no one is truly viewing from her pov everyone just points fingers

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭

[@yourealfr]

@@baonguyenxuanthai711 i feel you

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

@@yourealfr I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.

[@pathetic2399]

Yeah, I think Lexie was wrong for that.

[@yumnaamjad2637]

All those boys took advantage of her and also humiliated her. It was so painful to watch as it happens irl.that doesn't excuse her behaviour though but still

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭

[@HeavensArcher77]

I was the "Maddy" in a situation almost identical to this years ago, and my "Cassie" and I are friends again (after a year of cutting off contact with her, then reaching out myself). And it was insane watching this season because my "Cassie" is almost identical to the character; sexualized at a young age, neglectful/absent father, almost hyperromantic as a result, etc. It doesn't excuse her actions (not by a long shot, she had to own it and apologize), but these things informed her behavior throughout her most formative years. And it took getting kicked out of our close friend group and being on her own for a year (without the guy) that finally gave her the chance to introspect and begin to heal. Cassie is not irredeemable, and right now she feels like she is. This is the first time that she's done something actively and unjustifiably bad; she's feeling the fallout, the loss of her friends, the judgment from her family, the stress and humiliation and the shame. She can't take back what she did to Maddy (and Maddy is not obligated to forgive her or make space for Cassie in her life), so she feels like it would be useless to apologize, especially since what she did was not an accident. She can choose to own it, grow from it, and never let it happen again, but that will take time. And I think the audience wanted her to apologize to Maddy right away. But she has not grown enough to truly understand the depth of the hurt she caused, so any apology from her would've been defensive and desperate, not genuinely earned. At the end of the day, I just can't see Cassie as anything other than a teenage girl who is learning what it feels like to undeniably and actively wrong someone who loves you. And it does suck that expressing empathy for her gets translated into supporting her actions, since the act of unjustifiably hurting someone who has never hurt you (in some capacity) is such a bitterly relatable and human experience.

[@PrincessLioness]

Did she come clean and break it off with your boyfriend? What made you decide to reach out to her again, after rightfully cutting her off? Also, how has this affected your current relationship. Do you have boundaries, (like she can't meet your future boyfriends, or you no longer important/intimate share things with her) or are things back to the way they used to be. Has she taken any steps to earn your trust again? Sorry for all the questions, but as someone who takes trust very seriously, I don't think I would be able to be friends with someone who betrayed me like this unless they did something miracle to make it up to me.

[@sydneyturack7063]

Wow, this is so well said!!! I have been trying to express this as my feelings surrounding Cassie for a while now. It truly feels like everyone is forgetting that all of this is a part of the human experience for a lot of people, and in this particular situation a lot of teenage girls. I’ve never been in your shoes (I’m so sorry that happened) but I’ve definitely seen a few of my friends go through this. That’s the best part of what euphoria explores and one of the most complicated parts of being a teen: for the first time you have the opportunity to make some more adult decisions, and for the first time you see how your childhood and development impact who you are and the choice you make. And then you have to make the choice to change your nature.

[@pjuarez5]

Wow more people should read this, because it shines a light on real life situations, you don't have to excuse the behavior but you don't have to be mean either. In the show Maddy, Kat, Lexi, Jules, Rue, everyone specially Nate have done bad things some are actual crimes and people over social media is outraged because an underage girl broke the "girl code" come on! Specially if people can feel bad for Maddy without condemning her actions and without holding her accountable for her wrongdoings, for the ones that defend Nate because he's a victim that has gone through trauma, it's hard to understand why they're so upset about Cassie.

[@babyyodachelsea7034]

Good luck!!

[@lookitskatiex]

Yes. I had the same thing happen to me as well. It’s the same situation where she has been my friend since kindergarten and the guy was a bit like Nate. They got together right after we broke up and I’m going to be honest, I wasn’t even mad. I was WORRIED about her. For me, there was nothing to forgive. Some dumbass guy isn’t worth me dumping my friend over. To be fair, no lying was involved but it was something that would have made a lot of people angry. We’re still friends and she is not with that guy anymore, thankfully.

[@audreylockhart90]

I just want to appreciate Sydney Sweeney as an actress. She did such a great job with Cassie’s character in both seasons.

[@TheBlushersJournal]

100%. You know you are doing something right as an actor when this overwhelming response to your character hits.

[@SaloniSingh19]

she's talented as hell

[@Willow-cw9te]

Yeah she killed it 🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops

[@samf.s8786]

Oh yeah, I still think she's underrated... I think because her character centric episode was at the end of the first season, people didn't feel as much for her during the season. But with season 2, that's out of the way, and she's got more screen time this time around which gave her a chance to show her range. People are just pre-occupied with hating Cassie that they're overlooking the performance.

[@nidjiunanatshi]

I think she's hated because nowadays as we finally get away from female characters that are only a pair of boobs on legs, and towards female characters that are strong and stand up for themselves, we forget that there are also women like Cassie who aren't strong, who are fragile and hurt and who make bad decisions sometimes. She's portrayed like a real girl and not like a character on a TV show. I think we all agree Euphoria does a great job of having complex, realistic characters all-around. I've known a couple girls like Cassie in my life, and what bothers people is that she's not an archetype they want to see on TV. Maybe they feel like she's bringing the feminist movement down, but isn't feminism supposed to be about supporting women, and not just the ones you handpick because they represent something you like/that is like you? I love Cassie. I hope she gets help and makes up with Maddie.

[@Traveleronthelamb]

Exactly it's always the feminists who like to pit girls against eachother because "one is better than the other" when tbh we are pretty much all the same I thought sisterhood was including all girls and not just excluding women you think are supporting patriarchal beliefs. "Oh she cant be here because she's a wh*re" is sexist and demeaning. Women who do that are mysognistic themselves. They are not a girls girl.

[@whitevsdarkasmr]

the fact that sydney portraits cassie so well, speaks volume of sydney's talent

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh

[@veronnicamackillop5371]

Thank youuu for this take! Not defending what Cassie did to Maddy, but her "cringe" character traits are pretty easily explained by how sexualized she is and has been from a super young age. I love Cassie's character, she's young and needs help. People who watch this show have such selective empathy.

[@trinaq]

Precisely, Cassie has been deprived of a positive male role model in her life, and desperately craves affection, no matter how toxic it may be. McKay also tended to treat Cassie badly at times, and forced her to get the abortion against her will.

[@soniamarlenlopezarreola]

Mkmm I’ll B

[@ahanaroychoudhuri]

Great comment

[@bunnywavyxx9524]

There's nothing wrong with selective empathy, some people deserve empathy and others don't deserve their actions justified anymore.

[@saumyavig8964]

Normal people have selective empathy, and i mean everyone lmao.

[@TheKrazysexykool]

Lexie's play was brutal. It was basically a stage performance of a "burn book". Granted, Lexie has been overshadowed by her sister but she is better off because she isn't under pressure. Being in a perpetual spotlight, Cassie feels an expectation of perfection. As perfect as she tries to be, the men in her life constantly disappoint. Nate told Cassie that she didn't realise the power she has. That is true. Maddie has power and knows how to use it. Cassie is totally submissive which sets her up for disappointment and the feeling of powerlessness. The scene of Cassie on the carousel was extremely humiliating but in spite of that, it is a scene that shows that Cassie can find what she needs when she relies on herself. That just wasn't the proper venue to make that discovery. Cassie's appearance should be an asset but not the only thing that defines her

[@BlueSupermoon20]

Right like I would never do that shit to my sister

[@truthh8597]

wasn’t cassie’s boyfriend also on that carousel? Wtf?

[@jas5519]

@@truthh8597 no

[@user-uw6xb8wc4v]

@@BlueSupermoon20 I really agree. she went over the line. Even she's Lexi's sister and family. The play was only for lexi's desire.

[@uravirginwhocantdrive1400]

I know times have changed in schools but I kept thinking “what kind of principle or any school administrator would allow a play like Lexies” like wtf

[@amy3515]

Aswell as her father abandoning the family, she’s been exploited by a lot of her exes sexually and online - that kind of circumstance has traumatised some victims so much that they died by suicide soon after a video of them was leaked :( And I’m not sure if the show acknowledges or handles that in a sensitive or mature way. She’s a survivor, and still a teenager, even if she’s played by an adult woman (who I think is a great actress btw) I feel like so many people don’t remember this about her story :(

[@frankinsaneandmyrrh1202]

YES. these are my thoughts. It breaks my heart to see this message fly over the audience's heads and young girls hating on Cassie. they're missing the point. honestly, teens should be watching this video. I hope people spread this more.

[@alexaofelia2750]

There was a line from the Demi Lovato doc that i think applies here. It was spoken by Demi's rehab counselor: "So many people look at someone who relapses and think 'omg how could you do that?!' when instead they should be thinking 'wow you must have been in so much pain to have done that'".... Cassie obviously must be in terrible pain and deep desperation for love to be willing to do what she did. It doesn't mean it's okay for her to cause her best friend pain, ofc. But damn. Poor girl

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops

[@loussis8584]

@@baonguyenxuanthai711Can't agree more with you :-) Cassie is my favorite character of the show. I like Maddy but I don't think we should tolerate her violence toward Cassie just because she was cheated on and "betrayed". Physical violence is BAD no matter what... People have strange values: it's ok to send an innocent person to jail but it is a crime to sleep with your bestfriend ex-boyfriend? And what about Rue who is still seen as a likable character while the show is revealing how terrible she can be with her mum and sister... As you say it, this shows how people have internalized misogyny : people like Rue because she's cool and pretty masculin, but Cassie... "Oh hell! she's just a slut that deserve to get her feelings hurt and to be beaten up (even though we know she was abandoned by her father, was treated like shit by her former boyfriends and eventually her family, and had to undergo an abortion without her friends noticing)!" Hopefully I see that many people (perhaps mostly girls) still really like Cassie and that is reassuring to me🙂

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

@@loussis8584 The part about how actually relatable Cassie's behavior is to young girl's is true for some people. I've seen this behavior but also amongst grown-ups. I've done this myself to some degree but I could never loose myself for someone else. A bit like Maddy but not completely. Which is why I am so disappointed at Cassie but still gets her. And it's often because of this patriarchal society brainwashing everyone, with an uterus, to behave that way while at the same time shaming us for doing it too. Damn if you do, damn if you don't. And it does tells us, no matter what gender, to loose ourselves into this one person because that's true love. No that's what's called toxic monogamy.

[@manganime1893]

I've come to realize most women have a deep HATRED for cheating, I think most of us have expirienced it and the pain that comes with it, even more if it's your best friend who is involved with your bf/ex, I think the pain is really relatable while being a drug addict and ruining your loved ones lives is smth not many people have gone through so it's easier to be more objective and empathize with rue. I've seen other works of media where there are characters who are literally murderers but surprisingly the most hated character is the cheater lol it's equivalent to some war crime, people really are sensitive about that.

[@abbied]

⁠@@baonguyenxuanthai711 Do you think monogamy or the concept of monogamy is bad tho? (Just wondering that’s all) ://

[@karupe9982]

*The fact that she is a victim* (of the circumstances she grew up/is living, as this video states) *doesnt erase the things she did wrong* . There is no need to be against or in favor of Cassie, but against or in favor of the characters actions (meaning she isn't inherently bad but her actions are -something that can change / get better at any time-). And this is the way I try to think of these ensamble of characters.

[@deividgualberto7704]

never saw such a smart take, thank you!

[@jasonvargas7564]

No, the fact that she did wrong doesn’t erase that she’s a victim. Everyone always points to all the things she did wrong with Maddie and Nate, makes fun of her for calling herself crazier than Maddie but crying when she’s confronted and running away, making memes, etc. but no one mentions her being a victim.

[@pjuarez5]

@@jasonvargas7564 exactly! Every one makes mistakes but it seems like every one else gets a free pass but her. Yeah she did wrong but how about the times that she's been wronged? In the end the she still a victim too.

[@mariafernandavelascohernan5839]

@@jasonvargas7564 Exactly! I feel that because she is not allow to be a victim just because of her mistakes. She is a teenager for godsake!

[@mariafernandavelascohernan5839]

There's a need for much empathy around the world and actions of people, we shouldn't be judging mistakes or wrongdoings. I see more wrong doing in Lexi's actions and even their mom, for allowing her daughter to be mocked like that infront of the school.

[@MysiaLusia]

I find Cassie as the most tragic character of this show. She is very emotional and sensitive woman, kind of very MM type, that type that needs love and attention and despite being beautiful she never gets it - not from her parents, not elsewhere. Cant understand people would blame her for sleeping with Nate when he is using and manipulating her and she is simply in love. She is harmless and can't do anything else.

[@raidenarmstrong5888]

Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops

[@MsMeeka-lr6uf]

Do not justify her actions. It’s ok to hold her accountable as well as everyone else on the show. We could use a similar logic and justify why Nate turned out the way we did. He didn’t ask for his parents just like no one else on the show did. Everyone turns out the way they do bc we are all different we can’t justify things for one person and not the other.

[@MsNationaltreasure]

Sydney Sweeney better get some awards for her brilliant acting this season

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops

[@anais559]

The writing of this season was just bad, and degrading to Cassie as a character. In the first season, she was flawed, but also sweet. She showed an interest in cars, was bit clumsy and even awkward, but also someone who had a lot of trauma and was a very interesting character. But she turns intro a caricature of herself in season two. Her trauma and 'daddy issues' becomes this comedic schtick and she just turns into a husk of her former self. She falls madly in love with Nate in the first episode (even though they didn't even like each other in season one, and she didn't became obsessed like that with other guys like McKay), and spends the rest of the season behaving in a completely irrational way. I feel strongly about this because I really related with Cassie in season one. Her need to please others was a very compelling character flaw, but in season two it just gets ridiculous. P.S I really dislike the way they started using Cassie and Lexi's mom as comedic relief in season two, because she really was a bad mom to her daughters. And it's absurd and horrifying that people found the "well, a corkscrew ain't gonna cut it" line funny. That is an insanely cruel thing to your spiraling and panicking daughter, no matter what she did.

[@frenchfries2998]

The corkscrew thing was not funny at all cause she was attempting self harm if she had something else she could have seriously injured herself. Also I feel the same way about their mom everyone praises and loves her now but she is pretty neglectful. Not to mention an addict which deeply effected Lexi and Cassie.

[@bethattrup965]

my thoughts exactly. I agree with a lot of the analysis in the video but imo they take it too far in s2. her flaws are really her only characteristic in this season. I feel like the daddy issues trope is so overdone and realistically this character isn't adding anything new to the conversation (coming from someone with daddy issues and abandonment issues lmao) and it just feels even more gross that the writers room coming up with everything and writing the excessive nude scenes is *one man*!

[@MarieTheOstrich]

agreed. she scolds Mccay for trying to have have sex rough.... and in season two, she basically becomes nates pretty choke-doll. Like its almost cartoonish how she was boiled down

[@ty-zz9ic]

Sometimes in real life people who live to please others completely forget their personalities and interests. They adopt other people’s characteristics and in Cassie’s case she adopted Maddy’s.

[@kathyalex778]

Cassie was grieving and miserable and they made her look like a clown. No doubt she made stupid decisions but she’s a hurt girl looking for a man’s love, any man’s love, because her dad was a selfish junkie. I was one her, desperate for any dude and willing to compete with other women for their attention. It’s never worth it. Men can smell desperation and the evil ones will use it for their own personal gain and then throw you away, exactly like what we saw.

[@colleenkelly7985]

THANK YOU. Nobody is defending Cassie's choices, but given everything that she's been through and how hardcore she has been manipulated by Nate, I think so much less of the people who hate her or delight in her getting hit by Maddy. What she did sucked and she /should/ feel bad. But come on. She's a teenage girl making mistakes, coming from a place of zero self worth and recent heartbreak. You can have compassion without condoning actions.

[@ellieg5441]

@𝑴𝒂𝒆𝒍𝒊. While you do have some very accurate points, I agree with the main comment saying that Nate did manipulate her. Even if Nate did warn her that Maddy was never going to forgive Cassie, he led her on various times by telling her he loved her and tried to make Cassie look crazy when he said he wasn't getting back together with Maddy but he had all the intentions to. Also when he tried to break it off the first time and Cassie left, he chased after her and proceeded to hook up with her and tell her that he's basically head over heels for her. He definitely did manipulate her in some aspects, making Cassie want to keep going back to him, but yes this is also Cassie's fault since she has seen how Nate has previously behaved with Maddy.

[@gretchengeorge5302]

The way you contradicted yourself in this comment.

[@CKahlo]

@𝑴𝒂𝒆𝒍𝒊. she's not showing remorse, but she does feel extremely guilty. Notice how she puts pressure on the fact that Maddy and Nate weren't dating at the time. It's like she's trying to cling to a technicality to avoid facing that what she did was very wrong. She does this to try and remain the last person on her side.

[@MyFictionalChaos]

The way people criminalize Cassie (a teenage girl) when she is a victim is digusting to me. Obviously, it is rare for high schoolers to actually get into the stuff in euphoria, but when I was in college, I saw many similar situations that happen to many of the girls have in the show. It sucks to see some of you replying to OPs comment shaming these girls and comparing their issues and vices. (Drug addiction, sleeping around, being a bystander, binge drinking, smoking, leading on your boyfriend, filming yourself doing sex acts, stealing, lying, being a bad friend, running away from home, shopaholic, unhealthy attention to men, unhealthy attention to looks, all of these happen in the show and are subjectively better or worse depending on who you ask) Nate IS a manipulative person. You may not have directly seen him do things to Cassie that were physical; however, he did a lot of horrible things to the rest of the charactes in the show (Maddy, Jules, His family) so that his character is portrayed as abusive. Cassie just so happens to only be emotionally abused and manipulated. Comparing abuse is not okay. For those who do not understand why someone like Cassie would keep sleeping with Nate, let's break it down: Cassie was never interested in Nate before he and Maddy broke up. He took advantage of her when she was drunk and persuaded her to have sex with him. She was just getting over a breakup. Many people sleep with people after breakups because they have a hole left from the person they were with previously. Now cassie has parental problems: her mom doesnt pay attention to her and let's her do all this dumb shit. MANY times in season 2, the script shows that her mother knew something was up with cassie and even implied that she was seeing someone ("single girls dont cry like that"). And we all know about her father, so I wont get into that. So with the lack of love she was getting from her home life AND her breakup, drunk Cassie needs to sleep with someone and continues to grip the only person who gives her attention. Physically, Cassie has the addiction to the hormones she gets from sex and the gratification Nates relationship gives her as well as the alcohol gives her. Statistically, people who sleep around tend to have lower self esteem, which is illustrated by the "beauty routine" cassie does and the outfits and makeup she puts on. She also uses these to attract Nate and the male gaze. Nate's abuse towards her instantly makes Cassie a victim and I IMPLORE you to look up why it is hard for victims to leave their abusers. Typically, victims of abuse are emotionally dependant on their partner and have low self esteem as well. Victims need a "push", like adrenaline, to get them to leave. But often they come back. This is shown in the scenes here cassie cried and starts pushing against Nate but ultimately he tends to "woo" her back. Now if you think about a normal relationship, when your partner is mad you dont try to seduce them into habing sex wih you. THAT is manipulation. Appealing to sex as a result of an argument or fight every single time is fucked up, and Nate continued to do it. I didnt go into detail about her drinking problem because most characters in the show seem to have that, but yeah when you drink, you tend to make worse decisions. If cassie is someone who is constantly drinking and is sleep deprived, it is going to be harder for her to leave an abusive relationship Tldr; i dont blame any of you for not understanding some of the content in the show bc that was how I was when i was a teenager. I remember being young and naive and always thinking "why does she stay with him if he cheats" and "why doesnt she leave if he is an asshole to her all the time and makes her cry." (This goes for men as well) Etc. Now I know that it just isnt that simple. And it is just something that you will have to learn when you get older and experience life and meet other people with different experiences than your own. You may not sleep with people and maybe you marry young and never understand that bit. But these things are the same whether it is sex or drugs or alcohol or even putting on 30 pounds because you "cant stop" eating sweets, or how you "can't stop" spending money on clothes or stocks or the casino. How you "have to keep working overtime" or "have to keep playing this video game." Everyone has their vices. And sometimes it is too complicated and maybe to difficult to explain to other people.

[@ahanaroychoudhuri]

I so much agree with you. And the fact that maddie should also not want nate in her life who was an abusive bf even to her shows that maddie is not perfect too and maddie even gave fake witness against a person wrongly framed of assault allegations shows that just because she stood for herself fiercely doesn't actually mean she's all that

[@NikkiRen]

My heart went out to Cassie. Literally the ONLY thing that made me start to dislike her character is her “betraying her best friend.” Nate’s garbage, been garbage. NO ONE expects him to be decent in any sort of way. She didn’t deserve Nate’s garbage self, either. But lying to your Best Friend? Betraying your Best Friend? I don’t care WHO it is? That’s wrong.

[@dotcom3015]

I’m just surprised at how much people turned against Cassie. In comparison to the vampire diaries triangle, viewers acknowledged that brothers shouldn’t have fallen for the same girl and then just picked the Salvatore they preferred. The audience mostly rooted for the brotherly bond and criticized /Elena/ for going back and forth between them. Maddie would most likely go back to Nate if she could, which would be just as bad, but I don’t think anyone would criticize her as much

[@dotcom3015]

@NS idkkkk from the hot tub scene, Maddie would go back. He has a privileged life that Maddie wants for her future, and I don’t blame her as she’s a teen. And so is Cassie. Maddie lied on Tyler and got him beat up and arrested because she loves the idea of Nate, Cassie got with her bffs ex because she needs attention from men. They’re both messy. But then Nate pulled a weapon on Maddie and himself, so idk it depends on sam levinsons writing if Maddie takes him back. To me they’re both victims of Nate. Elena for a majority of the show was just a whiny teen girl, and then was put in a sleep spell or something. People still think she’s the bad guy for choosing the wrong brother. Stefan was a ripper vampire who forced his brother to become a vampire, he’s not a good guy either

[@dotcom3015]

@NS I mean they’re characters. I kind of enjoy shows most when they betray each other. If people are gonna take it that personally then the abuse from Nate is still worse, and they wouldn’t be rooting for Maddie to beat up her former best friend if they cared about morals. Cassie was wrong as a friend. But she doesn’t deserve to violence for getting being with nate when he wasn’t with Maddie.

[@dotcom3015]

@NS omgggg no teenage girls do not deserve to be beaten up. As a character it’s fine, cause it’s just drama and entertainment. But you sound like you actually support violence. Maddie is still guilty of getting Tyler beaten up and sent to jail for false accusations. Her consequence was Nate. Cassie’s consequences were from Nate, Maddie and her sister humiliating her. Her ex basically assaulted her and pushed her to have an abortion, she’s also had her nudes shared without her permission. Everyone on that show is constantly being traumatized, so no a girl sleeping with her friends ex is not the biggest deal to me. Sure betrayal hurts, but it’s a bit tame compared to the trauma every 5 mins. Even rue, who most people love, genuinely traumatized her sister. So yeh, hurting people you love won’t make you a villain in euphoria

[@Ambling_Henceforth]

If anything, Nate stole Cassie from Maddy. He saw her vulnerability as bright as day and focused on her as a way to: torture Maddy even more; prey on Cassie's grievous neglect and abandonment issues; and get them to both chase him, resulting in a rivalry he achieved in creating. And by the way, it doesn't matter how badly Nate abused Maddy right in front of Cassie's face because Nate is a manipulator. He manipulated Cassie using her yearning for love and validation into doing all of the things she did, because that's how abuse works. What I really want to see is Maddy and Cassie come to the conclusion together that it wasn't the fault of either of them and that they deserve better than Nate fucking Jacobs. I beg see the nuance and not state the obvious like 'sleeping with your bff's ex is wrong' because it's not an ordinary dating scenario where a friend betrays another. It's psychological torture induced by the common denominator: Nate fucking Jacobs. I repeat: the problem is not Cassie. It is Nate. Victims never get the compassion they deserve because people don't realise that what a victim does in the thick of the abuse or when they end up with PTSD doesn't reflect them as people. The abused party becomes a puppet for their abuser to fuck with, make them do deplorable things in the hopes that the abuse will stop or the abuser will be pleased that they did what they were told. That's the whole thing with Nate this season. He says and does things that Cassie has to play along with, which to an outside viewer like Lexi can be seen as selfishness, victim complexity and being generally insufferable. That's why I hate Lexi's play so much. The ignorance, despite being more knowledgeable and seemingly insightful than every other character, is absolute, and it's not even her fault. She's just as blinded by jealousy of her sister that Cassie is by infatuation with Nate. I hope these things get addressed next season. There's more I'm sure I could write but this is just a comment section and it may take up a lot of space.

[@KitteniaSdlr]

Looking everywhere for this. The main issue I have with everybody's reactions to Cassie this season is that noone seems to take into account that she is being manipulated and abused by Nate, just like Maddy was before her. She does some shitty things but she is definitely a victim of Nate. There kind of is a line after their smackdown that points towards what you said. When Maddy tells Cassie "it's just the beginning" or something like that I really felt like she was trying to warn her that she is falling into the same pattern with Nate as Maddy had before.

[@frenchfries2998]

@@KitteniaSdlr Honestly Nate is psychologically abusing her. Making her question herself constantly. Pushing himself away a tiny bit so she becomes more desperate and dependent. He even first confronted her when she in her “low grade depression state” as rue describes which she had been in since winter formal when she got her abortion and broke up with mckay. I’m not defending her at all but it IS a form of abuse and everyone ignores it

[@the_only_living_ghost]

Oh snap

[@Ambling_Henceforth]

@@frenchfries2998 You should defend her. Those actions aren't hers: they're a result of the abuse, which inherently isn't her fault. I'm not saying that Maddy shouldn't be angry because her anger is rational but it's not Cassie she should be angry with.

[@lovelybrown9081]

THIS IS THE ONE

[@NotTodaySatan557]

This is one of the most relatable takes. I think a lot of girls, myself included, have been perceived as the “Cassie” and the “cringe”. Hopefully, she’ll grow up, learn her worth, and stand in her power. GREAT TAKE

[@SL-lv8im]

Thank you!! It’s crazy how heartless people can be. It like if you don’t fit how people think a “victim” or “good person” should be, then your demonized and even said to have “deserved it” even though no one is perfect and can react in all forms and spectrums

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops

[@glipgloppapi9959]

Cassie was the type of woman Lana del rey was talking about when she said she makes music for women who love being in love no matter the toxicity or whatever lol not a great character trait

[@rocketmansapprentice]

I thought about Lana throughout the whole video especially the Born To Die album 😌 the characters definitely have common characteristics.

[@alaynaleighh8688]

no wonder I love Lana Del Rey

[@trinaq]

Sydney Sweeney is a fantastic actress who plays Cassie well, but the writing for her character felt flat this season. It disturbs me that she's a teenage girl being written by a man in his thirties, though Sam compiled when Sydney asked him to cut some of her nude scenes.

[@birgitta3379]

Totally agree!!!

[@anais559]

@@danielasilva8765 that's the kind of speculation that I would be careful with if I were you.

[@botanicalitus4194]

its defs creepy

[@Jimin-km9qx]

Sydney denied the accusations of Sam she never asked to take sex scenes but I kinda understand what u sayin’

[@B33z1ng]

Any grown man writing a sexualized show about minors shouldn’t be trusted and I really don’t think we should support his work going forward… especially after this last season.

[@soniaiboyako4023]

"To be fair the first time she [comes to Daniel] she is on molly" and the second time she's drunk and emotionally vulnerable (after an actually horrifying night tbh). Cassie has an alcohol problem that imo always gets overlooked. The attitude surrounding S02 Cassie boils down to the good victim vs. bad victim mentality if we're being honest - which echoes the outro as far as "her still making the same mistakes" is concerned, which assumes her being taken advantage of, manipulated and whatnot is really her own doing which is... essentially victim blaming. Overall this is genuinely the best video on the topic i've seen so far, by a lot. Thank you to Anya from the bottom of my heart for not playing the Team Maddy vs. Team Cassie game and not being reductive or simplistic about this character. That being said I wouldn't say anything that's been done to her has been "deserved" (except maybe Maddy fighting her but even that was pretty dumb if you ask me) - and as empathetic as this analysis is I'm not convinced the show itself is making these points, as all of her vulnerable moments are quite genuinely played for laughs or to be gawked at and some characters have been rewritten to make way for this display of humiliation to happen

[@Movieslurge2]

THANK YOU.

[@VasilisaForbes]

YES

[@Akina023]

I was and am a quieter version of Cassie. I repressed how much I wanted love by isolating and pushing others away with the severity that she tries to hold onto people.

[@missqueen8886]

I'm half and half with Cassie Sometimes I just want to slap her for being so dumb But then I just want to hug her and teach her how to love herself more I fear that in the next season she’ll be in Maddie’s position Playing the part of the perfect girlfriend while Nate cheats on her/doesn’t really love her And this time I don’t know if Maddy will be able to save her from herself So I’m worried about her

[@missqueen8886]

@@ani.mp3 thank God I'm not the only one Also I'm someone who never had a father in my life (my mom's single and she adopted me) But thank God I had good male cousins in my life who showed me what a good man is supposed to be

[@naheenisapoet69]

Male on Male rivalry being glamorised, while WOmen rivalry over men being shamed to the point it's called stealing was a point I didn't THINK OF ONCE in all my day long arguments over cassie. THAT WAS AMAZING. Also being a language student who learned about Self identity, her lacking "sense of self" due to obsession with Nate was a mind blowing fact I never thought of either. really amazing I love you!

[@hermioneera]

girl, they aren't rival over a guy, but it's because cassie herself broke maddy's trust as a friend. that's why maddy asked cassie, "is it worth it?" after finding out cassie had s*x with her ex. it's all about trust in friendship. maddy wonders why cassie broke her trust over a guy like nate.

[@lexiechans]

@@hermioneera exactly

[@sugarpearl9781]

Edward and Jacob’s relationship is nothing like Maddy and Cassie’s. Edward and Jacob had no relationship before they met and fell for Bella. And they were almost pre-destined to be enemies. Maddy and Cassie were best friends before Maddy ever dated Nate.

[@sushihater]

both are wrong tho

[@DIAMOND0123]

@@sushihater exactly, BOTH are wrong, I swear I don't understand how people can judge Cassie so much and not judge Nate and Maddie for framing an fucking INNOCENT man... People are hypocrites🤦

[@Val-ep5zq]

Cassie is the oldest tale in the book. Someone desperate for love, they grasp onto any inclination of it even when it’s wrong, even if it hurts them. (I was once like this too) her comeback arch should be her realization that the only love she needs is her love. Once she sees that she will be able to accept real love, like Maddie’s and her sisters friendships and won’t feel the need to grasp at straws.

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

I grew up around addiction, and experience my own, so Rue is a very relatable character for me. That being said, I started developing in fourth grade. I understand Cassie so well, because one day people just stopped treating me like a kid. They just commented on my physical appearance and made suggestive comments. I was never mad at her… I just felt so bad for her. Her routine of getting up early to beautify for Nate was tragic enough, without him ignoring her every single time. She’s not a bad person, but she doesn’t know how to be of value any other way because nobody gave her the chance. People don’t tell her she’s kind, or smart, or funny… they talk about her looks. I couldn’t be a teenager today

[@undeadMahrukh]

But what if u don't have any other relationships friends or family.

[@irondragonmaiden]

I would never speak to my sister ever again after Lexie's stunt. There are lines in the sand you don't cross

[@Alabalalululababa]

It confounds me how people actually hate Cassie more than Nate. How people will find any excuse they can to side with an abusive bastard just because he’s a 6’5 white boy with fluffy hair, but will let their internalized misogyny direct all that hatred towards her

[@romanticrose6822]

That's is SO TRUE! They seriously act like she's a murderer or a criminal 😵‍💫

[@idontgiveafaboutyou]

No one likes Nate either. Ignorant comment.

[@ddwow566]

I never judged Cassie for obsessing over a guy I think we all can sympathize with her. I judged that she hurt someone who was already being battered and abused. She's cruel for that and its sad

[@essienrocks]

hurt people hurt people she let her daddy issues take control of everything including loving her friend, she has low self esteem as a result, so she doesn't even recognize the love Maddy has for her, so its easy for her to hurt maddy

[@ddwow566]

@@essienrocks the love she was looking for was in front of her the whole time, so sad

[@CamSiv996]

If I ever judge anyone, regardless of gender, it wouldn't be due to what or who they are. It's what they did that brings more harm than good.

[@Indrea13]

Cassie is wrong. She is the one who owed loyalty to Maddy, her friend. Not only did she sleep with her ex, she got together with her friend's abuser and lied to and manipulated Maddy.

[@jasonvargas7564]

@@Indrea13 did you ever think Cassie could also have fallen prey to Nate’s abusive, manipulative tendencies? Or is Maddie the only one who gets to be Nate’s victim? Nate has been manipulating her since season 1, without her even knowing about it, by degrading her in front of the guys, in front of McKay, and TO McKay several times, leading McKay himself to treat her as less than, as an object, to not consider her feelings about the pregnancy, only thinking about himself and what being a father at that age would do to HIM. Nate knew Cassie’s history and that’s who he chose to latch onto, not because he genuinely cared, but because she was weak and easy. He could toy with her and always be in control. He could get back at Maddie for whatever perceived wrong she did him. He could ruin all of their lives and he’d be Scott free since he’s not a part of the friend circle, and no one expects any better of him anyway. It’s a win win for him, and he gets to hurt Maddie once more. Cassie never factored into any of this.

[@maddyallen6335]

As a traditionally 'beautiful' girl who has gone crazy in the past, and been treated like a spectacle by my peers in this same way, I think the point of this video, and in extent this show, is to question the culture, and the many different ways in which misogyny can materialise and affect women. So so important, thank you for talking about this :)

[@HienPham-ow5ky]

I agree with this 100%

[@smallandstressed2364]

I wouldn’t get the show that much credit. It regularly uses tropes (like how Maddy is a latina that’s sexy and aggressive) and is still very toxic in the ways it portrays girls.

[@swansong_]

@@smallandstressed2364 They nuances that trope in s2, Maddie showed a LOT of her kind side and I'm so so so happy about that!!

[@alyssarose3880]

@@smallandstressed2364 ok but there are ALOT of girls like this. It's very common it's not like he completely made it up. Also ,90% of latinas I've ever met have an attitude.

[@smallandstressed2364]

@@alyssarose3880 wow. way to generalize an entire population based on your anecdotal evidence. how disgusting to use such a ignorant defense and think that justifies anything.

[@AutumnFS]

Arguably, I was a Cassie type in my 20's, though I didn't realize it. I had a lot of passions and pursuits that put me in the spotlight, and I enjoyed the attention. What I didn't realize until I was almost 30 was that all of the men who I thought appreciated my talent or creativity were almost solely interested in objectifying me. Now, in my 30's, I find being plain or even being ugly at times to be empowering. I don't want to exist for the viewing pleasures of people attracted to women. If I choose to dress up, it's because I want to. Sometimes I'll put on makeup just to watch movies at home. It took a lot of therapy to get here, but being in that headspace of NEEDING to be hot was torture.

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops

[@bennyton2560]

well said!

[@lizc9820]

Hi! Please tell me how to get there cause I feel like I never will. I see I therapist and she's great, but I just can't shake the need for validation through my looks. It feels like one of the only things in life I can control so I latch onto it. Can you share any advice that helped you get out of that mindset the most? When I don't dress up and look "perfect" I notice I get treated a lot worse by men I know and meet in my life then when I'm stressed about my appearance and I feel low about myself, but I'm so, so tired of living this way.

[@Vayikra]

Hurt people may hurt people, but that must never be an excuse when they are given the option not to. Maddie gave Cassie a chance to rekindle and apologize after what she did but she didn't. She was given a chance to make it right and she didn't. That is my problem with Cassie, her friend does try to help her and she insist on hurting her instead of leaving a man who is not with spit on the ground.

[@aperson9556]

Cassie was actually my favourite character. Someone who just want to be loved and gets disappointed when she tries, even in the wrong circumstances, is very relatable.

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops

[@yeeyee2180]

When it comes to the “fighting over men” I disagree. It wasn’t that two random girls liked a guy and fought for his heart, one BEST friend didn’t check in with the other about starting a relationship with their ex. It’s not about the “fighting to win the heart” it’s about the friendship.

[@schadenfreudeegoism7485]

Exactly!!!!

[@lookitskatiex]

Yeah, I personally don’t agree you can’t date friends exes. My friend dated one of my exes right after he dumped me and I didn’t care. He was kind of a jerk and I gave her the Buyer Beware disclaimer. They’re not together and we’re still friends. Not letting some stupid guy ruin my friendship. Now, to be fair if she had lied to me I would have been more angry but I would have forgiven her anyway. Besides, she can’t go for my partner because he’s her cousin. 😂😂😂 I kid, she wouldn’t do that though. We’re adults now.

[@naheenisapoet69]

@@lookitskatiex hey that's true. But it would hurt if the ex meant a lot to her

[@lookitskatiex]

@@naheenisapoet69 I did love the guy but realized pretty quickly that he was trouble. I had a different attitude towards guys than a lot of my friends. I wouldn’t go crying after a guy, I’d just find a new one. No point in pining after someone who doesn’t love you back.

[@apieceoflife2732]

Exactly.Maddy didn't give a shit about Nate.She was broken because she decided to be with her abuser and for that she kept fooling and manipulating her.

[@janeesimmons9861]

I think what annoys Me is that a lot of people are putting the blame on Nate of “manipulating” and mentally and emotionally abusing cassie which he does but its only WHILE IN the relationship. Nate NEVER initiated the relationship, that was ALL cassie. In the beginning of s2 when they’re talking (cassie fully knowing how abusive and toxic nate was to maddy) when he asked her if she needed a ride to the party, she could’ve said “u know what, i dont think thats a good idea, i think im just gonna go home or take an uber to the party” but instead she said yes When they were driving in the car, it wasnt nate who pulled down cassie’s underwear, that was all cassie. He didnt force her to do it, or tell her to do it, he didnt even pulled down her underwear himself. Cassie did it herself because she took his kindness for granted and thought that he was interested in her ( which we dont know based on their interaction at that time if he was truly into her but in s1 he could care less about her, he saw her as disgusting) and because he’s a guy he probably thought to himself “well damn if she wants to fuck , then lets fuck” lol. And when they were at the party, he asked her multiple times “if ur ok with doing this, are u sure this is what u want, are u able to deal with the consequences?” (I don’t remember if that’s exactly the questions he asked, i would have to watch that ep again but it was about the same in that nature) and instead of saying “u know what, nvm i care too much about maddy to go this far” she said “yes” to all his questions and she continued to do what she did. Nate didnt initiate the affair, that was all cassie. Yes i do agree he was manipulative while they were having their affair (i dont call it a relationship because literally they were trying to hide it from maddy and everyone else so i call it an affair). So i think thats why i dont feel bad for her, and i dont relate to what she did cause she KNEW exactly what she was doing, she wasn’t manipulated into being in the affair, she STARTED the affair and i think a lot people forget about what truly happened for them to start the affair.

[@janeesimmons9861]

Sorry if its long, i didnt know how to shorten this comment without being fully clear 😂

[@londrisayala6238]

Facts

[@enzmondo]

I absolutely love the way you guys lay out complicated topics and unraveling them neatly for us to understand. I don’t even watch Euphoria but I truly appreciate the way you analyse Cassie’s character in the story and how the real world relates to her.

[@lilil9752]

My problem is that no one, not Maddy , nor Mrs Howard ,nor Kat,not Lexi, not even the very sensible Leslie (who granted, had her own problems to deal with),absolutely no one pointed out that Nate was Maddy´s ABUSER; thats why what Cassie did was wrong! ,but everyone still reduced the situation as "she banged her bf´s ex" as if Nate is some property (not that i have a single spec of sympathy for him, i don't) If only Maddy and Cassie show this mindset i would have passed it as teen inmadurity and both of them as blind of the real dangeer Nate represents,but the series really framed Cassie´s beat up as something well deserved. Also, Cassie gets punished for doing that...but Maddy gets absolutely no retribution for helping Nate frame and send Tyler to jail? Because the second thing is worse honestly. Cassie´s writing this season was atrocious and unfortunately i doubt she´ll get better because the audience was not opposed to her decay, but cheered at her beating up scene.

[@Tala-qj6tz]

preach

[@PinksInMyArea]

say it louder for the people on the back!!!

[@magdalenat3424]

Yes! Its not nice that your daughter is sleeping with her bff's ex, but it's DANGEROUS she's sleeping with abuser

[@alyssapinon9670]

Yes! That was the thing that made me disappointed in Cassie. But given that she’s made excuses for a lot of shitty men in her life starting with her own dad, it makes sense

[@bunnywavyxx9524]

exactly cassie is actively sleeping with a man who abused and tormented her own best friend and has NO remorse about it. It's actually sickening how people defend this

[@pretzellina]

I don’t love what Cassie has been doing, but I also don’t criticize her for it. I know I had similar thinking when I was a teen (and my early 20s). Her behavior is a reminder of who I used to be and I’m glad I’ve grown out of that phase. I hope she will, too.

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops

[@pretzellina]

@@baonguyenxuanthai711 Exactly!!

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

The part about how actually relatable Cassie's behavior is to young girl's is true for some people. I've seen this behavior but also amongst grown-ups. I've done this myself to some degree but I could never loose myself for someone else. A bit like Maddy but not completely. Which is why I am so disappointed at Cassie but still gets her. And it's often because of this patriarchal society brainwashing everyone, with an uterus, to behave that way while at the same time shaming us for doing it too. Damn if you do, damn if you don't. And it does tells us, no matter what gender, to loose ourselves into this one person because that's true love. No that's what's called toxic monogamy.

[@User-s23-m937sqrz]

I feel more sympathy for Cassie then probably any character In fiction. Because of how relatable she is to me. She is like the worst parts of us, that's why everyone hates her or finds her cringe worth. People act like she is the villain and feel unsympathetic, but if you have ever walked in those shoes you know exactly how hard it is

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops

[@villanelle2.0]

THANK YOU. I don't understand why people are so harsh on Cassie, I wish I could give her a hug. That smile when Nate finally noticed her was so innocent, like a child. It was almost heartbreaking. She definitely deserves more love and deserves to love herself.

[@KIM-kk5sj]

I'm genuinely curious if you'd still think like that if someone did the same thing to you that Cassie did to Maddie.

[@bellonacanino3422]

@@KIM-kk5sj I honestly doubt you've been a Maddie, much less a Cassie

[@jasonvargas7564]

@@KIM-kk5sj if my best friend did this, my best friend with a broken home and a traumatic childhood, my best friend who was the next victim of my abusive, manipulative, psychopathic ex, absolutely I’d still think she deserves to find love and love herself.

[@KIM-kk5sj]

@@bellonacanino3422 I don't understand your comment, what does one thing have to do with the other?

[@KIM-kk5sj]

@@jasonvargas7564 I never said that she didn't deserve love, I mean that you are going to get angry anyway regardless of your friend's traumas, it is a normal reaction, do not confuse things

[@hyperbunnygirl101]

This makes me actually want to watch the show. The way this character is portrayed reminds me of myself as a teen. Kinda heart wrentching

[@kelliezee]

Thats the only reason i watched. Sydney sweeney is a great actress

[@xepru]

same, and this makes me want to watch too. it is heart wrenching. but also strangely cathartic.

[@onettaviator5396]

I had a friend kind of like Cassie in high school. She never slept with anybody's ex or acted out for attention, but being constantly sexualized and craving male validation was a daily thing with her. She's doing mostly better now, thank god.

[@mewesquirrel6720]

🙄🤦

[@naheenisapoet69]

same...

[@Valent1ne.J4ne]

I completely despised Cassie’s character so much, she just really annoyed me for some reason. After watching this, I realize the reason I disliked her so much was because she reminded me of me in a long point in time of my life.

[@Chinky111987]

As much as Cassie irritated me this season, I definitely felt bad for her cause I get it. I developed very early, and the way I was treated by certain people definitely changed. Luckily I had pretty high self esteem even as a teen so I didn’t fall for certain things; but I definitely went through my fair share of trials and tribulations after I hit puberty as well. I’m 34 and I still feel trauma from my youth similar to Cassie sadly.

[@kcarusos1]

I don't know- there's definitely a part of me that feels that Cassie just wasn't written well and that Sam Levinson needs more female writers in the room. She seemed overly hysterical in the way that men write women as her character wasn't written with much empathy or that no one pulled her aside and asked hey, are you okay? It's almost like the trope that women are men-obsessed and overly emotional which would be a great TAKE video. How women, not men are perceived as overly emotional and irrational. What do you think?

[@user-nf9xm7is3m]

I think I worked at a strip club and met girls very similar to Cassie. The truth is lots of people mentally spiral in real life in the same. The truth is a lot of women put all their energy into validation and are traumatized and mentally unstable in the same way she is.

[@kaialove2418]

Nope not at all just the stereotype, there’s women out there who have spiralled mentally over a man because they desperately wanted to feel loved and had a lot of trauma to unpack. It’s called anxious attachment, fear of abandonment or love addiction. I know those all very well as I’m a woman with all 3.

[@ExeErdna]

@@kaialove2418 It's too easy to "throw away" trauma as bad writing. When really it isn't bad writing it's a storypath they didn't like. The only way we know Cassie is a victim is because we're observers yet in her world people don't know what we know. So we have to remember as viewers to not get attached to how plot swing. Trust there's a lot of IP's I cannot stand how the story turned as I simply checked out. Cassie on face value is "villainous" yet one's past doesn't forgive one's present or future. Since I know men aren't given much mercy for falling into their inner fury and hurting people.

[@ExeErdna]

@liliana I do because you really don't need all those writers they muddy the vision. Like a book don't need multiple, let'em rock. Also there's been women writing male characters solo and doing fine.

[@justateapot3847]

I don’t think it’s misogyny. Cassie actually does feel realistic in a way. Victims of abuse/neglect will typically seek out people they can latch onto for comfort due to past trauma regarding it, and Cassie being emotional over it is because she feels unloved by her peers. The crying is understandable since she latched onto Nate and he didn’t give her the time of day. The other female characters in the show don’t cry as much as Cassie because they haven’t been in her situation (aside from Lexi, though she processes her trauma differently).

[@mokosz_a]

I dont think we should forget about loyality. Why we shouldnt shame her when she betrayed trust of her best friend? Attention seeking behaviour shouldnt be praised.

[@trinaq]

That's true, even though Maddy and Nate were broken up, Cassie still violated the trust of her bestie.

[@jasonvargas7564]

Rue has betrayed everyone around her because of her addiction, yet everyone still fawns over her and gives her chance after chance after chance after chance. Even after her tornado of violence and betrayal in s2e5, Rue still has so many fans. Yet why is there no sympathy or understanding for Cassie? Her issues with her dad abandoning her at a young age, being seen as an object by creepy old guys since what, 13 years old? No guy her own age likes or respects her beyond using her for their own gratification. When and how was she meant to have self respect and self worth and be confident when all the people around her only ever see her as an object of desire to be used and then discarded, never really sticking around for anything meaningful (in terms of the guys)? Loyalty to girl friends is one thing and she messed up big time in that department with Maddie, of course. But in terms of guys and relationships, this is all she’s ever known. All she’s ever experienced.

[@Lee-tl9xo]

@@jasonvargas7564 Rue got shit for the things she did wdym

[@gabrielleporter553]

true, i think it’s fair that people should try to see both sides of cassies story. a sympathetic side that feels for her backstory but also people should acknowledge how she broke the loyalty and trust of her closest friend

[@jasonvargas7564]

@@Lee-tl9xo when? Her mother, her sister, Ali, Maddie, Lexi, (let’s not count Jules because she’s not in it 100% with her), Rue has a strong support system who still stands by her no matter what because they understand she has a disease to battle. Yet once Cassie’s tryst with Nate comes to light, where is HER support system? Suddenly she’s all by herself out in the cold with no one lending an understanding hand to her.

[@Nick-1117]

“If you feel your value lies in being merely decorative, I fear that someday you might find yourself believing that’s all that you really are. Time erodes all such beauty, but what it cannot diminish is the wonderful workings of your mind: Your humor, your kindness, and your moral courage. These are the things I cherish so in you. I so wish I could give my girls a more just world. But I know you’ll make it a better place.” Marmee - Little Women

[@kinda_cold_in_the_closet]

Idk bro everyone hated Cassie in season 2 but I still loved her. I related to her and I saw the effect guys had on her and I saw it in myself. The way men treat her, the way that she perceives herself, nothing made her a villain to me. Sure, it was bad that she did sleep with her best friend's ex, but no one talks abt the fact that Nate slept with his ex girlfriend's best friend. The way men use her and her _liking_ it is my greatest fear. It's the reason I will never date men- for fear that the misogyny that I have internalised over the years will come out and I will become exactly like Cassie. People saw her as stupid when she went for Nate when she _knew_ she was abusive, but that's *exactly* what the crew was going for. Everyone is so caught up with $lut shaming her that no one realises the absolute heartbreaking internalised misogyny that Cassie has. She goes for a man that she _knows_ is abusive, but who she knows will give her validation in the only way she knows. Everyone blames Cassie but no one talks about how the people around her shaped her to be like that until she actually became the monster they had imagined because it was the only way she knew how to get the attention and validation she so craved after her father's death. Everyone blames Cassie but no one talks about Nate. Everyone blames Cassie but no one talks about her mother. It's horrible, and I always, always was on her side.

[@vs5133]

We know how vindictive Nate can be. I think a huge part of him hooking up with Cassie was to get back at Maddy for dumping him. Cassie played right into it because Nate is intuitive like that, which is what makes him scary AF.

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops

[@thirstyforlaundrydetergent9664]

"Of the decade" we're only two years in

[@MyFictionalChaos]

I grew up with tumblr and not tiktok and I remember how we used to shame girls for wanting male attention and other unhealthy obsessions involving self esteem and self image instead of trying to help and educate them. Somewhere in the mid 2010s we started actually educating girls and young women that they didnt need male attention to be happy. And somehow that internet conversation has circled back into shaming them. We shouldnt shame people for not being educated (in any topic). It's okay for people to have flaws! Of course Cassie (and other girls/women) should stop going back to abusive relationships (among other issues) But mocking them doesnt help them recover from their problems. No matter what a woman goes through --if shes vain and pretty, sleeps around, booksmart, workaholic, etc. -- she is ridiculed for it, and we have to stop! And calling someone a "pick-me" or "quirky" DOESNT HELP.

[@r.e.485]

I feel for her since I went through something similar, but in a shorter period. I was used as bootycalls for my ex hoping it was love. He was very toxic to me and I was never happy with him, but I loved the attention he gave me. I was convinced the only way to keep him happy and with me was to keep having sex, even when I did not want to. Many people told me to leave and that he wasn't good/ didn't care for me, but I wanted to believe. It wasn't until I finally broke it off and had a healthy relationship with my now fiance, did I notice just how horrible it was and how easily I fell for it all.

[@HienPham-ow5ky]

I agree with this 100%, i can relate a lot to Cassie, and i always want her to snap out of it and grow as a person tbh, hopefully in season 3 they will develop her character

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops

[@user-hz4qf1wf5y]

I feel like people aren’t seeing this as a black and white issue from what I have seen and my opinion I think we can understand how society did her wrong and also see her as embarrassing like both can be true

[@imacoolmom4893]

Right

[@karlmarx2885]

Half of this can apply to Jules. They have such similar characters traits and yet people are only beginning to sympathize with Cassie.

[@day6atemywallet78]

McKay annoyed the hell out of me. He liked having Cassie around but also disliked her from what he was hearing Nate about Cassie like her being a hoe, her nudes and what not. McKay was crappy

[@akimjongun]

idk man imo if u get with ur friend's ex and are clearly too scared to even admit that to her until she finds out herself u know ur doing something wrong if u have to hide it

[@mayln163]

A moment that really stood out to me in season two was when Cassie was crying and trying to smile while looking in the mirror. I felt bad for her.

[@azra2263]

Thats why euphorias even better than people think. All the cassie hate stems from people subconsciously recognizing somw her behaviour im themsleves. All the girlies bashing her are actually bashing themselves for when they were 15 and OBSESSED with that one guy and running after him and making a fool out of themselves.

[@TulipsAtSunset]

Um, no. Never have I ever acted so desperately, for any guy, in high-school, middle school or as an adult, and niether did any of my friends. I chased one boy when I was 6. Once I learned that it's not achieving anything positive I grew out of it. Let's stop normalizing unhealthy behaviors. Cassie is abnormal, that character represents a disturbed personality style. Most people don't have Cassie tendencies, they develop those behaviors by observing toxic characters like her in the media, and permitting themselves to act that way. Had most of you never witnessed this kind of behavior, your internal mechnaism - embarrassment, a healthy and necessary emotion - would've stopped you from continuing to act that way. But what Hollyweird is doing now is removing all internal mechanisms for decency and ethics by normalizing all kinds of F'd behaviors and delusions, to make the next generation quite literally insane. Mentally unstable people, with a completely distorted moral compass are much easier to manipulate and control. They have no principles to stand up for, they have no inherent morality other than the morality prescribed to them by the state. A perfect population - docile, complacent, unable to think critically or for themselves, desperate to conformn to the prescribed norms.

[@stinesfloy]

Im not against or for really. I just pity her. Girls like Cassie build their whole identity on being loved by a partner. They search and desire to be someones someone and they so easily betray or forget their friends in favor of a partner. I had a friend like this once. She threw herself into relationships. Was extremly clingy and every guy that gave her the briefest kind of attention she fell madly in love with. She was never single or not in love for more than a couple of weeks. In the end our friendship ended when she hit on my boyfriend. I was angry at her at the time but looking back now I just feel sorry for her and the way she would build her identity and personality based on the person she was in love with. It….liKe nothing else mattered for her.

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops

[@ultdolls]

no one denies her trauma & her deep rooted issues. what started the huge backlash was how quick she was to betray her best friend given the chance. it's not about rivalry, it's the question of betrayal & how nasty it is. the main criticism should be at the creator & how terribly cassie was written in season two rather than the audience. cassie had great potential to be explored the proper way for the sake of giving representation to all the women who have went through what she has gone through yet she was wasted on fan service & drama that gets the people talking.

[@chloekrol7152]

I think the writting was pretty accurate. Cassie doing shit she is doing is her potential as a character - show, that sometimes you can become fucked up person and hurt people around you, ruin your realationship with people and etc, because you did not go to therapy. Making her good person or just somebody who suffer over and over from men will not make her line as realistic as it is now. Women who live for being love by men usually end up withou female friends around , because of their deep trauma and needs of men attention. I know a girl like Cassie, and she would 99% do the same. She always was wondering why she had no real friends. But the answer was simple - women did not want to be around her, because she always putted men first, and all men saw her as a potential girlfriend, because she flirted with every man, because of her need of men approval. Therefore, I think Cassie's line is great and shows the possible outcomes of her trauma perfectly.

[@EF-kk3vh]

imo, it would’ve been cool to see how the season would play out if she slept with Nate once while drunk out of her mind and abandoned on the side of the road, and her arc the rest of the season is her dealing with her guilt and how she was kind of taken advantage of and put in danger by Nate in the car rather than them continuing the relationship

[@pjuarez5]

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you, I fell the main reason several media outlets are coming out with videos like this is because it had to be represented (in this case on TV) for people to have open conversations about it, because it's something that happens on real life, just like Rue or Jules, even Maddy have issues and I guess that what they are trying to depict here is how someone can be marginalized or how their trumas can be pushed aside based just on "looks"

[@PinksInMyArea]

@@pjuarez5 exactly

[@kiriki4558]

Everyone denies her trauma the moment that they want everyone to fovus in seeing her as the worst, as unforgivable and deserving of endless paint (More abuse and trauma).

[@kristensoriano193]

Empathy and sympathy are two different things. I can empathize with Cassie, meaning, I can understand why she behaves the way she does. I do not sympathize with Cassie, meaning, I don't feel bad for her, especially in regards to what she did to Maddy.

[@pjuarez5]

Same can be said about Maddy, she sent an innocent man to prison... and she had already accused him of taking advantage of her... so Cassie did wrong but so did everyone else in that show, it shows you that life it's complex and that no-one is perfect but people seem to only go after the girl who broke the girls code...

[@robertaavila4744]

Empathy is basic the ability of imagine yourself feeling what another person is living. If you don't feel bad for Cassie, you definitely can't empathize with her.

[@kristensoriano193]

@@pjuarez5 Perfectly put. There's so many thoughts I have about Cassie, and all of the characters really, but I just didn't want to jam it into a comment section.

[@trinity3877]

@@pjuarez5 y’all act like Maddy did that for fun. She did it for her abuser and Tyler was hardly innocent he had sex with a minor (and no Maddy didn’t lie about her age). He would’ve most likely gone to jail anyway since Nate got him to take the blame anyway and got Jules as a witness

[@pjuarez5]

@@trinity3877 So a person can be given a pass for doing certain things because she was in an abusive relationship and others are just vilified for basically having a bunch of issues and lack of self-worth? Got it.... Sorry but what you're saying doesn't excuse Maddy from her actions either and I don't see the same energy for other characters compared to the people who lost their sh!t because of "girl code". I agree that Maddy was still a minor and Tyler was older but she did it only to make Nate jealous, she had already planned to say that she had blacked out and she didn't remember anything, she premeditatedthe whole thing... but granted she was still a minor, however the reason he was sent to jail was for what Nate did to her! She, didn't want that for Nate because she also like the lifestyle that he gave her, in the show she was never one bit of remorseful of what she did because again she premeditated it to make her abuser jealous (the sentence was going to be worse for Tyler yeah no doubt but still she didn't make amends at all, where's her lesson?) And despite all this I can still see through and understand thats she's a teenager and have empathy and compassion for her too but that's what I mean unlike Cassie (the other TEENAGER in the story) she had the support of her friends, school, public and most importantly her mom, (the dad at first did but he has his alcohol problems) Maddy's mom has always tried to give her the best and to protect her, she might of exaggerated about the p3do thing because was he was rrested but she was taking no chances to have Maddy exposed to that, whereas Cassie was sexualized since she was a kid, you can clearly see how uncomfortable she was even around her relatives or friends of the family when they where feeling her on her birthday and I ask you where's the empathy and compassion for this other teenager? So no, I believe strongly that other characters have done way worse than her and that everyone dismissed her feelings and only focused on that in the end, Nate was also responsible for what happened, she was remorseful, she tried to k!ll herself and Nate kept manipulating things saying that if Maddy found out she was going to k!ll her... but no the abusive part only applies for Maddy... And my intention is not to drag Maddy in the end she was hurt by her friend, she has the right to feel the way she does but what I find hard to believe it's that the audience (aka viewers) decided to basically lynch this "character" of a TEENAGER girl who made a mistake, dismissed all of her arc and gave everybody else a pass and she is getting the most hate? (I saw a comment comparing her to Hitler..saying that at one point he was also in a bad mental state and that he shouldn't be excused of his actions...like what? There's actual murders and very unstable characters and she's the one closest to Hitler?) Honestly if you don't see the hypocrisy than I don't know what to tell you...

[@OMGitsShrimp]

Whats ironic about Cassie’s pursuit of love driving her to betray her friends is, her friendship with Maddy was the closest thing to real love she had in her life but she couldn’t see that and ended up throwing it all away. Maddy was her friend so her love was platonic but it was still love nonetheless.

[@BlueSupermoon20]

I honestly think a lot of people hate her because they see some of themselves in her. Yes, she has made terrible mistakes. But it’s hard to see a woman be desperate for a man who doesn’t want her because… who among us hasn’t been on some level desperate over someone who didn’t care, especially in HS? A lot of girls want to be Maddie who is EQUALLY broken and has done morally shady shit. But Cassie is a less savory, less cool, messy version.

[@zaniyyahjacobs2499]

I don't think she stole him. I think that sleeping with your best friend's ex boyfriend is wrong. Especially if he was abusive to her and you've witnessed it. This isn't about a boy it's about the principles of friendship and what you'll do to hold on to that friendship or if you'll betray that friendship.

[@AriesGirl7719]

This!!!

[@chloekrol7152]

And also about lying. She could easily at least say Maddie like: I think I like Nate and he is interested in me as well. I want to give it a try. And after that I don't think in theory Maddie would look okay from the perspective of viewers if she just what? Prohibited her to date with a man that no longer her?

[@angelsin2530]

@@chloekrol7152 I think Maddie would be well within her rights to hate Cassie for wanting to date someone who abused her, emotionally and physically and eventually held a gun to her head. Cassie being interested at all in Nate is an unforgivable betrayal point blank period

[@fionamarcotte2810]

She didn't know he was abusive tho If I rememeber correctly. Didn't Maddie tell her something like "I don't know if your brain is all scrambled from all the molly you took but I never said that. Spread a lie like that and I'll fkn end you" when Cassie asked if she was abused.

[@fionamarcotte2810]

@@angelsin2530 yes except she didn't know about the abuse. But I get it it's unforgivable. But her actions shouldn't be punished by her sister who had nothing to do with the situation

[@PokhrajRoy.]

Although we shouldn’t judge or mock Cassie, but is it wrong of me to enjoy that “Why are you dressed like ‘Oklahoma’?” moment?

[@TheKrazysexykool]

I totally agree. That was hilarious and looked kind of true

[@alejandrocervantes3624]

"but in a good way, or a bad way?👀💀"

[@samanta7089]

"Bitch, you better be joking"

[@starkindifference9715]

Yeees, the comparison of "a girl stealing someone's bf" and "boys fighting over a girl" is just on point. In my opinion the biggest mistake of cassie was lying to maddy. I feel sorry for her and I don't consider her to be a bad person. She clearly needs help from specialist, otherwise she's never gonna love and appreciate herself and this type of situations are gonna happen over and over again. Maddy is somehow obsessed with Nate too which is irrational due to the fact he abused her and i guess the minute she knew cassie slept with him could already mean maddy automatically won cause cassie fell in love with an abuser and a mentally unstable person

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭

[@rudiedavis4407]

As I was watching euphoria I saw a lot of my childhood and teen years reflected in Cassie’s story. It honestly helped me let go of a lot of the guilt I had surrounding my teen years. I enjoyed this video because it perfectly sums up the burden of growing up conventionality attractive that a lot of young girls get shamed for feeling, myself included.

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops

[@ritapilled3797]

Same here, I see a lot of myself in her

[@bellaloves2815]

We aren’t really judging her for being sexual or trying to figure out how to cope with rejection and accepting herself, it’s more so the fact that she stabbed her best friend in the back, didn’t take accountability for her actions and tried to compare herself to/judge those who live completely different lives and have their own demons they are battling and blame others for her actions. And then act like Maddie was wrong for being mad/hurt and that she was the innocent victim when she knew EXACTLY what Nate did to Maddie and how badly Maddie relied on her as her best friend to be her support system and be honest to. Cassie became a horrible person and I hope she can live with the mistakes she made and become a better person later on because she was wrong. She is young and has time to grow up, reflect, turn herself around, but she needs to accept her faults for what they were and how she completely ruin Maddie and hers friend ship and made it so Maddie is going to have a hard time truly trusting someone like she did Cassie. The way society sexualized her from a young age isn’t right and is vile, she is a product of her environment but it doesn’t excuse her actions herself and I hope she overcomes the role society has set out for her Edit: nate and Cassie are nowhere near the same for their actions. Cassie was wrong for what she did, and she needs to accept that so she can move on with her life and grow as a person, Nate needs to be in prison. Maddie did wrong too, don’t get me wrong, sending Tyler to jail was not right but I think she did it out of fearful love more than real love cause she was scared of nate and was in denial of what nate really was, which she learned after he pointed the gun at her then threaten to kill himself on top of her just to mess her up psychologically. Cassie’s betrayal is a personal one and very much realistic to how young people act but people need to look back at those problems and take accountability rather than just crying victim and blaming others for their actions which I hope Cassie does in the next season. I still hope the best for her character but this season was just so much of the worst sides of her coming out all at once and never letting people tell her the truth. She is emotionally hurting and I can understand it but it doesn’t justify her actions. Like rue did with Ali and her family, Cassie needs to realize what she did and apologize, not expect forgiveness immediately or ever, and go from there to be a better person

[@gabrielasosa9146]

t h i s s s s. Understand does not equal justify.

[@TheBrownSnicker]

she's a teenager, people make mistakes. This is not an unrealistic or uncommon story?

[@jalightbourne]

@@TheBrownSnicker People make mistakes, and then there are consequences for those mistakes.

[@MrAilsaAng]

exactly!!!!

[@MrAilsaAng]

i’m 2 minutes in & i can’t get through the video bc most of the tweets i’ve read about cassie were just expressing frustration at her behavior & criticizing her betrayal to maddie, not the fact that she was struggling w self esteem issues 🙄

[@lxxeax7446]

My issue with all of this is this: Maddie knows that Cassie is extremely naive and easily manipulated. She also knows that Nate is an abuser and manipulator. And her reaction to this whole thing is to beat Cassie up..? No concern whatsoever that Cassie might've been manipulated or is facing the same abuse that she did. It's just very odd to me. Also, the amount of abuse that Cassie is facing is absolutely ridiculous, considering that other characters on the show have done way worse. What she did was horrible, but nothing compared to a false rape allegation or physical assault.

[@draculaissus6120]

this is what I've been looking to see everyone is just focusing on the bestfriends ex part and not the issue as a whole

[@mariamherreros9991]

I agree! Although I understand Maddy being upset since Nate had been such a tumultuous and intense chapter in her life and Cassie was her current support system. However, Maddy was manipulated into lying about that too, I agree with extending our empathy for Cassie and to me, she's a victim, but so was Maddy in that situation. They both have been mistreated and misunderstood. She wasn't in the right state of mind at all, as depicted in that specific episode, plus Tyler isn't innocent, he DID commit statutory rape (it's his responsibility as the adult to make sure she wouldn't be lying about her age). I think it's very irresponsible that those who side with Cassie tend to shame Maddy for this, but if women in physically and emotionally abusive relationships statistically side with their abuser, it's because they have been manipulated. It was also against her will to report it at all, which is incredibly traumatizing, and she was harassed by the police, it is clear that it wasn't a malicious action but a desperate one. As the victim of assault, she went along with a plan that Nate created to cover himself, it could have been anything. We as the audience may be in shock knowing what Nate did to Tyler in the first place, but Maddy herself knew nothing about that, or about Jules, and we need to understand her actions through her situation as a teenager being abused.

[@PeachSweetxo]

I think we lose empathy for people far quicker than we choose to give it.

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh

[@PeachSweetxo]

@@baonguyenxuanthai711 I agree! We can understand what mental health does to people and how it affects them, but we can also hold people accountable. Which is why I too love that her family did not condone what she did. I relate to her, especially with how her sexualization has effected her. I’m down for given grace to her and all the characters of Euphoria.

[@abbied]

And then there’s people who just have no empathy at all whatsoever 😔😔😔😔

[@93abc123]

Nate and Cassie's relationship is what Sasuke and Sakura's relationship would look like in real-life. Sakura is the anime version of Cassie, pining for a guy that doesnt give a nanosecond of consideration. Like Nate, Sasuke is abusive and humiliate her countless times (not to mention tried to kill her twice). At the very least, people see what SasuSaku's relationship would look like in real life and realize how fucking terrified it would be. If you still think it is a good romance, you are either in denial or not living on the same fucking planet earth.

[@coopermakescasksandbarrelsP]

they still fucked tho

[@DesignzRUs1]

What irritates me even MORE is that Sasuke and Sakura end up married with a kid…that felt so forced.

[@bergercookie]

Let’s just all stop being offended by everything and take responsibility for our actions. We can’t control what people think and feel about us. Grow tf up . Nothings ever going to be good enough if we keep the mindset of “ don’t judge me “ . Be stronger and keep it moving.

[@Shauniiiiiiiii]

Cassie was so beautifully written in season one, there was so much nuance to her character and how the world around her affected her personality and self esteem. For season 2, she was straight up written as a villain, and was almost a caricature of her season 1 self. There was very little nuance, and the screen writer literally scripting her as doing a whole host of terrible things (just for the drama, if interviews are to be believed) then daring the audience to judge her/see her as a villain is a bit strange imo. Like, what do you expect? We never even saw her feeling a shred of remorse for how hurt maddie would be, she got with Nate at first opportunity, with no hesitation, all he had to di was break the speed limit and she threw her panties off lmao. Idk, it really seems like Sam Levinson wanted to humiliate the character of Cassie just because. He wrote her as villainous and pitiful - a stark contrast from her season 1 self and where her character's headspace was at by the last episode of season 1- and didn't even show what triggered it? Has she never seen nate before or something? We didn't even get much of a look inside her head to justify it, or what it was about Nate that she even liked. There was nothing. I don't empathise her because she wasn't written as a real person, she was just a collection of "other woman" tropes. Sydney Sweeney is a great actress though, she really carried that role and did the best she could with it, but its a shame they didn't give her a less nonsensical storyline. Here's hoping for season 3!

[@baonguyenxuanthai711]

Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops

[@Evey94Marti]

Na, just na, don't try to justify her behaviour towards her closest friend since childhood with feminism, doesn't work. First of all: she is a 16 year old teenager not a woman, so of course we don't judge her sexuality here but it's fair to say that a 16 year old girl growing up in the 2000s should have been knowing better than to just act completely selfish. I am not saying we should be shaming people who did this for eternity or anything like that but we should definitely point out to younger people that no matter your gender or your disadvantages through society, you'll still have to stand up for your own mistakes, having it hard shouldn't make it easy for you to give zero fucks about your so called best friend.

[@Evey94Marti]

@@dippy8053 yeah, so what, I am 27 now and I tell you with girls like Cassie who've got this particular behaviour caused by trauma and a hyper sexualised, male focused society it's gonna take a little bit longer until she get's what selfrespect really means, we shouldn't shame girls for this but showing in a fictional series with a fictional character like Cassie what the outcome of dependency of male approval can cost you is important. This discussion shouldn't be about blame anyway. People who are not constantly confused by their hormones or woke ideology get that.

[@Evey94Marti]

@@dippy8053 I agree with you and I also dearly hope that they write her a plausible but strong development because I feel like a lot of girls need to see this, all of it and especially that there's a way out.

[@fionamarcotte2810]

Objectively speaking is sleeping with your best friend's ex worst than sending an innocent man in prison or selling hard drugs or actually cheating on your gf or publically humiliating someone in front of a high school. That's the problem. Yall can't pick and chose. If you hold her accountable better hold them all accountable

[@coopermakescasksandbarrelsP]

@@dippy8053 a "choice" backed up by delusional beliefs within the self ceases to be a choice at some point and take the form of a survival mechanism. at this point, this is the only way cassie knows how to make peace with her painful past. however, if givem the right amount of therapy she has the potential to heal

[@Evey94Marti]

@@fionamarcotte2810 ehm no, no one said anything here about comparing the faults of one person to the misdoings of another. Besides: please start using your brain and realise this is a very thought through piece of television art and not just another novela where you pick a favourite character and have cheap fights over them with your mom, please treat the work of these artists accordingly. Cassie's Story isn't told that way so we shame her or anybody else or people who have done similar things, everybody who has not only watched the show but carefully seen it, knows that, every loving mother and sister knows why Cassie acted how she acted, it's there for us to learn. You can acknowledge one's mistakes and still don't deem them a "bad person". Defending Cassie in this particular case wouldn't help her if she'd exist.