Everything Wrong With CinemaSins: Barbie in 28 Minutes or Less

[@Th3Birdman]

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[@JJ_R]

Doing well, so far.

[@danavixen6274]

Pretty good. Hope you're well B!

[@ZenoSsj4Hero]

Same ol’ human being. How are you feeling?

[@thezenlu]

That final Capitalism comment hurt.

[@Teon5072]

No, not really

[@otisl.1422]

Ken is able to sneak into the back seat of the car despite all of the other Barbies being able to see the backseat because Barbieland follows little kid logic. Ken was not in the backseat when Barbie left. But then a kid decided "Oh, and Ken snuck in the backseat."

[@j3ssthealien283]

Exactly that's why the car flips over instead of just swerving because a little kid wants the drama

[@otisl.1422]

@@j3ssthealien283 and it's why Barbie floats from her house to the ground. Kids don't make their dolls walk up and down the stairs.

[@gabrielleduplessis7388]

I did not even think of that.

[@reneep4269]

Hahaha that makes more sense. I was just thinking the Barbies care so little for Ken that they didn't see him

[@brenyatta]

It’s also why Barbie & Ken don’t kiss like normal and Ken had no idea what he’d be staying over at Barbie’s house for. Kids would either hover or tap the dolls’ faces together to simulate kissing

[@TheAnonyomusGuy]

Fun Fact: The most popular ken doll was the 'Cool' Ken, which was basically a gay clubber, and due to its popularity with the gay community, it was discontinued and is now a sought after collection item

[@elliee884]

Wait is that “Cock-Ring Ken”?

[@TikiDragon1]

That's fascinating and also frustrating

[@coolkooplinggaming1500]

I saw a video on that, it's an interesting story

[@TheAnonyomusGuy]

@@TikiDragon1 If I remember correctly this was during the early to mid nineties

[@backslash4141]

​@TikiDragon1 why is that frustrating? It was a kids toy and was clearly appealing to the wrong audience, it makes complete sense to pull it and promote something else.

[@bullymaguire7693]

25:51 i appreciate this point, but i would like to point out how masculism isn’t taken seriously because it is used as a toxic trait to argue against and disregards women’s issues typically online, and it’s sad to see that. all issues affecting all genders should be taken equally as seriously by everyone, so while it sucks that general society doesn’t acknowledge men’s issues properly, we as men also need to take masculism and feminism seriously. we can’t paint feminists as “female supremacists who all hate men and want them all to die and are woke” just as much as we can’t let people think masculinists (idk the proper term my bad) are all woman hating male supremacists who think women are just a tool to make more men.

[@captainbozo01]

Very well said!

[@N.I.A23]

I don't need their help nor do I require their fake sympathy. I say awful and demeaning things to them not because lf masculinity but because I enjoy it.

[@N.I.A23]

Why do I need to get along with people whom I hated since my heart was formed???

[@ZoanBlade90]

​@@N.I.A23 "The best revenge is not to be like your enemy." *Marcus Aurelius*

[@modmaker7617]

Insteadof a patricarchy or matricarchy we need something for equal-gender

[@Splackavellie85]

My sister actually had the pregnant Barbie. If I remember correctly, the problem most people had with it is that she had a flat stomach as soon as you removed the baby.

[@FitzyyLives]

I thought the problem was that it was " teaching our children to get pregnant" or some bullshit like that

[@YahhSirio]

maybe the creepy hole in her stomach

[@comedyblastYT]

I thought the problem was that the fetus being folded up in the removable stomach was just creepy lol

[@dixiecripps7792]

I thought it was because Madge was supposed to be a teenager and was therefore a teen mom? Or possibly cause she was a single mother

[@e-heromanny4348]

@@comedyblastYT I thought the problem was that the baby was a choking hazard 😅

[@KeanenSpence]

At 13:10 while you’re not wrong men are victims of violent crime more you’re also kind of ignoring that the vast vast majority of sexual crimes are enacted upon women, that’s clearly what this scene was referring to

[@Th3Birdman]

A large percentage of violent crimes against women will be sexual, yes. That's just the nature of the beast, unfortunately. However, that's not what the scene is saying. Ken specifically states that he feels no undertone of violence; this is because men ALMOST NEVER feel afraid in public spaces. Please read what I put ON THE SCREEN, I don't do that for my health. It specifically outlines that women have an **irrational** fear of violence that is not supported by evidence, and that men underestimate the threat of violence. The scene is specifically outlining a reality but came to the wrong conclusion.

[@KeanenSpence]

@@Th3Birdman ok yeah that’s my bad I was just listening with phone in pocket and headphones in, didn’t see what was on the screen

[@Mr007no2]

@@Th3BirdmanI honestly figured that the whole thing with Ken and Barbie’s view on the real world was part of the whole “becoming more human when out of the Barbie world” and naturally Ken has that perception of “I don’t feel threatened because I’m a man and can fight anyone” while Barbie has the irrational fear thinking every man wants to get them. I feel that this is more of a satire on how we as a society have trained men to be strong and powerful and to not express emotion because that signifies weakness, and that women must be careful of what they do or what to wear to avoid “setting them off” the problem is how we have been taught the wrong lessons and by default separating us rather than living together with no issue. I feel that this was the message of the movie, especially since they do address Ken’s feelings about feeling useless without Barbie and that no one needs to fill a certain quota to feel whole, and that as long as your happy with who you are, that’s enough. I do understand the criticism about the ken’s role in congress in that world, but I think it was more or less played as a joke, so it never bothered me. I’m not at all saying you’re wrong, you do present good arguments and explain them well. And I’ll admit I could be reading too deep into it, it’s just what I got out of the overall message and theme of the movie

[@Lazarus_Cardinalis]

​@@Th3Birdmanwhy do you lean so much on biological essentialism? Dismissing deminist sociology outright seems quite anti-intellectual. Obviously there are.many aspects to be critiqued, but humans are not only driven by biological urges, but society and culture shape the way in which those urges are manifested

[@Th3Birdman]

@@Lazarus_Cardinalis "why do you lean so much on biological essentialism? " Why are you posting irrelevant comments here? Nothing in this thread is biological essentialism. "Dismissing deminist (sic) sociology outright seems quite anti-intellectual" This sounds like you're new to the game. If one has been engaging with rhetoric for years, found it to be lacking and debunked it, they would very likely dismiss that rhetoric outright when it comes up later. Your issue is that you've very clearly not heard objections to the things you believe, and therefore think that people not taking obvious bullshit seriously is them being anti-intellectual. But seriously ask yourself-- why isn't this your reaction to when I dismiss flat earther rhetoric, or Right Wing rhetoric? Isn't it just as "anti-intellectual" or is it because you also agree with me that it's OK when I don't take them seriously either??? The truth is, sociology is only taken seriously by sociologists. It's not a serious field of "study", despite its serious sounding name. They don't actually produce any studies of value, and are quite literally anti-scientific being that their results are usually not replicable and do not make predictions and thus have no scientific merit. I am not a philosopher; I am a science communicator, and a person that follows reason, logic, math, statistics and facts. I am without bias, and by definition, I cannot support ideological claims made by sociologists. Therefore, it is unreasonable to ask me to engage with ideological points made by those with agendas. There is a reason nearly 100% of sociologists are Left Wing-- it is ideology masquerading as science, and is by definition itself anti-intellectual. "Obviously there are.many aspects to be critiqued, but humans are not only driven by biological urges, but society and culture shape the way in which those urges are manifested" This statement reeks of ill-informed ideological cinnamon swallowing. Jesus Christ. Before I dig too deeply into this box of tarantulas, answer me one question: Do you honestly believe that culture is something that springs up into being without the influence of biology?

[@Misc_Mischief]

25:51 I like this speech, I really do, but there’s a major problem. The word to represent advocacy for women empowerment, “Feminism”. Is more commonly known for an obvious reason. Historically, Men have had power, men have been allowed to vote, get jobs, serve in the military, etc. that’s precisely WHY there had to be so many movements for women’s rights. MEN could vote, MEN could get a job, if we look back even FURTHER we can see that in ANCIENT GREECE sexism was a massive problem. Athena’s most popular Parthenon was “Man defender”, Athens was FAMOUSLY misogynistic, things like Sexual Assault and Abuse was far more common for WOMEN. Look at the Salem witch trials, persecution for women with little to no basis, look at the 60s, where domestic abuse was commonplace- but if a woman even TOUCHED a man it was madness. To not sound dramatic, modernly, a lot of things have been solved, and Men face a plethora of harmful stereotypes, the idea that they cannot feel or be vulnerable, ask for help, that they cannot express themselves “femininely”, how difficult it is for people to recognize the abuse they face, the point of feminism isn’t to ignore this, it’s to create equality. Some “feminists” are crazy nut jobs who contribute to the problem, many WOMEN are misogynistic themselves, so, why isn’t “Masculinism” a thing? Because personal biases and societal standards/bigotry are DIFFERENT. The Wage gap between men and women, for example, is very real, the total LACK of any female president in America’s history? There are very real social walls here. That’s not even mentioning Black Women, who have it the HARDEST, fighting against racist AND sexist stigmas, that being said, why aren’t there any WHITE advocacy groups? Why isn’t there a BLM for white people?? Because White People, while not being as supremely worshipped by society anymore (ALLEGEDLY), don’t need to fight tooth and Nail for rights, you hear success stories about Black trailblazers because those people DESERVE to be remembered more than a privileged white kid, Obama was the first BLACK president, it’s significant because Black Americans are OPPRESSED. Racism is a much bigger problem, do not misunderstand me, but to start championing how a movement that began from pure desperation and a NEED to be equal is bad because there’s not a word for the other side that HAS advantages in our modern era is goofy.

[@Th3Birdman]

I like your comment, but there are a few misconceptions that need to be addressed. "The Wage gap between men and women, for example, is very real, the total LACK of any female president in America’s history? There are very real social walls here" I acknowledge there is some bias against the idea of a female president. Without getting too far into the weeds, there are some explanations for this (and again, YES, I agree sexism is one of these things). I will say that Hilary was the absolute WORST choice my state made, and that led to Trump getting elected. However the wage gap has been thoroughly examined and debunked (on the basis of sexism). It exists; the problem is the way people like yourself present it. You just said the wage gap is a social wall. This implies that it is imposed on women, and not something they have anything to do with. The fact is women do not work as many hours as men (1), take more sick/vacation time (2), and choose lower paying positions (3) Source 1: scholar.harvard.edu/files/goldin/files/goldin_equalpay-cap.pdf Source 2: www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-do-women-take-more-sick-days-than-men-jelena-ilic/ Source 3: www.marketwatch.com/story/women-are-overrepresented-in-lower-paying-jobs-its-costing-them-billions-of-dollars-ab234f8#:~:text=Women%20make%20up%20nearly%20two,employees%2C%20a%20new%20report%20shows. These account for the gap in wages between the genders. "...why aren’t there any WHITE advocacy groups?" Oh, but there are lol. Frankly, I find trying to equate women's advocacy with racism expressly distasteful. Do not forget that men AND women participate and participated in racism, today and historically. Women didn't have the right to vote, but they were still a whole human; my ancestors were considered ACTUAL property. These concepts are not even close to being comparable in scope. Maybe you have a case in the middle east, but you're very clearly speaking about Western civilization. I personally detest when other groups try to equate their issues with racism in the West, because it's not even close to the horrors faced by Black people in this country. Remember, Black people are a severe minority in the United States, accounting for something like 14% of the population. Women, on the other hand, are ~51% of the United States population. Women are actually THE MAJORITY in the West. Women have the capability and numbers to fight whatever oppression they feel they are experiencing. Black people have to rely on the charity of other groups to make any progress. It's not the same AT ALL. I know that's not what you were saying, but even bringing them up in the same context is fallacious.

[@chilling_koala]

​@@Th3Birdmanthere are a few things I find distasteful in your comment as well. It gives 'well it was worse for my folks, yours can't complain' vibes. I feel like you are trying to disregard woman's issues just because they are currently more focused on than man's issues. Women were considered whole humans back then, but weren't treated as such. I also don't understand the freakouts about this movie (not yours, but the reactions in general). Men had masculinist and outright women-hating medias, compared to which Barbie is actually solid, for ages (just read Ken Kesey's One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest for example) and I haven't seen such a wide range of criticism and hate towards those

[@zanlancer4426]

I feel like you’re misunderstanding the point BirdMan is trying to make here. He’s not trying to say that feminism is unimportant or unnecessary, he’s just pointing out the hypocrisy that men have a much harder time getting society to accept that they even have issues in the first place while women’s issues have been a known and studied subject for quite a while now. As was said, struggle is a universal issue and both men and women have issues that relate to there gender, but only one of those gender’s issues is taken seriously.

[@Th3Birdman]

@@chilling_koala "It gives 'well it was worse for my folks, yours can't complain' vibes" I honestly do not care. Equating female-based sexism in the modern West with anti-black racism is the epitome of "yes, children in Africa are starving, but the barista got my order wrong". If there's one thing I will not let you people do, it's equate your hangnails with my people being hanged. Fuck outta here. If you want to talk about sex based discrimination that women faced, fantastic, let's do that. Just don't bring up anti-black racism in America as a comparison, because it doesn't fucking compare. "I feel like you are trying to disregard woman's issues just because they are currently more focused on than man's issues" Fortunately, what you "feel" is not often what reality is. I never disregarded women's issues. Read the comments. I acknowledge there are issues women face, and have agreed there are areas we need to work to fix them. My issue here was trying to equate the Black person's struggle with the Western woman's, which are night and day. Women participated and continue to participate in the subjugation of my people. Black people are not committing sex-based discrimination crimes against 51% of the population. Black culture currently is a matriarchy. We are not your enemy, but you are and historically have been ours, unfortunately. "Women were considered whole humans back then, but weren't treated as such" Here we go. You're doing the thing I'm asking you not to do. Women absolutely WERE treated as such, what are you talking about? Not having the right to vote is not the same as having an entire war fought to own you. We didn't have the right to vote either, in case that wasn't clear. Women have been able to own property since 1862-- my people were still considered property then. The 13th amendment wouldn't exist for another 3 years.

[@thataintfalco7106]

I’ve always thought body positivity wasn’t promoting an unhealthy lifestyle, but that it meant you shouldn’t hate yourself over it and that you can improve without actively insulting yourself.

[@Th3Birdman]

The fat acceptance branch of body positivity is a different beast. There are plenty of resources that will show you this, but there is outright hostility from that side towards eating healthy, and moving more. They obfuscate studies on obesity, lie about the role hormones play in metabolism and lie about calories in/calories out. These things have a tangible effect on people that do not know better. If you look at the study I posted on the screen, it states that this branch has correlated with higher body weight over time. The effect is real. As far as the promotion of unhealthy lifestyle, surely you're not naive. Haven't you noticed that nearly every face of this "movement" is obese or morbidly obese? You never see someone shredded or actual doctors promoting this stuff. The advocates of a thing matters; if you constantly see something, you begin to think it's normal. It's just human psychology.

[@thataintfalco7106]

@@Th3Birdman oh I know that I was wrong. I’ve just thought that body positivity was used poorly and transformed into something I never thought it was, like the word woke. It started innocent enough but was used by people that didn’t understand it. Idk if Im speaking out of my ass but I guess that’s how I think of it.

[@covergirl7110]

@Th3Birdman I feel like both of these things can be true at the same time. I mean, of course there will always be some form of extreme in any group or movement. But I really think that whenever someone is genuinely trying to talk about body positivity it’s supposed to help with your boosting your self confidence and reminding you that you’re not going to look like everyone else/no body is perfect and that you should cherish the one that you have. But idk, I do understand what you’re saying though. I’m not denying that there are individuals that try to push unhealthy behaviors. I just wish that maybe you didn’t make body positivity look so bad, you know? lol

[@Th3Birdman]

​@@covergirl7110 Unfortunately, I operate in reality, and the fact is that FA has had a negative affect overall, and that should be engaged with. What I am referring to is the norm, not an "extreme". These groups are mainstream, and they obfuscate and outright lie about research in this field. Obesity is a disease (fact), one that is curable by moving more and eating less (fact), but also one that is associated with myriad adverse health effects (fact). FA seeks to normalize obesity, under the guise of "acceptance" (which is actually body neutrality, not positivity, which ENCOURAGES these poor behaviors). No matter how you look at that, this is a negative for society at large, and as I showed in the video, there has been an associated rise in obesity ever since, with a (predictable) decline in life expectancy. It's amazing how I go through the painstaking task of actually researching the topic, putting the evidence on-screen, and you all STILL come here talking about how you "feel". With all due respect, we're not talking about how you feel. We are talking about things that are demonstrably true.

[@barisbal7782]

@@Th3Birdman *''society at large''* hehe...

[@antonrosengren3291]

Wow, really interesting to hear this interpretation/usage of “feminism”, as a term only applied to females and their issues. In my upbringing and education, in Sweden, I have been taught that feminism isn’t a “women-only” term, but an “everyone” term. Here (Sweden) being a feminist means that you strive for equality and improved living conditions for everyone.😊

[@Th3Birdman]

This is the lie they sell you to bring you over to that side. Feminism (was) the advocacy of females and platforming of their issues in the hopes to place them at equitable status with males in society. It is expressly for the advocacy of WOMEN. That’s why it is called “feminism” and not “everyonism”. It operates under the assumption that women are not equal to men in society, therefore it makes no sense for it to be described as “equality for everyone”. Men are already above everyone else in feminist theory, and you will not find a single feminist picketing outside a family court, seeking to end biases against men in child custody cases, for example. Perhaps you are describing intersectionality, which is a concept that seeks equality for everyone. Radical feminists aren’t even intersectional these days; quite a few of them exclude trans women.

[@Grievous-nx3iu]

Yeah where I live (Australia), people who believe in intersectionality are labelled as feminist. I think they're trying to reclaim the word feminist from TERFS and other crappy exclusionary groups

[@antonrosengren3291]

@@Th3Birdman It seems to me that we have come across two different ideologies, with two entirely different goals, using the same name (feminism). I am very much on “that side”, women have been, and still are in many places of the world, second class citizens. It sounds to me that the American “feminists” you describe want to bring men down to the level and standards of women. Whilst us Swedish feminists strive to bring women up to the level and standards of men 😀 Also, all the statistics and issues you bring up in the video about how men also suffer in different ways are 110% correct and those should also be highlighted and improved upon. It saddens me to learn that you (a man in America) is feeling/experiencing a society that ignores the issues of male individuals. That’s not the case over here, where I’m from (from my perspective atleast, their might be Swedes that have different experiences I don’t know about). Also I want to thank you, in the begging of the video Jeremy makes a joke about LA/California not being a good reference/representation of the normal world, and I laughed. But then you explained that it’s just parts of the city that have been gentrified that Jeremy and most of the world (me included) think of. Your explanation really opened my eyes, thank you for broadening my insight/understanding/perception of your hometown and the change it’s been forced to 🙏 🥰

[@jlo9993]

@@Th3BirdmanThe meaning of words change with time. As a feminist, I at least advocate for both the rights of women - abortion rights, closing the pay gap - but also the rights of men. Though this isn’t the case for every feminist just the same as not every feminist is trans-exclusionary. Men should not fulfil a role the same as women should. Neither men nor women should feel the pressure of society to fit in, regardless of what that entails. Feminism, by definition, is the advocacy of women’s rights, but as of late it has branched to be more of an egalitarian term - thoughts on equality aren’t ‘lies to make people join our side’ (as if the belief that women should be equal is inherently wrong?), they’re parts of a lot of feminist beliefs. After all, how can women be equal if men are still made to feel superior?

[@Th3Birdman]

@@jlo9993 "The meaning of words change with time" You are exaggerating, but sure. However, you're also leaving out an important part of the calculus-- words don't change unless that change is mutually agreed upon by all parties. For example, if I just decide to say that "inhale" means butt hole (as in, the anatomical feature), surely you would balk at that expression, and would disagree that's what it meant. This is what people who use the "words change over time" argument-- words don't just exist in your bubble. They have to have utility and meaning to everyone before they are accepted into the lexicon. This is the same concept I talk about with the word "woke" and how it has been appropriated and misused by right wing idealogues and conspiracy theorists (which is the ultimate irony, considering a conspiracy theorist would be described as woke in its original meaning). "As a feminist, I at least advocate for both the rights of women - abortion rights, closing the pay gap - but also the rights of men" I very heavily doubt that you do, and I'll explain why: that you believe "closing the pay gap" is a worthy cause, when that gap only exists due to a pattern of choices made by women. We can get further into this, but I'll leave it at that to allow you to respond, because if I continue saying what I want to say about this without your response, it'll allow you to weasel out of the hole I know you're going to dig for yourself, and I like having people realize they're wrong on their own. I look forward to your response on this topic. "Men should not fulfil a role the same as women should. Neither men nor women should feel the pressure of society to fit in, regardless of what that entails." I somewhat agree, but I'll explain why that's only somewhat. Both sexes owe the collective species a debt to the society they exist in. We know there are biological differences between males and females, and since those factors exist, males and females exhibit behavioral differences that manifest as "roles" in society. Generally, males are stronger, so they protect the society. Generally, males are interested in "things" so they build things in society. On the flipside, generally, females are more interested in "people", so they fulfill the role of nurturing society. These behaviors, when extrapolated, explain why men and women do different things in life, and why gender roles exist in the first place. That these roles are uniform in nearly every single society that has ever existed is compelling evidence for this argument. So, back to my debt quip-- since these roles are biological in nature, and have produced successful societies across human history, I would argue that there is **some** societal pressure that is good (if "good" means the preservation of the species), and when men and women do not fulfill their roles, societal collapse is inevitable. For example, the vast majority of infrastructure jobs are done by men (again, a demonstration of men liking "things" and building/maintaining those "things"). If men do not fulfill this role, we would all be dead in a matter of months. Therefore, I would argue **some** pressure for men to do these jobs is a good thing. Of course, not every man HAS to do these things, but there HAS TO BE SOME, or else, we're fucked. "Feminism, by definition, is the advocacy of women’s rights, but as of late it has branched to be more of an egalitarian term - thoughts on equality aren’t ‘lies to make people join our side’ (as if the belief that women should be equal is inherently wrong?), they’re parts of a lot of feminist beliefs." That sounds nice, but it's not reality. Again, you can say these things, but we do not see them in practice. I don't know of any feminist organizations that advocate for male models to be paid the same as female models. I never see them outside of courthouses complaining that males don't receive child custody 50% of the time. I don't see them upset that males get harsher sentences for the same crimes as women. If they were truly about equality and egalitarian beliefs, you would be able to point to examples of this happening. Heck, you would say you have actually done those things. The truth of the matter is that most people that claim to be feminists are actually slactkivists that do nothing but sit on social media all day and whine on the internet. Feminists that are actually out there doing work are only doing work on behalf of women. Which is fine-- I think it's cool to advocate for your gender, and have no problem with them ONLY advocating for their gender. But don't then tell me they are also advocating for the other gender, because they're not, and we have evidence not only that they don't, but actively oppose advocacy for males. I put that on the screen in the video, watch again.

[@hananiahsimons9032]

As a bi man the "gay" representation is not needed we're good with just Alan

[@Nodus_Tollens_]

Alan is the rep we needed in 2023 and beyond 🙌

[@Drazil232]

yes, please stop adding gay chars for no reason other than going "hey look at that gay couple, you see it? have you seen the different people there?", it is honestly annoying... you wanna add gay chars? cool, then either make that part of your story or just let it sit there, not pointing it out.

[@solvseus]

Allan was married to Midge. Named after Ruth's son-in-law. It's weird that I know that, but I do.

[@elephorofonius]

@@solvseushe's kens buddy and fits in all his clothes 🎉

[@DJ_Dermo07]

All the Bi Bman fans represent!!! 🏳️‍🌈

[@elithesia781]

While I completely agree with bringing up some of the issues men face and the lack of support (especially on an emotional level) they often receive because of their gender and I genuinely think more people need to hear that, I don't appreciate all of that coming right after what felt like a complete denial of what makes Gloria's speech so powerful for so many women. Even if that wasn't your intention (which I honestly doubt it was), it feels a bit invalidating and that you kind of missed the point. The point of the speech wasn't that only women face issues related to their gender. It's that what she was saying are some of the issues we face in relation to our gender that are finally being vocalized in a way that we often struggle to articulate for various reasons in society. The speech gives women something to look back on and realize what they might be feeling, because a lot of us have felt that double standard in some way before from both men and women around us depending on both societal and personal values. The reason why Gloria's speech is more focused on women is that she herself is a woman and can only speak from her own perspective. Plus, it's the Barbie movie. If you mentioned yourself that there's reasons why assumptions like who plays with what toys are still being made, then it shouldn't be surprising that a movie based around a brand like Barbie would lean a bit more towards addressing women. Both what you brought up in regards to men's gender struggles and what Gloria said about women's gender struggles are legitimate and true things. They can co-exist. My disappointment stems from the fact that it seemed like you felt the need to put down one in order to address the other.

[@Th3Birdman]

Here's something that's being lost in the sauce: the Barbies are the villains of the story. Think about it-- they are the oppressive regime of Barbieland, preventing the Kens from having any power in society through their laws. Kens don't even have a place to sleep, and had to take over the country (?) simply to have a home. The film then resolves with the Barbies defeating the Kens, and returning to the status quo. How is this relevant to your comment? Let me explain. The speech you are referring to implies that the BARBIES are the ones that experienced what America says, when the Barbies are the ones oppressing the Kens. This speech allows them to rule over Barbieland once again, and, again, oppress the Kens. This is why that speech should be criticized-- if we take it at face value, it only applies to Gloria, as she's from the real world. Why does that speech work on the Barbies at all??? It actually should only affect the Kens. That it doesn't means the needs of the men are being ignored, and that's one of the reasons it makes sense to criticize this part of the movie: it simply does not make sense in the context of the film, and is the feminist filmmakers using the film as a soap box.

[@tzman215]

Body Positivity can be really good. Not to excuse being unhealthy of course, but it's good for people with disabilities or amputation or what not. Obviously that isn't what it normally means... But still, it's not INHERENTLY bad

[@EnbyGaemer2005]

Exactly my thoughts. Some body positivity influencers do take it to extremes and actually condone extremely unhealthy choices. But you could look at some fitness influencers and see the same problems.

[@cosmic_cookie5669]

Imo, there is a huge difference in what body positivity was meant to be (the idea that you should feel comfortable in your body, because not all women need to look like Barbie dolls with a perfect hourglass figure, nor all men need to look like MCU's Thor in the first Thor movie to be considered attractive), and what *some* people took it as and turned it into (the false idea that you should be happy with, or aspire to, a body that is very literally going to be hurtful for you like extreme overweight caused by severe obesity or being too underweight by malnutrition or eating disorders). Body positivity was meant to be positive. Shocking, I know/s. But then people did what people do and twisted it into an excuse for being unhealthy.

[@katievx]

thank you! the body positivity associated with weight can be really unhealthy, with a lot of influencers even claiming that you shouldn't try to diet or work out as that apparently makes you fatphobic - body neutrality is a much healthier concept when it comes to weight :)

[@Corey_Tenderson]

I like how Cinemasins just pretended that the creators were There’s a lot of metaphors in this movie, but they weren’t making some religious statement when she walked on the pool. It was just a joke about the water being fake. You know, because they are living in a toy world where everything is fake? Including the water?

[@bradr2567]

Literally my thought when I watched the cinemasins video when they first released it. I was like "guys, they are making a joke that the water is plastic, you know, because its a fake world based on the barbie toys"

[@AresAlpha]

I just assumed that everybody but Barbie saw Ken in the backseat and everybody but Barbie assumed Ken was supposed to be there.

[@Th3Birdman]

That would be hilarious, actually 🤣

[@mrcritical6751]

Everyone does just assume Beach Ken is Stereotypical Barbie’s Ken

[@lauragueorguieva]

It's even cleverer since ken is considered to be just a barbie accessory with no agency. She might have just taken him, like luggage.

[@ajerqureshi6411]

It's easy to think of Barbie on the surface level as a feminist movie, especially when looking at the surface level stuff like the overall plot about the Ken's getting this warped idea of patriarchy in their head and effectively taking over Barbieland. But in truth, what made Barbie work, especially for me, was that it was a lot deeper than that and was more about an individual's purpose than simply being just a gender thing. The entire reason Ken goes on this whole warped "patriarchal invasion" is because he desperately wants to be with stereotypical Barbie, because to him there's no "Just Ken". He and the other Kens don't realize it until they get into the "I'm Just Ken" sequence. Meanwhile Barbie feels that since all she is a stereotypical beautiful and perfect Barbie, she cannot have that if she exhibits any kind of insecurity or emotional outburst. This is a long-winded slightly rambly way of me trying to say that despite what a lot of internet grifters or sjws think, Barbie is not just about gender. It's about your individual purpose.

[@danavixen6274]

Boom! There it is! This isn't senseless rambling. I LOVE this movie for all of what you pointed out. I didn't love it, because of the feminist tropes. I loved it, because both Ken and Barbie needed to understand who they were as individuals. Know their purpose. Know their worth whether they were in a relationship or not. More people should follow this concept. 🩷

[@Doctorrr_]

You just made me understand the movie so much better, thank you /gen

[@ItsMeShaniceG]

The undertone of violence scene was specifically talking about sexual violence. The idea of just walking around in your body is scary because you don’t know what someone is going to do to you if they have a chance. The idea of being scared to be left alone in a room with a man. Living as a human being, especially in America… obviously we’re all very very susceptible to violence. I think sexual violence is something that women have to constantly be aware of. Constantly. Coming from someone who had D cups in the fifth grade, you feel disgusting sometimes because you know how people are looking at you. Perhaps men do feel that… And if that’s the case, I totally apologize. But generally, I think that’s more woman thing. The speech at the end. I totally agree. Men should have the same resources that women have to deal with mental issues, domestic issues, etc. But I’ll say what I tell everyone when they start complaining about the resources, they don’t have… You have to create your own. If you see something that your community lacks, it’s up to you as a community to fix that. So if a bunch of males feel that way… Why are you guys not getting together to create those resources for yourselves? That’s how we live in Hawaii. People aren’t sitting around waiting for someone else to do something for them. They create organizations for the things that matter to them and they get people to join and support. I think sometimes it’s easier to wallow and blame the world for why you’re not getting what you need. I say the same thing to black people. Stop waiting for white people to come and save you. We have to save ourselves!

[@bradr2567]

I agree with you about the creating your own resources thing, but the problem we are currently having in america is that when men do try to do that, they are mocked endlessly by women and media and it kind of falls apart. Not all women of course, just the toxic ones, but it is a bit overwhelming when you try to create something to help people and all you face is mocking and ridicule with no support of any kind.

[@reistellae]

A lot of the groups made to support women were made BY women FOR women, so it would make sense for men to organize and make their own resources as well. This isn't to say that men's issues should be ignored by women, no, women should pay as much care and attention to men in crisis as they do for women. However, it's important that men organize and create these spaces and resources for themselves just like women, POC, and LGBTQ+ groups have. Community is vital and if men had organizations to help them in the same way other groups do, it would make a huge difference.

[@candyman_jacksytsmasytsma9674]

A lot of male advocacy groups have been shut down, actually for being sexist such as there was a College club that supported mental health in male excellence that got shut down for being sexist

[@randombrokeperson]

@bradr2567 “mocked by women”…. Only women?

[@danavixen6274]

There is TRUTH in your statement. However, not ALL Blacks are waiting on whites for help. The more resourceful ANY of us are, the better. I just wish my people would UNIFY more. The lack of trust amongst my people disgust me. WE of all people should have a UNITED front. There's too much of a disconnect and it's disheartening!

[@ShinobiPhoenix-YT0]

20:20 Not to mention, the gays love this movie (most of us anyway) and Jeremy is not speaking for us. Also, there are gays and lesbians in the movie if you know where to clock them. Pandering usually means you're too busy pretending to be an ally to actually know or notice anything the group you're whiteknighting would know.

[@juliannaelwell]

exactly, there can be gay rep without explicitly saying a character is gay. jeremy is just assuming any character without a romantic interest in the film is straight by default

[@michael.471]

The idea we can fix Barbieland that easily ignores the underlying critique in the opening of the film: Where Mirren says Barbie just casually solved sexism. If Barbie manages to immediately solve the word Barbie lives in implies this is how easy it would be to do in the real world.

[@skinnyjasper3097]

But they don’t even suggest that they should even try to do it. You don’t look at the world’s problems and say “well that could be hard so we shouldn’t apply pressure to encourage people to solve them”

[@Mialikesthings]

@@skinnyjasper3097You would be surprise how many people would not think of this.

[@verdethestarwarrior1088]

I like how as CinemaSins gets louder and more obnoxious, you get more calm and collected

[@okbutjikook]

The barbies taking back power in barbieland wasn't a show of feminism = superiority. As you said in the video the kens represent the women in the real world just like the barbies also manage to represent the men in the real world. The barbies retaking control over the kens is a take on the real world with the roles reversed.

[@Th3Birdman]

I honestly feel like people watched a completely different movie than I did. For example: "The barbies retaking control over the kens is a take on the real world with the roles reversed" HOW? How did you come to this conclusion? Barbieland is a modern society where women do all the jobs, hold every position of power, have a hold on all the laws, and singularly run the Supreme Court. In what way does this reflect reality? I know feminists believe that men hold all the power, but that is simply not true. I could understand if we were living in a kingdom, where the king holds ultimate authority, but we live in a democracy where (nearly) everything is decided by votes, and the country is ran by fair laws that govern everyone (mostly) equally. Men do not control every job, there are women on the Supreme Court, there are laws and people that enforce these laws that expressly favor women disproportionately (alimony, family court system, police literally admitting they hold biases against men, men being punished more severely for the same crimes, etc.). In what world does Barbieland reflect the real world? It didn't even mirror its own real world in-universe lol

[@okbutjikook]

@@Th3Birdman Given that its a movie surrounding barbies their reflection on reality would be more exaggerated. It also isn't much of a reach to say more men control the world compared to women, otherwise abortion wouldn't be strictly banned in more than twenty countries, burqas wouldn't be forced onto them and female circumcision wouldn't be a thing.

[@Th3Birdman]

Now you are changing your argument. Earlier you stated that they "managed to represent the men in the real world". Now you are saying it is exaggerated. Which is it? And again, Barbieland does NOT reflect reality, even in an exaggerated sense. Currently, there are 4 women on the Supreme Court (and 5 men). In Barbieland, there are ZERO men, and when a man expressed interest, he was shot down. This does not happen in reality (obviously). They are not reflecting reality in an exaggerated sense, because to exaggerate the real-life female minority on the Supreme Court, you would have to have at least one man on Barbieland's Supreme Court. They don't, so you're wrong. There are various examples like this, such as the fact women in Barbieland own all the homes and men are homeless off-screen. Men literally had to take over the country (?) just to have a place to live-- no time in human history were women homeless and forced to live outside for no apparent reason. These are not exaggerations, they simply don't reflect anything but the desire for women to rule the world. Which is fine, mind you-- this is fiction, and I think an artist should be able to make whatever form of reality they want. What I have a problem with are apologists such as yourself trying to explain away things that we can all see. Art is up for interpretation, this is true, but what I am describing is black and white and the obvious intention of the artist. As far as burqas and female circumcision, you are describing things that are not a part of Western Civilization. Like, when's the last time you met a woman that was circumsised? Let's be for real right now. Barbieland is a Western civ, not a middle eastern analogue. Those things you describe have no place in this discussion, but I do support feminists going over to middle east and telling those guys to stop those things. I just don't see many trying...

[@dyltube6395]

@@okbutjikookyou’re moving the goalpost a bit now

[@NotASnaccImAMel]

@@Th3Birdman ​ Does the democracy system and the way the government handles things seem fair to you??? There's a *reason* the capitalists have already won. The problem with this country isn't that men and women aren't treated equally, it's a number of different things that all boil down to money and where it goes. If republican politicians are paying more to win, they win. if they win, they get to uphold their ideologies and traditional beliefs. Most of them are probably only spouting the things republicans want to hear in order to win, because democrats don't often vote. The only reason we got Biden instead of Trump this term was because democrats actually united and voted for once. Otherwise, we have shit like abortion-bans, which, by the way, is a war on women. They can say it is about the babies and population, but it is really about taking back what little say we had from us. If they really cared about children not being killed or hurt, they'd do something about the many ways a child can die while out of the womb instead of worrying about the pre-natal fetuses that aren't even people yet. The school shootings, parental abuse, the foster system, s*xual abuse, the healthcare system, homelessness. Every day children die in the U.S. It's never been about the children, it's about women. Just like in barbieland. In the context of Barbie and Ken going to the real world for the first time and being ogled, Barbie felt threatened because the men were legitimately being creepy and threatening. The connotation was s*xual violence, which happens far more to women than men. Not to mention, your explanation about masculinism and the problems you guys have and how there’s little to no support for these issues. Just like men are more likely to be victims of violent crimes, they are also most likely to be the perpetrators. And why a man feel like they can’t cry or they’re weak is because of ideas perpetuated by other men (and yes, women can be like this to men, it’s just less likely that a mom says to her son that boys don’t cry instead of a father or an older brother). Don’t forget you guys started the patriarchy in the first place, set up all these double standards for men and women, stripped away women and children’s autonomy so that men could be the sole provider and strongarm of the world. You guys have issues and struggles, sure, but women, because of how much worse we’ve had it for centuries, have been able to support each other and start up feminist movements. We make our own support groups. “Men resolve conflict more easily,” then why is the patriarchy, a thing that hurts both genders, still a thing. Why are some men still keeping it as a system and fighting against equality? Because of the money. If white men run the world, they get the money instead of POC. Hence slavery and racism. You see, it’s all about money and control. A poor man is still under the boot of a rich man, so he goes home to his wife and gets angry with her and beats her because it’s the only thing he can control in his life. The wife then beats her children because that is all she can control in her life. Hell, some white feminists back then were racist towards POC women, and once black men were freed before white women could vote they were furious. And then, black men followed suit to the ideas of the patriarchy, controlling their wives and children, in order to fit in, in order to have a taste of control. I’m not saying that this is all men’s faults, but you guys are the ones still repeating your ancestor’s mistakes. Women are just trying to instill change, throw things at the wall to see what sticks, like, say, Freddy Roosevelt during the great depression, who managed to get people back on their feet and improve the economy? He just tried whatever he could to see what worked and what didn’t. He changed things for the better and even helped the lower class for a good while after his presidency, at least until Reagan came and fucked everything up. I’m sorry but what you call feminist rhetoric is actually valid. I intensely dislike men who act like men have it just as bad or worse than women, because yes, we all have our struggles, it is not women’s fault. We are just trying to do what we can to fix things, while men destroy us and themselves.

[@captaincooties6399]

Dude. That speech towards the end about the difference between the help that men and women are offered, really hit hard. Big respect to you.

[@galliro]

26:30 I think theres a thing to be said about masculinism being coopted and twisted by misoginist. Theres a reason "males rights activist" has a bad connotation

[@theskyisteal8346]

If you think feminism hasn't been equally or more coopted and twisted by misandrists, I want a puff of what you're smoking. The fact of the matter is that feminism and masculism (MRA, menninism, et al) are both virtuous aims that are constantly misappropriated by bad actors. If you throw the baby out with the bathwater, you'll have to do it for both. Personally, I'm opposed to using gendered language to refer to the movements because egalitarianism would be a lot harder for bigots to coopt and a lot easier for people to unite under.

[@damienearl8302]

Funny enough, I actually saw something on this topic very recently! It was an episode of Bones where it surrounded a murder victim who was a part of a men's rights group in that universe, and the way the group itself was depicted was just... *horrid* Most of the stuff they talked about just surrounded getting away with uhh..."wrapping" women, their associates spent a decent amount of the episode complaining about the "woke liberal mob trying to cancel us", and it was kind of just a mess to sit through! Like, I love the show, but it isn't really the greatest a nuance

[@s.nifrum4580]

@@damienearl8302 to be fair actual mens rights issues were indeed brought in that episode mostly by dr brennan

[@bullwinkle524]

Random but I saw a theory that Sasha and her friends that “destroyed” Barbie were references to the Bratz dolls since one of them is named Sasha. But hey, it’s just a theory

[@reillymcwriting]

A TH3BIRDMAN THEORY! THANKS FOR WATCHING!

[@3s_muycar0]

Pretty much, the og line of bratz dolls had four girls of different ethnicities similar to Sasha’s friend group. But the thing is bratz really didn’t have to do much to outdo Barbie from jump, they automatically included different types of skin tones,and the dolls themselves had personalities and style specified just for them. But then again if bratz didn’t happen then we wouldn’t have gotten a lot of different iterations of em from Barbie themselves (my scene dolls)

[@hayleymcgough8567]

when I was this film I was like "ayoo a bratz reference? " man I miss bratz dolls

[@danavixen6274]

Maybe Bratz and LOL dolls. My baby niece transitioned from loving Barbie to loving LOL dolls.

[@Ludi_Chris]

That’s just a theory, a film theory. Thanks for watching.

[@BAChambers-235]

Real body positivity is loving yourself while you better yourself. Not becoming content with being extremely unhealthy. It’s about knowing your worth.

[@The_Metal_Mechanic]

Hey Birdman, can we talk for a second? I have been a big fan of yours for a long time, and I respect you and everything you do, but your takes in this video came off a bit more misogynistic than I would have expected. I don't know if it's a bit you're playing or if it is actually who you are, but I hope you can take these words as someone who cares and not someone trying to spread toxic hate. I personally am someone who was assigned male at birth who has been wrestling with their own gender identity for a bit now. I have seen many of the issues that men face in our society, that women have in our society, different cultures, different income brackets, the list goes on. I felt like this movie did a good job of pointing out many of the gender inequalities in our society and flipping them on their head as a way of subverting our own world. I don't believe this movie was ever trying to say that women have more problems and issues in this world than men do, but like you said, just more visible problems. As we try to point fingers and say that one problem matters, that doesn't mean another matters less, and in a movie about Barbie, arguably the most "femm" IP to exist in our modern era, there needed to be a line in the sand drawn to say that women are deserving of love, no matter who they are. They even did the same thing for men in their own way, and I thought it was absolutely beautiful. I am someone who believes in equality for everyone, no matter who you are or what your background is (as long as you're a decent human being) and if I could change the world to reflect that, I would. I really hope you feel that way too, as that is not the felling I got from this video. You didn't lose me as a subscriber or as a fan, not that 1 little view really matters in the grand scheme of the infinite universe. I just hope that you read this and at least think about what I've said. You are Kenough, I am Kenough, we are all Kenough. I just wish we could remember that when it truly matters, because I know I sure don't.

[@Th3Birdman]

I agree with your sentiment. I have no qualm. I also believe in equality for everyone. The problem is that... I believe in equality for _everyone._ Perhaps that doesn't make sense to you, but there is a difference between those two sentences. The ideology I'm criticizing believes that some people are "more equal than others", and I do not. I actually believe in treating everyone the exact same (with obvious concessions based on certain biological issues. For example, you wouldn't force women to lift incredibly heavy things). The conflict lies in the fact that people do not actually want to be treated equally, they want special treatment and to have their own issues platformed over others. Generally speaking, I'm fine with a group advocating for their own issues. That makes logical sense to me. What I have a problem with is that group stepping out of their lane to downtalk another group's issues as if they do not matter, especially when the platforming of their group's issues directly affect's another group's. This is what happens with feminism; when they're simply saying women should be treated the same and with respect in the workplace, I'm all the way down, 100000%. When they say that women experience violence more than men, I'm going to counter that with actual evidence, because it's not true. When they say that women need safe spaces for certain reasons, I will march with them, because I agree, they do. When feminists refuse a male person from a shelter simply because he's a male, I will argue against that. You see, I am **actually** fair. I believe in real equity, not simply platforming one gender's issues over the other. This film expressly treats women's issues as more important than men's, when they literally have an oppressed group in Barbieland-- the Kens are homeless, second-class citizens that have zero power in law, science, or any relevant field. They are actually the victims of an oppressive regime that is made to appear as the protagonists of the story, when they are actually the villains. I am not naive enough to misunderstand what's going on in the movie-- I'm aware they are satirically making a point about the oppression of women in the real world. The problem is this movie was made in 2023-- what era are they satirizing, exactly? It can't be the 60s, because Barbieland is a modern society, and even in the 60s, women could actually sleep in houses lol. When you pay attention, the film is a feminist power fantasy. Which is fine; make your art however you want. But don't tell me that it's representing the female struggle in the real world, because it does not. And this is what a few commentors have tried to say, here, in my own comment section, and that's what irks me. I don't deal in falehoods-- I expose lies here on this channel. I provide evidence against commonly held (but false) beliefs, here. Haven't you notice that I make fun of religion, but never science? That is because the truth should win, even though it doesn't always. On my channel, you will never see me allow ideology to win over evidence, science, statistics and reason. So don't think this is hate. This is simply business as usual on this channel.

[@The_Metal_Mechanic]

@@Th3Birdman thank you so much for responding. This was very much appreciated, and I 100% agree with you on everything said when it comes to true equality. Feminism is good until women are putting down men because, in their mind, it's fun to treat others like shit just because you were treated that way. That's bully mentality, and I hate bullies almost more than anything. I just don't think we agree on what the movie says or stands for, and that's okay. Art is subjective, and some people will interpret it differently than others. That doesn't mean my view is any more or less correct than yours or anyone else's interpretation of the movie, unless you're Jeremy and have less media literacy than a toddler. This has helped me a lot, and I feel like I have grown as a person after reading your response. I think my recent realizations about my mental health and gender identity have skewed my views just a bit. Please keep being awesome and doing what you're doing. I'll be here for the next video, and the next, and the next.

[@camharkness]

I haven't seen anyone actually criticize this movie without just screaming "WOKE, WOKE WOKE WOKE!!!!!" So it was nice to see you actually give it, ya know, actual criticisms while critizing cimema sins.

[@francisoffilth7953]

I have numerous times. The story feels very disjointed. The message isn’t well delivered. The pacing is off. It’s a very artistic movie without much substance

[@reillymcwriting]

Right?! I thought this movie was fantastic but I also like seeing criticisms of said movies I like. But all everyone focuses on, it seems, is equating the movie to Fight Club’s themes while fundamentally misunderstanding Fight Club.

[@DunjeeTime]

@@francisoffilth7953 Well, if you walked into a movie called Barbie and expected an earth shattering cinematic experience that says more about you than the movie.

[@Chuck_EL]

​@@DunjeeTime Look at that person's comments they're a "anti woke" person They just wrote that here to appear different The anti woke videos do the same thing since they're all being called out for grifting

[@SuperSolaris666]

@@DunjeeTime "If you walked into a movie called Barbie and expected it to be good, that says more about you than the movie."

[@KumaChrisVT]

Why does everybody forget the line near the end of the movie that states that given time the Kens will have power and influence eventually. The kens just did a Hostile takeover, of course its going to take time before they earn the Barbie's trust enough to give them the majority power back. Nobody seems to remember that line or bring it up when talking about the movie. This movie showed the EXTREMES of both Toxic masculinity and Toxic femininity and said they were Both wrong, but they did it through Comedy. Even if Barbie land went back to being temporarily run by only barbies they didn't go back to how it was before (The president barbie straight up says as much), there were several significant changes that we actually see, mostly between the relationship the Kens and Barbies have with each other. Several become closer friends, there were some Kens that were holding hands (could have been a gay couple). Kens were given Individualism, they weren't going to be in the background anymore. The only person in the entire movie that wanted things to return to the original state was the CEO, and he was quickly turned around by the mention of money (fuck capitalism). If they were to accurately show the real world issues and talk about true equality in a serious light then it wouldn't have been a PG-13 Comedy, it would be a Rated-R Documentary, so they chose to focus on Individualism instead, not choosing to fit under any predetermined box based on gender, while lightly grazing the issues of gender equality and showing how bad the extremes are. When Ken goes to the real world and learns about the Patriarchy, he gets turned away at every instance. He can't get a Job, he sees that Women do hold high positions like that of Doctors, and the only men who actively disrespect Barbie are very quick to apologize. Ken grabs onto the Ideology despite him being shown it isn't as big as he thinks it is. As you said in the movie the dolls are easily swayed. Barbie sees things as more Hostile then they are and Ken sees things more Amazing then they are because of a single interaction they have with the real world, one where Barbie gets Catcalled and where Ken gets a tiny bit of respect and sees a Book talking about Men having power. People take this movie to seriously and are asking it to cover topics more seriously, but that wouldn't have made a good movie, it would have made it a Depressing movie, and it wouldn't have made a difference in how the world treats men, it would have bombed in the box office and we would have never seen the topic brought up again in Hollywood.

[@skinnyjasper3097]

No it said they would get the same amount of authority as women in the real world some time in the future. So they are saying they will give the Ken’s crappy rights at sometime in the future. This is like getting mad at oppressed minorities for attempting to gain equality, oh wait people still do get mad at that.

[@Star_Joker]

I can't believe I used to think Cinemasins were credible movie critics. This video just proves I talked as much nonsense back then as Jeremy does.

[@ZoanBlade90]

You and me both. Jeremy was making an arse of himself for so long, we didn't notice.

[@Chuck_EL]

​@@ZoanBlade90 He's literally grifting off hate clicking to make money Which makes him even worse

[@ozone_strike3190]

Depending on how far back we’re talking, he still had his usual jokes but the videos were shorter and kept more towards sinning, genuine or otherwise, which shows how it changed over time. The channel got as popular as it did way back when because it was short and sweet with some humorous elements throughout and now it’s more humor than sin and they’re much longer as a result.

[@ZoanBlade90]

@@ozone_strike3190 He confused quality with quantity.

[@damienearl8302]

There are entire movies I wanted to watch initially but ended up not because of his videos back when I used to be a fan, it's wild to think I ever had that much faith in the stuff he says!

[@JJ_R]

The perfect movie to watch before and/or after the other movie.

[@llarmstrong783]

Oppenheim?

[@JJ_R]

@@llarmstrong783 That’s the one. I didn’t know how to spell it properly.

[@solvseus]

I kept trying to convince my friends and sister of that, but no one else wanted to Barbenheimer. 😐 It's like, I went with you to see that terrible Harry Potter prequel. They missed out.

[@YahhSirio]

25:57 While it is true that men's issues are not brought up in tandem with women's issues or even more-so are overlooked by most. I have to say I can't quite agree with what you said in this sin The reason being men themselves choose not to take them seriously. Men are told that they can't cry, show emotions or feelings, or they will be labeled negatively. Women had to stand up and fight for themselves when they wanted change. Men don't do that for each other. The other day I was on Twitter and there was a post about how a man was "weird" for not allowing sexual assault from a woman to happen to him while he was being massaged. Instead of the men coming together to say that this is an issue. They instead decided to call him gay, weird, idiot, etc. for not wanting to be sexually assaulted. TL;DR I think the reason why men's issues aren't acknowledged or talked about to the same degree as women's issues is because the overwhelming majority of men (in America at least) do not care to speak on them or care to support them.

[@Th3Birdman]

This isn't actually engaging the issue. Men do, in fact, advocate for men. The problem is that feminist groups (who are seen as morally correct in society) campaign against this. I literally put it on the screen in this video: they actively protest Men's studies. We can't even get men's studies, how do you expect to get society to take male victims seriously?? I have a question: if feminism was truly about equality, why don't feminists create these spaces for male victims? Why are the asshole men required to make spaces for male victims when feminists are the ones who proport to be about equality? Surely, they could help those they claim to support, no? They did it for women...

[@YahhSirio]

@@Th3Birdman I do actually see the issues in the possible suppression from some feminists not wanting there to be a "Men's studies" class, Same with some of the other examples in the vid. Those are very valid issues. I should have said that in my comment. Now, for Feminists not creating spaces for male victims: I do not think that they should be tasked with creating space for them, maybe assisting in those spaces, but not creating. (I don't think feminists should suppress those spaces either) I think Masculinists should create those spaces, just as feminists have done in the past and present for women. I like to think of Anita Sarkeesian/Feminist Frequency, she may have said some things that were a bit much, but overall her message was talking about the issues and representation for women in the male-dominated gaming industry and its communities. She was/is a trooper for fighting through that era. My point being that she had to fight for her right to speak on feminist topics in the gaming space. Masculinists or men didn't really ever help her with that. In fact most men that spoke about her, shat on her every moment they got. Sadly, asshole men do run that masculinist area right now on the internet, but my main point is that I do think feminists care about equality, but men have to take a step up and create those spaces themselves for them to speak on their issues. Feminists should definitely assist with creating those spaces for men so as to not have them turn out like Andrew Tate telling men that mental health isn't real, but men still have to create it. I really do feel as men, if we really wanted something in society such as men's studies classes, we would have them. I just think most men don't actively care about these issues enough to speak on them. sorry for the essays

[@Th3Birdman]

​@@YahhSirio "Now, for Feminists not creating spaces for male victims: I do not think that they should be tasked with creating space for them, maybe assisting in those spaces, but not creating" And my question is: well, why not? Aren't these the same people that claim that feminism is about equality? Why wouldn't they create spaces for everyone? You see, I already know the answer to this question: they are NOT for equality. They advocate for 50% of the population, and let me be clear: THIS IS PERFECTLY FINE. I do not have an ideological stance opposing this concept. What I have a problem with is people claiming this group (feminists) is for equality. They are not, because if they were, they would advocate for men too, but they don't. They would create spaces for men, but they don't. They would have protests that favor men, but they don't. They would challenge courts that sentence men differently than women, but they don't. It's in the name: feminism, or advocacy for those that are traditionally feminine (women). The irony is that these groups who you (and let's be honest here, they themselves) believe aren't required to advocate for men ALSO BELIEVE THEY ARE ENTITLED TO HELP FROM MEN TO FURTHER THEIR OWN AGENDA. Hilarious, I know "I think Masculinists should create those spaces, just as feminists have done in the past and present for women" This would be a nice sentiment if feminists didn't do everything in their power to delegitimize any form of advocacy for men as misogynist or supportive of "The Patriarchy". Just look at the response to my video for simply bringing up issues that men face. It's completely mainstream to not care about what men go through, and to suggest that women's issues are somehow worse. "Masculinists or men didn't really ever help her with that. In fact most men that spoke about her, shat on her every moment they go" This is because Anita was a grifter, a liar and a manipulator. Did you honestly engage with the criticism against Anita or did you brush it off as misogyny? There is videographic evidence of her manipulating footage, lying about the intent of certain developers, withholding evidence that would prove she was making something up, and outright lying about being a gamer and liking games. I agree, the trolls were bad, but there were legitimate counters to her arguments that people simply refused to engage with because that criticism was seen as "hatred of women", which made no sense in context. If she lied that a game focuses on a female's butt, and that you couldn't see a male's butt, why is someone showing evidence you could actually see a male's butt in that game "hatred of women"? That make sense to you? "Sadly, asshole men do run that masculinist area right now on the internet" I agree. I am not one of these people, please do not misunderstand. I simply care about the accuracy of arguments. This is what I do.

[@YahhSirio]

@@Th3Birdman Ngl, i'm gettin cooked. BUT... "Aren't these the same people that claim that feminism is about equality? Why wouldn't they create spaces for everyone?" The way I personally see feminism, it is about equality for women to be equal to men. They create spaces for women not men. It's in the name feminism. I think that men/masculinists would have to advocate on their own behalf about these issues just as women/feminists did. We do have to work together for equality, but I don't believe that feminists are the ones who should take that step to creating spaces for men. I don't know completely, you have made me think about that though, because you do make good points. "It's completely mainstream to not care about what men go through, and to suggest that women's issues are somehow worse." I wouldn't go as far as to say mainstream, but yeah some feminists do unfairly ignore mens issues even if helping those mens issues would also benefit women. "I agree. I am not one of these people, please do not misunderstand. I simply care about the accuracy of arguments. This is what I do." Yes I know you are not one of them, I know you are just calling attention to things you care about, and that's why you are easily one of my fav youtubers. I love the way you talk about things. I agree with like 98.7% of the things I have heard you say, and you have honestly taught me a lot of things about arguments, debates, and discussion. As far as I know, you are simply just 100% yourself. And now for the Anita part, I do agree she was a sort of grifter, liar, and manipulator who may or may not have played videogames her whole life. The only reason I brought her up was because I had recently revisited some of her videos, and remembered how "prominent" she was in the feminist space, I thought that would be a good example. I wanted to make sure that the hate I had for her was maybe I guess "warranted", by actually watching to see what she had to say. Some of her videos were actually pretty correct. Like the Ms. Male video, but unlike the Butt stereotypes video. "Did you honestly engage with the criticism against Anita or did you brush it off as misogyny?" When I had learned about her I was like 14-16 yrs old (I am 21 now), and I was agreeing with the valid criticisms and even the incorrect ones. I was kinda ignorant to what feminism was, and I was kinda going down a rabbit hole of talking shit about something I never really understood. I understand it a lot better now that I'm older, and there are valid criticisms about her and about feminism to be had. This is all just to say, that I think she was a feminist who fought for her way to speak about what she talked about, even if she was wrong about some/a lot of the things she spoke on, I think the intention was good though. Thanks for discussing with me though.

[@onesmart229]

26:37 Feminism is supposed to support everyone at least in the form we know today sometimes called Intersectional Feminism. The mostly female focused feminism is 2nd wave Feminism which is exclusionary.

[@ImTyde]

I was somewhat hoping you'd dive into "I'm Just Ken", and how unlike most movies I've seen, rather than mocking men's insecurities, this movie seems to take it with a measure of respect, and touches on how Ken beginning his journey of finding himself, and finding purpose in his own identity rather than what he can be FOR others. I thought that was a breath of fresh air. But I could be misinterpreting the scene. Ryan wearing the "I am Kenough" sweater immediately was hilarious though.

[@pianist150]

Idk maybe I should relisten to the America Ferrara speech because while it was heavy handed, I'll agree, sinning it because men have problems too feels reductive? Like the movie is about the experience of women. That can be the movie's conversation, right? Same way if I make a movie about what black people experience in America and the struggles therein involved, isn't it shitty to say "yes but what about the Asian community's experience?" in response. A worthwhile conversation to be had for sure, but a separate issue from what we're talking about.

[@Th3Birdman]

Quite a few of you seem to have forgotten the purpose (and title) of this series. I'm not criticizing the movie (nor do I defend movies, for that matter). I criticize CinemaSins here: Everything Wrong With CinemaSins. Keeping this context in mind, the "speech sin" is about CinemaSins removing sins for said speech, ultimately claiming that "women should rule". I explain that, in many ways, women already rule. They live longer lives, are better educated, are more protected in society, don't work the most difficult jobs, and generally are "middle class" in the context of society. While it's true that some men are the "upper class" in this analogy, the VAST majority of men are the lowest class. So it's silly to suggest that women should rule, when they live better lives than the vast majority of men on Earth. As far as bringing up another struggle, this is a weird thing to say. I mean, when is an appropriate time to bring up the fact that a majority of humans that live a shit life are men? Because whenever someone does it, it gets shouted down, ridiculed, and strangely, accusations of misogyny get thrown around. You can't even get Men's Studies courses in most colleges without feminists rallying against it. So you're not being honest here. Saying this isn't the appropriate time to talk about men's struggles implies there ever is an appropriate time, and by all available evidence, it never is.

[@pianist150]

​@@Th3Birdman I do now see what you're saying about criticizing CInemansins saying "women should rule" but when you say he criticizes everything "except that which needs to be criticized", are you not saying he should be criticizing the speech? You're saying the speech is something that "needs to be criticized", no? Both genders have struggles related to their gender, we both agree on. But you saying the speech is made to sound like only women have problems "like these"... me expressing my problems is not me saying that no one else has problems. You appear to be criticizing the speech for making it sound like only women have problems when the speech is really just expressing exasperation with the specific aspects of the female experience. So it sounds like the criticism is just of the expression period. I don't think the speech takes much if any ownership over the problems men face that you listed. Those things should be allowed to be discussed. Struggle is not a gendered issue but struggles can be different and all deserve oxygen. Responding to someone else's unique negative life experience with yours and saying "you make it sound like I don't have problems too", feels dismissive. Mainly because I don't see how the speech is doing that. Or maybe I'm completely misunderstanding what you're trying to say. That's possible too.

[@Th3Birdman]

@@pianist150 Again, you have to keep the context in mind; in the context of America's speech (which by the way does not exist in a bubble-- that's all that Jeremy showed on screen, but that speech was repeated multiple times throughout the third act of the film, repeating feminist falsehoods), saying "women should rule" is a direct acknowledgement that society is situated against women to the point that he would rather "women rule" to change these things. This implies that society is so geared against women that something should change, which has the unfortunate effect of implying things don't affect men. Actions do not only affect one group-- if you are saying the world is so hard for women that it should change to that extent, what you are saying is that it's not as hard for the other group. I mean, as difficult as it is for men, I've never heard him advocate for changes so stark simply to benefit men (and of course he wouldn't, because the insanity of this current era wouldn't allow someone in the mainstream to advocate on behalf of men). Women in Western civilization occupy what is the equivalent of the "middle class" in society. They don't hold the majority of the power, but they also do not have the shittiest lives-- that would be men in both instances. Yes, the people in the "upper class" of this analogy are usually men, but as true of most elites, those numbers are tiny in comparison to the population. Every company has one CEO, but MANY workers. Get me? Following this logic, the majority of men then occupy the "lower class" of society. They do the shittiest jobs, commit the most suicides, are the majority of the homeless, are less educated, etc. This is inarguable-- I showed the stats on the screen. So, if the world must change to accommodate the middle class, what the entire fuck should it do for the lower class? That is the argument; arguing that the world should change because of issues faced by the middle class ignores the rights and privileges they enjoy being a part of the middle class, and is a middle finger to those in the lower class. Women are the most protected gender in society, they are the most educated, the most cared for, control the majority of the spending power, live the longest, and enjoy a bevy of benefits that is invisible to them. You cannot point to an area of society where women are actually systematically disadvantaged in society, but I can point to many areas that men are. Do you understand what I'm saying, now?

[@pianist150]

@@Th3Birdman ok yes I believe I do. Thank you for taking the time to explain

[@julieporter7805]

What I love about this movie: Barbieland and all of the details that they did to make it just right in live action no less. From the way characters posed and dressed to the inside references and jokes to Barbie's history. It took a lot of detail and you can tell everyone worked hard on it. The adorability as Barbie goes to the Real World and is awestruck about things that she had never before seen like people aging and living outside of preselected roles and even dealing with deeper emotions like sadness, depression, and loneliness. It shows you how limited her previous experience was and how full the human experience can be. The satire when Barbieland turns into Kenland is definitely a not very subtle stab at many of the real world issues that the movie deals with. Not to mention it clearly worked because people are still arguing about and defending several months afterwards. They did what they set out to do. They got people talking about it and discussing those issues. I'd say, "Mission Accomplished." Gloria's speech. It is heartfelt and powerful and really illustrates many of the issues that women go through. I think we have all had experiences like that one way or another no matter how we politically view ourselves. Barbie's conversation with Ruth Handler. She is in effect talking to her mother and her Goddess/Creator. It's a very Existentialist momen that asks those important questions about why we're here and where are we going. Of course the end on how Barbieland itself is starting to evolve. It reminds me of the ending of Pleasantville how the world that was recreated can be even better than the one that existed before. Also Barbie's transformation along with the realization that they didn't lose Barbie, just that specific Barbie. They will continue meanwhile that Barbie had to do what was right for her.

[@Lazarus_Cardinalis]

I definitely didn't expect him to go down a biological essentialist and dismiss feminist sociological studies as fully invalid

[@Th3Birdman]

Biological essentialist, no. Dismiss feminist rhetoric, yes. As any thinking person would, and should. Sociology isn't a science, and relies on extremely shaky methodology that isn't replicable. I am uninterested in it.

[@Michael-cd7bq]

Because you put so much effort into these videos

[@Robyn_iz_Here]

6:35 Yesnt. Body positivity started out as a positive concept promoting the idea of disabled people being just as normal as able bodied people. People who were obese to the point of actual health risks tacked themselves onto the body positive train and made it all about them. Of course if someone is healthy they shouldnt be shamed but body positivity never started as a figure thing.

[@ajshiro3957]

I can't help but think that Ken being into horses doubles as a jab to a certain group of dudes into a certain toy series.

[@marissawilson4644]

Please explain

[@3s_muycar0]

Ohhhh you know what you not wrong! 😭 I see I see

[@jdk2535]

bronies @@marissawilson4644

[@jlev1028]

​@@marissawilson4644He means Bronies.

[@DoomRulz]

25:40 Thank you for calling Jeremy out on that, and thank you for your unabashed acknowledgement that men and boys have problems too. I mean it. That was awesome to hear

[@Naharu.]

So many of Jeremy's sins about Barbieland are all just him not understanding that barbieland follows the logic of kids playing

[@bradr2567]

I was legit upset at Jeremy for his stupid sin about Barbie walking on water when the Barbie sin video first dropped. Like, how do you not understand the joke about the water being plastic because it is Barbieland and everything is toys.

[@sidekickz2180]

"I had to see it, so you do too." Fair play, sir.

[@stevie2521]

My theory for how Ken got in the backseat: Ken's are shown to be often overlooked, so maybe all the barbie's were just too preoccupied with saying bye to Barbie that they passed him over. Especially that particular Ken.

[@mioszskupinski343]

"Toxic masculinity" is not used a lot by sociologists or feminist theorists. In masculinity studies there is "hegemonic masculinity", which is used in reference to the culturally dominant model of masculinity, and it usually involves competitiveness. The thing is, "hegemonic masculinity" is not usually understood as either positive or negative, as most concepts connected with gender. It is simply the dominant model against which the alternatives are defined.

[@cookiemocher388]

4:27 that's not the real pregnant Barbie doll, the official doll doesn't have a hole in the doll for the baby, it simply is a regular doll with a fake pregnant belly piece, you can take the piece off and there's a baby inside, still weird, but not as weird as the image shown

[@bradr2567]

Actually there is, well was, indeed an official doll like what he showed in the video. It was discontinued for many reasons, some of which include things like: how creepy the baby was folded up inside the doll, how creepy the hole is, and several other reasons I cant remember at 1240am.

[@NobodyZSS]

I was gonna yell at you for doing Barbie without also doing Oppenheimer, then I realized Cinemasins never sinned Oppenheimer. DAMMIT JEREMY! DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND HOW MEMES WORK? 😂

[@Finzombie]

The golden few minutes where it sits at zero dislikes

[@OfficialMaxBox]

These intros never fail to get me pumped for the next half hour ahead

[@noahd5545]

you made some good points but sometimes you went a little bit far, i think that long speech is more of a commentary on society in general expecting people to be perfect and that expectation being worse for women, its not claiming that only women have problems because of their gender. i expected a little bit more thought from you ok that topic, honestly jeremy said what i hoped you would say, but like in a stupider way.

[@noahd5545]

all that being said you made some incredible points about beanie land completely regressing to how it was before with very superficial changes in ken’s rights that i totally agree with

[@Undersans]

1:46 I have never once seen a flat line for the audience attention graph. I've seen more curvy lines on unpopular songs on KZbin... That is impressive

[@tiajones6485]

Women aren't required to include a "Men struggle too." disclaimer before they're allowed to talk about their problems. And men are perfectly capable, on their own, of doing the work needed to get society to take men's issues more seriously. A lot of the reason men's struggles aren't taken seriously is because men expect women to advocate FOR them instead of raising awareness themselves. And if they don't, they're accused of not actually wanting true equality. Hence why men's valid issues are usually only brought up after women bring up their issues as a gotcha, like "Men get abused too!" and never at any other point.

[@Th3Birdman]

I don't disagree with a majority of what you're saying, actually. I don't think women are, nor should be required to do so. Where we diverge is here: women that think this way, don't pretend you are for equality. I'll take it a step further: if you believe women aren't required to speak up for men, you should keep that same energy when you require this of men for your issues. If you only advocate for one side, own up to that, be that, and be proud of that fact. What I see feminists do is what I see White supremacists groups do: try to avoid being called what they are. Just like White supremacist groups are explicitly racist, feminists are not actually for equality. They advocate for one side only, and turn a blind eye to instances where actual equality advocacy could benefit the gender that is not their own. When's the last time you saw a radfem protesting the courts for not giving men custody of their children 50% of the time? Neveraury 32nd, is my best guess.

[@janessalwood]

There ain't enough good vibes sent to good creators. I just want to let you know how much I enjoy your humor and smark. I will have old Cinema Sins videos from several years ago come across my feed and I will try to imagine what you'd say in response to him. It has made me a better criticizer. Thank you for your work, and I can't wait for the next!

[@dravonianrex5902]

That “I NEED AN ADULT!!” at 28:03 was fucking priceless 😂😂

[@patrickomeara3700]

It is a fact that men do not have the support systems built into society that women do, but one of the reasons for that is the physical superiority of men to women mentioned multiple times. They couldn’t all physically fight back, so they created those groups to support one another. That, to me, is an important missing piece of the puzzle you laid out. That said, much respect encouraging men to express themselves and find help if they need it, and that we don’t have to “man up”without showing any emotion. Also, Jeremy’s gotten fucking weird 😂

[@CJSilver31]

15:07 So for the Lego vs Legos thing, it turns out that both are correct in the right context. (Like fish vs fishes) So, for multiple different Lego pieces like a 1x2 and 2x4 bricks they are Legos, BUT for multiple of the same piece, say 100 of the single stud jumpers that is just Lego. This is according to the LEGO company itself.

[@Ashrom87]

I think one of the bigger things missed about this movie is how it points out the danger of taking any idea, including feminism, to an extreme. The Barbie’s are literally subjugating Ken’s, and the Ken’s are only focused on competing for Barbie’s. The arc of Ken’s realizing that the closeness they crave can be bros, is the point of it all. The big musical number is them all shouting at the same time “I feel this way”, and them suddenly knowing that they’re not alone anymore. Also, the Barbie’s do actually begin to change their status quo; they openly ask where the Ken’s sleep (something never asked in the film before then), and begin to offer “rights” such as going to girls night, to the Ken’s. This movie is an indictment of when feminism becomes toxic, as seen through the eyes of toys who only have a child’s logic.

[@Yumi_Jay]

15:32 you brought back the murica eagle bit. Love it.

[@_4shy]

15 Sins for the pregnant doll imagery! Jokes aside, great vid as always my dude

[@agreenpar]

The people who are defending Cinema Sins and calling his content “Satire” clearly don’t realize that eventually, it’s no longer making jokes and just purely spreading potentially harmful misinformation.

[@goblim1462]

I feel like a the way to increase awareness about mens issue comes from socal media campaigns and other things that worked for femanism. instead of just saying what about men when ever wemons issues come up. If we want a movement for mens issue we have to make it

[@Th3Birdman]

The problem with this line of reasoning can be seen here, in this very comment section and from your own comment: the second men bring up men’s issues, it’s met with “yeah, but” every single time. This is because these people think that to advocate for men, you must simultaneously oppress women. This is why feminism is declining (along with women reaching parity with men in relevant measures)- people see it differently from what these ideologues claim it to be.

[@NikLovin757]

My pregnant Barbie had a flat stomach, and the newborn was stored in the removable pregnant belly, it was magnetic. 😂 I thought she was cool.

[@reistellae]

26:41 Reminded me of when I was in college, the only gender studies course I took was Masculinities. Of course, there were only women in the class and we were taught by a male professor, but that course helped me to be more empathic towards male issues. I think anyone advocating for equality between men and women should understand the other side and this course largely helped me become more jaded to modern feminism. I think more colleges need Masculism courses.

[@sorenthefilmbrony]

14:38 18:53 There's just something about Birdman combining cliches into one that just fascinates me.

[@caseysilverrose8516]

22.28 Are you really saying that women can't physically threaten men and that a matriarchy could not violently usurp men? Physical strength and power is not black and white. It's very much a spectrum and men and women exist across all parts of that spectrum. The idea that men have a biological or "natural defense" is definitely an over generalization. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point, but across all of the videos I've watched of yours before, this is the first of which you've seemed so...gender-binary-y.

[@Th3Birdman]

Stop. There is no universe where women could violently overtake this country (or any other so-called patriarchal society) and install a matriarchy by force. If physical strength is a spectrum, the entirety of the female sex is on the lower end of it. Boys (adolescents at or going through puberty) on average are stronger than grown women by themselves. If there was a hypothetical war between the sexes, it would be over in a matter of hours. Please do not kid yourself and get you or any woman you love hurt thinking that you or they can take a man in a real fight. There is a reason the majority of violence in this world is committed by men, and there is a reason the majority of militaries are dominated by men. Your local police force is also majority male, as is the local fire department. Men are stronger than women. We are a sexually dimorphic species. This is common knowledge, backed by a host of studies. Source: shorturl.at/orKP6 Source: law.duke.edu/sports/sex-sport/comparative-athletic-performance Source: www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/02/200205132404.htm Source: shorturl.at/xzQYZ And just to sweeten the deal, here are boys vs adult women athletes Source: boysvswomen.com/#/world-record Ideology stops where science begins, I'm afraid.

[@kevinmeza7169]

Bro it's insane how consistently funny you are please never stop my man

[@Ricktofenable]

1:48 GEAWWWD DAMN whyd you have to roast him with the analytics like that🤣😭😭😭😭

[@DigiRangerScott]

4:38 Kids tried to make some but they all read SOP or YELD

[@TheUncouthGentleman]

Speaking as a trans woman-- Regarding all the imbalance of advocacy groups between feminists and men's rights activists, I would imagine its because many (not all, but many) of the unofficial spaces for men to speak on their issues devolve into incel culture and suchlike, which is heavily damaging to the image (and actual effectiveness) of men's rights Also I agree-- a lot of feminists HAVE lost the goal of equality, and started moving towards "flip the roles," which... sucks.

[@spike_de1]

Love it when new EEWWCS vids come out!

[@Snomrade]

Yeah I’m only subscribed to cs just to see what they do next do I can look forward to this

[@michaelstowers5222]

“I need an adult”😂😂

[@Gchildwarrior]

"I am an adult." 😈

[@andrewdunn8778]

I assumed Cinemasins was talking about the woman in the wheelchair at least as much as the one fat Barbie when he talked about body positivity. The body positivity was at least started for amputees, scars, burns, etc. but just became popular because of obese people. Kind of like how "incel" was created by a woman to describe herself.

[@KumaChrisVT]

This is Jeremy we are talking about, I highly doubt he did the research to know how Body Positivity started. He was 100% referring to the overweight barbie.

[@tiannacowan6999]

It’s unfortunate that body positivity was taken over by people who already had a movement for them (fat acceptance). Now, every time I tell someone that I’m trying to be more body positive, I get mixed to negative reactions. :(

[@christinagray6591]

@@tiannacowan6999and those people are weirdos

[@moviemoth4192]

7:22 also midge could “give birth” it was part of why the doll was discontinued. You popped off her tummy and pulled out the baby. It was strange but he clearly never saw the doll.

[@CrustyMajesty]

He sinned THIS MOVIE? Jeremy sinned *THIS. MOVIE?*

[@alexislopez6027]

To be fair he also sinned both spiderverse films, mitchells vs the machines and puss in boots the last wish so not that surprising honestly

[@SMM5]

Not sure why you’re surprised, he also sinned both Spider-Verse movies

[@sonicfanboy3375]

​@jaredjams4267It's a good Netflix movie you should definitely watch

[@Booderot]

This movie is very popular and easy to sin so why shouldn't he?

[@CrustyMajesty]

@jaredjams4267yeah me neither, tbh

[@Shabriri_the_reviled]

My mom grew up in Long Beach, just love the fact that you shouted out the city

[@JitteryJackanape]

Birdman was spitting cold hard truths here. Your discussions and genuine criticism of aspects of the movie are correct. And especially with how it translates to the real world. Great video.

[@monolith96]

There were a couple "Wait, what was that" potentials that I'm sad you didn't include, but the Stan gag fucking killed. 10/10

[@destructo-pizzatv2263]

Day 190 of telling th3birdman I appreciate his content

[@michawrzosek5417]

Lucky to be here 57 seconds after the premiere

[@jackcottrell2060]

The long pause between "That's sexist" and the sin removal😂😂😂😂

[@mundolopez8952]

I love the energy of this video. The Bird just sounds so tired

[@victorjones7859]

i’ve always loved this videos but that last joke hit way to close to home😂 well done Birdman👏🏾

[@brenyatta]

23:11 That was my exact thought when I saw this. I was waiting for Barbie to stand up in the court scene and propose that the Barbies & Kens live equally from now on, but that never happened

[@corypowercat7277]

I had a barbie that had a silicon belly area and she had a rotating scalp so I could change her bangs. She had pink and black hair so I think she was a goth barbie. Also I think it's cool that there's barbies with prosthetic legs being sold.

[@thelone_magpie]

When you cite literature in your videos, would it be possible to link to the studies? (Or do you already do this on one of your other platforms?) Thanks!

[@chahrazed2321]

I take this opportunity of being really early to tell you that I sleep listening to your videos because your voice is so soothing 😅 Thanks for your great videos 😍

[@zomzomino]

Body positivity is a good thing- it's just a term that's misused It's basically just... mind you damn business Like, don't bully people for being overweight? That's kinda it? That's at least what i think it is

[@Th3Birdman]

You're describing Body Neutrality. Positivity has a meaning, which means "plus, or forward". This means as an ideology, body positivity is putting forth a message, or promoting an idea. It's the same context as "positive laws", which is a law that is put forth.

[@zomzomino]

@@Th3Birdman oh OK, thanks!

[@1Manimation1]

27:47 i am a woman and this indeed confuses me. there is an entire tv trop called "friendship through battle". which is basically that two strange men battle, and immediately after that they become friends. this is used in 99% of all shonen anime/manga. heck even in most Hollywood action movies. this used to confuse me a lot until i realised that women do the exact opposite. when they hold a grudge, they hold it for as long as they can, even up to years. and i have seen it many times with my own eyes. so it's not a stereotype, it's very roots to real life.

[@ayokryss]

At a law firm I worked at, we were actually told that we couldn’t say ‘no comment’ to anyone calling with questions about our company because ‘saying no comment was a comment.’ We were advised to say that we were ‘not qualified to speak on behalf of that situation.’

[@amusedapple4933]

Haha that’s so idiotic (them not you lol)

[@chaddon7685]

Long Beach, what up! Thanks for the shout out!

[@starwinters39]

“Capitalism is like r kelly” I DIED AT THIS

[@gownerjones]

I, too, was cursed with the knowledge of the difference between an analogy, a comparison, and saying that two things are identical in every way. But whenever you assume the same about anyone, you're always gonna find yourself hearing the words "Wow what a stupid comparison! Cars are nothing like ants!"

[@shadowofjustice9119]

“That’s sexist!” Proceeds to remove a sin 💀

[@milkmannlopez7183]

The pikachu on the sin counter was funny for the extra sin like a squeeze😂😂

[@tzman215]

Holy shit, comparing your most rewatched parts to his video is cold... And f'ing hilarious

[@danavixen6274]

SAVAGE! 🤣

[@lorenzoditrolio6680]

Any chance you plan on making a video for cinemasins’ eww rise of the tmnt movie?

[@Th3Birdman]

Yes.

[@lorenzoditrolio6680]

@@Th3Birdmannoice, can’t wait to see how you debunk Jeremy’s sins in that one

[@solvseus]

That was a bad video, looking forward to him demolishing it.

[@Kolbua]

I love your content! Keep it coming. Thank you

[@matth2283]

11:50 I take it as in the figurine being placed into the car by a boy saying "And Ken went along with her" or something like that. Don't forget Barbieland operates on "play logic"

[@matth2283]

like how Barbie glides down in one scene. That is clearly some little girl "grabbing her and placing her on the ground".

[@reillymcwriting]

So at about 9:05 -this is a trope for the song to be hilariously plot relevant. This was also a joke in Baseketball, when Trey Parker’s character is driving down the freeway. And I KNOW Jeremy saw Baseketball from a previous sins video. That’s a sin, Jeremy. Ding!

[@Thelevluv]

Finally, Someone said exactly what I've said about gentrification of the word "woke". 👏🏿

[@WhiskerDooz]

The Right are top dogs when it comes to gentrification lol it just comes 2nd nature

[@ShinobiPhoenix-YT0]

Also, thank you for adding that Metal Cover for I'm Just Ken. I didn't know it existed until now!

[@eatatjoes6751]

Oh, the pregnant Midge doll…wow…that was bonkers. Also I find it super ironic that *Ken* of all things is the most fleshed out character in the movie and thus who everyone kind of latched onto, because he’s the thing that Barbie is desperately trying to say about Barbie on a smaller scale. That’s not really a bad thing, just something I noticed. The real sins here are that they sold actual Mojo Dojo Casa Houses and Stereotypical Barbies + they’re planning on making an entire film universe centered on toys - *COMPLETELY OBLITERATING THE WHOLE POINT OF WHY BARBIE EXISTS.* Hell, I think that’s what kind of tanks the overall message here - had they decided to go with a more egalitarian ending, they couldn’t bank-load all that gendered merchandise and we wouldn’t get “Polly Pocket” written by Lena Dunham of all people.

[@TheFuckingKrayz]

if anything, i believe that commercializing on the success of the movie with cheap and low quality products based on it only proves its point when it comes to companies. They dont give a shit. Mattel didnt hire a studio to make a movie about social issues regarding gender etc based on their Barbie IP because they believed that they had to say something. They did because they knew it would bring the barbie name into the spotlight and it would be a huge success. So they could go and create more merch and spinoffs to make more money.