Everything Wrong With Numbers 30 in the Bible

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@FriendlyAtheist1
@FriendlyAtheist1 2 жыл бұрын
Please LIKE, SUBSCRIBE, DONATE, and JOIN as a member! Or else I will control your future. www.patreon.com/Hemant
@Daniel-cz7kd
@Daniel-cz7kd 2 жыл бұрын
Friendly Atheist Really, and just how will you do that, by what authority 🙂
@cfltheman
@cfltheman 2 жыл бұрын
Before you vow to sacrifice the first thing that comes out to greet you when you get home, remember this chapter.
@richardnedbalek1968
@richardnedbalek1968 2 жыл бұрын
5:12 Nothing puts ‘fun’ in ‘dysfunctional relationships’ like Biblically commanded inequality.
@apostateturtle1960
@apostateturtle1960 2 жыл бұрын
Finally, a chapter that makes sense. Goodness knows we womenfolk can't be expected to make rational legal agreements! We're so overemotional that we'll be signing over the deed to the house to the first conman who comes after it. Thank God for toxic masculinity to the rescue! 🙄
@Daniel-cz7kd
@Daniel-cz7kd 2 жыл бұрын
Apostate Turtle Well, I suppose it’s ok to be grateful 🙂
@CarolineIronwill
@CarolineIronwill 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for slugging through this, Hemant.
@brunozeigerts6379
@brunozeigerts6379 2 жыл бұрын
'I vow to never have sex with my husband until he bathes.' "I heard that! Vow nullified!'
@KeriRautenkranz
@KeriRautenkranz 2 жыл бұрын
Seems like the issue of women making vows contradictory to the wishes of fathers or husbands was enough of a problem (for daddies and husbands!) that it had to mentioned in the Holy Book? Must have been really fun family life!
@marklivingstone3710
@marklivingstone3710 2 жыл бұрын
It’s not hard to see where this one’s going. Wife: God, if you do this I will live a chaste life. Husband: Noooooooooo!
@shriggs55
@shriggs55 2 жыл бұрын
I look forward to these videos.Thanks.
@marshallleevalentine
@marshallleevalentine 2 жыл бұрын
Chapters like this is actually why I didn’t convert to any Abrahamic faith. The idea that women’s opinions are overwrote by whatever immediate man they are living with (father, husband, etc.) is fucked up. It’s dehumanizing and wrong.
@KeriRautenkranz
@KeriRautenkranz 2 жыл бұрын
It's a sad testament to Humanity in general that billions of Suckers both female and male have subscribed to these beliefs throughout history....
@JeromeBellon
@JeromeBellon 2 жыл бұрын
You didn't seem to note how, when women make vows or pledges, they are considered "rash promises". Because women can't make a well thought-out vow without the backing of a man, I suppose. (Numbers 30:6-8)
@nun_bel_eever
@nun_bel_eever 2 жыл бұрын
*Also unreliable witnesses too apparently & being the express cause of the condition of all menkind being sinful & thus it was women who caused this inability of men to keep their dicks between their own legs...* *🎵Or so the story goes🎵*
@Daniel-cz7kd
@Daniel-cz7kd 2 жыл бұрын
Jerome Bellon Interesting, did you also catch the “or” part?
@JeromeBellon
@JeromeBellon 2 жыл бұрын
​@@Daniel-cz7kd Yes, I did. I did a bit of hyperbole, but note that such a case is not mentioned at all in the (very short) passage about men's vows. Only women need someone else - that is their father or husband, until they are widowed or divorced - to review and possibly cancel their vows because it might be a "rash promise". There is no such review process for a man, and no such suggestion that they can make promises hastily.
@shldnfr
@shldnfr 2 жыл бұрын
@@Daniel-cz7kd Keep trying to justify the misogyny of your book. It just makes you look worse.
@garryferrington811
@garryferrington811 2 жыл бұрын
Boy, the court cases which inspired this part of the bible must have been complicated.
@Tarotlynx
@Tarotlynx 2 жыл бұрын
These were among the same passages used in the Untied States for banks to refuse to let women have their own accounts. Father, husband, or brother had to serve as some kind of overseer until the 70's. Anyone who screams that feminism didn't do anything good obviously hasn't been paying even scant attention.
@joschafinger126
@joschafinger126 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the nullifying thing also works for credit card purchases: she buys, thus making the promise to pay later, he nullifies the promise. Sounds like a good plan, I'd say 😉
@nun_bel_eever
@nun_bel_eever 2 жыл бұрын
*Ratchet that up a little - say - country size it....*
@alanhilder1883
@alanhilder1883 2 жыл бұрын
That was a problem during the Suffragette movement times. If the lady when to buy something, it was the husbands problem to pay for it, no way out for him.
@thescoobymike
@thescoobymike 2 жыл бұрын
There seems to be some parallel between these vows and Eve taking the fruit in the garden of Eden. Adam approved of Eve’s “vow” by taking the fruit as well.
@jessewilley531
@jessewilley531 2 жыл бұрын
The ONLY time I can think of where someone made a pledge like that to God that turned out okay was Danny Thomas. He has near bankrupt and struggling to find work. He said 'God, give my career a boost, and I'll do something more than acting-- something that will help others. ' Well, he got a successful TV and movie career... and feeling God had kept his end of the bargain, he used a lot of his new found personal fortune to help form St. Jude's Children's Hospital. I might disagree with his beliefs, but he seemed like a sincere and kind hearted man.
@prittimiss9075
@prittimiss9075 2 жыл бұрын
I can't wait
@bulbakingdoot3514
@bulbakingdoot3514 2 жыл бұрын
Great video
@TheCount991
@TheCount991 2 жыл бұрын
If I’m understanding this right, this is both very sexist, but also very easily abused by a woman with a cooperative husband. She can just promise whatever someone wants to hear, and then ask her husband to nullify the promise.
@Daniel-cz7kd
@Daniel-cz7kd 2 жыл бұрын
Slivershroud Hardly
@mrnobody89
@mrnobody89 2 жыл бұрын
Whoa. I actually made it to a live premiere.
@gregjones2217
@gregjones2217 2 жыл бұрын
It appears that 3 kinds of people need religion. Those who are slow or illiterate and need to be led. Those who are to lazy to figure it out for themselves. Those who use religion to their own purposes. The rest of use know better.
@Tarotlynx
@Tarotlynx 2 жыл бұрын
Now, yes, in the light of science or, as was the case with a lot of pagans at the time, the stunning similarity of Christianity to other faiths. But for most people, they didn't think it over, or couldn't think it over. One had to be burned by god (for instance, how frequently Proverbs is wrong about the wicked being punished and the good rewarded, when in capitalism the opposite is eternally true) to realize it wasn't real.
@lh1673
@lh1673 2 жыл бұрын
Bible God: I want human to live happily so I made Eden, BUT I also want to control every single ways you live, especially women cuz I know she will miss my test, the future book I’m planning to write is called Leviticus and Numbers.
@mitchellminer9597
@mitchellminer9597 2 жыл бұрын
If a woman makes a vow in the middle of a desert, does it make a sound? Thanks for another jolly romp through the backstory. No wonder Christians are so messed up.
@missshaolina7286
@missshaolina7286 2 жыл бұрын
This is church for me. Keep on preaching. 😂
@manfromthepast
@manfromthepast 2 жыл бұрын
Yes 😂👍🏽
@ActiveAdvocate1
@ActiveAdvocate1 2 жыл бұрын
1. Snort, do you know how many women through history made vows against their father's wishes/ A LOT. This includes religious women, too: look at the Hindu saint Meera. She was married off to this rich dude, against her will, and she ran away from home FOUR DIFFERENT TIMES before she actually got out .Her dd wanted her to marry this dude because of money and alliances and stuff, and, in fairness to the husband, he did inevitably let her go, because she said that God 9Krishna in this case) was her real husband. There are a lot of different versions of this story, in some of which the husband is an abusive asshole, but that may have just been for dramatic effect. I think this all went down in, like...the 1400s? I like Meera. She was brave. But it happened to Christian females, too, who were later recognized as saints. 2. The vows I assume they mean is the woman dedicating herself to the Temple, or, well, it would BECOME the Temple once they'd conquered Canaan. But why is it only "rash" when women do it? Not in all cases, though: Mother Mary was, I do believe, dedicated to the Temple during her childhood, at least. I've heard stories about her being raised in the Temple, but I don't know how true that is. 3. See, though, this is sexual gatekeeping, oo, because a Temple woman would have had to remain chaste, of course. Same as Catholic nuns. But then her man can be like, "Nope, you don't get to do that," and I have ISSUES with that. Dad's very sympathetic to the fact that I have personally vowed never to return to Catholicism, and he would never order me back in (he's out himself, as a matter of fact), but if he tried to, I'd be like, "Bitch, PLEASE." I think we should be allowed to stand on our own freedom, honour, and integrity in keeping up our own vows.
@Tarotlynx
@Tarotlynx 2 жыл бұрын
That concept wasn't discovered until classical liberalism and the writings of Rousseau. Before that, individualism wasn't really a thing except occasionally for heroes and great leaders. The average person was entirely tied to their family and trapped under the aegis of the patriarch of the house. Which means, in practice, the idea of following your own interests rather than family dictate is very, very new. And, as usual, it almost never applied to women until feminism came along. Remember, there were two Kinsey reports. The first talked about men, and was only shocking in the admission that lots of men had sampled homosexual behavior. What got everyone livid wasn't the first report, but the second one. The second report was about women, and it found rather clearly that women have sexual desires, and pleasure, as much as men do. The public was outraged at the suggestion, especially the church.
@AmityvilleFan
@AmityvilleFan 2 жыл бұрын
Any vows. This'll come back once, with Jephte.
@Daniel-cz7kd
@Daniel-cz7kd 2 жыл бұрын
gagnashdiak x What do you mean by that?
@AmityvilleFan
@AmityvilleFan 2 жыл бұрын
@@Daniel-cz7kd I mean ANY vow you make to Biblegod, you cann ot retract. Also, Jephte will appear in judges. We all know what he did. He did what he vowed.
@Daniel-cz7kd
@Daniel-cz7kd 2 жыл бұрын
@@AmityvilleFan Except he made no vow to Biblegod besides the other details
@AmityvilleFan
@AmityvilleFan 2 жыл бұрын
@@Daniel-cz7kd Except Jephte vowed to sacrifice the first thing coming out of his house as burnt offering if he manages to commit genocide. He did just that: he won, thus kept his vow, and did a human sacrifice out of his own daughter. You m'ron.
@MatthewCaunsfield
@MatthewCaunsfield 2 жыл бұрын
Just when you think that women can't be further oppressed...here comes Numbers 30!
@Satans_lil_helper
@Satans_lil_helper 2 жыл бұрын
🖤🖤🖤
@alanhilder1883
@alanhilder1883 2 жыл бұрын
If the wife pledges " I will keep this bastard of a husband alive to the best of my ability " and the husband comes in to yell about it, then that pledge will no longer hold...
@alguno1010101
@alguno1010101 2 жыл бұрын
father and daughter scamming duo where the daughter makes promises in God's name and the father breaks them
@visaman
@visaman 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the writers meant marriage vows?
@mikebeagley
@mikebeagley 2 жыл бұрын
Didn't Moses have some sort of speech impediment and he always needed Aaron to do the talking for him? Maybe all these verses are to do with "vowels" (which were also NOT a thing in the written word back in this day?) Maybe Moses was simply trying to buy some vowels, and the scribe who was taking notes misheard due to Moses' poor annunciation?
@AmityvilleFan
@AmityvilleFan 11 ай бұрын
You missed something. Lines 10-15 are continuation of the widow-vow. Married, and yet-unmarried women were discussed 3-8. So a divorced or widow woman's vow can still be overruled by her husband! Those pesky zombie-husbands.
@MrOsmodeus
@MrOsmodeus 2 жыл бұрын
these relationships aren't dysfunctional, they're not qualified to be relationships. they're about as close as a prisoner and her guard
@mpumezohaka6856
@mpumezohaka6856 2 жыл бұрын
Go deeper sir.
@mrcombustiblelemon2902
@mrcombustiblelemon2902 2 жыл бұрын
Only 19 weeks until we reach the story of Jesus!
@Daniel-cz7kd
@Daniel-cz7kd 2 жыл бұрын
MrCombustibleLemon What do you mean? There’s no Jesus in 19 weeks
@mrcombustiblelemon2902
@mrcombustiblelemon2902 2 жыл бұрын
@@Daniel-cz7kd not by name, but his story is pretty explicitly told!
@amy_pieterse
@amy_pieterse 2 жыл бұрын
Yay
@floptaxie68
@floptaxie68 11 ай бұрын
What a waste of paper
@jeremysmetana8583
@jeremysmetana8583 2 жыл бұрын
Surely the Bible takes plenty of opportunities to marginalize women. But I think it's a mistake to approach EVERY SINGLE PASSAGE in it from a modern perspective of certainty that this could be the only outcome for anything you read in it. I think your confusion towards the end of the episode stems from a misunderstanding of when and how frequently the "nullifying" in these versus takes place. For instance, Numbers 30: 6 - 8. You seem to think this is a day-to-day thing, like... the husband listens all night to what the wife is saying in private, then nullifies it the next day. I don't think that's what we are seeing here. I think these are vows and obligations she made BEFORE they got married, and the husband has this ONE CHANCE ("speak now or forever hold your peace") maybe at the wedding, just before, or just after, to "nullify" them, or they stand. This is essentially a cuck-for-free-for-life/make all the decisions/leave this guy for the guy you already married in secret guarantee if the wife wears the pants in the household. If she kowtows him early enough, she's set for life (or until he dies with her still having a close male relative around). If you read it that way, and apply it across the board, all of your later confusion and questions evaporate. Imagine this scenario: the woman marries some guy she actually loves in secret. The father has meanwhile betrothed her to some asshat. Yes, it sucks that if the father finds out before the wedding to asshat, he can "nullify" her secret wedding, or if the fiancé/new husband Asshat finds out, he can do the same. But if they don't, she can go the priest after all is said and done, and say, these jackasses never nullified my original vows. And the priest will back her up. Voila - she is married to the first guy after all. More simply, this allows a wife/daughter to hold onto property or keep engagements the men have not "nullified," or even know about.
@Demopans5990
@Demopans5990 2 жыл бұрын
Ideally, this shouldn't have been needed to be done in the first place
@ericjanssen394
@ericjanssen394 2 жыл бұрын
For most modern Protestants, listening to an ex-Red-state atheist complain about every inappropriate passage in the OT is like a first generation Star Wars fan listen to some new kid rage about the Prequel trilogy. (“But why would Anakin turn to the dark side, just because he couldn’t save his mother??”): Ie., dude….nobody watches the freakin’ Prequels anymore. 🙄🤦
@shldnfr
@shldnfr 2 жыл бұрын
What a terrible analogy. That was so bad, it's a shame you weren't around 2000 years ago to add your nonsense to the bible fairy tales.
@ericjanssen394
@ericjanssen394 2 жыл бұрын
@@shldnfr What, you mean the analogy about the more balanced experts writing off the goofy, off-topic prequels that were written for a different audience at a different time, for a completely different purpose that had nothing to do with the main story, except for a bit of "Oh, THAT'S where that started"? I thought it worked...Work on it a bit, and then you'll figure out why most modern churches never read anything OT except for Psalms and Isaiah.
@ur22much2
@ur22much2 2 жыл бұрын
You would be better off studying the Aramaic Yeshua, than the idolized, and idealized "christian" Jesus. Search within.
@Assassin_of_Atheists
@Assassin_of_Atheists 2 жыл бұрын
Do you have knowledge or evidence of what a god is?
@smochygrice465
@smochygrice465 2 жыл бұрын
No. Hope you are well brother.
@hakureikura9052
@hakureikura9052 2 жыл бұрын
No, and you dont either. Now stop believing in magical sky daddies. You're a grown man for fuck's sake. Believing in bronze age fairy tales is very detrimental to our society.
@KeriRautenkranz
@KeriRautenkranz 2 жыл бұрын
All of the evidence or lack of seems to indicate that a god is someone else's Imaginary Friend.
@fordprefect5304
@fordprefect5304 2 жыл бұрын
Yes I do God is the *Flying Spaghetti Monster*
@shldnfr
@shldnfr 2 жыл бұрын
Only difference between an atheist and a theist is that the atheist believes in one less god than the theist.
@cabococarlos1936
@cabococarlos1936 2 жыл бұрын
I like your channel but I like your old channel the new channel I don't like it I like the old channel it's funnier it's smarter
@jameshall1300
@jameshall1300 2 жыл бұрын
Punctuation. It's a thing. Look it up.
@Assassin_of_Atheists
@Assassin_of_Atheists 2 жыл бұрын
So far how are you all liking God here in the Bible?
@John73John
@John73John 2 жыл бұрын
He's one part evil dictator and one part senile old man spouting off about random shit.
@Assassin_of_Atheists
@Assassin_of_Atheists 2 жыл бұрын
@@John73John Are you liking Him?
@John73John
@John73John 2 жыл бұрын
@@Assassin_of_Atheists Not really, no. I prefer to have someone benevolent and competent in charge.
@Assassin_of_Atheists
@Assassin_of_Atheists 2 жыл бұрын
@@John73John You mean someone like Christ.
@ookeekthelibrarian
@ookeekthelibrarian 2 жыл бұрын
@@Assassin_of_Atheists I find that your version of bible god is one of the more insane works of fiction that Homo sapiens have ever dreamed up.
@Daniel-cz7kd
@Daniel-cz7kd 2 жыл бұрын
Hemant or friendly atheist Well Hemant, once again “This chapter, like so many chapters, is all” about you saying stupid things and ignorant things. “What happened to all the rules about slaughtering animals?” What about them? How many sheep 🐑, goats 🐐 or cows 🐄 do you wanna slaughter now, especially after YOU called it murder? “I mean that seems pretty blasphemous.” Interesting, YOU point out something being blasphemous as if you have any inkling; you wanna discuss blasphemy... “Also, what vows?!” Really? “They don’t need God. They need a marriage counsellor.” Interesting Hemant, and are you the authority in such situations?
@canbest7668
@canbest7668 2 жыл бұрын
I think he’s great! It’s nice to see people poke fun at that ridiculous book
@shldnfr
@shldnfr 2 жыл бұрын
He's as much an authority as the goat herders who wrote your book 2000 years ago.
@fordprefect5304
@fordprefect5304 2 жыл бұрын
Baaaaa baaaa baaa
@lh1673
@lh1673 2 жыл бұрын
Ten Commandments thou shalt not kill (murder), but your God allowed killings😅for His Glory, even wanted to SMELL the dead flesh of those animals and SEE being them burnt. SENSIBLE LOVING HUMAN will never ever command animals to be killed cuz want a worship or for a glory for him.
@chrissonofpear1384
@chrissonofpear1384 2 жыл бұрын
And are we talking the original Ten Commandments? Or the REPLACEMENT set in Exodus 34:4-27? That are markedly less ambitious looking, also. I wonder which was considered definitive - outside of cherry picking?
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