Everything Wrong With Numbers 31 in the Bible

[@d.o.m.494]

This is the chapter that shows us how good and merciful the bible actually is.

[@kingsolomon7553]

The Bible is the news reporter, don't blame the Bible for reporting what went on in history.

[@feminotti3134]

@@kingsolomon7553 the argument you brought fails. It’s hair splitting/semantics. If “the bible” is merely the messenger where does blame lie? Why upon the moral monster that is the abrahamic god so well done on this account!

[@kingsolomon7553]

@@feminotti3134 What blame are you talking about? Reword your second question, I didn't quite understand it.

[@ShikataGaNai100]

@@kingsolomon7553 The God of the Bible isn't worthy of my praise; just my contempt. And, you are clueless.

[@alguno1010101]

@@kingsolomon7553 Yeah but Christians insist that it is the ultimate source of morals and wisdom inspired by the creator of the Universe, so it's useful to point out that it's none of that.

[@thescoobymike]

If these Moses stories were real then he would be one of the worst war criminals in history

[@shldnfr]

Right after god himself

[@alguno1010101]

To be fair, in those ancient times that kind of brutality was pretty much commonplace. Which makes it all more glaring that the Bible is just a text written by humans, without any kind of superior source.

[@KeriRautenkranz]

Fortunately, these fables defy the laws of physics so they couldn't possibly have happened. Unfortunately, they have inspired fanatics to unspeakable acts for millennia!

[@smochygrice465]

🤣

[@Demopans5990]

Moj Je Tata...

[@terryriley8963]

Just imagine the horror and grief that all the Midianite woman who have just seen their husbands slaughtered and the boys who have just seen their fathers slaughtered by the Israelites would have had to endure but at least they have been spared and allowed to live so that was a mercy and a relief. So these mothers and children now believe they have been spared but now God and Moses decide to kill them so they now have to endure the second horror of mothers watching their children being slaughtered and children watching their mothers being slaughtered. That is the most sickening, torturous and sadistic act only the Abrahamic God could think was okay and a good job well done.

[@Demopans5990]

And it continues. The Bosnian war had that going in spades. War crimes for everyone

[@lh1673]

And the problem is, the NT God was also watching it happen and will say My Father is LOVE.😅

[@Demopans5990]

@@lh1673 Well, from a matter of perspective, it is. The Serbian Chekniks and the Croatian Ustasha know this best

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

Terry Riley Interesting😏, first you have a horror and grief of women seeing husbands slaughtered and boys seeing fathers slaughtered, and then you have mothers endure a second horror of watching their children being slaughtered and children watching their mothers being slaughtered. I mean, which one was first, the mothers watching the children or the children watching the mothers?

[@terryriley8963]

@@Daniel-cz7kd I very much doubt if the Israelites made any real humane effort with the slaughter so it would have been a chaotic event where the Israelites just piled in and killed woman and boys as they came across them so the lucky ones, woman and children, will have been hacked to death early on and the rest of the woman and children would have had watch the horrific slaughter whilst waiting for their turn. What bothers me about your reply is you seem to totally dismiss or do not understand the actual horror and savagery of the slaughter of these woman and children but you question who watched who being slaughtered first? Maybe I should pay more attention to describing the detail about the order of these barbaric savage slaughters rather than just condemning them.

[@joyceandrews1617]

Did everyone including Moses forget that Moses married a Midianite.

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

Joyce Andrews I don’t think so

[@lh1673]

Thank you for reminding, such a stupid story.

[@vernonchitlen8958]

@@lh1673 Yeh, nothing like the story, all life arose, miss universe, peaches, hummingbirds, giant sequoias etc; from a perfectly dead, virginal, dumb as the rock of Jesus’s empty tomb, warm little pond, prebiotic soup or whatever? And being critical of Jesus’s resurrection? And no one has demonstrated how a single protein emerged from the 98 elements without the influence of intelligence. Miller Urey experiments, even cheating, using compounds and one element, that would provide only carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen. Which they knew amino acids are made of. Excluding all other 94 elements. Still only producing 23 amino acids of 500+ kinds, never more than 12 of the 20 particular 20 that proteins are made of. Not a single protein. From their first experiment in 1952 and other variations they and others conducted to 2021. Even if they produced a collection of all 20 sufficient for making a modest protein, the problem of amino acids in proteins are their being in 100% left handed forms. Plus energy needs to be applied to make the peptide bond between them, and they being specifically oriented, alpha amino-alpha carboxyl group and the sequences of which those 20 can make that defines a protein’s function and folding into it’s 3D shape. Romans 1:18-22, even to 32.

[@alguno1010101]

he's like Milhouse's dad when he remembers that his wife is from Shelbyville

[@xxCr7xx823]

​@@lh1673 dont say that pls..why are you disrespecting this?

[@MG-ot2yr]

This has to be one of the worst atrocities in the Bible, and Christians just ignore it, its indefensible.

[@tallman2210]

They do worse than ignore it. Apologists try to justify it.

[@Nobody_____________]

Atheists. I love how he just twisted scripture and lies to ur faces

[@aking4130]

@@Nobody_____________What did he twist?

[@Nobody_____________]

@@aking4130 too much to explain. Watch Sam Shamoun or a different Christian answer this bc this has been answered forever ago

[@aking4130]

@@Nobody_____________ I’ve already watched several videos and read several articles. It’s all the same. It’s just Christians performing the Christian tap dance of justifying genocide and sex slavery.

[@scienceexplains302]

Yahweh needed Moses for one last genocide before Moses could die.

[@MaxtheFinger]

Thank you, Hamet, I always appreciate your take on things.

[@yongyang4544]

The chapter that I have been waiting for 👀

[@apostateturtle1960]

I haven't read through the Pentateuch since I was a teenager, so I forgot how long Numbers was. Looking back I'm genuinely impressed with my younger self for slogging through this thing with no commentaries, no footnotes or devotionals in my Bible, and zero scaffolding from adults. But you know, I was "never a real Christian."

[@ericjanssen394]

And I was never a real Judaic, either, which is why I never read it for most of my Lutheran years, except out of smartypants-detail curiosity. But, um, yeah, Moses, bad man, all that.

[@licioussamuels]

Penta what,, 😊

[@alguno1010101]

Ah, the Bible, the cornerstone of Western morality.

[@KeriRautenkranz]

And how it shows.....

[@stephenhill8790]

That explains a lot 😂

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

alguno1010101 Isn’t the Bible the cornerstone of Eastern morality also?

[@stephenhill8790]

@@Daniel-cz7kdmore middle Eastern

[@alguno1010101]

@@Daniel-cz7kd they're more into Confucius I think

[@panqueque445]

The bible literally reads like an account of event from the point of view of the bad guys.

[@jokkehasa5298]

"An aroma UNpleasing to the Lord" killed me 🤣

[@werewolfantipaladin]

Now We know where they got all the animals for those ridiculous sacrifices demanded

[@MatthewCaunsfield]

This chapter has war, death, slavery; all the parts of the Bible which certain theists will try and claim their god doesn't promote!

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

Matt Bell Which theists claim their god doesn’t promote war, death and slavery? They should know they all do.

[@MatthewCaunsfield]

@@Daniel-cz7kd Yes they should know, but countless videos on KZbin would seem to indicate the opposite

[@TheMilitantMazdakite]

@@Daniel-cz7kd Please stop lumping in all theists in with this disgusting garbage. Ahura Mazda is a god of Peace, wisdom, love, and compassion.

[@thescoobymike]

Hemant and his special Bible-reading shirt

[@KeriRautenkranz]

Behold, the Shirt Of Reason!

[@ShikataGaNai100]

The God of the Bible isn't worthy of my praise; just my contempt.

[@KeriRautenkranz]

Don't forget that the Followers of the "God" of the Bible are either mislead and ignorant of their own Deity or evil beyond compare. Their judgement should always be suspect and their integrity questioned.

[@AllisonReyez]

the Bible is not the word of God its just an ancient religious text. But God is real

[@arielle2745]

💓💖💗 Great analysis, Hemant!

[@brunozeigerts6379]

God commanded Moses to kill the Midianites. Moses replied, 'You do it! Why do we have to do your dirty work? You run out of fire and brimstone? God replied, 'How dare you?" Moses retorted, 'What are you going to do? Kill me? Keep me out of the promised land?'

[@KeriRautenkranz]

"Je-Hov-Ah! Jehova! Jehova!" 😅 Great Life of Brian vibes with Moses' retort!

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

Bruno Zeigerts So you’ve found the passage between God and Moses no one else can find?

[@brunozeigerts6379]

@@Daniel-cz7kd Who knows? With all the books left out of the bible, and all the translations over the years, maybe that's in there. I mean, there's an apocryphal text where Jesus murders classmates that offend him.

[@brunozeigerts6379]

@@KeriRautenkranz 'I'm warning you, if you say Jehovah one more time...' Classic bit.

[@jonathanmarkoff4469]

@@brunozeigerts6379 That halibut was good enough for Jehovah!

[@AtheistInvasion]

Apologies if someone else brought this up in the comments, but a disgusting irony and hypocrisy that I rarely see mentioned is the fact that the only reason Moses is alive to begin with at this point is because, with the help of others, he managed to avoid an edict from the Egyptian Pharaoh to kill all the male Israelite children. And here he is now as an adult, however many years later, issuing the EXACT SAME ORDER that that Egyptian monarch did..."kill all the boys"...jfc The only difference between "Moses" and "Pharaoh" is how you spell the name.

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

John Go What do you mean by that?

[@AtheistInvasion]

@@Daniel-cz7kd I didn't mince words, I thought my meaning was clear enough. Which part are you having difficulty parsing?

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

@@AtheistInvasion First, Pharaoh is not a name, it’s a title.

[@mintybadger6905]

Finally made it to this little story. Aron Ra did a really good job of making this chapter come alive with the horror of it all.

[@grapeshot]

You think about it Mosaic law isn't all that different from Sharia.

[@kellydalstok8900]

Quran is also plagiarism, just like the bible.

[@smochygrice465]

Same God different profits 😁

[@hakureikura9052]

god be creating christianity then creating islam then doing a ken watanabe "let them fight" famous meme qoute.

[@TheMilitantMazdakite]

@@smochygrice465 Same demon different liars. ALL HAIL AHURA MAZDA!!!

[@abhmd4481]

Where does sharia law state anything about killing little girls and boys?

[@QueenBoadicea]

12:58 This god is supposed to be omnipotent. What does he need with all that gold? Oh, right. We're describing the very foundations of a megachurch.

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

QueenBoadicea Newsflash, no god is nor can be omnipotent

[@TheMilitantMazdakite]

@@Daniel-cz7kd Are you going to regurgitate the omniptiance paradox?

[@billjohnston882]

There being no Israelite casualties makes me think the Midiaites were a peaceful people with no ill will towards the Israelites.

[@epicofgilgamesh9964]

Moses' wife was a Midianite.

[@KeriRautenkranz]

It makes me think the Midianites were completely paralyzed . Even if they were physically 1/4 the size and strength of an Israelite there would be some Israelite casualties. Actually, it makes me think it's a giant Fairy Tale!

[@johnnyjohn-johnson7738]

More peaceful than Alderaan.

[@shivli6088]

They burned their babies as an offering to their evil gods. They raped their own children and sold their girls. They were a wicked evil people. This man is misleading you and not speaking the Bible in context and not telling the whole story kzbin.info/www/bejne/govIgHSkesRggrcsi=qgQJfVGxoNfPXyy5

[@oscargordon]

Let's be clear about one thing. Culturally at this time females were married off and presumably no longer virgins before they had their first period, so around 12 to 14 years old. So the the only surviving Midianites were 32,000 pre-pubescent girls. What was the total population, of Midian anyway, well over several hundred thousand? How is it that the Israelites are always complaining about not having food and water yet they are living near Midian where they have almost a half million head of livestock? The total population of the planet prior to the Late Bronze Age collapse was only estimated to be around 25 to 75 million people. Should I mention that the area that has been identified as Midian was not settled until the 8th to 7th century BCE so some 600 years after this story is suppose to have taken place.

[@garryferrington811]

Well, that's interesting.

[@justanotheropinion5832]

Really weird how a new god shows up every time one group wants to destroy another group.

[@XfromDarkHorse]

As an ex-Christian atheist, this verse is gross.

[@BlackJ1234]

its gross coz u only read a verse of a chapter of a book of sixty six other books combined its kinda like judging the earth to be the only planet in the entire universe

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

​@@BlackJ1234 why couldnt everything be put in 1 book? Wouldnt an all knowing god be able to know how to do so?

[@Krazycat]

My favourite book of the hebrew scriptures, showing the true nature of Yahweh (Jehovah) who is a most evil, and sinful, of all Gods, I was a Jehovah's Winess and we were taught that this scripture is a foregleam of how Jehovah is going to make sure that every man, woman, child, and baby that are not Jehovah's witnesses will be killed at Armagedon

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

Peter Pride I thought Jehovah’s Witnesses believed in one God, Jehovah, not Gods.

[@Krazycat]

@@Daniel-cz7kd I was comparing Jehovah to the pagan gods of the time, sorry for the confusion

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

@@Krazycat Oh, ok

[@willj1598]

It's good to be out, I can't believe I used to believe such a thing was acceptable.

[@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2]

The word "Jehovah" is an EXCEPTIONALLY _bad_ translation/transliteration of the Hebrew into Latin. It first messed up the consonant sounds, then in the absence of vowel sounds, a completely different word ("Adonai") was mashed into it, because... reasons!

[@accretiondisk5552]

Who will be leading us in prayer on this glorious Sunday morning😎

[@hansj5846]

This is where Moses the murderer turns into a genocidal monster. Well done god 👏👏👏🌈🏳️‍⚧️

[@KeriRautenkranz]

Slaughtering all the firstborn of Egypt and the entire Egyptian Army didn't count?

[@robertmiller9735]

Well, people usually do cheer on the criminals in a heist movie, that's what the genre is about. But they're not genocidal mass murderers.

[@smochygrice465]

I'm so lucky to never of been a christian, what a horrible club thing it is.

[@KeriRautenkranz]

I'm happy for you to not have been through it. I was fortunate to have never bought into it.

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

Smochy Grice Well actually, it’s much better in the long run than atheism club.

[@epicofgilgamesh9964]

@@Daniel-cz7kd According to your Hebrew fiction, Daniel. Other religions have hells as well you know? Are you sure you're in the right religion? Maybe read more than one book. Look up: *"January | 2014 | Atheomedy"* - Where the Hell Did the Idea of Hell Come From? *"Retired bishop explains the reason why the Church invented "Hell" - Ideapod"* Watch *"The Origins of Salvation, Judgement and Hell"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica (Sensitive theists should only watch from 7:00 to 17:30 minutes as evangelical Christians are lambasted. He's a former theist and has been studying the scholarship and comparative religions for over 15 years)

[@smochygrice465]

@@Daniel-cz7kd Nah can't see who with all the ritual and church activities, seems like a time sink in the long run to me.

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

@@epicofgilgamesh9964 Interesting, sure I’ve heard of many of those religions, tell me, if Hebrew is fiction, how do you know any or all those other religions are not as well? And if all are fiction, where do you find and get truth?

[@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2]

*It's important to remember that when the Bible uses the word "neighbour" it ONLY means "Israelite".*

[@no.-trip4304]

oy vey stop noticing goy!!!

[@CCP-Lies]

So "love thy neighbor" is out of context? LOL

[@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2]

@@CCP-Lies they are the "neighbour" (and someone who does you a favour). That's it. Yahweh is the war god of the Israelites, so why would it mean anyone else?

[@rcblazer]

Numbers 31 is like Die Hard if John McClain wasn't in it to stop the murderous bad guys from robbing the vault.

[@johnnyjohn-johnson7738]

More like Platoon (1986).

[@rcblazer]

@@johnnyjohn-johnson7738 Another fine example.

[@danielrhouck]

In any other chapter, if you’d said God needed his cut of the slaves, I’d assume you meant God needed the Israelites to cut a certain part off the slaves.

[@lh1673]

I don’t know how can anyone continue to say this Bible God is sensible reading this chapter 😮

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

L H It’s easy, once you learn to open your mind, think and understand

[@lh1673]

@@Daniel-cz7kd Yes, my gut told me to open my eyes and read this book seriously by my thinking ability. I regret trusted Christian pastor’s interpretation, and any individual’s interpretation, excuses, and cherry-picking. We should never let our minds be controlled by others, especially about god, must seek sensible answers.

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

@@lh1673 You’re correct, we should never let our minds be controlled by god, and indeed we must seek sensible answers; as there have been, there will be pastors and teachers who will teach incorrectly, one of the main reasons the Bible points out to be on guard against false teachings, and use the scriptures as God’s guide to find good teachers.

[@stevewebber707]

There's a rather circular justifications for things like the genocides. They deserved it because they were sinners. And sin is essentially God not liking them. When you have sufficient justification for genocide, just based on a claim of a people doing things they claim is against their God's will, You'd best hope the members of that group have a better morality than their religion.

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

Steve Webber Actually, first is not and second is unfortunately no

[@stevewebber707]

@@Daniel-cz7kd Well, I'm happier when Christians don't attempt to justify genocides.

[@willj1598]

@@Daniel-cz7kd But if God created everything did he not create sin? If he did not create sin then he created the situation where it would exist. If he is all knowing didn't he foresee that humans would select the path of sin? Why is he so angry with us, and mistreating us, for his own failed design?

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

@@willj1598 Taking a little of what Coriakin said, some of those are rather delicate questions, of course depends on if you do want to know

[@willj1598]

@@Daniel-cz7kd Why would there be any delicate questions with an omnipotent and omniscient God. Shouldn't there just be a straightforward answer to such basic questions? Of course I'm interested, who wouldn't be interested in a definitive answer to how everything works? Of course the answer needs to hold up to some scrutiny.

[@blksmagma]

Just a reminder that those 32 women that were "tributes for the lord" were actually sacrificed. In the King James version, it specifically says that they were an offering. In a chapter that comes after one that describes how to prepare that offering. Also, exactly how did the men check if those women are virgin or not? You know, besides the one that are obviously prepubescent.

[@blksmagma]

Lastly, notice how in this story Moses says that it's the Midianites that cause the plague. But if you go back to the actual chapter where this event happened, it was the Moabites who "caused the plague". Which means, if any of this actually happened, that God commanded the death of a whole tribe of people on mistaken identity. It's verses like these that are a really good example of why the Documentary Hypothesis has merit.

[@athena3865]

Reading the bible made me an Ex-Christian.

[@BlackJ1234]

nope makes u an idiot

[@grapeshot]

Yeah it kind of reminds of this white guy I knew that was very hypocritical when it came down to interracial relationships he was upset with me because my girlfriend is Filipina. But his girlfriend is black.

[@neelandrennie8791]

The lord said,,, yea right its called the book of lies hate, murder and thief...

[@PaulaBean]

Numbers 31 isn't mentioned in sunday schools.

[@patelk464]

It is no wonder Christians concentrate on the NT. They just forget to mention that Jesus never condemned any of the actions by his egoistic jealous murderous father. They justify the action of their omnibenevolent God by stating that he wanted Isrealites to be pure and that his ten commandments does not apply if they are carrying out God's command.

[@AndrewJens]

And not just "never condemned"; their "jesus" wholeheartedly supported the old testament bullshit (matthew 5: 17-18, john 10: 35, mark 7: 13).

[@shriggs55]

Because of the so-called "new covenant," Christians think they can ignore the nasty atrocities and laws of the old testament.They carefully pick the old testament scriptures that make them feel good and that fit nicely into their comforting little devotionals.They either ignore the "bad verses" or listen to their preachers/teachers/apologists cover them up and tell them what those verses "really mean." But the one that Jesus called "Father" is the Yahweh of the old testament,and those Laws of the old test.,according to Jesus,would not be removed before heaven and earth passed away.

[@patelk464]

@@shriggs55 it also has to be remembered that one of the foundational Christian doctrines is that Jesus is God. He is the Jehovah/YHWH/Yahweh. So he is the God that ordered the slaughter of potentially millions of people to in his attempt to achieve his pure race. So although Christians cites examples of 'good' Jesus, it is an attempt to whitewash his genocidal orders in OT. Creationist claim that we are all one race which does not make sense in this context.

[@justasiaint3425]

@@patelk464 I think where they get confused(some willingly)is when they compare (in their minds anyway)Jesus in the new test. to Yahweh in the old test. It looks like Jesus is "Yahweh light." They do mental gymnastics in trying to reconcile the two testaments.But they need to know that the god of the old test.doesn't change-it says that in many places in the Bible.Therefore,whether one wants to treat Jesus and Yahweh as being different or how they acted differently from one dispensation to the other-the being that committed the atrocities in the tanakh-was the one that Jesus repeatedly called his "Father"-and whom Jesus said that, when you see me you've seen the father.

[@lh1673]

So true, since my awakening from this book, at first I noticed the nonsense of OT so tried to stick on NT, but found out that there are scriptures in NT that Jesus refers OT God as LOVE and some OT events as if occured, which will mean Jesus was watching all the nonsense happenings in OT, and it’s okay for him too. This shocked me but convinced me 100%, something is actually wrong with this whole book.

[@tomschmidt381]

So to summarize, the god of the bible created humans in his image and wants a personal relationship with each one, on some occasions even helping believers find their car keys. Yet on multiple occasions he pits the Israelites against neighboring tribes to kill and enslave them. How does this make any sense of the behavior of an entity powerful enough to create the universe?

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

Tom Schmidt It makes absolutely no sense, as many people, who’ve studied and understood the truth and righteousness of the Bible, have explained many times, no god of the bible ever created humans, much less the universe, many have corrupted humans to their image sure, just like the corrupted earth, but not created

[@KeriRautenkranz]

There is a logic, sort of.... these fables can be used to intimidate, brainwash, control and subjugate entire populations. In fact, these fables have been refined over millennia to do just that.

[@GeneralArmorus]

here we are, this must be THE numbers chapter

[@merbst]

Its like Romeo and Juliet, with more bloodshed!

[@willj1598]

I think it's time for Moses to renegotiate his contact. Perhaps he tells God "what if I don't kill them, are you going to do, gather me toy people?" I think Moses should have called god's bluff a lot sooner.

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

Will J YOU try renegotiate with God or call ‘god’s’ bluff, just be ready when you meet them and don’t say I didn’t warn you

[@willj1598]

@@Daniel-cz7kd I've already challenged this alleged god's existence or authority many times. I'll do it again now; God, I don't think you're real, and if you did all this stuff the Bible says you did you're a real jerk. Thanks for the warning but I think I'll be alright and if God smites a stupid sinful mortal such as myself for calling him a jerk then my point is proven.

[@mariolis]

​@@Daniel-cz7kdAbraham was quite successful at negotiating with god back in Genesis ...

[@andrewschaeffer8147]

You asked what kind of war has no casualties. No casualties means it was an ambush not a fair war

[@KeriRautenkranz]

How does one ambush an established people in their native land with no casualties? With the help of The Hebrew War God, apparently.

[@brunozeigerts6379]

Or nobody died. Wounded soldiers are still casualties. Though, in primitive times... even minor wounds could be a death sentence.

[@feminotti3134]

Excellent work kind sir. I am hoping you don’t stop this series at the end of the old testament because who constantly praised moses down the road? Said that that genocidal sociopath sat at the right hand of god?

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

Feminotti Heather Who said that?!

[@feminotti3134]

@@Daniel-cz7kd jesus

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

@@feminotti3134 Are you serious? Where ever does jesus say any of that?

[@feminotti3134]

@@Daniel-cz7kd First, I made a mistake. jesus didn't say moses sat at the right hand of god. Instead, he supposedly said, "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in moses' seat," and then goes on one of his hypocritical rants about the scribes and pharisees being a bunch of hypocrites --matt 23:2. Why? Because jesus clearly held moses' seat in high esteem and had no problem with moses having such an esteemed seat in the first place. Then there's the verse where jesus supposedly cleanses a man with leprosy of leprosy; matt 8:4 "And jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that moses commanded, for a testimony unto them." I wonder what the "gift" moses commanded the man to give to the priest was. Do you know? No matter, it's clear that jesus was okay enough with moses to expect that guy to follow moses' command. matt 17:1-4 the supposed transfiguration of jesus; "(3) And, behold, there appeared unto them (peter, james, and john, his brother) moses and e-li'as talking with (jesus). (4) Then answered peter, and said unto jesus, lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for moses, and one for e-li'as." jesus was talking to moses and didn't call him out for any of the atrocities he committed?!! What the hell was wrong with jesus that he didn't call out moses when moses was supposedly standing right there? Oh, yea, he thought moses was freaking awesome. That's enough for now Daniel.

[@ericjanssen394]

​@@feminotti3134 "First I made a mistake:" Yyyyeah. 😄 When Jesus refers to Moses, he's referring to the PRACTICES and laws the Hebrews believe were set down by Moses, ie., following the traditions of their faith, which good Hebrews believed was the whole point. Not that He had to like the man, particularly as a few of the ideas were already on the chopping block.

[@noahmclaughlin7921]

As someone who knew the story of Moses through the prince of Egypt (an absolutely amazing movie still) it's insane going from sweet and well intentioned "let my people go" Moses, to "Why the hell did you let the women and children survive our genoicde? Cmon, just leave the virgins for sacrifices" Moses.

[@mariolis]

And as the movie also shows... Moses MARRIED a Midianite and after someone else did the same he now commands the Extermination of the Midianites ? Did he forget about his own wife ?

[@lotanerve]

What? No diamonds?

[@akirk1573]

yeah, man. The YHVH god was a vicious god. when the text refers to Elohim, there other gods about, as Elohim is plural noun.

[@JUZE101]

You should talk about what the medianites did to praise their god Baal Peor

[@thescoobymike]

Balaam really went out like that huh

[@Craxin01]

Anyone who says that God is good and can defend this chapter don't understand the concept of goodness.

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

Craxin01 And what is the concept of goodness?

[@margaretbarrett6087]

Anyone who can read the christian genocide manual, aka the bible, and not recoil in horror and revulsion at the gratuitously cruel atrocities committed or commanded by the brutal, barbaric, bloodthirsty deity therein, has suspended all pity, empathy and compassion.

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

@@margaretbarrett6087 Is that supposed to be an answer?

[@margaretbarrett6087]

@@Daniel-cz7kd Answer to what? I was responding/agreeing to the OP

[@gide5489]

Tin and lead through the fire to be purified...? This god does not know the laws of physics? Or is it a miraculously very cold fire?

[@KeriRautenkranz]

Well, these fictional Bronze-Age charlatans were mostly stomping around slaughtering everything they can find. While the could build a fire hot enough to melt tin they probably wouldn't bother especially if they were going to keep the tin, lead or what have you.

[@travissimpson7829]

Every time I show this passage to Christians, they try to say it doesn't say what it clearly says lol

[@Maryfs1]

I wonder why people always leave this part out? /s

[@TheCount991]

I guess Balaam should have gone ahead with the cursing. Oops.

[@KeriRautenkranz]

May it serve as a warning to all mystics!

[@ActiveAdvocate1]

1. Zipporah got shafted in the Bible. "The Prince of Egypt" characterizes her like a freaking badass, though. Just go watch that. 2. Hang on: wasn't Balaam the dude with the talking donkey? I can't remember any of these dudes' names Anymore. (After-note: Oh hey, I was right!). XD 3. "Have you allowed all of the women to live?" Somehow, that wasn't a curve-ball. I wonder why...? I'm disturbed by the fact that he specifically uses the word "girl", though. Why/ Ahem..."Lolita, light of my life, fire of my loins, my sin, my soul. Lolita. The tip of the tongue taking a trip of three steps down the palette to tap, at three, upon the teeth: Lo. Li. Ta." Anyone here get my drift? Abigail Thorn said it's the worst possible book to be listening to in the car if you get pulled over by the cops. 4. Remember that these priests weren't Catholic, Buddhist, Jain, or Hindu. They didn't have to stay celibate. It's actually very encouraged for both rabbis and imams to have children. Just NOT by captive girls, guys, come on! 5. Why do I get the feeling that this would have been one of the parts of Scripture that slave-holders in the American south would have appealed to? See, though? You can make the Bible say anything you want it to. 6. You can't believe we're talking about gold after committing a genocide? Uh, yeah. Where do you think the British Empire got its hubris in raiding India, just as ONE example. But I'm using that one because of your familial history, eh. India was even called "the jewel in her majesty's crown", because the place is so rich in gold, and SUPER expensive spices. Do you know how expensive saffron is? HOLY SHIT levels of expensive. Not to mention, you know, all of North America.

[@alguno1010101]

To be fair, Zipporah had that ninja moment in Exodus where she manages to cut off her child's foreskin and throw it in front of God before he kills Moses. With a little boast and everything. She must have been very good with knives.

[@brunozeigerts6379]

I've understood that all numbers in the bible... and even other ancient histories, were exaggerated by ten. So 12000 becomes 1200. Sounds more plausible at least. Doesn't make the massacre any less horrific.

[@ericjanssen394]

But does explain how Noah could be 600 years old. Never could figure that out.

[@ShikataGaNai100]

"Moses doesn't the real." - Sir Sic

[@CarolBlanchard1]

Numbers 31 was the chapter that started me on my journey from devout Christian to Atheist, I mean WTF? genocide and rape brought to us by this all loving god?

[@jagartharn]

This passage sickens me.

[@willj1598]

Thankfully I don't believe it actually happened. But if it were true it would be very sickening indeed. People who think the events described here are acceptable should be ashamed of themselves.

[@dvonzosch461]

@2:34 Genesis 25:1-2 says that Abraham had several sons, one of which is " Midian ", the father of the Midianite nation that YahwehJesus ordered destroyed, except for the " women children, to keep alive for yourselves " --- curiously, YahwehJesus is claimed to hate the exact same nations that the bible authors hated, regardless of ancestral bonds ; maybe he hadn't discovered DNA yet.

[@tomsenior7405]

God isn't an evil monster; she is just misunderstood.

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

Tom Senior Where do you get ‘she’?

[@tomsenior7405]

@@Daniel-cz7kd Good Morning Daniel. I hope you are well. I have heard it said that God is omnipotent. If this is true, then God can do anything. If God wants to be a 'she', then 'she' can be a 'she'. I am not going to question the choices made by an all-powerful deity.

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

@@tomsenior7405 And yet, all throughout scripture, God’s always referred to as ‘He’.

[@wyldink1]

@@Daniel-cz7kd Does God have a Y chromosome?

[@tomsenior7405]

@@Daniel-cz7kd Hello again Daniel. Fair thee well? You don't need to call it scripture anymore, all my copies of the Bible are printed, not hand-written. I wager that your copies are also printed. You have no way of knowing how God entertains himself/herself/itself/themself. God isn't even human. What need does God have of external genitals anyway?

[@leallison648]

Did the Alien entity who called himself Yahweh, which is one of many names he went by, really took for himself some of the virgin girls? And if the answer is yes, wtf did he do with them? More to the point, why would this god, who is worshipped as the “Creator” of the universe and everything within, need virgin girls? Something is really, really wrong here.🤔

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

Leallison Where do you get an Alien entity, that’s this god, who is worshipped as the “Creator”, who calls himself Yahweh from?

[@leallison648]

@@Daniel-cz7kd Those who seek the truth will surely find it. The truth is there for everyone but not everyone will accept it.

[@Panikdemet]

Also please someone ask DarkMatter to animate this !!!

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

Project 4 Giving You mean DarkMatter2525?

[@The_Other_Ghost]

To be fair, in a good heist movie, you do cheer for the criminals.

[@apetoast3671]

I was waiting for this chapter. One of the darkest and most disgusting stories in the bible

[@nickrich56]

It must have been a horrible life aimlessly wandering around the desert wondering what the old guy everyone was following was gonna do next. Kinda like when Forrest Gump ran across the country.

[@johnferrandino4666]

Exceptional episode

[@josephharrism.d.1056]

What did Balaam do wrong to get bumped off?

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

Joseph Harris M. D. Weren’t you following along with the Biblical reading 📖?

[@willj1598]

More importantly, what happened to the donkey? I really liked him.

[@KeriRautenkranz]

@@willj1598 I think this chapter was written or at lest dictated by Darth Donkey.

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

@@willj1598 Depends

[@willj1598]

@@Daniel-cz7kd Depends on what, I really like donkeys. He better not have done anything to the donkey.

[@mariolis]

Moses implemented the Final Solition to the Midianite question ,and also to a lot of other questions throughought the nible

[@Panikdemet]

Something similar probably does appear in the quran :3

[@iancampbell1316]

What are the priests doing with the virgins? Sale? Rent? Use?

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

Ian Campbell Are you asking as Hemant asks or to learn and understand?

[@iancampbell1316]

@@Daniel-cz7kd Don't know who Hemant is or why asking the question form that perspective would make a difference in what the answer would be. Also, I'm always seeking to learn and understand.

[@KeriRautenkranz]

@@iancampbell1316 Welcome! Probably: Sale, Rent and (Ab)Use! Fortunately, it's all a giant horror-story work of Fiction. Unfortunately, many people who should know better profess belief in this vile Bible.

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

@@iancampbell1316 How long have you watched the series?

[@iancampbell1316]

@@Daniel-cz7kd I believe I've watch all of them.

[@bjdufour2297]

As a pick up line "as I read the book of numbers I realized I didn't have yours. " Anyone think it would work? 🤣

[@no1ofimport271]

Maybe in a church setting. lol

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

Bj Dufour Hardly, I can imagine her reply

[@willj1598]

Brilliant, I could absolutely see a younger version of these megachurch preachers with his slick backed hair saying this. Probably to an underaged girl.

[@shriggs55]

What is god going to do with 32 virgins ?

[@fordprefect5304]

Oh, come on. Everyone knows the Holy Spook likes to rape virgins.

[@matthewtucker2103]

I became an atheist when I questioned how the Israelites knew which of the girls were virgins and which were not. No God of love would allow this to happen.

[@KeriRautenkranz]

Congratulations on your skepticism and intact sense of Reason. May it serve you well. The Hebrew War God Jahweh is as far from a God of Love as one can get. His Zombie son didn't fall far from the tree, either.

[@SculptyWorks]

I call BS on those numbers!

[@jasons5904]

Learning the Bible from this man is like learning quantum physics from Moses.

[@tealx8462]

Did not the Bible say that this God created, ALL MEN??? This God was only a Tribal God!!! This is the proof, among others!!!

[@fordprefect5304]

Read Deuteronomy 32-8. Yes, Yahweh was a tribal god.

[@tealx8462]

Not the God of ALL!!!

[@CCP-Lies]

Bi6ble never ever mentioned China and India which was very populated and advanved during biblical timeline. It always talks about Israelites and kingdoms near it

[@tealx8462]

@@CCP-Lies Right!

[@addictedtonotsmoking2893]

If it's too soon for Moses to die because he has yet to kill the Midianites, then he should protect his own life by protecting theirs. It would be a win-win situation. Unfortunately, Moses was so bloodthirsty that he was willing to spill his own blood in order to maximize the carnage.

[@realandar]

Wait, say what? A thousand from each tribe? So 12 thousand men? And they came back with 32,000 girls? So how many men did they kill? Without any casualties of their own?

[@KeriRautenkranz]

Well, we can assume that 32,000 pre-puberty females had fathers and maybe grandfathers, so figure maybe 10,000 - 20,000 fathers and maybe 10,000 grandfathers, so maybe 30,000 males of fighting age? Plus the boys, mothers and even the 32,000 surviving girls probably didn't just sit and watch their friends, families and entire nation destroyed. If you think this doesn't add up in the Israelites favor, you're right!

[@karnobot9814]

My favorite bible passage right here. An example of good God.

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

Karn Obot Interesting viewpoint yet correctly pointed out 👍🏽

[@Sonic_Shroom]

Wow. Moses must be very rich now. Time to sit down for a good barbeque.

[@letsgococo288]

Ahhh the part of Moses history Hollywood left out of their movie!!

[@daveleejones3060]

Its funny how you never hear this reading from the pulpit on a Sunday

[@CCP-Lies]

The Bible has been whitewashed by missionaries, priests, pastors, ministries, etc

[@Audio_Bible_Malti]

Imagine that literally God is in your midst. Doing amazing signs and wonders that you cannot deny. At the same time you violate something that you know it has severe consequences. That is why the punishment is severe because this person exactly knew what he was doing and rebelling against God whom by day would come in a cloud and by night as a pillar of fire. The problem with society is that they love sin and don't see how evil is in the sight of God. That is why Jesus came to set us free from the bondage of the law. We're under grace. Repent whilst you still have time. God bless you.

[@bitofwizdomb7266]

Yaweh is not a nice man

[@AssassinoJake]

I saw someone post a comment, not here, saying "numbers 25-30 gave context for that*" *that, being genocide. Yeah i dont see how the "context" helped.

[@penyopetrov7081]

Thanks to You I managed to reach so deep in the Bible.! My mind can't comprehends those hell-stories without your sarcasm 😈😈😈

[@cgmoran91]

Wasn't Moses's wife a Zaphora and his father who adviced Moses an Midianite? I agree why Baalam. Many Christians talk positively about him. How many know he was killed.

[@KenAnderson-i5b]

Yeah, Moses sinned. And?

[@mariolis]

6:00 actually , it IS in the quran

[@cfltheman]

Which surah and verse?

[@mariolis]

​​​​@@cfltheman"what your right hand possesses" rule

[@katherineheufel6953]

This chapter is like an episode of Vikings.

[@mariolis]

Wasnt Moses also married to a Midianite woman back in Exodus ? And now Moses is commanding their extermination because someone else did the same ?

[@OlafsonN]

Liked 👍

[@Nkosi766]

The medinites ? Isn’t that Moses in-laws, and where he met the smoke bush, the dude that helped him set up his government

[@Irisarc1]

The protagonists of heist movies usually ARE the criminals, but whatever. Point taken.

[@lh1673]

If God wanted such amount of animals to survive when in same time wanted punishment, why did He drowned animals at the great flood!? Did He regret that He drowned those animals😅