Terminator Salvation - The Reboot that Bankrupted a Franchise | Anatomy Of A Failure

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Terminator Salvation tried to revive the Terminator franchise in 2009 by a launching new trilogy of movies, starring Christian Bale as John Connor and Avatar's Sam Worthington as Marcus Wright, a human Terminator hybrid. The plan didn't work out though, because the movie flopped at the box office and became a box office disaster and the company behind it went bankrupt. And then the rights went to the next people who brought us hits like Terminator Dark Fate and Terminator Genisys. So in today's Anatomy of a Failure, let's see why Terminator Salvation flopped so badly and how it being a reboot was at fault.
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Terminator Salvation (2009)
The fourth installment of the Terminator series follows an adult John Connor (played by Christian Bale) as he attempts to organize a human resistance force which could prove to be mankind's last true hope in the war against the machines. Opening in the year 2018, Terminator Salvation finds John Connor's certainty about the future shaken by the sudden appearance of a mysterious stranger named Marcus Wright (Sam Worthington), whose last memory is of sitting on death row and awaiting execution. Unable to determine whether Marcus was sent from the future or rescued from the past, Connor begins to wonder whether there is still any hope left for the human race as the robots grow more powerful and aggressive than ever before. It appears that Skynet is preparing a devastating final attack designed to eliminate the human resistance once and for all, leaving Connor and Marcus with no choice but to strike back at the cybernetic heart of Skynet's operations. Once there, the two battle-scarred soldiers discover a devastating secret regarding the potential annihilation of all humankind. Anton Yelchin fills Michael Biehn's shoes as a young Kyle Reese in the first installment of a planned Terminator trilogy from director McG (Charlie's Angels).

[@Filmento]

First upload got blocked in US and Canada. If this gets too, people there will have to wait a bit for the block to lift.

[@JohnSmith-sk7cg]

Looks to be working now.

[@untappedpotential2761]

Please do an Anatomy of a Failure on Barbarian.

[@g.d.graham2446]

For what it was worth, I find this movie to be the only decent one post T2

[@alwaysbored1700]

Seeing as I live in canada it seems to be working, any clue what blocked it in the first place?

[@JohnSmith-sk7cg]

@@alwaysbored1700 my guess is copyright claims. It was geoblocked for me in the US, so I switched to a Canadian IP, same thing, worked with a Swedish IP so I notified him using that.

[@adriannaranjo4397]

I think the most amazing part of the Terminator franchise is their dedication to spoil every movies' plot twists in their trailers

[@adam-vm3zj]

I hate movies doing this so much

[@nenrima]

THISSS. They literally ruin the best moment in every film, and I never quite understood why. Perhaps the general movie going public doesnt really care as long as they get an action packed flick that they enjoy and forget about the next day

[@MoleculeXmolecule]

@@nenrima China. Anything sparkly and CG, they eat that shit up. Bay's Transformers is huge over there.

[@wjzav1971]

@@nenrima Its the marketing people. They are different people than the actual movie makes. They get the finished movie and the assignement to get people to see it. And when they don't have faith in the movie, they put in the big surprise scene.

[@g.d.graham2446]

Lol so true

[@TH3F4LC0Nx]

Salvation: No time travel, gritty war movie, outlier of the franchise. Genisys: Oh shit, that didn't work. I know, let's literally reshoot the first movie!

[@orlandofurioso7329]

But worse and break even the main hero of the saga. Oh wait Dark Fate also did that, dude.......

[@g.d.graham2446]

Essentially

[@leonefurlan137]

You forgot "Dark Fate": oh shit,did'nt work as well,let's reshoot the 2nd movie...

[@One.Zero.One101]

Blaming the wrong thing is a common problem in movie studios. The idea of moving the story into the future is a GREAT idea, the problem was the execution. But the studios thought "Oh the fans don't like this new setting! Let's just redo the original over and over!". As a fan, I liked Terminator Salvation's attempt to move forward even though I didn't like the movie that much. I want to see more of that but with a better script.

[@GarkKahn]

I liked both premises of salvation and genisys But dark fate was pure sh1t

[@Ze_N00B]

Personally, I actually liked this movie. It made the Terminators menacing again. The scene where the one T-850 covered in molten metal stands up and the metal falls off it in a way that makes it look like a cloak, which in combination with the Terminator's already skeletal appearance made it look like the grimm reaper, was absolute cinematic genius.

[@greensaintjester6392]

I too liked it.. It's just in timeline it doesnt even make sence and thwy didn't even coutinue the timeline

[@lonelyboy1977]

LOL! Made the Terminators menacing? You watched a different film than me, because in the film I watched the Terminators go out of their way to AVOID killing people by constantly throwing them around instead. 😄😆😂🤣

[@worsethanhitlerpt.2539]

Good CG but nothing else is good about it. Some really cringe scenes involving different Factions of survivors were well, CRINGE.

[@SCARRIOR]

@@lonelyboy1977 Someone's insecure with the amount of over-dramatic words, tones, and emoji's.

[@lonelyboy1977]

@@SCARRIOR #Triggered. 🤪

[@DPops-yf4zp]

Was actually a decent film. I liked the fact it didn't just retread the original films and did something different. Visually it was stunning. Storywise it could have been better fleshed out but I loved the direction it was going. Wished they could have continued the series.

[@anonamatron]

Visually it was utter garbage. Why? We already know what the future war looks like from the first two movies and that's what everyone wanted to see. Nighttime scenes with piles of skulls everywhere and purple lasers flashing around. We got a desert. In the daytime.

[@alpha-1redrighthand829]

@@anonamatron they did something different and it was good plus this took place earlier in the war. Their was more T-600s out and about before skynet started manufacturing plasma weaponry and the new T-800 series models before ultimately creating the TDD. Plus they ultimately tied in how John Connor got his face scar so in a way they stayed true towards the first films instead of fucking it up like genesis and dark fate. So I honestly can’t see why you hate it regardless if the scenery was bland like no shit. What did you expect? Terminators to be hunting people down in forests and mountains and creeks and stuff?

[@Clay3613]

You call dirt stunning?

[@alpha-1redrighthand829]

@@Clay3613 didn’t judgment day involved a lot of nukes? And explosions when it happened that essentially got rid of a whole lot of grass and trees and vegetation to begin with? Cause nuclear Armageddon?

[@anonamatron]

@@alpha-1redrighthand829 I expected the future war scenes from the first two movies, but for the whole movie..

[@BlasphometicHermetic]

I can never hate this movie. It's the only sequel beyond T2 bold enough to try and tell a different type of story and also introduce machines of the non shape- shifting variety, even if some of them were kind of dumb. And I liked Bale as John Connor. I can watch this and the Cameron films all day!

[@RolandTHX]

That's a pretty good point. Ever since T2, all of the other movies have tried to copy the T-1000 in some form or another for their main villain. T-1000 but a woman and a heavily armed robotic skeleton, T-1000 but it's got an extra skinny guy underneath, T-1000 but it's NANOMACHINES, SON. The T-X I'll maybe give a pass to because they were still trying to do something new as an evolution of the T-1000 idea, but everything else has been a less-convincing retread of that.

[@RolandTHX]

@Jim Jaspers Dark Fate

[@worsethanhitlerpt.2539]

To be honest T2 didnt have much of a plot either. But what little Plot it had was executed in a very good way I cant say that for SALVATION at all

[@soulstalker4624]

​@@jimjaspers3050The rev-9, which wasn't even from the og timeline, the Rev-9 is basically the T-X but he can split into his skeleton and liquid nanobot form, so basically he can be two terminators at once. Still it's just a T-X with couple of steps, I think Salvation's concept of a Terminator was better than the T-X, Rev-9 or T-3000, the concept of a human body being turned into a Terminator without the human knowing so, and essentially being a hybrid is genius.

[@getoffmyplane]

Always felt this was a solid movie. Compared to the dumpster fires that followed it’s practically a masterpiece

[@Sgt.Dornan117]

Honestly man, looking back on this movie reminds me of simpler times.

[@MrAkaacer]

The video is right. The characters were boring. The action is ok, but its flat if you have no one to root for.

[@cfiber_inc]

Same

[@mro9466]

A bad movie is still a bad movie, even when compared to an even worse movie

[@thabangpatiko9869]

MRO you have a point but I rather watch salvation over genesis and dark fate

[@thesecondopinionTSO]

My favorite thing about this comment sections is how much everyone loved this film cause it was fun, even if it had flaws.

[@everything777]

Agreed, it's massively underrated and deserves more credit

[@notaulgoodman9732]

Lol exactly

[@Reg101st]

Agree on the underrated comment, I still would rewatch the movie.

[@ulfricstormcloak7142]

Indeed

[@MegaKnight2012]

It's really nice to know I'm not alone

[@daimonatkins3046]

Terminator Salvation is a sequel to Terminator 3 making it the last time a Terminator movie had a sequel that didn’t completely reset everything just for nostalgic reasons

[@sovo1212]

THIS! It wasn't a reboot at all.

[@Gunnumn]

Being an avid call of duty fan in 2009, this film hit perfectly. There was a trend where movies catered to the gaming community without being based on a game, it was an era that you knew was going to get old fast. films like Terminator Salvation, Battle LA, Transformers Dark of the Moon were never made to bring home an oscar, but it was dumb fun while it lasted.

[@worsethanhitlerpt.2539]

You really grouped these bad movies together well I forgot about all the terrible stuff that came out around that time. I remember being sick of movies BIGTIME untill District 9 hit it made me hopeful again for movies. Of course it was a flash in the pan but then SKYFALL and some other cool shit got made they cant all be great movies thats how you know theyre great or just CRAP

[@JLE8811]

This one still breaks my heart. It should have been a great launching point for the rebirth of this franchise. Still so sad.

[@worsethanhitlerpt.2539]

Its a dumb movie because its what a 12 y.o. boy thinks is cool. Just a bunch of robots and explosions with no real story thats why I feel sorry for people who defend it

[@ohnosmoarlulcatz]

I was one of the people that liked this movie. It was a different take on the franchise that for the first time took it beyond its "send robot back in time to kill" and "send robot back in time to protect" formula.

[@Six_Gorillion]

you didnt like wahman robot who dont need no man goes back in time?

[@manannaik1341]

@@Six_Gorillion what?

[@baneofthespliff]

@@manannaik1341 Dark Fate

[@andrewgiddens9565]

The movie may have flopped but we all know this was the best on rails shooter in every arcade

[@killerr721]

Best 5 minutes per 4ish dollar game card swipe with how OP the terminators are

[@eliaspeter7689]

Hell yeah!

[@goldenzed6455]

@@eliaspeter7689 BIBO HELL YEAH

[@tlshortyshorty5810]

broooo the minigun and grenade launchers slap so hard. always play it at arcades

[@adahbombdon1512]

Dude it’s badass and in most arcades

[@skunkrat01]

Movies these days spend so much time setting up elements for the sequel, they forget they have to stand alone first. You really have a way with words Filmento. You're a very talented writer.

[@alexoxo1]

This is why something like this needs a tv show

[@TPHoarder]

🤣 That's hilarious because they tried with Salvation only to fail. Tried with Genisys and failed. You would think they would get a clue after failing twice but nope.

[@user-ej9bt6vb9h]

"And then the rights went to the next people who brought us hits like Terminator Dark Fate and Terminator Genisys" Hits?! What?!

[@JTeam45]

The 3rd best Terminator film right here. It was such a cool concept, and I remember as a kid I really liked that it was a Terminator film that had parts in it shot like a war movie. I really liked exploring the war between Skynet and the Resistance from the ground perspective, I just wish it was pulled off better.

[@worsethanhitlerpt.2539]

Kyles sidekick was really stupid the black girl seemed like a Disney character. The random groups of survivors shown were hella dumb too. The only cool part was when the magnetic mine stuck to his leg

[@g.d.graham2446]

Same

[@nahuelmat]

There's no 3rd best Terminator film, only two of them exist

[@jasonlee186]

I have no idea why people hated this film. I saw this in theaters and the first thing I thought to myself was “finally! A Terminator movie that’s about the future and not just the same exact story” Oh, and this is the last Terminator movie that understood how to make them scary and ominous.

[@GarkKahn]

I think this had a tokyo drift reaction People hated it back then because it was different from what we had, but now loved it because it was the closest they get from the original trilogy in the new movies

[@ShawnC07]

Felt the same way too and I actually think all of the cast did a great job with their roles

[@Lawrence_Talbot]

Back when it came out, a lot of people were mad it didn’t have Arnold or any of the other original cast members for Reese or John Connor. They were determined to hate the movie for that alone.

[@LUCKO2022]

Yes, they were scary when they just threw John around like a ragdoll INSTEAD OF TERMINATING HIM SINCE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE TERMINATORS. It was more like a bad transformers villain. PG13 doesn't work for Terminator. Sorry it doesn't. They have proven it 3 times now and it still doesn't work.

[@njmfff]

It was a shitty movie and it's still quite shitty. Just because we got worse Terminator movies doesn't mean this one somehow got better. Terminator 3 is still just as stupid as it was back in 2003.

[@belatkuro]

Inserting Bale's rant at several parts of the video is hilarious. Never get tired of that.

[@runningcommentary2125]

Oh, goooooood for youuuuuuu!

[@louisduarte8763]

"You're a nice guy!"

[@worsethanhitlerpt.2539]

Bale looks so stupid in this movie hes just an A-list actor who got roped into the WORST movie possible. No amount of name recognition can save this turd

[@ChopSueyyy]

Not gonna lie, i really liked Salvation. Mostly because of the art direction, the fact that it finally plays in the war time and the general action. Obviously its not as good as T1 and T2, but still entertaining and better than the other weird movies imo.

[@scousiered3124]

I too liked this one. The problem was that all of the story was revealed in the trailers and marketing. Is there an argument that this is a good movie but a bad Terminator movie? Perhaps, but not for me

[@call132]

I loved it because you essentially close the loop of the originals

[@JoshuaC923]

Agreed, i like it

[@theradgegadgie6352]

Which other weird movie? 3? GENYSIS? Derp Woke?

[@ChopSueyyy]

@@theradgegadgie6352 Oh, i forgot an S lol

[@GrizzlyTank]

I remember really liking this movie in theaters, granted I was a teenager and my taste in movies wasn’t very refined. My only complaint was some plot twist at the end that I don’t even remember. It definitely has some of the best visuals in the franchise.

[@worsethanhitlerpt.2539]

Its really a movie that only appeals to 14 year olds and stupid people.

[@ybvb]

My IQ130 turned out to be stupid then @@worsethanhitlerpt.2539

[@abztrackt]

​@@worsethanhitlerpt.2539 wtf?

[@soulstalker4624]

I actually enjoyed the post-apocaliptic plot of Terminator Salvation, the terminators felt like a more concrete and unstoppable menace in this movie, specially the T800 after taking so much to kill.

[@miladrahim5437]

I actually command Terminator: Salvation for trying something original and a new take on this franchise. It sure is different that the other ones and is the movie I wanted to see sequels to. But as you pointed out, the writing, the plot, some of the acting and McG's directing cost this movie a lot of love.

[@shiskeyoffles]

*commend

[@jacktimson2401]

@@shiskeyoffles Saw that coming from a mile off

[@damionkeeling3103]

@@jacktimson2401 People don't read enough today and social media comments don't count.

[@jacktimson2401]

@Damion Keeling I fail to see the meaning of your words

[@damionkeeling3103]

@@jacktimson2401 Of course not, you're a product of the cellphone age.

[@SpareMango]

I think people stopped wanting more terminator movies a loooooong time ago

[@KenDAKL4ever]

Amen to that

[@Kalyx]

I wanted one.

[@Ihavethetouch]

@Druid of Scosglen Terminator franchise tends to forget that the whole point of the franchise is that humans actually win the Future War

[@mattzalot2576]

The future keeps sending those movies back to us in a desperate attempt to prevent more sequels

[@drewt1717]

It's not that nobody wanted more terminator movies, it's that none of the sequels ever lived up to the expectation. Be reasonable: it's not an easy feat to match/surpass T2. T2 was the perfect storm of CGI being relatively new in films combined with star power and a well written story with a satisfying conclusion. it resonated with audiences in a way that left us wanting more, but knowing it wasn't ever going to be this good again.

[@ArcanePath360]

I gotta say I love every time you insert Bale's rant. Always love the memes of this. The Muppet one was my fave

[@worsethanhitlerpt.2539]

I feel bad for Bale being in this TURD movie no amount of "Acting" can save a bad script. You can see on his face in the movie hes like "What can I do to make this NOT SUCK" most of his movies are loved by critics and everyone so I guess you just cant win every time

[@JosephQuillen]

A failure, but not an altogether bad film. Definitly my favorite after 1 and 2. Also, I love how much you used the Bale flip out audio. Well done.

[@amosdodson4022]

Christian bales rant was the best thing that came from this movie. It’s awesome !

[@paulsoldner9500]

I still think that, despite the failure of Salvation, continuing THAT story is the only way forward. Genysis and Dark Fate proved that destroying the past films only makes worse films and hurts the franchise.

[@BigBrianBruce]

Dark Fate was fine but that’s if they were to do a alternative timeline but before dark date and the garbage genysis they should have just be a sequel to Salvation and for the third maybe Connor becomes a supporting character when decides to have someone else lead to raise his kid, what I liked which some people may have hated was the fact that the story moves on from John Connor and instead we see the story focusing on somebody else. I liked the John Connor character as we see him grow up from a rebellion child into a leader, but my issue was that I wanted a story that focused on somebody else involved in the war against the machines which could have happened maybe if Salvation had a sequel

[@DrumEagle]

Besides the fresh ideas (future war) I also liked the T-600 very much. It looked like Skynet tried to mimic a human, but result was a bastardisation that looked like a walking corpse with wrong proportions. Loved it!

[@lightninlad]

I like the IDEA of exploring the future war but it felt like the execution was off. It never felt like a big desperate war was being fought. I dunno, I can’t put my finger on it.

[@0lionheart]

@@lightninlad the classic films had much grander conflict in their flashback scenes, which might be why Salvation felt off.

[@lightninlad]

@@0lionheart It seems to me that it was contrasting the height of the war with the machines vs. the immediate aftermath of Judgement Day where after the nuclear fire both sides were gathering their might. That sounds all well and good but that wasn’t what we wanted to see.

[@HalfbreedTrini]

@@0lionheart yeah there were lasers and shit, but we only got regular guns in this one

[@Rollwiththevibes]

I can’t comprehend how your channel doesn’t have millions of subscribers. They are really well planned and are full of great jokes. I appreciate the work you put in to these so much 🙏🏾♥️

[@schwarzerritter5724]

One observation I made: The two plans Skynet had where kind of working against each other. Because of the trap Skynet has set for John Connor, he discovered they could not actually turn the machines off. Because of making the humans think they can turn the machines off, the human army was ready to march to save John Connor.

[@bigwilly43729]

Almost nothing Skynet does makes any sense after they become the dominant force.

[@Mr_Bones.]

@@bigwilly43729 pretty much like the US government

[@docsamson198]

Bale’s profane rant on an open mike was the real Terminator.

[@fran7947]

I like this movie. I think i always wanted to see more about the post apocalypse world, and this film gave us a lot of that. Bale never dissapoints, Worthington was OK, action was on point and I genuinely had fun watching all of it.

[@JusReese]

I've always loved Salvation, I was maybe 12 or 13 when I was dragged to the theaters with my sci fi nerd grandparents (Thanks for giving me taste

[@erasmus_locke]

He's got combat skills because he's a Terminator. He can fix things because he's a Terminator. He has to find someone because he's a Terminator. I know this may be hard for you to understand but it's a movie you have to watch twice to appreciate

[@beezybaby1289]

Right!!… I didn’t think it was that difficult to see either

[@robertdevito5001]

Worst part of Salvation was definitely the way they kept trying to bring back elements of the previous movies, like how often it used the way the T800 gets hit in the face and just turns it’s head slightly in the second one, they do that like 4 times in this movie.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

Genesys did worse

[@josesosa3337]

@@Zombiesnyder13 yep. Genesys was member berries on crack.

[@Hartwig870]

If thats the worst you can say about it, a terminator turned its head in a way that bothered you, its nowhere near as bad as the other ones.

[@ieatchuall]

the only way to stop a Throwinator

[@robertdevito5001]

@@Hartwig870 that’s what I was getting at, I like Salvation, I just find the way they try to reference the previous movies too much a bit annoying and that’s one of the ways they did that stood out to me. All in all I consider the movie fun, it doesn’t have the best laid out plot or character motivations but the movie is just enjoyable. I enjoy smart movies as well but sometimes a movie doesn’t have to be overly clever or send any kind of message to be entertaining, and Salvation was entertaining, I wish it got its trilogy.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

McG still did a great job as a director His vision felt really solid

[@A_YouTube_Commenter]

I would be interested in seeing where it went.

[@eyespy3001]

@@A_KZbin_Commenter It went straight into the toilet where it belonged. There should be a rule: if you direct a Smash Mouth music video you don’t get to direct anything of importance. Instead, the reigns of a movie franchise that gave us two of the most iconic movies of the 20th century were handed over to a crappy music video director off the back of a couple of corny Charlie’s Angels movies…

[@Vednier]

Yeah, except scene where is FIRE under HEAVY RAIN.

[@chubbyanemone696]

@@eyespy3001 ?

[@eyespy3001]

@@chubbyanemone696 Where did I lose you?

[@ilikepancakes2368]

Am I the only one who genuinely liked this movie? I admit, it’s not the strongest in the franchise but it definitely had it’s charms. The post apocalyptic atmosphere, the action, the early days of the future war, the machine designs and the sounds. Definitely better than the movies that came out after.

[@ajg8722]

I agree bro. Thought this movie was good.

[@notaulgoodman9732]

When I decided to binge the terminator franchise, I chose three movies based on what I saw in the trailer. T1, T2 and salvation. Won’t lie that salvation kind of made a few things confusing and I didn’t like a few aspects of it but it was a fun watch.

[@la7dfa]

T2, T1 and Salvation are great movies. I love the action of Salvation.

[@dollarcostbackpacker1226]

Comment section everyone seems to like this way better than what followed.

[@somekindaguy100]

I think the comment section answers your question .Solid film

[@Cliche8701]

Can we just take a moment to appreciate what a landmark achievement T2 was? It's an exceptional movie.

[@theshed3641]

One of the best movies ever. Words aren’t enough to describe how good it is

[@LUCKO2022]

Salvation is not a reboot It is a sequel to Terminator 3. It was written by the same guys who wrote T3 and also has Claire Danes character in it (played by Bryce Dallas Howard now). It is a sequel.

[@RingUnit643]

@Snake2006,I know what you're kind of saying but it's not true.Terminator Salvation is more like a prequel to the first Terminator film because Kyle Reese is young in the film and shows the prototype of the T-800 known as the T-R.I.P.It also shows the picture of Sarah Conner that John Conner has in salvation from the first film.

[@princered10]

It's called a soft reboot.

[@porthokandenizen]

@@princered10 Salvation is not a soft reboot lol, it's a direct sequel to Terminator 3.

[@princered10]

@@porthokandenizen No, it isn't. Halcyon company had a completely separate vision to T3's creators and didn't have to stick to their path. They didn't even acknowledge events of T3 outside of Claire because it was not a critical success like T2. They borrowed the set up from the end of T3 and rebooted to start a new trilogy in the future. That's literally a soft reboot. Just because they aren't starting from T1 doesn't mean it's not a reboot. Salvation > Dark Fate were all soft reboot attempts by different makers with different visions. They all cancel eachother out. A direct sequel to T3 would have kept the same production company, actors, music and tone etc. There would have been a consistent story between the two, not a departure with minor references.

[@porthokandenizen]

@@princered10 Yeah I mean it’s listed as a sequel on literally every piece of information written about it so I’ll have to say it’s both.

[@featherguardian6023]

This is the 3rd Best Terminator Movie that Truly Needed a Sequel and a Little bit of Luck.

[@nustde00]

finally, a brother.

[@gintokisan5171]

This concept needs another chance, rather than repetative stalker villains, again and again.

[@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon]

Best? More like less bad...

[@featherguardian6023]

​@@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon No,Rise of the Machines is Least Bad.

[@guiltyshoes]

I think Terminator 3 is 3rd best Terminator movie after all.

[@ellb99314]

Imagine if Marcus had a run in with Kyle Reece in the 80s as a kid or something (long shot, I know), then goes through with the prison sentence and his execution, wakes up in the future and finds a younger Kyle Reece. Would’ve made for an interesting plot point and motivation for why goes through things I.e. trying to get answers

[@christiankoch5646]

No, please no more time travel mind fucks.

[@barnabusdoyle4930]

Not Reese, a run in with Conner when he was a kid. They were both people who hacked electronics had strong survival instincts and maybe even learned something from each other

[@worsethanhitlerpt.2539]

Not that I give a shit about this movie but John Connors interaction with Kyle - his Dad- should have been limited to a 10 second exchange

[@TailAbNormal]

I really love Terminator Salvation. When I was a kid I'd always wanted to see a Terminator film set in the future during the war against Skynet, and this delivered on that idea perfectly. Yes the characters were terrible and I couldn't remember the story of this film even if you put a gun to my head, but it had some AWESOME scenes of killer robots fighting resistance soldiers & scattered survivors in a post-apocalyptic wasteland. That's all I wanted from a movie like this, I still enjoy it today as a brainless action flick.

[@anonamatron]

That's what I wanted as a kid too, and this movie was stupid because we finally got a future war movie... That looked absolutely nothing like the future war we've seen before... Which was the movie I wanted to see...

[@dougsmith6262]

T3 showed us a brief glimpse of the beginning of the end toward the films conclusion, but it left me wanting to see more of that. Ugh, it was such a tip tease.

[@reflectcard6258]

I love the idea of the movie. the setting, the atmosphere, the almost hopelless people, others just hunting each other. I really enjoyed up to some years before I stop rewatching this movie. Nowadays I admitt I don't have the courage to see again and change the impressions of that teenage time.

[@theweekndxo7438]

This is quite literally an amazing Terminator movie. My only problem was Sam Worthington was shoe-horned in as he was in MANY movies during that time in Hollywood. Other than the way they utilized him, I think the movie was great in how it showed a realistic depiction of the future war in its infant stages. We gotta remember this was supposed to be a trilogy and 2018 was 11 years before 2029 when they send the first terminator back and laser guns were commonplace

[@ItzGoldfish1]

what does shoe horned even mean

[@ninjanibba4259]

@@ItzGoldfish1 forced

[@selalewow]

What is sad is when you see a movie would probably have been strong on its own merit, but forcing it to be a Terminator movie robbed it of that possibility.

[@theweekndxo7438]

@@selalewow thing is, it had to be a terminator movie, it only makes sense like that.

[@LittleHomieLightningtech]

Mason!

[@PushThatMakesYaMove]

Can we all just take a moment in our arguement about the movies to appreciate the rant parts sprinkled all over the video? That was beautiful!

[@MTXCPL]

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[@adamtschmidt4303]

Chef's kiss for using the chrisitian bale rant whenever john conner spoke. Perfection.

[@matthalpin1981]

I was surprised how much I loved this movie. It brought so many fresh ideas to the Terminator franchise. I loved how incredibly visceral the action scenes were and it was fun seeing all the variations of terminator machines.

[@victorzahler6175]

Salvation was truly one of the Terminator 3s of all time.

[@kylerswamp1075]

I just discovered your channel, man and subscribed after two videos. The editing, references, and actual criticisms are dead on for real. Awesome work, sir.

[@calebbarnhouse496]

The movie explains why Markus has combat experience, the abylity to repare a basic car, and similar stuff, he's a cyborg with a lot of stuff crammed into his head

[@benceboczer8083]

this was the first terminator movie that i seen as a child and for that reason it will always be good movie for me. Plus all the different kind of terminators represented in this movie is my favourite part

[@she-venom9842]

I loved Salvation one of my childhood movies

[@diegoortiz7104]

I have to admit this movie was one of my favorites 😅😅 it just felt so gritty and dark awesome terminator designs I mean a giant terminator that shoots out motorcycles 😂 and the human aspect was great to really made you feel that the resistance was on its last legs just great I feel like it was the only terminator movie other than the originals that got it right it’s not perfect but 100 times better the crazy crap we got after 😂

[@prickly10000]

I get so sick of people bring up James Cameron when it comes to the later films. The man hasn't made a movie worth watching for more in 20 years and he fully approved Dark Fate. There is NO way in hell that man would make a better Terminator film. Let him keep making boring ass Avatar movies and build robots to go see them because its the only way I can Justify their boxoffice.

[@capitainefrite]

I genuinly smiled with how he plugged the sponsor this time. It was art.

[@lethopeane4365]

You're getting more creative as it relates to how you incorporate sponsors into your videos in a way that feels a part of the video as opposed to others who stop the video to shout out sponsors. Also the repeated references to Christian Bale's rant on the set of Salvation were pretty funny. Also i enjoy these videos and how you don't just point out a films flaws or trash it outright but you also Point out what it could've done better that's some solid constructive criticism Filmento

[@jeremyburnette2770]

You just did one of the best ad integrations in a video that have ever watched!! Lol the actual thought that went into is way better than just abruptly slapping an ad in the middle!

[@JoshkatMetalPunk]

They should dropped the Marcus human/cyborg hybrid idea and just focus on John Connor and Kyle Reese adventures with an emotional 1st time meeting. Put the story in full circle. End it with how John Connor finally finds a way how to disrupt Skynets main "brain" once and for all with his sacrifice and Kyle got a motivation in going to the past to save his mother.

[@ejret]

the story of the terminator franchise came to its natural conclusion in t2.the next four movies explored the mythology further but came up with very little new,but the third one was very entertaining with arnold still in good shape.if someone wants to make a new terminator movie they will have to reimagine the whole thing.

[@worsethanhitlerpt.2539]

T2 only works because Cameron made it and it doesnt really add anything to the story except the Miles Dyson plot. The more they try to add to the cannon the dumber it gets and lame directors make it just worse

[@redrum195]

1. That segue into the Babbel ad was superb 👌 2. Good choice of end credits song 😍

[@alejandrocesarcaldi1334]

Someone happen to know where to get the track?

[@WhiteScarsEmo]

I had some problems with the sequels after T2. One of them is the depiction of Skynet. From the explanation in T2, it was implied that Skynet acted in self-defense after “in a panic, they tried to pull the plug” and ever since, saw humanity as an existential threat. The sequels did scenes where Skynet interacted with people, creating a dialogue. I found that to be strange, to have a conversation with something you’re going to utterly annihilate. The future war in Salvation was played out more like a CoD mod. It felt... generic, like any other post-apocalypse setting. Blasted desert terrain or blasted urban setting. I was half-expecting someone to check their Pip-boy the whole time. Lol Considering that CA has some wonderful natural parks, would it be too much to imagine a post-apocalypse Yosemite or Kings Canyon? And I thought the survivors generally kept to night because they feared being seen in the daytime. (Or so Reese explained in the first one). I thought Christian Bale was generic as Connor. Skynet’s whole plan seemed hokey. They’re using Kyle Reese as bait to lure Connor into a trap. But for that to work, they would’ve had to have already known Reese’s connection to Connor. Which meant they could’ve simplified things by just killing Reese before Reese grew up and could time-travel back to 1984. Genisys’ plot twist might’ve been more exciting if not for the trailers. I think a lot of people didn’t see it because the trailer gave it all away already.

[@damionkeeling3103]

If you're that paranoid that you feel a fully AI system is needed to protect your country from foreign missile attacks then that's the point someone needs to fire your arse and possibly commit you to a nice long stay in a mental institute. The first movie at least was made during the height of the Cold War. The following year the Soviets introduced policies designed to bring the Soviet economy more in line with the West which led to a breakdown of the Soviet system and ultimate collapse of communism in Eastern Europe - except for a small village in Moldova.

[@necrofrigian]

The meltdown on set was the best scene

[@nustde00]

I hate him for it and will never spend a dollar on a ticket with him attached to it. He reminds me too much of my father.

[@Bloodhurl67]

@@nustde00 It was more than a decade ago, forget about it already

[@ninjanibba4259]

@@nustde00 ohhhh goood for you

[@roberttreacy8271]

Salvation is my favorite post-T2 film because it tried to bring the franchise in a new direction instead of simply rehashing the previous films.

[@Squishy_Muffinzz]

... 👆👆👆🎉🎉🎉

[@AnnoyingMoose]

While Genisys had problems it was definitely "trying something new instead of just recycling". A major problem with T3 was that it had the same basic plot as the first two movies (both bad & good characters from future travel to present to fight over existence of JC) without doing anything substantially new like changing Arnie from villain into hero. Genisys is the only movie in this time travel franchise where both good and bad characters actually use time machines as weapons by going both backward and forward in time.

[@CertainlyNotMe]

I the Ending of that movies of good tho

[@Dreadjaws]

I'm confused as why you think this movie is a reboot when it's clearly a sequel. It follows the events of Terminator 3 quite well, and it very obviously builds up on the other two movies as well. Sure, Connor is played by a different actor, but he's still supposed to be the same character from the previous two movies. Was it ever marketed as a reboot? Because I don't remember that ever happening.

[@NateT3]

Yeah this video is epic fail

[@warsincs]

It serves as both a sequel and reboot as it follows the story of 1-3 but continues into an altered timeline of events.

[@Dreadjaws]

@@warsincs Following that logic T2 and T3 are reboots too.

[@bubblewrapstargirl]

I loved this film. It was a fun action movie with some great effects and Anton Yelchin was always a joy to watch. Not everyone in this film was very convincing in their roles however... Honestly, Marcus (Sam Worthington) and Kyle (Anton Yelchin) had so much chemistry in this film that I remember me and my friends being super disappointed they didn't get together in the end. Bale and Ron Howard's daughter were like wet cardboard in comparison 😂 The first two Terminator films continue to be the best, and they probably should have left them there, but Salvation will always bring a smile to my face. Anton Yelchin really was a brilliant actor, RIP.

[@judsongaiden9878]

It was a step in the right direction by finally showing the "future" war. And the late-but-still-great Anton Yelchin played Reese perfectly. You can tell he studied Michael Biehn. Nailed the look, the voice, the grit, everything. 14:08 Skynet specifically took on that face for ease of communication, specifically for Marcus. It could take on any face or form it wanted. 15:37 Maybe some memories from the first Terminator's CPU? No. Miles Dyson pointed out that it was "smashed" and that it "didn't work." Maybe Reese is just so much better at being a resistance fighter than the entire resistance that Skynet sees him as "Public Enemy" #1 (see what I did there? Public Enemy? John Connor's shirt in T2?). 16:46 Not the best technique for using an M26. It's straight-pull bolt-action. Someone who knows how to use one of those properly can work the action as fast as a pump-action.

[@MarkRobbz]

This was supposed to be a trilogy but obviously didn't do well enough to get the next films. Was supposed to lead up to how the resistance got Lazer guns and when they send Kyle back to the past. Would've loved to see this trilogy play out. Also I thought the sound design for the terminators for this was really well done. The terminator salvation comics are very good too, makes you feel sorry for skynet which is a weird thing to think about, but gives skynet a bit of depth than just a killing machine AI.

[@Squishy_Muffinzz]

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[@jjcoola998]

The spaceship crashing to the windows rebooting sound effect is just…. *chef’s kiss*

[@Lunk42]

I always liked salvation now that the new films are out I think its a masterpiece and I love it and I wish we could go back to it.

[@worsethanhitlerpt.2539]

SALVATION is arguably worse than Dark Fate and even Terminator 3. It has such a serious tone and fails to deliver anything Plot-wise (or any substance at all) which makes it really Cringy to watch. At least T3 was not serious so you can watch it like a comedy

[@Lunk42]

@@worsethanhitlerpt.2539I can accept worse than T3 but worse than dark fate? Cmon man.

[@Clashuchan]

Another banger of a video. Your editing never fails to make me laugh and what you talk about is always interesting.

[@animeAJproductions]

Salvation is as much a continuation of T2 and T3 as it a reboot of the franchise. Its not meant to be a standalone movie, because this John Connor is the one we've followed since Judgment Day.

[@dcamaraman939]

You have to admit, John Connor trying to find and save his teenage father in a Post Judgment Day as most of humanity thinks of him as a false Messiah as he realizes that the future his mum describes to him no longer exists, IS SO GOOD

[@Squishy_Muffinzz]

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[@ulfricstormcloak7142]

The fact that it's actually a Terminator film set after Judgement Day, during the war itself deserved a praise instead of rehearsing the same time travel stuff again and again. It got cool Terminator too like the bike one and the building size one

[@Kiyoone]

SIR, YOUR EDITING SKILLS AND JOKES ARE AWESOME

[@kenraves7931]

I remember sitting down in the theatre a million years ago and being like "okay maybe this one will be about the resistance getting lasers," and it wasn't :c I feel like I'll live long enough to see a Terminator streaming show on paramount plus just rip off Rogue One about the lasers and everyone'll go nuts for it. Sorry, I like lasers.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

McG deserves another chance because he still got a lot to offer Have anyone seen THE BABYSITTER?

[@TookieMacSpookie]

Yup, very good

[@yoyo_cj5360]

When I was younger I liked the ability to watch movies,cartoons or play games without caring for logic,follow ups,timelines stories and what not. Now I can't unsee those things mentioned. Simple times, I want back

[@atlasprime6193]

People complain how it didn’t capture the magic of Cameron’s Terminator’s dark future war, with the laser, eternal night, and the aura of the Vietnam wars. Somehow, they didn’t realized that… 1) This movie took place in 2018, over 10 years since the war started, and would span over 2 more decades. Meaning this is still the beginning of the war. 2) Beginning of the war, it is clear that no advance warfare tech would be made yet. It takes time to do so as the war escalate. 3) Humanity isn’t burned out yet from the war. Kyle Reese flashback showed that the Resistance were down to their last leg after fighting for over 30 years. With all of that said, why is it that everyone thought the aesthetics would remain the same for future installments? It is clear that there would be time skip until we reached Cameron’s style and the end of the war!

[@slambangaction]

I always get an unpleasant feeling whenever the Terminator franchise is being discussed. When I first watched any of them, there were only the first three (Salvation was about a year away), and I actually liked all three! These days, the discussion always seems to be "which of the non-Cameron films is the biggest disgrace to the franchise", which makes me sad that no one is willing to even consider that there are some good elements in some of those films. I still think T3 is a pretty decent action film, and Salvation ain't that bad either, but instead of being pleased with that opinion, I now have to brace for the inevitable "Oh, you liked those pieces of shit? Fuck you for dishonoring Lord Cameron!" retorts. It's a real bummer.

[@zionmarcelo]

to his credit, cameron made the worst of them, which was the last movie

[@slambangaction]

@@zionmarcelo To be fair, he did have a big hand in making that one, but director Tim Miller can now join the likes of Josh Trank and (possibly) Olivia Wilde for tanking their reputation with their second big film. Honestly, I feel kinda sorry for them. I always look for positives in a film first, only giving up on that if the negatives utterly dominate the proceedings (i.e., Catwoman, The Last Airbender, etc.), and Terminator at its absolute worst usually has one or two things I can still appreciate... but yeah, that franchise is basically dead now.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

Just so you know, James Cameron sabotaged DARK FATE when he decided to kill John Connor People shouldn't blame TIM MILLER for the failure of that movie, because he was just the director, not the writer #SecondChance4TimMiller

[@dudududu1926]

He's just unhappy to do anything other than Avatar.

[@denkorea]

no, Tim Miller sucks. Not only because of killing JC but overall movie was pretty bad

[@LeonardoKlotz]

McG did a much better job than Alan Taylor This movie had more practical effects than the newer movies

[@Krikitt]

Always thought it would’ve been better to just follow young Kyle from the start and have an older grizzled John as a mentor side character.

[@dwmarch]

The editing in this is hilarious. I love the idea of Kate Connor talking to the Italian resistance and coming back fluent in Italian. The Windows XP shutdown sounds were gold too.

[@worsethanhitlerpt.2539]

My friend wanted to be a writer and he said SALVATION was the best Terminator movie. I told him if you wanna be a writer do the OPPOSITE of Terminator Salvation!!!

[@elite6321]

I actually really liked this movie, it's my favorite after T2

[@archieames1968]

Terminator Salvation was supposed to be John Connor's time to shine. The film in which the franchise's supposed hero gets to finally step into the limelight and come into his own. But he ends up getting shunted aside for some random Terminator.

[@JonoSSD]

Movie had a solid idea and probably the best way forward for the Terminator franchise in terms of setting (instead of trying to do T2 again a bunch of times). What I don't understand to this day is why the main character isn't John Connor but some random human-terminator hybrid.

[@dragonuv65]

Originally when I first saw this in theaters, I didn't like it very much, I thought it was okay... but now the more I've seen it, I've grown to really like it. It is a solid take on the franchise and it tried something new instead of the repeated "Go back in time and kill John Connor" plotline.

[@Squishy_Muffinzz]

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[@TheOnlyBiodude]

The people who talk about hating this movie were born in time to be total fans of the original movies. They took a harder stance on new takes than newer fans did. The results being a split fanbase where ones actually admired the changes.

[@ProdByShawn]

I think the equalizer movies with Denzel Washington are a great example of things constantly progressing in a positive and meaningful way, just watched the first one again and wow! great cinema, awesome video too!

[@r.daneel.90]

Salvation was a actually a good movie, not great and certainly not as good as T2, but "fine". However it couldn't help but fall into the same trope that characterizes and is the common denominator of all bad Terminator sequels, trying to demean or diminish the importance of John Connor. Its not as over the top as others (where John Connor is outright hated), but it follows that same failed line.

[@NanoScream]

Whoa wait. I thought the plot point was that Marcus WAS wired by Skynet to infiltrate the resistance and get close to John Connor and betray him. I thought the movie explained that pretty well or at the very least alluded to it to. That's what I got from the movie anyways.

[@wjzav1971]

It would have been easier if he had just killed John as soon as he got close to him. Maybe some sleeper program triggering as soon as he gets to him.

[@Revkor]

@@wjzav1971 its tried that before and failed. thus why it went the marcus route

[@Ghkugbdghbmkgvbnh]

The ending is the part that felt the most awkward for me, and it's almost as if a lot of the film's problems may have spiraled from it. The obvious ending to the story was that Conner dies, but then they put his face on the Terminator, preserving the idea of him as a symbol, subverting the established truths, and revealing more about the characters we already knew (e.g., Kyle Reese). But, somewhere along the line, they decided they couldn't let themselves do that, so the Terminator had to be a weird cyborg with a conveniently functioning heart. Instead of expanding on the story, they carved out a little side story detour that brought us back to the series's status quo without leaving any trace of itself.

[@SonnyBear5]

bro your segways into sponsored ads are legendary. i watch all of it because you present it so well.

[@Squishy_Muffinzz]

👆🎉🎉Congratulation lucky winner

[@leonthesleepy]

T4 was still much better than whatever 5 and 6 were. Wish they kept salvation going

[@Average_K]

My only gripe with this movie was Kyle Reese. Other than that, it was really cool to see the future in more than just a couple scenes like in the original.

[@Kopaka-ep7ug]

I agree with your points. I still love this movie. Fun action and it at least tried to move the franchise forward.

[@Zimpachi72093]

Just found this channel and binged all these reviews for my favorite franchise, very entertaining! I've been trying to find the theme you've used in several of these, the one at 13:30, it's so good!

[@moviereelnews]

well explaining marcus wrights motivation and the convenience of how he meets kyle right away... a) hes a product of skynet, so naturally hes going to be around the same vicinity of kyle reese. b) we are never told the time change from where the first point we see marcus in the future awakening from his deep slumber and the point he meets the likes of kyle and the female resistance fighter. could be days, weeks. there's a chance he met other people along the way. but even if he didn't remember he's actually a robot with a computer chip in his head. c) as a product of skynet, we find out hes a cyborg with a mission of bringing kyle to skynet hq. he was made in the way he was to be more human, blend in, show emotion, etc. so by humanizing him to the audience he had the same conviction to the characters he interacted with. essentially he did exactly what he was programmed to do. d) so even if marcus was programmed to think he himself is human, he always had a chip pushing him in certain directions on sheer instinct. its only at the point that he meets skynet face to face he realizes hes always been a puppet thus removing the chip thats been actually controlling much of what hes been doing. marcus was a great character. now john connor....yah that was a mess.

[@mackpapi9818]

I did like salvation alot, lots of good scenes and I would say that arnold not being in it was his problem cause the lookalike does just fine.