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[@skillcappedwowpvp]

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[@kungfujoe2136]

tanks are great in cata pvp

[@kungfujoe2136]

i bet they gonna nerf snapshotting they allready did that for dk's

[@kedern]

ur guides suck and u say u offer refunds and u dont

[@bigknockersOO]

We really didn't know how good we had it with Cata/MoP

[@dynamightq]

cata and mop is PEAK pvp imo

[@krisumusic]

Yep! Cata might be the first "classic" I try. I only played the end of Cata back in 2010 or so, this and MoP is the only revisits I'll consider as a retail PvPer :)

[@Joegengstah]

im rly looking forward to playing mop pvp again@@krisumusic

[@Vampireknigh]

Damn right, ppl keep shitting on these expacs yet these 2 are the only ones i'm excited about

[@G35Jeesh]

You have no idea how bad I cant wait to play afflic loc in MoP lol. Was so fun.

[@bookbookbook1]

@@krisumusic Playing sod rn and classic pvp just doesn't hit the same. World pvp is 9/10 times unbalanced one shots and unfair fights and with the new incursions added it seems the devs just want to get players into the phase endgame so they can beta test the new raids. Very excited for cata pvp, the class design as well as mop were just absolute peak for pvp. So much fun abilities added that made arena feel way more fresh and decisive compared to wrath.

[@MEYTRIX]

no waaaay, I am in the video too! 🤯😎

[@ricardochavez8822]

Vamos meytrix. Juguemos clasic una d elas mejores exp de pvp

[@Praisedbg]

cata/mop are the goat pvp expansions looking forward to being able to play to win from coordinated setups & cc - additionally, its also nice that multiple playstyles are viable in this xpac.

[@ght405]

i reckon blizz should go back to snapshotting in retail it would make large scale pvp alot less of a lag fest and its a great form of skill expression

[@docterfreeze2918]

The first playable PvP expansion has arrived

[@mattifreshfan9111]

whats so good about it mate, just curious wanne try i think

[@docterfreeze2918]

@@mattifreshfan9111 Classes get more capabilities (like rogue healing) and take more skill to play optimally.

[@birzusergiu5165]

its a significant upgrade but got damn the dispell meta is bonkers

[@maykrpc]

I think cata and mop are the two best pvp expansions all time. Great video by the way!

[@Joegengstah]

I agree with mop atleast

[@charliefuller8538]

Do you guys think you will reuse any of the old guides from original cata ? Like when it first released on retail. Or is everything going to be redone ?

[@skillcappedwowpvp]

Everything will be re-done but might possibly include old guides if they are still relevant.

[@blairewhiteradicalextremis7765]

@@skillcappedwowpvpsweet bring back the Talbadar shadow priest guides plzzz

[@mauthispvp]

@@skillcappedwowpvp please bring back some of the old Tosan videos, those were top notch in every way.

[@MagicIke]

@@skillcappedwowpvp any idea on timeline for these releases?

[@bradr9669]

What classes would you say pair best with an unh dk and MM hunt in 2s? Thanks!

[@jonnyl8801]

rogue

[@whitemina9664]

Do you think you can get an elite set items in 2s rating in a cata classic? In the past, I heard it could only be obtained through 3s and 5s and rated battleground. Will Blizzard patch this? I only play 2s so I'm worried I won't get the elite set items.

[@andrew_velaine]

On retail cata it was obtainable in 2s.

[@dannys6871]

ret paladins are probably the best off-healer with their word of glory crits healing 75% of someones health feral dream team supreme though. cant forget pyro/ignite/living bomb combustion spread on an entire enemy team. or frost dk Simulacrum getting wings, iceblock, seal of truth/light. cataclysm and pandaria are the best pvp expansions and make it easy for people like us with busy careers to get home and pvp at full potential with minimum grind

[@lollingtoon]

Did you get conquest for winning a game rather than each week? I also hope you can catch up on alts later in the season

[@nikpapado9785]

each week

[@deactivated1321]

The catchup system in cata was as good as live. The only downside is you only get like 100 pts a win or something to that effect when you finally do hit 85 and need to cap 25k conquest

[@mitkogeorgiev4830]

i want cata so much ! PVP for life!

[@clawdroppin]

Cata and mop pvp just felt so satisfying for some reason.

[@grapesodaboy]

The glory days of WoW PVP, playing Cata Feral looks so fun now!

[@pyromanglad1136]

In terms of not spamming retail gameplay and tons of random crap on the screen cata is HUGE W for me, can't wait to have a normal pvp again

[@AnotherWorldx01]

2:08 name of the font, please!

[@Thasurio]

Prototype

[@Bourre-wb4xb]

would like to know if we can currently save 75k honor to go towards honor gear in cata or is it getting erased? also, whats the first set of gear can we get with honor? blood thirsty? trying ot find out more info when cata releases what i need to farm

[@Qatch1140]

you can save it but it wont be enough for cap. youll need like 2k arena points and full honor cap iirc. its also like 346 badges of triumph+frost for justice points cap. you can convert those to honor as well for like a 25% loss iirc

[@aic20]

@@Qatch1140 how you convert justice to honor?

[@DiegoPasianoto]

I wish they bring Tol Barad back as Epic Battleground.

[@JaredKelso123]

I do too simply so I'm less likely to get put in Wintergrasp.

[@TrickshottinBills]

CATA PVP IS GOATED

[@cyf3r14n]

What about BM Hunter? No comeback? :-(

[@Numbers_Game]

I mean, if you don't need to be the best of the best, any class/spec will get the job done. I love 2h Frost for PVP. Unholy is overall better, but why mess around with pet managment when Obliterate go brrrrr. BM still has some applications, even though I'd say the are more underrated for PVE dungeons since you bring Bloodlust if there are no shaman or mages in the group. Spirit beasts will give you some healing in BG's and if you want to focus on healers you always have devilsaurs.

[@KolanceMeer]

Gimme my favorite voice over back. This one sounds fine, to the old one was iconic, right like Cata pvp

[@srk5587]

I don't understand this title at all. It is somehow implying that PvP in Cataclysm was BAD but not as BAD as people think it was. PvP in Cataclysm was arguably the best it's ever been, and any negative critisicm that the expansion had received in the past had nothing to do with PvP.

[@rahundsigma]

I started in cata. I only pvp'd. They did something right or I wouldn't have kept playing

[@chrisfaulkner3831]

I would disagree and most of the people playing at that time would have disagreed as well. Some of it may have been rose tinted glasses for bc/wrath I’m sure, but there was 100% a genuine feeling from the pvp player base at the time, that pvp in Cata was worse than the previous expansions. If you were active during that time and played with people that played during bc/cata, you would hear it from them. Cata and WoD pvp were generally not looked at favorably at the time, or looking back. People did generally love PvP gearing in WoD though.

[@stefandonev1355]

It was the best, only people complaining were the classic zombie andys that wanna press 2 buttons

[@mbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmb]

Nostalgia got y’all falsifying memories

[@srk5587]

@@mbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmb If "nOsTaLgIa" is the only argument you have then don't even bother replying my friend. Always the weakest and laziest argument for everything.

[@stefandonev1355]

Cata and Mop best exp for PVP

[@tonglu2391]

I am waiting for this❤❤

[@KieferCaldwell]

Double ret UH dk was good too.

[@user-oh7fv6ds3k]

How didnt u mention rogues as the strongest class in cata pvp? Are u serious?)

[@breadmanfun]

Is gearing easier? Or does it take 2 months to get arena gear current season

[@pressm4n]

It's the same as wrath, so yes. 2 months. Lol and a struggle bus til then.

[@breadmanfun]

@@pressm4n looks like cata is back off the menu boys

[@wladynoszhighlights5989]

@@breadmanfun Its a bit faster since more PvP gear is bis instead of all PvE heroic raids

[@breadmanfun]

@@wladynoszhighlights5989 even just farming PvP gear takes forever though in wrath/TBC. Arena 5 set takes 2 weeks for every piece if you’re a average or below average player. Then add in weapons and rating requirements, you’re looking at 2 months give or take a few weeks. It’s a grind for sure if that’s still the case

[@zenith_journey]

@@breadmanfunthis guy is clueless . Gearing is way better than wrath

[@TimWalshVA]

how did thundergodx move his arena frames like that?

[@andrew_velaine]

Timings?

[@zeroresistance7203]

ru sure about that As a shaman in phase 1 full bis of cataclysm i WAS oom Very OFten.

[@emergent3744]

video starts 1:53

[@mrj5361]

How was cata lvling compared to wotlk?

[@lollingtoon]

Faster, questing was a lot more linear and less spread out, made it feel smoother imo, lots more heirlooms you can equip too

[@magdaadrian-sabin1699]

Less challanging and more boring. But better quests :)

[@Tehilliym]

Vid starts @ 1:50

[@whynotlin7998]

I just remembered the last two seasons of Cata were pretty balanced EXCEPT the bozos allowed legendary weapons in arenas which unbalanced it all over again.

[@dongy762]

Legendary daggers sucked. PvE trinkets were what made it annoying. At least it wasn't as bad as Wrath's PvE items.

[@wowprobeast7543]

@@dongy762yeah, hate that I have to get half to 75% full raid bis to be geared for PvP

[@andrecardoso6941]

Legendary daggers weren't even that OP in PvP.

[@Kaiioxx]

Gdkp again 🎉🎉

[@hamm8934]

dont druids lose powershifting in cata? why does not video talk about this?

[@ferfykins]

In the latter seasons you say pve gear gets stronger in PVP..... I never raid so i'm wondering how much i'll be at a loss using only pvp gear? as an affliction warlock? for 2v2 and 3v3?

[@bigknockersOO]

not really a massive loss because in general skill will always trump gear. that being said, the legendary items for rogue and mage make them literal god tier in another league, but in the final analysis you will be fine just using pvp gear.

[@PerzyYT]

Not a loss at all, I only run PVP gear which I got for free from BG’s and it’s god mode. I’m consistently top 5 in every bg with just PvP gear. Never ran a single raid in my life.

[@Jaybo1995]

I started playing in Cata I still think it’s the best!

[@omfgbogdan7288]

I disagree with rdudu being worst healer...rdru might be bad in 1st season...but on late seasons when he gets haste it s incredible op

[@KolanceMeer]

A nice breath of fresh air? I heard I need tons of hours on bgs, do PvE till season 11 and lvl a caster to feel viable in Cata 😅

[@madstu10]

We need a cataclysm addons/ file update the one u did for retail was r1 always use it and never looked back since need one for cata plz!!!!

[@flacontygavlor1048]

You sound like my assistant at Forza Horizon! :D

[@marounharfouch6533]

I dont see that raid on the list

[@frankEDC]

I liked cata PvP

[@jonatanhansson3386]

So do i HAFT to do ARENA to get the best pvp gear? Or is RBG enough? I hate arena, i love RBG

[@johng2794]

rbg is enough

[@donkeymule2]

What is rbg? I havent played in some months

[@johng2794]

@@donkeymule2 rated battlegrounds

[@ryansimcock2508]

Cata pvp hype

[@ozkantutarel2648]

Was a mage at cataclysm era ill run a mage again and again :)

[@kevinneparidze3973]

Were you fire or frost, how was it to get r1 compared to wrath, did you face lots of counter comps?

[@andrecardoso6941]

@@kevinneparidze3973 Fire is the best spec in Cata but if you play 2s frost might be better.

[@mhmtgks1533]

Ferals are best ? u kidding back in day only feral comp that worked was jungle maybe Sp feral but nothing is storger than Dk Ret or Rogue Lock

[@josedavidmunozmartinez4722]

Cata/MoP PvP is just waaaaaay to good to miss.

[@jarlfisk]

U all better reroll human for that racial ability and x2 pve trinkets. Gonna be so fun to see 90% alli pop 😅

[@justinb8297]

Yeah sometimes it's just better to leave the past in the past

[@blairewhiteradicalextremis7765]

Cata pvp is the best pvp ever and no one can tell me otherwise

[@jheim9958]

Agreed

[@andrecardoso6941]

100%

[@mk.4x785]

MoP was better. Everyone was broken, it was glorious.

[@ilkerfeyzula]

MY PEAK ARENA RATE WAS IN CATA MY HIGHEST POTENTIAL I HIT 2.7 WITH 2 CLASSES IN 3's, it was INSANELY GOOD TO PVP IN CATA AND MOP WAS ALSO GOOD THOUGH , GREAT PVP EVERYTHING WAS PERFECT CLASS DESIGN SKILLS IT WAS ABOUT SETUP AND BRAIN FUNCTION , CLASSES ALSO DID DAMAGE OUTSIDE OF COOLDOWNS YOU DIDNT RELY ONLY ON YOUR BURST CD's

[@andrecardoso6941]

Only problem with MOP was the amount of instant CC that was in the game. RBGs were painful to play.

[@Cyas100]

BEST xpack for areans!

[@antos5329]

Anyone think enh sham gonna make a comeback in cata? Every guide i’ve seen puts them like being so weak…

[@antos5329]

Asking about arenas and RBGs specifically. You can play w/e you want in normal battle grounds and still feel you can make and impact. I’ve been stressing out on what class to play cuz i’m a ret main but with the over population of paladins its been impossible for me to find a guild/arena team

[@Levelity]

@@antos5329 You won't get invited to much. RBG's they will want an ele shaman. Enhance is just a really bad feral druid in Cata. Feral druid brings instant clones and semi ranged interrupt with way more survivability.

[@donkeymule2]

@@Levelity thats so unfortunate although I do have a feral druid I used to love my enh shaman back in the days was thinkin about going back but thinking lock or rogue now

[@dmitriysavitskiy7314]

Cata is the best pvp addon, i’ve started playing in tbc and even wotlk is not as good as cata, its the time when all the things you can do in the game had impact and perfect balance between grinding and getting something too easy. Same applies to arena and basically to each aspect in the game imo. So hyped for cata release

[@hulkhogan9704]

rogues having a heal, a strong one on top of that, as well as other non-hybrids is what broke the game

[@wladynoszhighlights5989]

@@hulkhogan9704 warrior-pala in wotlk already was broken, in cata at least more things were broken so not every second gamer abuses war or pala

[@hulkhogan9704]

@@wladynoszhighlights5989 i never said that WotLK was any good/better :D I liked that every spell in WotLK had impact, but thats it. Cata is what caused WoW to break with the classic-gameplay and there were some good and bad design-decisions, yet since I started in Cata, thats one of my favorite xpacs anyway - despite not being the best IMO MoP was peak gameplay, where you could play almost every spec with new fun designs, before abilities got pruned

[@valamorthings]

Cata first 2 patches were PEAK wow gaming.

[@andrecardoso6941]

@@hulkhogan9704 yes MOP was good. Even players without skill could succeed in MOP.

[@MasterRe-mk3rs]

wotlk classic has shown that Cata wasn't the downfall of WoW

[@johng2794]

legion was

[@Mrmemphisbones]

Is this that much worse than what we have now ? i dont think so. Reforging was amazing btw.

[@quickschweezy]

But right now you Can craft gear and get exactly the stats you want. Retail pvp is honestly in a great spot this current moment

[@andrecardoso6941]

@@quickschweezy it is but most people who complain are classic Andys and retail is way too advanced for them to comprehend.

[@okandokandast]

@@quickschweezy except for the class design being so awful it's not even worth playing, even considering how easy to access it is.

[@bfitnessjoe]

PvP has once again made itself the selling point of WoW in Cataclysm. Not interested in Pve. PvP only boys !

[@dommart4697]

best xpac

[@ellypsis603]

Cata PvP is the best of all

[@anthonyg6083]

Noice

[@vengeance8924]

You think 6 bg wins for a piece is a grind??????

[@davidp2391]

For modern-day zoomers That's an eternity. Do you know how many tick tock videos they could have watched in that time?

[@goskawow1943]

There truly will not be enough demand for this. Such a large chunk of good classic players have either quit after their initial nostalgia kick or have moved on to SoD. I have attempted to play WotLK the last few weeks and it's just spanish speaking players who are absolute dumpster fires when it comes to ability

[@pici5533]

Any xpac where you have to PvE for the BiS PvP gear sucks. I guess it's fine if you're a loser that just sits home all day but some people want to log on for an hour or two, crush arenas and log off. Reasons why the PvP community across all xpacs in wow is extremely low.

[@chrisfaulkner3831]

This 100%, hated it back then…and have zero reason to subject myself to that garbage now. No thanks!

[@plasticbudgie]

But on the same coin. Any gear that is locked behind rating is the same principle, nerds who sit home all day doing 1000s of arenas. Same thing.

[@victorrobertson3782]

everyone i respect that plays pvp around me cant wait for cata, i cant wait for cata. its going to be awesome.

[@purplehaze9532]

everyone that plays actual pvp and is respectable plays retail

[@zabban]

retail is so trash is not even funny come on now@@purplehaze9532

[@wladynoszhighlights5989]

@@purplehaze9532 Some people prefer older expansions, but retail rn isnt as bad as bfa or SL in terms of balance

[@kevinneparidze3973]

@@purplehaze9532so laynerz,avizura, mirlol, gekku , chan and albraiky aren’t respectable you mean?

[@andrecardoso6941]

@@kevinneparidze3973 why you talking about private servers players? And Chan plays a lot of retail he's even winning all the tournaments on retail.

[@dongy762]

It's not bad. Pretty sure the consensus in the PvP community is that Cata and MoP reign supreme.

[@JamesDeanoli]

this is why first season of cata pvp is awesome and then it progressively turns to garbage with the more raid gear that is released

[@ScenOne]

middle ground between a total time wasting game and totally casual borefest

[@andrecardoso6941]

why you still talking about vanilla, tbc and wrath? This video is about Cata.

[@ScenOne]

@@andrecardoso6941 i dont think you understood the comment LOL, in other words this was the pinnacle of pvp for wow. Do you have reading comprehension issues or something or are you just that bone dry that you done understand analogies?

[@hvdiv17]

Play sub rogue,boomie,uhdk or mage thats all tou need to know😂

[@timbreaux1321]

Ey y’all know this came out like 50 years WHO CARES

[@oleander1705]

The world wasn’t redesigned from the ground up.

[@pyromanglad1136]

Oh and snapshot, I even forgot the moment when they decided to make the game more brainless and got rid of this mechanic for some reason

[@shanegillette8547]

Is that why all the pros say wotlk PvP is some of the best feeling PvP ever? I’ve legit seen videos of Venruki, xaryu, pikaboo etc. stating this.

[@andrecardoso6941]

haha that's why none of them even plays wrath lmao

[@draincatYT]

Dont really understand why people all of a sudden hate cataclysm pvp while I vividly remember it being regarded as the best pvp the game ever had, even into the next few expansions (lol MOP everything broken)?. Now its cool for the same players in the 26-2700 + bracket in cata to all of a sudden hate it. Even some streamers (hydra), will admit it was some of the best performance they ever had and experiences yet hate it?? I dont get it lol

[@oui2826]

I mean hydra said multiple times that cata pvp was shit

[@AlleviateWoW]

Hydra is a washed up SoD player who cares what he thinks

[@oui2826]

@@AlleviateWoW He's been dominating pvp since pvp existed. His opinion is 100 times more valuable than some random dude in a KZbin comment

[@draincatYT]

@@AlleviateWoW it's called an example my guy. Do you have any value to add? Ok.but.why

[@draincatYT]

@@oui2826 I just asked him on his stream like 2 days ago calm down

[@jorgedroguettoyanedel1227]

so... you need pve gear? :s

[@omnivorex24]

no

[@user-xv2un1pk4t]

I still remember 2 blood DKs teamed up and hit 2400 in arena...... warrior need a physical shield in their bag and binds it to a macro so to use pivotal abilities..... mage is stupid: deep frozen and biu biu biu~, enemy dies.

[@flavioromano8754]

Sounds like someone who died a lot to mages in pvp.

[@user-xv2un1pk4t]

@@flavioromano8754 who didn't? mage in cata was completely OP: frost ring without casting, 3 shields, magic steal cost only 3% mana without CD, legendary staff,no worry about running out mana, easy but savage burst......🥱🥱🥱

[@andrecardoso6941]

Sounds like you are really awful at pvp.

[@user-xv2un1pk4t]

@@andrecardoso6941 well, is there anything not true in my word? I'm just stating the fact, Cata pvp IS broken

[@strpulse1]

Using a private server to with custom balancing in your videos 😂

[@terryward8842]

Thanks for reminding me why I stopped playing during Cata...

[@andrecardoso6941]

cause you had no skill?

[@johng2794]

was it too good for u? was it too much for u?

[@frstflvr7327]

Problem with classic PvP is that the meta is completely figured out from day one. So every game is just meta comp Vs meta comp and no creativity or variety... No one wants to pop lay that - just look at wotlk PvP - completely dead.

[@CleavesonWoW]

PVE to PvP? All on a temporary asset? No thnx

[@rackcity-sz4oy]

ONE SHOT MACRO

[@Fesonsteam]

I was playing private servers only before cata, it was my first retail experience... And it was so much worse than private wotlk that i came back for them untill wod

[@Fabolousyo]

Same here. I couldnt enjoy it for some reasons

[@andrecardoso6941]

lol until WOD. How's Cata worse than wotlk please do explain.

[@donkeymule2]

Private servers were goated bro i was on those too

[@lostheboss7938]

Hating cata is a classic example of herd/sheep mentality.

[@draincatYT]

Yes. 100000%

[@draincatYT]

Why is it bad ? Durr it sucks

[@okandokandast]

Too bad S10 and S11 will be unplayable due to mandatory PvE.

[@HHalcyon]

Yeah, this makes me consider whether I even want to play Cata. Investing in S9 doesn't seem sensible if I have to prepare for S10 PvE to play by the rules of rng Gods to be viable on paper in PvP. I stuck through with WotLK. I'm glad I did but I won't do it again. The only saving grace if I were to change my mind is that I have 2 lvls 80s and they're both Ferail Druids.

[@donkeymule2]

@@HHalcyonwhy would you have 2 of the same class? Kind of curious here I also have a feral

[@HHalcyon]

@@donkeymule2 I can tryhard and fool around without sacrificing one for the other. And gearing up a lower Feral next to main Feral helps understand the class a bit better, too. Feeling the weakness of not having top tier gear makes you try other ways to get the kill or survive.

[@donkeymule2]

@@HHalcyon ok that makes a lot of sense never knew people did that on wow

[@reneroder3263]

I save you time to understand PVP in cata. Go "Feral Druid/ Combat Rogue/ Unholy DK/ Retry Paladin/ MM Hunter/Frost Mage" or just dont play PVP at all. Theese are literally S tier and all other specs are down in B tier there's no need for "A" tier thats how overpowered theese specs are over all other in Cataclysm. :)

[@justinb8297]

*sub rogue not combat ROFL. Just wait till they get legendary daggers and also fire mages are completely broken.

[@reneroder3263]

@@justinb8297 Your right Sub Rogues* my mistake, and Firemages also, they have literally all CC benefits of Frost Mage... Like... when their all specs can do well in PVP why warrior must have nerfed fury?

[@TheRampage1337]

PvP 😂? Servers are all now same faction … bg pvp imo just gets boring afterwards…

[@dustypan83]

The classic killer expansion that nobody wanted or asked for.

[@johng2794]

i wanted it. most of my accounts have the name "nobody" in it tho^^