Evidence We're Living In A SIMULATION - How Evolution Hid The TRUTH | Donald Hoffman

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Most of us believe we perceive reality as it generally is, with perhaps some slight distortions. But mathematical models based on natural selection suggest that our strongest intuitions may be false. On this episode of Conversations with Tom, Donald Hoffman and Tom Bilyeu discuss the fascinating possibilities that stem from the theory that evolution gave us the equivalent of a desktop interface that hides the real truth from us so that we can take effective action. They discuss the nature of consciousness, free will, space-time, causality and the self.
SHOW NOTES:
Most of us believe that we see reality as it is. But we don’t. [1:14]
Donald describes how mathematical game theory explains natural selection [3:42]
Donald talks about a game he created to simulate evolution [9:33]
Seeing the truth and seeing what you need to survive are very different things [13:51]
Evolution gave us the equivalent of a desktop interface, not the truth [18:11]
Every creature has a different user interface and perceives a different reality [24:57]
Science progresses because we push our best theories to their limit [29:05]
If we let go of logic and reasoning, then we have nothing left [32:10]
There will always be unprovable truths. You can never know it all. [35:14]
Evolution has created various forms of virtual reality [39:40]
Donald describes the process by which you “see” an apple [42:05]
Evolution tells us that the language of space and time does not describe reality [47:53]
Donald proposes that reality is a vast social network of conscious agents [49:39]
A conscious agent creates their interpretation from their experiences [53:32]
What is consciousness? [57:12]
What does a conscious agent need to do? [1:00:49]
Donald and Tom discuss fascinating cases of split-brain patients [1:08:13]
If your visualization tool is very good, it can focus on finer and finer detail [1:11:36]
If space-time is doomed then is causality doomed as well? [1:22:17]
Tom and Donald discuss the nature of cause and effect [1:24:35]
Donald discusses free will and its relationship to cause and effect [1:28:01]
The self is a construction just like space and time [1:30:27]
You can never experience yourself choosing [1:39:15]
Donald describes the experience of realizing that he is just inside a VR headset [1:40:01]
What created math? [1:44:53]
What’s the difference between math all the way down and turtles all the way down? [1:50:25]
Tom and Donald discuss the double-slit experiment in physics [1:56:18]
Donald talks about his wife and his marriage [2:01:49]
Donald and Tom discuss the possibility of taking off the headset [2:03:10]
Donald and Tom discuss why they haven’t used psychedelics [2:07:10]
Since space-time is doomed, what’s next? [2:13:27]
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[@artaferenok8777]

I wish dr. Hoffman would be able to finish more sentences without being interrupted by Tom :-)

[@mayakyen3695]

Yea that kinda got annoying. I really wanted to hear what he had to say.

[@stevemiller887]

Yeah , I find that somewhat annoying, I think he's got his ego in the way.

[@mayakyen3695]

@@stevemiller887 yup n seems like ego ruins more than it offers. The good news is, other ppl seemed to have interviewed Donald Hoffman. Much better interviews where they actually Listened to him and asked questions when he was finished explaining each theory. I found them on KZbin, by typing in his name. Cheers!😄🖖🏾

[@DjKellyDee]

darn it I wish he could have kept quiet but I think it was done on purpose. It was a strategy.

[@simonchis9333]

Exactly, couldn't finish the interview even tho I really want to hear the conversation. Interruptions too annoying

[@benneden2580]

I have never seen a more patient, articulate and respectful interview subject. He is marvellous.

[@keekwai2]

And so wrong. lol

[@benneden2580]

@@keekwai2 care to elaborate?

[@stewartcowan9659]

He's a foul-mouthed ignoramus. The interviewer, that is. Plus, Darwin was demonstrably wrong, so this whole video is pointless, as I'm sure, is the channel.

[@fredericmcfadden5768]

He's awesome..

[@JasonBunting]

@@keekwai2 to have knowledge of the "wrongness" of the theory would require challenging it in a way to make it so - what do you have to offer towards that end? Merely saying it's wrong doesn't make it so

[@SSunshine369]

2:07:21 Reading about other peoples experience can never bring you to the absolute magic of having a psychedelic experience for yourself. And the only price I've ever paid for doing the different things I've done in the plant medicine space is the realization that I have to come back to normal life. And at this point it does really feel like a price to pay.... but I'm deeply grateful for the time I do get spend on plant medicine... and just being pure consciousness is an experience I've had many times,... and after quite a few years of meditating, I can get there just through meditation now. Love this episode .... thank you 🙏🏼

[@timelessadventurer]

Thanks for supporting psychedelics! I have done plant medicine before too and now want to venture into reaching that state through meditation. But I don’t know where to start to find guidelines to help my journey. Do you have any advice about how to get going?

[@davecros4887]

@@timelessadventurerAs you meditated look within yourself. Do a sort of trust fall into yourself. Into your own consciousness. People typically make the mistake of trying to look outside of themselves but the key is looking within.

[@zane003]

I respect how Tom doesn't move on without understanding where this is going. This is the difference between someone who goes through a lecture and gets nothing out of it, or someone who asks the questions and learns something. Yes its annoying but look at 10:49 - 13:00. Mr. Hoffman keeps skipping over the details because they are so simple for him, but we needed that information milked out of him to be able to keep up. Great interview

[@deborahcurtis1385]

Exactly. But there are at least 54 geniuses out there who TU'd the post that tells him to stop! One is even using caps to do it. This is appallingly rude, and I hope Tom understands that most people love his work and appreciate his contributions and observations.

[@CCOREY6O6]

@@deborahcurtis1385 that's right. If someone wants no interruption they can read or listed to Donald's books. It's fare more interesting to listen someone really trying to understand the matter. also there's the reason why Tom is an interviewer and not those 54 geniuses :)

[@deborahcurtis1385]

@@CCOREY6O6 TOTALLY! It's funny to hear the self-appointed experts at interviewing!

[@janedoe1771]

I read a lot of complaints about the interviewer and his supposed "interruptions". But imo he does a great job, let me explain. I listened to a lot of DH's videos, and I "somewhat" got his claims. But a bunch of questions popped up in my mind and I'd like to deepen my understanding. Tom is taking DH out of a monologue and putting him into a dialogue, jumping in when things get too abstract for a layperson and forcing him to re- articulate his thoughts by using an alternative explaining technique. Sometimes a deeper understanding comes just by hearing an information packed in another way. Tom is not interrupting DH from arrogance, he is helping to disassemble DH's thoughts into smaller chunks, which are far better digestible than the longer, uninterrupted "flow". But that's maybe just me...

[@timotheousg9796]

im with you......needed to digest before swallowing more

[@martinmuldoon603]

To be honest I think too many people were critical of Tom, I watched it while in bed, I slept woke, slept and woke again several times, I plan on listening to the whole interview again when I up and about doing other things. It is very deep and difficult for me to understand, I don't have a degree in quantum science or mathematics so I have found Toms interruptions useful to help me get a grasp of what the professor was talking about, he helped keep him at a level for the common person. I really enjoyed the rant towards the end of the interview where Tom related to drug use good and bad trips, how he was afraid of messing with the unknown, how his wife likes the way he is, not over intelligent etc. I admit I haven't seen all the interview but I think Tom did a good enough job if not great, definitely not as bad as so many accused him of, I think he drew better explanations out of the professor. Its a weird world/life if you go to deep, I'm not sure we need to know this stuff it could make our lives less meaningful rather than real, sometimes I wish it were all a illusion because we can take it all very serious on the other hand some don't take anything seriously, so why all the grabbing for wealth and fame, putting others down etc. I think if we could learn to be better to each other less competitive more love less hate it would be a good place to start. Peace to all and let God be God or whatever you prefer to believe if that makes you kinder to others in this short journey we call life we all have to live through like it or not.

[@bvshenoy7259]

@@martinmuldoon603 Please listen to Purush sukta : Creation of Universe; as per Hindu Vedic scripture, Rig Ved Sanskrit shlokas with English translation. Namaste kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqXFc4qBfN9pmK8

[@Reienroute]

Agreed. I'm guessing that a lot of the people who are complaining about the interruptions are looking more for flow than they are an in depth understanding. Whatever ambiguity comes with hearing someone speak about such a complicated topic is something people will generally want to feel comfortable with letting go. I think it's just in our nature to prefer the path of least resistance, and in this case that's basically just having some stepping stones laid out for our imagination. The interviewer's questions forces more rigor on the part of DH and by proxy, on the listener.

[@dsm5d723]

You guys are, with any and all due respect, ignoring the thing the 20th Century was wasted on, and talking about your emotional assessment of some you tube tw@t'$ "performance" in comparison with Hoffman, who grew up in a weekly meeting with Francis Crick and the Fathers of brain science. Tom is nobody, he yaps to smarter people, and the internet mirror neuron models themselves AS Tom talking to a minor God. I critique and attempt to curate the work of "important" people, and they ignore real challenges to keep being themselves and doing what they do. Max Tegmark has pondered life in 1 dimension mathematically, and he didn't answer me about COVID, a full data structure in non-retro RNA. I think now that it was always here, and simply reshaped and reformed into the various pandemics of RNA nature that have been recorded. I adore the Oxford Sweating Sickness, as one who has always dealt with night sweats, sometimes of Biblical proportions. You ever wake up in a cool room with a gallon or so of sweat covering everything? Wu Han, the Chinese B@t F!_!cker might also be called Azazel, from the Bible. The next time ANYONE uses the word Demon or Demonology with you, show them this video and see if they are qualified to continue using it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4S1ZqSElLigj6c

[@tehdebil]

Hoffman is an amazing author and modern thinker. Tom, my second view of your stuff. Please just save the questions for after the guest explains their thought. Your interruptions are not helpful to their explanations or those of your audience who are here for them & just seeing you as a result.

[@rozalina531]

Agreed. Tom's interruptions are rude and so unprofessional. I would have walked out of the interview if I was Hoffman. He deserves so much more respect. Tom Iis ignorant and rude for interrupting all the time. I stopped watching it because of this. So annoying 🎯 💯

[@deborahcurtis1385]

On the contrary, they are very helpful indeed.

[@pargolf3158]

@@deborahcurtis1385 Agreed.

[@gameeditorche2481]

He never does that wit some clown crypto talkers

[@Constantinesis]

The headset theory really makes sense to me, in fact you can imagine this headset being differrent for each species. When you look at a cat, you feel its a furry and cute little thing but when she sees you, she doesnt really know you are a human. In fact scientists say that cats see us as some kind of big and ugly strange looking cats.

[@clivepaxton6415]

Brilliant. Such a joy to watch two extremely intelligent individuals debating such a complex subject. I have long believed that we all have slightly different perceptions of reality but I hadn't seriously questioned whether or not reality even exists. It would answer some of the very profound questions we have about "God", life and the universe. I found the topic of mind altering drugs very interesting. I took acid at university in the sixties and experienced the mixing of the senses. Even now I can vividly remember the taste of the music as it came off the LP. My theory of why we are here is also that we are here to experience and learn. The question is, do I want to take the headset off? Thanks guys, I loved every minute of it.

[@siddified]

You mean 1 extremely intelligent person and 1 egomaniac.

[@davecros4887]

@@siddified😂😂 right

[@jeromehaymaker5071]

Reality exists, but our perception of it is limited by how our sense of being is set to understand it.

[@kenchoi702]

Interesting - seen enough of Tom’s interviews to know he doesn’t make a habit of interrupting. I think two things are happening: 1) Given the complex nature of the topic, Tom felt a need to ‘interrupt’ in order to help viewers digest the content and 2) he is genuinely deeply interested in the topic and ended up interrupting to quench the desire to understand. All in all, it was a good subject/interview!

[@nowhere6285]

Yes, that's right, because if you just continue listening, you forget the question because then there would already be 3 or 4 more questions!!!

[@davidrobertson1980]

Gezzachary!

[@tobiass320]

100%.

[@stephenbarnes9096]

He ruined it for me

[@jefffiooo]

In the beginning it was ok... But overall he interrupted to much.

[@speaking190]

Thank you so much for this and for trying to clarify, but the interruptions are constants so it feels like the one being interviewed, Donald, always needs to diverge from his just-started line of thought, and we always potentially miss a conclusion. Too many interruptions, whilst he never interrupted, so it was almost like a power imbalance. But great great choice of guest and thank you for your hard work with giving us this info!

[@loganjohnson7613]

That's why one is a ground breaking scientist and the other is an entrepreneur. One knows how to listen and one knows how to talk. Just sucks that the one who knows how to listen is the one we would rather hear talk. This is generally always true

[@aquapurity]

Very good description. Yes. Totally miss so many conclusions that Hoffman is trying to communicate.

[@faismasterx]

TOM, PLEASE STOP INTERRUPTING HIM WHEN HE'S ANSWERING A QUESTION OR GIVING AN EXPLANATION! Thank you.

[@deborahcurtis1385]

Stop shouting please. It's so rude! Plus I find and I'm sure many others find, the so called interruptions helpful.(it's actually a conversation, not a speech)

[@alexj9111]

Niel's Bohr quoted: "Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real." So maybe this universe is a kind of simulation? Until science can explain what the field is made of, then the simulation theory is really compelling.

[@eps4560]

"Seeing the truth, and seeing what is deemed needed to survive are two very different things" deep

[@mikeross2959]

Dr. Hoffman's discussion aligns significantly with the theories in Srimad Bhagavatam. Srimad Bhagavatam is a 10-volume exposition derived from Hindu scripture and describes the creation of the Universe and points to the theory that there is an absolutely truth (reality) in which there is a Supreme Controller (also called the Supreme Being), controlling many millions of planetary systems and black holes, each containing different living entities, which have different types of senses that perceive the same matter in different ways from living entities in a different planetary system. Srimad Bhagavatam also discusses that each living entity is a spark of energy, that originally was part and parcel of the Supreme Being, and at the beginning of time they are put into a cycle of Birth and Death, where, at the beginning, they are put into different material bodies (varying from human to amoeba), based on their karmic actions in previous lifetime. Each material body provide different degrees of suffering and when the material body can no longer be sustained, the living entities are released from the material body and move into another material body (i.e. cycle of birth and death), a process known as transmigration. Because of the slow pace at which human senses perceive movement of space and time, we assume it to be our reality because it seems almost constant that we can measure it with our limited senses, but according to absolute reality, the universe also as a birthday and death day - it is called one life cycle of Brahma. At the end of Brahma's cycle, the entire material universe is re-absorbed into the Supreme Being using black holes and then re-created again, when Brahma is again born. In the current year (2020) and current carbon-dated age of Earth (approx 4+ billion years), Brahma is approximately 56years old and dies at 100years. The universe has approx another 4+ billions years before it is again re-absorbed by the Supreme Being. It is all relative, there is only one constant consciousness, the consciousness of the Supreme Being, who is the only one who can observed transmigration, so new life, old life, time periods, evolution of species, etc are all only relative to the absolute truth. Humans start, humans end - that makes us count each life cycle, and hence, each life cycle is only relative. Most of us have experienced millions of births in previous lifetimes, but we cannot remember because the human body does not allow those memories to be stored. There are 4-handed beings considered higher forms than the human body, made in the image of the Supreme Being. Because we start and because we end, we have to consider ourselves untrue (inconstant) compared to the Supreme Being who is the only constant.

[@mikeross2959]

Dear Mr Phillips, I've not come across the term near death experience in particular, but it does make reference to a scripture called the Garuda Purana, Purana meaning testimony, and Garuda (a living entity described as a bird) is described as the physical vehicle of the Supreme Being. The Garuda Purana describes the transmigration process of a living entity that has assumed a human body, from birth (as foetus in mother's womb - suffering starts here as bacteria and viruses feed on the foetus) through to assuming its next body. Consider yourself fortunate in experiencing an NDE - it is just a status check on where you are relative to realization of the absolute truth, just the same as when a teacher drops a pop quiz (or surprise test) on the students. It seems that the conclusion of information in the Srimad Bhagavatam is that the main goal of all living entities is to realize what is the absolute truth and find a way out of the cycle of birth and death, i.e. to find a means to voluntarily re-absorb into the Supreme Being and end repeated cycles of suffering. The Garuda Purana also mentions that living entities are attached to the activities that they perform regularly (remember the old saying, association broods attachment?) and at the time of death or at the last breath, the strongest attachment will manifest in your consciousness, and whatever you are attached to, you will achieve that in your next life (kinda reminds me of the Law of Attraction) - for example, if throughout your lifetime you attach yourself to animals, there's a high chance that at the time of your last breath you will think about an animal, and that is the material body you will assume in your next life. So it seems that an NDE is intended to inform you on your attachments and it is up to you to change your attachments and acquire more appropriate ones - Srimad Bhagavatam recommends figuring out what/who is this Supreme Being and finding ways to attach yourself to that Supreme Being so you can get yourself out of the cycle of birth and death.

[@zenscape663]

all these spiritual discussions ultimately come to the same conclusions which were written 5000 years ago in the upanishads and vedas in hinduism...you really have to give credit where its due despite all the contempt and villification hinduism gets from the followers of dogmatic abrahamic religions

[@bhuveshsharma7425]

@@zenscape663 Hinduism is not even a religion, it is a name given by English men Actually sanatan dharm is the religion that is confused with Hinduism. I can be an atheist and a hindu, but I cannot be an atheist and a follower of sanatan dharm

[@pkpcmu]

@Mr Phillips in Srimad Bhagavatm there is a reference to NDE - ajamila is the name of the guy.

[@LifestyleUnlimitedUSA]

Watch swami sarvapriyananda lectures on KZbin. Thank me later.

[@ericgoldin4600]

Once had a psychedelic trip where I got the insight that consciousness was this unbounded thing and that it is literally trying to explore every opportunity and form it possibly can. That's basically why Donald is saying about Gurdels incompleteness theorom. There is infinite possibilities to explore, and there is a drive to explore them all.

[@ntuthukomkhize6140]

I’m probably not going to articulate this well but here I go. I find the concept of our “headset” as some sort of an interface between us and the “matrix code” ,similar to the idea of “a bubble of perception” if you will, and we are all born into it and continue to reinforce with the specific way we perceive reality. This idea is presented in the Castaneda book with a shaman named Don Juan😮😮 The cool thing to me is that in the book, “Don Juan” tells you how to break through it intensionally and all that. I also think its pretty wild how a concept that comes up in ball tripping shamanism can be similar to a concept proposed by a strict scientist. Named Dr Donald Huffan! Thanks so much for this awesome interview.

[@amandahood1032]

so. many. interruptions. I usually love Tom's interviews... we get that you have lots of questions but lord let us catch up!

[@thegeniusfool]

This topic is understandable for the Commoner++ at the surface, but the discussion around perceptual models and associated meta model is not. That stresses Tom.

[@mallariculp3551]

David Bergman We are smarter than Tom gives us credit for, but we do need a full thought to follow without it feeling like we’re trying to catch a throng of frogs in a swamp.

[@bluntman187211]

Catch up come on hi to keep going you got to keep growing to keep growing you keep going haven’t slept in days I got addiction grab a pen and paper

[@faismasterx]

@@thegeniusfool "Commonor++" LOL nice.

[@ThePickleballShow_CurtisReese]

Agreed … it’s obvious there are personal hang ups but this isn’t a political debate - let him explain ( finish)

[@janinesilverlance8444]

You should never interrupt like this, I think it wise to learn patience and kindness, especially with a guest giving views or information

[@kalaukia434]

Tom swears.....very immature

[@cytuber]

I agree. The guest seems he's about to lay it all out then the interviewer destroys the flow and we're all over the place

[@ecr-9341]

Yeah....Tom’s interruptions are atrocious....And when he curses, it just sounds stupid. Anyway...

[@DPSufferer]

This interview is why i watch Tom's videos. You sir bring the obscure thinking out there to the relative mainstream and i could never thank you enough for it.

[@Acoustic-Rabbit-Hole]

Folks in the commentary section been complaining the Tom kept interrupting his guest, and there are some clues to this slight air of impatient arrogance. Listen to the cool techno-jingle he uses to start his shows. He's TRYING to be cool. // Or observe how he begins his shows dialogs with the very canned statement "What is up." Bilyeu suffers from white-man syndrome. Whiteness in the USA has been so shamed, cowboy culture so shamed, Christianity , and even masculinity itself has been so shamed my the media establishment that Tom's safety-default is to appear "hip" my associating his show with hipster-music, and trendy catch-phrases. But it's not his fault. Society has pushed him into being in a state of irritation and a slightly lost identity. We still love him and thank him and God BLESS him for all of his work put forth in our path to Enlightenment itself. You are not a bad guy, Tom. (And don't interrupt me when I say so). - The Acoustic Rabbit Hole

[@ehartwick88]

I love how you didnt write him off for his behavior instead you try to understand him 😊 your thinking is very similar to mine I seen the same thing here lol

[@starzthelimit3563]

I believe our bodies are our VR headsets and when our souls leave our bodies then you see what's outside of that.... Full consciousness

[@inhalefarts]

I think that's somewhat correct, but there's so many different remote "religions" and spiritual myths that all have origin stories that seem to act as instructions for those people and how for them to act in this world. I think it's less a "vr headset" and more like a training stage or a pupae stage for a soul. Maybe the greater being(s) who created us uses this small time vet and create decent people who can live in harmony and without evil things in the ultimate levels of the afterlife. As for those who don't pass as being decent people, maybe they just get cycled (reincarnated) here until they have been broken down by life and remade into decent people, then they can go back home. Time dilation theory has been proven so it could be that this entire simulation is taking place in moments as some sort of training exercises for aliens, and even if we spent 4000 lifetimes here learning the required lessons in their society (like how to give up violent sentiments and be a truly community oriented person who isn't materialistic and selfish and so forth), maybe it's like their right of passage into becoming a true citizen of the higher light. Whatever it takes I guess.

[@starzthelimit3563]

@@inhalefarts very true!

[@justincredible5108]

I had no bizzniz with anything to do with these types of topics. Im a cdl driver, mechanic, electrical mechanical engineer, jack of all trades..except spiritulism and religion..was right up there with politics when it came to me avoiding argumentative subjects. Until I experienced a full blown unexpected kundalini Awakening. The whole shabang in 3 months. Vibration started in lower root chakra and rose up through all of them, activated third eye and crown and went on an indescribable journey. Hadno clue what was happening or where i was..but i def went somewhere, met someone who showed me many things and blessed me with many new gifts and insights. It is too powerful for me to ignore or deny. I have changed..i will never be the same. As hard as it was /is to learn and cope with this new truth and these new gifts..i wouldnt trade it for anything. I know exactly what people mean when they say "they found God".

[@starzthelimit3563]

@@justincredible5108 What a beautiful gift you've been given!! I had a near death experience, but my heart never stopped. I was in the ocean taken by a rip tide.. unable to swim out of it, I just let it take me. It had me facing up, pushing my back down to the rocks and sand...scraping my back every time I hit bottom and then pushing me closer to the surface but still without reach. It was then that I could see the sun shining through the water and thought... this is how I am going to die.. I can't believe that this is how it ends...it can't be, I didn't even have children yet!! And a calm came over me, like something or someone was there..telling me it was going to be OK. So I tried to swim one last time and I was finally able to get out. I was far into the ocean but I was able to stand on something, a sand mound maybe.... and thank goodness cause I had absolutely no strength to swim back. After about 10 minutes of standing there staring back at my friends on shore, and reflecting on what I just went through. I decided to make my trip back...exhausted and my back was completely scraped up. My friends said they called for help and thought I was dead. They were looking for my parent's number on my phone. Like you.... I will never look at life the same way or believe that this is it. There is definitely something bigger than us..

[@kirstinstrand6292]

@@justincredible5108 sounds Amazing. You say God, maybe your Enlighted self, instead. Full Consciousness? Are you coping comfortably? 3 months is very fast. I think it took me 3 years, after my shift; not like yours, though. And I'm definitely rooted on Earth. I assume you are, too. I can't say I'm Spiritual, tho I did wske up and realize God is inside - not "out there."

[@blueskies1237]

This would be a much better video if someone could just fast forward every time Tom talks.

[@pureenergy4578]

You can fast forward by moving the hand along the long horizontal line. The pictures of the video as this hand moves show you where you are so you can stop exactly past Tom.

[@angelg2638]

I did.

[@lucydayLucida]

Having accidentally ingested a very large dose of psilocybin mushrooms many years ago, I can attest to the utter terror of the "ego death" part of the experience. It was an extraordinarily profound experience that left me forever changed, for the better. I would recommend anyone with an interest in such things to take the plunge. It's only fear and once your ego is dead there's nothing left of 'you' to be terrified any more. The peak of that barely lasts a couple of hours. Just don't do it alone or in tricky surroundings. Have a sedative on hand if you're prone to panic attacks, like I am. This was my first ever experience with psychedelics. There was nothing to stave off the initial extreme fear for me, nor did I know until too late I'd taken far too much. But afterwards, I saw the torment as a very very small price to pay for such a rare and immensely valuable experience. Looking forward to hearing about it if either of you ever try it.

[@heartfullyhonest]

I took my first proper acid dose last night, not ego death but very close and I did experience exactly this, and best part is, I took more again and now listening to this, and it's just mind-blowing altogether :)

[@heartfullyhonest]

I literally can't wait to go all in. :)

[@lucydayLucida]

@@heartfullyhonest Wonderful. Have you returned to this reality yet? Hope it was everything you wanted it to be.

[@heartfullyhonest]

@@lucydayLucida hey, it was a very good therapy for the starters. I was going through hell recently and this really helped me a lot. And yes I saw the fractals and beautiful stuff getting lost walking home on a street I know. It was amazing. But I see I will need to really prepare and take a larger one after a month. I’m going for the hero dose next time. ;)

[@lucydayLucida]

@@heartfullyhonest If it was good therapy you got your money's worth. I never got any acid good enough to break through on. It was blue meanie mushrooms that did it. I ate 10 freshly picked. It was my first time and later I found out 3 would have been a strong dose, especially for someone as skinny as I am. Let us know how it goes.

[@stevedamon8884]

It was really cool of Donald to interview Tom.

[@prettysure3085]

Hahahhahaha:)

[@enlightened2326]

In a different headset, this interview lasted only 20 minutes without the interruptions.

[@RojoFrijol]

Lol

[@spartanfinancialconsulting7425]

buy KZbin premium and all your problems are solved and you escape the matrix

[@GrooveFederation]

install adblock plus for firefox & im sure its on other browsers too and boom, most ads vanish

[@rebeccaerb9935]

Lol

[@mallariculp3551]

In that different headset, I might have actually learned something too. To me, it felt like blowing up a bunch of balloons and popping them just as quickly.

[@__rmk__9360]

Our consciousness exists both inside and outside the headset... that really made me happy.. I want my Dad, Uncle and all the dear beings whom we have lost physically to exist in a better place after death.. and I want to be re-united with my Dad again with continuity..

[@surgicaltoolboxrnhealthbea3292]

You will be with family members when you leave the earth without your physical body. That’s what I gathered watching many “near death experiences seeing heaven” testimonials on you tube

[@Burkscam]

Nobody dies. We’re technically not living here bcus it isn’t actually life. It’s a short term experience, like being on a ride at the fair.

[@ravisungod]

When there is a seer and seen .i.e this and that it's a false notion , advaith "only non duality exist" rest is Maya illusion

[@pureenergy4578]

Get the book Hands of Light written by the physicist Barbara Brennan. Physicists know we are not physical or solid because atoms are electrical energy fields. Nobody dies because we are constantly being created as the images of our souls, which are electrical energy field beings that are creating US as THEIR images.

[@TheShadyGuitarist23]

Same here

[@OfCourseICan]

My hero: Donald Hoffman is a living breathing, humble genius. What a gift, thank you Sir

[@nyijedi]

Found this podcast after just discovering Donald Hoffman through his TED talk. LOVED EVERY SECOND OF IT!

[@josephpalmer6844]

The actual reason Tom stated of this being a show is to have an authentic conversation in front of his viewers without quite the same level of manners and without a fear of challenging or questioning the others beliefs. Interrupting and pushing to get to a certain place in conversation is just part of it and Tom is the host so it serves him to do that. All we can do is stand bye for the ride and take the immense amounts of value out of this that are sitting there. I think this show is brilliant and so full of value and I think the saltiness about interruptions is decently misled with all respect! I have very much appreciation to Tom for letting all of us inside of his mind in a real raw conversation. So valuable thanks Tom!

[@JackdawLifts]

That’s a good perspective my friend I sensed he’s trying to create that authentic vibe like rogan. And with the table facing each other. But my comments left on this thread still apply ahah

[@kevinr2261]

This show SHOULD be called; 'Interrupted Conversations By Tom'

[@odoggow8157]

u r a fool

[@pipsantos6278]

He is not a fool.

[@Audikontroller1]

That is why I stopped JRE he just interrupted so much when people came who had something to say other than giggles and weed

[@elviscesar8021]

Tom denied simulation, we are not real its a game , just take a look at the universe how crazy enormous .

[@jeffgill4364]

@@pipsantos6278 we

[@bryanbernard5815]

I was excited to watch this video and that it was so long because I wanted to learn more about Donald Hoffman, I couldn't make it past 11 minutes because of Tom's constant interruptions. a sign of a good interviewer is someone who listens to their guest. Tom would consistently ask a question and before Hoffman got even a third of the way into responding Tom would interrupt with another longer question. I wouldn't be surprised if the 11 minutes I watched was 80% Tom talking. It should've been the other way around. I'm grateful that this isn't the only interview with Donald Hoffman.

[@awyer8060]

So WE - and our perception of “separation” from all this - WE - are the real miracle here! What we perceive as spirituality is really the prevalent “Normal” in the universe. All the universes!!

[@zeneyep6590]

i liken this interview to edging. Donald would be close to blowing my mind and just as he was about to say the last few key words... tom would jump in and reset by asking him something else... donald would then start again to build that "omg moment" ANNDDD tom cuts him off... BLUE BALLEDDDD :(((

[@mallariculp3551]

Yep. It was almost like deliberate so we can’t see if this means anything or not. We just have to believe Tom.

[@escapethehatetrix]

BAHAHAHAHAH

[@johnsmith-000]

I almost smashed the monitor a couple of times;)

[@TZVnt]

I am a woman but even I felt this. It made sense before Tom wanted to spend more time on the subject and he starts bringing things left and right in.. When it made sense before lol, was ready to move on

[@zeneyep6590]

@@johnsmith-000 XD YYYUUPP

[@lilyorienykarlsson6979]

Tom! You have to let the guy finish talking! Remember there are other people listening. You ask amazing questions, but you will not let the guy finish talking! ohh Please!

[@2uneak]

Lex Fridman does the same thing!

[@picklefickle243]

it's B I G and L O U D "CONVERSATIONS with Tom Bilyeu" not an interview

[@hireality]

This ‘dude’ Tom is not a good interviewer. His ego is too big. I’ve seen much better interviews with Hoffman. I agree with another commentators, Lex Friedman, same thing unfortunately.

[@beamerUSA]

No. The questions were imp for us Laymans. The scientist is brilliant and will never explain what we want to know unless he asks them on behalf of us which we might not really be able to even if we were in front of the brilliant scientist.

[@Dpaq13]

youtube needs to ban these comments. downvote and go somewhere else

[@monklingtoneverjet2536]

OMG this is hands down the most amazing goosebump discussion. Life changing. The information just dropped in and the light went off not on! I can't shake the feeling there's nothing back there, it's all out front! close your eyes, so you see grey right? now try looking out the BACK of your head, eyes- that's the biggest reveal. there's absolutely nothing

[@Killane10]

Hi Tom, love your practical down to earth interviewing style. You must do a similar interview with Bernardo Kastrup and Rupert Spira.

[@bdanRO]

Hey Tom! Keep up the great work! Some feedback: You were interrupting Mr. Hoffman a bit too much in this interview.

[@jay2yosi]

You know why he interrupted in between b.c in terms of defining things the interviewee was way a head of the scope of the interviewer"s understanding.

[@missp4819]

Yes but he still could have let the man speak, finish what he was going to say then recap. Very distracting. I agree.

[@humanearthling4661]

@@jay2yosi -- I agree. Tom admitted as much. It is my observation that Tom asked some great questions the audience of viewers of this video may have had themselves ; so they were helpful in understanding the somewhat rambling discourse of the interviewee . When someone knows their subject in and out, up and down, they sometimes don't realize their listener is not grasping the concepts as well as he or she might with a bit of clarification. There was nothing going on in this conversation between the two that falls into improper conversational exchange; in fact it followed a normal conversational exchange when the listener sincerely wishes to understand. 👍

[@odoggow8157]

a discussion about a study is not an interview u brainless fool

[@virengupta5810]

I understand that everyone wishes to see through the speaker's mindset and what is he actually trying to propose. I also think that interviewer's questions are imperative for urging clarifications, developing contradictions and for a better understanding. I agree, Tom should have been more composed like he always is in all his interviews. More power to both.

[@bravomarlon91]

I enjoyed the halt of the messages just because not everyone just nods and accepts what they hear.

[@CaptTony107]

Tom, thank you for being persistent in your interviews regarding clarifying a word/term or another linguistic item that needs specificity to fully understand what a guest is saying! As others have likely said, many of us are probably thinking the same! Great guest. Love the show 🤗

[@danniellenelson9446]

Excellent guest. I could see Tom struggling with some of the concepts but the dedication to learning is commendable and you (Tom) always stick with the ideas presented and seem to come away from the interaction better for it. Thank you for having Donald on your show. I especially liked how he found ways to translate the language of math into perceptible ideas that we can all relate to. The VR headset is a fantastic example. The fitness model! So fitting to describe the motivations behind our actions. And oh boy.... The fabric and nature of our reality, I eat this stuff for breakfast.

[@lindiwemtshali5034]

I might be wrong but I think Mr Hoffman just unpacked what spiritual gurus have been trying to explain re: true self and false self.

[@orvilleraposo7760]

But we must understand that even the false self is a fact/true/reality or to put it more appropriately virtual reality

[@spiritbao9444]

@@orvilleraposo7760 True, the true and false self are constructs of the headset. We've been at this for years trying solve the problem of perception using the very tool which is the cause of the problem. The headset will not allow us we will always find turtles all the way down. If by some chance one of us should be so lucky to see themselves and the world for what it realy is, I doubt they'll be able to articulate it. They'll go mad..! I think :)

[@kt9495]

Spiritbao Funny that I found your comment, like a needle in a haystack. I had never heard the term “turtles all the way down” until a couple hours ago, when Mark Manson said it in a video on self awareness. As someone who’s had many varied experiences I can’t explain, and neither can science, I nearly drove myself mad trying to understand them. From OBE’s with ET’s to feeling others at a distance physically via my “energy” body on a daily basis, (there is a form of telepathy that presents with this) to seeing past and future versions of myself and even hearing them speak to me; all of this in altered drug- free states, and much more...I paraphrase Terence McKenna paraphrasing J.B.S. Haldane: The universe is not only stranger than we suppose. It’s stranger than we can suppose.”

[@HolyGolyMoly]

Tom literally talked more than the guest, and 99% of his continuous and ceaseless interruptions served no purpose other than to prevent the Hoffman from being able to tell us about his theories. It was so enraging I actually had to stop watching and go find an interviewer who didn't entirely overtalk his guest. I recommend you drop taking the adderall before your shows. FOR CHRISTS SAKE LET YOUR GUEST FINISH A SINGLE SENTENCE.

[@beautifulinsideandout6303]

Lmao !!!!

[@es4666]

I completely agree.

[@etg1552]

Actually Tom had good foundations to question Donald.

[@projectanimatedstories876]

Yes I need to stop he is being very annoying

[@chrisodell188]

Completely. I came here to make this comment (to be helpful) and found others had already done so.

[@abdallahaddad620]

One of the greatest mysteries in my opinion is lucid dreaming. For me personally it was like "holy shit, It's another reality" So what's the base reality??

[@twistersidecontrol]

When I lucid dream (almost every night) it feels much more "real" than when I'm "awake " now I'm addicted to "dreaming "

[@abdallahaddad620]

@@twistersidecontrol almost every night? Wow... have you ever felt a pressure between eyebrows? (I felt that)... do you have a special routine?

[@twistersidecontrol]

There is no "routine" they grab my hand and tell me to come back saying there's more we want to show you

[@Kadosknight]

Does lucidity mean that you can influence what happens in a dream, or that you are aware of many details, but not always acting fully purposefully?

[@gregjackson4117]

This entire book is being written while under the influence of 2 grams of psilocybin mushrooms taken every six hours. I have been taking these mushrooms to treat cluster headaches that I developed when I was 20 years old. I tried every treatment method possible but mushrooms were the only thing that brought me relief. I believe the reason these mushrooms are giving me relief is because it kills the colonies of candida in our stomachs by outcompeting it on a cellular level. I have a theory that the yeast candida sets up colonies inside your stomach that attach to your nervous system and are able to influence mood, personality, intelligence and overall health. I believe that candida enters our system through the use of alcohol, particularly hard alcohol. When yeast produces alcohol it goes dormant, but it doesn’t die. When we consume candida it enters our stomachs where it is able to come back to life and set up mycelial networks in our stomachs that attach to our central nervous system. Our stomachs speak to our brains via the central nervous system and I believe candida sets up a mycelial network that takes over our central nervous system like a parasite. I believe this parasite is responsible for a range of negative emotions including depression, anger, jealousy, resentment, possessiveness, violence, the need for destruction, anxiety and every negative human emotion. It is primarily responsible for fear and skepticism which you are experiencing right now while reading this book. Hard alcohol is called spirits because ancient people realized that it contained an intelligence. The use of plant medicine was able to free peoples minds from the grip of hard alcohol. This knowledge was lost to time, but this is the the theory that I believe. I believe that candida can mutate cells and is responsible for cancer. The reason science hasn’t been able to detect candida poisoning is that our entire society is suffering from candida poisoning and it is clouding our judgment as a society. In addition I believe when we try to pull a single cell of candida out of our bodies it dies when exposed to oxygen. To study the entire colony of candida in our systems we need further understanding of the way our central nervous system functions. I believe with further investigation my theory will be proven correct. I would urge the entire scientific community and world to band together to be able to test this theory with the use of the scientific method and hard data. I believe the reason society is so afraid of psilocybin mushrooms is because candida is influencing our thoughts and telling us that it will kill the colonies of candida in our bodies. This is why mushrooms smell so bad and taste so bad. Candida is able to control our thoughts by attaching to neurons in our brains via a branched mycelial network. Our brains are a branched mycelial network and evolved from fungus. This is why our bodies are mostly foreign microorganisms. Intelligence stems from networks of communication and candida has its own intelligence. This is why it’s able to influence our thoughts, the parasitic fungus is using it’s intelligence to control our thoughts and perception of reality. I believe candida is responsible for many of the terrible concepts that have been thought up over the course of human existence such as religion, war, slavery, ownership, currency, economics, nuclear weapons, sexual taboos, marriage, country and racial divisions, racism and every negative concept that is destroying our planet and dividing our species. I believe that these terrible ideas were all thought up while in a drunken state. Alcohol is dissociative and I believe that when you are drunk candida is literally taking over your body. This is also the reason you black out when you drink, the candida has total control at that point. The intelligence behind candida is obviously malevolent and seems to be hell bent on destroying the planet. I believe as a society we are all collectively suffering from candida poisoning. The reason I am able to see this information is because of the psilocybin that I am consuming. Psilocybin mushrooms contain their own intelligence and it appears to be peaceful, serene and hell bent on saving the planet and our species from extinction. I believe Vladimir Putin is suffering from extreme candida poisoning and it is causing him to put events in motion events that will lead to nuclear annihilation and the end of life on this planet as we know it. I believe the psilocybin mushrooms I am eating are trying to save the world from extinction. I feel possessed while writing a book but I realize now that it is the intelligence of the psilocybin showing me the true nature of reality. The side effects of consuming psilocybin have given me clarity of thought and mind. They have also removed all negative emotions that I once possessed and I have never felt more peaceful and intelligent. I want to save the world and humanity from extinction but I now know my thoughts and actions are being driven by a mushroom that is trying to save society from an evil candida colony that is corrupting our minds, bodies and souls. I also meditate and I believe that it has given me the awareness to receive a message from the psilocybin that has given me answers to some fundamental questions about reality and the nature of life. I would ask the reader to please and kindly keep an open mind while reading this book. I would ask you to please abandoned your preconceived notions of social structures, morality, religion, sexuality, aliens, the origins of life, physics, drug policies, health and fitness, plant medicine, what happens when we die, fungus the fungal family and psilocybin mushrooms, war, poverty, economics, climate change, currency, blockchain technology, artificial intelligence, political structures, ownership, food production systems, psychology, love, consciousness, evolution, marriage and domestic partnerships. This book will cover all of these topics in detail and will hopefully usher in a new era of peace, love and harmony with nature. I know that many people will be skeptical of this theory but you should seriously ask yourself if that is that candida poisoning effecting your mind and judgement. It's ok to accept that we don't know everything. I accept that I don't know everything and am simply offering up theories that need to put to the test using the scientific method. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof and we need to collectively gather proof to test these theories.

[@bodozeidler9118]

If everything we perceive Is Unreal, why should Mathematica and logic be an exception

[@AtypicalPaul]

That's my biggest question to the theory too

[@clamarroan]

Right. Using concepts from within to explain a reality that doesn't exist annuls the premise. One would need to exit this dimension in order to observe it "objectively". Then again, once out, we might get to the realization that it's just not worth it. Oh no... I'm down the rabbit hole

[@rotorblade9508]

“...everything we perceive...”Because mathematics and logic don’t seem to be perceptions

[@AtypicalPaul]

@@rotorblade9508 is not one person's logic different from another's? Logic is also perceived and changes over time. My logical thinking is much different now than it was 10 years ago. Mathematics are an agreed upon perception we created over a thousand years ago. Look at the speed of light which isn't actually constant. We measure it against the metre then as the speed changes the metre measurement changes to keep the speed of light "constant" so the "logic" of mathematics here is lacking logic in my opinion as your measurement of one is altered by the other. It's circular measurements and isn't very logical however it makes things constant and makes the formulas uniform across the board. Logic is an illusion we do not truly know what logic is as we do not know what reality truly is. We can say that mathematics as it pertains to surface level or macro physical level is logical but once you get into quarks, spinners, light speed, things that are invisible to us we don't have the information to make logic out of that reality and our math breaks down.

[@AtypicalPaul]

@@gifmesome yes, however the study of logic is quite limited as it pertains to reality. It is only useful on the macro physical level of reality. It imo breaks down at the quantum level and certainly breaks down when getting into the fact that we can not see ultimate reality. Our senses do not allow for this and even our created instruments so far only extend our senses. We can not extend logic to something so unknown. This is of course my opinion and thinking and I can not prove it as we are discussing something so unknown.

[@saeede100]

Ask a question and let your guest answer.

[@GandalftheWise]

Don't blame him. He went to The Joe Rogan School of interviews.

[@american_cosmic]

Lol I went straight to the comments section to make sure I wasn't just being unfair... Jesus Christ! Hoffman couldn't finish a single thought!

[@GeorgetaBlanaru]

Congrats for this uplifting interview! Maybe Mr. Donald Hoffman need to read A Course in Miracle… He is right: we do not know nothing… these are just concepts, and yet he is on the edge because of his curiosity and asking questions that seems to go nowhere…. There is awareness without I! Each of us will go there! 🙏🕊💫

[@llkg9]

Just some random notes for myself... 2:30 Assertion that if natural selection is valid, our perception/description of reality isn't accurate/complete. How do we know this? 13:00 Those who passed on their genes were those who could focus on fitness payoffs (eg, food). This was demonstrated in a game in which the characters/players who were most successful were those who focused on fitness payoffs. These players bred and evolved over many generations to see what was most RELEVANT to their survival (fitness payoffs) rather than to be able to perceive all aspects of reality as it is.

[@CURV-LAB]

Man, this sounded really interesting but it was too hard to get through with this interviewer interrupting every 15 seconds. I wish I could just hear a Donald Hoffman monologue.

[@johannsteve]

"The Case Against Reality | Prof. Donald Hoffman on Conscious Agent Theory" This interview is much better.

[@odoggow8157]

but you would be evn more clueless than u already are

[@lucyduran305]

Agree!! He did a bad job 😔

[@paulaustinmurphy]

You would prefer that Donald Hoffman's speculative positions and overuse of the word "mathematics" were never questioned? That indeed happens with most other interviews. This is why Hoffman gets away with his philosophical speculation - because no one quizzes him on mathematics and how it ties in with his philosophical positions. This is the bottom line: mathematics is indeed used in evolutionary theory and game theory. However, does the mathematics demonstrate his positions on "conscious realism", "icons", "conscious agents", etc? No - these positions are over and above the mathematics. Thus the thesis that "reality is unreal" is NOT "proved" by Hoffman (as it states in the heading of the video) because proof is a mathematical and logical notion; whereas the statement "reality is false" is metaphysical (or philosophical).

[@dietermocnik344]

@@paulaustinmurphy I appreciate that you make some good logical arguments! We first have to understand how life started out before we research anything else! Let’s start first with the DNA of anything living!

[@Alan_H82]

*Reads comments, goes to find another interview with Donald Hoffman*

[@xmathmanx]

@@J-KEY just gonna click on your dumb bait and tell all my friends to do it too ;-)

[@ronnysingh4509]

@@J-KEY dumbooooooo

[@redtalks9094]

Totes

[@jupiterscreams]

The people watching ten minutes and leaving aren't appreciating the fact that the host is successfully making this accessible to people that don't have doctorates in the field.

[@rick15666]

BishopWraith I, for one, am wildly appreciative of exactly this. I didn’t find his interruptions too bothersome, I would have had to stop him to interject even more, just to be sure I was tracking what he was saying. I definitely need to watch this one a second time.

[@starbirthcalamity]

It was well-rounded the moment we questioned the relationship between our perception of the moon and the truth or what that perception represents. The mathemetics show that the probability that what we see is objective reality is 0. The interviewer suggests, with validity, that while the moon may not be reality- but what we see must represent something. Game theory suggests that strategies in a game determine how successful an organism can procreate or maintain its existence and that cheaters, within parameters of frequency, also benefit from the other strategies within the system. In terms of reality, there are strategies for propogation and by necessity, there are cheaters who benefit from those strategies. If we're talking about reality, it's fair to incorporate aspects within that reality as constituents of the systems we're describing, ie. atoms, natural forces, measurements, but specfically the physical "players" of the game aren't just "living" organisms- so the players that are following the rules of the game as their cooperative strategy are those physical fundamentals (particles, atoms, forces), and living organisms are the cheaters of those strategies in that all living organisms manipulate atoms, particles or forces for their propogation, ie. cells manipulate DNA, microogranisms manipulate cells, plants manipulate light, primates manipulate sticks, man manipulates gravity, light, and even the strategies of other organisms (flight, sports, pharmaceuticals and psychoative drugs) etc. Humans are unique in having not only developed an efficient way to cheat AND utilize the strategies of other rule-abiders, but also the perception of its role as a cheater and strategist. To the analogy, code and numbers and laws that give us computation for a computer screen are still players that ultimately serve as enhancers of what we use to cheat. We cheat by manipulating them to create computers. We create computers to create UIs, what we see on the surface to support our strategy of cheating for our benefit. It seems the confusion is the belief that the theory suggests that atoms, science, and what we know isn't true... but really that those things, no- what we define those things as, is a way to serve the conversion of reality to a form we can use to benefit our strategy to exist. Atoms aren't "not real", but they can be seen as a form of UI for the underlying reality. Game theory suggests that we "see" atoms so that we can cheat. We can now realize that we cheat, that perceiving the reality behind atoms AS atoms TO cheat, and that cheating and copying other strategies in a game is why we have reached our level of evolution. (I use atoms just as a generalization for all of those aspects of reality) What seems most clear is that is just a scientifically backed effort to use mathematics to authenticate the Buddha's "finger that points to the moon is not the moon". We, as a general rule, use the finger as a strategy to manipulate the moon for our benefit. Up until recently, we have focused on the finger as the truth and the means for understanding the moon. But the finger is not the moon, and now we're realizing that neither the moon nor the finger are the reality we're using them to exist in. Easy enough.

[@mirjamstrombergarts]

The possibilities of our existence and realm being scientific, evolutionary, virtual, simulated, energetic, physical, natural, real, spiritual, creational and divine are not mutually exclusive. I have personally experienced all of it💖🦋🌹🌟 Great talk thanks!

[@TheFirstCalled.60AD]

He hasn't interrupted him thus far but I'm already getting agitated waiting for it after reading the comments!! 😂

[@TheFirstCalled.60AD]

Perhaps your false is reality?

[@priestesspeaches9095]

@@TheFirstCalled.60AD 😆

[@dellawatson1669]

Same

[@genieunleashed5512]

@andrew 10 I agree. I perceived it more as a conversation than an interview with someone trying to understand. I have ADD, maybe Tom does as well. Do those of us that understand these so called ‘interruptions’ all experience attention deficit disorders and/or live with someone who does? 🤔😆

[@mallariculp3551]

You must be two minutes in when you wrote this

[@JenessaGrant4]

This is so far my favorite interviewee you've ever had on. For those who has a problem with Tom's interruptions, he is voicing what a lot of people will be thinking, it's not for nothing.

[@rayjay6769]

Very good point, Thank you for mentioning it!

[@mallariculp3551]

However, for those of us who are tracking, his interruptions destroy the content of the message. Ugh.

[@SML783]

Except for the parts where Donald was still explaining and Tom interrupted his trail of thought. And you can see how disruptive Tom was from how relaxed Donald was at first and then how quick talking he became later in the interview in anticipation of the interruptions. I love Tom but he could have done a better Job.

[@robertescobar535]

He is also trying to keep his guest honest by asking important questions that he his guest did not anticipate about the ideas he is attempting to advance and share, I really like the analogy of turtles as the all and all of what is underneath the earth, but the problem with this is, its not about what is undernearh whats inside it all the through to the other side if we are considering it as a sphere, another intresting idea is how does the world look when you are not looking at it, the simple answer even if the world does not require that you or anyone percieve it in order for it to exsist I would have to disagree because in order for the world to exsist for any one of us, it would require your consciouss perception of it.

[@ElaineWalker]

@2:06:00 A great example of self awareness with no “I” is a newborn baby who has opened their eyes and can hear and feel, but has yet to become self aware to the point that they can control their eye movement, deliberately focus on specific sounds, and control their arm movement. Eventually they discover their own toes (a very cute moment where they usually proceed to stick them into their mouth).

[@chulalaly]

Very interesting! Actually mind blowing but Tom should’ve let the expert finished his thoughts or made a program speaking of his own opinions on the matter. I am sure we missed a lot of info because of his interruptions.

[@genieunleashed5512]

Hahah I just realized who the interviewer reminds me of... Doug from ‘The Hangover’ 😆😆 Likely just his voice as I haven’t really be watching. I appreciate his rather ‘frequent questions’ as I have ADD and tend to suffer with the same problem deemed as ‘interrupting’. It is more so that I will not remember what to ask if I don’t ask immediately. He is truly trying to understand. For me, the majority of these concepts are completely new so I appreciate him asking questions I would never even think to ask. I also don’t think the man he is interviewing is bothered. I think he enjoys answering his questions. When someone is so highly knowledgeable on a given subject, they typically find it rewarding to have the ability to have an educated answer to such a wide variety of questions. Just my thoughts.

[@marce953]

Is like a Cloud in wich all minds are connected to one, but each one feels unique.

[@mbabcock111]

We're all variations of the same bowl of dry oatmeal flakes.

[@GBuaccc]

Cities on Earth are the equivalent of mold on bread

[@Kylemathews1]

@@GBuaccc ok joe rogan

[@Kylemathews1]

@@GBuaccc Cities on Earth are the equivalent of doo doo stains on your underpants

[@MisterMister5893]

Are you sure? A lot of the so called minds on the web or cloud all seems very like each other. Originality is few and far in between. Unique would not exactly be what I’d use to describe the collective consciousness on the web right now.

[@elaineandrepont]

One of the best explanations thus far. Enjoyed this interview and well versed enthusiasm, Tom!

[@crazyty9095]

I like that he asks the questions we all think about but in the best explainable way

[@futg6007]

"We have to remember that what we observe is not nature herself, but nature exposed to our method of questioning." - W. Heisenberg

[@Journeyofnow_]

One of my favorite quotes!!!!

[@billnorris1264]

I wouldn't be TOO proud of that quote friend.. Heisenberg is on a LONG list of very smart people who also can believe completely unsupported ideas.. Heisenberg's LIFELONG fascination with Eastern religions instilled in him a cognitive bias to LOOK for validating connections with QM... Sometimes he needed the persuasion of influential Taoist teachers to "See the light".. Fellow physicists of his time, LIKE today, find these ideas more a topic of curious amusement then serious insight.. Of course one can find dubious connections in ANY book of symbolism and parables, but ASSUMPTIVE knowledge is the antithesis of the scientific method and best LEFT to philosophers.. A humble opinion friend..Peace.

[@billnorris1264]

PS.. Most physicists today are scientific materialists, and DO think materialism correctly describes the way our cosmos works. GAPS in our knowledge must be filled, tweaks made, BUT the notion that theres some deep layer of truth LIKE the simulation Theory, or any OTHER unverifiable, fantastical claim is rubbish... NO credible evidence? Then the claim isn't credible.

[@lightspeedtheory]

Tom please man geezuz dude just guide the conversation and stop telling us how confused you are. Seriously you talk twice as much as he does and he's the expert in the subject matter. You were such a great interviewer but somehow you decided to dazzle us with your brilliance. Just please let your guests talk.

[@tovahromanov7414]

That’s why I can’t stand Oprah. She never let guests talk. It was me me me me and don’t you think I’m right. 🙄

[@chrisy1528]

heck Hoffman out here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYrTZourfL6kp7s Should have leads from there.

[@athenaemmanouilidis1291]

Oprah among others is not human

[@dosran5786]

why either way its bullshit coming out we dont live in a false reality ffs.

[@sam8404]

@@dosran5786 would love to see all your research proving that.

[@jenniferarnold-delgado3489]

This guy , Donald Hoffman , just nails it over and over -- my dad said " Time is natures way of keeping everything from happening all at once . " - He also had the ignotium per ignotius on a 3x5 card in his bible . But the best one was my son Alejandro , who is now a husband and father - but as a child , he had this picture of this little guy with a large rifle , standing in front of him is the body of a man who's head has just been blown off - and in between the both is a beautiful woman with a beautiful figure - and Alejandro says on the cartoon " Nature's way of saying " Don't Touch " " -- With that -- I offer you all to sit and contemplate nature for 10 minutes today .

[@JamieBarrington]

The one running my dog behind the headset is obsessed with cat poop. Just loves it. I don't understand why, because my perception is different, but I try to remember her umwelt works differently than mine and to her, it tastes really good. Seriously though, I love these interviews with Hoffman. He's so introspective. One of my favorite things to do is play video games while listening to his interviews in the background. The idea of consciousness and our place in this universe or simulation keeps me up at night. It's so much fun to think about.

[@Alatsoga]

It took me like 4hours to complete this interview.... pausing, reversing and just taking time to digest the knowledge nuggets. Thanks Tom, the questions were on point... this is deep D. Hoffman

[@bethwilliams5718]

Tom was deeply affected by what Hoffman was wrestling with in a way that I am deeply sympathetic with. Passionately caring about ideas and hitting the pause button when the agent is spun out by a curve ball is a sign of respect, a way of saying "you've lost me" or "I am lost" or asking "am I lost?" or asking "have you lost me?" is not disrespect, it is deep trust that Hoffman is wanting to be understood by Tom who is our surrogate in this interview. I've spent probably about 6 hours rewinding and regroking and have only watched maybe 2/3 of the interview so far. Tom's desire to understand is beautifully matched by Hoffman's desire to be understood. This passion for sharing the truth and the discovery of the truth (however limited the agencies interacting and becoming a larger agency and even includes us in a broader agency) is to me sacred ground. These men both expanded the heart of the universe as I know it. Many thanks. Old Beth

[@pvaz]

The interviewer keeps interrupting the guest mid explanation. He could take a few lessons from some well known podcasters.

[@igot5onit423]

He just needs some DMT and maybe a hot yoga session😏

[@pvaz]

@@igot5onit423 and some vitamin D to regulate his imune system and his stress levels.

[@2uneak]

Lex Fridman does the same thing!

[@dennismingus]

I can imagine that it is possible for us to be living in something like the Matrix (movie), because we are suppose to be in a time event of a distant past. Time travel is literally impossible, but it can be simulated. A true time travel event would include real life, with Spirits and Soul, only the Mind of Infinity can accomplish that aspect of real life included.

[@cpruns4501]

Does anyone know where I can find an interview with this amazing person so I can actually listen to him talk without being interrupted every time his thought process gets good? I don't think I have ever been more angry during an interview. If I was was this guest I would have gotten out of my chair and stormed off. Tom is, without question, the most disrespectful interviewer I have ever seen. But seriously though - I would love to listen to this guest if someone would let him talk.

[@BryanBarcelo]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYrTZourfL6kp7s

[@nathaniel4969]

@@BryanBarcelo kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZ7MloGHfZyEatk

[@matthewskillo5320]

Here's a link to a Ted Talk video where Hoffman presents a lecture (monologue), free from the annoyance of interruption. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYrTZourfL6kp7s

[@cherylfarino4442]

Lex Fridman interviewed him for about 2 hours.

[@spiralsun1]

It’s like he read my 2003 book “The Textbook of the Universe: the Genetic Ascent to God”. Maybe he did. I used to email him before his book came out and after that he just stopped. Unfortunately I moved to California partly to work with him. So sad. In my book, I cite Godels Incompleteness theorem, and have a chapter “Going beyond our evolutionary world view” where I show that space and time are constructed by the brain. People who know me and my thinking always say “the world needs to catch up” yeah. I left graduate school to write my theory and traveled the world to present it, but people ironically had little discernment to understand that I was getting at the answers. So I wrote the book. So many researchers in the last 20 years have made careers on small aspects of what I wrote, but there is a larger theory in there. The movie “The Matrix” was an uncanny synchronicity to my thinking. So is Donald Hoffman. I actually show what synchronicity is and I proposed a new introspective statistical methodology to show the patterns of synchronistic events in life at the University of Arizona, and approximately 4 years later, Gary Schwartz at the University of Arizona actually did the research and statistical analysis and ranking of synchronicity I proposed and predicted and found results more significant than most results in science. At like the .00000000000000000001 level (roughly showing what I mean, not the exact number). So my theory predicts. And it explains. And it unified. And it is information based. Why is no one listening? Because I never finished my degree-and people pay attention to credentials because they don’t think. I made an overestimate of how many people are like me and would recognize the explanatory and predictive power. -they are not thinkers like I am. A lot of them are not really after the best truth they can find about everything. They just want a career describing a piece of the puzzle. I am describing the picture on all the pieces when you put them together. I am increasingly realizing that nearly no one tries to see that aspect of reality. And now I am thinking that they can’t. Once in a while people really get part of the ideas. I met Jordan Peterson 20 years ago and he used a lot of my stuff in his classes. We hit it off immediately because he tries to see the big picture view on the pieces. I was one of the first people to read his awesome “Maps of Meaning” and he definitely gets that aspect of my thought. Also Francis Crick and I hit it off and both knew the importance of MEANING-which I take apart logically to show the flaws in our world view and assumptions. I definitely think beyond this reality and I have found it frustrating in the extreme that in the past people couldn’t see that. It’s changing now. Love Donald Hoffman. He gets this interface part and dives in better than most. None of these people can see the implications of their puzzle piece. It’s like they have blinders on. Tom, if you really want an interview, you should bring me on. 🤷‍♀️👍🏻 I will blow your mind. Seriously. If you want proof of what I say, I can email you a picture of Jordan Peterson and I meeting. Also, ironically I am transgender.

[@RobCopcutt]

No one listening has nothing to do with no degree. In Abraham Hicks language, you have a 'vibration' of no one listening, so that is what the universe delivers. Your book is too long and was written with that vibration. When I read Neal Walsch's 'Conversations with God' I was gripped by the first page and there was no question of me not finishing it - and recommending it. Another much shorter book might give you traction.

[@plainkady]

Have your own youtube channel and explain it all there. People will come and learn from your insights. You don't need to limit your teachings to an interview with Tom. Do what expands you and the rest will fall in. Just teach the world to wake up the many. Note that one Vedic scripture already talks about this and they define life as a set of 112 processes not as a religion, or science. It's all a big quantum life ancient knowledge that now we started to get a grasp of.

[@arcadiapeek6856]

I've noticed a large number of people in the comments claiming that Tom interrupts Hoffman too much and that doing that doesn't allow Hoffman to finish his thoughts. There are two problems with this 1) A large part of this perception is simply the fact that Hoffman replies to the person he's talking with frequently with "Right" or "mmhmm" or "yes" and very quickly-this is just one of his speech patterns that indicate he's following what the other person is saying. (I've talked to Hoffman in person, and it doesn't feel like he's constantly trying to talk and you're interrupting him when you also can see what his facial and body language is indicating--that he's merely following what you're saying after each sentence in your articulation) 2) It's critical that Tom stops Hoffman as Hoffman is explaining a concept because Hoffman's theory takes a great deal of understanding in terms of the individual components and important differences between what the theory entails and what intuitively makes sense. And the best part is that Hoffman most likely doesn't mind those interruptions--but rather encourages them! He's an educator as well as an intelligent scientist and it's important to him that the person he's talking to understands what he's talking about. Yes, his speech patterns might make it seem like Tom is interrupting him but what's actually occurring is this: Tom is communicating his interpretation of what he was just told by Hoffman back to Hoffman to make sure that he--and us, the viewers--truly understand what Hoffman just said. Conscious realism and the Interface Theory of Perception use analogies to contrast our interface with true reality and what makes this discussion so difficult is that the analogies that are used ARE and can only be from our interface in the first place! :) This is why it's important that Tom stops Hoffman to make sure that he truly understands what Hoffman is explaining, and if you're listening carefully enough, your intuition should probably be challenged to the point where you need to pause the video and make sure that you understand what is being communicated as well. - Cheers, I hope everyone has a great day!

[@rogershepherd7311]

Interesting conversation.Both men did great.Thank you both.I love myself!

[@KipIngram]

I do recognize that one of Tom's functions here is to try to bring things down to the average listener/watcher's level, but I think what bothers me about is that he doesn't even let Hoffman get a complete idea onto the table - it would be better if he'd do that, and then go back and systematically dissect it with a series of questions. The more frequent interruptions tend to cause the conversation to diverge in some cases, so by the time you reach a major topic change you're not even close to being on the same "page" you started that section out on. Also, it's CLEAR that it's not just an odd person or two tossing this "interruption accusation" - it's almost the only thing people are commenting on. EVERYONE saw it. I've seen Tom do this to other guests as well - I think it's just an aspect of his personality - he's a pushy, alpha kind of guy. Dan Cawley posted a comment where he used the phrase "learn to match someone's energy." I think that puts a pin in it really well. When I first ran across Tom I initially found him enjoyable, but now I rarely watch him anymore because of how common this behavior is.

[@meami5089]

I absolutely love this. I always found evolution to be fascinating. Natural selection is the conscious of the disconnect of reality. I made a comment years ago. When science and spirituality come together the world will truly end. This is based on when reality."mankind" denies the truth. We are not to understand the truth until we are all dead. For judgment will be upon us all. This guy helps me understand better. This guy is more desperate to learn this than I was to accept the answer that hit me like a light bulb turned on. When I sincerely gave some advice to a man I was working with. We should not worry about things we can not control. Scientist like this guy gives me absolute confidence that I was on the rite track. Talk about support for what said to the guy I was working with. This guy is awesome. I am self educated to my reality.👍 I want to see the math?

[@american_cosmic]

"Natural selection is the conscious of the disconnect of reality." - What do you mean by this?

[@DM100]

Fascinating discussion…thank you both!

[@70wolfnipplechips41]

I was 3 the first time I doubted the reality of this reality. The thought occurred to me that this may be a dream, being dreamed by someone other than myself. What a dream it's been.

[@matthensle9391]

Lol yep. I get that. I used to constantly sit in the back seat of my parents car utterly questioning reality as a kid. Zoning out into solipsistic thinking, even wondering if I said a thought out loud or not. I would get into these meditative almost trance-like states and I would swear life wasn't real. Life as an only child. Ha!

[@louisetaylor2131]

Before I was 10 years old I knew that ‘time’ could not be correct. I constantly battled with there being a beginning and an end which I thought wasn’t possible, I felt sure time as a concept was false.

[@markusaurelius7227]

Lol 😂

[@Mick0722MX]

@@louisetaylor2131 What do you mean by concept it's false? Time is nothing more than a measurement of motion.

[@louisetaylor2131]

@@Mick0722MX you do not know. We do not know. That is a good place to start.

[@JCGriffith]

Damn, I’ve listened to a few other DH interviews and this my favorite so far. I didn’t get the vibe Tom was being overly interruptive, many of his questions I found myself nodding along thinking “yeah I was wondering that myself" and got DH to describe his theory in contexts I hadn’t heard before. So thanks for that 👍

[@danielpaulson8838]

I concur

[@redneckmacgyverjohnny7476]

WOW WOW WOW this is so REAL { GOOD ON YOU} G.U.Y.S things happen for a REASON !

[@teepower3843]

The best way for me to wrap my head around this is using the 1st law/principle of Hermetic principles - The law of Mentalism. The law of Mentalism states "The All is Mind; the Universe is Mental. This means that mind or conciseness is the substance of the entire universe on all planes of existence, seen and unseen. So in this conversation the glasses are Universal Mind full potential and we are the VR in the glasses.

[@GiedriusMisiukas]

13:30 32:41 on science, reason, logic and precision 49:37 and 50:39 1:08:05 on: - Split brain with one half atheist and one half theist kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnetgaeMh9F8bJY - More detailed: - Belief and the Brain - neuroscientist V. S. Ramachandran kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5eThJWtrc9rjac - Excerpted from his presentation at the Beyond Belief 2006 conference. Original videos: - part 1: kzbin.info/www/bejne/raPRh5yan9OLiNE - part 2: kzbin.info/www/bejne/omOae4N7mKeEmbM It's so nice and inspiring to see dr. Donald Hoffman being such a humble, tactful, straight-minded and bright-minded person. See e.g. at 2:19:58.

[@miranonu]

Excellent interview, except the constant interruptions from Tom. A lot of what was discussed is described in the books of Carlos Castaneda.

[@liquidreality472]

The method of science, the aim of religion

[@Dharring14]

Completely agree

[@libertylane3896]

Lmao exactly

[@patreeshorkirila9518]

I can not grasp the idea because I have to listen that is in Tom’s mind. Tom, take a sip of water and keep it in your mouths until your interlocutor end the idea

[@freesmoke8088]

You interview him, you get to ask the questions. Perhaps Tom’s spreading awareness of the concept while trying to understand it himself, but probing is more often than not a tactic used by interviewers to prompt a deeper explanation specifically for the benefit of a wider range of viewers. Meanwhile, you’re receiving the information via a free KZbin video.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@gbennett58]

The best simulation would be one in which the participant is unaware he is in a simulation.

[@BloodySoup74]

That reminds me of the South Park episode with VR with the indian customer service guy. 🤣 🤣 🤣

[@ludakidboy]

Yes

[@jzaylia1]

I thought the exact same thing.

[@izman20]

Before we signed up for this simulation we understood we would not be aware of the simulation. I believe that was part of the draw. Life is somehow boring so we fell asleep into a simulation. Maybe to pass time...maybe to entertain us during cryo-sleep...

[@gbennett58]

@@izman20 That's the real question. Why would we put ourselves into a simulation like this? Something like "no pain no gain"? Next to wonder what the gain would be, if we are willing to go through so much pain to get it.

[@kylear2142]

the part about the caterpillar turning into a butterfly, relating to meditation was pretty interesting. the whole video was enlightening over all.

[@GilbertGryfud-mu3zi]

So the wide variety of consciousness is fades away for me often, and certainly on this issue of homelessness. I believe I see only opposites and certain opposites like right now the difference between having a home and the complexity of my situation becomes simplified by just seeing it as opposite at some point in time as I struggle with this and probably even after I do find a home, I will reach what I call Anagogy. And at some point these opposite states will shake hands and I will find peace and every theory or consciousness has goes pulling apart and then coming together in some kind of compromise which I called peace.

[@graceintheplace13]

Don’t ask if “there’s another way to say that” if you didn’t even allow him to finish his explanation the first time. Lay off the adderall, Tom. Still love you. 💕

[@ufodude1000]

LOL i was thinking that same thing.

[@cynthiacarlson4427]

I so agree! This is hard to listen to because of Tom's incessant interruptions. Hoffman's information would be much easier to understand were he allowed to give full, uninterrupted explanations.

[@linamarie84]

She said it for me too!! It really is frustrating. These things take time to explain. Sheesh

[@parisdevine8553]

🤣🤣🤣

[@ThePickleballShow_CurtisReese]

Agreed … as hard as you’ll try you won’t appear smarter than him in this field

[@galehawkins101]

Tom is light years ahead of me on me on this subject. I now understand he wasn't trying to hijack Dr. Hoffman's points but was just working to make sure he was clearly grasping Dr. Hoffman's thoughts. This is the kind program I need to rewatch weekly for the next year. Thanks Tom for your efforts to move us forward in our understanding of this subject.

[@funnymomemts790]

He is so much talkative, not a good listener, rarely allowed the guy to complete his points, shamelessly boasting how bad he is at maths, struggled again and again with Kurt Godel incompleteness theorem, foul mouthed indeed, very annoying, confused viewers about who is interviewing whom. I don't care what he understands or workout of Hoffman incomplete sentences interrupted by the so called thinking Tom.

[@EF_HUTTON]

Even the nick dude who started the simulation theory stuff ain't this good there is a guy that has several theories based on ancient cosmology that is very good but the scientific approach is more inviting

[@ericgoldin4600]

Thomas Campbell has answered the question of what drives consciousness in his book My Big Toe. Consciousness evolves its quality by lowering entropy (disorder) and creating order and complexity. The quality of a low entropy consciousness is love. So consciousness evolutionary drive is to become love. Consciousness cannot stay static so it must evolve or devolve in order to survive, it's an evolve or die system.

[@anneford1351]

Thanks, Tom, for this interesting interview. I think the "answer" to WHY all of these "consciousnesses" have infinite experiences might be that God (or "the one Consciousness" or "All there is" "Unity Consciousness" or whatever you want to call The ONE that includes everything) had to split to know itself. Being a singular unified consciousness, it could merely exist but it could never know itself; it was just pure awareness with no "other". Thus, all experiences are "the one" splitting to know itself in infinite ways...forever (since the "meeting and parting" possibilities are literally infinite). That includes everything in the phenomenal world: the bird on the branch, the wave hitting the shore, two people touching each other...everything that happens (or "seems" to happen). No two moments are the same, everything constantly changes so "God" can know itself in infinite ways.

[@Dan-lk6he]

This guy is a Genius ! He's just been describing God !!! Thank you Tolle and Watts and so many others ...

[@orvilleraposo7760]

I agree with you.

[@craigwillms61]

That's exactly the conclusion I kept coming back to. I was hearing some of the same concepts I hear my geeky pastor expand on. I'll have to get this video to my pastor, he would love it.

[@LynnS-gd8wq]

That’s what I was thinking.

[@jamesmckeown4045]

Absolutely outstanding, quite possibly the most cognitively demanding IT episode yet

[@AmandaLyonsMusic23]

Yeah. Very. To say the least. Lol.

[@1hundread948]

Agreed

[@funk-n-groovin6779]

the most, hard to say...epic for sure

[@brettstrickland864]

reticulating splines

[@esco466]

KZbin's Black Mirror

[@khalidrafiq1410]

To put it very plainly, it looks like now Hoffman is finally giving a model, language, and perspective to thousands of years old Eastern philosophy (Soul/Consciousness/Pure Awareness is fundamental, non-dimensional and irreducible) and to that state of Enlightenment where one perceives itself as unbounded Pure Awareness. It has always been extremely difficult (for Mystics, Sufis -of Sufi Tradition- and explorers of Consciousness) to explain a state of being that defies human experience, as we had no language to convey such a state of unified existence! But it looks like we are getting there... Imagine a society where the prevailing beliefs are somewhere in the ballpark of: 1) We are in a Simulation (one of many) to experience something very different than our true nature. (Almost opposite of our true nature!) 2) We are an Eternally ALIVE, Thriving and Abundant Being, experiencing a temporary simulation. There is no off-switch to us. Today, our beliefs are the opposite of the ones above and look where we are heading as a society. The meaningfulness and the value fulfilment of our true nature as Pure Awareness (with an eternal sense of Unity, Abundance and Cooperation) is truly appreciated and understood when contrasted against the experience of "every man for himself/ step on other's toes to get what you want /Competition (in a simulation). May be it's one of the reasons we enter a simulation! I think if Tom brings together Donald Hoffman, Brian Greene, William Buhlman, Richard Bandler, SadhGuru and Adyashanti in one session, he will find even more invaluable insights into what we really are and what we are capable of....

[@gorillafunk725]

Kudos to this dude. To push into the unknown to better perceive and get a grip on the known. That is so very limited by prisons of our very perceptions As demostrated by this interview. Interesting & cool when science dares to go to the edge & beyond.

[@iknowitall2546]

This interviewer has evolved to love the sound of his own voice! The scientist has the patience of a saint!

[@Israel_Vazquez]

The scientist is a moron who's trying to find a way to accept intelligent design without accepting theism.

[@repealsection230forbigtech4]

ROFL! AND you fell for the conjob of his guest. LOL! ROFL!

[@vgkstone9692]

@@repealsection230forbigtech4 who is the guest tho like how’s he a conman I have no clue about this guy

[@cnacma]

I didn’t watch the interview but you’re probably right. He looks like a qtip.

[@wantanamera]

@@Israel_Vazquez intelligent design does not require a creator

[@heyimgoingtoplaysomegames]

I wonder if Donald ever heard of the Erin Valenti case? She was a Silicon Valley entrepreneur who was found dead in her car under extremely mysterious circumstances, and, before being found, she had made calls to loved ones about how what we know of as reality is all a, “ thought experiment”, and, “we’re in the matrix!”. Pretty eerie and fascinating simultaneously.

[@debbY100]

Great comment. Her death really shook me, in regards to this theory and the concepts Donald talks about. There is no explanation for her death other than a shut down. Her autopsy showed no foul play, no drugs/alcohol…her husband is a psychiatrist and said Erin had no psychiatric disorders or breaks ever. Completely interesting. Thank you for bringing her up. Thought experiment. Wow. Just so much to think about.

[@WelshyPilotGuy]

Tom you really needed to let Hoffman speak longer without interruption. I get that you have questions but this interview became so dis-jointed with all your interruptions that something was lost for me. I went from really enjoying the submissions from Hoffman to just writing this at the half way point and now I’m moving on - All you had to do was listen and I’d have been hooked till the end.

[@SSunshine369]

2:12:47... Hey Tom... doing psychedelics is like taking a peak outside of the headset... And you'll come back. You'll remain all of you... just with a MUCH greater awareness.

[@parisatempest4565]

I believe these theories would explain why a person who has a stroke would change personality. My husband has had 11 strokes, and with each one has changed to another person.....the loss of memory of experiences....etc within the brain. So his Conscience Agents keep changing. In practical application, might this perhaps help those who have strokes and dementia? Sounds like it. Thank you for this interview, to you both, you have helped me understand better...what I already had observed with my headset. .....I realize that your questions are there to help the average person understand. Its a conversation, not a lecture. I prefer the conversation, as you gave it to us. TY

[@womanescence4931]

I didn't expect anything less from Tom but, Jesus Christ, he did ask fantastic questions! Thank you for another exceptional discovery!

[@fitzgoblin81]

I wish he would have let the Dr answer the questions a little longer before firing off the next questions.

[@spiralsun1]

Yeah, I noticed the AWESOME questions.

[@gaa4142]

We just have to accept time is not linear. Everything is present time. Our perception.

[@AWNWY972]

Hi Tom, After listening the hole talk, my 30 year of experience in Tibetan Buddhism (Kagyu& Nyingma tradition) same amount of Martial & Combat Art system. I understand the talk in the following way: Virtual Reality (VR) = illusory existence called Samsara The programs which they make interface colorful and functional and user friendly they are the basic teachings. As Buddhist perceives consciousness = with the conscious agent. Mind is part of conscious agent when we appear in the illusory realm of samsara in body with brain this illusory body’s brain Mind doing the work of super computers work by analyzing and making decisions by collecting data trough the 6 senses (perceiver) which they have 6 power or power fields and 6 objects. The headset = the view The headset as I understand is an interactive instrument through thinking, speaking and acting collect and accumulate experience which determine conscious agent. Enlightenment would be the state which is out of the box or headset. Buddhist consider this state over the three times and space even if it’s possible to be witnessed from prospective of Time& Space. Meditation is a method to cracking the system (our view & believe & bad-habitual system of the illusory world = samsara. What would be the method to crack the conscious agent to take down the headset step outside the box out of Space & Time? Might be an interesting field for Donald to checkout, two of the highest Buddhist Philosophical schools - Mahamadyamaka - Great Midle Way; - Chittamatra - Just Mind Often quantum physics followers interested on. I don’t know if what I write in the comment it’s understandable for you or for Donald, because may be needed some time & space to find each other’s common ground to discuss or talk this super interesting subject. Anyway for me it was a big “flash” or “aha” moment to listening this fascinating and interesting talk about this theory. Thank you for sharing this great interview.

[@zanetaleonidi4780]

you interrupt him way too much :( just let him talk, he's talking interesting stuff

[@cailllou25]

ditto!

[@alithejumbo]

Agree! He made me fucking angry!!

[@michaelrodriguez7202]

Truth

[@VitaBel_Nigel]

Yes, be quiet Tom. He is more interesting than you.

[@VitaBel_Nigel]

DITTO

[@frankvalle2864]

Man this interview is so filled with so many explanations of my thoughts that I couldn't articulate. I am so appreciative for this interview. Thank you so Donald. I just discovered you. I will follow your work and share . Ty

[@tac6044]

You are welcome.

[@kyleseanyoung9075]

Wow this really hurt my head, I cant believe I was so blind to something so obvious. My life will honestly never be the same again, we gotta find an answer to this or it's gonna bother me til the day I die.

[@Jamesthepilgrimjourney]

I think the only way to understand any of this is to watch it in small segments, take a break and think about it if your even able to comprehend and then dive in again but this is some deep, deep stuff. Absolutely mind bending. WOW!!!????!!!??!!?!!*😮🤪