Evolution of Wet/Dry/Wet: 80s, 90s, & Now

HIGH QUALITY AUDIO ALERT! Listen to isolated guitar stems with headphones if possible for the best results!
Wet/Dry/Wet is a term that gets thrown around a lot on KZbin, Instagram, and Facebook by established names and amateurs alike - without a complete understanding of the concept. In this video, you will learn the origins of Wet/Dry/Wet from the beginnings with Robert Bradshaw (Custom Audio Electronics) in the early 1980's through to the current day interpretations with sound examples to illustrate each era. You'll also hear the difference between the newer, re-appropriated interpretations of Wet/Dry/Wet (which is really a split system), versus a Wet/Dry/Wet signal path - allowing you to hear the difference and decide which set-up might be right for you and your rig.
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
Intro - 00:49
Wet/Dry/Wet Origins - 02:36
Bob Bradshaw Interview - 04:46
First wave Wet/Dry/Wet - 04:49
Second wave Wet/Dry/Wet - 08:46
Third & fourth wave Wet/Dry/Wet - 10:30
Wet/Dry/Wet prerequisites - 13:34
Wet/Dry/Wet vs. Split Mono (wet/wet + dry) - 14:24
Wet/Dry/Wet vs. Split Mono A/B sound test - 16:43
What you need to your own Wet/Dry/Wet rig - 17:51
Closing - 21:39
CONTRIBUTORS:
Hunter Harrison - Mixing, Audio Editing
Mason Mejia - Co-Producing
Kjetil Nesheim - Diagrams & Technical Consulting
TKM Brandt - Technical Consulting & Fact Check
Phawin Phanudom - Robert Bradshaw Footage
Rigs of the Pros - Photos
Michael James - Photos
Marty Walsh - Photos
Tim Marco - Music
#RigDoctor #WetDryWet #Pedalboards

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*HIGH QUALITY AUDIO ALERT!* Listen to isolated guitar stems with headphones if possible for the best possible results! Wet/Dry/Wet is a term that gets thrown around a lot on KZbin, Instagram, and Facebook by established names and amateurs alike - without a complete understanding of the concept. In this video, you will learn the origins of Wet/Dry/Wet from the beginnings with Robert Bradshaw (Custom Audio Electronics) in the early 1980's through to the current day interpretations with sound examples to illustrate each era. You'll also hear the difference between the newer, re-appropriated interpretations of Wet/Dry/Wet (which is really a split system), versus a Wet/Dry/Wet signal path - allowing you to hear the difference and decide which set-up might be right for you and your rig. TABLE OF CONTENTS Intro - 00:49 Wet/Dry/Wet Origins - 02:36 Bob Bradshaw Interview - 04:46 First wave Wet/Dry/Wet - 04:49 Second wave Wet/Dry/Wet - 08:46 Third & fourth wave Wet/Dry/Wet - 10:30 Wet/Dry/Wet prerequisites - 13:34 Wet/Dry/Wet vs. Split Mono (wet/wet + dry) - 14:24 Wet/Dry/Wet vs. Split Mono A/B sound test - 16:43 What you need to your own Wet/Dry/Wet rig - 17:51 Closing - 21:39

[@RJRonquillo]

I think I like the sounds of the 80s setup more, especially on Glory Of Love

[@VertexEffectsInc]

The Ronquillo Rack needs to be born!

[@RJRonquillo]

@@VertexEffectsInc let's make a rack but just put pedals in it.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@RJRonquillo #practical

[@andersonbranco58]

That tone is amazing

[@nickkellie]

I agree. Dan huff and Peter cetera are my dream band

[@emmettgros8535]

Jet Pedals has the Red Sea it eliminates almost all the other expensive switching/mixing options

[@petemoore8923]

There’s 22 people out there that disliked your video because they believe they know EVERYTHING but disliked it because you actually taught them something.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Sometimes that's the way the cookie crumbles.

[@cobowe]

Yea In Chinatown🤣

[@ileutur6863]

Projecting hard aren't we?

[@brettrossi89]

Wet dry wet sounds like my girlfriend

[@DreidMusicalX]

Don't go chasing waterfalls. Stick to the rivers and the lakes that you're used to.

[@Mickcotton]

I’m currently using a 94 5150 Amp w/ a 71 Marshall 4x12 & 2- Katana Mk2 50 Amps Left & Right just for their Power Amp Ability’s. I plug into a Boss EVH SDE 3000 Delay Box/ Pedal. Hook it all up & Its Massive ✅👍😎. I also purchased in 94 from Bob Bradshaw himself a Line Out Box. Thank YouSo Much from MickCotton BBQ on KZbin. Cheers 🥂 Los Angeles CA. 😊

[@jimshomestudio]

In the sound examples there is a distinct DI sound that isn’t included in the resulting rig builds. This studio sound is from having a very flexible routing system, where the signal is captured at various stages. The DI, the dry amp, and the effects outputs. A multi channel mixer is used and the producer can simply adjust any signal to taste. I hear DI, with some amp and definitely effects. Later in the 80s the DI sound fell out of favor. But it’s much more common right now for people who re-amp. They just rarely mix it in. The source chosen to feed the effects changed over time as demonstrated here. Some would feed DI into the effects and the result is distinct. Some would feed amp line out, and finally a speaker as source. Speaker as source sounds so natural and studio quality, in my opinion. It’s a dry amp’s speaker and resembles the studio engineer tracking audio and using these effects units to post process it. To me, that’s what I’m going for. The DI sound is specific to an era. Interesting, none the less.

[@RobMichael]

Thank you Mason for this clear well-made document of W/D/W history. I remember too well carrying all that shit around in the 80: Stereo Boogie racks-of-doom rigs...it was pretty silly. Thank goodness tech has kept stride w/ my willingness to haul heavy gear around.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

You’re very welcome! Looking forward to making some more videos on the topic and some simplified versions for Pedalboard applications

[@paulcrandall2534]

I know this is an older video, but I wanted to clarify something around 6:50. Bradshaw built many systems using the Palmer PDI-03 Speaker Simulators. It provided four "line-outs" and an "amp-thru". Those were extremely popular with W/D/W rigs because it loaded the amp with a proper inductive load or impedance(AC resistance) instead of a purely resistive load. There are so many ways to wire a W/D/W using the Palmer depending on the musician and their needs. Bradshaw is a pioneer who was way ahead of his time. He doesn't get the credit he deserves. He's a hell of a smart man and truly a nice guy to talk to. I called CAE years ago with some inquiries about a line-out box and general rack switching questions. Bob answered the phone personally and spent 20-30 minutes on the phone with me patiently answering questions....and I'm a nobody.

[@lazarus8750]

Thank you guy ! very interesting video !

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Our pleasure! Hope we earned your subscription!

[@jessedaly7847]

I think it’s important to have dry signal hit modulation (flanger, phaser, chorus, trem) so I’m using slave out to my loop switcher which is 6 stereo loops. On loop 1 my flanger, on loop 2 a wetter box containing a reverb and a 2nd wetter box containing 2 delays. I can control the mix per preset using a cooper fx expression generator and midi ccs to set one of the delay’s and the reverb’s mix, thus if only reverb and delay are on then they are all 100% wet, and if any other modulation is on then there’s a dry path through the delay reverb complex so that the immediate note is effected by the modulation. This gets a bit tricky around my stereo delta trem because essentially the “wet” effect here is just amplitude modulated dry. Loops 3-6 are all stereo; phaser, chorus, drive, tube trem. So I guess I’m leaning toward a pure setup but allowing the modulations to be in series with the all parallel delays/reverb. But another exception I’ll make is having amp reverb in the dry amp on some patches. There’s a chance that a bit of dry is preset in my phaser (mutron bi-phase) but I run it as wet as possible.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Cool! Thanks for sharing and watching!

[@jessedaly7847]

@@VertexEffectsInc It gets really wierd when thinking about a phrase looper. I had originally bought a boss rc5 to go at the end of the wet effects chain, but of course you won't have any dry there or at least it would defeat the purpose of isolating 100% wet time effects. So I came up with a solution which is also a compromise of sorts. I can instead of using a load box or slave out, go ahead and use the effects loop to send dry out to the wet section after an aby split, but before the split signal hits the return on the dry amp I am putting a 2nd boss rc5 which can be slaved to the rc5 on my floor board via trs midi. of course this means I actually have to use a tube stereo power amp with a similar sound to my dry amp, or I have to use a simulator and send xlr stereo di outs to house. I have elected to do both patchbay wise, I found a nice all analog amp sim with seperate pre, power and speaker sim sections, including a stereo return effects loop which I am going to use for the end of the wet effects chain after the rc5 wet looper. Bottom line my loops will also be (or at least be capable of) true wet dry wet, but at the cost of not being able to use a transformer tapped signal from the power amp in my dry amp.

[@jaycareaga9929]

Bradshaws racks had dry outs and wet outs much earlier around 1982. Just for studio players so the producers could chose between the players effected sound or effect the dry sound at their discretion

[@KDH]

Really informative video! I personally prefer the split amp set up for both ease of set up and tone. I like that the wet it's a little bit more in your face this way.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Not right or wrong way to do it if you like the tone. I just wanted to outline the distinctions for each and the tones associated. So glad you dig the video! I hope we earned your subscription!

[@kospandx]

Really liked this video! There are so many misconceptions about WDW rigs about, so I'm glad to see somebody clear them up in an easy-to-view package. One minor nitpicks: the first Soldano SLO-100 prototypes didn't arrive until 1987, and only started really gaining traction in 1989, so it definitely was not used in mid-80s rigs.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

King! Glad you dig it! This was actually a block diagram of EVH's rig in '87 as built by Robert Bradshaw. May have been a prototype of some kind or some transition between the X88 and SLO.

[@KanlydNorge]

Turned out great!! Cool to see my schematics in the video😎😎

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Best block diagrams in the business! Thank you Kjetil!

[@2beJT]

I love putting a mic on my dry tube combo, then adding some effects at the mixer through to some powered speakers. It sounds incredible even with just the included Yamaha effects but you can use pedals too.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Sounds great!

[@simply3141592654]

The EVH Balance tone is underrated

[@VertexEffectsInc]

yes!

[@simonlinser8286]

i didn't know i had to be rich to play electric guitar

[@danielmiller2886]

Only if you want to try to mimic the pro session players sounds. Otherwise keep it simple and have fun!

[@banjobones4190]

I ran a we-dry-wet set up for a while but decided that until I have a roady it is just too much work to set up, and given the sound at most shitholes I play in, it never really came through properly... but it does sound great at home

[@rombidaut1917]

love that period of Dann Huff when he was using that ultra cool Yellow Tyler

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Yes indeed!

[@verdean11]

What was interesting to me was really focusing on what I was hearing. On the Michael Jackson one, you can hear the dry guitar, now, for the rest of the effects, most people would just put everything on the wet signal, but you can hear the chorus guitar, and the clean delay guitar separately. Amazing layering.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Some great classic tones right there! We were lucky to get those tracks!

[@CampingTrev]

Uncle Mason, I need some help. I'm trying to figure out the right power combo for my board. I've got 10 pedals. I built a rig that I really like, I just can't get the power down right. I just want to plug in one cable and turn it all on. The big suckers are the H9, DD-500, MS-3, and HX-Stomp. I have several PSU's lying around, Power 2 plus, iso5, MXR DC Brick, and BBE Supa-charger. Ideally, I could make it work with some combo of this stuff, but I'm not opposed to parting with these and getting something that does what it needs to.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

It might be possible, but I think you have an easier time and it would be more efficient to get something like a Zuma

[@pwman]

Great video and wonderful explanation. Having heard the term over the decades, i did not really understand the concept, so this was great!! Thanks!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

So glad you found it useful! I hope we earn your subscription

[@braynerick]

It seems to me that the “wet” would be like a “return” bus on a console situation (studio). When i record and mix my guitars i duplicate the track so i can have one totally dry signal and other where i actually send the signal to a plugin o external device. This way you keep the integrity of the signal because you always gonna have the track without efx to come in to the mix if you want.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

yes! wet effects are "return only" in essence.

[@cobowe]

Best live guitar sound I ever heard was Brian May in 76-78 Just Guitar Trebleboost Phaser 3 way Splitter Stereo echoplex Vox echo Vox dry. Vox Echo Then 80’s Guitar Trebleboost Phase/chorus Splitter Digital Delay Echo. Dry chorus Echo It’s never been beaten

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Brian May had a great sound!

[@JensLarsen]

Great video on an interesting topic! I really don't like that 80s clean sound 😁 I guess that is taste and not the setup though. For gigging I don't even go with stereo 90% of the time

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Jens, thanks for watching. We can debate musical tastes, or the practicality of the set up - wet/dry/wet vs. stereo vs. mono. However, this is just about creating clarity on what the origins were and how to try it out if you're interested in doing so.

[@JensLarsen]

@@VertexEffectsInc certainly! Pat Metheny uses a wet dry wet setup, so I know it's not that. I was just surprised how little I liked those clean sounds, no criticism intended 🙂

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@JensLarsen again, not knowing your tastes, it would be hard to calibrate something that would be liked by all musically.

[@JensLarsen]

@@VertexEffectsInc I wasn't expecting you to. I just made an observation that was a side effect of watching the video, as I said in the previous comment it was no reflection on you or the video which I really like 🙂

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@JensLarsen what's a clean guitar tone that you like? Maybe I have a clip I can send you that's more your context?

[@JRNicholson27794]

Good video. I first heard of wet/dry from that pedal show and so I primarily associate the wet dry technique with how those guys would define it. I think this video is a really good history of wet/dry and helps us to understand how the technique began and developed over time. I'm not sure that the TPS guys are doing it 'wrong' I see it as an adaptation and furthering the technique, as you demonstrated it has changed over time so why can't their way be the next step in it's evolution? I see the TPS method (not that it's exclusively theirs) as a sort of hybrid between a straight stereo set up using 2 different amp for different flavours, and a more efficient approach to achieving wet dry with regards to what equipment you would need etc. There was obviously a huge sound difference between the 2 clips, and in this instance I preferred the 'true' wet dry sound, however I am assuming you didn't adjust the effects to better suit the TPS definition of wet dry? This would in some way make it sound worse than 'true' wet dry as I don't think many players using that method would run a 'wet' pedal at 100% mix apart from on specific occasions therefore to some extent the tones being compared are not actually that comparable... Anyway, still a great video! I'm sure there are more things that you and the TPS guys agree on than you disagree on so lets focus on those instead!

[@AdventuresinBackpacking]

Those are good points, James. I think Mason did a good job referencing how the TPS version of "dry / wet + dry" can also be thought of as really two mono signals being played at the same time. BTW - Like you, I like the TPS version best, because I have found that all amplifiers on their own shine in one particular area of the frequency spectrum. Yet, through the blending of different amps, I have really found a depth to my overall tone that I never had before. Thus, I think I would take the wet/dry rig system to another evolution further from Mason suggests here, and create a system that melds Mason's true definition of wet/dry to TPS's version. For example, I am currently running the TPS version of dry / dry + wet with wet effects going into a Fender Pro Junior IV, and my dirt, compression, and fuzz going into the Fender Pro Junior IV and a Fender '57 Champ. These amps aren't being pushed, and I am using pedals to get a diversity of tones that are big sounding and easy to record. The sound is really huge, and whenever I A/B to each amp independently, either clean or pushed with pedals, it's just not the same fullness of sound that I get when running them together. Anyways, based on this video I'm now thinking about buying two more Fender Pro Junior's to act as independent wet paths. Meaning, the dry sounds I am using will still have the fuller sound of the Pro Junior and '57 Champ running together with compression, dirt, and fuzz; while the wet sounds of my rig will be sent to two Fender Pro Juniors in stereo. I love guitar gear!

[@Gigirizzolihhhhyyy]

@@AdventuresinBackpacking seems interesting but i can' t get It. Do u use 4 Amos?

[@nickkellie]

So cool hearing Dan huffs parts to glory of love - one of my fave tracks from a fave singer Peter cetera. How can I get these parts!? So nice

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Email me and I'll try to dig it up again, [e-mail]

[@vgmoulin]

Wow, thank you ! Best explanation i`ve seen by far. Great Job !

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Glad it was helpful!

[@ondrejholiencin8555]

Great job! Young guitarists are discovering the superior technology of yesteryear:-) Finally, someone who understands that the "normal amp" doesn't magically become "wet" just because you added another amp earlier in the chain. I'd also add (hope it didn't miss it in the video) that with the cab sims, IR loaders and modellers (even the HX Effects) you can add the IR or speaker simulation before the wet FX and run into PA or FRFR for the wet side. This mimics the dry amp being mic'd as you can see in Larry Carlton's rig or the 90's Landau mentioned above. For a lot of people who want to try W/D/W using two PA speakers or monitors could be more accessible than additional two guitar amps. It's easier to manage with the quiet stages and arguably it sounds better too as the fx fidelity is not compromised by the inferior guitar speaker. While I have a 15U W/D/W rack loaded with a couple of Lexicons, Eventide, SPX900, TC1210 etc routed by Sound Sculpture Switchblade I travel with Synergy Syn-1 running XLR into Boss SE-70 in a tiny half-rack setup. Syn-1 output can run into any amp return for the DRY and SE-70 can run into two guitar amp returns or PA for wet. I then switch the cab sim on/off on the Syn-1 based on what it's plugged into. It's somewhat cheap, sounds great and is more compact than most pedalboards.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thanks for watching! I hope we earned your subscription! Yes, good point on the powered monitors. I'm doing a wet/dry/wet rundown of my own pedalboard soon, and this is going to be one of the possible set ups that I will use using the Line 6 powered monitors - but really any monitors would do. The Synergy is a cool product, hope it catches on more with players. The idea is great!

[@ondrejholiencin8555]

Vertex Effects yes you did! Ironically the first time I heard about you was from Landau but that’s water under the bridge now.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@ondrejholiencin8555 from the rigs I was building for Landau?

[@luisalextorres]

love the EJ hot licks in the end! that dvd/VHS is fucking legendary! my favorite SSS player

[@VertexEffectsInc]

The best! My favorite era EJ tone!

[@MrQueueBall]

My wet/dry/wet goes like this: Hx Stomp using the Marshall 800 Loop set as send with One side going to output from my board One side going to Strymon Mobius The main outputs are One goes to Strymon Timeline One goes to Strymon Bigsky The three Strymons go to an Art PowerMIX III The stereo outputs from that goes to two outputs from my board The three outputs from the board connect to three Boss Katanas using the power amp in Bam!! Wet/Dry/Wet baby! All on a pedalboard.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Cool!

[@senterpoint]

Wow! That was inspirational. I have a pair of matching SS amps and a Blues Jr. I'm going to try the splitter method Thanks, I'm a sub now and I Getting merchandize.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Experiment, and have fun!

[@patreidcocolditzcastle632]

ive been running a wet dry wet system since 88 and you covered this topic really well.may suggest hte radial line mixer and aby pedal.for these systems they are perfect.phase flip ground lift etc . i used to dream of boxs like radail make nowadays back in the days.

[@franciscopacobarreras9270]

Hi Mason! Nice video! I run wet/dry/wet, have been for many years. Like you said, the whole concept has been a bit bastardized. In my setup I use a my analog mod effects such as Phase 90, and Flanger before the main amp, then it goes to my David Bray Amps made, Bray 4550, for those that don’t know Bray, it’s a plexi style amp and it sounds incredible, I suggest check him out. From the Bray it goes to a Bray LO-1 which is a line out box like the Suhr you showed, then it gets fed into the Bray, and my parallel mixer, made for me by Saturnworks, it sends two loops to 2 Eventide H9s that are fully wet, one with Pitch shift, the other with dual delays (360/720 my personal preference) they go back into the parallel mixer and get mixed with the dry, then that wet signal gets fed to my Matrix GT800 out to the Left/Right wet 4/12 cabs. He central 4/12 cab got fed with the original dry signal from the Bray through the LO box for 3, 4/12 cabinets in wet/dry/wet configuration! It sounds glorious.🤘🏼 It can be seen in my channel, I’m going to make a video of my rig soon as this pandemic is over.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

I bet, sounds amazing. Can you tell me on the Bray LO-1, does it have galvanic isolation like the Suhr? I couldn't tell from his description.

[@franciscopacobarreras9270]

Vertex Effects I believe all it has is a ground lift.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@franciscopacobarreras9270 you can have a ground lift without a transformer, just wondering if you've seen inside. I haven't had a chance to try one yet. The transformer isn't always needed, but nice to have when you do.

[@franciscopacobarreras9270]

Vertex Effects oh I have seen inside, I just dont have a clue as to what I’m looking at lol

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@franciscopacobarreras9270 see if there is a transformer.

[@perudolux]

Well, nice video, but I think you missed a point: you comparison at the end is not fair because you compare a left center right mix to a left/ right mix where a dry sound is on one side and the wet on the other side. Try, the last setup, but with 3 amps recorded and panned accordingly and you will have a very pleasant result almost like the original wet dry wet setup

[@VertexEffectsInc]

What is shown in the model is what was recorded. I’d argue this is a case for why doing it properly will have a more advantageous result in a studio or life context. In the room you can make some adjustments to make this acoustically sound closer based on the positioning of the wet + dry cabinet versus dry only. Close mic’d that goes away. If you did a stereo output to two wet + dry cabinets you still wouldn’t be able to acoustically mix them the same way that you could 100% wet cabinets or like you would in ProTools for example with plug ins (which is basically what w/d/w is doing in your rack).

[@schlapbe]

well researched and superbly explained! Thank you!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Glad it was helpful!

[@svveets00]

Question here, let’s say if I’m running the splitter method, but after the split to the dry amp, I use a kill dry pedal first then only connects all my wet pedals, and output to stereo. Will it be wet/dry/wet since my wet output shouldn’t have any dry signal (kill dry)?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

No. You’d have to have pedals that would all be 100% wet, and in a parallel mixer. Also you’d be running it in front of another preamp and not off the output transformer padded down to line level.

[@jaycole4691]

Nice video I never thought of it this way. I am running 2 studio silver jubilees wet in stereo through the effects loop and a mark v35 dry both ran into a radial twin city aby. What would this be considered?

[@liamMaru]

I've been building my dream wet/dry/wet recording rig for the past few months and the greatest challenge has been routing and buffering (you know, the fun stuff!). My advice is simple: have a clear goal in mind. Don't spend any money until you're 100% sure you know what you want. You *will* need custom cables, so plan your physical layout very carefully. Is the juice worth the squeeze? For me, absolutely. But, it's a matter of preference and, it's a hell of a commitment. I knew what I was in for going into this. FWIW, my rig provides 4 outputs: clean, dry, and a toggle between stereo (wet + dry) and stereo (wet/wet).

[@maxxkarma]

Much ado about nothing. Don’t care how you plug it, as long as it sounds good. But thanks for explaining it.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

As is any rig

[@DavidMorisset]

Buy more amps and then tones can become multi dimensional.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@DavidMorisset that can be cool too!

[@herbertbeckmann7391]

Dear Malcom, very interesting episode. I play wet-very-wet, since I am constructing my Pedalboard for LIVE and Recording I am using a MusciomLab EFX-LE for a Wet-DRY-WET+Dry It has three outputs ISO, L and R and a built-IN splitter including a phase invert knob for the ISO out, which feeds the dry amp, which is set to close before breakup. You can place the ISO OUT at ether point of the Chain, so you can have a wet-dry-wet or a wet-dry-wet+dry setup. For me I found the second version more suitable… The L and R Outputs are Connected to a Helix X-Stomp, where I can Dial in a suitable power amp with or without cabsim… to feed either a Stereo amp setup on the stage, go right int the mixer, to have the wet channels on the FOH, directly into my interface in the studio by using the ampsims of the Helix or, when I just need a Wet-Dry setup, pulling one of the stereo cables out f the pachtbox at the end of my chain. The patchbox is designed to merge the stereo-signals to mono in that case. So I have all the options in on case. This year MuscomLab will launch an upgrade of its fantastic loopswitcher, i deeply recommend, because it has all you need for that… 2 buffers, phase-invertable iso out and flexibel routing. Greets from Hamburg.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Herbert sounds cool, I know the unit, I don't completely see how it's w/d/w, but I'm sure it sounds great. I have a Musicom as well - they're great.

[@herbertbeckmann7391]

@@VertexEffectsInc you can split, wjhereever yu want. You can root the ISO UT before or after the volume loop, then you can choose in which order the loops will go. I split usually before the time based effects. The wet signal then goes out to L and R. In the manual it is shown on the last page.

[@dotpk1382]

Wow! I was NOT expecting that big a sonic difference! Great video, excellent research and simple explanation. Thanks Uncle Mason!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

🥳🥳🥳 my pleasure ! I hope we earned your subscription

[@dotpk1382]

Vertex Effects Absolutely. Long time subscriber and fan (and Vertex customer)!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Paul Kroger Jr 🙏🙏🙏

[@GuitarTonePro]

I'm a big fan of the Wet / Damp setup using 2 different amps. You get some of the great advantages of pairing two different amps together, with the "dry" effects coming through both amps, and the time/modulation effects coming through only one amp except just a bit of Stereo Reverb coming through both to tie it all together.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

That sounds cool!!

[@paulmayerpiano]

Sweet that the studio guitarists and "guitarists' guitarists" are getting some love here. Michael Landau is awesome - creative player with great ideas and chops. Not too many non-guitarists know him by name, but they should!

[@dekrev]

I run 2 amps - orange rockerverb and a Vox AC30C2X - i was initially going for a wet/dry using an amp detonator/splitter with dry to the orange and wet to the Vox - but now I use the EHX Tri parallel mixer to the splitter then both amps in stereo. The two amps sound killer to me as a left/right - the orange is dirty and the Vox keeps the highs. I liked the wet/dry setup but every venue took some tweaking to get right - now I just set my mix at rehearsal and I’m good to go for anywhere. Wet/dry/wet just seems like overkill for the small bars we’re playing - lack of stage space and setup times / packing in / packing out but our outdoor shows would be killer wet/dry/wet - might have to get another Vox and try it out

[@braynerick]

There is something that i don’t get it. For ex. Landau rig which is two cabinets with “wet only”. If the guitar signal is coming from a suhr line out and feeding the Lexicon and then the output of the lexicon is going to the power amp and then to the cabinet, this doesn’t sound to me like the “return” concept of a mixer, which literally you have just the wet (return) signal. Basically you’re sending the guitar signal to and efx unit then to the cabinet. For me this sounds like a series, not parallel. Even if you set on the lexicon to 100% mix internally, you will have the guitar together with it. I can be wrong but for me the “wet” signal comes from a return bus, which the 80’s rig refelect that studio concept better. It’s confusing anyways! Ahah thanks for the videos love it!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Rick, in the Landau 100% wet example, it's the Mic on the dry amp that feeds a mic pre, that feeds the input of the Lexicon MPX-1, that feeds the stereo power amp and then the wet L and R cabinets. It's is just like a mix bus (return only) approach with the feed to the rack coming off the mic'd dry amplifier.

[@braynerick]

@@VertexEffectsInc Thank you!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@braynerick our pleasure!

[@mikefleming1047]

i'm sticking with my 2 vox ac amps in a Stereo rig : ) it's just easy and sounds great!!!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

If you watch the video all the way through that is basically what they were trying to do - they just didn’t have pedals to do it like have now.

[@BillyRogan]

Curious if this is possible with a guitar amp that has a “line out” on the back, like the newer fender twins, while using another amp with an effects loop? I gotta figure this out and make this happen

[@hoboroadie4623]

I don't call it wet-dry or anything, it's not quite like one of those. It's a Chorale Group. After I get another couple Boss PN-2s, it's going to dance like James Brown's old band, as well.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Nice!

[@bwalt5931]

Dann is one of the best. How do I get a smooth overdriven sound like DH, ML? I have MXR EVH 5150, WayHuge Geisha drive, Red Seven lil wave (awesome tri sound) Boss CS3, Hardwire DD, Boss DD. Can you suggest a good compressor that won’t break the bank? Thanks Bart

[@VertexEffectsInc]

I like the Suhr Riot and Eclipse for these tones. I also like the DBX style Keeley Compressor (the 1590B size that's black with red text), or the MXR Studio compressor.

[@KKMcK1]

I believe a lot of people, when they think of wet/dry/wet, they are thinking of pink floyd or other 'ambient' artists. I am beginning to think of it as more Mid/Side. I think of EVH and the way he used wet/dry/wet to fatten his sound rather than go overboard, and this is what I am pursuing. Not that I want to sound at all like EVH, or anyone else for that matter. This is why I asked you about that splitter a week or so ago. Using a pedal platform amp, I can come out of the preamp and send that signal to an H9000R before returning it to a stereo amp and its two cabinets. Meanwhile, the main amp is playing and sounding hard ('Mid' - tones and textures) while the effects are gently making that sound bigger ('Sides' - effectual support that does not override the core sound). So, what I want is the Suhr box on steroids. Of course, being a fan of RJM . . . maybe they could just custom make what I need/want. But then again, doesn't the effects Gizmo and Switchblade do exactly this? I feel I am getting closer to figuring this all out now. I'm glad I found this video. Thank you!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

RJM I don't think made a line out box, but they did have a Mini Mixer at one time that could be paired with their switcher to do the input muting on the wet effects.

[@trevorwesterdahl6245]

I have the RJM Mastermind GT 16 pedal board for my Axe FX III and their effects gizmo. Sweet combo! If you cant get what you want from it, figure out why you don't know what you are doing with it. That foot pedal is KING! Bright multi-line center display and multi-line colored display for every foot switch. Can link to anything MIDI and it downloads every change made in Axe Edit with one easy click. You can literally have an endless list of pedal boards all pre-configured. Not happy with Axe FX III for particular effect, just connect the real pedal/equipment. During live JAM, you can have the full pedal board as though you are EVH, then in one click can switch to Boston, then more one click switch to whatever setup you want. For me, it took a few days to get the setup. Once you get it, its so easy. The MIDI stuff can be tricky. If you need a specific MIDI code sent on a specific song at specific timings (I.e. send MIDI code for key to auto-tune software during chorus), then, yes, you have to spend some time doing that. Most people don't need anything like that, but you can. I have a VoiceLive 3 and if you want a background singer's mic to sound like a chorus of five singers (al la Pink Floyd) you can. Want to know what I am talking about with respect to auto-tine/voice effects and MIDI timing... watch this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hpTWhWB3baimeKM. That is a voice live 2, not as good as voice live 3, but close. Funny how that video started me buying everything I have. Wanted to have a karaoke setup that made regular people sound good (it does). Got me interested in guitar again, then sent me down a path of a lot of fun. Do nothing professional, just have fun with it all.

[@2903jojo]

One of the first innovators was Brian May, Brighton Rock 3 AC30's wet/dry/wet for the delays, dry then 750m's right 1500m's left creating harmonies with it

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Where do you see information on this?

[@2903jojo]

@@VertexEffectsInc its well known, he even details it in his old star licks video

[@2903jojo]

Also the reason he always had 3 stacks of 3 AC30's

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@2903jojo I think in those videos weren't the amps just split? Not in parallel, it also didn't use the power amp separately from the preamps, I don't think there was any load on the dry amp or line out used. No really the same thing as wet/dry/wet.

[@2903jojo]

Center amp was and is always dry no effects, not sure how back in the 70's he did it, but it would of been Pete Cornish system, as its important to him that nothing interfered with the center amp

[@brettwood1091]

Always something to learn from ur vids mate. Appreciate the effort you go to to be clear and informative

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Glad to help

[@ap7498]

Thank you for the time and effort putting this together!! When you put the audio together for the demonstration, the “split” version had more of the delay repeats present. Couldn’t you adjust those to make them less pronounced or even less repeats? To make the two demos more close.....thanks again!!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

1) you're welcome, I thought it would be fun to show the arc of the Wet/Dry/Wet idea. 2) Both are the same exact signal path, same parameters only the delay and reverb aren't kill dry, and serial, not parallel. Same number of repeats. The guitar was re-amped through both systems, all dry pedals the same, all wet settings the same in the HX effects. One of the benefits to a true wet/dry/wet system is you can make it much wetter without the delays becoming overpowering because you can acoustically mix the amount of the 100% wet effect you want in parallel with the dry cabinet. This isn't possible with the split system in the way that people are calling "wet/dry". I think what you've pointed out illustrates this trade off. Conversely, in the room, I would say this is less pronounced. When it's close mic'd however, and the amps are doing two different things sonically on the L (dry) and Right (dry and wet) it certainly doesn't sound as balanced. My suggestion is to do the test yourself with your gear and see what you prefer. If you need more pointers on materials other than what I spoke of here, please feel free to email me.

[@ap7498]

Very informative and helpful. Thanks again! 🙏

[@VertexEffectsInc]

👍👍👍

[@samxulumte9648]

"the juice is worth the squeeze" lol

[@VertexEffectsInc]

hahahahaha

[@KanlydNorge]

I hope everybody understood from the video and the diagrams that a W/D/W system in 90% of the time is a regular stereo system with an added dry cab in the middle. You have dry signal in all three cabs. That way you can have the interaction between the effects some people ask about. Some guys like Steen Skrydstrup runs all units in parallel and only effects in wet cabs. Landau for live used only reverb/delays in parallel for his W/D/W. In studio he used his big stereo rack system feed by a mic pre for recording. Then you record the dry of the mic and a stereo track from the rack, and you have W/D/W. The benefits of running a system like this in a studio is that you can rebalance the level of effects in the mix, or remove them all together. Live you can control the mix of effects in the PA without changing levels on stage.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Perfectly said 👌

[@andreabonomini9580]

Hi Mason, great video! I'm using a Fryette PS-100 as power amp for different vintage heads. Do you think that I can set up a W/D rig just sending the signal from the PS-100 Line Out jack to an effects processor and then in to a cabinet? Would it sound good? Cheers!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

I would skip the cabinet and just to right into your mixer with it, especially if you can go balanced out of your processor.

[@andreabonomini9580]

@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks for the advice! Keep it up making awesome videos! Cheers

[@rektagon1547]

Makes me think of an early Ampeg amp the B-12-X / B-12-XY / B-12-XT (there were a few different models) which had a spring reverb that went to a separate horn speaker in the cab. It also had an output on the back for a satellite speaker that was the wet-only spring reverb. Sounded glorious especially when you put the two speakers on opposite ends of the room!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

I bet!

[@WillemdaGuide]

I run w/d/w with a line out to a rack fx but that wet out into two powered monitors. Works great, no guitar power amps or speaker cabs required.

[@KKMcK1]

When I say H9000R, people say, "That's $5K!!!" and I point out to them that buying the full set of Strymon is also $5K. I'd rather have it in one box in a rack instead of 12 pedals. Still need the Chase Bliss preamp, etc., before the Hiwatt. I just wish the Hiwatt had the back panel connectivity that the EVH 5150III has. Brilliant amp design! I just don't need nor want any high-gain. I love midrange saturation but hate high frequency distortion. No low-wattage speakers for me.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Sounds good...the H3000 is still a classic!

[@trevorwesterdahl6245]

I use the Axe FX III, almost no amp, cab, or effect you cant get/mimic from it... the reason I bought it. Is it perfect... no. I've also learned that people using all the original amps, cabs, and effects, don't get it perfect either. There are options. Some much less expensive than others.

[@gurtana]

Wow, where did yo find that isolated Bad track ? And what song is that supposed to be on the Bad album? 9:54

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Man In the Mirror? I Just Can't Stop Loving You?

[@gurtana]

@@VertexEffectsInc well, I've listened to the Bad album all my life and I would never have guessed that! Goes to show how subtle things can be hidden in a final mix!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@gurtana heck ya, those tracks are magic

[@paulcowart3174]

That signal blender looks interesting I have a Radial Switch Bone that I'm incorporating in a 3 combo rig I'm working on Great demo Mason OK what about an expression pedal that ramps in the modulation so you can have slight mod or full out mod For most of my rythmm tones I like a tiny bit of wet where as for most solo work I like more How would you incorporate the exp pedal for something like that Thanks Unc ☺️

[@VertexEffectsInc]

I suppose if you have a EXP option for your mod pedals to control mix you could do that, but wouldn't really be a part of the wet/dry thing.

[@xerodelacroix5552]

Aaaaand unsurprisingly the cheaper/easier way sounds better, imo.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Sweet

[@guitartonetopia]

When recorded.. some of these setups will actually sound the same A mono guitar panned down the middle will sound the same as a mono guitar split and then panned hard left and hard right I didn’t realise until I tried it.

[@Kairuofficial]

Great vid man! Started running a Wet/Dry/Wet rig and it was pretty easy doing it with a Tech 21 PSA 1->Stereo IR pedal in back of rack with one out going into->Digitech GSP 2120 and then 3 D.I. box signals. At a gig recently was crazy fun hearing those wacky Digitech fx hard panned and totally wet!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Rock on!

[@timojurvelin]

Rumor has it those 80's clean tones were often straight into console without any amp or speaker miking to get that wide open frequency response. Any insight how this was actually done with the rack?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

some of the bone clean stuff, funk lines, R&B were definitely direct, with a compressor and mic pre. Typically a DBX160, 1176, or LA2A. The big texture stuff, and wet/dry/wet rigs used a pretty common grouping of amps and preamps + poweramps: Soldano X88, CAE SE 3+, Soldano SLO, Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+ to name a few.

[@RamonOrtizguitar]

great video ,very interesting topic.First time I learn about the wet dry wet sound history.To my ears the wet dry wet sample at the end sounds best to me.Almost like it lets the actual tone of the guitar be heard more prominently.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thanks Ramon! Appreciate you watching and for the comment! Hope we earned your subscription!

[@Dr.Jekyll]

Great job explaining things. He hit is niche with these explanatory videos.

[@jamescopello]

Really great video super helpful! Question for you I am trying to build a W/D/W rig using 1 tube amp + Boss Waza Tube Amp Expander. The signal flow I was thinking was below. Is there anything wrong with my thought process? The thing that is throwing me off is the attenuation/volume control of the Waza Expander, I don’t know if that overcomplicates things, but I want to be able to control the room volume using it while being able to push the amp. Dry signal - Guitar > Amp > Waza Expander > speaker cab Wet Signal - R/L Line Out of Waza Expander > stereo effects > power amp > 2 speaker cabinets

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Use the line out of the Waza I mono to feed your stereo wet effects that feed your power amp and your wet cabinets.

[@Thrice_Greatest]

IMHO: With the setup you created, I prefer Wet/Dry/Wet.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

It's the sound!

[@EXMORr]

WOW That's So Much More Complicated Then I Thought it Would Be , I Thought Wet Dry Wet Was 3 Amps Set With Your Tone With Stereo Effects Being Sent To The Right And Left Amps With The Center Amp as is With Your Basic Tone !! No Wonder Many Guitar Players End Up Switching Back To Stereo and Mono Set-ups and Have Everything Done at The Board !! That May Sound Awesome , but Set-up Has Got To Be a Be-ouch !!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thanks for watching, hope we earned your subscription.

[@PeterPug]

Great informative video Mason...you're a veritable treasure trove of information! Thanks! Listened with headphones and seems like the W/D/W has the most clarity...kind of like a Dolby 3.0 Home Theater ! :)

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thank you so much for watching! I hope we've earned your subscription!

[@donaldg0613]

Ok now. That was an excellent video. Very informative. I had no idea how involved those rigs were back in the day when I was growing up. I also like that you gave TPS recognition for what they preach and the diagram you used. I use the wet/dry rig as explained on TPS. I run my vibe and OD before my tuner then go from the tuner into a Lehle A/B/Y. One path goes through a rack mount BBE Sonic Maximizer to my Fender Michael Landau Sig amp and the other path with modulation/delay/reverb goes to the other side of the Sonic Max then to an AC15 then to my volume pedal so I can blend in the volume of my “wet” amp. I really love the way it sounds doing it this way. So what do you call the TPS version? Moist/dry? Thanks for sending the link for this video in response to my comment. I think I’ll subscribe.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Donald, I glad you dug it! I think it's more aptly described as dry/wet + dry - however some may prefer the double entendre of "moist". Thank you for the support.

[@scottpeters4401]

Question 1:Does the parallel mixer need to be stereo??...Question 2:is just running a parallel path in a Helix or AXEFX,and blending that path into your dry path the same result??...I was thinking of using the Boss Waza TAE for my dry amp channel,then taking its stereo outs to a AXEFXIII into a stereo power amp out to cabs....that seems like it would be simple..

[@VertexEffectsInc]

If you want Wet/Dry/Wet - yes. If you're ok with Wet/Dry then - no. No, but you can use the parallel paths to get wet/dry/wet in both of those units. If you wanted to use the Boss TAE, you can take the dry balanced out into your DAW or FOH and then send the unbalanced to additional line level effects that could feed something like a Cab Zeus in stereo to give you your L and R stereo channels on either side of the dry.

[@andyhightides]

I've been using the TPS method for a while now with drives going to an RV-5, splitting off to Traynor Darkhorse, and continuing through a delay and chorus into a Bandmaster. I like not having the wet effects in the amp that compresses more. I haven't had any polarity issues yet, but was considering a box that would give me ground isolation and polarity.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Is the RV-5 not a reverb? That would be putting Reverb into both amps, meaning you'd have some wet both amps, just more we in the one that had the Delay and Chorus. It might be an interesting experiment for you to try Wet/Dry/Wet or Wet/Dry and compare it to the split mono system you have now and see what sounds best in your context. There is a less expensive line out box made by Bray that you can check out LO-1 I think it's called.

[@MrLoompi]

Great video! How much dry would you (they) usually mix in the outer wet cabs ? Ala EVH, Steve Stevens etc sound. I usually use 40-50% dry in outside cabs. Thanks

[@VertexEffectsInc]

It's really all to taste. A lot of it was just to really get a stereo image like we would now with pedals that have dry in them but with studio gear that was return only/100% wet.

[@qiuz51]

The big drawback of the parallel/kill dry option is that you won't get reverb on the delay repeats. It's one of the reasons those 80s rigs sound so strange to modern tastes. In a real studio chain you'd generally feed a bit of the delay into the reverb to situate the repeats in the virtual space. If you want to do that and keep the the wet cabs 100% wet, things get a bit more complicated...

[@VertexEffectsInc]

If you're running all effects 100% wet, this is true, however using the Dual Stereo Line Mixer approach you have mix #1 for example have reverb and pitch, and mix #2 have delays and maintain the dry signal throughout so you can get the interaction of the effects. This would be more consistent to some of the late 80's set ups that guys like Lukather would use.

[@chrisminor6362]

Great video as always. Would have been nice to see how to set this up on something like a Helix. Half this stuff is over my head, but cool anyways.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

I’m doing another video on this next.

[@vladimirpavlovic9488]

Yeah totally

[@chrisminor6362]

@@VertexEffectsIncCan't wait!!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Chris Minor 🥳🥳🥳

[@andresgaron]

Hello Mason! Can i make a Wet/ dry-wet system with the AB box by Radial Engineering ? That box have a 180° phase switch to match the amps. The location of this box it would be as a splitter, after the gain stages. Thanks

[@VertexEffectsInc]

That’s exactly the same thing that is in the drawing that I am comparing wet/dry/wet to. It’s a splitter, however typically people would put it at the end of the signal path, our first sometimes for switching signal paths. It’s still predicated on all the effects being in the series. No parallel devices, no mixer, new hundred percent wet effects or kill dry. Also the polarity, which they are calling phase, won’t make any difference if it’s corrected, if you step on a device that inverts it again. This doesn’t mean you can’t get a good sound, it’s just fundamentally different than what wet dry wet is.

[@gorandahlgren]

Thank you for straightening this out. One thing that comes to mind is how Mike Landau does this today. From what I have seen, it looks like he uses a wet / dry set up. One amp dry, one amp wet. The signal splits at the LA Sound Design P1into the Strymon delay all wet and so either the Strymon Blue Sky, or the Subdecay Reverb which also allows blending the effect. Am I right? Personally I pretty much go mono these days, similar to Robben Fords set up. Thanks Mason and stay safe🎸

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Göran Dahlgren This is a more accurate description of how Michael Landau is sitting up now, although I’m not building current rigs this philosophy is the same: www.vertexeffects.com/blog/vertex_michael_landau_wet_dry_pedalboard

[@pauljohnson1065]

Great video! Years ago, I used a Boss DD-3 with the direct out going to a Princeton Reverb, and the other going to a Peavy Classic. I use to do the Brighton Rock thing by Brian May. What do you think of the "Wetter Box" by Daniel S.?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

This is more of the split mono system I was talking about. The wetter box is a parallel mixer, but I think you can only put one pedal in it, mono or stereo. It wouldn’t work for a wet dry context the way the line mixers would in the format that’s it’s in.

[@TheAlpineProject]

I use an amp with a parallel FX loop with nothing in the return. So it's a little different. I think it takes like 5 instrument cables and 3 speaker cables to do. I've been lucky or ignorant with phase issues so far. The signal goes from the amp head's preamp out the loop into a stereo tremolo (Gig-FX Pro Chop) and stereo delay thing (Empress Echosystem), into a stereo tube power amp (Peavey 50/50 or ADA T100S), out to two vertical 2x12's (ADA split stack). The center cabinet is an old 1960a 4x12 with creambacks and greenbacks, and the ADA cabs were made for this sort of system back in their day. They've got a funky Celestion in them. Using the tremolo is cool but there's a handful of ways to route the signal with it for different sounds. With it in the FX "loop" it means your outer cabinets will get tremolo, either in mono or stereo depending on whether you use 1 patch cable or 2. In mono it works okay like a normal tremolo but your center amp's signal is unaffected so it's a bit different. In stereo it gives a roto/Leslie kinda effect, but you've still got an unaffected center channel. You could put it out in the front of the signal chain or do some other neat things with it as well though. The Empress has the ability to go fully wet but I don't usually go that far. I like it for the ping pong delay and it has a really nice plate reverb, plus a decent stereo chorus, flanger, a looper... It's got speaker emulation so you could run a dry center amp and just use the PA for your wet channels. The center amp also has a little reverb on it usually so overall I'd call it damp/moist/damp or something. Gigging though I either wouldn't use this often or I'd get a modeler to do it all without all the crap to carry.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Sounds like a cool rig!

[@christianboddum8783]

Awesome video! I'm a Helix floor user and I hope Line6 will make a dedicated W/D/W output section in the coming Helix2 including 3 XLR outs. You can use existing outputs, but it robs some of your routing options though. I love that I can do so much routing inside one box, not needing so much cabling and extra stuff to carry and repair ;-)

[@VertexEffectsInc]

🙏🙏🙏 thanks for watching

[@saturnskull1242]

What if you did the dry/wet+dry setting, the guys at That Pedal Show describe, but you also used a preamp pedal after the dirt pedals and before the splitter or aby box, into the return/poweramp-in of the dry amp and then the split signal into the wet effects pedals, into the return of the wet amp, thus using the same preamp section, wouldn't it be a more 'normal' - uniformed sound this way?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

I'm not follow you, if you want to draw up what you mean I'm happy to comment on it.

[@drewby33]

I don’t like running effects in stereo and most PA’s I play thru are set up mono anyway. Even guys like the Edge don’t have effects in stereo. Doing it the way the guys on that pedal show do it is easier, cheaper, and you actually get the sound of two amps. Which sounds great too. IMO you didn’t setup the “wet” side to sound good. And prob on purpose just bc it bugs you wet side isn’t 100% wet. And even tho it may not be how you like to do it, it sounds SO much better than running all that into front of amp. And like i said two diff amps, even with one having the wet effects hitting front of amp, still sounds great! It’s basically just mixing a dry signal into what you were already doing with one amp.I do it the other way you dint car for, using a suhr splitter and an iridium as the “wet” amp. ‘65 Bassman/ox box as dry amp. Come out of iridium and ox Into Boss LS-2 Line selector and mix the two Into DI that goes to board. That way I have control of the “wet/dry” mix and not the sound guy. I feel like you Might as well bring some full range speakers Into your wet dry wet. I mean ry cooder did that a million years ago. The point is, both ways sound way better than just one signal and wet effects hitting front of amp. If you actually set it up to sound good, the way that pedal show does it sounds amazing.

[@Gigirizzolihhhhyyy]

Which episode of that pedale show

[@drewby33]

R M the one with wet dry in title

[@mizraim5890]

Awesome video Mason! Thank you for sharing It in a real nice and simple way. I always strived for this content in videos specially for Luke and ML. Regards. Mizraim

[@VertexEffectsInc]

You're welcome! I hope we earned your subscription!

[@monico1964]

Great Videos. I watch all your video's. They are the best on youtube. I have somewhat of a challenge for you. How about a in depth video on running wet/dry/wet using a Kemper Profiller as (dry) and Axe Fx ll for all wet. That would be extremely useful for a large group. Keep up all the great information. You are the best! I am going to pick up the Collider for my wet/dry/wet amp setup. Can The Capture X be incorporated in a wet/dry/wet set up?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Great suggestion!

[@joshuamchugh9299]

New to this, but want to make it happen if possible.... How do you know if a mixer is required? Is there something specific to look up for each WET pedal to know? As well, for clarity, the example used in the video was going through one amp with multiple cabs? Not 2 amps, correct.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

A mixer is required if you're going to be running 100% wet effects, aka Kill dry. Most pedals now can do both kill dry or have the dry signal in them, however some also don't have analog dry thru's so you'll need the mixer to get the dry signal back in so you don't have any latency.

[@guitarelaxed]

I´ve experimented with w-d-w but I never got used to the sound of delay and reverb in parallel. I don´t like it when in patches with more then 3 delay repeats the last repeats sound bone dry because the reverb trail has already faded away after 2.5 - 4 seconds.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

One thing that some guys did, commonly, was have the reverb and pitch in mix #1 of a dual stereo mixer, and delay in mix #2, with an analog stereo chorus feeding the mixer to maintain the dry path so you could mix it with the effects and get that interaction. Or you could change the order of what the pre mixer effect (Chorus typically) would see in the parallel mix order - if you wanted delay first, and then pitch and reverb in mix #2.

[@monsieursandoz6814]

I need some help!! I use booster and volume pedal. How should I make those pedals raise or lower the volume of both amps (wet/dry) when I turn them on?. considering that they should go through the effects loop. Cheers from Argentina

[@VertexEffectsInc]

You should only be using one amp if you're running wet/dry or wet/dry/wet and a stereo power amp. Some folks put the volume pedal before the dry amplifier or after the line out of the dry amplifier before the wet effects.

[@66numero]

Hi Mason, I find your offer of giving away the 5$ subscription for those who can't afford very generous from you. I wish you all the best in the future! Best regards.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

I want to keep it available for everyone. I appreciate your compliment.

[@zombiemosher1139]

I've read articles on this but this video is the best explanation I've seen about W/D/W. Its something I'd love to mess with as I use both rack gear & pedals in my live rig so really all I'd need was a power amp & another couple of cabs but for the gigs I do the extra setup & time it would take to load it up wouldn't be worth it. Great video.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Glad it was helpful!

[@anthonydratnal1870]

I only ever run multiple amps together when recording, but when I do I intentionally use different amps with wildly different headroom for the wet/dry split. I just love the overlapping textures and gain structures - but it's definitely not a pristine Dann Huff clean tone!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

It doesn't have to be the classical wet/dry/wet to sound good, that's for sure. Plenty of good tone to go around and many ways to "skin a cat" as the old saying goes.

[@guitarampbikernerd]

Are you aware of the Laney IRT-X expansion cabinet. Could that be used to do a simple Wet/Dry or Wet/Dry+Wet quite? Looks promising?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Looks like a powered monitor that would replace the power amp, this would be fine to run the wet effects into instead and of a power amp and cabinets.

[@circuitsandcigars1278]

As soon as I saw Bradshaw/Lukather setup I smiled. Saw Toto in 2019 for the first time and Steve Lukather's tone in concert was literally the same as the album

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Awesome! I think by 2019 Luke was already away from the rack thing and just a pedalboard based system, but still great tones there!

[@joepascual967]

I use my effects loop. It only works with parallel fx loops. So guitar into front of amp 1 then fx loop out into wet effects with kill dry then out to return of second amp. Wet/Dry. Also have to check polarity.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Cool, seems like more of a stereo rig with a parallel effects loop. That sounds really good too. I like doing that with my higher gain heads, like a 5150 and Dual Rec. Sound great!

[@deanpaxton9197]

Great Vid! My fundamental challenge is the volume level of the dry vs the volume level of the mix. In my noodling around depending on the song adjust this level to heavy on the wet side to a lighter wet mix. I only currently have been doing the TPS version but after this vid am interested in playing with this more but my ear/playing keys off the dry signal so I would have the same challenge of wanting to control the volume levels dynamically

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Give it a try, let us know if you have questions!

[@ryanlaing2330]

Hey mason would love to know your take on using things like the Friedman cab no mo or other IR loaders/cab sims as the wet cab/amps for a wet dry wet. Or if that would be closer to a wet/dry wet.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

I'm sure it sounds fine, but you would still need a load or a speaker connected to it to work. I really like the Fryette Power Load, as it is also all analog, and has mic and cabinet simulation (also analog). Another good one is by Rivera, Rock Crusher. It's nice to have the ability to go totally speakerless (as well as mic less) if you need to. However, this Mic No More could be use if you want to feed directly into a mic pre (in example #4 in the video) if you did want to deal with an SM57 on the dry speaker cab.

[@TheGasMoney]

Awesome!!! Thanks for clarifying this for me! What do you think of trey anastasio’s new wet/dry/wet rig bob bradshaw designed? Treys rig rundown from this year is definitely cool!!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Very cool rig!