My guild tested master looting the drop off Thunderaan to someone else who didn't have bindings. It does not work.
@Sarthetv4 жыл бұрын
DUDEEE thank youu!!! Glad to know, didn't think anyone would be this crazy to try!!
@Klistern24 жыл бұрын
World buffs kind of negate the value of this item for rogues
@Silverscream19653 жыл бұрын
That is partially true but that also depends on OH / if they got Sqwak or warchiefs, and with the extra 3% crit it can also do more damage
@kennethm18184 жыл бұрын
You cannot loot Dormant Wind Kissed Blade OR start the quest from it unless you have already completed the pre-quests for it, meaning you have to turn in the two bindings to the quest giver before you can even begin the quest.
@akitos64134 жыл бұрын
No, you cannot give TF to someone else. We tried this and it didn't work.
@mikeekim0070074 жыл бұрын
No point in worrying about a TF tbh. My guild has seen one binding since we started raiding October. Meanwhile another guild on the server just got their 5th. -_-
@cvanamburg72344 жыл бұрын
RNG is crazy my guild has 2 complete and 5 half bindings. Also 3 hammers. Im next inline if my baron binding drops
@jebus7x74 жыл бұрын
Bro i hear ya. Im set for 3rd TF and we have seen 1 that went to a tank that gquit
@solatyn4 жыл бұрын
we have 4 garr bindings, and have had zero baron bindings. Main raid has been doing MC since second week of classic and one of our tanks has been hosting a split run since nov. I think we will be lucky to have 1 tf by naxx
@Lordturisas14 жыл бұрын
@@solatyn we have 3 Baron bindings. Feelsbadman
@chrisgreenwood81884 жыл бұрын
Same we’ve only seen 1 binding. Got it Tuesday lol
@keeganrodriguez87144 жыл бұрын
kinda cool moment, i have a spriest on Whitemane but main a rogue on Earthfury. I hopped on my Spriest today and saw a rogue with a TF, so naturally I ran up to inspect him. It was Falkkon, about an hour or so later I watch this video and there he is haha
@xGhost094 жыл бұрын
Now Sarthe is just flexing his thunderfury Jk great vid
@Sarthetv4 жыл бұрын
hahahaha, 4 videos later >.
@LNR1574 жыл бұрын
yeah defo a flex :P
@SudoChuckwalla4 жыл бұрын
Great video, i don't play a rogue but I always enjoy you're content
@soderlind814 жыл бұрын
As a Rogue I always asked these questions to myself but now i dont need to anymore. Cant get more informational then this! Also.. wtf is up with 48 dislikes!? Its pure stats and information about this weapon, I smell 48 jealous little rogues here lol
@Mcchowy4 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to the sno video in a couple days talking about this before sarthe.
@Evan-wv4hz4 жыл бұрын
UD Rogue here. I have the Barron Binding and 10 elementium bars in my bank waiting for Garr to be kind and drop his binding. I’m up next.
@cvanamburg72344 жыл бұрын
Same for me. Human Herod Rogue
@Sarthetv4 жыл бұрын
@@cvanamburg7234 gl both of you Rogue brotha's!
@Evan-wv4hz4 жыл бұрын
Sarthe thanks man! Thats all I need at this point!
@cvanamburg72344 жыл бұрын
@@Sarthetv thanks man.
@critic4624 жыл бұрын
I just got right binding tonight US- thunderfury server ;) I play rogue
@omgwtfpwnd Жыл бұрын
It’s only technically considered BiS against high value targets because the proc goes through plate. Everything is situational. For Rogue, there is no “BiS”. It’s a cool weapon, definitely must have for lulz.
@SnowHerod4 жыл бұрын
I am a Rogue that just got a binding from baron about a month ago. We got 2 bindings in 1 Run and we let our second tank finish his off. We now have 2 and a half but the only reason we didnt give it to a warrior is because we are kind of having a turn over rate on tanks getting burnt out and I was one of the only people to afford it, Really hope i manage to get the garr binding soon lol
@mms-sc6jc4 жыл бұрын
@14:47 "PST" = Pacific Standard Time. We are currently in Daylight Saving Time: PDT. Standard time (PST) starts back up in November.
@Sarthetv4 жыл бұрын
legit never knew this changed the name of the timezone....
@mms-sc6jc4 жыл бұрын
@@Sarthetv Spread the word. Together, we can make a difference.
@SpLaTTyDaDDy4 жыл бұрын
Ya not gonna happen for me. The old hunter meme moved onto warriors. Everything is warrior loot lol. Even if all our tanks get it I see the dps wars whining for it. Ya know every 2h that drops gotta go 2 war and every 1h that drops is warrior also. Smh great video dude!
@Mike-om4tv4 жыл бұрын
Best class in the game, sorry to break it to ya.
@abstractdaddy13844 жыл бұрын
That's pretty dumb. Strong argument for tanks but dps warrs should have equal prio to rogues for TF. My guild prios swords to rogues and dps warrs get prio on maces and axes. Daggers are also prio to dagger rogues.
@iShredStreets4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, my guild leader said CTS is Tank Prio. I was like wtf?
@Helliondre4 жыл бұрын
Got mine last weeks too and god it's very fun to play with, farming is just easier with it, dps improve a bit but more on the end of the farming for the arcanite bar is so good :D
@Sarthetv4 жыл бұрын
hell ya congrats!! It's SOOO fun lol
@Helliondre4 жыл бұрын
And now, thanks to you, I don't have to bother for my OH anymore since i'm playing human :D
@brienirving75734 жыл бұрын
Can confirm only the person on the quest can get the quest item. However you can share quest to others to be able to do it even if a class like mage
@Rasmusbm944 жыл бұрын
Hey Sarthe, about the threat myth on TF proc. Could it might be, that the threat addon just faulty puts your procs threat on you, but that the threat actually adds to the shaman? I was wondering about this as the mob in the vid first starts attacking you when you are 1400 threat above the sham (6 sec after you initially out aggroed him). Kinda like how threat meters couldn't really figure out Onyxia fireballs at the start of classic.
@Sarthetv4 жыл бұрын
Rasmus that's a great question, testing it tomorrow with all other threat addons
@lucaseaston4 жыл бұрын
@@Sarthetv Can you test on the PTR with the new threat API?
@magnuslinderholmwamby49664 жыл бұрын
You can't use a threat addon to test this, not to mention there is only really 1 threat addon atm. You will have to estimate when you would pull and see if this matches with reality
@Redimptionful4 жыл бұрын
Yo Sarthe, what do you think TF would do in Naxx? What would your main hand be and would you still use TF in off hand or would you switch it out for deathsting. I know you need the +daggers. So would deathsting + TF still be better than Kingsfall + death? :D
@lucaseaston4 жыл бұрын
Hey Sarthe, love your videos. What you said about dont just trust the sims, try it out is so true. Have you done any testing with Dual Warblades? I know the sims generally show they arent great, but I have been getting good results. I am a 8/8 T2 Orc Rogue, no luck with BWL swords yet. Options are Vis'kag, Warblade OH or Dual Warblades. Last week I tried dual Warblades for MC and set PB's for almost every fight. I Will be testing in BWL this week. Tried to ask in the Rogue discord but just got flamed by people saying the dual Warblades suck cause MH is too fast. But no one else seems to have actually tried them, its all just sims say they suck. What I found was: White damage was up more than 100dps Bloodfang 8/8 damage was up about 20dps Sinister strike was down about 30dps Evisc should be the same. So overall damage was up more than 100dps. Regards, Shadow.
@Doball90804 жыл бұрын
As a sword rogue, you're making me want to go to my guild's MC on my alt and host a PUG MC on my rogue and reserve the bindings, haha.
@Sarthetv4 жыл бұрын
that's what I did for a couple month's till I got lucky enough to get the binding out MT already had
@Jaegerminor4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this, got my first binding today as a R14 rogue.
@jeremykothe28474 жыл бұрын
Can I ask... how? And how do you expect to get the other? open roll pugs?
@Jaegerminor4 жыл бұрын
@@jeremykothe2847from guild runs. Both bindings dropped in one run, one completed our 2nd tanks TF the other went to me.
@Jaegerminor4 жыл бұрын
Got my TF tonight!
@jared59884 жыл бұрын
Jaeger How has it been?
@russellbazigos58714 жыл бұрын
I would be extremely interested in finding out what sim spreadsheet/application you used in order to get these results.
@antoniomcgovern90304 жыл бұрын
He said he's using the Garcia sheet (drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1VSxFOc6eFYyoF6X19SQEKd12CJriIdXl) this is the latest version of it. If you want to keep it updated you should join the Rogue Classic Discord, where the latest version is usually pinned by Garcia himself in the spreadsheet-discussion Channel (discord.gg/9zEe66T).
@Sarthetv4 жыл бұрын
@@antoniomcgovern9030 Thx Antonio :)
@assassinkrug4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I'm getting different results with the bloodmoon spreadsheet saying TF is worse than CTS and maladath, wonder which of the 2 spreadsheets is the correct one.
@russellbazigos58714 жыл бұрын
@@assassinkrug I am seeing the same thing as well. Comparing classicsim, bloodmoon and the Garcia sheet. Currently both classicsim and bloodmoon sheet show TF as being worse for horde. To be fair, the Garcia sheet shows its only slightly better for horde and lets face it, it is going to be 1000 times more useful on a tank (even a second or third tank) than it is ever going to be on a rogue. I am playing a rogue on classic and hand on heart I would never even dream of getting it over a tank.
@DarkKniteZ4 жыл бұрын
Keep grinding. Good work ✊🏾
@jillianbundy6524 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the info on this Sarthe. I've been running sims as well and thought I was crazy with the TF/Mala being my bis atm (until I get CTS). My sim sheet doesn't show CTS as the better MH though once I get it though. Any thoughts?
@Sarthetv4 жыл бұрын
CTS isn't a better MH, but CTS TF is stronger than TF mala. If that makes sense? like TF is by itself a stronger MH, but as a wep combo it's better with CTS/TF
@leakyTF220 күн бұрын
aboslutely smacking with tank rogue in 2024 season of discovery
@Swafon4 жыл бұрын
Love the premieres , actually excited :)
@chibachaseygaming99704 жыл бұрын
So according to your Spreadsheet, AQR + TF is better, Can you sim that vs AQR + Mala or AQR + CTS
@jy007435644 жыл бұрын
Hi Sarthe, I've learnt alot from all ur rogue videos, thanks! I've just got TF last week, and as a human rogue in P5 to play dagger (lucky enough got the DS already), should I use TF for OH, or the Pugio is actually better?
@ludiloco41094 жыл бұрын
So gaining extra damage on a rogue is cool n all but the utility it provides the raid as a warrior is astronomically higher. In some sense it could be considered a guild performance downgrade if it went to anything aside from a warrior.
@raycharles11684 жыл бұрын
Its kind of dumb to chase TF as a rogue. 1) A proc generates almost twice as much threat as the dmg is does (hence why any smart guild prios it to tanks, and then warriors that may tank after than) 2) phase 6 generally will have wpns that are close to or better than it.
@joshw37192 ай бұрын
I’m the GM and I can’t justify giving this to myself as a rogue over our MT. I seriously don’t understand how you got Thunderfury as a rogue.
@gunnertoons90014 жыл бұрын
Great video man! Does this reign true for PvP as well (in your opinion)?
@ArenaHealer4 жыл бұрын
Just ding'd 60, what gear should I start going for in this late of Phase 4?
@vibonacci4 жыл бұрын
can you make a video whether DPS increase is bigger for fury warr or for rogue?
@CatroiOz Жыл бұрын
To those wondering: fury warrs get a bigger DPS increase but since they have no way of reducing threat they will inevitably get threat capped. If you're going to give TF to a DPS give it to a rogue due to vanish and feint
@gizgizeine71724 жыл бұрын
praise all the guilds with world rank 1000 rogues running with TF good choice
@houseoffirebellytoads14394 жыл бұрын
Would you say its worth it to get Maladath as a r14 rogue to replace r14 offhand?
@starhigh14214 жыл бұрын
Great video very interesting
@eddie46914 жыл бұрын
Nice video! Did you raid lead your mc pugs ?
@mazhiwezakizo35134 жыл бұрын
Wait! Did somebody say [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]?
@Matt-uv3eg2 ай бұрын
In original wow, a prot warrior struggling with threat would be far better off with a fast weapon. Prior to high level gear in original wow, I got the 1.5 second quick blade from pvp. At the time everyone bitched at me for using a pvp weapon. They soon changed their mind tho. If you ignore the pvp stats, quick blade was 1.5 second attack, 70 health and Higher dpa than any sword till deep into molten core and could be obtained by some simple grinding. Bang a decent proc chant on there and it made agro super easy and also helped with rage generation. It was a great way to gear up for raids as a prot warrior if you had the brain to look past the crit and ap stats on it!
@Pindragon4 жыл бұрын
When I kill boss on my tank I didn't have it on Master looter and nobody else can see the quest item but you it does pop up in a roll Windows
@Rave.-4 жыл бұрын
There's an impressive amount of misinformation in these comments. Haters that just flat out don't know what they're talking about. Grats on the TF. Hoping to follow shortly on the Human Rogue side of things ;)
@GarretGoodbarrel4 жыл бұрын
What UI Addon is that on your rogue? I like it
@subyrally004 жыл бұрын
Good information, thanks
@annoyora4 жыл бұрын
What if (in raids) your tank has a TF, and you as a rogue have one aswell, isn't the debuff going to stack and knock off other debuffs? my guild doesn't want the rogues to have TF because of this. But i'm not sure if that's the case.
@captainpocky4 жыл бұрын
annoyora Nah it just refreshes the original debuff, you can see him testing that around 5 min
@TheFitDragon4 жыл бұрын
You didnt go into why you use TF in AQ? You realize things will be immune to nature. Still waiting on garr binding. No Horde rogues have it yet.
@Goobermint4 жыл бұрын
they are not nature immune. ur wrong
@therealdadoom75094 жыл бұрын
On the subject of tfury oh vs mh, id assume for any kind of multi target tfury mh wins?
@MarkeetMD4 жыл бұрын
the dmg only hits the 1st target.
@CaenNecrosis4 жыл бұрын
How is it in PvP ?
@Sarthetv4 жыл бұрын
FUCKING AWEESOME lol, I'll be pvping tonight on stream with it
@CaenNecrosis4 жыл бұрын
@@Sarthetv good to hear - 1 binding and a dream
@Rave.-4 жыл бұрын
It's even better than in raid, because you have very few buffs. This means that its proc, which doesn't scale, is even more important. It's equivalent to a r14 weapon for PvP. (Not even including that the proc ignores armor)
@H2Prince4 жыл бұрын
By "The Claw" do you mean Claw of the Black drake? I had no weapons and was given the claw to go with my CHT...still no perds drop. The stats lead me to believe the claw is legit but no one talks about it anywhere. Wish someone just for fun did a claw build video lol
@jebus7x74 жыл бұрын
Bit late but my other dagger rogue i gave him claw and he is outshining our full t2 sword rogue with mala and cts. Its very underrated
@iShredStreets4 жыл бұрын
Did you get your Perd eventually? It drops a lot for us. Even ours Warriors are wielding it. Haven’t seen any Claws though.
@iShredStreets4 жыл бұрын
jebus7x7 What is he rocking on his Off Hand?
@jebus7x74 жыл бұрын
@@iShredStreets his offhand was still cht, he randomly swapped swords on me but he stopped playing or transferred too. I gear all my rogues and they quit on me lol
@jebus7x74 жыл бұрын
@@iShredStreets but the damage from claw is huge, caught me off guard. Gnome rogue aswell and no full t2 so had alot of room for growth
@stuarthosie16584 жыл бұрын
can you do a video on hunters with thunderfury
@Ivsenbaaby4 жыл бұрын
Any chance you can do some sims for P5 start bis with darkmantle.
@omgwtfpwnd Жыл бұрын
“Thunderfury OH is BiS for every situation”? You obviously haven’t explored the full meta of a Rogue then 😂
@EricLeeStepp4 жыл бұрын
Thunderfury is obviously supposed to go to paladins
@JedMcLovin4 жыл бұрын
Essence of firelord also needed.
@shadynine22404 жыл бұрын
1:29 no 8 stamina
@asaph75183 жыл бұрын
Lucky for me to get both the binding in 1 month... RNG is a bitch...
@omgwtfpwnd Жыл бұрын
*Thunderfury OH is BiS for every situation? You obviously haven’t explored the full meta of a Rogue then* 😂
@MrSystane4 жыл бұрын
This will forever be an out of reach dream weapon for my rogue. No way my guild will pass this on to me haha. I'm not even lucky enough to snag a CTS when it finally drops lol
@tyranose4 жыл бұрын
How do I argue in my guild that I (Rogue Class Lead and Top Raid DPS) should take the next TF in guild since we have 3 tanks that have it already?
@mikeekim0070074 жыл бұрын
Have all the mats ready to go.
@Sarthetv4 жыл бұрын
I had the mats and PUG'd my first Binding, BUT even just having all mats ready and showing them numbers on how it's BiS should help for sure.
@Rave.-4 жыл бұрын
Smash meters so hard they have to pay attention, contribute to your guild, and have all the mats ready. I have half the guild that will start a riot if I don't get the next bindings for this reason alone.
@Evan-wv4hz4 жыл бұрын
I farmed all the mats so when my first binding dropped the GL gave me the binding. Now I'm just waiting for Garr's binding.
@krol09.4 жыл бұрын
Waiting on 1 binding!
@thrillho13374 жыл бұрын
Same. Fucking Baron
@krol09.3 жыл бұрын
Just got my last binding!
@michaelk90804 жыл бұрын
36 warriors have watched this video
@lucaseaston4 жыл бұрын
45 now
@Hellvira564 жыл бұрын
Could u get into a mace spec beacause im really interested in it i like things that arent recomended
@moritzlauschus38104 жыл бұрын
I used to play maces on a private server few years back since the best weapons i got my hands on were the trash-drop maces from both AQ40 and naxx. I used standard combat spec, just switched 5 points from swords to maces obviously. I didn't notice too many stuns coming from mace-spec in raids or dungeons but while farming it came in quite handy and was fun to move around the mob to get in a few hits from behind.
@crestfallen8214 жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention that the top guilds will run just one TF in the raid due to max. debuff slots. So its just a prestige item at that point.
@Sarthetv4 жыл бұрын
except for when they split up on 4 horsemen. Plus for now, top guilds are melee heavy af haha, debuffs aren't too much of an issue rn
@prophetmgs4 жыл бұрын
CTS > AQR in oh as well
@pedrogomes40654 жыл бұрын
What about 2 TF? It’s not recomended?
@lucaseaston4 жыл бұрын
Its unique, cant have more than one.
@onemil16734 жыл бұрын
i hope to see pvp aspect but also the pve aspect, how good TF is and will be vs Naxx Sword in Pve. Because we have two Thunderfury Tanks now and we dont know, whether to Gear now a dd or should be aim a 3. tank with tf?
@k2k44 жыл бұрын
Imo it's trash at this point, even sub onyxia sword. This isn't saying it's a bad sword or status symbol, it's just not your BIS.
@Greg-gy7cd4 жыл бұрын
We don't even have a TF in our guild.... so sad.
@Sarthetv4 жыл бұрын
let the RNG gods bless you!
@simonz24134 жыл бұрын
i have it on mine paladin no hate pls :D
@iShredStreets4 жыл бұрын
Gz bro!
@mattmann064 жыл бұрын
How does someone dislike before watching it? XD
@azharrrshawkat2904 жыл бұрын
Jealousy
@Sarthetv4 жыл бұрын
@@azharrrshawkat290 Lol this 100%, and drama ofc
@Myreset4 жыл бұрын
CaptStunaHoe- bigglesworth. That's my rogue, check my parse this week 28 min clear bwl. This week. Just backing your claim. I don't have full tier 8 and still am 3rd top dps on our server without having dft. Or band.
@MichaelFazio4 жыл бұрын
Best argument I’ve heard for rogues getting thunderfury: most guilds don’t have threat issues they have damage issues.
@3rKoPlaysMinecraft4 жыл бұрын
Never heard that tho
@timthorson524 жыл бұрын
Lack of damage tends not to be what causes any wipes that occur in the guild I'm in. They tend to be caused when people do stupid shit. Maybe that will change in aq or nax.
@timthorson524 жыл бұрын
Also the other thing that has caused it is the healing being unable to keep up with the damage the tank or raid is taking. TF helps slow the damage the tank is taking, but its important to have it in a main hand, to get as many procs as possible on the boss.
@nerielgshsdh21954 жыл бұрын
Really dont know how you came up with this ... Naxx weapons outperform on all 3 different spreadsheets i have EVEN as a human rogue. TF is by no means BIS in all classic on my sheets
@runesteinsland26044 жыл бұрын
Tldr: It sucks. And you wont use it if your tank has it cuz of max buff slots.
@dylfps4 жыл бұрын
Nice keybinds lmfao
@mikee5554 жыл бұрын
You're the only rogue expert ill recommend. All your videos are quaaality.
@krin91204 жыл бұрын
15 Minutes 🤔
@motiv39494 жыл бұрын
Hunter weapon
@Neinshearts4 жыл бұрын
imagine being a human rogue and getting your guild to give you an offhand over a warrior.
@johncurry72254 жыл бұрын
Yes, you can master loot the quest item to literally anyone. This is how you could possibly have a meme TF Mage in your guild.
@felix63274 жыл бұрын
U cant
@SuperNyz4 жыл бұрын
Can i just point out these premieres make it way less likely for me to actually watch the video.
@crewdawg164 жыл бұрын
Makes literally no sense but ok
@Sarthetv4 жыл бұрын
Thx for the feedback, genuinely never thought of that. I'll try testing out a few things with the next couple vids
@hopeayrton16334 жыл бұрын
acne removal
@victorwinqvist42774 жыл бұрын
Best tank wep untill black temple. Rogues replace it next teir... dont do this -,-
@Summonization4 жыл бұрын
This feels like a propaganda video from rogues and hunters.. Weirdchamp 🤔🤨✋
@akitos64134 жыл бұрын
A Rogue should never ever get TF. Even if it's slightly better for his DPS, he shouldn't be allowed to wear it if the MT has it aswell. Reason being that two TFs apply an additional phantom debuff, which is completly useless. So you're blocking 1 debuff slot für a slight DPS increase on one person. That's not worth by any means. That's literally a tank weapon and nothing else. You only ever want 1 TF to hit the same target, and that person should be the one tanking it. tl;dr 1 additional debuff slot > slightly more DPS on one Rogue
@MITZILIPIKILI4 жыл бұрын
16 mins of nothingness. If your guild is giving rogues TF, they either already have 6 or someone is power abusing. Either way, not only it is bad but also having TF is not realistic. Which makes this worthless video.
@trip81594 жыл бұрын
Sounds like salt bud.
@roffo4 жыл бұрын
Down here, salt is a way of life. Obviously the environment down here is all salt. The ceiling is salt, the floor is salt, the walls are salt, and to an extent the air is salt. And you breathe that in, and you constantly taste the salt.
@gelystar4 жыл бұрын
unbelievable , how bad of a player u gotta be to watch guides by a Bindless player LUL OMEGALOL KAPPA KEEPO WTF IS THIS LULULULUL