Expend4bles Is An Embarrassing Wet Fart

I used to consider myself a fan of the Expendables franchise. Not so much after this embarrassment of a film.
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[@tallulahbeaverhausen4382]

Megan Fox as an expendable is as credible as Cardi B as a SWAT team leader.

[@thehitherto5348]

Meg Ryan as a helicopter pilot is still my favorite example of such mis-casting.

[@kostastube2010]

Don't give them ideas!!!

[@arafat2924]

I remember her from Transformers, obviously and never seen or heard of her again till this movie just what the hell has she been up to for the last twenty(?) years

[@SmallKilos]

Or a rapper

[@TheEmperorHyperion]

​@@arafat2924drinking blood and making her kids crossdress.

[@edwardgreenjr167]

I didn't think Megan Fox could play anything more unconvincing than being a competent mother, but here we are.

[@Bozzemoggel]

she might be a convincing zombie, just leave the makeup at home xD

[@takkie4064]

competent mother? didnt she force her kids to be trans?

[@gooble69]

@@user-zv7cs7xe1x Just bc she was hot FTFY

[@StayTrueToThySELF]

She did and it's disgusting. She should be thrown in jail because of child abuse.

[@Adam-sd2ow]

Transing her kids.

[@amandak.4254]

My dad took my brother and me to see this movie over the weekend. We knew within the first ten minutes that it was going to be bad, but we decided to sit through it anyway. I wish we hadn't.

[@viniciusvalois2634]

I felt the same in 2017, when I went to the movies to see the very first movie of Rey Skywalker. The final hit on the coffin nail was the scene inside the Millenium Falcon in which Rey throws a tantrum just to say "NOT OF YOUR BUSINESS!" when Finn innocently asks if she had any boyfriend.

[@amandak.4254]

@@viniciusvalois2634 That sucks. Kudos to you for sitting through that pile of yeast. I got it from my library and even then I couldn't bring myself to finish it.

[@viniciusvalois2634]

@@amandak.4254, if my advice fits, please incinerate this shitty thing and throw the ashes into the sea, for good measure.

[@hanc37]

I've better straight to DVD movie.

[@bluetooth2677]

I walk out half way through

[@asmosisyup2557]

The only reason the expendables worked is because the cast was made up of people that normally were the "main cast" all by themselves, so seeing them all together in one movie was amazing, regardless of what the movie was. It could have been a single long shot of a dinner party and it still would have been entertaining. If your sidelining them in favor of "new blood" you've completely missed why the franchise was popular in the first place.

[@nukiesduke6868]

Man Megan Fox having a midlife crisis and ruining her face with all the plastic is a huge bummer.

[@AntiJewluminatiDwarf]

"shes" a man, thats her probably. Gets harder to hide with age

[@jamescarr1265]

she used to be an absolutely beautiful woman in her Transformers 2 era

[@nukiesduke6868]

@@jamescarr1265 I mean she's gotten plastic surgery numerous times. When she first started out in the industry she was like just a slightly above average 6.5 to 7 (5 being avg on this scale) then she got surgery the first time around and that surgeon deserves a prize for how well he did. So she shot up to like a 9. Sadly she didn't stop there and that's when she got more, which made her look fake and plastic and it dropped her down. She shouldn't have had any work done past what you said, the Transformer era. I'm betting she's had implants too. Feels bad.

[@poeticsilence047]

@@jamescarr1265 before that too in Two and a Half Men

[@A_Random_Ghost]

@@CcReap3r Can't be too sure nowadays... /s

[@nathank2289]

You know a franchise is about to die when they bring in Megan Fox

[@tychodragon]

kill movies harder than relationships

[@michaelalexander5048]

At least it wasn't Ruby Rose

[@Peanutdenver]

@@michaelalexander5048 When you absolutely, positively need a grouchy, self absorbed lesbian to ruin a film or tv series call on ole Ruby Rose.

[@biffbutowski2447]

At least it wasn’t cardiB

[@everyone1liesd459]

@@michaelalexander5048 Tbf Rose is more realistic since she has done a lot of action stuff before

[@theguyswann]

Expendables missed a huge opportunity to close out a series in a blaze of glory. You’ve got the most iconic crew of decades past action stars for peak built-in attachment from their audience. How epic would it have been to raise the stakes by roping everyone in on one last mission that is deeply personal to the characters somehow, and gets them all together for one last hoorah - not because they are being ordered to or paid, but because they need to for each other. Then one by one you have them die for each other as we get closer to the completion of the most important mission that is able to turn mercenaries who may have questioned their choices and how they lived their lives, into true heroes who know exactly why they risk everything. Each having the opportunity to reflect before their send off. Then conclude with Stallone, the last “expendable,” ultimately succeeding in an epic “nothing to lose” final moment where he dies but saves the day. To get to see these titans of action film history to come back and then each get their moment in sacrifice of something greater would just be awesome. And it was honestly the first thing I imagined when I saw the series, what a perfect way to bring weight to “passing the torch” to the next generation of action stars. AND they literally had the name “Expendables,” which would have been even more fitting, *Expend them* at the completion of the trilogy damnit. And if this HAD been what happened in Expendables 3, who WOULDN’T have gone to see it? Seriously? But no, we got the same “risk nothing,” shallow crap wet fart movie one would expect to see from a company like Disney. Instead of seeing something epic with a clear goal & conclusion - just like the great action films of the 80s and 90s - we got the equivalent of a shitty TV show that had no idea what to do after the first season, and so they just kept stretching it for as long as they could with cheap threads, washed out copies of other story lines, and nothing remotely novel until it just withers away into nothing and is totally forgotten. What an insult to what these characters represent for a generation.

[@wookie8890]

I started reading this comment with the intention of finishing it, as with most comments, until I clicked read more and realized it was an entire dissertation 😂

[@zackerythomas3675]

Jeez!!! Too much and too long to read. Unnecessary just like a part four of the movie.

[@oneandonlysound3453]

Someone whose not too lazy to read when someone is 100% on the mark. Heck that is what 3 should've been, it got really boring and forced+rushed when the "replacement crew" came in. 1-2 I still enjoy but I don't ever want to see 3-4 ever again. Also "Expendables" should've definitely meant "expendable." The amount of characters who are basically not allowed to die was an incredibly stupid choice. When anyone can just be fine 5 minutes later or skip a film and be fine how is anyone supposed to keep invested?

[@theguyswann]

@@zackerythomas3675 Hahaha Touche'

[@theguyswann]

You're missing out, it is totally worth it 😂@@wookie8890

[@josephbrady711]

"I think i can smell shite" Gets me every time 😂😂😂

[@XeniaChow]

I think the franchise peaked at 2, it has everything, cheese, cameo, shoot outs, a simple story with a simple villain, played by the amazing JCVD, and the airport shoot out with chuck, arnold and willis, can't get better than that

[@sergiogonzalesYT]

+1 They should finish the series at part 2.

[@samuelgonzalez-tovar3936]

And we get his famous kick lol

[@phinDanderson]

Definitely overstayed it's welcome

[@mrsleep0000]

3 was a huge turd made for China, it was pathetically obvious.

[@buckfidencoincidencetheori7200]

And his name was vil-An lol it was so self aware it was ridiculous it was almost perfect

[@docsavage8640]

It's pretty hilarious that (1) they're pretending Megan Fox was an action star and (2) they're pretending Megan Fox was ever more than a flavor of the month 10 or 15 years ago.

[@AntiJewluminatiDwarf]

at least "shes" a man, there's that, also he's in mk 1 as nitara, the powers that be are pushing him hard for some reason

[@callmeviper7723]

But… she’s MGK’s girlfriend!

[@justateddybear951]

@@callmeviper7723 I always thought he was her boyfriend lol guys a total Who

[@afa1515]

Megan Fox actually lost her career cause she told Harvey Weinstein to fuck off and didn‘t accept some hollywood bullshit. Not a big fan either, but she‘s one of the few people with a honest character in Hollywood.

[@gregoryporch8395]

​@@callmeviper7723She's dating Eminem's "Killshot"?

[@life_of_riley88]

Glad to see that this franchise, unable to wrangle Sensei Segal, has just decided to stoop to his level of filmmaking.

[@TheWatcherxx99]

If you make it he will come

[@Teh69thSpartan]

He was supposed to be in the 1st Expendables, but he refused.

[@kevinfinnerty8414]

Seagal’s the Man. Best 80’s and 90’s action star. Next to Arnold.

[@IvanYurdec]

Disney Plus redoing "boring" ECHO series cutting Ezra Miller parody, MMIW, what Skin Walking is and where the missing Native American women went

[@Willows4040]

Hahaha never forget the time Segal got choked out and shit himself 😂

[@kickstartkrew9924]

I recently watched Fast-X. Same premise, big dumb ludicrous action sequences, corny dialogue. However the cast being heavily invested and having a blast with it was the difference maker that had you rolling along with the insanity of it

[@bobfg3130]

Fast X isn't better.

[@fernandomaron87]

Couldn't even finish watching Fast X, and God knows i've tried.

[@johnblackrose]

Anything past fast 2 is trash. Fact.

[@GuillaumeRouleau]

​@@bobfg3130Same, 3 sittings, couldn't do it.

[@LivingSanFranciscoBayArea]

​@@johnblackrose😂😂 I suggest you watch fast5

[@johnsmith3085]

One of the greatest moments of my life was the moment in the first movie when Arnold, Sly, and Willis shared the same screen. The theater erupted in cheers, I grew a third testicle, and my girlfriend left the auditorium pregnant.

[@paultrouskie1825]

Thanks, I needed a good laugh this morning.

[@busterzigler7530]

🤣🤣🤣

[@outbackgearforu]

When the comments entertain better than the movie

[@crankfastle8138]

I always laughed at that scene. How in the hell are they all the same height? Stallone is shorter than my brother and he is 5' 7". Arnold is about 6' now.

[@kalemdor1667]

Plot twist. The child wasn't yours 😮

[@joeschmoe3665]

For the life of me I will never understand why Megan Fox before the age of 35 felt the need for plastic surgery

[@Adam-sd2ow]

Or get with a weirdo like MGK to be a couple of freaks pushing their insane sh*t on her children.

[@PoisonousPen]

I don’t know why anyone felt the need for Megan Fox 🤷‍♂️

[@Morpheus-pt3wq]

Many more will come, until she will look worse, than Michael Jackson...

[@EagleEye517]

​@@PoisonousPenwell said

[@russrandolph]

I guess all that blood drinking just wasn't doing the trick.

[@jasonstclair1329]

Very disappointed Sly wasn’t able to film the next Tulsa King season this year 😢 and left with this train wreck to fill the gap .

[@Everthus4]

I never thought I would regret seeing Megan Fox in a movie. I regret.

[@imsteph21]

As soon as I saw Megan Fox was in it, I knew it would be a flop.

[@shawklan27]

Them botocks are so distracting that it's embarrassing that the weridos at Hollywood are still trying to make it seem like she's still hot.

[@kevins4213]

It was terrible. So horribly terrible. The plot looks like they missed all kinds of exposition. I was ten times as disappointed when I saw COVID Wranglers in the credits

[@MisterNumber6]

same lol wonder who she slept with to get the role...

[@jerbear7952]

You just can't handle good acting. She's the female equivalent of Gary Oldman.

[@micklaws5520]

@@jerbear7952Oh…..Ok

[@jmcclain8237]

Not having people like Kurt Russell, Nic Cage, Carl Weathers, and yes, Sigourney Weaver not in these films is bizarre.

[@613harbinger316]

Just play BroForce!

[@quiver5756]

Sigourney sould play the lead role in a female spinoff of the series, with Linda Hamilton and Milla Jovovich.

[@stanedgie5910]

@@quiver5756 add Cynthia Rothrock, Kate Beckinsale and Angelina Jolie and i think you might be on to something decent.

[@Dowlphin]

@@quiver5756 Let's call it either Boon Squad or The Expandables.

[@ArionNoble]

I hadn't even thought of adding the Alien Queen. That would be historic.

[@ProtossExecutor100]

The thing i loved about the first movie is how both the bad guys and good guys had stacked casts. They had many 1 on 1 fights, Sly vs Stone Cold, Jet Li vs Lundgren, Adkins vs Statham. After a while they just didnt do much to impress or build up the movie.

[@Picnmo]

“Um I think I can smell shite” close up caught me off guard 🤣🤣🤣

[@blacknexus7518]

Expendables 3 handing it off for "the new generation" was without a doubt the death of it. A bunch of nobodies taking over for the icons was destined to fail. The whole point of The Expendables was watching a group of aged mercs at the end of their run but they just won't put the horse down.

[@dawoodwilliams3652]

Facts, the whole appeal of the Expendables was the old guys

[@Thesavagesouls]

Exactly.

[@jabronisauce6833]

Yea who dafuq would’ve watched the ass movies without those stars all those stars made it enjoyable.

[@ikwilgeenkanaalzeur]

Yeah part 2 was fantastic, humor, old heroes having fun, part 3 had some wrestling people but man the action story and everything was subpar.

[@ryanwood6754]

it could have worked but it was poorly done. Barley any good action with the violence toned down, most the young ones were either killed or just crap and mel gibson was severely under used.

[@iggs67]

Seeing Megan Fox in it with expensive makeup and perfect hair - it doesn't get any worse.

[@soshady9572]

Worse - it could have been Lizzo or some other woke, body positive fatty.

[@GamerFrisco]

Makeup made from suffering animals

[@robertbobbypelletreaujr2173]

​@@GamerFriscocollagen harvested fromaborted humans..

[@yololoyo7379]

Exactly

[@ceasarsaran8573]

That make up doesn't look expensive. There is just a lot of it.

[@renz1013]

I dont know why but the clip of you saying "what ever" with a scene from the road warrior some how made my day

[@user-lc4xh7ts7h]

You know it's been a while since the Drinker said his epic "What the F$ck!" line. Maybe he's saving that for something that's really bad. Hopefully for the next review, because those were hilarious to hear.

[@timmoman]

"They look like they desperately want to be somewhere else" - a good description for almost every actor nowdays

[@GamerFrisco]

Like Bruce Willis in his recent movies.

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

Willis at least had the excuse of his dementia and other health issues forcing him into early retirement@@GamerFrisco

[@MeatCatCheesyBlaster]

@@GamerFriscoBruce Willis doesn't know where he wants to be

[@terencejay8845]

Certainly for any franchise actor. Take the money and run.

[@vormina9808]

I get sad seeing actors I've loved over the years appearing in such modern garbage like Morgan Freeman, John Cusack, Denzel Washington, and Charlize Theron.

[@jonathankozenko]

The thing that annoyed me was that the movie has both Tony Jaa and Mike Mohler (an amazing and completely unknown martial artist from Germany) but both went almost completely unused. At least Iko Uwais, from The Raid films, was put to decent use here, but the fact that he and Tony Jaa were in the same location, and on opposite sides of the conflict, and didn't feature a fight between the two is just criminal

[@erroneous6947]

Agreed, very underused.

[@arafat2924]

just... how??? a fight between these two ( at least halfway competently choreographed, that is) would get bums in seats by itself

[@redinthesky1]

Its painful to think what martial arts movie we could have gotten out of these guys instead

[@motherplayer]

For me, it's that there is always so much distracting CGI and bad green screens that took away from some of the effectiveness of replicating action from "a bygone era". It's more taking the action stars of old and putting them into the hurdles of the 00s effects.

[@viktorvaughn7341]

Yeah but you know what a waste of money it would be to have old these expensive old fucks sit around while we filmed competent action scene with competent actors/stunmen ~The Studio

[@nelsonguerrero1952]

I just got back from The Expendables 4 (2023) with some friends and yeah. This review sums up where this IP is now and how we felt. Now, don't get me wrong. It did have its moments for us to enjoy. Having Tony Jaa and Iko Uwais were welcomed additions to the franchise and loved their fight sequences. Before going into this, i had already seen The Raid (2011) and it's one of THE greatest action films ever made, next to its sequel too. Witch i saw later to prep myself to see this one and i'm glad we got to see him in action. But if the script was better and had the same flashy tone as the first three. I would've rated this film higher. But this ultimately gets a 7/10 for me. It gets that due to Tony and Iko mainly. I love these guys and have since the first. But it was not the same when they had the the team they started with. While not the worst film i've ever seen. But it was defiantly way by the numbers then the other three. While i enjoyed the film, it was a rather disappointment. Good vid dude and keep up the good work and god bless.

[@TotallyNotALolicon]

They had talks about having The Rock Hulk Hogan or a returning Jean Claude Van Damme playing and identical twin, being the main villain of the story that would had been something a lot better than what we got.

[@AncestorEmpireGaming]

Seems like Megan Fox knows how to Star in disappointments

[@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r]

Seems after Transformers her entire career is being held by typecasting lol

[@stillcantbesilencedevennow]

Dunno why TF he put her in there. She's a lefty psychopath. Probably messed up all the filming vibe.

[@AncestorEmpireGaming]

@@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r ever since she apologized for calling Bay and Spielberg “Nazis”

[@beowulfsrevenge4369]

The problem is her looks can only carry her so far, and they're clearly fading. I don't know what she did to her face but she's starting to resemble Madona and not in a good way.

[@shawklan27]

​@beowulfsrevenge4369 it's deem cheeks and lips dude, they're so distracting

[@haschwell2757]

I'm convinced that if Megan Fox was in the first Predator movie she would somehow still have perfect hair and makeup by the end of the film.

[@Micha-qv5uf]

I mean the movie has a "megan fox-like" character. It would have been a good role for her. Unimportant and with little screen time.

[@smokejaguarsix7757]

If by perfect you mean being made out of plastic and silicone.

[@reidparker1848]

​@@nathananderson3355 She's always had that unsettling look about her.

[@unvaxxeddoomerlife6788]

She could have escaped from Shawshank prison and still had perfect hair and makeup.

[@Bozzemoggel]

to be honest: Arnie had perfect hair and "makeup" at the end xD

[@Groteskfull]

Wow, that Jacob Scipio dude REALLY does look like Antonio Banderas!

[@JapanesePeppaPig]

I went to see this with my dad, nothing but silence between us. We didn’t even talk about it leaving the theatre because I just felt like he knew it was trash

[@LailandiAdventures]

It probably would be more entertaining seeing them all in a old folks home that gets targeted by the government. *Edit* everyone is telling me that's the plot of RED, why wasn't I notified?!

[@Life_Is_Torture0000]

Hmmm...you know, that might actually work as a concept. At least it's an original idea.

[@PandemoniumMeltDown]

RED

[@strategery101]

I hope the hollyweird strike lasts forever

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

Rambo 5?

[@Dirtnasty420]

I would watch the fuck out of old 90s action stars in one retirement home defending it from mobsters or something

[@jordibarguno]

Biggest disappointment is that throughout production there were sooo many amazing names attached like Pierce Brosnan, Clint Eastwood, Jack Nicholson, Hulk Hogan, etc. It could have been legendary. What a missed opportunity.

[@mrpersonality3497]

Seriously. Pierce Brosnan was a frightening bad guy in "Don't Talk To Strangers". He would have made an excellent Expendables villain.

[@Micha-qv5uf]

Bro Clint Eastwood is 93 years old. The guy is a legend but I don't want to see him in any movie anymore plz.

[@danielduncan6806]

They knew, they ALL knew it was going to be trash. So they didn't get the budget.

[@Noname15514]

@@Micha-qv5uf From what I heard, Clint was rumored to play Stallone's character dad.

[@walker1984]

​@Micha-qv5uf he could have been worked in like Chuck Norris and it would have been fine

[@michaelpowell3980]

OMG this may be the only time Kirkcaldy Girls get a mention in the interweb... kudos!

[@MattOsbun]

5:35 HEY! Dolph is a legend! Don't lump him in with the also-rans and the flavors of the week!

[@IndigoPhoenix21]

This happens to pretty much every franchise that returns after a ten year absence. The thrill, the spark, it fades because the creators either lose touch with the original essence or never understood it in the first place.

[@brandonm1708]

Yet Puss in Boots 2 came back swinging harder than most of the previous entries in the Shrek universe

[@steviegbcool]

The problem was the expendlble films were not even good to begin with. They were just a novelty that wore off.

[@brandonm1708]

@@steviegbcool yeah they were pretty expendable (Just a joke, I haven’t actually seen the movies)

[@Bozzemoggel]

true, it needs more than just 10 years to make a masterpiece like Mad Max: Fury Road :D

[@gooble69]

"because the creators either lose touch with the original essence or never understood it in the first place.' You are assuming that there are creators involved in the process. Long breaks between sequels usually means it's purely a money decision. The studio simply dust off an established brand, throw a formula script at it and some past-their-prime actors desperate for a job and profit. Everyone involved knows it's going to suck but it keeps everyone's bills paid.

[@davidemarsu7098]

Fun fact: Megan Fox was pretty stressed out and low energetic during the shooting of this film because they wouldn't let her drink her favourite human blood on set. Allegedly.

[@Greysky2024]

She gets a lot of attention for that 😂 a TON of celebs do this lol.

[@makeitsonumberone1358]

AB+ or O? Me i prefer A+ you get a bit more iron.

[@fortyfour1654]

.....also an M T F allegedly

[@ivankuzin8388]

@@PerishtheTHOT-wg1ds That diss track is literally the only thing I know about MGK :D

[@minners71]

@@ivankuzin8388 Thankfully I have lived my life and not listened to either.

[@rolfknappmann]

They made a 4th one?! - "Raging Retirees" is what they should've called all of these movies

[@dialatedtechnology]

Expandable peaked at 2 and while I think that they did as good as the could of done with 3, it should have ended there.

[@bottomlefto]

I can't believe they got Iko Uwais from The Raid and still managed to have lackluster fights. You'd have to be trying to fail when you got him and still mess up.

[@robw4623]

AND Tony Jaa…

[@evalonia]

THAT was the biggest dissapointment from the movie. I was waiting for that end fight-scene where Iko comes and kicks some ass. But then he's beatne within a minute and dies. What a waste of talent. They could have done Iko vs Tony for 10 minutes, and it would have made the film 10x better.

[@seansimmons73]

evalonia- Yeah, but that disappointment is in EVERY expendable' movie. In the second one, they had Jean-Claude Van Damme AND Jet Li & didn't even have them meet each other, much less fight

[@Edwin.Serrano]

I work to watch that movie with my date, I was so disappointed they didn't use Ikonas much as he deserved it

[@weasle5022]

Not sure what the go is with him, he's done some terrible movies. Great actor and choreographer though

[@MrArbaras]

Megan Fox being an Expendable makes me think the person who pitched the idea has no idea what makes them the Expendables. It's supposed to be a throwback series that celebrates the action heroes of an older generation. In other words, the opposite of Megan Fox

[@supertrendymoneymaker0722]

Since they picked a young woman like Megan Fox, why not Scarlet Johansson who is known to do her own stunts? She was in Black Widow, Lucy, Ghost In The Shell, and most of her action movie career as an Avenger! Cmon man!!!! Even Angeline Jolie would have made way more sense than Megan Fox! Even Maggie Q who is so underrated man! She was Nikita! Megan Fox only success was Jennifer's Body. The issue with her is the fact that she is not trying to act good at all. 50 Cent had better days as Kanon from Power, but this has got to be his worse performance that will even make J Rule his rapper enemy laugh!

[@Retardedspecies]

man *@@supertrendymoneymaker0722

[@the-engneer]

​@@supertrendymoneymaker0722 If Maggie Q was in it I would have watched this film in a heartbeat!

[@TimoRutanen]

I mean, where are the likes of Angelina Jolie, Linda Hamilton, Sigourney Weaver or Michelle Yeoh? I would have believed them.

[@quintusaquila34]

@@TimoRutanen Funny enough, after the second Expendables movie Stallone tried to put together a female led Expendables spinoff that would've included Hamilton, Weaver, and Yeoh as well as Milla Jovovich and Kate Beckinsale. But the movie never materialized.

[@ernestscribbler2608]

Hahahahahahahaha! Mate, that was incredible. You're now my go-to guy for all film reviews from here on out.

[@youtubeuser5173]

I finally got around to seeing this yesterday & I just have no words. The first 3 Expendables movies at least have the benefit of being relatively forgettable. 4, on the other hand, will be remembered for a long time, and that's NOT a good thing. Expendables 4 will be remembered when the Razzies are nominating the worst everything of the year. (Worst movie, actors, sceenplay) The thing that I REALLY just couldn't get over, especially in today's day and age, is how obvious and obtrusive the "Green Screen" was. It's like they didn't even try to hide it.

[@card969]

You know your movie will fail when you get Megan Fox to "act" in it.

[@Dowlphin]

And she's the one woman in the main cast and is made the team leader? Well, OK, we can give some leeway and assume she is still more believable there than as a hardcore action character, so they wanted some rounded chest with low T in the movie and needed a spot.

[@fobbitoperator3620]

Her face looks like a watermelon after pouring 6.3 gallons of candle wax over it. It mean, what the hell is the matter with these goofy Hollyweird jezebells??

[@paulsuter5816]

99 times out of 100 you're right, but I'd recommend Jennifer's Body and Till Death, where there's a great script and premise, and Megan Fox is great in both films.

[@etsequentia6765]

"Acting"? is that what they say she was doing? It looks like they just decided to show us how toxic she is in real life.

[@lindamagagula7476]

​@@etsequentia6765I have seen the trailer of The Expendables 4. When I saw Megan fighting and shooting a bad guy in the boat. She hasn't changed since the 2000s. She still has a mean girl personality.

[@Porkslap83]

Mickey Rourke did more acting in 5 minutes in the first Expendables movie than any of the actors, in all 4 movies, have done. His scene where he's talking about the lady jumping off the bridge and he just walks away... you can feel that scene, you can see him seeing it over and over again.

[@bobfg3130]

Fantastic scene.

[@jimmysandonato3403]

Facts

[@edwardwilliammorris1340]

Spot on .

[@Ziel23987]

Rourke is great in general. Have you seen "The Last Outlaw"? He single-handedly carrier that film.

[@johnblackrose]

And the way his voice cracks and so on. You can feel that he regrets not saving the one life he couldve

[@peteschaub7561]

That clip of Chucky ralphing his guts out will absolutely never get old.

[@mattchew6426]

The next Expendables sequel should take place in a nursing home, and have the stars rise up against a dictator-like head nurse in order to get their milk of magnesia. The potential product placement dollars could pay for the entire production (adult diaper/stool softeners/meal replacement drinks/term life insurance/hard candy/etc.).

[@Kopp203]

Fox is a classic - and a frequently all too common example - of someone in the media industry being able to grift a lucrative living at something they are quite clearly absolutely terrible at.

[@kevinogill6726]

Yup. That'd be a great "list" Fox, Kristen Stewart, Sam Worthington, Michael Pare, ...

[@bluesage4329]

Did you notice her voice acting in Mk1?

[@LordVader1094]

@@bluesage4329 How could you NOT notice her voice acting in MK1

[@bluesage4329]

@@LordVader1094 It was so bad. I honestly didn't know she was the VA. But later I saw in a comment section that Megan Fox voices nitara. It was awful

[@nolongeramused8135]

Ah, but remember how smoking hot she was in the Transformer movies? She should have just stopped right then because "smoking hot" was all she had going for her - certainly can't act.

[@MrGeorgeFlorcus]

The Expendables was a really nice bonding experience for me and my father. He was a big fan of simple, macho action films, starring various actors such as Sylvester Stallone, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Jason Statham. So, a film series like The Expendables; a viable excuse to just kick back, relax, and watch a bunch of aging, but still competent action heroes beat up hoards of nameless goons; seemed like a great excuse to get out of the house, go to the movies, and bond over dinner and a conversation about these old movies we used to like, and all the cute little in-jokes and references they made. My Dad passed away last August. I will not be going to see The Expendables 4.

[@sandman_says_runrunner4701]

Sorry to hear about your Dad. Yeah, this movie is a no go and no buy.

[@stanedgie5910]

sympathies on your loss, but at least you know you watched the better movies of the expendables with your dad. And i am sure he would not like Expend-4-bles anyway, so we both know he is in a better place not having watched this garbage.

[@theelder4797]

Poor dude, did he take the safe and effective clawtShawt?

[@kendonl.taylor5111]

About not seeing Expend4bles.......GOOD!!!!!

[@Puzzoozoo]

Condolences, I lost my Dad a little over 6 years ago, and Mum coming up in Nov to 12 years, and I still miss both of them, but life goes on, and you'll meet your Dad again, as I'll meet my parents again, it's just a matter of time now. As for E4, I won't be seeing it either.

[@philleotardo8760]

I like how you edited Kyle Reese shooting the shotgun at the xenomorphs. That was badass.

[@matthew4712]

3:53 never have I heard a more accurate comparison.

[@Mythos91Tube]

The worst thing about the 3rd film was the watered down violence to get that "sweet" 12A\PG-13 rating thinking they would get a larger audience, it killed the franchise for me and I think for others too. Part of its appeal was the throwback to the over the top violence in 80's and early 90's action flicks.

[@motherplayer]

Sucks because Mel Gibson and Antonio Banderas is giving their best and acting circles around everyone else in a film that does not deserve it at all.

[@GamerFrisco]

Couldn't agree more. Wesley Snipes must be ashamed to be in it. More than anything he's done in his life before

[@mr.awesome6011]

Wasn't that more on Chuck Norris since he refused to be in an R rated movie?

[@Shapershift]

@@mr.awesome6011 Chuck Norris wasn't on Expendables 3.

[@Mythos91Tube]

He was in the second. I think it was profanity not violence that bothered him strangely.@@mr.awesome6011

[@chucksenhowzen9740]

I was shocked Sylvester Stallone was hardly in it, then again he must’ve been embarrassed just like the whole cast

[@louisenglish8069]

Producer credit? Zero work, all the money

[@himwhoisnottobenamed5427]

Two words: Cash. Grab.

[@motherplayer]

Nah. It's age more than anything and him coming to terms that he can't keep being in stuff like this forever, so pass the keys to someone else, which clearly isn't working since Statham can only do so much on his own.

[@GamerFrisco]

Stallone is a Mr Crabs unfortunately

[@BilldeSarse]

@@GamerFrisco "Aaahhhrrrrr...me moneeeeyyy!"

[@kuzzbillington6392]

Modern script writing manual, last page: "Why? Don't know."

[@livingstonekot757]

"Really, I can only think of two reasons why Megan was cast in this film, and to be fair, the director makes good use of them at lease. Hehehahahaaa.." 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Oh brother, you got me with that one..!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@quorrakai]

I feel so lucky to have been born in a generation where we had these guys at their prime. JCVD, Chuck Norris, Stallone, Jackie Chan, Jet Li, Schwarzenegger, even Seagal ( Above the Law, Under Siege, Marked for Death awesome). Even way before my time, was Bruce Lee. Going to see their films was an event! There really aren't any replacements for these guys and its sad. Tom Cruise is the only true movie star left that has films I really want to see. My husband and I have all the great action flicks on physical media like VHS and DVD and watch them a ton. I'm here for the wet fart commentary! 😎

[@billsprestonesq.226]

Seagal was always a jerk but his early films were great. I think Keanu Reeves in John Wick did a lot for the action genre, particularly with great antagonists like Donnie Yen and Mark Dacascos. Also, Clint Eastwood and Charles Bronson were older actors from Westerns who then transitioned to the gun-toting city vigilante -- actors shift genres and I think we'll see all of this again. We've got Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Ryan Gosling, Sebastian Stan, and others who can keep the action genre going.

[@alistairwatson7263]

​@@billsprestonesq.226also a mention to gareth evans who helped bring iko some deserved recognition, through awesome direction and choreography.

[@LokiTricksterG]

Scott Adkins is the best modern-day action star, but unfortunately, most of his films are straight-to-video (or streaming in this case). Still, he has some fantastic gems like Avengement, Accident Man, and The Debt Collector.

[@OneofInfinity.]

I was a teen in the 80's, best film era ever, cinema and tv.

[@shawndashno6022]

I'm still hoping Denzel Washington can make Equalizer 3 work. 😂

[@joshuastanko2886]

Just saw this last night with my brother. We were the only ones in the theater and thank God for that. There's no way we could have gotten away with laughing and shit talking as much as we did otherwise. This felt like an independent straight to DVD action flick from 2003. It's right up there with Anaconda and Behind Enemy Lines 6.

[@nunya5424]

Woah bro you better change that to anaconda 2 search for the blood rose or whatever it was lmao

[@cattysplat]

Anaconda being a cheap movie for TV means nearly everyone has seen it at one point in time.

[@joshuasolis9054]

Wait there are 6 behind enemy line movies?! I thought it stopped at Colombia 😮

[@joshuastanko2886]

@@joshuasolis9054 Just an exaggeration. I think there are like 4.

[@joshuasolis9054]

@@joshuastanko2886 hey at this point, it could've been true lol

[@BookmakerMakes]

The way you described it, I figured you would have reached for the only thing stronger than a shelf of Jack Daniels.... A single bottle of Toilet Duck.

[@pikeb.3993]

Watched it yesterday on Sky. I really wanted to give it a chance, but while watching I felt literally nothing. But anyone who didn't see the twist with Ozelot coming will like it 😆

[@milney]

Terry Crews said in an interview that Stallone struggled to get studio backing for Expendables 1 and that it could've ended up as a direct-to-DVD release as a result Sounds like Expendables 4 is what they'd feared Expendables 1 would be

[@Dowlphin]

And probably no problem getting studio backing for that one. They'd rather ruin an old formula than try a new one.

[@OneofInfinity.]

@@Dowlphin NuDisney agrees.

[@filmsceneinvestigation]

Great summary. They should of stopped after 2….

[@JustTooDamnHonest]

Expendables 1 & 2 had it all from a great script, directors who knew what they were doing and an all-star cast of action legends coming together to show the youngsters how to really do an action film and now it has been reduced to a fart in the wind mixed in with 70 year old stale booze and cheap ass cigars.

[@derworfnet]

The first movie was fine but I really loved the second one. _Expendables 2_ was where the franchise peaked, where they did the most with the premise. The moment where Stallone, Willis and Schwarzenegger started blasting (supported by Chuck Norris) was an important moment of Cinema History. The third Movie wasn't as good, and it being NC13 really did it no favours, but for alll the new faces it introduced, it also added Denzel Washington, Harrison Ford and Antonio Banderas as well as Mel Gibson as (I think) the franchises' best Villain. I'm fine with stopping at three.

[@Sabamika1]

I legit didn't even know this film was a thing until I saw the thumbnail for this video. Saw no ads, nothing.

[@T.S.Birkby]

It could have be worse, they could have cast Steven Seagal in the movie

[@darwincity]

That, or Hulk Hogan.

[@thekiller7994]

Jeez, just imagine the scenes with Steven Seagal’s body doubles doing everything for him while he sits and mumbles his way through the film

[@morganseppy5180]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 made my day

[@GamerFrisco]

Thought he might have been in one already. Did they forget about him? Even though he's a knob.

[@b.chuchlucious5471]

He would chew his way through the scenery and the buffet. The Consumables!

[@deepzone31]

Thanks for saving me the time. Your description of 4 could apply equally to 3. I figured this was DOA when they tried to sell me Meghan Fox as a tactical operator. The appeal of the first one was the fact that all those guys could pull off "over the hill operators struggling with what to do with their used up lives".

[@TheEmperorHyperion]

They had Kate Beckinsale, Milla Jovovich, and even Gina Carano, and they still picked passive Mikaela?

[@activatekruger446]

More like testical operator lol

[@itsosse]

In this review I heard exactly what I said to my fiance after we finish watching the movie. Thank you for this review absolutely spot on. The movie was one of the worst I have seen for the last 5 years

[@robustbottlecap]

Megan having no chemistry with the expendables team, 50 cent's horrible dialogues and recruitment plot, Jason statham getting too old, Iko Uwais being nerfed badly, the movie having no real plot or good dialogues either, man this movie almost crushed all my expectations as bad as the fast 9 movie was. It's like having has-been uncles playing football together one more time before their death

[@GalaxyOfBoltz]

Megan Fox just needs to be in revealing outfits and given minimal dialogue. She’s eye candy and nothing else. Always has been.

[@sandman_says_runrunner4701]

I am not even sure she is eye candy any more.

[@themonsterunderyourbed9408]

Not even. Not anymore. Plastic surgery is ugly AF.

[@Lonovavir]

She was fifteen years ago.

[@jamescarr1265]

she’s decent in comedic roles cos she doesn’t have to do much

[@GalaxyOfBoltz]

@@Lonovavir yeah the plastic surgery messed her up. Transformers 1/2 she was in her prime. Bay knew how to use her.

[@billsprestonesq.226]

I'm personally a fan of Dolph Lundgren, and I'm American. He's really popular in parts of Europe and I can see him as quite a draw there. The clips I've seen of him in Expies 4 look like he's having a blast. Also, Terry Crews was threatened by one of the producers that if Crews didn't retract his accusation that he'd been assaulted by a talent agent, then the producer would ruin Crews's career. And 50 Cent mocked Crews for his accusation. So, maybe the plot should've been breaking into a prison to free a famous Hollywood executive who'd been convicted of rape -- because that seems to be the producers view on things.

[@miks301]

Did you hear about the burglars that broke into Dolphs house? Yeah they saw his picture and ran away as fast as they could lmao.

[@enricofriske1696]

I can confirm that Dolph was great in my youth (30 years ago in Germany). I also remember Michael Dudikoff. Btw David Hasselhoff was big in Germany too so what do we know😂

[@mercyjokes2d696]

Dolph Lundgren was once one of the spank bags of my imaginariom (hope others recon me joke from Father Ted and the guy who did the soundtrack, he is great sorry I turned this talent into a masty joke) Yeah but Dolph Lundgren is still a hottie.

[@Micha-qv5uf]

I mean action film enthusiasts know him but apart from that he's not really more populpar in Europe than he is in the US.

[@jasonmartin7137]

@@enricofriske1696 Loved the American Ninja movies when I was kid.

[@mikeall7012]

Dont ever minimize JCVD again. The man is an icon of a generation and a legend that only comes once in a 1000 years.

[@billy1673]

I didn’t even realize it got released already.🤣 Thanks for the heads up!

[@dcpunisher4781]

The second film was definitely the best because of JCVD. As we all know from one of the most iconic villians in any media format, The Joker - particularly Batman '89 and The Dark Knight - the villains themselves can make or break a film and JCVD was the highlight of the second film. I'm not quite sure of any film in which a supporting character ruined the experience, so let's see of Megan Fox can make that happen here.

[@JB-bm1tx]

AGREED. The second film had everything I wanted to see from those films. A big finale where all of the good guys team up and fight the enemy base. It had Statham, Sly, Willis, Arnie and Chuck effing Norris all being baddasses. 3 is ok as well, and I did like Banderas and Snipes against roided out Mel Gibson, whose infamous rants have turned him into the perfect hateable screen presence, and because Gibson has always been gifted, he was above and beyond as the baddie. But 2 is where it's at for me.

[@Turamwdd]

@@JB-bm1tx 2 is the best and 3 is my guilty pleasure. While the first one was the most technically sound, it also was the most boring.

[@ivancores2574]

I knew there would be a Fant4astic joke and it didn't dissappoint me at all 😂

[@30noir]

disappoint*

[@GamerFrisco]

*Fant4stick (Fantforstick)

[@bighand1530]

😂

[@atomicdancer]

*dis4ppoint

[@blacklivesorblackvotes2985]

Fan4stink

[@JesusPerez-pl5cx]

“ but good lord I wish I hadn’t” had me on the floor

[@allsloppynojoe4011]

As soon as fox was in the commercials, I was very disappointed with Stallone

[@dodywidodo9433]

Iko Uwais being watered down for the sake of the script is criminal.

[@15Candles]

True, ain't no way a fight between The Raid star and Jason Statham could be done in just a minute. Impossible

[@noway3202]

@@15Candles I thought that was him but was surprised when Drinker didn't highlight him in the review. Guess they really did waste his talent here if he didn't even get mentioned in the review. The Raid is still my all-time favorite action movie. The machete fight and the showdown with Mad Dog are legendary

[@okramoffacebook1381]

He should have killed off them all and ended that franchise

[@okramoffacebook1381]

Go watch Mandy That is a Movie

[@15Candles]

@@noway3202There's really no point to highlight him when he was just wasted. Yeah he's a great action star but there's really nothing terribly interesting to talk about him in this movie

[@ethanhunt3242]

Mel and Banderas were the only ones enjoying themselves in the last one. Shocked anyone bothered to make a fourth film.

[@jimthar17]

Oddly enough they've always been my favorite parts of that movie. Galgo is hilarious and that part was perfect for AB.

[@batmanimal5993]

Your description had me captivated

[@JsbsbJnshayah]

The cgi in the opening half hour is just so so funny.

[@bens9422]

Does anyone else find the opening credits of T2 better than most films? Seriously the music and grainy picture of traffic gets me every time!

[@IllusionistsBane]

"We believe we can do better than The Raid..." Famous last words, Sylvester Stallone.

[@nickbutcher760]

As much as I love Stallone, I remember him actually saying that, he really needed to stfu right there. The Raid is such an amazing action film and having Iko as a villain in this movie was such a big time waste

[@IllusionistsBane]

@@nickbutcher760 That quote was from a Tweet he made about The Expendables 3. I watched it and found it rather... meh. As an Indonesian myself I feel a bit of dilemma about Iko Uwais. I heard that the Indonesian film industry is growing fast but I can't say anything about their films because I haven't watched them beyond The Raid and The Raid 2. I would say he should find some work in the Indonesian film industry instead of Hollywood, but then it might be a choice between lower pay and having his talents being wasted like this and Mile 22 (even then I think he overshadowed Mark Wahlberg in his own film).

[@margarethmichelina5146]

And Ironically, there's The Raid actor on this movie which is Iko Uwais

[@benos2023]

"But, we can ". Alex Garland

[@15Candles]

​​@@IllusionistsBane"I would say he should find some work Indonesian film industry" That's hard these days dude as the film industry of Indonesia is now focusing more on generic romance and horror movies whereas action movies are so lacking from Indonesia to the point that action stars like Iko Uwais and Joe Taslim chose to work in Hollywood rather than Indonesia. Whether the Hollywood movies quality is good or bad, atleast they managed to find a lot of work there and get some incredible paycheck rather than stay in Indonesia and do nothing since the Indonesian film industry these days aren't interested in the action genre 🤷 In the Wendy Cagur podcast recently, Iko admit that he hasn't been called by anyone in the Indonesian film industry for him to lead another action movie which is just sad.

[@Admiral137]

They could have brought in Micheal Beihn, Kurt Russel, brought back Wesley snipes, car weathers, Sigourney Weaver, Linda Hamilton, and would have been golden to get Jackie Chan on board. That would have been an amazing star studded cast of absolute badass action stars from the 80s going into the 90s. If they had to include the female aspect Linda Hamilton and Sigourney Weaver would have been it. They’ve both played well written strong Demaline characters that dominate how female characters are written today. Adding Tony Ja and Iko Uwais was great but the rest was subpar

[@robertchapman1883]

May they rest in peace ( please)

[@marianov3977]

Incredible how between Mortal 1 Kombat and Expen4bles both coming out I see people comparing Megan Fox's and Rhonda's (voice for M1K)acting, both being bad for stablished franchises, but with Megan always being the worst. Truly celebrities of all time

[@mr.awesome6011]

Are you aslo a fan of The4thSnake?

[@torment6369]

The issue with this with voice acting for a game I think is the voice actor themselves have to have some sort of passion for the work or a good amount of respect for it at least. Look at Mark Hamil as Joker or Gary Oldman as Reznov. Megan just doesn't fit that nitara role. I could probably see her as Cassy maybe, but that's about it. Rhonda's a fighter but not an actor. Then again I blame whoever recorded it and decided it was good.

[@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r]

I've never been so happy to forget a movie more than this one. A real shame because Expendables 1 and especially 2 are frigging peak enjoyable action movies that bring the OG's back in a satisfying way. It sucks we could never relive that spark again thanks to 3 and 4 being so shit.

[@GamerFrisco]

3 was disappointing to say the least. Where was the blood in it??

[@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r]

@@GamerFrisco Nope. Not one single drop. This one had blood though, but it didn't save the movie lol

[@adamkalb1]

1:39 is something you could either review or give a Production Hell video to warn us about how bad Fantastic 4 can become in the vague hopes that Disney's 2025 Fantastic 4 for the Marvel Cinematic Universe can easily avoid sinking lower than this, because I have faith in Jon Watts after the Spider-Man Home trilogy and I am rooting for him to direct this right. January 1, 2024, 6:09pm

[@davidmahoney3804]

Iko Uwais was FREAKING AWESOME in Raid: the redemption, though!!!!!!

[@secondghost]

I never even knew this movie existed until now. Seeing that Megan Fox is involved it's a hard pass. It's a shame, I freaking love what Tony Jaa is capable of on screen.

[@slartibartfast5861]

I've seen footage of Tony Jaa running an obstacle course for horses. Really amazing stuff.

[@crankfastle8138]

Tony jaa is an absolute legend but he seemed to burn himself out very fast.

[@jgooner894]

Way too much hate for Megan around. She doesn’t deserve it.

[@KevinOnEarth_]

⁠@@jgooner894- nah, that plastic wench deserves all the hate.

[@darrylaz3570]

Believe me, Megan is unironically among the least of this movie's issues.

[@thee_morpheus]

I started seeing the decline on part 3, it was no longer about the 80s and 90s action stars when they started adding all of these 'new' names that took away from the brand. It was no longer 80s/90s action nostalgia and it started to become your standard B movie bs when they added Rousey, Kellan Lutz, Megan Fox and similar mess.

[@morganseppy5180]

Rhonda Rousey was believable, at least. She's a beast and can fight better than most in the cast, besides Jet Li.

[@thee_morpheus]

@@morganseppy5180 I agree, and I would def. give her a pass. The point was that the franchise was starting to move away from 80s/90s action icons and add too many names that people really wouldn't pay to see collaborating. The first 2 had base anchors Stallone, Arnie, Willis, Van Damme, Jet Li, Norris that carried the movies, Statham gets a pass because he has carried the action mantle since the early 2000s and has a large fan base. I will give 3 a nod because they put my boy Snipes in there lol

[@sandman_says_runrunner4701]

@@morganseppy5180 Not really... she is an average fighter for a girl; any one of the old man cast would kick her ass... also her "acting" was so laughably bad that it pulls you out of the film. "Expendables 3" was not very good, but Rousey makes it unwatchable.

[@morganseppy5180]

@@sandman_says_runrunner4701 so you agree that she's a professional fighter. 👍

[@morganseppy5180]

@@thee_morpheus yep, def agree. They carved out a niche, one that I'd argue ppl didn't know they wanted,. And then said, Naaaah lets fall back on filling the movie with young nobodies.

[@piningbuck]

You should totally do a rambo first blood review. One of my favorite films ever

[@sharpno2pencil476]

0:15 AHAHAHAHA that’s great I love that

[@onurbuken3641]

all we need is DOM to somehow drive his car into the movie and say 'FOR THE FAMILY...'

[@Scott.Sandifer]

Imagine if this franchise had been done like a _Galaxy Quest_ or even _The Three Amigos_ action comedy. Classic 80's action stars thrown into a situation where they have to be heroic, but of course they're just actors. Out of their element. There could have been so many in-jokes and 80's/90's references with wonderful meta references to modern Hollywood. Just as bloody and crazy, but it could've been so much more fun.

[@paulwilson6357]

Dunno, I think the comparisions to Tropic Thunder would be its downfall there, but I know what you're saying.

[@keithroberts9869]

Unfortunately, Three Amigos! could never be made these days without being completely watered down to the point where it wouldn't be funny.

[@paulwilson6357]

@@keithroberts9869 And would probably have Will Ferrell shouting as one of the Amigos.

[@crankfastle8138]

@@paulwilson6357 will ferrel, Duane Johnson, and Kevin Hart. It'll be awful.

[@julesmasseffectmusic]

You can't do three amigos withou6 3 comedians who are good with physical comedy, wit, absurdity and can dance/gymnast. Name 3 from today's comedians.

[@Ghosy01]

I went to the cinemas and fell asleep after sly “died” I don’t even remember what the rest of the movie is like . Maybe for the best .

[@tiia9164]

Drinker really hit me right in the nostalgia with those old 80's and 90's action movies. Terminator and Predator are both my favorites', ever since my childhood. I remember watching them but not their names so much, anyone have an recommendations? I'm tired of modern movies lol

[@HeisenbergFam]

"embarassing wet fart" is such a golden title I can imagine Drinker saying it

[@DescendingVelocity]

He does say it. You should watch the videos before trying to bait top comment.

[@derpyhead3414]

Bro posted this comment within seconds of the upload😭

[@donkeysunited]

7:55

[@bighand1530]

@@derpyhead3414. Title stands out though.

[@benjaminjonathanjamessisko7095]

Sounds like a Prog Rock/Jazz/Funk band from the late 1960's.

[@maxrieker1591]

I started to actually laugh at how bad the CGI was in the opening scene, I leaned over to my mom and asked how this wasn’t a direct release to DVD/Streaming.

[@michaelallen555]

Because the others weren't.

[@kuribayashi84]

„Fun“ fact: Antonio Banderas was originally slated to reprise his role as Galgo from the previous movie but when he turned out to be unavailable, the character was rewritten into that of Galan.

[@emghee2510]

Damn. I didn't even know there was a 3rd movie, let alone a 4th. Oh how the mighty have fallen.