Expert Reveals Why Carnivore with Honey, Fruit & Liver May Make You Sick - Dr. Richard Johnson

Hey guys!
I've been waiting to share this very important discussion with Dr. Richard Johnson for a long time! This discussion is critical for every meat-based carnivore, especially if you also eat organ meats, alcohol, honey, and/or fruit. Make sure to also check out my thoughts with @lauraespath on Cutting Against the Grain: www.buzzsprout...
Dr. Johnson has published over 700 studies and is a professor of medicine at the University of Colorado. He is also a clinician, educator, and researcher. He is board-certified in internal medicine, infectious diseases, and kidney disease and is the founding editor of Comprehensive Clinical Nephrology, one of the main textbooks on kidney disease. For more than 20 years, he has led research on the cause of obesity and diabetes, with special interest in the role of sugar (especially fructose) and uric acid. His research has been highly cited, published in top medical journals, and supported by grants from the National Institutes of Health. He is the author of The Sugar Fix and The Fat Switch. Dr. Johnson lives in Colorado with his wife, kids, and two rambunctious puppies.
We discuss the following:
5:00 Kidney and the role with High BP (introduction)
7:38 Different kinds of sugars we consume and where they’re metabolized
9:45 How Glucose converts to fructose in the body (polyol pathway)
15:22 What is uric acid, purines, nitrogen and meat
19:14 For Gout, what’s worse: fructose, purines or alcohol?
21:52 Fruits and Carnivore
25:02 Can we eat too much fruit?
26:41 Honey a health food?
27:52 What if you can tolerate fructose and appear healthy? Athletes? (Para feeding study)
34:43 How fructose is the only sugar that reduces cell energy
37:46 Why nature wants us to be fat (fructose and fat storage)
41:14 What makes us obese
42:12 Why meat-based diets (with very limited carbs) may work
42:59 Why organ meats like liver aren't ideal and how livers store toxins
48:35 Liver health testing
51:15 Why fruit drinks and fructose liquids are harmful
53:48 Uric acid levels
57:12 Higher uric acid levels on a ketogenic diet
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[@NutritionwithJudy]

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[@karlurbach7635]

How can I schedule a consultation with you, Judy?

[@philodice]

I've been carnivore for 3 years, steadily becoming more strict. A couple months ago I finally fully quit coffee and alcohol. Finally, the ankle pain that never fully healed is rapidly vanishing. My left ankle hurt for 15 years and now I can sleep without a brace on because I fully quit drinking wine, whiskey, and rum.

[@moonglow6507]

Can you share how to help quit the coffee too?

[@FOURTEEFIVE]

@@moonglow6507 look up dopamine fasting. stick it out for four days and you will be cured from most addictions.

[@jenniferrobertson7303]

@@moonglow6507 Cold turkey.

[@cherylh4688]

@@FOURTEEFIVE Yes, that even worked for me with a 4-pack-a-day smoking addiction! Piled junk food on my bed, filled a mini fridge w food, shut off my phone (in the days before internet & smart phones) & didn't leave my room for 3 days! Just me, my TV & my snacks, lol! And every time I wanted a cig, I would either take a deep breath, eat or drink something. And on the 4th day, when I reemerged from my isolation, the nicotine addiction was GONE & what remained was just the psychological aspect of the addiction - the habit - which I then could deal with, again using deep breaths or snack foods. And it worked perfectly! 38 years without a cigarette! Ofc, I gained 15 lbs the first month & now am 100 lbs overweight. But can't even remember when I last wanted a cig, lol! But that's the tricky part. The psych need that drives us towards addictions is much harder to overcome. Best to find a safe substitute you can reach for whenever those emotional triggers are activated. Dr. Cywes, the "carb addiction doc" has some great videos on how to achieve this. I'm no longer addicted to cigs OR carbs. But don't take KZbin away from me! 🤣🤣🤣

[@cherylh4688]

@@CommodoreGrayum Despite my own tale of going "cold turkey," I think yours are great suggestions! That's sort of how my mother quit a 50 yr smoking addiction: going to weaker & weaker brands. Ofc, having had a heart attack also provided her w strong motivation. (I tried that first too but without strong motivation, & I just kept tearing off the filters!🤣) Yet, still, if hers is actually an addiction to the coffee, then there are also undoubtedly psych factors underlying it that will be seeking a replacement. So again, I would definitely listen to some of Dr. Cywes's videos on carb addiction for some great advice on how to safely replace any problem substance or practice before beginning your great suggestions for gently letting go.

[@alexandraadams2070]

After using intermittent fasting for a few years and losing a little over 100 lbs, I was still experiencing great gastric problems, sleep issues, fatigue and brain fog. I was taking all kinds of supplements as well. I wasn't keto because my cravings were too strong and I knew I wouldn't stick but at least with the IF, I did lose weight. The carnivore diet was very radical to me but I was intrigued by it so I started watching videos and reading comments of those who were practicing it and what really got me was the fact that they were all experiencing great relief with their digestive issues that were even worse than mine. That was the tipping point and I dove in just this past Mother's Day. Astonishing would be an understatement! All of my digestive issues are 99% gone...just unbelievable!!! No more probiotics, pre-biotics or any other supplements that didn't work for me any way. I'm sleeping better, feeling so strong like I can do anything physically that I want and at 66, I'm def loving that!!! My skin is glowing...recently had developed a case of eczema and that is gone, my vision has even improved! What kind of magic is this? I'm able to fast 72 hrs at a time now without hunger!!! Incredible!! I'm eating fish, chicken, beef, pork, eggs and a bit of cheese once in a while. Just drinking sparkling water, black coffee and tea. I take electrolytes also. My appetite is almost non-existent, lol! No cravings of any kind. It's just remarkable! And I love fruits/veggies but never thought I'd feel so good without them and I don't miss them or feel like I'm missing anything so far. I haven't weighed myself since I started but I can definitely see that I have lost inches, if not pounds. I can't see going back...what for? If I don't develop any kind of problems, I won't. I'd like to see if I can add back some veggies/fruit eventually, just to see if I react, but otherwise, I am good. I figure if eating all the junk I've eaten for decades didn't kill me, cutting them all out for good food can't be bad. I feel better than I have in at least 10 years. It's my new happy place!

[@Ricky_85000]

This is exactly my story, I’m so happy for you. I’m going into my 8th month and feeling strong. Can’t see myself going back to the SAD diet anytime soon! Good luck and God bless.

[@alexandraadams2070]

@@Ricky_85000 Thank you so much! Congrats on your success! 🙂

[@szymonbaranowski8184]

Brave you. Congrats

[@alexandraadams2070]

@@szymonbaranowski8184 Thank you so much!!! Will be celebrating birthday #67 a week from today and I really feel that I have a healthy future now!

[@Luciana-Superluci-Marchi]

coffee and tea...typical SAD addiction.

[@mikerudd4943]

He has a unique way of making complex issues easy to understand

[@unitedintraditions]

If you read the paper you discover that they used pure fructose and not fruit. When I was juicing I got a severe case of gout. But when I ate the whole fruit with the fibre and not just the fructose I never got gout again.

[@Legacytierstrategies]

What are you getting from fruit? Fiber?

[@SparklingRubies]

Thank you for reading the paper! This was my suspicion!

[@nataliajimenez1870]

If you listen to his other talks, he mentions how most whole fruits are ok because the fiber slows down the absorption of fructose (there are still some fruits that are worse like figs, grapes and mangoes because they are extremely sweet).

[@susancarr8998]

@@Legacytierstrategies yes.

[@SeaSaltPop]

Thank you Judy for this interview! I bought your book when it was first released and I’ve been spending a lot of time reading it lately. When the carnivore lifestyle seems tough, reading over the glyphosate chapter really helps reinforce why I am doing this, for me and my family.

[@NutritionwithJudy]

Thank you. It's not always easy and when you are ready, you can figure out what you want to safely add back. Meat-only doesn't have to be forever but it can be life-changing as you heal.

[@denisedecker7330]

@@NutritionwithJudy it's forever for me and that is fine. I've got too much damage from breaks and SAD to regress.

[@NutritionwithJudy]

@@denisedecker7330 forever works for most and that’s completely fine ♥️

[@CarnivoreRonin]

It is very interesting to hear varied opinions and hypotheses from differing points of view. I don't do fruit or honey on my carnivore but I eat liver regularly, typically 2-3 times per week. I feel better when I add in the organ meats and I love them personally. If I didn't feel good eating them I'd stop. I am fully invested in my own N of 1 study personally, but I really enjoy hearing what works for others as well.

[@NutritionwithJudy]

If you feel well with zero fructose and a few ounces of liver a week, you might be okay. It's very individualized. I don't usually recommend more than 1-2 oz a week. But that's taking a general approach and for some of my clients, the recommended amount is zero.

[@emh8861]

Me too . I feel better on organ meats .

[@spaceghost8995]

One the very best most useful talks I have heard in three years of studying low carb online. I will listen to this several times because there is a lot of info here.

[@thecapitan1981]

This is great stuff. I am impressed with Dr. Johnson's work. Like a good physician he doesn't just look at lab values. He looks at context and nuance which I as a physician myself feel is sorely lacking in many in our field. Great talk

[@puidemare2337]

Eating is not that complicated. My granny, my dad, ate everything except processed foods. They cooked everything themselves. They never over ate. My dad even smoked and had a drink with dinner every night. He worked well into his 70s with no problem. They never took meds and were healthy all their life. Health is not just what you put in your body, there is a spiritual aspect, emotional aspect, sense of purpose aspect. You can eat all the "correct" foods you want but that won't guarantee good health or a disease free life. Stress is the number one cause of many health issues and dis-ease.

[@CatWoman6]

Eating is actually very complicated for People with stomach illness and Chronic Illnesses. I actually have Gastroparesis and my stomach doesn't make acids so all food causes my body to get sick on some level.

[@denisedecker7330]

Muscle and sleep is also very important. I work in a prison with long-term offenders. Many of them have horrible diets but they do work out and sleep. Over 6,000 cytokines ...

[@doctorscientist3991]

Working well into your 70s is not a picture of health. I know people working into their 80s semi alcoholic on a standard western diet.

[@ronelmy4081]

@@doctorscientist3991 I was working with spray paints occasionally and I had a friend say, "you're going to die of cancer". Later I asked a painter about this and he said he worked with latex in a sprayer and pointed to a spray can and said "they are pretty bad." As my head sank with my countenance he put his hand on my shoulder and said, "don't worry about it,...90% of people who die actually die of stress." He is correct. Everyone is always worrying about diet and exercise and on and on. Worry is actually stress.

[@denisedecker7330]

@@CatWoman6 have you tried zypan. Did wonders for increasing my acid. Animal based

[@joggermac]

Great interview Judy. Reminds me of Professor Tim Noakes's experience, he was a 2.5 hour national team marathon runner for South Africa I think. At that time (decades ago) the mantra was to eat carbs, carbs and more carbs for energy. He was obviously very fit and slim but when he looked back at his medical test results many years later he found out that he was pre-diabetic....

[@JulioMacarena]

Noakes is also awesome. :)

[@JulioMacarena]

Love the way this guy explains stuff. Also, Judy, I think you're amazing. You do such a great job of guiding these interviews - including taking notes and accurately summarising every now and then. Great stuff! :)

[@shelley4417]

Brilliant !! I have thoroughly enjoyed this interview thank you both 🤩I always learn so much on this channel 👏👏

[@NutritionwithJudy]

Thank you!

[@seanveach950]

This is still a debate of where each individual is on the health spectrum. Being metabolically healthy allows for a lot of room to play with the diet, whereas being damaged puts people in a situation where care has to be taken.

[@torosbadasskin6420]

Judy I appreciate you making these videos...

[@wendywertz8828]

There are no “ experts “ that know what is best for our bodies ….. only we know what’s best as we are all unique

[@deansharpe7499]

We all are the same species. It's like saying that some lions would be better eating vegan, or some cows would be better eating meat. This unique opinion is just that.

[@Legacytierstrategies]

Sugar is a hell of a drug.

[@vidalskyociosen3326]

Saladino and Dunkov will disagree but it doesn’t matter as long you buy their supplements.

[@sammcrae8892]

Not THAT unique. We're All far more alike than we are different. But do what you want to do.

[@DrAJ_LatinAmerica]

Great conversation!! Love to see Dr. Johnson's cupboards at his home and see his diet. Also interesting to see his photos at the beach. Always fun to see those who live a life they try to teach to others or if they are just acting as a teacher without acting as a leader by example. I have hired / interviewed many registered dietitians and certified nutritionists as well as doctors. It is amazing how many are obese or can't drop and do 50 pushups. I too lost balance in life till I discovered time in the gym was equally critical as time in the university or lab or in our studying. Always great to see Dr. Saladino trying to live a bountiful life till he dies.

[@NutritionwithJudy]

Just because you advocate for something doesn't mean you are perfect. And in the same vein, just because someone looks perfect, doesn't mean they are all 100% perfect in their life. The internet shows 1% of people's lives, even influencers. Let's not conflate internet life with real-life or that knowledge, teachings and expertise makes it any easier to live it in real life. Almost everyone that tries drugs, knows they arent good for them.

[@DrAJ_LatinAmerica]

@@NutritionwithJudy just saying we have to be the examples and have to at least be working on being an example of health / fitness. We have all seen the obese health care workers, it is sad. Who wants to go to a blind surgeon? Then in the same tone, why go to any health care worker (dietician, nutritionist, doctor..) who is blind to a mirror? Totally agree, no one perfect, not even close, not asking for anyone to be perfect. I have had my past with obesity while studying, traveling and working 90 hours a week. It happens, then we make changes. Sit out, take time out. While making changes we go sit on the bench and let others be the examples till we are once again ready to be an example. We need to add physical standards to our profession same with all professionals in the public eye. Trust me, I beat up my obese police buddies as well. Give them the tools, support, information and still Friday night eating chips and drinking beer, sad. The only thing we can do is to force and implement standards for the benefit of everyone. You and I had to pass a test to graduate, why not year tests for health? Blood work, run a 10 minute mile, 50 pushups, .... Something. No, I don't have the exact answers, just interesting to see so many pushing health and not trying to be healthy. Not picking on any one person just in general in our industry. Come on, you too have seen those people trying to promote health but eating chocolate cake

[@DeoLightLife]

This is one of the best nutrition videos I’ve seen. Thank you

[@seanveach950]

From day one of finding carnivore, eating fruits made sense to me, but only in seasonal type situations and quantities. Ancestrally we would not have had any large quantities year around. Eating fruit to signal fattening up for winter makes a ton of sense. It also makes a lot of sense to me that meals would have been highly variable in timing and quantity and nutrition. All things to think about when wanting to eat how we have done for hundreds of thousands to millions of years to get where we are today. Grocery stores really disrupt that whole 'natural' rhythm to life!

[@seanveach950]

@@ecr-9341 Our foundations are somewhere in the 2-4 million year range according to all I have read over years. You are welcome to correct me with details if you have them. The entire journey counts when we talk about what we are now compared to what we were once.

[@seanveach950]

@@ecr-9341 Unless you want to believe we were spliced, which I am not opposed to, but even then we evolved to specific pressures before that. There were no goalposts moved here at all. Please go on with details instead of word puzzles that mean nothing, my kids make better arguments and quite frankly are more interesting to talk to if you are going to just be an ass.

[@longshanks5531]

Sure certain humans recent ancestors had fruit all year round, esp at the equator or below….

[@van123446]

So much more to learn... appreciate that you offered your uric acid levels. I too never had an issue with gout until I did with two closely spaced episodes. And probably to reiterate,, I used to eat liver, kidney and testicles daily, and did notice, after some admittance, that ua levels increased when those organs were eaten. But it was also significant if I ate enough meat without the organs. My method for detecting, was to simply collect my urine and observe after letting it sit for a few hours, sometimes immediately. When it was really high I could feel it when I would pass urine. I'm guessing that Vit A toxity from the organs led to high levels and most likely metabolic damage. And again, with a cultured milk diet predominately, I have zero uric acid detectable in my urine, and quickly, if not immediately relieved some VERY painful toe and knee gout pains. And lately, as he suggested, I have nagging thoughts as to where else besides my toe and knee have those crystals deposited? My guess, like oxalate acid... we're going to learn quite a bit more in the near future. thanks so much for your perseverance when it comes to tackling these sensitive subjects.

[@phoebeo780]

I just ordered your book Judy. Thank you so much for all that you do. ❤️

[@jasminenash9142]

Wow, fantastic interview! Thanks for sharing this one!

[@nancykowalczyk2070]

Always, appreciate your newsletters & posts. Thank you for clear, concise information that we can use to make educated choices.

[@Crushin123]

I am a new-ish carnivore - i went 100% (and i mean 100%) red meat, liver, chicken hearts, pork kidney, eggs, some dairy...I felt my energy level as stable and always available..but..i didn't have that explosive energy...so i literally started adding a handful of fruit every other day. It has made remarkable wonders for me personally. I haven't felt this good in over a DECADE. I am a 50 yr old male that used to walk around with a six-pack - without trying. I hit 40, and I got a back injury and my health deteriorated. (physically and mentally) Blood work: Total C - 8.2, HDL .71 mmol/L, LDL 4.48 mmol/L, Tri's 1.42 mmol/L, Uric Acid is 388 Umol/L.. these seem to be my common numbers since my mid 20's. I did keto, paleo, carnivore-ish...never seems to affect my results. Can all this evidence and information be on an average basis, and not necessarily for everyone? My 73 yr old father has similar blood work numbers and he eats like a garbage can. How can I have done so many differing 'diets' without differing results in my blood? Is it just a hereditary thing? Since going carnivore, I have seen nothing but positive results...and no..not following the band wagon. I am smart enough to pay attention to my body. I am close to 6ft, my pre 40yr old self, was a consistent 185lb muscular frame. After my broken back and current stenosis and spondylosis issues, plus the 10 yrs of misery of not being able to do things I enjoyed...I woke up one day, and was 246lbs! (and I didn't grow to 6'8") Thinking I was developing asthma, I went to a lung specialist (also because i had atypical pneumonia a few months prior), and I was convinced I had asthma - the lady doc, did my BP and all the things - then says...I do have mild asthma...but losing 40lbs should help substantially. I was embarrassed and shocked that I had let myself go like that. ...anyway, unable to exercise properly, due to my back flaws....I had to do something...so, I found this carnivore world and jumped in 'cold turkey'. It's THE easiest diet/lifestyle I have ever done. I am scheduled for more blood within a week...be interesting in comparing to see if anything has drastically changed. I know that I am around 212lbs now - so THAT should help some things. lol Great content - and thanks for the additional information.

[@lvciddd.]

Hi please let me know your results I’m so interested

[@Crushin123]

@@lvciddd. You bet. I actually forgot I wrote that message - this morning at 5am, I did my weekly 'weigh in'....198lbs. I am so close to my normal goal weight WITHOUT trying. I just cut out seeds, grains, oils, most veggies and anything that i question COULD be bad, I just avoid. Meal prep is key for me. I make a bunch of extra meat at dinner, then pack it for my lunch the next day. (SO much cheaper than buying lunch) I did blood work yesterday morning - so I can compare numbers once I get the results back. (a few days). As for supplements etc., I DO go against the norm (i think), and I take a 'once a day' vitamin that is sugar free. I prob don't HAVE too - but it shuts down a lot of the BS that my family asks...soon as I tell them I take vitamins, they stop asking the common questions. Since this first message, I have lowered even more amounts of daily dairy - I MIGHT have a couple tablespoons of plain greek yogurt a week total. I was having a spoonful a day before. I eat an apple a day now - with great results. I still have an intolerance to pork - I get stomach pains and bloat badly, unless its cured properly. (i think many people have an intolerance to pork). I can do a follow-up message once i get my blood work results back if you're interested. Cheers

[@Crushin123]

Follow-up: If anyone cares. 190lbs down from 246lbs, (still not exercising)...eating the same things still: lots of red meat, bone broth soup (from boiling real bones)....i have added some spices - yeah i knoooow. lol..but I use oregano, garlic, lots of salt and sometimes basil. - it doesn't affect my digestive tract, and keeps me focused on good tasting food. I have been able to tolerate pork belly now....which i believe isn't cured...so..that must mean my digestion is better(?).... I poop pretty regularly with NO straining - every other day. BP is consistent around 117/75....and my doc did a video call appt, saying that ALL my blood numbers all came back with nothing out of 'normal range' except my iron is still high - which has been the same for decades. He is sending me the numbers this week., which i can share if anyone wants. As for things I have noticed: PROS: I just FEEL like the younger version of me again. More energy, more focus, less pain, outstanding libido, and just winning in general. CONS: I do tend to miss ice cream and peanut butter sandwiches - actually just sandwiches in general. When i do, I eat something fatty - (leftover meats) and it stops the cravings. The next day however, I get out of the shower and see myself naked and it makes it all worthwhile for avoiding the temptation for the crap foods. You have to WANT to do this, YOU have to make the right choices...are you going to let your brain train wreck you into eating crap? Hell NO. Do you want to live longer in a healthier state - physically and mentally? Ya can't do that eating poison. Hopefully, some of this info helps someone.

[@faith3710]

@@Crushin123 thanks for sharing and thanks for the little motivational talk at the end much appreciated

[@Luciana-Superluci-Marchi]

You re not carnivore

[@stephenn3727]

I eat liver and sardines everyday and have been doing so for years. I am in perfect condition and exercise daily. 52yrs old .

[@sirgeoh]

I want to eat sardines daily too but am concerned about the heavy metals. Have you ever been tested for heavy metals?

[@cpg8000]

I know some smokers in their 50s that haven’t developed cancer [yet]. I guess it is t harmful then?

[@energeticsoulhealer888]

Just remember, it only takes one drop to over fill the bucket...

[@craigslitzer4857]

@@sirgeoh The smaller, short-lived fish low on the food chain don't get much opportunity to collect heavy metals compared to other types of fish. Sardines are a great choice of fish to eat to lessen these risks.

[@JurijPopotnig]

@@craigslitzer4857 But didn't Joe Rogan say he got increased heavy metal levels from eating sardines? I guess it's more about from where they come and it's always good to be cautious.

[@anavonrebeur6121]

Sardines are always the miracle food: not only high in calcium, potassium and magnesium.but also lowering your uric acid.

[@MOAB-UT]

Great interview. Judy does a nice job and Dr. Johnson shared important information- especially about uric acid, gout and fruit. He basically says take it easy on fruit- if you eat it, eat whole fruit and spread it out; don't drink juice. Best to avoid organ meats like liver. I always thought that combining sugar and proteins is not a good idea (Glycation) though they didn't really address that. Judy- if you/your family eats fruit, it should be consumed BEFORE eating meat. It digests very quickly. You do not want it stuck behind the meat. 50:25 though to his point and the concentration factor, having something in your stomach might slow down the absorption. Meat however is probably not the best choice.

[@prayerblack]

A Debate And Discussion With Paul Saladino'd Be Interesting

[@jasmine-rojas]

Health info drives me 🍌 🍌 ! " Liver is good!" " No, wait!..... liver is baaad!" You're on your own!

[@evacura509]

Judy thank you for your kind heart especially in educating us

[@conway649]

Recently discovered Judy looking for Dr. Perlmutter. This podcast is spectacular too. So informing. I’m 4 years Keto/ketovore and kept gout at bay mostly. Then in late December I ingested copious amounts of honey (from a local farmer’s market) and within days had the most horrific gout attacks of my life in my knees and ankles. I don’t know if for sure causal but def an association and Dr. Johnson’s interview here seems to back that up. I like Paul Saladino but I’ll be listening to Judy more now than him. New fan here.

[@JohnQPublic345]

Every old dead relative of mine, born in 1800s or early 1900s, almost all lived to 100. They ate pure lard, meats and fats, butter, sweets, breads, vegetables. I think there's another issue here, like GMO and glyphosate ridden vegetables and antibiotic loaded meats

[@SG-ji5ij]

Agreed. Plus the bread we eat in the U.S. is not the same wheat of our ancestors. In the 90's the U.S. switched to a hybridized wheat which contains 14 new strands of gluten that weren't in the wheat prior to 1990, that is totally foreign to humans. Gluten related issues anyone? It doesn't matter if the wheat product you purchase is organic or some other variety...all wheat products sold in the U.S. are the new hybrid wheat. Guess this is why we never heard of anyone with a "gluten intolerance" before 1990.

[@JohnQPublic345]

@@SG-ji5ij I'm really sick right now. Pain in left stomach. B1 deficiency too. Used to eat a lot of grains, bread, cereal ....no more

[@paulhagen1002]

the relative % of calories from non-animal sources was likely very low

[@lf7065]

@@SG-ji5ij Where did you learn this info? It is really interesting. I have never heard that mentioned before by anyone.

[@SG-ji5ij]

@@lf7065 It is very interesting and true. I read it in one of two books, "Grain Brain" or "Wheat Belly". Remember the old saying "Amber waves of grain"? That was the original wheat before 1990. It was a taller, thinner wheat stock. The new hybridized wheat is short in stature with a larger wheat head. Drive down any country road wuh a wheat field and you'll see for yourself. The original wheat has been 100% replaced by the hybridized wheat.

[@visco154]

I've been eating Carnivore for over 2 years. It has improved my life.

[@h.o.j2375]

Thank you for this interview, this answered so many questions I had. I’ve been on Keto since October 2021 and recently switched to carnivore as I was still suffering from gut issues and allergies, am also very sensitive to histamine. I started eating chicken liver once I started carnivore but only twice a week as I was aware of the risk of OD on vitamin A.

[@bstring3967]

Interesting, honestly just the taste alone makes it so I can’t eat liver much at all lol. I’d gladly just eat meat if that solved the gut pain but the transition period into carnivore is really tough maybe since I used to be vegan I don’t have the strength in my stomach to break it down.

[@MrMadalien]

@@bstring3967 trust your body, nutrition is related to flavor, there is a reason why zinc changes taste depending on your body's need for it, this is true for everything. To me liver tastes horrible, so I know my body does not need it often.

[@bstring3967]

@@MrMadalien yea good recommendation. Two bites of liver typically and I’m done and out, maybe one bite sometimes and definitely none most times tbh.

[@MarmaladeINFP]

From "The Agricultural Mind": Fructose is not like other sugars. This was important for early hominid survival and so shaped human evolution. It might have played a role in fasting and feasting. In 100 Million Years of Food, Stephen Le writes that, “Many hypotheses regarding the function of uric acid have been proposed. One suggestion is that uric acid helped our primate ancestors store fat, particularly after eating fruit. It’s true that consumption of fructose induces production of uric acid, and uric acid accentuates the fat-accumulating effects of fructose. Our ancestors, when they stumbled on fruiting trees, could gorge until their fat stores were pleasantly plump and then survive for a few weeks until the next bounty of fruit was available” (p. 42). That makes sense to me, but he goes on to argue against this possible explanation. “The problem with this theory is that it does not explain why only primates have this peculiar trait of triggering fat storage via uric acid. After all, bears, squirrels, and other mammals store fat without using uric acid as a trigger.” This is where Le’s knowledge is lacking for he never discusses ketosis that has been centrally important for humans unlike other animals. If uric acid increases fat production, that would be helpful for fattening up for the next starvation period when the body returned to ketosis. So, it would be a regular switching back and forth between formation of uric acid that stores fat and formation of ketones that burns fat. That is fine and dandy under natural conditions. Excess fructose on a continuous basis, however, is a whole other matter. It has been strongly associated with metabolic syndrome. One pathway of causation is that increased production of uric acid. This can lead to gout (wrongly blamed on meat) but other things as well. It’s a mixed bag. “While it’s true that higher levels of uric acid have been found to protect against brain damage from Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, and multiple sclerosis, high uric acid unfortunately increases the risk of brain stroke and poor brain function” (Le, p. 43). The potential side effects of uric acid overdose are related to other problems I’ve discussed in relation to the agricultural mind. “A recent study also observed that high uric acid levels are associated with greater excitement-seeking and impulsivity, which the researchers noted may be linked to attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD)” (Le, p. 43). The problems of sugar go far beyond mere physical disease. It’s one more factor in the drastic transformation of the human mind.

[@IndigoAwakener]

The human body is SO fascinating, our troubles come in when we continually try and be smarter than Mother Nature. Thank You very much Judy, for another thought provoking, informative interview! 💖

[@NutritionwithJudy]

We should eat animals as they come. I firmly believe that. But then we should also live the lifestyles that nature also intended.

[@engc4953]

Hi Judy, I just recently discovered you and really enjoyed this interview, thank you. Fascinating how glucose can be transformed into fructose.

[@jimmysmad]

That was really good thanks Judy👍

[@BiggieCheese45]

Glucose and the activation of the polyol pathway is interesting. I did not know it converts glucose into Sorbitol into fructose, thus more uric acid. I like your interviews and the guests you have on Judy, I have never learned so much :)

[@MysticButterfly9]

I am 2 yrs carnivore and tried Paul Saladino's way of eating fruit and honey and it did NOT work for me at all. I immediately went back to meat only. I don't understand how he can promote eating honey and fruit on a carnivore diet it spikes blood sugar ?

[@NutritionwithJudy]

Not sure, it may not for him but the truth is most of the world (especially the U.S.) is obese, insulin resistant and/or diabetic. So if we are trying to help many, it's likely not the best advice.

[@k41418]

Is reactive hypoglycemia a sign of I insulin resistance? My a1c and glucose are all good actually lower when eating carbs but I actually struggle with low blood sugars if I fast or got more then 3 hrs without eating even on carnivore. But I'm one point above "low" so drs wont do anything to further investigate. Liver, kidneys and gallbladder all healthy but I have low pancreatic enzyme so not sure if that plays a role. So I actually feel very fatigued on carnivore.

[@bozidarsadak]

If you are metabolically healthy blood sugar spikes are not a problem as I understood. Paul eats like the Hadza tribe with whom he has been living for a while and learning from them. I was a keto/carnivore for 2y and 4 months and I felt very good but exhausted all the time. Then I started eating fruit, honey, raw dairy as Paul suggested and I feel quite good. I didnt watch this video for the lack of time but its really interesting these different views of carnivore people. As Paul said fructose in an isolated form which was used in some studies is the problem. Fructose in the whole food matrix behaves differently. Why do Hadza tribe people eat fruit and honey whenever they can find it? I dont know...It would be a logical fallacy to say that its ok to eat fruit and honey because Hadza eat it but then again they are hunter gatherers and if they dont worry about blood sugar spikes and fructose...its good enough for me...

[@vickimacpherson2040]

I added honey and fruit after watching Paul and straight away became bloated and gained weight, also had depression creep back

[@jillherrmann1918]

@@vickimacpherson2040 could be because you added too much too soon.

[@anjoliaisenbrey6456]

So interesting! I really appreciate this conversation on organ meats and liver in particular. It makes me think of our body knowing what is good for it or not. I cannot stand the taste of liver but was adding in small amounts of beef to mask the taste because there’s another group of people who say it’s necessary. But perhaps my taste buds rejecting it is a protective mechanism? Interesting to ponder. I’m guessing beef liver caps should also be avoided then?

[@ClassicJukeboxBand]

Thank you Judy! Dr Johnson will also be on Jimmy Moore tomorrow at 8am.

[@NutritionwithJudy]

OH! how fun!

[@Amanda.c91]

why doesn't saladino want to come speak with you?? would be a great convo. he loves his fruit and honey...

[@5solas743]

Interesting. Being convinced early on by a certain carnivore doc in my carnivore journey that I absolutely must eat organ meats to fill in the nutritional gaps I have a freezer full of heart, liver, and kidney. I have been eating liver once or twice a week but never really felt good after eating it. I just figured maybe this feeling was all part of the transition. I know differently now. Thanks Judy!

[@trumusereviews5195]

I believe if you’re physically active then honey + fruit is a must on a meat based diet. I’ve tried it without it and it was miserably unsustainable for me. But, I do train intensely on a regular basis. I think the timing & total amount of fruit+honey you eat needs to be strategic. I’d say you’d need to eat carbs pre/post exercise predominately sense that’s when they’d be the most utilized and lighter portions w other meals if desired. But, like you said in the video keeping the serving sizes reasonable and remembering it’s not always how you look or how you feel. Underlying issues can be there and we must be aware of that.

[@starcic770]

In my country evry child knows. You put liver in milk overnight.before you eat it.

[@joylynnbaker]

What does that do to it?

[@bobbynir2893]

Carnivore with honey and fruit is not carnivore at all ..

[@mohamedabdullah8266]

I'm a medical student read his kidney book this guy is a genius

[@KenWang2]

The Randle Cycle causes obesity not fructose. Fats plus carbs.

[@dianasthings729]

Ancient Man, ate meat and fruit.. . Honey keeps my seasonal allergies away. Been taking it for years. 1 tsp is 6 grams of carb.

[@systemtrend3194]

Great topic. I was taking like 12-18 organ supplement pills a day that all contained liver but have stopped since.

[@MarmaladeINFP]

I have a variety of organ supplement pills. But, other than the one for joints, I don't take them every day.

[@InstituteOfLos]

KZbin algorithm: Your video is suggested one day after watching CarnivoreMD's "The benefits of consuming fruit as a primary carb source" in which he discusses the advantages adding fruit and honey to his carnivore diet. Now I'm confused :)

[@energeticsoulhealer888]

No need to be confused. Paul Saladino needs to defend his liver because that's how he makes his living. His supplements all have liver in them. His own liver and thyroid problems were caused by his liver intake, and instead of admitting to it, he's now on his hadza fruit and honey kick, again because he lost all objectivity once he started making money. He's a joke. Fruit&honeyMD/fructoseMD. He's no longer a carnivore, so his name is even a lie...

[@genz2380]

Okay why not buy actual organic pastured raised grass finished liver instead of some supplements?

[@tallisholowka3946]

It is confusing, but my take away is listen to your own body...the metabolic/nutritional needs of people can vary. Maybe start with pure carnivore and if after a while you feel imbalance, try adding a bit of honey and/or fruit. Dr. Saladino is not a hack--he's just sharing his journey which includes these modifications.

[@ostinspace]

Fruit makes me more hungry, I tend to stick to red meat sardines and my carb source is white rice around the workout window.

[@tigertalks1567]

Fruit makes mu hungry as well, especially apples!

[@cindyr4459]

The liver is not a filter, it's more like a converter. Of course, you wouldn't want to eat an unhealthy liver (as you wouldn't want to eat unhealthy meat or rotten plants) and you can overdose. It's full of nutrients, it's a real superfood. You can have too much. But small amounts from grass-fed ruminants is great.

[@spaceghost8995]

Notice that no one ever eats spleen.

[@genz2380]

I actually eat spleen on the daily due to its high vitamin c content which can be tough to meet as a carnivore. I combine it with liver since most liver is not high in vit C. On other days I’ll do chicken liver instead which is high in both Vit a and C, I’ll combine it with kidney in that case. Just an ounce of 2 of these per day is more than enough .

[@spaceghost8995]

@@genz2380 Carnivores do not require much Vitamin C. No need to do that.

[@MS-ei4wl]

I don't understand the liver scare. You just add a portion to your plate now and then. Toxicity from vitamin A has been found in rare cases, mostly because of supplementation. Anyway, who eats too much liver every week that we need a scare? Most people I know will never touch the stuff. Teratology, Jan 1999 59(1):1-2 found that infants (!) exposed to more than 50,000 IU of vitamin A per day had no troubles. Good enough for me. The truth is that you don't have clear evidence against eating liver (where's the controlled research following people eating real food?), ergo the protest is just a point a view. I think you've been misled regarding this. And no, the liver does not store toxins. Thanks for the video.

[@NutritionwithJudy]

I'm pretty sure you didn't watch or listen to the content. 1) this isn't just about liver. 2) Dr. Saladino said himself in his stories that you can overdo too much liver (from food), 3) Dr. Johnson shared a story about fish and how you can store toxins in the liver. I highly recommend doing your own research before commenting the same comments I've heard for almost a year now. nutritionwithjudy.com/liver-and-risks-of-vitamin-a-toxicity/ The link has many studies that show vA toxicity is a real thing. 4) PS. This video wasn't even about vA.

[@MS-ei4wl]

@@NutritionwithJudy It seems that you took a lot of criticism already for this. I did watch the video, and i liked it except that part. All I'm saying is that some things are overplayed. One can focus on the evidence one prefers; one can make an argument for anything; there's a study for every point of view. Still, it doesn't mean there's enough evidence to be worried about eating some liver now and then. It's easier to overdo or overeat plenty of other nutrients.

[@becksbitofblue]

@@MS-ei4wl yes the liver stores toxins and also processed toxins. Liver disease. Liver is an huge factor in our health. Cleans our blood. It's an Oregon like all the others cleans our bodies. Worms also live in the Liver. So I agree be very careful what we eat.

[@uaebifvideo5472]

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[@johnny7808]

Hey Rick - Its been 11 years since your excellent 2011 discussion with Steve Phinney. Hoping you can do a part 2 soon!

[@pablo-z5e]

Why do you think Saladino promotes it?? because he likes carbs and is looking for a way to keep eating them guilt free? or is it something about profiting from something like soon to launch his own honey? I don't know... but I am curious how he never talks about the Randle Cycle for example....

[@NutritionwithJudy]

This isn't just about Paul. There are a large population of people that support the meat + liver + honey + fructose way of eating. I think they believe it makes them feel better (sugar-high) but not sure why he's never brought up the Randle Cycle too. He doesn't accept the liver vA toxicity research either so who knows.

[@uaebifvideo5472]

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[@jillherrmann1918]

@@NutritionwithJudy so, people who eat meat, liver, fruit and honey and feel good just THINK they feel good and everyone who eats pure carnivore and feels good REALLY feel good and aren't just thinking they feel good? What's the difference? Many people can and do feel good including liver and fruit in their diet. Many feel good eating strict carnivore. Why does it have to be one or the other?

[@antb3334]

@@jillherrmann1918 I can’t get over the fact that meat and fruit when looking at the western diet is being demonised. Surely this channel can’t be for people with healthy functioning guts

[@jillherrmann1918]

@@antb3334 people have been brainwashed to think all carbs are bad. It's the most misunderstood macro.

[@cathy3701]

Dr. Johnson is a terrific speaker. My question is when getting a comprehensive blood test, is Uris acid measured and if so, how would it be listed? As “Uric acid” or by some other name?

[@whiznot3028]

My CMP does't include uric acid sometimes denoted as UA on results. I'm going to request that test at my upcoming appointment.

[@kassandraclinch3688]

My nuclear family is carnivore. Me and my partner for two years and my kids for over a year. I am most strict because I’m still losing weight (so close to my goal and I feel great) but my partner and kids aren’t. The kids have fruit daily and treats at holidays. My partner regularly eats his feelings in gummies or chips because he’s thin and has always been able to balance. Observations: when my kids eat more fruit or a sugar treat, poop gets so gross and stinky (especially for the 2.5 year old in diapers)! They throw more fits and become grumpier. When my partner eats junk, he gets headaches and diarrhea which bother him minimally. The terrible breath is the worst part for me. My experience with a cheesecake lightly sweetened with honey and no crust at Christmas was terrible and I am happy with pork belly and eggs and ribs!

[@ckmaui]

58yr old carnivore ust over 2 yrs now lost over 100 lbs on carnivore in the first year I am 5’11” weight is now 175lbs and feeling like I am 30 again :) I was in super shape till my 40s and had a health issue with my lungs hit me no excuse got lazy at garbage after moving to mainland ! I have experimented quite a bit the last year finding my way often hear things like this and take it in and try and learn for sure this is all individual but good to get some ideas to investigate or check etc...

[@wendydomino]

I eat organ meats fairly often partly because liver and kidney are less expensive than muscle meat. I feel good but I do worry if maybe I'm overdoing it. Back before I went carnivore I learned that if I got to feeling really run down and unwell, especially after my periods, that if I ate liver it would pick me up again.

[@wendydomino]

@Taiwo Omotosho I'm of North European and West European heritage (white) so I'm not sure if that applies to me too. I don't make very much money and I do love the taste of organ meats and of course the price helps. They make me feel really energized and happy after eating them. I do worry about eating too much though. I imagine back in the day when a group of hunters took down a kill each hunter would get a bite of fresh liver, etc. but most of the meat from the carcass was muscle meat. So I am wondering exactly how much is too much.

[@anapadilla7133]

I feel amazing on moderate amt meat, organ meat, fruits and honey, low fat. I felt so sick on high fat moderate protein carnivore. 🤷‍♀️

[@williamdennis1537]

Geez Judy. I need a rubber stamp that says WOW! for your cast.

[@NutritionwithJudy]

I LOVE picking experts' brains and I hope you get to enjoy it too!

[@mrazik131]

@@NutritionwithJudy Enjoying and saving my kidneys as well, I was eating ton of mango, omg I'm so glad to hear this interview! Sending a big hug!

[@DiarioCarnivoro]

Paul Saladino won't like this video 🤣🤣

[@NutritionwithJudy]

I would hope he'd be open to evidence-based research. I know he's open to evolving so maybe this will bring more context.

[@van123446]

Judy, check out Peter Attia's The drive , interview with Dr. Johnson. it goes WAY deep and was fascinating to me,, worth the 1.5 hours

[@elizabethmarie96]

Boy if this isn't direct shade to CarnivoreMD lol! I've been thinking lately that he really is not looking his healthiest, and was wondering if his new way of eating is actually detrimental. So thank you for for addressing this!

[@bozidarsadak]

How is he not looking healthiest? He looks very good I think.

[@jillherrmann1918]

Could say the same about some carnivores too.

[@markaguilera493]

At least he's no longer suffering from electrolyte imbalance and feeling cold all the time, so that's already an improvement.

[@rbt5785]

I’ve followed him for a while and do agree with you

[@energeticsoulhealer888]

He has to use a filter in his videos. I think all that fructose is aging him.

[@JulioMacarena]

Hypervitaminosis is a thing. Polar bear livers are SO high in Vit A. You can even get Vit A hypervitaminosis from eating too many corrots (like blending them into smoothies).

[@bobbynir2893]

Too much fruit fructose is bad that’s what the professor stresses on ..polar bear liver is very high in vit A ..excess of anything is bad.. the title is slightly misleading ..

[@DrAJ_LatinAmerica]

Maybe the problem with his bodybuilder patient was steroids and insulin injections? Most top bodybuilders use insulin to drive size and muscle growth. I deal with a lot of bodybuilders / athletes and you always have to visit their house to actually see what is happening behind closed doors. Most athletes understand it is not about a long or healthy life as much as their desire to win, be famous, be better than others,.. high level sports are not healthy but very much a part of the human drive and spirit.

[@NutritionwithJudy]

I don't know if SHE would be injecting steroid. She was eating a lot of sugar though. But again, the point was that she looked 100% healthy outwardly and ended up being real sick. The outside doesn't always show the inside.

[@DrAJ_LatinAmerica]

@@NutritionwithJudy "she" yes, females inject just like the men. Right. We don't know. Be cool to find out. Bodybuilding is about winning at all cost, even the cost of life. Estimated 59 bodybuilders from around the world have died over the last two years. Female competitors push drugs chemicals medications just as hard as many of the men. So much more going on than just sugar. 100% agree, outside not the whole story. As you touched on in the video, even serum sample not 100% of the world story.

[@Appleblade]

I've been carnivore for 2.5 years (keto since 1/1/2017), but always drink low carb beer, daily, and eat a bowl of strawberries probably once a month. Fruit just doesn't interest me. I've gotten really lean... like, at 6' I'm 165 and my 30" waist pants are loose! (but not on my butt and thighs... I'm maintaining/building muscle just fine on a once a week heavy lifting schedule (fueled by beer... don't try this, crash, and blame me... I'm just some rando on KZbin). Thing about liver... I really enjoy it, and eat about a pound per week... one 4oz piece the day I lift and the following days. Then 3 days without. Then back on. IDK if that's too much vitamin A, but I sometimes forget to buy it and a couple weeks go by before I say... Hey! Where's my libido?! Oh yeah, LIVER. And then I'm back on liver again. It would be nice to know how quickly a liver overstuffed with vitamin A will return to normal, but I doubt any researchers are interested in precisely measuring that... probably the best approach is the natural one: realize people went hungry often in our evolution, and so take a break from anything you eat regularly just in case you're getting overdosed. I once ate 5,000+ calories a day, for years, to get to 250lbs as a bodybuilder (no roids). It was awful eating that much. Today I love having a negative calorie balance 4-5 days a week (so easy on carnivore!), and a positive balance just 2 days (right after the heavy lifting). I think those negative calorie days provide some protection from any vitamin overdosing. Thoughts, anyone?

[@flugmodus9214]

So basically incorporating fasting whether shorter or longer periods. Absolutely. I think you can’t be carnivore or on a heavy meat based diet without breaks, the hunter gatherer would not always have had availability of different foods and certainly would not be doing a breakfast-lunch-dinner regiment. And being in tune w your body, listening to it, everyone has individual needs as well. I am no where near my fitness goals but since the big attack on health the last 2 years I have discovered carnivore and keto and have healed tremendously.

[@Cattitude369]

I agree, feasting and fasting is the way to go.

[@geraldarnoult]

I feel great and I'm losing weight even faster then the slandered Keto way of eating, because of my stubborn belly fat, I eat all the salt I want and my pressure is normal, took over 5 medication for gout, chemical imbalance, high blood pressure, sleeping pills, no more medication is needed, (when I started keto), (isolated fructose is different from fructose in fruits), its a different process, process foods, sugar, curbs and starch is a health death sentence, causing overweight and messes up your hormons which causes many diseases

[@carolgeiler-evidentialmedium]

Looking forward to the next one - it gets pretty frustrating though - don't eat this, don't eat that - how on earth did our ancestors ever survive! I can't do too much protein, I'm oxalate and nightshade sensitive, no fruit or starches - well, I guess I can suck on a stick of butter all day - sigh! Great info though. Off to get my Uric Acid Meter...

[@carolgeiler-evidentialmedium]

@@CommodoreGrayum Thank you I am aware of my intake needs. I spent 14 years being very unwell and carnivore has truly healed me so I'm all on board. If I do the 'recommended' protein intake my urine turns almost like milk so I have to be cautious... Believe me I do eat fatty meat all the time but I do have to be cautious.

[@carolgeiler-evidentialmedium]

@@CommodoreGrayum yes that's correct - no doubt a kidney-related issue due to the excess protein but of course if you go to a normal Dr. then any amount of meat becomes the devil so not doing that. I find that a less heavy protein intake solves the problem and avoiding too much steak so I do a lot of hamburger to get the extra fat. Thanks for the inquiry!

[@RuGra7zz]

@Carol Geiler That's just it. They didn't. Average lifespans were pitifully low back then. A paleolithic man in his late 20s would look 40+ due to survival stress.

[@RuGra7zz]

@@CommodoreGrayum True about the infant mortality. But even then, it was uncommon to live past 40s due to disease, injury, exposure, predators, childbirth, etc. The aging faster is hypothesized by evolutionary psychologists due to constant stresses, both environmental and physical. Living in 'peak physical condition' is not without a price. People assume our ancestors were these gods of fitness and health, however the reality is our history is a bloody mess filled with humans who were just scraping by on the brink of survival, completely at nature's mercy. Hence why they prayed to supernatural 'Gods' in nature.

[@RuGra7zz]

@@CommodoreGrayum Agreed on your statements about hypotheses and modern tribes. I also agree where you stated modern populations face more chronic rather than acute stress. However, you misrepresented me. I am NOT saying being extremely fit is knocking years off human lives, infact it's quite obvious that the opposite is the case. What I AM saying is that being extremely fit "ages" your appearance, ie. your face. There is known evidence for this, I recommend you research Runner's face, and the literature regarding extreme endurance athletes. It appears that too much of anything is...well you know. I suppose I should not having commented on the tribal God's part, seeing as this is a nutrition video. My apologies. Although these ideas I obtained from multiple sources, including evolutionary and developmental psychologists. I would confess I take residence in the "progress" camp, seeing as we are living in the safest period in human history ever witnessed. However, I do not think I am demonizing, or bashing our ancestors lives by doing so, but just being a realist. At the opposing end, many romanticize our--largely violent--past, stating slogans such as, "a simpler time", or "living as nature intended". Though there may be some ounces of truth to them, I can't help but wonder if such insights are colored with nostalgia--missing the beauty of the current times.

[@Sabastianspreadworth]

Answer is eat No sugar and eat low carb if any vegetables eat mostly animal fat and moderate meat.

[@NutritionwithJudy]

You can eat raw dairy and milk, cheese. These will give you some carbs and a larger insulin response (than just eating fatty meat) when doing carnivore long-term.

[@tanyasydney2235]

@@NutritionwithJudy Dr. Zsofia Clemens, of Paleomedicina, feels dairy contributes to gut permeability.

[@Sabastianspreadworth]

@@NutritionwithJudy I can't get raw dairy in the UK so dairy is out.

[@theadventuresofbrennandbon7791]

@@tanyasydney2235 And she is right...that is who I want Judy to interview.

[@Sabastianspreadworth]

@@NutritionwithJudy Raw dairy is illegal in the UK, I live in the UK.

[@becksbitofblue]

Really good video. Carnivores listen up watch out with all those supplements bite you back. Thank you Judy , thankfully I figured this out on my own mostly not feeling good. I'm 100% carb free. Cut back on salt and magnesium was getting an low heart rate. Now feeling so much better. I just supplement potassium citrate and started drinking 60 oz water an day. Thanknyou you been an huge part of my healing. Some day we meet shalom

[@Tap2EarnTips]

I also have slow heart rate and pressure, didnt know that magnesium can decrease it. Any other tips to improve it?

[@annegajerski-cauley8324]

For those dealing with clearing oxalates, magnesium citrate is recommended. That is why some carnivores are supplementing with it.

[@Mwilke3789]

This is SO interesting. I'm going to have to listen to this twice. My father in law died from an aneurysm. He had high blood pressure and constant gout flair ups. He was very thin and the best advice he was offered from his doctor was, maybe lose some weight...

[@nunyabidness7052]

Mideast increasing obesity might also have a lot to do with the fact that they're using seed oils now instead of animal fats, but I know sodas are really popular

[@vidalskyociosen3326]

They mostly eat sugars than oils.

[@jeffrey4577]

Paul Saladino refuses to accept this

[@stephanszwajcar2287]

Judy, do you know Harry Serpanos? He's also a carnivore and I've never seen anybody who knows more about how the human body is working.. Randle cycle, deuterium depletion, etc., etc.. Maybe you could do an interview once with him?

[@annabelcordelia]

This is amazing!

[@Cougar1212]

I don't have an hour to get to 5-10 minutes of the actual answers. Wish there were summation versions of these hour plus interviews or lectures.

[@joylynnbaker]

I just found this and thought the same thing! What’s the bottom line here please, someone? Brain tired like I’m zoning out in high school biology class!

[@mrazik131]

I wonder how long term fruitarians eating all this sugar and fructose get eventually skinny...🤔 ?

[@energeticsoulhealer888]

I got fat eating fruit only as a vegan. I gained 7lbs per month, and after 5 months, I could barely walk down the street, so I quit.

[@1622-p2t]

@@energeticsoulhealer888your an anomaly

[@lalaland2797]

Thanks Judy

[@brendaandrandyking4126]

I'd like for you to do an interview with Dr ken berry he's a carnivore who eats a good deal of organ meats

[@chompnormski]

Anyone check the correlation with metabolic syndrome and glyphosate poisoning?

[@truthcooperator4683]

I am leaning towards his reasoning about fruit but can't help to notice how frutarians are skinny and how Saladino is doing well on mixing fruit and high purines. Are they exceptions? Upon all this Saladino's diet is the worst as it contains organs and a lot of fructose from fruit, honey, maple syrup and then fat too. So you have plenty of purines combined with fructose and sugars.

[@beardumaw24]

Poor confused Paul Saladino will pay for his drinking of honey and eating mangos on his carnivorish diet in 5 or 10 years down the road. Diabetes or fatty liver Paul ? Lol

[@mikieemiike3979]

I tried to reintroduce fruits, but I felt oxalate stones in my urethra and my throat. Pain and fatigue. I had to stop and go back to full carnivorous.

[@Livingtabitha]

I have really struggled to make carnivore work for me and I know it's because I consume sugar free electrolytes but I consume them anyhow. So I added back fruit and honey and now my hands and feet keep swelling. Is this the uric acid/gout?

[@longshanks5531]

It could be, put out both of them for a few weeks and see what happens

[@ShareefusMaximus]

It's almost like the people who have been doing this for decades and saw people come, saw people fail, and saw people go, also saw who was being successful... It's almost like they might have known what they were talking about!

[@PaulsTwoCents]

Is there evidence that fruit or organ meats will not raise uric acid if you are metabolically healthy? I just tested my levels which are in the middle end of the range (6.1). I also consume dairy which I believe helps lower uric acid. Do you have any thoughts on this?

[@lynnecobb9399]

What's a good uric acid monitor? I see some that test glucose, cholesterol and uric acid...are they any good?

[@little8940]

But why do most people following a carnivore diet NOT get gout? And some gout cases get better?

[@mitchtsenis5498]

Fruit in moderation is absolutely not an issue Paul diet (1 banana and half papaya )Meat 95% !!!

[@jksinorbit]

Fat, meat and carbs is bad news ( Randle cycle). There is a very interesting Robb Wolff presentation about Kitavan islanders and their low fat, protein, whole fruits, starchy tubers diet. Also with carbs being under maintenance calories is an important factor. Paul eats quite a bit of honey from the looks of it, up to 100 grms apparently.

[@philodice]

I'm really not sure why Paul can't figure that out himself.

[@NutritionwithJudy]

I have some thoughts but only he knows the real reason.

[@markbones3386]

Money to be made.

[@markbones3386]

Cole Robinson also jumped on that fruit and honey bandwagon.

[@ninawildr4207]

@@markbones3386 yep...

[@ninawildr4207]

Money

[@natashas.3119]

I wonder if the animals fed a high fructose and high glucose diet were also eating a high-fat diet? If they were, I wonder if feeding them a low fat diet would have changed the results? I know for me, it seems I either need to do super high carb super low fat, or super low carb super high fat, the middle ground doesn't seem to work.

[@sharkair2839]

i am thinking the same thing. what about people that eat a tremendous amount of fruit, and also juice it and lose weight? it is the combination of the carbohydrate and fat that seems to be the issue. not sure why this was not addressed.

[@Amelia-ns8xj]

@natashas.3119 Thinking the same for the moment. How did you found your correct fat ratio? What do you consider low fat?

[@jedishaw6771]

Weird? I've never heard of a carnivore eating sugar?

[@annettestephens5337]

I enjoy listening to this type of content, but for the average human who justs wants a guide to healthy eating I say ‘cut out eating ANYTHING processed’. Once that’s done, only then tweek the diet to suit individual preference.

[@gabyfridman7475]

Thank You !!!!

[@OIOnaut]

I listen to Judy and Rick a lot but the rodent science does not take into consideration a carnivore that does not consume carbs from foods but make their own glucose. I follow or study the idea behind the proton theory of Petro Dobromylskyj and have understood ROS in a very different context and that uric acid on carnivore is much more complex feedback mechanism than among the non-carnivore muggles (that is a Harry Potter term :) or rodent models. What about uric acid and ascorbic acid sharing the same receptors. No need for vitamin-C rich plants if consuming red meat. Comments on that?

[@mrmoe110]

Well we know the regular standard American diet DEFINITELY makes you sick. No question about that