Exploring Elder Scrolls: The Wheel, The Towers, and CHIM

I held off on doing this one for a while, as I wasn't sure if I could present it coherently. There's far more to these topics than this.
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[@elessartelcontar147]

Todd Howard achieved CHIM when he looked at an unfinished game and said "It just works". Such great denial of reality granted him powers beyond mortal comprehension

[@LOLWHATBRO]

Unfinished? Pretty sure you could complete the game's main story if you played the version shipped at launch, right?

[@elessartelcontar147]

@@LOLWHATBRO every Bethesda game ever launched was perfectly playable at day 1, but usually infested with bugs, to the point that modders will usually come up with patches to correct it. Don't get me wrong, I love The Elder Scrolls and Fallout and at this point, their bugs are iconic

[@AngraMainiiu]

He has achieved the Toddhead!

[@Oghuzpervert1]

What a grand intoxicating innocence

[@crathneox5601]

And every modder uses chim to change the dream. When they make a total conversion mod they become a new godhead. When you delete the game, you zero sum.

[@angryskeleton5676]

Alduin is an alarm clock, and Dovahkiin is the snooze button.

[@drakemartin1580]

Yes basically.

[@asadulhaq6689]

You, dear Skeleton, have achieved CHIM.

[@communistpowerranger9629]

This is accurate.

[@spartanbloodline99]

imagine fus ro dah wakin u up every morning

[@Toto-95]

pretty much to be honest

[@jonmkl]

The only thing more fun than how bizarre and esoteric Elder Scrolls cosmology is is the idea that it's just a massive in universe explanation of a video game character _realizing they are a video game character_ and as such, achieving godhood.

[@DioBrando-mr5xs]

Nah, CHIM is beyond that

[@rekaadang]

Vivec.

[@kingblue71]

@@DioBrando-mr5xs not really another way CHIM could be possibly achieve if the video game character he/she was just a character not even a actual person, but just some lines of code that was thought up by some group of people for the sole purpose of entertainment for other to enjoy, realizing that but still wholeheartedly say to themselves and believes "I still am a real person no matter what truth may fall upon me." That's when a person achieves a form of chim.

[@DioBrando-mr5xs]

@@kingblue71 But they aren't in a game. They're in a dream.

[@John_1-1_in_Japanese]

@@DioBrando-mr5xs >they aren't in a game >not a game

[@altus2447]

“This Tower is inactive due to the actions of the Nerevarine.” Oops.

[@IgorNV]

Nerevarine fucked the Red Mountain, the Champion of Cyrodill fucked (Or helped to fuck) the white-gold tower, the Dragonborn fucked the Snow Tower. The hero of TES VI will fuck the Adamantine tower, I guarantee it.

[@Samm815]

@@IgorNV The Agent fucked the Brass Tower (and Broke the Dragon). I like to imagine the Agent activated the Numidium and just ceased to exist.

[@BlueFury2577]

We were just doing our best ok?

[@Incartis]

they are known as DOOM driven heroes for a reason.

[@matheussouto1579]

So you guys saying that the hero from every single TES game are actually the bad guys who are trying to wake up the Godhead and destroy the Dream/Universe????

[@Raiden4019]

The wheel = 0 The tower = 1 It's literally binary code.

[@user-ds2rb7nl9l]

I never thought of it way

[@BAGELMENSK]

No it describes the CD the games ship out on.

[@montypythonandtheholygrail9687]

That’s a little on the nose but I believe that’s something big man Mike would do

[@notinspectorgadget]

oof ow my brain.

[@hentaimage95]

Awesome intuition

[@thomassvevo]

Every time my Skyrim crashes, that's just the God head waking up. Very immersive!

[@jounalehtio2317]

Such a grand and intoxicating innocence.

[@davemarx7856]

🎶Welcome, Nerevar. Come to me through fire and war🎶 🎶Oh🎶 🎶Oh🎶

Dave Marx Dagothwave? :D

[@t.t6294]

SHAME ON YOU SWEET NEREVAR

[@Animaster89]

Come Nerevar come and look upon the heart, upon the heart, ooh

[@davemarx7856]

Blessings of the nine upon you all

[@TheNN]

This is why ya'll n'wahs need Dagoth Ur.

[@barneystinson4289]

TheNN You are a S'wit

[@ahopoli5515]

I need morrowind in my life again

[@AbsurdlyLudicrous724]

You can get it on Steam. store.steampowered.com/app/22320/The_Elder_Scrolls_III_Morrowind_Game_of_the_Year_Edition/

[@TheHortoncrow]

Pft, some god, can't even keep from getting his powers taken away. I'll stick with the Reclaimations. I mean, Azura took out 3 "gods", without lifting a finger.

[@MrNunya]

Nyth mnahan’

[@ultratankie]

My understanding of the Godhead isn't that it's a separate being -- just the opposite, in fact. The Godhead is the only thing that exists, and everything in the Aurbis is a "subgradient" of him/her; in essence, we are all the Godhead, asleep and unaware of our own divinity. To achieve CHIM is not to realize one "is not real," but rather to realize that one is not truly an individual, and yet stubbornly insist on remaining as such anyway. This perspective isn't universal, of course, and it's why I can't get behind some theories about amaranth in the fan community. A lot of people have this idea that the other continents of Nirn are parts or "echoes" of other amaranths, with Yokuda notably being the previous and Akavir being the future. While I do suspect that the Redguards (and Nords as well) are in some sense refugees from previous kalpas/timelines, I don't accept that "other" dreams affect this one in any way. If Vivec, for instance, were to achieve amaranth, I believe the result would be that the Godhead would wake up, everything would be unmade, and a new dream would begin under whatever guidance Vivec is able to provide before being rendered "asleep." The Godhead is currently dreaming of a world of division and violence, and the entire goal of Lorkhan, I believe, is to create a world guided by love and cooperation instead.

[@imuuri]

This reality is also a dream of the godhead. Playing Morrowind is literally playing in an alternate reality. The fact that we exist now means nonexistence is not eternal. If infinite exist you have to be infinite as well as everything else. You can do things in this reality that break the illusion wide open. I am you, you are I. Morrowind is as real as this lol.

[@LOLWHATBRO]

@@imuuri the fact that we exist now does prove that nonexistence is not eternal.... Hmm

[@imuuri]

@@LOLWHATBRO And you can't know the nothingness. You are an experiencer, you can only exist. To know the nothingness and be aware of it is something, making it not nothing. If you are aware it is happening then it's not nothing.... So when you don't remember your dreams, and the memory gets spliced.... One second your falling asleep to the night and the next your groggily starting to wake up and open your eyes to the day.. if you don't remember a dream then the time just disappears... THATS the nothingness... Passes by without feeling it or having any memory of that time period to recount. So while there is nothing, you cannot know it. So you can only continue to experience and know that... You are forever existing. The thing that exist and experiences and knows things.... The nothingness will never shake the experiences hand as something to know truly... You can go to an experience that is a pit h black room, and you are aware of that for extended periods of time.... That experience is a somethingness, and you will always move on from it because it is not all there is, hence experiencing this reality and KZbin comment now...

[@alpacalover0]

@Anon Lahey Since when? Maybe when they directly mentioned it by name in Skyrim's Dragonborn DLC in the Black Book "Waking Dreams"? Whoops.

[@luddsen8314]

The Godhead.... hmmm seams familiar.... but I can’t place my finger on it.... hmmmm it couldn’t be Azathoth, could it????

[@kitten2799]

Luddsen could be

[@thegunslinger8806]

NO! SHHH! don't ruin it! if he awakens the earth is doomed!

[@ivanbulgakov5671]

Maybe someone in our universe achieved the state that allows them to become a godhead, creating the elder scrolls universe. Possibly Azathoth is also one of them, or the original godhead.

[@joemccay2084]

Nah, it's Todd Howard

[@maxi_rv_raxor]

isn't all this thing about a god "dreaming" our existence a Hinduism thing?

[@tylerjaynes822]

The "Cave" for the Throat of the World is most likely the Time Wound, and with Alduins defeat, the use of the Time Wound was spent, therefore "sealed" meaning, MOST LIKELY, The Cold Throat tower was deactivated. All these towers deactivating makes me think there's gonna be a crazy aetherial God-like endgame. Stoked.

[@Xo-3130]

No the time wound danaged it but the Throat Tower is still somewhat active.

[@micahp.4356]

Maybe an antagonist who had all 6 realities of existence come back to Nirn to punish the Godhead.

[@MrDementedgoose]

@@Xo-3130 How do you know? Does something discuss this?

[@rumor-936]

@@MrDementedgoose It's all speculation at this point, maybe the tower was deactivated when the time wound was created. Maybe the time wound in itself is the so called cave, it all depends on your point of view. If these things were made during the time of the Aedra, then the "cave" should have been there from the start, before the dragon war and the time wound. But that's my 2 cents on it. When it comes to the elder scrolls we have more questions than answers.

[@numitor9119]

@@rumor-936 I don’t think the towers have to be built by the gods as white gold, walk brass, and crustal lore weren’t made my them

[@Galimeer5]

Imagine if the next Elder Scrolls game let us enter the Direnni Tower. We could somehow interact with the Zero Stone and _witness_ Lorkhan's trial. How cool would that be??

[@arvindraghavan403]

I dream the same that we could watch lorkhans trial just like we saw alduin being sent forward unto time.

[@DRcorban]

You greatly underestimate Bethesda's will to ruin all of their titles.

[@erika8079]

all these people commenting about Azathoth . . Chim is a pretty much a simplified copy of concepts called "Maya" (Divine Illusion , Dream world , Matrix) , "Moksha" (Spiritual liberation) from Hinduism , or Nirvana (Awakening to your true Self , the same as Moksha) from Buddhism . The concepts a waaaay older than some Cthulhu stuff . Most of the eastern religions a based on this Chim look a like concepts .

[@AutobotTitan]

@Hoàng Nguyên I mean, Vivec did achieve CHIM, and this is the mer who became a hermaphrodite and had intercourse with a Daedric Prince... Also, Kirkbride has confirmed that Vivec as a character was inspired by a form of the Hindu goddess Shiva.

[@haeilsey]

Hoàng Nguyên just like the empire is based on Rome and Skyrim on the Norse, morrowind and the dunmer are based on India

[@AlbelNox]

so what none of the things you mention feature a universe that is a gods dream so the Azathoth comparison accurate

[@mrdoormat6809]

@@AlbelNox In Hindu, universe is basically the dream of God Brahma mate. The concept is already old as heck.

[@georgemelissinos9128]

@@mrdoormat6809 very true

[@GhostLink92]

More like the ToddHead.

[@alexramey2062]

GhostLink92 Modd Howard

[@barry770]

Todd Howard is so self obsessed I'd believe it

[@Doomseer]

@@barry770 Except Tod wasn't the one who came up with the Godhead, that would be the great Michael Kirkbride who in my opinion is the one that should be in charge of development for elderscroll games. Not Tod "it just works" Howard!

[@jupitersgodzilla7114]

+@@Doomseer Lovecraft did it first...

[@SwollenHero]

Kirkbride is the godhead. He's also the Dagoth Ur to Bethesda's Tribunal.

[@17Watman]

So the towers that were deactivated were the ones in previous games. There’s something going on and the Thalmor know what it is.

[@tylerconnell5663]

17Watman There is a theory that the Thalmor, in order to return elves to a state of immortality and godhood, are trying to unmake creation by destroying the Towers. Their plan also includes: wiping Talos from existence and godhood and wiping Man from existence.

[@minepose98]

They're not even doing a bad job of it.

[@nelson_rebel3907]

@@minepose98 They are surprisingly efficient and focused. The Thalmor may be evil, but theres a lot to be said for the High Elves sheer focus, power and knowledge and how to apply it to actually change the world. I like the elves, they just need better leaders and they would honestly make the best rulers of Tamriel/Nirn if they could get past the events that tiber septim marked on them. Shame and disaster with the use of numidium to beat them. Took an entire empire a demigod and a brass god to bring the elves to heal. They should be proud of that honestly

[@tommylyeah]

Damned Elves!

[@theboy1625]

@@nelson_rebel3907 yea keep giving the elves credit

[@hishamonten]

Sofia nearly achieved CHIM when she wondered, what if they're just living in a game, played by adult in their room

[@sirpuppingtoniii9897]

I hope he makes more Exploring Elder Scrolls... Oh also, almost all the towers are inactive... I guess Nirn's in trouble.

[@brettsticc4743]

Possible plot for ES6?

[@taka3000000o]

Unless there are active towers on akavir

[@barneystinson4289]

Not just that, but the Thalmor are trying to deactivate them in order to destroy Mundus because they believe doing so will ascend them into godhood. That's why the Thalmor are bad, not because they are racist, but because they are just racist enough to try and cause the Apocalypse

[@josip9217]

Nah, the deactivation of the Towers doesn't have anything to do with the Thalmor's goal. That's just coincidental. What the Thalmor want to do is erase Talos from the Mythic, thus erasing the idea of Man and mortality. Once they do that, they're free to unbind Time and unmake Nirn.

[@willl676]

+Osip Vromley Exactly. Talos functions as a Tower himself (after he enacted the enantiomorph), the prime Tower of humanity.

[@Thecommander248]

*We destroyed one of the main towers keeping the world from falling apart as the Neverarine.* "Hans... Are we the baddies?"

[@eduards5267]

Maybe Paarthurnax is the cave.

[@soupkitchen467]

I think I read somewhere that the mountain was much taller in the past, but when they created the time wound by casting Alduin into time, it removed the top of the mountain and the cave along with it. Or that the time wound itself is the cave.

[@eduards5267]

Time wound is a dragon break. Maybe you are right.

[@raziel6304]

The time wound is not a dragon break. It is simply a crack in time itself. A dragon break is when time stops moving foward, and many outcomes of the same event all happen at the same time.

[@AutobotTitan]

*hits blunt* But what if, like, the cave is the regret and emptiness Paarthurnax feels in his heart?

[@AutobotTitan]

Real talk, I like the time wound theory. Though the "cave" could actually be High Hrothgar itself (especially since its where the Greybeards live in solitude, and the Dragon Shouting they practice).

[@shezarr3456]

I’ve been on a hard binge on the metaphysics of TES on r/teslore, seems like the Fates favor me!

[@johnmonson9552]

yes! we need more of this in TESVI

[@KaoticVibes]

I remember playing oblivion at launch, wondering what a deadra was and then proceeding to open that crazy can of worms for hours until i had a good grasp on the lore(as good of a grasp as i can lol)

[@caramel7050]

Isaiah Enerio >r/teslore more like fanfiction.net lmao

[@joebaggins8850]

Sameee

[@jounalehtio2317]

The real L O R E is on r/TrueSTL

[@lonestarwolfentertainment7184]

And THIS is what separates The Elder Scrolls from other fantasies like The Lord Of The Rings or A Song Of Ice And Fire

[@lonestarwolfentertainment7184]

@@benvids true but not nearly as Meta.

[@jesseyoungblood6265]

Tolkien directly translated Bilbo's actual in-universe manuscripts. So it's kinda inverse meta, I guess?

[@saintmichael2805]

Because the elder scrolls universe is by far the most powerful fantasy verse to exist.

[@saintmichael2805]

And is Super meta

[@trevor663]

Godhead = Azathoth

[@Gaia_Gaistar]

Spooky.

[@ShineyFace1337]

Trevor Weissert suddenly we find out that they both are roommates in the same dorm

[@Azrael42016]

Explain please?

[@Wimbleknob]

louie galindo Azathoth is a fictional god within HP Lovecraft's stories. It is said that all of existence is merely a dream that Azathoth is having while he sleeps. Other gods take measures to keep him asleep, because if he wakes, all of existence would vanish.

[@hermaeusmora424]

@@Azrael42016 A lot of stuff (like herma mora and this one mission in oblivion "A Shadow over Hackdirt ") in the elder scrolls is inspired by H.P.Lovecrafts writing.

[@twohandedmode]

A little correction; chim gives no power, instead, knowledge. By learning about the dream, you also learn how it works, and learn to use that knowledge to your advantage, and that's sometimes disguised as power

[@Svenner.]

CHIM Shady

[@ofthecaribbean]

Svenner *Insert mom's spagetti joke here*

[@Statusinator]

CHIM Possible

[@mr.joesterr5359]

Ice Jiub

[@CarlJohnson-mf4qd]

CHIM JONG UN.

[@kenpanderz672]

who's the real Chim Shady? no one, its all just a dream.

[@imp8453]

I like to think of the towers as pins, pinning a butterfly to a board, and the stones pins for the pins. The thalmor view themselves as the butterfly, trying to wrench free

[@oghaze9318]

The stone is High Hrothgar and it remains active as long as the Greybeards continue their worship of Kyne.

[@errorunknownuser4752]

That would make the greybeards the stone and the building the tower mate

[@Hsaelt]

not necessarily

[@ArthurD]

Not greybeards. The Way of the Voice itself is the Stone.

[@CIA871]

Arpur D That doesn't make any since because the The Voice is more akin to the magical arts and anyone is capable of doing it which would make it huge deviation from all the other towers since that would make just about everybody a possible stone and every dragon a stone.

[@ArthurD]

@@CIA871 The Voice is less of magic and more of a mini dragon break. A fragment of dragon break. Like Redguards' Sword-Singing or The Eye of Magnus. It's something beyond the rules of creation that established on Nirn.

[@The.Nasty.]

The more I learn about Elder Scrolls lore the more I’m thinking they have the potential to end this series on a crazy climactic note. Like Sithis trying to wake the god head and return all of existence back to the void, but Meridia sacrifices/redeems herself by becoming the new god head and holding reality together. I dunno. Just throwing out an extreme situation.

[@hermaeusmora424]

Would be cool, but sadly won´t happen because your average dude thats playing the game wouldn´t understand shit and since they have to please the majority of players they can´t do that.

[@uwotm8153]

Hermaeus Mora the average person cares about gameplay, not story. There is nothing stopping Bethesda from having a huge reality spanning end to the elder scrolls series, as long as the story is understandable and the gameplay is good.

[@hermaeusmora424]

@LadyGaGa is hot Actually if you go into deep lore you´ll see that some of it was actually inspired by quantum physics or rather string theory.

[@hermaeusmora424]

@LadyGaGa is hot Do you know what inspired means?

[@hermaeusmora424]

@LadyGaGa is hot Look I´m not saying that you need to be a genius to understand the story, but there is a reason they dropped all that "heavy" stuff and went with more "lighter" story. I think it was even mentioned by them somewhere once. If they would go full on into lore with their story the casual gamer would have to either read a lot of stuff or they would have to make an actual good story (which we know won´t happen with a bethesda game :p) that explains everything, which would require to pay close attention. Most people don´t do that. They would play the game not knowing whats going on and thus not enjoying the game and that would result in a loss of sales. That´s why they are not doing it.

[@skelitonking117]

Maybe Anu and Padomay are the aspects of the God Heads Conscious and Sub-Conscious minds interacting and conflicting?

[@Zero60133]

Depends of canon you follow. In one canon, Anu and Padomay were brothers, and both loved woman called Nyr. Nyr loved Anu, and they had family together, Padomay in jealousy killed them and was in turn killed by enraged Anu. Anu in his grief entered a state of sensory deprivation and entered in state of Amaranth becoming Godhead of Elder Scrolls, his dream was of grief and sadness. And in that dream there was another Anu and Padomay, the opposing forces, who's interplay led to forming of TES universe as we know it today. In another canon, which i am unsure if it actually mentions the Godhead identity, but in it there was Anu and Padomay and their interplay led to creation of being called Nyr, Nyr favoured Anu and together they created 12 worlds, which Padomay destroyed and killed Nyr. Anu salvaged what's left of worlds and created Nirn and eventually after two beings fough one another Anu pulled both of them out of time. This second one to me is bit murky, since it doesn't follow proper flow of time, obviously time in TES universe is very loose term, since concept of time didn't even exist without Akatosh(or rather time back then wasn't linear) . I personally prefer first canon since it creates less plot threads that make your head hurt. But it's TES, so both are potentially true.

[@cryptogaming4119]

I'm pretty sure that overusing CHIM presents the risk of the godhead waking up.

[@Fuegoaries]

Yes it does

[@john-fi2ni]

The godhead seems long winded, for brevity let’s call it Todd.

[@irbis_rosh]

The Toddhead

[@kenpanderz672]

Godd Headward

[@Nonamearisto]

The dream doesn't mean that the character doesn't exist. It is a paradox requiring someone to understand "this is a dream" and "this is real" at the same time. If they can't understand the paradox, they risk zero-summing. If they understand it for real, they can achieve CHIM (rhymes with "time" or "chime", not with "him" or "Jim"), allowing the person to control the dream, in part. Achieving Amaranth is a poorly understood process, but it would, as you say, allow someone else to become a new Godhead. As for the Godhead, it probably split into Anu (also called Anuiel) and Padomay (Sithis). Its mind is split and I doubt it can just "wake up" someday.

[@KarcharodonAstra]

So the godhead can’t wake up inside? (I had to I’m sorry.)

[@PhoenixFlame321]

On the contrary, Anu and Padomay are two primordial forces converging, rather than the result of one splitting into two. They're either the two sides of the the Godhead's mind (the left and right hemispheres of the brain) or Anu is the dreamer and Padomay is his wife trying to wake him up (hence Padomay's association with nothingness, destruction and chaos through Sithis and Lorkhan)

[@briancooley8777]

So the godhead has schizophrenia?

[@emberZemian]

The two headed dragon God of time, Anu and his aspects such as Auri-El (the reality of Elves) and Akatosh (the reality of Men) is indeed schizophrenic and insane. Padomay/Sithis/Lorkhan is trying to escape the madness. The dream of AE is sometimes proposed to be a somewhat failed dream/universe, as some theories claim that a true Amaranth would remain awake within thier own dream: to be both the dreamer and the dream, and thus the most powerful of all entities. This universe has the Godhead, but the Godhead failed to become an Amaranth, asleep, blind, and oblivious to said dream.

[@spartanalex9006]

So what I’m hearing is that to achieve Chim and avoid Zero Summing, one must come to the solution of the Philosophical Evil Genius Problem of “I think, therefore I am.”

[@NerevarOfficialReal]

What Todd Howard doesn't want you to know is that the whole TES universe is just a Wes Johnson fever dream. (Shh... don't tell anyone)

[@aedanshepard316]

Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin Wes Johnson is awesome! 😂

[@AutobotTitan]

I remain convinced Kirkbride and co. didn't so much write the esoteric lore, rather they transcribed an epic acid trip into story form

[@astronautical1060]

@@AutobotTitan I still wonder if the rumors of MKB taking psychedelics whilst writing TES lore is true.

[@Swaggerpede]

"The godhead does not dream, but is awake to it's own nature. " -Alan Watts

[@allihavearepasta-basedthou2890]

Even the memes degrade as the games go on: 3: I'm a god. How can you kill a god? What a grand and intoxicating innocence. 4: Have you heard of the high elves? 5: Force Balance Push!

[@merrittanimation7721]

Don't the Thalmor want to destroy the Towers?

[@tylerconnell5663]

Eolas That is an excellent name for the Thalmor, I like it

[@vitormelomedeiros]

This is something Mark Kirkbride wrote about extra-officially, despite having stopped working for Bethesda after the completion of Morrowind. But again, he did come up with the notion of Third Aldmeri Dominion and the White Gold Concordat, so I think this could be canon, especially if The Elder Scrolls VI is set in High Rock. We can only hope.

[@Praefecture]

Merritt Animation No they don't. This is just a popular fan theory from r/teslore. The Thalmor want to undo mortality by removing Talos/Lorkhan/Shor from the mythic.

[@vitormelomedeiros]

Praefecture what do you mean undo mortality? Were people immortal before Talos? whT

[@Praefecture]

The et'Ada (Aedra and Daedra) were 'tricked' by Lorkhan into creating Mundus (Nirn). Their descendants that stayed on Mundus, became the Ehlnofey, and split. The Old Ehlnofey (ancestors of Mer), fought with the Wandering Ehlnofey (ancestors of Men, championed by Lorkhan). Ultimately, these spirits became 'imprisoned' on Mundus, Lorkhan's mortal realm, and were immortal no-more. Lorkhan himself became a God to Men (Shor, Shezzar, Sep, etc.) and god of the underworld, while to the Elves he was akin to the devil. The concept of Talos (who kind of supplanted Lorkhan/Shor), a man who rose to divinity and immortality, who stomped Alinor with Numidium, who massacred elves left and right, is a spit in the face to all High Elves. His existence reinforces the very 'idea' of Lorkhan, mortality, and human superiority. The Thalmor think that by removing that 'idea', it will be much easier to *destroy mankind*, unbind the time-Dragon , and then ascend to immortality again.

[@kuromoriroyal2291]

The red mountain is still active, as the source of its power is the heart of Lorkhan. The original heart may have been destroyed, but there is always a Shezarr with a new heart every age or so, keeping the mountain active

[@davidwineholt]

Love that you are adding more to your TES lore series you explain it very well and are actually one of the better youtubers with the TES stories

[@awkwardCaleb]

"The Wheel … The Towers … Kim."

[@Nukestarmaster]

*CHIM

[@awkwardCaleb]

Nukestarmaster chim-chimney, chim-chimney, chim-chim charoo, It was a joke, but I'm sure you knew it too!

[@huntmastergutentag557]

wheel = BC regimen towers = champagne glasses kim = dodging a bullet

[@6ettomendes]

So glad we got another TES video from you, you're a master at this!

[@MasterMahan-qm8hu]

One of the best explanations I have yet to see, excellent job!!! Cheers

[@KaoticVibes]

Vivec, my boi, what the hell are you on about in that quote at the end? Lol. Learned a couple things i didnt know. Much appreciated it. TES and the world of the Witcher are my fav fantasy lore and this is WHY

[@ClarenceClaymore1]

incredibly well done. This is probably my favorite video on this subject I've seen so far.

[@joe.simpkins42]

Im so glad this is back, I love this series

[@thefvguy5648]

THE CLASSIC INTRO CAME BACK!! Yes!!! In a way.

[@TheExploringSeries]

I thought you'd like that.

[@lancejedrickmaniquiz7547]

TheFVguy I don't really care about the intro cuz the video is so good!

[@ayyzee77]

I love the intro, gets me ready to listen and watch instead of alt tabbing and listening :)

[@XNaturalPhenomenonX]

So much good lore in tes games, but you don't get to see much of it in game.

[@dadjyker58]

I still love how Vaermina named her realm Quagmire 😂

[@nickmelanshek1350]

You do an incredible job at making this information easy to absorb. Thanks for the videos.

[@the-letter_s]

that would be a cool plot for tos 6, you must prevent someone from deactivating all the towers and causing a ZK-Class End-Of-Reality Event

[@TicTacYo100]

Sweet! I didn't think I'd see another Elder Scrolls video from you. I've been watching your LOTR series in the meantime.

[@blazednlovinit]

Great video mate! These are topics of particular fascination for me in TES lore, and I never even knew about the towers. Maybe cover the adjacent places places sometime and vivec's poems.

[@dragonborn5832]

Even I'm surprised by how much I'm learning about video game lore that I have been reading and talking to other fans about for years, that is why the Elder Scrolls is my favorite series, so much history, I truly learn new things everyday.

[@gradh3123]

This stuff is really fascinating, thank you for this video

[@TheZephyrsWind]

Daggerfall was my favorite Elder Scrolls game. Also people should read a lot of the books in morrowind. You'll find out strange things like how Vivec is a hermaphrodite.

[@krenee8640]

Thanks for this 🙏🏼 I have a new friend who’s really into playing the elder scrolls online, so I’m trying to become more familiar with wtf is going on in the game This really helped me to frame the storyline; thank you for the video! I appreciate your efforts!

[@Nemenon]

Wonderful video, I love the strange in Elder Scrolls. It's a shame Kirkbride isn't working on it anymore, who knows what could have been. Was extremely surprised and excited to see an Elder Scrolls video again from you.

[@the_dropbear4392]

Nemenon He may not be working for them anymore, but they still add parts of his out of game texts into the game. Such as the Talos speech, or several books in eso

[@joetheshoggoth9079]

The Godhead sound a lot like Azathoth in the Lovecraft Mythos...!

[@goodenoughright5433]

I was thinking the same ting

[@dagothur9181]

Great video! Very informational.

[@Anaesthxtic]

You've heard of Scranton Reality Anchors, now ready yourself for the Adamantine Reality Anchor

[@mostshenanigans]

And with unity, I shall approach the CHIM from outside Aurbis!

[@Hubzz]

Fuck yesssssssss, I literally binge watched all of your TES videos last week and I was hoping you would make a few more in the near future.I lova you so much!!!

[@SamanthaIreneYTube]

With TES VI in Hammerfell, I have a feeling the Adamantine Tower won’t be active for too much longer. Assuming this is the final tower in-game, it might be a battle between the Prisoner (aka Lorkhan) and the Thalmor for mundus. Hopefully the Thalmor will zero sum out of existence at the end.

[@notinspectorgadget]

It took me several years and this video to finally pick up on The Hubologist's belief system in Fallout 4 being a reference to "The Wheel Philosophy" from the Elder Scrolls.

[@Shadowybloodwolf]

This was great!👏

[@nbmoleminer5051]

I absolutely loved this.

[@nataliecameron]

The thought of the Godhead waking up is actually terrifying

[@tommylyeah]

Why?

[@downfromkentuckeh]

man, i just love the lore of Elder Scrolls. just wow.

[@j.j.4708]

All of this is basically Buddhism: > The Wheel = the wheel of reincarnation with all its realms and deities (Bhavachakra/Samsara) > The Tower looking like the letter (and word) "I" = the Ego and its three poisons (greed, hatred, delusion) at the center of Samsara keeping the wheel spinning and everyone within bound to it > CHIM = attaining enlightenment like Buddha did = realizing the true nature (Sunyata, the Dream) of the world and oneself > now from there on there are two ways: directly going into Nirvana/ zero summing (essentially what Hinayana buddhists strive for) OR > staying within the Wheel despite having transcended it already, walking the path to become a Bodhisattva through compassion = Amaranth (this is what Mahayana buddhism is all about)

[@forgetfulfour7194]

The stone located at the Throat of the World could be the time distortion from when Alduin was original banished out of time.

[@marshallm0992]

i can absolutely see the zero stone play a role in ES6 sense its my personal belief that it will take place in BOTH highrock and hammerfell, and if that's the case then we will definitely be going to the tower

[@eyesack6845]

"Our world was drowned in seas of red and yet the wheel keeps turning and I was dead and you were dead and yet the wheel keeps turning for now the wheel keeps turning..." -The Wheel, by Allinal.

[@Bauglir100]

The Godhead is Azathoth. Anu/Anuiel is the Nameless Mist. And Padomay/Sithis is Darkness. And the Elder Gods and Old Ones are mentioned in Arena and Daggerfall, respectively. Not to mention that the Deep Ones are referenced in Oblivion. I'm convinced that The Elder Scrolls is linked to the Cthulhu Mythos.

[@PL-du8gq]

Mind blowing - love it

[@superscrungus]

can i just say how happy i am that this video doesn't contain anything along the lines of "CHIM IS CONSOLE COMMANDS!!" anyway, well researched and well-composed!

[@hamzarazzaq7467]

By the 9... I had no idea... I cant believe. I cant believe! *fades away*

[@arnu5206]

Sounds a lot like love craft!!!!!! I love both, so good for me!

[@calconone7250]

What about the Coral Tower? I remember that being mentioned a few times in ESO. Supposedly it was located on Thras and was destroyed when the All-Flags-Navy invaded the island to battle the Sload.

[@NonstickSQYD]

Yessss I love the elder scrolls ones please do more

[@TheSkullConfernece]

Whether a god exists or doesn't or whether existence is a part of a god's conscious creation or merely its dream or whether or not the universe will continue forever or can be destroyed at any moment doesn't change whether or not there is any meaning to anything that exists. Absolutely no change in my mindset or existential meaning would occur if any combination of these scenarios were shown to be true to me. So if I was in the Elder Scrolls universe and found out and believed that I was merely a part of the godhead's dream, I wouldn't think that the universe would be any less meaningful because all the creatures within it would still be conscious, would still feel pain and pleasure, and the stories that can be actuated will always be interesting to me. I guess I would go through the process of chim until I eventually got bored of existence to one day decide to go on the path of amaranth. There's no way I'd ever zero sum.

[@maxwellsimon4538]

What if the stone for The Throat of the World is refereed to as a cave as a metaphor for the Thuum? I think that would make sense, considering that the landmark is where the greybeards practice that power. Caves can have winds that low through them making sounds like a voice, so this makes sense to me.

[@Beautyinthestruggle71]

I would like a ES game where you reach CHIM, like at the end

[@regginator9194]

This video is amazing, and you are amazing.

[@garett2813]

As for Crystal-Like-Law - it was revealed in ESO:Summerset that its Stone was a Psijic Ritemaster Iachesis (or rather, his heart, which was fused with the original Stone).

[@MinniMaster]

It seems that every series I’m into has _some_ elements of Lovecraft blasted into it

[@DtemplarK]

I've always assumed that the snow tower is the snow throat itself, while the "cave" is the time wound that was created when the first tongues casted alduin forward in time, and the stone is Alduin himself. Alduin's reappearance is basically a new sign of the end of the world, his victory would allow him to devour it and allow the next one to be born, while his defeat would mean another tower would fall, making existence even more unstable. But that is just my interpretation of it, good video btw.

[@deco2757]

This channel is so underrated

[@kekero540]

In Michael Kirkbrides extended writings it talks about how Talos serves as a anchor for the Wheel of Convention. This video really helped me understand that post lmao

[@stevesilvasi5843]

The lore in this world is young considering how long it's been around, but part of it's legendary status is bc of it's metaphysical topics. Give this series time... It'll only get better.

[@NothingButANumber317]

I'm pretty sure that the Sload had created their own tower on Thrass called the Coral Tower. It was supposedly sunken by the Sloads themselves when the All Flags Navy retaliated against them for the Thrassian Plague

[@markointhesky]

Not 100% sure, but I think I heard that the Godhead is Anu after he killed Padomay, and his dream is simply of what things would have been like if he were still alive

[@GabrielVitor-kq6uj]

oh yeah you're back to TES \o/

[@themastrofwar]

I've played these games for years, and this is the first time I've heard of CHIM or the towers keeping existence

[@lolmaomgoml]

Do a lot more of these please

[@danielvictor3262]

I'd like to add that the concept of both the "tower" and the "wheel" is literally an allusion to binary (1 and 0 respectively) so Elder Scrolls lore is literally a program making sense of itself as a bundle of 01100010 01101001 01101110 01100001 01110010 01111001 codes

[@MrWolfsmusic]

YEEESSS!!! so few people talk about these things on KZbin.

[@chiccodivers]

A video on Lyg would be interesting

[@gibsondowd3798]

My one correction is that Green Sap is probably deactivated due to being within Thalmor territory. Their purges have probably discovered the Perchance Acorn and their agenda to destabilize mundus to unbind the dragon probably drove them to destroy the stone

[@jaysorensen8443]

The stone on the throat of the world is the notched pickaxe the cave represents the notch in the stone the pic is stuck in and if you take the pic then you destroy the tower and now obvlivion part two comes

[@nathanlininger7515]

What is so clever about the writing of elder scrolls is it’s a neat explanation in-universe modding of the game. Like if the player knows the game doesn’t exist, but plays it anyway. Or they modify their game to fit their desires. And how the godhead doesn’t exist if they wake up, I.e. when you stop playing the game. Elder scrolls only exists if we play it, give it attention and enjoy the universe.

[@demonmasted1]

Wished to just one day meet The Godhead and or learn more about the entity, always fasinated to learn things about it

[@tsukkisbaka514]

Chim is also a way of explaining how we can save our game and reload saves, because the player character has achieved Chim and is using it,, idk it wasn't in the video so I thought I'd mention it

[@bALDbOY85]

By the way, it's generally accepted that Anu is the Godhead

[@barneystinson4289]

No, Anu IS a Godhead, he is not the Godhead. Anu is a very confusing figure. The Godhead dreampt up Anu, Anu went through this process to become a Godhead. However, this Godhead is essentially Sharing the Dream but also dreaming (inception noise) within the Dream.

[@Max-xl5kx]

the god head thing should be taken with a grain of salt at least the dream

[@orionwarren1877]

A Godhead, not The Godhead. Anu is an Amaranth.

[@benp9793]

@@Max-xl5kx Zero summing is mentioned in the game, so it is canon

[@electrollama2127]

Bethesda is the Godhead