Exposing A Film Festival Scam (w/ chad chad)

[@Pinely]

ALIEN CAKE ALIEN CAKE ALIEN CAKE ALIEN CAKE MERCH: pinely-shop.fourthwall.com watch the full movie! kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKvadqt5a9-kgpI

[@themad_ox]

ALIEN CAKE

[@pawzy_9368]

ALIEN CAKE!!

[@gremlin4959]

ALIEN CAKE

[@alexa.127]

ALIEN CAKE

[@CharlieOsmar]

ALIEN CAKE!!

[@glowvxn]

pinely’s 10 year old brother has a promising future in film writing

[@cookimaus1]

Ok but seriously i hope thats not just sarcasm because you are 100% right

[@glowvxn]

@@cookimaus1 IM BEING FR! I don’t think i would’ve ever come up with something this detailed at ten years old. I hope pinely’s brother sees all the comments of people loving the plot

[@cookimaus1]

@@glowvxn i noticed that pinely shortened the complete film so i hope he releases the uncut version

[@euonova]

i agree 100% like damn

[@FuzBrain]

At least kids books, this would be a adorable book

[@dotcircles9926]

i demand a standalone version of the full movie so i can send it to my friends and family without any context

[@sourgreendolly7685]

Big same.

[@hedge1247]

There's a link in the description isn't there? Or did you mean something else?

[@tecc]

Ok but I’m lowkey into Alien Cake’s aesthetic and character design. Y’all were robbed of that award.

[@mosstits]

For the art, style, I can unironically see it being an adult cartoon show. But considering the state of that genre rn, I'm not sure if it's a compliment or a diss.

[@yimmick]

Hoo😢pra😮i 2:20

[@dauhloweme8127]

They may have gotten robbed of that award but he sure as hell still put it on the poster lol

[@bananawitchcraft]

High-key, Orr is talented at drawing

[@lisaverzosa9586]

Kinda want that poster tbh

[@euonova]

the story pinely’s brother came up with is kinda real. the main character’s struggle only being able to achieve his goal of selling the yummiest cakes by committing atrocious acts against another sentient species… truly sublime. a reference to speciesism which humans perpetuate all too often, as well as a lesson against having your alien cake and eating it too.

[@creepycat378]

Pinely's brother is vegan, so... kinda cool of him to have a moral message in his weird story

[@cookimaus1]

@@creepycat378wait what

[@Oldass_Deadass_dumbass_channel]

​@@cookimaus1yeah, he's vegan. Pinely mentioned it in a previous video

[@Idkpleasejustletmechangeit]

Truly a deep and thought provoking narrative.

[@swagromancer]

Gotta recommend the comic series Voracious for a kinda similar premise.

[@TheComicalOverlord]

Hearing them awfully fail at remembering chekhovs gun had me SCREAMING. Especially when Chad Chad called it foreshadowing 😭

[@sethharris813]

It weirdly brought me a significant amount of joy. Though admittedly I am a very sick person.

[@ErieRosewood]

its so real thpugh, i always forget what its called too

[@aduckofsomesort]

At least she wasn’t wrong lol

[@pzkitty6783]

technically Chekhov's gun is foreshadowing but yeah it was still funny

[@ashetrash9534]

This could unironically be an Adult Swim short, your little brother is a genius, and your art and both your voice acting is brilliant.

[@secretformulathief910]

I don't think pinley realizes how good his character designs and art are

[@tinytine_]

OMG TRUEEEE IT'S SO DISTINCT. And the background and colors are just so pretty and nice

[@randomtinypotatocried]

I love his art style. It's so much fun looking

[@phoenixfritzinger9185]

Those designs would have absolutely killed it on Adult Swim back in the 00’s-early 10’s

[@SaintShion]

I thought he only wrote the story.

[@grim5910]

his brother wrote the story@@SaintShion

[@234UltraP]

You might not see this, but I'd like to thank you for bringing attention to this. I'm a recent film school grad. Almost all of us at my school have wasted money at these sketchy film festivals at some point. Years ago I even got an "honorable mention" at one of the festivals you would later win, lol. After submitting to a few, I realized what was going on and stopped. My peers look at me like I'm crazy when I tell them I'm never going to submit to these no-name festivals again. It's sort of an unspoken BS thing you're expected to do when you're starting out, as it's "just part of the game" and to rack up as many laurels as you can. It's sort of inescapable because starting out, you probably won't get into the festivals that matter; so "something" is better than nothing, right? That's where these scam artists make their money, by preying on unexperienced hungry dreamers. Thank you, Pinely, for shedding light onto this as it's a huge gripe of mine that isn't spoken about enough.

[@mar-nyan]

That’s such an interesting perspective! I kinda assumed this was just a scam directed at people who don’t know any better, didn’t think people who are actually considering movie making as their future career path would be spending money on stuff like that.

[@234UltraP]

@@mar-nyan Yeah, the more laurels racked up the more important the film looks on the outside, but the same could be done with less laurels if you get into an actual lower tier festival such as the Florida Film Festival (that is also academy award qualifying) which has an early bird deadline at similar cost as these no name festivals. Some no name festivals have in person award shows (where they rent out a small theater and / or hotel conference room and screen shorts) that they’ll tell you to go to as a networking opportunity to meet other filmmakers… but you can also find local facebook film groups online that hold in person mixers where you can network for free... so I'm satisfied with skipping the no-names. I can understand people going to the in person events and maybe getting something out of it, but I actively discourage submitting to the online ones, especially ones that offer “guarantee placement” before you even enter.

[@gabriellec6463]

Brave of Pinely to admit he's never turned into a donut

[@mrbubbies_]

Couldn’t waterboard that info outta me fr

[@samdal420]

Not yet at least...

[@bananawitchcraft]

Actually, it's only girls that can turn into donuts. Boys turn into churros, and nonbinary people become funnel cakes. Transforming into fried pastries is just a very adult topic that Pinely's brother is too young to fully understand.

[@hunter5w6]

can’t believe your brother is already an Award-Winning Screenwriter at age 10, his resume is gonna be FIRE

[@SM-yz4hi]

9 minutes in yelling “checkov’s gun!! it’s checkov’s gun!!” at my screen

[@bookwyrm8181]

Glad this wasn’t only me

[@lemongreed7916]

*Chekhov's

[@lonlon58]

This video is actually so sweet and adorable. As an educator i will never get tired of seeing kids writing projects. Your brother is actually pretty good at tieing his loose ends together for a elementary school writing level! Also all writers hate titling and describing their work! This is a fact of life

[@LucasBuilds]

Pinely, I will gladly pay five entire dollars for an exclusive interview about your masterpiece of a movie.

[@alisonselje2809]

I'll pay $6 for it

[@Tots_]

$2.50, take it or leave it

[@Idkpleasejustletmechangeit]

0.5% of a Euro. That's what I'd pay.

[@LunaHawthorne]

I’d pay ₽0.01

[@anomalousanimates]

i pay exposure to oxygen and carbon dioxide for it

[@cookimaus1]

For a ten year old, that story is actually really well done. I hope he puts that talent to use in the future

[@lalaspeaks]

such a groundbreaking story, definitely a big step forward for alien rights

[@Idkpleasejustletmechangeit]

And a step backwards for human rights.

[@mammoneymelon]

​@@Idkpleasejustletmechangeitas an alien i can confirm that that is a net win

[@Idkpleasejustletmechangeit]

@@mammoneymelon did I state anything to the contrary?

[@Stormith]

Me screaming “CHEKHOV’S GUN” at my phone screen repeatedly as if you can hear me lmao

[@jameshauck9148]

THIS YES

[@lostinthemasses]

Pinely's brother's contributions to this channel's success is immeasurable. Dude better be getting a fat check on his 18th birthday lol

[@theflyingspaget]

We are gonna put Little Pinely (Saplingly?) through college!!!

[@oneinathousand2156]

The animation and writing has some real 2000’s/early 2010’s Flipnote Hatena energy and I love it.

[@TuesdaysArt]

Flipnote Hatena! Really takes me back.

[@joelle4226]

I miss flipnotes

[@FiresOfEros]

Okay but as an animator and artist, im genuinely so impressed with your newby animation. Like this is unironically super cute and campy. The alien with the button is my favorite. 😭 I'll probably get a poster.

[@darthjenni]

Could you please post the complete director's cut of Alien Cake as its own video? I can hardly wait to see it as a part of the Spike and Mike's Animation Festival.

[@simpulacra]

this is literally every media industry 😮‍💨 I was flabbergasted to find out the tiny independent bookshop I worked for made money by getting paid to buy thousands of copies of conservative books in order to get those books on best seller lists.

[@conifer27]

I was across the room when Pinely was chanting "alien cake" so it really sounded like "alien kink" but, having forgotten what the film was called, I didn't question it

[@hiimaperson4790]

Okay actually i gotta say, i love the aesthetic of alien cake, especially the backgrounds and actual aliens, the watercolor is so cool

[@newyin9214]

Pinely are you sure your brother isn’t a genius scriptwriter? Maybe have him apply to fancy movie schools

[@ashegrey3042]

idk why but the term “movie schools” instead of “film schools” made me chuckle

[@mangofree]

This whole time I was trying to telepathically tell you guys that it’s called ‘chekhov’s gun’ but my telepathy sucks ass so I thought this comment might be just as helpful Also the phrase “I’m the winning boy” is actually the funniest thing I’ve heard in a very long time and I’ve been saying it all day and I’m not even a boy

[@jvgreendarmok]

I'm sure your telepathy is fine, you just can't transmit your thoughts backwards through time (yet).

[@kai19971201]

Big Succession energy

[@BeepBoopBrainIsSoup]

Same energy as Film Cooper saying he’s the birthday boy in that video about the girl who stole her friend’s boyfriend’s hoodie.

[@zleze-music]

alien cake truly is peak cinema, your brother deserves the title of winning boy for making this as well

[@ashikjaman1940]

We should replace all the ai writing programs with your 10 year old brother

[@101stcurse]

i will say that as a person who was once a toddler that tried to animate, this is far more impressive than any of my many works

[@101stcurse]

and i was using an actual animation software

[@rawvegankid]

Alien Cake actually has a very poignant message about how easy it is to loose track of what you're fighting for, and I think that's beautiful.

[@Lesiosaurus]

Procreate actually has a whole animation feature

[@Pinely]

every comment I've seen that mentions this throws another dagger into my soul

[@Saibellus]

​@@Pinelyallow me to add a stab of my own: it also has a feature literally called "animation assist" specifically meant to make it easier for newbies

[@flyingsnail_art9170]

Okay but when Orr was talking about how excited his brother was to see his idea come to life that made me so happy, it’s so sweet. It reminded me of when me my brother and my cousins would pretend we were in a rock band when we were kids and we would make posters and write songs that as adults are embarrassing but as kids were just fun. I don’t really know if I had a point lol but I thought Alien Cake was charming because of that and creativity should be encouraged more and not exploited by scams or something

[@apollinares1938]

As an animation grad whose thesis film is in festival circuits at the moment, I feel SO CALLED OUT right now

[@anoodle5293]

No one tell Pinely that there’s an animation assist program in procreate or he will lose his mind

[@smproject16]

I honestly really like the art in Alien cake. Something about the graininess just looks so cool to me

[@who8967]

I hope we get more of this duo in the future!!

[@alanabanana4013]

when my brother was a middle-schooler he wrote a story about a "magic meer" (yes he spelled it that way the whole way through) and like halfway through he completely lost any semblance of plot. there was toxic waste and both of the main characters mutated into random horrifying creatures and did a big monster fight basically what i'm saying is i think this is what is inside the head of all 10-year-old boys?? it always comes back to mutated monster fights

[@hafafatimasalam4230]

I write mostly thriller stories and my little brother who's almost ten reads my stories replaces my characters with mutated animals who can fly and kill them off???

[@liichkiing]

I was on another tab at 9:09 so hearing chad shout "Listen Victor!" scared the shit out of me. because that is my name. I was willing to believe that I was being yelled at through the video for a moment. I am a bit terrified now.

[@1enaverse]

i love that your brother was so happy about the film! you're a good big bro also, i subscribed to you when you were doing pinely box content and gotta say it's always a treat to see your silly little drawings and animation pop back up again on your channel. thanks for the laughs with this vid, even if it didn't come out the way you expected it to it still made me feel really happy to see it so... idk thanks man

[@Pinely]

thanks!! Im absolutely looking for new ways to involve my drawings in my video again, just not in the way I used to I guess

[@noodleh945]

As a British person, I don't mind a villain having a British accent. However, why would an alien from another planet have an accent from Earth?

[@HarmonyHope7534]

Ask Voltron that one

[@dannyg.4421]

Say that to Dr. Who lol

[@kiaradriechel6291]

Bc she’s the queen duh

[@handsomejin]

Because she's the wueen

[@incorrecter]

Convergent evolution

[@AshChiCupcak]

I see ChadChad, I click. I dont care what the videos about. Love to see her collabing with so many youtubers I enjoy.

[@hadesedits1501]

Same

[@phoenixfritzinger9185]

You could probably get an award from an actual legit film festival if you just described this as a tribute to the old Cartoon Network Adult Swim shorts

[@Starridge]

Listening to him talk about how miserable animation is while actively animating,,,, so true ! The style of Alien Cake is really fun fr though, you were snubbed.

[@LerkaHoi]

genuinely a wonderful script from your brother! the story was cohesive, characters distinguishable, the way it all came together like a cycle. i like your videos and i adore chadchad, but the real star of this video is a lil' pinely.

[@D44RK_Iced_Yogs]

MS Paint and Photoshop-or just a video with both-are such a niche yet amazing video type that I can’t get enough of. Thank you Pinely!

[@the_idiot_eris5029]

It’s great that your giving smaller creators like chad chad on your channel!

[@melinaalba63]

And "little brother" even was featured! I have never seen a collab with him so for pinely to give him a platform is just wonderful to see (:

[@Chromaggia]

Wiggly??!!

[@the_idiot_eris5029]

@@Chromaggia starkid fan??!!

[@Chromaggia]

@@the_idiot_eris5029 starkid fan!!! :O

[@badbitcheswalkthrough8195]

@@Chromaggiaguys what does this mean I feel like I’m missing out on an inside reference I wanna be included

[@mediocreatbest9203]

this is eerily similar to predatory conferences/journals in the higher academic setting... look it up. I didn't expect to find the equivalent in the film industry lol

[@Lucifersfursona]

Not only do we have this, Orr gets to show it to his brother in 10 years “Hey bro can you give me a script” “If you eat others, they might eat you.” “T..thank you”

[@harrisonwhaley7872]

Thank you Tiny Pine for the artistry

[@SmoothBrainVids]

Chad Chad and Pinely are a great duo, I don't need to watch this to know this simple truth ❤

[@HowdyHowdy_]

Put them together and add in Kuncan Dastner and that would be peak podcasting.

[@TerpeneGamer]

I’m such a huge fan of your cardboard backgrounds . It’s unique and I dig it

[@cassandraburns9073]

I would watch a whole channel's worth of videos just written by pinely's brother, this is better than most theatrical releases!

[@randomtinypotatocried]

Honestly yeah

[@readingdino711]

This just makes the Swedish award show a lot more credible than others lol.

[@AG_KEMPER]

Pinely Jr. is the future of entertainment

[@dillona1001]

the rewatchability of this has me back at it again 8 months later. *Alien Cake* *Alien CAKE* *ALIEN Cake* *ALIEN CAKE* *aLiEn CaKe*

[@von186]

this reminds me of the "who's who" stuff that gets sent to high school students. where you are contacted for being a "great student" and then have to pay to have your face and bio included in a book, that you also have to pay more to get the book. except for films.

[@HideoV]

Sounds like you just discovered the pay to publish "academic journal" scene. Those that write to you "Dear Prof ${name}" when you are still at student, and invite you to publish at the journal of agricultural and economical sciences when you are a mathematician

[@Kyamusuku]

I hope you paid your writer well for this masterpiece

[@octooopus]

lost track of what this video was about half way in and decided it must be the story of scientology

[@SuperNicktendo]

Funny. I got an email from them as well and now I am an award winning subscriber of the Pinely channel. That trophy was not cheap.

[@CC-qx7hk]

Low key alien cake is a good name for a punk band with a sci-fi aesthetic

[@cidevant002]

I am just going to sit here for your brother to win that Oscar for best script, because he clearly deserves it.

[@ayoitspartypoison]

I was just thinking about how much I wanted an Alien Cake poster and then you said I could buy one in the link and I am literally so thrilled

[@espresso.froggo]

right! I just kinda wish I could get one without the awards. . :

[@Sandstimes]

Its presented in a joking way, but at the end of the day it's also a passion project written by a young boy then painstakingly animated on procreate of all things by his older brother, and brought to life with him and chad chad into something that's silly but in the end very sweet. This will become a wholesome memory, especially for the younger brother, which immediately gives it infinitely more integrity than any of the many cash grabs professional studios can put out. I genuinely felt more emotions watching this than i did through the entire lion king live action remake lol

[@pinkdarkman]

I came into this video expecting to learn about how the Oscars are rigged, but I was honestly enthralled by Chad Chad's amazing acting and the small child's beautiful writing. This 10 year old has a better grasp on writing and morals than most writers in Hollywood tbh. This was a story of how humans see themselves as above other species, but the "hero" of our movie is humbled and learns that he is not above others. Amazing. Truly transcendental.

[@nannyalberte]

came for Chad Chad, stayed for the unhinged mental breakdown

[@InertiaCreeps]

This Is The Way

[@TheThasadar]

ok but where can we see the full uninterrupted award winning master piece that is the movie "Alien Cake"

[@Pinely]

it will be up on my second channel later today :)

[@thatcher6923]

I absolutely love your lighting and angles in each of your videos. You have a good grasp on the rule of thirds and the spotlight in this video was really cool!

[@D1girlkisser]

collab we needed

[@sonderfulsable]

i adore this alien cake script so much

[@coyvideos]

You're doing a great job bro. Never give up :D

[@FlashStudios1934]

Being 100% honest I really really love the art of your short. It reminds me of those overly stylized and surreal 2000s-2010s Cartoon Network shows like MAD or Uncle Grandpa

[@masonshucart7055]

Risk of rain music absolutely makes me nostalgic. Thank you for putting that ear work into my brain again.

[@GamingGatorD]

Kinda weird how Mr. KZbinr took over this channel, hope Pinely is ok. Good video, got that alien cake.

[@jamdom1609]

I really hope there are a bunch of animators recreating this masterpiece now Can't wait to re-experience this over and over again!

[@Marj-nd2jc]

Your brother is a great storywriter, no joke. Other 10 year olds would have made stories about simple kid stuff but this is a masterpiece.

[@ObtuseMori]

Awesome to see these big collabs lately! Also, your brother's script was genius. He's gonna make it big someday. I'll keep an eye out for Alien Cake II in cinemas.

[@helenaofthetrees]

Your brother is now my favourite writer, this is awesome.

[@tverdyznaqs]

ngl, pinely's art style is kinda neat. It's crude and rough around the edges, but in a very deliberate way

[@officialblimp]

9:11 your brother’s comedic timing is just peak

[@LOL-x6e8l]

I searched the movie up on IMDb and it popped up with ratings with “life changing” “I cannot live without Alien cake” and others, I just find it so funny that somthing like that is on IMDb and has good ratings 😂

[@talinehowse1953]

In gr 12 of highschool one of the assignments for my writing class was to submit one of our works to a contest of our choice. I submitted to some anthology contest and i can forever confidently say that i’m a published poet (i didn’t win, but still made the “final cut” where my poem would be printed and i could buy the book for $50😅)

[@moominswinter]

But the important question is, are we getting a sequel?

[@ellygrimes4534]

this is absolutely adorable. i lost my little brother a few years ago now and these relationships are so unique i love it

[@pester_fester086]

It's funny how most of my favorite commentary creators have collabed at least once

[@Borealis109]

I see ChadChad is continuing her trek through the commentary youtuber multiverse

[@posiepie6613]

"labor of spite" is how all animators describe animation

[@SuperSisby]

The most tense part of this video was wondering if Pinely would pay $200 to $300+ to prove a point. Him not doing so let me breath. Instead, we got a happy ending of Pinely's brother getting to see his work come to life with both voice acting, animation, a poster, a shirt, and definitely legitimate awards. He scored when it came to brothers.

[@GriffinWulf]

I heard some academia conventions/awards are kinda similar, they tell you you've won some award in research but you gotta pay 1000$ to attend and accept it...

[@Lolzzies]

i do animation for television for a living, and Pinely's misery with making the frames for the short film is very real and relatable.

[@hammerspaceworkshop4745]

I saw a bunch of these awards on the website for Neil Breen's latest film. Oh, Neil.. how could you...

[@hammerspaceworkshop4745]

Breen movies should be able to win film awards without having to pay for them. Right?... Right...?

[@butterontoast3657]

Currently fighting the urge to get a tattoo of donut Handrofolly. The art style is unironically so good.

[@pioneerdroffner7317]

is it just me or was alien cake script kind of fire its actually original and the plot makes about as much sense as most Shakespeare plots. And it has some really deep subtext about how and what people consume and their relationship with the world around them.

[@InertiaCreeps]

04:39 Wait… I thought this was a video exposing bad film festivals… I had no idea this was a _behind-the-scenes_ expose on that sus film Alien Cake! I came here wondering about the awards shown on the thumbnail for that sus film Alien Cake wondering if mebbe they were also sus.

[@abbyjentson2563]

20:47 Not me watching this in the background while animating...... i feel your struggle. I know your pain. I am you, you are me, and we are we.

[@hallmarket]

i always thought film festivals were a thing that people went to, like you could walk through the movie stalls and watch the new movies idk

[@limner123]

Chekov’s gun: any insignificant thing that seems unnecessarily introduced to a story, and should come back as relevant later

[@juliasutton8634]

Hi Pinely! I'm an animation student and i wanna say you did a really good job. Animation is really hard, and making something entertaining is really hard. I thought your animation was smooth and fun to watch, great job! 😁

[@naikahara]

Your little brother did a fantastic job and I'm glad that he got to enjoy the end result ✨

[@mayabutlikebetter2345]

As someone who just graduated film school and is starting to submit my capstone film to festivals this was actually great information to have. My respect goes out to the writer and team of alien cake. Truly deserving of best short film of all time.