Extras - Firebirds 3rd Dev Server - War Thunder

[@TheEuropeanCanadian]

No More GROM-1 I'm sure will make many happy but there are still some beasties ready to come

[@Aqua_Nerd]

It's dumb to remove them bc in ground, literally just move out of the way and in air rb just fly faster than the gross which 90% of planes can do

[@gaijinmonk9239]

Stupid AA can't move it's ass 😭 🤡

[@2goober4u]

They just don't want risk-free base bombing, because it bypasses the frustration factory that is top tier air

[@surajsethuraman2446]

@@Aqua_Nerd they remove it because its easier to remove something than it is to just make a change to the gamemodes...

[@wolf_god1776]

I dont see the problem with that,i tested IT out and the tornado would bomb the Base before the grom could reach the Base,since IT loses a lot of Its momentum.. also you need all 6 groms to hit a airbase to destroy IT so destroying all of them would take 10+min witch i dont think is that op since a tornado can pass onece and destroy 3 in one run..

[@2goober4u]

Grom 1 only removed because it allowed players to bomb bases without having to dodge 50 fox-3s, thus bypassing gaijin's favorite way to get air players to pay for modifications.

[@Alexander.K250]

not only this but it ruins the fun of the enemys team because they cant do the same without having the same nation in their team - thus it got removed plus there is no way to counter this yet. I mean just imagine you play any other nation then russia and losing every game and you cant do anything to win ...

[@ilyaprokopenko2680]

@@Alexander.K250bombing bases doesn’t net enough rp in air rb to win a match, it’s still broken but aside from giving an easier grind to players it doesn’t guarantee wins

[@2goober4u]

@@Alexander.K250 destroying bases doesn't decide games lil bro

[@tylerkitchen476]

It won’t matter you can use an actual jet and drop the bombs faster than the grom can get there so it’s a moot point

[@Alexander.K250]

@@ilyaprokopenko2680 maybe not guaranteed wins but probably closer to a win then without i gues - dont know how it is in ground rb then with these Missile/Bombs if you can do the same over there that would be kinda broken ... but for ground in my opinion this update isn't gonna be great with the new planes and ammunitions :/

[@InquisitorKalt]

Ammo boxes? They are adding Enlisted stuff to War Thunder lol

[@MrEsphoenix]

The ammo box would be great for higher tier British AA which all seem to have low ammo counts for some reason.

[@1whitedan]

Also any gepard like system

[@syfury3403]

You forgot to talk about Dunkerque which go down to 6.7 because Gaijin can't add it properly with his true ammuntions 😂

[@deauthorsadeptus6920]

More like they gave wrong stats to correct munitions.

[@yomaster12345]

YAY AMMO BOXES now my Antelope isn't worthless

[@nick11jl]

I really really hope they add it for the antelope, it would be AMAZING.

[@T95man]

Ammo box seems op. The point of taking low amounts of ammo is to not get ammo racked the downside is you have less ammo which balanced it out, but now you basically have infinite ammo

[@biomike01]

Not unlimited, it carries the same number of rounds you spawned in with

[@T95man]

@@biomike01 ok good.

[@lk_ludikruc8358]

There are basically no top tier vehicles that will recive this feature that wpuld normaly take less than full ammo anyways like ATGM carriers, SPAA and SAM systems. All take full ammo anyways.

[@emilelerate6454]

That France rank change is brutal if you haven't reached rank 7 yet. You now need to currently research the light tank line all the way to reach rank 8, which was previously unnecessary, so the french line becomes a chore. Hope they add more vehicles to rank 7 so that doesn't remain necessary, as the 9.7 vextra doesn't seem very appealing because of where 9.7 is at the moment, as the 10.7 punching bag.

[@Elaina_The_Ashen]

No joke, and we still don’t have a 10.0/3/7/11.0/11.3/11.7 line up

[@i_nameless_i-jgsdf]

I had a similar idea like the ammo box but mine idea was to call in airdrop rather than building a ammo box. I think seeing airdrop parachute down to your location is so much more immersive. Regardless, that ammo box would be so incredibly useful for vehicles with little ammo like type 60 sprg or chi-ha lg with only 10 rounds. It would be incredibly dumb if they really give it to SPAAs and SPGs rather than the vehicles that actually need it. EDIT: Ok so apparently this mechanic is also given to other vehicles with limited ammount of ammunition such as Type 60 SPRG which is what i was hoping for. So it all makes sense now !!

[@InterstellarTaco]

SPAAs really do need ammo. Especially with all the bullshit CAS stuff in the game now.

[@AverageSealEnjoyer69]

They are probably coming for all Vehicles Classified as Tank Destroyers, not just Howitzers.

[@obsidianjane4413]

It would take far too long to be realistic in random battles.

[@stephanguerry1405]

SPAA are one of the main reason we need other ways to reload than Capture points. Be it for how the capture points are too exposed most of the time, have lot of battle with 1 points and being a f***ing obvious place for a straffing run or a bombing run.

[@i_nameless_i-jgsdf]

@@InterstellarTaco Ok i missed the word ''only'' so i supposed to write ''It would be incredibly dumb if they really ONLY give it to SPAAs and SPGs '' Because i have no problem giving new mechanic to other type of vehicles EXCEPT light tanks because they already have too many exclusive mechanics ! But as being said, this mecahnic would be incredibly useful for a few other vehicles that have less ammunition than the acceptable amount, even rocket artillery vehicles could benefit from this mecahnic.

[@missel-skibidi]

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[@BlueTurtleClips]

at 4:08 i said out loud to myself "that's pretty cool" and right after you said "pretty cool indeed" LMAO, the timing was too perfect

[@monimookee7934]

ammobox looks exactly like in enlisted lol

[@obsidianjane4413]

Code is probably ported directly over.

[@Souls_29]

The new Mi-8 has an AESA radar and it says that on the dev blog about it

[@automated8493]

Box needs to be way bigger (and highly explosive) and be built by only light tanks/utility tanks to give them a better support role.

[@stephanguerry1405]

you are asking for cooperative in a game that has lost every cooperative incentive and gaijin making sure to ruin every cooperation bonuses ? And when I see how people just drive by tanks needing repair or not even trying to pull someone who is damaged out of harm way, don't ask useless rushers to be the ammo provider... you will never see ammo when you need it. Especially when some of the vehicles needing the most ammo are not going to be running along light vehicles.

[@automated8493]

@ I always have players help me repair, and I always help others. I don’t see what you’re describing.

[@AirsoftFaction]

Another reason why Air RB is in need of a DIRE change in how it functions and the GROM 1 being a great show of it.

[@AdiLPTV]

I think the ammo boxes are a terrible idea. The point is that you DON'T just sit somewhere and spam ammo, but that you have to leave you're cozy camping spot once in a while, to get to one of the points and reload. But i see that many people like this change, and i guess we'll see how it goes. But for me it looks like something that is pretty annoying and kinda game breaking.

[@stephanguerry1405]

The issue is that many vehicles don't have enough ammo to do their jobs properly (usually SPAA). And on maps where you have 1 capture point, there is almost no way to reload once you used all your ammo. Players asked gaijin for reload areas behind the spawns or somewhere else than on capture points. And they decided that ammo box was the way to go. So as a player who often go all SPAA to cover allies, clean the sky of helicopters and planes, having a way to reload without having to suicide is something I will take.

[@lithobreak3812]

The problem is that some vehicles really need more ammo. Ideally, this would be added to just those vehicles

[@lightningstrike5024]

wait till you realise what SPGs are literally made to do

[@Consumpter]

Many vehicles that are getting the ammo boxes cannot capture points due to lack of armor, stabilizers, and/or firepower. And you certainly cant expect your team to capture points for you then escort you to them

[@michaelvigil5321]

​@@lightningstrike5024ur really trying to pull the realistic card about what SPGs are used for but not how stupid a tiny box popping in from thin air that has shells bigger than the box inside of it is.

[@daddy_marx6823]

Ammo box/ building ability in general is so cool, its probably how they're going to implement multi vehicle SAMs like patriot or S300

[@Mister-Chief]

It would be cool (but farfetched) if they added utility helos and planes that drop ammo and other things

[@StealthySpace7]

brother, the S-300 and Patriot will never come to ground RB. They have a larger range than the entire map spans. 40 miles at the minimum.

[@fboyg91]

@@StealthySpace7I don’t care. CAS has ruined top tier. I do not care if they have to constantly dodge SAMs.

[@ExcavationNation]

​@@fboyg91 lol what do you think we do already, hahaha C To the O to the P to the E

[@TheChickenJ]

@@ExcavationNationoh no you have to fly a bit low some of the time😔

[@muratakcan1299]

You're a gigachad for acknowledging the modern cool screen stuff which you do not know !

[@ĜØÔÑxĤØÜŠĚ]

I dont like the ammo box, kinda defeats the purpose of other things. I mean, why am i running out of ammo if my crew has just been holding onto a crate full of shells.

[@mattcooper6591]

Gone are the days of having to go to a resupply point.

[@stephanguerry1405]

They were almost gone already, on maps where you have only 1 point to capture as Gaijin are enforcing those days. And not much better when having 2 point to defend with those point being fully exposed with no way to reload without being a suicide.

[@mattcooper6591]

@ I can see that but they could’ve reworked it to where there was a supply point or two between spawn and the capture point.

[@tkg__]

That ammo box is big enough to hold maybe two rounds.

[@lightningstrike5024]

right? needs to be bigger

[@axmajpayne]

Gaijin: Changes map layouts to make it harder to camp. Also Gaijin: Makes ammo boxes to make it easier to camp.

[@aserkill6096]

the base reason sounds like an excuse, it takes 5min for the bases to respawn, they barely do any damage to the tickets and by the 5 or 10min mark one side is decimated. IMHO it was removed because in GRB you could carpet bomb the spawns and remove the SPAAs that normally sit there and the 46x zoom really helps to spot folks from range

[@DevinEMILE]

Lol no changes to the Brimstones. The missiles are so slow that you fly over the battlefield by the time they land. DOA if it doesn't get any changes.

[@goliath3413]

8:55 they also changed the icons, huh? I was like "wth is that blue thing..... WAIT its on everything!" Ty for correction.

[@PitchLost]

You mean X Ray mode?

[@goliath3413]

@@PitchLost no, the a-g weapon icons. They have a blue seeker on all of them

[@RomanTheMexican]

it's been like that for a really long time​@@goliath3413

[@MandaCoster]

Ngl that PLZ05 gonna be my favorite SPG

[@Pulmonox]

Oh good... I can reduce my ammo loadout to 10 shells for every vehicle.

[@obsidianjane4413]

Only TDs and SPAAs

[@biomike01]

The box will only have 10 rounds then

[@sethbowlin3554]

They could add a anti-missile platforms (1-2 of them) to defend the bases from them so you would have to target them first to kill the base

[@vojtakkojecky7765]

9:07 the ICV supposedly has to have unmaned turret according to most sources....... and probably even JSDF

[@haydendill6288]

I think the ammo crates should be limited in both capacity and how many you can carry. It should also take a little longer to built or replenish, so going to a cap or using the box becomes more of a choice than the boxes being the obvious pick.

[@tomatoflight]

I feel like both F-15Es shouldn't be super powerful. They're not air to air aircraft, and in real life they are well known for being super draggy in a turn. People would say "there's not a knot you can't lose in a turn". It's silly to add a strike fighter in a bomber tree that outperforms every other aircraft

[@simula152]

It's just an F-15 with CAS hardpoints, dude. It's not a different aircraft. It has the same/better performance as the early F-15s

[@flncrs7012]

Bcs this is how it is irl to, its a strike aircraft mate

[@bootlegpete7984]

They most definitely are air to air aircraft replacing the F16 in the BVR aspect. It literally has the best air combat record of any modern jet for a reason,102-0.

[@timspivy7463]

Ya it's weird that it's in the bomber tree after all it's not a strike aircraft it's a multirole fighter just a faster heavier more universally useful F-15C

[@razertech9354]

was the laser range finder on the Obj.140 removed? if it had one to begin with.. i thought it did.

[@NunoSilva-l6i]

They should add trailers, much better than tiny boxes

[@lk_ludikruc8358]

Grom 1 removal is unwarented. Nobody would use it in tank battles over guidied Kh38MT/L and for the bases it takes so long to wait for the missiles to get to the base it would take a lot of time to "win" since you would need all 6 to destroy 1 base...

[@Anthony1102www]

I still understand why France need the 2a4 family

[@iwyrilja]

4:57 The F-15E hud symbology is incorrect. The display right below the HUD is the UFC (up front controller) and by pressing the buttons you can switch what page is displayed. So top left is LAW (low altitude warning) currently set to 12000ft for some reason, top right is the current waypoint in this case Steerpoint 19A. TCN 10X is the selected TACAN channel so 010X. IFF leads to the IFF sub page where you can change your IFF code and how the radar does IFF. A/P NAV brings you to an autopilot and navigation subpage. AA XX-XXX IN and N-F NORM ive forgot what they do. UXXX XXX at the bottom on both sides shows the current channel for the 2 radios onboard. If you wanted to for example switch current waypoint you would enter what waypoint you want on the keypad right below the UFC and then press the upper right button on the UFC. If you wanted to enter the waypoint subpage you would press the button without anything selected on the keypad. Current waypoint would be shown on the left side instead and waypoint coordinates and altitude will be shown underneath. From there you could also change the waypoints coordinates and altitude.

[@45atanner]

Gonna be nice for aa tanks so they don't have to risk going to a cap to get more missles

[@chickenpie4402]

Now the question is, if the ammo box can overpressure, can you build it under enemy tanks as well? Imagine a whole new execution mode with spaa if you can not penetrate the opponent...

[@Hootis]

I'll finally be able to get more than 8 kills with my M41M

[@Fulcrum909]

Soon tanks are gonna be cranking like fortnite, I think building feels too much like an arcade type of thing that would be in wot

[@Chastity_Belt]

Ammo boxes is so cringe... I hate everything about it and everyone who think it's a good idea to add that bullshit.

[@i8yourDog]

Is the Luchs still in the AA tree?

[@emanueldjordje]

I have Leclerc 1 unlocked and I started researching it, will I be able to get it no matter the addition of Leopards and moving to rank VIII?

[@flncrs7012]

Look at all CAS players cry in the comments bcs of ammo boxes. Guys, we play ground battles fir a reasona, we dont need planes to dominate us, thats the point, planes need ti be a second vehicles, not the principal vehicle of the game

[@parabellum2674]

The fact that camo nets and trench building got downvoted is a travesty. Sure maybe the vehicles that had them could have been different than what gaijin wanted it to be, but to not test or have those mechanics alltogether is disappointing.

[@insultinsultan705]

Yeah massively bummed, I hadn't even noticed that a few vehicles in game had researchable camo nets, really wanted more when i saw

[@stephanguerry1405]

Fun that players downvoted an option that could have rendered the bushes much less op with everyone having an option to break the shape of their tanks

[@lightningstrike5024]

its because players keep complain about "camping" when they cant seem to understand that some tanks are literally designed to sit in designated hidden positions and fire like camping is just what tanks do

[@theaveragegamer7221]

They should add C-RAMs if the Grom1 is that much of a problem.

[@moery2435]

Amazing how they add all of this for new vehicles but France still uses the stupid circle HMD in the cockpit of the Mirage 2000-5F from the very first HMD update.... It would not be hard to just at least copy paste the HMD from the F-16 or so but no....

[@Apex_warthunder]

doesnt it make sense for Light vehicles to get the ammo box too?

[@ZeSgtSchultz]

Happy little XM800 noises

[@bwiese]

Happy little Wiesel noises

[@bruceboa4896]

Anyone excited about the bottom middle MFD in the F-15E and what that could mean? I don’t think that is an RWR, I think it’s a situational awareness MFD that you would get from like an AWACS..

[@obsidianjane4413]

The ammo boxes do do (heh) damage. Not much but some.

[@vitoscaleta439]

When does the update drop? I am hyped for it

[@maverickf1426]

we need more building mechanics, how cool would mine laying, mine sweeping be, or bridge laying, larger maps more strategical gameplay. i mean we allready have dozers, just enhance them making really large hills as hard cover.

[@lightningstrike5024]

idk why they havnt added mines yet, theyve added mines to events and we have tanks with mine protection/removal equipment

[@flncrs7012]

​@@lightningstrike5024i think there is an american plane that drop tank mines, you can chose betwen bomb and mines

[@lightningstrike5024]

@@flncrs7012 its only naval mines

[@SnowTrooper98]

so the ICV P turret is not crewless ? Very very strange since it is

[@-B_S-]

5:23 how did you get that loading wallpaper I want it

[@TheOnlyMusty]

You had to participate in the warfare 2077 april fools event that was held in 2021

[@eukalyptusbonbon2983]

​@@TheOnlyMusty They are available in the SL Lootboxes, whenever they come around. Though i only got two while spending around 60mil SL.

[@-B_S-]

@@TheOnlyMusty I did but i never got it

[@pendraig5446]

I wonder if you take overpressure damage with that ammo box when destroyed

[@obsidianjane4413]

Yes. but not much and they are wonky. Sometimes they won't finish.

[@ivanvukadin3194]

The US F15E are earlier models while the Israeli ones are bit newer then the US one thats why they get the better engines

[@michal16a]

Well grom 1 didnt gave any advantage in ARB, simply casuse 2 facts, normal bombers will still be quicker and will tak bases from Su-34 and bases don't make enemy loose tickets anymore

[@Organic_Chemistry_Junkie]

Sim EC abuse by zombie bomber scripts says hi. Those things have longer total range than the entire width of EC maps, which are 128x128km, I believe.

[@oz314]

Grom 1 not being added is such bs when all you have to do to avoid this missile is press the w key and if the issue is the bases in air realistic or air simulators then explain paveways? Basically the same thing and Gajin could just not let players have access to the Grom outside of ground and simulator battles? Like why remove it entirely?

[@Fofol0an]

Sorry Mr Russian main, but it’s a very good thing that it’s not coming. It would have still been absolutely broken whether you could avoid it or not. I wouldn’t care if it was coming if they had added something similar to the other nations as well

[@RJ-lg9hs]

Did you not watch the video? It's not being added because it allows people to instantly win in air RB because they can bomb all the bases from their airfield.

[@-Atlas98]

No, gaijobbles gib GROM-1 back

[@nicokulmann8398]

ur like the ryan mcbetg of wart hunder

[@thybonheng1485]

Unlimited spike 😮

[@lightningstrike5024]

its the same # you start with

[@martinvalm9342]

Lol camping never been easier :D

[@TheKaMeLRo]

I need ammo box for Spike missile

[@xdfantom9727]

Or QN506 missiles

[@illegalaryan823]

Very sad about the groms and the brimstones. Gib ordinance, fuck the tankies.

[@lightningstrike5024]

that doesnt mean what you think it means

[@spectarviana220]

Cant ammo box HSTV-L Sad

[@KauppaKomissaari]

I think having the worse engines would make sense as the e in wt is gonna ve a cas version and with the better engines itd be the best fighter

[@fboyg91]

The American F15E didn’t have the upgraded engines until 2022. The Israeli F15E always had them.

[@KauppaKomissaari]

@fboyg91 well if the israeli one gets them it should be a higher br or just give the us one them too

[@fboyg91]

@@KauppaKomissaari bro you're crying about getting ANOTHER 4th gen. US is so deep into 4th gens they're getting 4th gen strike aircraft while other nations only have one 4th gen or in Germany's case, they're flying a phantom into the top BR.

[@fboyg91]

Or you could follow the advice i always see US mains giving out: play a nation that got better aircraft. it isnt Israel's fault the US didnt buy the better engines.

[@KauppaKomissaari]

But the israeli one should then be a higher br too

[@G3ntl3man95]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXzYgKCilJlgqck + GAIJIN WANT NO ADD A HUGE NERF TO ALL LEOPARD2! ITS REALLY UNFAIR.

[@2goober4u]

> leopards coming to france > huge leopard nerf > coincidence?

[@FXIIBeaver]

No it isn’t. You want realism here it is. Now deal with it.

[@G3ntl3man95]

@@FXIIBeaver so leopard 2 is not capable to fire in side?

[@G3ntl3man95]

@@FXIIBeaver wach in test drive the t90m u put the gun pack the gun enter in cage, u look down pansir and thunguska missile enter in hull....of40 same u lok in side and back gun again enter in hull... abrams,leclert,ariette its all same to leopard but only leopard need this nerf huh? because is realistic.... is so interesting

[@G3ntl3man95]

@@FXIIBeaver kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGfRh2WcqsqXqtE and pl tell my here why is the gun in 0 angle and in game looking up 3-4 grade? so realistic.....

[@TheApotheCarrot]

Don't give it to AA. Please.

[@fboyg91]

Give it to AA. Make the CAS turds cry.

[@jPlanerv2]

@@fboyg91 exacly every change that makes CAStards mald is a good change

[@TheApotheCarrot]

@fboyg91 the last thing I want is 8 BTR-152D's camping on the edge of the map with an ammo box not helping me cap the point.

[@RyenLeverett-c2h]

early

[@antigriefer-kp3uu]

First

[@gumbie6959]

Ammo Boxes are dumb and do not need to be added, we already have enough missile spam from the Paper AAA from the Russian Tree. Guess we need ATGM spammers with Unlimited Ammo this add is stupid and going to cost them players in my opinion people shouldn't be able to go off into any area and Spawn ammo what's the point of Base Capturing now if this is the case!

[@lightningstrike5024]

bro does no research wtf, ok firstly none the the soviet SAMs are paper vehicles, secondly the ammo box only has the same # of rounds you start the match with, thirdly the addition was voted for by the player base which is why its being added and lastly you still need to cap in order to win ffs

[@jogoscia.9645]

American Crybabys (😭 🫵🤣) after getting the grom 1 removed are now crying for better engines

[@fboyg91]

It’s all they do. Whine about everything and suck at the game.

[@deauthorsadeptus6920]

​@@fboyg91While having the same thing. I guess they don't like afk base bombing that much (oh the irony).

[@jogoscia.9645]

@@MYFREEBRAMS I dare you to prove your point, say one thing that was removed from Americans that Russians cried for removing (btw I'm an American an Russian main and I know only American mains cry asking for removing Russian things)

[@jogoscia.9645]

@@MYFREEBRAMS "gaijin😭😭😭, Please remove grom-1😭😭😭 it's very op😭😭😭"💀🫵🤣🤣 despite The fact that The su 34 its slowest toptier and won't be able to get a single base without some faster armament 🤣🫵🫵

[@T95man]

@@jogoscia.9645it was removed because it have more range and can reach targets faster than other countries glide bombs, Russia got a cruise missile that has more range and speed. The US players are complaining about the f15e engines because Israel gets the engines and US doesn’t