F-14A & B are in a DESPERATE NEED OF NEW MISSILES! WHERE are the AIM-9L & M? - War Thunder

[@a.e.richardson218]

casually forgetting the mig-29 with r-60s which irl cannot use the HMS that was designed for r-73s

[@insertname2429]

The mig 29 that doesn't have r-73s is 12.7

[@Armata6348]

​@@insertname2429 Should get them and go to 13.0, it also needs its flight model fixed, like the Gripen.

[@derbe8647]

@@Armata6348 gaijin kinda killed that opportunity witrh the mig29g

[@Armata6348]

@derbe8647 Older MiG-29s should not carry R-27ERs, only R-27Rs, and they also have other downsides.

[@Clulessss]

the mig-23MLD also dosen't have its r-73s

[@stevendowns4378]

Gaijin: Best I can do is premium F-14D.

[@MrARNOLD]

With Aim120, if I recall test went successfully? But due to the cost ... ?

[@michaeldebondt1236]

Tek tree f14d....

[@OneMoreDesu]

​@@MrARNOLDit would be very very cool if we got that. The only aircraft to carry both long, medium and short range fire and forget.

[@Thrust1-1]

@@MrARNOLD unfortunely never on the D cat, they tested it on the A cat but never come with it, due to cost

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

@@Thrust1-1 That A model tomcat was testing it with the F-14D radar. Meaning it was essentially an F-14D

[@DoctorBruKhar]

They could also just decompress the BRs by making the top Br like 20 instead of 14 but then that would make the mid tier vehicles fun to play which would hurt premium sales so that'll NEVER happen.

[@Jhunter2007]

You don’t even need any IR missiles tbh, the virgin F-14 players just lob their ARH missiles from 50km, any return to bade

[@РусланШеремет-ю5я]

you need a brain tho thats for sure, if you cant dodge these half ton barrels i mean i cant help you, you better delete the game and never play, you can even outmanuever em without staying low or notching.

[@thunder_98-f2y]

13.0 a battle rating where all jets have fox 3 missiles

[@theasiangod5860]

​@thunder_98-f2y the difference between the 120s and the 54 is that the 120s can maneuver very well and travel very fast with the exchange that they're range is shorter than the 54. The 54 is slower and less maneuverable but its trade off is range, it can go very very far. But moving the f14A and B to 13.0 would make the f14 useless. You would make the f14 get down tiered worse than the f104.

[@thunder_98-f2y]

@@theasiangod5860 I agree with mat these aircraft needs the 9l/m

[@antimatter4733]

Yes because that's the only thing it's good at, why would I try to go into short range combat with a jet that has terrible kinematics and short range missiles?

[@treanttrooper6349]

I am convinced you are a robot that doesn't need sleep at this point 😂

[@mich421]

Is Matt Al with a KZbin channel?

[@aaronthe747fan]

Well he Brazilian but speaks English really well and you have to rember that different country are in different time zones so what may look werid to you might not for him

[@treanttrooper6349]

@mich421 no lol, he just releases an insane amount of videos

[@treanttrooper6349]

@@aaronthe747fan I know that lol, I'm referring to the crazy amount of videos he releases at all times of the day

[@placeholder7213]

I mean theres the mig29s too which dont have the r73 i hope they get those too

[@user-qq8ek4zs4s]

Yeah difference being that MiG-29(A) dosnt get FOX-3 from the getgo so R-73 for the MiG-29 is much more fair than AIM-9L/M for the F-14A/B

[@placeholder7213]

@user-qq8ek4zs4s hell they should remove the ers and just keep the r27r and I'd still like it more

[@Cohuatl]

​@@placeholder7213 Its as easy as giving the 29 the R-73s, take away the ERs from it, fixing its FM back to Sky Guardians level and setting it up at 13.0, but we know Gaijin is doing neither of those things.

[@trivixni435]

yup, i agree, f14b should have aim9m and f14a deserve aim9l

[@a.e.richardson218]

make them 13.3 and 13.7 then

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

@@a.e.richardson218bait used to be believable..

[@Rageaben]

⁠@@a.e.richardson218I disagree with those charges. If the F14B only got 9Ms and better AIM7s than the B should be 13.3. But if the AIM54Cs got buffed, then I would agree on 13.7. The F14A should be 13.0 and get its 9Ls and the Iran one should be 13.3 due to the Fakour 90s and maybe give it R73s if it ever used the R73s.

[@super-e7m]

@@Rageaben and how do you believe that f-14a iranian will compete at 13.3 with 20 g arh missiles and 35g short range missiles?

[@LethalFlashgg]

@@super-e7m Other than increasing the top BR to 14.3. The Fakours are better than the AIM-54A/C, and can often catch players off guard with how early they can be fired given their range and speed.

[@verybadslayerwt515]

Then it is useless to put the F-14D in the game if the F-14B have AIM-9M

[@pogturtle5280]

The f14D had better engines, significantly better radar, way lighter, and they could add modern aim 7’s and modern Phoenix variants

[@THECHEESE2023]

And aim 120s​@@pogturtle5280

[@bt_the_yank6234]

The f14d could use a later aim54c with smokeless motor and it could technically use the aim 120, which it was tested with but never used in combat. Not too much of a stretch considering aircraft like the yak-141 exist

[@THECHEESE2023]

@bt_the_yank6234 and vehicles like the ho ri that werent even prototypes irl were added

[@Infinite-INF]

F14D was going to carry AIM 120s, and they had plans of making an AIM 152 which if they were making for the A should have been allowed for the D

[@Scifigamer0626]

The f14a should get it's aim 9Ls and the f14b and Iranian f14 should get their irccm missiles (the 9m and r73 respectively). Of course this has the added benefit of moving these fox 3 slingers away from the helpless gen 3 aircraft that can't counter the Phoenix and Fakour 90.

[@bruhmomentum2901]

Iranian f14 will be put to 13.0 if it will get them, which i completely agree because fakours themselfs make it a 13.0 worth for how stupid it is but apparently for gaijin its not enough.

[@henne5348]

Without even watching the video NO THEY DON'T. Fox 3 spam at 12.7 is dumb enough as it is

[@TheChickenJ]

The F14A and IRAF got moved to 12.7 there are no fox 3 at 12.3 anymore

[@henne5348]

@TheChickenJ didn't know that they also pulled the normal A up as well, the iraf was at 12.7 before. The Iraf and F14a needs to stay as is for sure. It's the only plane at 12.7 that has fox 3 and it's not a shit airframe. Also one of the only planes to have 8 missiles total. You need to have some tradeoffs. Look at the harrier gr7 for example. It gets 9m's at 12.3 but it's a shit airframe for fighting. On the other hand you have stuff like the mig21 bison at 12.3. Do you really want to tell me for .3 br increase you upgrade from a fcking mig21 to a f14 AND get access to fox3. You can't be serious. I even think the bison should get the r27er and stay at 12.3

[@TheChickenJ]

⁠@@henne5348the IRAF was originally 12.3 . In what way is it a direct upgrade to the M21? You go from R73s to aim9L. They have an entirely different play style of bvr vs a lose range kills so I don’t really get this comparison. I’m not saying F14s need these new missiles I was just correcting your mistake🤓

[@henne5348]

@TheChickenJ ok then we are on the same page😂 I thought the A got moved to 12.7 after the iraf, not 100% sure though. The mig is of course not a direct upgrade, I'm just saying all planes at the same br should be somewhat equal. And I think the tomcats are more than .3 br better than something like a bison

[@TheChickenJ]

@@henne5348 yea I honestly think the bison should get R77 and go 12.7 because r77 is worst fox three and there’s only two for four Or maybe they could just add loadout based BR and we choose what we want. You hear us gaijin?🙄

[@badasstasticusbadass4908]

Complaining that the F-14B lacks the power to face the top tier aircrafts. Me in my Mig-29 without R-73s and Fox 3s: "First time?"

[@effectiveark]

The F-14A(early) is fine with Aim-9G's and it's current load out. It's an early design just like the first MiG-29 varient in the Soviet tree. I think the F-14A and MiG-29 are balanced at their BR. The F-14A get's the first ARH missile (Aim-54A) that has insane range but struggles to hit manuvering targets that at least have 1 braincell with a balanced IR missile (Aim-9G) that has relatively good range, just enough G-pull to kill targets if fired corrrectly but has poor flare resistance and a decent SARH missile (Aim-7F) that has great range but are slow and easy to dodge by turning away and chaffing due to the F-14A's radar modes and the seeker on the missile. The MiG-29 get the very maneuverable, fast and long range R-27ER that is still really competitive at top tier with a short range maneuverable IR missile that has little to no flare resistance (R-60M). I agree that the MiG-29 has a shitty IR missile but it is very maneuverable (30Gs vs 18Gs so it's 66% more G load) so it's trade off for the lack of range (only 1.5-2.0km vs 2.5-3.0km so it's basically half the range). Both the 9G and 60M are easy to flare until within 1KM so they have the same flare resistance basically. Both the F-14A and MiG-29 can dogfight but are more suited for being in the back lines slinging long range missiles due to their being better front line dogfighters (F-16s, F-15s and flanker variants). Their IR missiles are a last resort thing and self-defense missile basically. I rarely see myself using the 9G but I do see myself using the R-60M and it seems like I get more kills in the R-60M due to it actually being able to turn with the enemies as in the MiG-29 you want to get nice and close after firing ur 27ERs meanwhile the F-14A just hangs around to support as it's IR missiles tend to get flared at range or just barely miss the target since the missile isn't pulling hard enough and I'm not leading enough when I'm nice and close. The F-14B is a different case though. The F-14B is at 13.0 so it's going up against the Su-27S (1st variant) with R-73's that have IRCCM and thrust vectoring meanwhile it only has the 9L that this basically a slight more maneuverable and flare resistant 9G. Both the R-73 and 9L have the same range basically at less than 3km. The Su-27S gets the R-27ER which is still pretty fast and has more than enough pull to hit and still be competitive at top tier with the downsides being it's not ARH so you'll have to guide it all the way in and having slightly less range than the AMRAAM but slightly more range than the worse ARH missiles, the R-73 is consider to be one of the best dogfight IR missile due to it having decent range, decent IRCCM and thrust vectoring, lastly the R-27ET is a super long range IR missile, decent IRRCM with excellent flare resistance due to it's insane acceration and excellent maneuverability for it's intended long range use but poor with at best decent pull in a high off bore sight 1.5 km turn fight. The F-14B upsides are that it get's ARH missiles but the down sides being that it keeps the same SARH missile (Aim-7M which is just a copy paste F) but remember when the missile was at 12.7 it was decent but now it's at a higher BR with significantly more maneuverable aircraft that can abuse it's slow speed, poor G-load at 13.0 and the F-14B's radar. The F-14B's IR missile (Aim-9L) is easy to flare outside of 1.5km but if ur in a turn fight within those ranges where both aircraft are turning tightly and flaring it is impossible for the 9L to maneuver in time if it even somehow tracks through the large flares the Flankers and MiGs get. If the 9L does want to be used to hit a target within a 1km tail to tail fight the aircraft would have to and lead the missile to the point that a gun solution is well within use so the missile is practically useless while being used in it's intended use as a close range dogfight missile. The only time the 9L is good is if ur above the enemy, the enemy isn't flaring and doesn't know you're there (but that's what the R-27ET does but at even longer ranges lol). The Su-27 claps the F-14B in a 1 circle and 2 circle missile+guns fight but in a guns only fight the F-14B can kill the Su-27 in a rate fight due it it's 2 insane engines. Basically the Su-27 is better in a realistic dogfight. The solution to making the F-14B more playable is by adding it's Aim-9Ms to help deal with flares at least since the F-14B's intended role is to be a Fox-3 slinger and use it's Fox-2's for self-defense (9L can't do the job if it's getting flared so easily lol). The Su-27 has the R-73's which are excellent for both self-defense and dogfights since it has decent range, IRRCM and excellent turn capabilities.

[@badasstasticusbadass4908]

@effectiveark I don't have many issues with the F-14A since this is how the aircraft in real life was pretty much, a fast, long range Interceptor, go fast, climb high, dump your Phoenix and RTB, or, go down and try to dogfight something if you are Maverick enought to do so. The Mig-29A on the other hand... is a mess, sure, you have the R-27ER and ET which are very competent missiles, but the Fulcrum can only carry either two or one on each wing, and, despite of how good the R27ER is, it is still a SARH missile, you HAVE to keep a lock on to the target in order to work. Which is very hard in a 12.7 matchmaker where you will be facing F-16Cs, F-15Cs or Grippen Cs most of the time, aircrafts that can clap you up with Fox 3's. And sure, the Su-27 and the Su-33 can do decent enough in a 13.0 BR, but that's because they can carry up to EIGHT ETs amd ERs, which it compensates for the lack of Fox3's. Not to mention how wrong the Fulcrum is in the game, in real life, the A variant never got ERs nor ETs, just the regular variants of the R-27s, and the platform was built in mind to use the R73s alongside the HMDs, which is a missile that doesn't have. Alongside of how the Snail nerfted the flight model as well, no longer capable to keep up in a dogfight against a F-16 like it used to. The Fulcrum is supposed to be an agile, frontline fighter that can sneak behind targets and clap them with the R73s. But now, it feels like a "Jack of All Trades, Master of None" sort of deal, it's decent at anything, but doesn't excell at anything in particular either.

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

Besides the J-8F, Premuim Viggen, and new Event Kifr, every other 13.0 has IRCCM missiles. (Not to mention that those have modern ARH missiles while the F-14 still has the Aim-54 which has been nerfed heavily since the beginning) But the main problem is that the F-14 is being artificially nerfed (on purpose by gaijin devs) to keep it at a low BR to fill a dead spot within the US tech tree where there was a significant jump in capabilities. It needs to change.

[@Rageaben]

I agree. I don’t even understand why they keep it at the low BR to fill up a “dead spot” in the TT. Like for 13.0 you got the F15A and the AV8B, and for 12.7 you got the F16As. In my opinion the F14 should get its 9Ms.

[@a.e.richardson218]

@@Rageaben they really should go up in BR in that cause tho they would be genuinely more broken than they already are in sim

[@angelnunez6476]

Or they could add the F-18a to fill that dead spot and unnerf f-14

[@Rageaben]

@@a.e.richardson218I agree that they should go up in BR and that would give it a good reason to give better missiles to the F14s. Like the B getting its 9Ms and better AIM-7s and maybe buffing the AIM-54C and the A getting the 9Ls and maybe a better RWR if it got one later on.

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

@@a.e.richardson218 They’re not broken.

[@ilyasyaman3794]

Let's be honest. Many aircraft need changes in flight model, br or armament even some with radar. Problem is gaijin ignores it and won't change them in the near future

[@ZeePanzer]

the thing that makes the IRIAF the best one apart from the fakours, is the fact that it carry the R27R, its datalink makes easier to use the missile, since any minor notch and your radar turns blind, you can just lock another guy coming headon, and the missile will change the target. use sparrows and the sedjill with this radar is just painful anything makes your radar lose lock and if you lose, your missile dies

[@xXManhattanProjectXx]

But it's funny to get 60km BVR kills with the Sedjeel.

[@ZeePanzer]

@@xXManhattanProjectXx i like that missile a lot, but it is severely botlenecked by the radar set, kinda like the R24R on the MIG23ML, if the sedjill was paired with a better radar like the on on the F15, we would be talking about the second best Fox 1 on the game behing only the R27ER

[@xXManhattanProjectXx]

@@ZeePanzer it's a fast missile but that's really about it. It's a bit too fast for its own good sometimes that it's more of a ballistic weapon with its trajectory at closer ranges. You gotta aim the thing like an arrow and give it a decent lead against anything not flying directly head on or it just speeds off into the Ether. The R-27R feels so slow in comparison and couple that with the F-14's shit ACM mode and terrible blind speeds for its radar it's a little annoying to use sometimes. Maybe I've been using the Sejeels to much but I might need to try out the 7E-2's again, cause I could've sworn they were faster off the rails compared to the 27R but I could be wrong. I've just resorted to using Fakour's at mid ranges, 9-20km~ and treating them like overweight AMRAAMs.

[@ZeePanzer]

@@xXManhattanProjectXx the E2s are way faster, but they are too easy to notch (way easier than an AIM7F that is already easy) and they burn out too quickly. the sedjeels wont be winning any turn context, but since the buff they got, they are manouverable enough, and the fuse range they have paired with the explosive mass they have, can get you some kills you dont expect, because visually the missile missed completely but for mid range headons, the E2 may be the best weapon.

[@Armata6348]

Then they should add R-73s to all MiG-29s and Yak-141s. The AIM-9L is a great missile and is already somewhat flare resistant, unlike the R-60M.

[@magicianGOD]

no,now its no flare resistant,3 years ago it was

[@mr.gopnik4976]

AIM-9L eats flares like no others lmao

[@Armata6348]

@@magicianGOD For a missile without IRCCM, it is.

[@Armata6348]

@@mr.gopnik4976 Never played R-60M?

[@VectorGhost]

They yak never had those let alone fired them. Stop making shit up

[@a.e.richardson218]

9m entered service in 1984

[@Rageaben]

I have a bad feeling that a war is about to start in this comment section. You got those who want the F14s to have better missiles (which would be U.S mains or players who have grind out different tech trees and like playing the tomcat and want to see it have better missiles) than you have the other side (which would have different mains like Russia mains or some other mains pr people that don’t like the Tomcat) but hopefully everyone can understand each other’s point of view.

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

@@Rageaben I want the F-14s to be heavily buffed, but also sent up in BR to equalize them.

[@Rageaben]

@@mikeyplayzwrldI agree with that. I was just saying this because of what I was thinking. But I am all hands for a buff for the tomcats.

[@LordTomi2011]

Honestly, I have mixed feelings about this. I absolutely hate the F-14 and wouldn't mind if they were just removed for being "hard to balance". However, I do understand that people like it and want to fly it (and honestly, they do look pretty cool). But, with how god awful the current compression is, and how much worse it will probably get in the future, I don't think now is the time for this. Like, sure, I'd be SOOO damn happy to never ever see the F-14 in a full uptier in 11.7s, but at the same time I've been saying that Gaijin should really start considering countermeasures count when it comes to balance and I feel like it's just a check box for them, like "does it have countermeasures? yes, +0.3br". The 60 countermeasures the F-14As have is pretty much the MINIMUM acceptable amount above 12.0 I feel like, so sending them above 13.0 without decompression just doesn't feel right. I think they'd feel pretty similar to the Mirage 2000C-S4, where you have an incredibly capable fighter with some really strong missiles... but you feel like you just got mugged and had all your clothes stolen (including your underwear), so you're just trying to cover yourself with a leaf.

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

@@LordTomi2011 What do you hate about it? I think you bring up very valid points.

[@LordTomi2011]

@@mikeyplayzwrld I just hate fighting against it in a full uptier, and I've had to do that waaay too much since it was added. Remember when they used to take off, spam their AIM-54s off and land? Not fun, even if you know how to avoid them. I've been grinding with the Mig-23ML again lately and the matchmaker has been pretty awful. Had weird matches where our team had a single Mirage 2000C-S4 as our highest br plane (which is 12.3), and suddenly I see F-14s get 2-3 kills, then by the time I meet the first enemies my team is already gone. In most 12.0+ planes I don't mind the F-14s, I do love hunting them because of how much I hate them, but at the same time it is still annoying how quickly your team can fall apart against them. (I noticed something funny while typing this comment: Where I was complaining about the matchmaker, I went to check the br-s in game, found out 11.7 in rb only has 2 US strike aircraft, the 3 Mig-23MLs and 2 Tornado IDS, which is probably why the matchmaker feels so awful right now)

[@basheer2423]

Gaijin need to stop nerfing planes in their armement and flights models a planes is good = higher br. Like also the f 16a should have aim9m but higher br like the f16 block 15 of Belgium.And also gaijin need to be more historical,I heard many problems with the the first mig 29 in the game .

[@Kristian-rd1rh]

more than likely the F-14D will be the jet that will add all aspect.. if not.. well damn

[@jerichostevens2711]

i think the better solution is that gaijin gets rid of full uptiers... they're unnecessary to fill games quickly as so many people play top tier... you should only be able to go .5 br either up or down... I definitely think aircraft with only basic sarh and basic IR missiles shouldn't have to face aircraft with aim120s, r77s, pl12s, and micas...

[@2goober4u]

I remember the danger zone update... the game was pretty much unplayable for non-F-14 planes fpr about 3-4 weeks because everyone was still learning how to dodge fox 3s

[@Russão000]

If they actually fix the 54C, cuz its like the A and do nothing, while fakours ignore your chaffs, your manuvers and even the terrain

[@iamgaard]

So it's not just me, huh? I am having an easier time chaffing amraams than fakours. Especially annoying because the 12.0 meta requires you to be there before the bombers arrive and dodging fakours for 2 minutes puts you at a huge disadvantage early game, whereas at 14.0 you can simply defend midmap without retreating then go straight into trading. Fakour is way too cancer and has no business being at the same tier as 54c as it is right now.

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

The Fakour and Aim-54 cannot track in rear aspect beyond around 3km. If you go cold (away from the missile) the tomcat radar and missile seeker cannot see you. This doesn’t require chaff, RWR or any type of other skill. Just see the missile and turn away. It’s really that simple.

[@Rageaben]

@@mikeyplayzwrld True and the radar shouldn’t be this bad. Before the U.S came up with the F22 and its radar, the F14s was the most powerful radar for its time until the F22s radar came and other radars that at the same as the F22s If not, similar.

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

@@RageabenThat was the AN/APG-71 on the F-14D. Right now the tomcats have the AWG-9 which is a 1960s radar. Still very powerful, just a bit dated.

[@Rageaben]

@ Oh Mb didn’t know about that. Still waiting for them to add the F-14D.

[@Vince_070]

I gave up on the f14B after it was added to 13.0. I would just rather play the av8b or f15

[@jerichostevens2711]

persian tomcat farkour's seem to have no problem hitting their targets... regularly see persian f14 tomcats seal clubbing in down tiers...

[@DownHereInChile]

Better to have an A Late with 9Ls+TCS (and maybe BOL) and leave the A Early as a late Vietnam version

[@JTJ1944]

F-14B gets cooked in this current matchmaker plus the new event kifir

[@Cohuatl]

They genuinely dont need those missiles, they are already obnoxious with their 54 spam. What the F-14s need is a BR increase.

[@bt_the_yank6234]

You are crazy bro. They get up tiered a lot as it is. Especially the b is somewhat painful to play against Fox 3 spam. The aim54 is slow and can't even compete with the aim120 at the engagement ranges typically associated with top tier matches. At least give them the same ir missiles that other 13.0 jets get.

[@demondangr]

The f14b isnt the only 13.0 with fox 3s, but it is the only 13.0 with the worst fox 3s in the game.

[@pig1114]

@@demondangr The range and explosive power of the 54's are more than enough to make it a considerable weapon even at 13.0. I would hesitate to say its the worst fox 3 in the game, even if it pulls less than all other fox 3's. Either way the amount of missiles it can carry, the range at which it can launch them, and the general ineffectiveness of multipathing against 54's makes the F14B extremely oppressive and ESPECIALLY because it can face opponents at 12.0.

[@sammyhayden]

@@bt_the_yank6234 and MiG-23s that fight the f-14?

[@Cohuatl]

@@demondangr Then the rest of the planes with Fox-3s at 13.0 should have its BR increased aswell. Subpar Flight Performance is no justification to put a more technologically advanced platform at lower BRs. Goes from A-10s and Su-25s with all aspect IR missiles at ~10 BR to planes witth Fox-3s at 13.0

[@KauppaKomissaari]

Never had a need for all aspects on the a

[@troy_pl1138]

I remember after some patch, f16ADF with only a9L and 2 sparrows was 13.0... the worst jet in game... but he's gonna go down to 12.7 so now it's better

[@thunder_98-f2y]

Why the 13.0 b.r all having irssm missiles but the f 14 not

[@XMS-13]

All we need is a tech tree F14 at 12.3 with Fakour-90 and we are good AIM-54 are absolute garbage

[@Lulzwhat]

BTW, irccm is rng.

[@aleski6506]

nope

[@zachwilson8623]

I think they will add the F-14D in the first update then bring the F-18 in for the summer update

[@nicolaspeigne1429]

"Need" is a strong word

[@Lulzwhat]

Remember guys - no Su-37 premium, F-2A, Su-30SM, J-11B, J-16, F/A-18E, ARM's, AIM-9X, Meteor, ASRAAM, Indian subtree with Rafale, Su-30MKI, HAL Tejas in UK tree next update = no money for Gaijin. Spread the word!

[@Armata6348]

Those things definitely won't come. The British already have a Gripen and Eurofighter, and they will most likely get a Hornet, they don't need a Rafale, too. Missiles such as the R-77, which are terrible and not competitive, are currently considered top tier, so we definitely won't get Meteor or AIM-9X soon.

[@viniciussccz]

lmfaoo what

[@magicianGOD]

лулз и тут насрал

[@Warthunderplayerv1]

lol the A-10Early wit the aim 9l lol

[@Blueesteel_]

Did the f14b ever have 9ms?

[@alphawolf1786]

Yes the 9m is its main IR missile during it's service

[@deus1653]

Or f14D

[@typehyuga607]

Bro am tired,you guys pushed for the planes to get uptiers now that they get stomped on you guys are saying buff them,just leave something’s where they are

[@TheChickenJ]

That’s how balancing works. They were OP; they got nerfed It was too much;now they suck. Adding these missiles will make them balanced. Why wouldn’t you want that?

[@CtiborVarga]

add r-37m to russia at 13.0 firstly

[@STRYKER1467]

There is no carrier platform for the missile you need either the Su-35 SU-57 or MiG-31BM, the 35 is very likely to come this year and i have no idea why gaijin doesnt add the MiG31.

[@somerandomboibackup6086]

Just R-37 tbh, 13.3 Mig-31

[@fqeagles21]

Only Mig-31 can carry that, MiG 25 used R-33

[@user-qq8ek4zs4s]

R-37 will do but yeah , where is the MiG-31 at 13.0 ?

[@wardogleader3200]

F-14 IRIAF should also gets R-73 and go up to 13.3 An IRIAF on the right hands can handle the 14.0s Fighters.

[@magicianGOD]

bad perfomance,cant play altitude

[@Chilliestjoker]

@@magicianGODyou can but it can’t climb as fast as the other top dogs. More of a behind the line sniper

[@wardogleader3200]

W​@@Chilliestjoker

[@mlgrocket]

doesn't need it, already has a vastly overperforming missile (fakour) and a missile it shouldn't have as it can't use it IRL (R-27R), which is also overperforming.

[@samko10_]

bro look at fkn tigershark its 12.7 with 2 aim9ls and 2 fkn F sparrows and no HMD

[@lionhardtnook2889]

doesnt it also have nearly F-16 level maneuverability since it was suppost to be a prototype for the F-16 program

[@samko10_]

@ yeah but for what? its still so ass its not even funny every game is uptier to 13.7 and you play againts better planes with hmd 6+ fox 3s and irccm missiles. this plane should receive hmd aim9ms and Sparrows M and it will be still pretty ass for 12.7

[@Tank_Man6942]

The F-14A should be at 12.3 The F-14A IRIAF should stay at 12.7 And the F-14B should go to 12.7

[@sammyhayden]

@@Tank_Man6942 absolutely not

[@jasongreen6955]

Or the f16s that only gets 9ls

[@hudsondeweerd3910]

F-16 block 10s are physically incapable of taking anything better. They predate the 9m and they aren't designed to take radar missiles. The ADF was the upgrade that made it so they could, but that had to reduce flight performance. The Japanese block 10 that has radar missiles in game is physically impossible and historically inaccurate.

[@jasongreen6955]

@hudsondeweerd3910 i get this but why is it in a fox 3 meta and the planes that get 8 missiles some of which are fox 3s are the ones that need fixing the f16a is unplayable unless you wanna run like a rat the entire time

[@hudsondeweerd3910]

@@jasongreen6955 It’s already the single best turn fighter it can see in an uptier. It's definitelynot great now, but it can kind of work. Bring it lower and it's going to be comically overpowered. Better to air on the side of underpowered than overpowered.

[@jasongreen6955]

@hudsondeweerd3910 the bison has r73s and r27s at 12.3 mirage gets magics at 12.0 mig 29g gets r73s at 13.0 f4f gets 4 120s f14s get 4-6 arhs and then you have a grippen .3 higher with radar missiles hmd and 9ms the f16a is hilariously underpowered you'd need a 1000 chaff to make it through the missiles to get close enough for guns

[@hudsondeweerd3910]

@@jasongreen6955 It’s not great, but it can work with enough use of terrain, preemptive notching, and sometimes getting lucky with space climbing. I got the thing spaded a few days ago.

[@thundergoose9824]

Gaijin having a 13.0 fighter with 9L’s only is absolutely diabolical

[@mr.sophistication3232]

NOPE, F14s ARE NOT IN NEED OF ANY FURTHER BUFFS.

[@erlingbakke3522]

A and B are bc iraf got op missile in comparison and they went up in br

[@shadykitsune6836]

The F14 IRAF being upped was fine although the other 2 going up was kinda unnecessary, the F14A Early just don't even touch it, the only thing you can try is phoenix spam it's that bad because it's stuck with rear aspect Aim9P

[@SirMikato]

I wouldnt say that they need the aim9m but i would say that they need the realistic pheonix wich was capable to pull 25g's consistand under every circumstance and travel at mach 5 not 3,5 to mach 4 and there is enaugh evidence!

[@SuperTitoneli]

F-14D will fix that just be patient

[@alexmercer_6356]

Cool, but will the D variant ever come, all I hear is bout hornet ??

[@sightstrikemaster]

@@alexmercer_6356despite having F-20, more probably F-14D will come as premium

[@bananaarmour2113]

@@alexmercer_6356D version is more likely to come before the hornet at this point

[@TheRealSteve42]

No it won’t, lol. Adding the F-14D won’t solve the problems that the F-14A and B already have in game.

[@SuperTitoneli]

@@TheRealSteve42 aim9m + aim120 + apg 71 radar which problem are we talking about here?

[@legeraviation]

F-14A at 12.0-12.3, F-14B at 12.3-12.7, F-14D at 12.7-13.0

[@willccke]

No! the current game needs f18 and not f14D I couldn't bear to grind another f14 just for it to be basically the same plane

[@Optimusprime56241]

Yeah I’d rather have a new plane

[@vassowned7768]

Add new game modes thats what we need

[@thunderwithchrissy]

when f14d

[@MarkDrisch]

no no and no. That dumb event F-14 has forever ruined these planes for me. We don't need more reasons for people to pollute the queues with these F3 spammers.

[@Horizon_333]

Would be nice to give them just for the American planes, so there is a reason to use the normal f14 instead of the Iranian one

[@STRYKER1467]

the iranian one doesnt fit into the american tree at all, it was a horrible choice, would have been perfect for russia or china.

[@derbe8647]

@@STRYKER1467 i disagree on that. I think, that the f14 a should not have phenixes, and keep 12.7 as br, maybe go down to 12.3, while the b and iriaf keep their fox 3 and go up to 13.3

[@troy_pl1138]

Now, if you click play on jets 13.3-14.0 you can see so much rafales, EF and F15e, sooo....

[@Miratesus]

The AIM-54 and the Radar is underperforming like crazy in war thunder, Just fix them. It's already been mentioned on the forums tons of times with document evidence.

[@Kokoda144]

give them 120s and put them up to 13.3

[@mlp2034]

F-14 never carried 120s unfortunately

[@callen479]

It did but just as a test ​@@mlp2034

[@a_4523-f4z]

@@mlp2034 the early and b never did, but the D(supertomcat) was tested with aim120, but the f14D went obselete till then and never went service with them, the hornet took its place

[@Kokoda144]

@@mlp2034 I am sure they can work out some ridiculous excuse

[@concursopublico7899]

They need the aim54C+ eccm sealed. THE tomcat in right hands can beat the rafale and eurofighter in simulator

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

That will probably come with the F-14D. Hopefully it comes with the historical 25G overload, Mach 5, less drag, a new seeker, the Mk.60 fast accelerating, smokelsss motor and high AoA buff to the Phoenixes.

[@britishbred52]

@@mikeyplayzwrldthought you meant mach 5 f14 for a sec there

[@davidhume6275]

Wtf are you thinking Mat? New missiles for broken Jets? Are you totally blind to the fact that this game needs a boycott before anything new?.. You are way too far from the economy to make sense these days.

[@solo-ch6ev]

Wow😮

[@capnyt]

Add the F-14D

[@Frost_x_NB]

They desperately need Aim9 L and Aim 9M respectively. Gaijin them selves know this. On the Wiki page (the old one at least) they even acknowledged they F14A had aim 9Ls plus the service time lines up with when these missiles were in service.

[@全-l3z]

True, the F-14B can't even survive in high BR. First, you have to dodge all those countless Fox-3 missiles, and then the game just starts equally. How pathetic is the game experience for Tomcat players.

[@sammyhayden]

@@全-l3z then tomcats are fighting mig-23s which can’t compete against fox-3s

[@aleski6506]

​@@sammyhaydenyes, yes they can lol.

[@sammyhayden]

@@aleski6506 you are simply wrong

[@KauppaKomissaari]

Irani cat r73when

[@user-qq8ek4zs4s]

Hold on what ? F-14A is 12.7 for a starter . Yes it does not have all aspect FOX-2 but it has FOX-3 ... tell me which other 12.7 gets FOX-3 ? F-14 is 13.0 , yes it does not get all aspect FOX-2 but it has some of the best FOX-3 , tell me which other 13.0 gets FOX-3 ? So as you can see its all about tradeoffs . If you want both IRCCM FOX-2 and FOX-3 then those planes need to go significantly up in BR

[@isaackminhas]

F14b does have all aspect fox2 the aim9L and lots of other 13.0 have fox3s av8b plus, prem viggen, j8f,kfir c10 and you tell me the phoenix is one of the best fox 3s😂. Its is nothing compared to amraams,pl12,r77,derby,mica,r darter because the phoenix isnt designed to hit fighters

[@bt_the_yank6234]

The f14B at least needs better missiles. The aim54 cannot compete with the aim120. And the su27 at the same br gets a bunch of r27ers and r73 and people complain about the f14B possibly getting aim9m's? Seriously? I can't remember the last time I died to a Phoenix. The fakour is a different story but even then I don't die to them much.

[@user-qq8ek4zs4s]

@isaackminhas We are talking about the game here , we all know Phoenix was trash IRL. In the game AIM-54C is vastly superior to R77 / PL12 / MICA in BVR , those missiles only have the edge in ''close'' range so yes AIM-54C is one of the best FOX-3 you like it or not .

[@lmjgutano9368]

The f20 tigerc at yhe same br to the f14a is in need

[@gruller65offroad96]

This or downtier

[@user-qq8ek4zs4s]

Did this guy have the nerve to imply any of the F-14 with FOX-3 need a downtier or am i halucinating .... least suffering murica main 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Mahalcanin74]

Bro u saying that this plane need better missiles what about plane who realy realy needs that like Mirage F1C200 this plane is far better than Mirage u can atleast kill something with it.

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

You’re kidding me right? The mirage F1C is a premuim with Magic 2s. Magic 2s are free, guaranteed kills.

[@Mahalcanin74]

@@mikeyplayzwrld Play with it and u ill see. If u come so close u kill with magic 2 but u have to come in range so u can use them and most of the time u get killed before u do so. I know what am talking about. F4S I get at least 3 kills per game it’s a plane u rly can earn silver L with but this crap of the plane is just waste of money.

[@LordTomi2011]

@@Mahalcanin74 Bro, you do NOT know what you are talking about. The only thing that hurts the F1C is the awful compression above 10.0, but that hurts most other planes too.

[@y.m.9277]

F-16A perspective: Fighting other planes=gets destroyed Bombing bases=cursed by the entire team to get a life and possibly friendly fired. Pls gaijin, move them down in br.

[@farmazoniarz]

usa suffers so sad 😔🥲 luckily nobody outside of echo chamber cares

[@user-qq8ek4zs4s]

Yeah the virtual suffering in US main heads !

[@robert-i5o4s]

Add the f-14D