F-150 Lightning EV - Overall COST of Ownership?

[@Matt_Hatt3r]

Good video and interesting information, but I'm surprised you didn't also include cost savings from maintenance of an ICE F150 and the Lightning. That would add more savings to the overall difference.

[@theproffessional9]

Yeah that's a pretty decent oversight especially considering that oil changes brake pads brake discs and many other things that go wrong with the engine of gasoline vehicles is common and much higher cost

[@zsf001]

Would be great if you did a lifetime maintenance comparison

[@wam1388]

yet we still have to consider, the upfront purchase price of the new truck, the question of longevity (will it last 10 years and if it does, what kind of condition will the electric motors, chargers, and batteries be in), and also what will be the trade in or re-sell value of an ev in 10 years? Lots of unknowns and it takes more than 10 years to recoup that particular fuel savings.. add in the additional time wasted waiting on charging (since it takes wayyyy longer to charge than it does to fill up with gas), since time is money.. sooo many more factors to consider than just fuel prices when it comes to switching.. they'll get there, but it's gotta make financial sense, both for the future and the present..

[@donkeykong315]

Charging time only matters if you plan to drive near or over the range. Lowest range of the eF150s is 240mi, but lets say you are pessimistic about battery life so -15% by end of life gives you 204mi range. Should be able to comfortably drive 3 hours in any direction at that range. That’s not perfect for people that travel a lot but, for me, all my family is within that drive range. The only time I’m traveling farther is going to be for vacation or something, so not super common. Another factor not mentioned here is oil changes. Isn’t super expensive but you recoup some of that cost from oil as well, especially if you’re someone that likes using full synthetic. Biggest blindspot I see is that when you do eventually need maintenance, how does that compare and at what milages does it tend to happen.

[@fredcornelius9247]

The average buyer isn’t buying 70000 f150s many are staying under 60000. 60/80 is a big difference. I don’t know how they think the everyday joe is gonna be able to swing that much change for a truck! I appreciate the info you are sharing!

[@sethoquinn6172]

The base model of the lightning is $40,000. There are plenty under 60,000 if you can get them for msrp.

[@hardware64]

You just watched a video explaining you'd save more than 30k in 10 years just in fuel.

[@fredcornelius9247]

@@sethoquinn6172 true to a degree the extended range is starts at 72000 most people that tow or travel with a truck are gonna want that’s why I said what I said

[@fredcornelius9247]

@@hardware64 for a battery that may or may not last you 5-10 years. Then you’re paying for another new one and your savings are gone.

[@hardware64]

@@fredcornelius9247 the warranty for the battery is 8 years or 100k miles, realistically its going to be at least double that

[@RedWingsninetyone]

My problem isn't dealer markup, it's the fact that I have a good job and purchased a pretty expensive vehicle for $32k and manufacturers are expecting people to regularly shell out $80k for a vehicle. Yes, I know there are cheaper options than the ones shown here, but that's not the point.

[@Honoer]

My wife and I both have great jobs for our area, and there is no way I’m going to pay 70+k for a daily drivin vehicle, this crap has got to stop.

[@xsterawesome]

@@Honoer y'all realizes that the majority of people don't buy new cars right? They literally aren't for everybody, they are a luxury. New cars are designed for the people who buy them.

[@kevenracanelli3091]

@@Honoer buy the pro version for like 41k$ ... the lariat and stuff is overkill imo

[@Drippppppppp]

@@kevenracanelli3091 not anymore its about 50 for 23's

[@dalewesley6824]

Thank you Mitchell, a very informative video and well done!!! I am not of the mindset of EV but you made some real convincing points!!!!

[@GTNBY2]

What's considered the average battery lifespan and what is the replacement cost?

[@skyhawk21]

You’ll never get an answer to this question from the sales reps all I wanna do is sell sell sell for rip off prices

[@mariomarez2223]

$6.99 gallon in Lake Tahoe. My Badlands is a daily driver local only. I have a Lariat ER that’s been built with a chip hold. Lariat is replacing my current EV I use for commuting far weekly. I save a ton of money driving EV. I haven’t driven a Lightning yet, but that’s a tough call to choose.

[@JosephHerzog]

The fact that Mitchell did this in the Lightning on the interior work surface is PERFECT! he's showing off a feature while educating us on something entirely different. Next level 💪

[@dejesus360]

I had a reservation for the Lightning and wanted the XLT with the extended range. The standard Lightning XLT was $60k-ish. When you added the extended range, it was an additional $19k, making the pre-order @ $80k. I was not about to spend $80k on any truck, especially when a standard ICE 3.5L has a range of 550 miles. I cancelled my reservation and got an ICE 2022 XLT FX4 Texas Edition @ $60k. Until battery prices continue to drop to the point where EVs get cheaper for normal consumers, and charging infrastructure becomes more available, the Lightning will be on the backburner. Love the concept though...

[@nelsoncolon9616]

Agree, but where did you get the XLT F-150? That's a pretty good price these days!

[@dejesus360]

@@nelsoncolon9616 I bought my f150 at Riata Ford, located just outside of Austin. They only sell at MSRP prices to keep their customers happy.

[@TheMrNeffels]

its not even the battery its the fact that the bundle it with so much other crap. it should have been less than $70k for the extended battery but Ford was like nah lets make them get all this other stuff if they want extended

[@mikevachon8752]

@@TheMrNeffels Yeah if they didnt add all the extras the extended range XLT would be 60-63k ez not the jump all the way in the 70s like now.

[@hardware64]

You just watched a video explaining you'd save more than 30k in 10 years just in fuel. Now add to that maintenance costs

[@nauidiver227]

Last 4 days I've put 375 tomorrow ill be putting in another 125. Saving on gas by itself would pay this monthly payment easy. I'm buying

[@ryanb1015]

Really do appreciate the video breakdown on cost. Exactly what I needed for the position I am in. Have a 2019 Ranger on 33s and tuned with other aftermarket toys so very happy to get 23+mpg around my county here in KY. However, got my Lightning reservation back in May 2021 but have yet to hear from the dealer so still weighing my options. If I don't hear from them soon I will prob be hitting you up to get things rolling since you also do the level kit w/Rhino's which is a must in my eyes.

[@mj23bama]

Lifted lightning now you’re talking my language

[@Dude-mz8su]

Couple of things. You have to count your electricity delivery and taxes also. The lightning lariat is at least $15k more to purchase. By the end of the 10 year it will be impossible to sell with those original batteries and your range will be 100-140 miles max/charge.

[@4literv6]

Did you even watch the video? A similarly optioned ice lariat was over 75k so factor in the still available tax credit of $7,500 And the lightning is cheaper. Also the federal ev battery warranty is required to cover the pack for 8 year's or 100,000 miles minimum. Some states require the oems to cover them for 10 year's or 120,000 miles. And there are many evs out there with liquid cooled pack's 8-10+year's old still retaining 90%+ of their initial range and with over 200,000-300,000 miles. Not just teslas either. Tesloop has a few in Cali that have even more miles on the pack's. Last I saw one of their original model s had a pack over 350,000 miles on it with daily multiple supercharger sessions to. 👍🏻

[@-Dwight-Schrute]

Think of the savings over 10 years of no ICE maintenance too...

[@Xander-dx6mw]

@@4literv6 you hit on some great points that need further explanation. There is indeed a federal 8 year warranty, however it allows for degradation of up to 4% per year. Most cars average 1-2%, but after 8 years, the federal warranty only requires 65% of the pack to be usable. There is a laundry list of items that can lead to a warranty claim being denied (# of level 3 fast charges, unauthorized chargers, failure to install firmware, use as a mobile battery, etc). Kia was sued in March and won - found that limiting a person from fast charging fewer than once a week was "reasonable", and the judge denied the claim for battery replacement because the owner fast charged over 40 times in 6 months, and commonly used an unauthorized level 2 charger at work. I owned a 70d and sold it in September 2020 because after 5.5 years I had about 86% of my useful battery, and it would not reliably do 170 mile (highway) round trips without a recharge, and Tesla said that was within spec. I don't agree with a few of Mitchell's calculations: A) long term gas prices - he took the highest point in history as an example B) maximum efficiency (to date there has not been one real world test where a lightning has gotten 300 miles on the extended battery or 210 on the standard) C) he failed to account for a ~3.5% efficiency loss on battery charging D) his blend of highway to City driving likely does not mirror that if typical truck drivers. E) drive the 11,700 miles the average American drives I'm not concerned with his electricity rate because it is about average, but some places like California are closer to .23 per kW, and other, such as TN are only .097. If you drive 80% highway at 70-75 mph, pay 11 cents per kWh like me, account for a 3.5% loss for charging, fast charge twice a week (I take care of a parent Friday- Sunday that lives 147 miles away), and use the 5 year gas average, the cost per mile will be within 2-3 cents, or $300/ year. When I owned my 70d, my cost per mile was higher than my wife's Avalon, and she drove 16 miles daily on City roads, where I used to drive 24 miles on the highway. People always say EV's are maintenance free, but watch out for tires and shocks.

[@4literv6]

@@Xander-dx6mw gas adjusted for inflation is still cheaper than it was in the last great recession of 08. You claim the ev battery warranty allows for 4% degradation per year. Which is false the terms require at least 70% of the initial rated range capacity at the end of 8 years or 100,000 miles. Your own battery degradation was only 13.5% over 5.5 year's topping out at around 2.3% per year in degradation. Not sure anything you say can be taken with any seriousness. 🤔

[@Dude-mz8su]

@@4literv6 at 10 years it will be out of warranty. I see the numbers also. I like the idea of simplicity. A battery and a couple of motors. Low cost of maintenance, but would you buy one when it is 10 years old with 150k on the battery? I wouldn't. Furthermore, these numbers are for driving it in the city and like a car. Mileage comes down when you are on the hwy going 75mph and/or if you use it like a truck with payload and towing. TFL truck just tested the towing with the extended range and it was less than 100 miles. I like the innovation, but they have a long way to go. The charging network is not there. Can't even charge with the trailer attached. A 300 mile tow with the ice is 5 hours and one stop for gas. The same tow is 8-10 hours and unhooking the trailer twice which is not safe at all.

[@phoenixzohar]

Loved the video, it was helpful, however this is not an analysis of "overall cost of ownership" because it doesn't take into account maintenance differences which is a huge factor.

[@sgjesse13]

What about longevity? What if you’re a guy that doesn’t get a new truck every 2 to 3 years. You can more than likely keep a new F150 for 10 or even more years as some people do. How long should we expect a lightning to last? Before any major expense that is. New battery? How often?

[@kem09030]

I have a fusion hybrid and the batteries have come a long way since then. The car is 8 years old and the battery still seems to be going strong. A hybrid is good to compared to in the sense that they have way more charge/discharge cycles. These batteries should be good for a lot longer than the hybrids based on the cycles being lower on a full EV over a given period.

[@sgjesse13]

@@kem09030 that’s interesting! I’m not sure if ford has stated anything on the life expectancy of the batteries but I’d be interested to know.

[@jakes5530]

This video is excellent. Everyone always says the lightning is so expensive, but when you look at F150's apples to apples, the difference is only about $5-6k, which like the video shows you get back in no time. Edit: also your soapbox at 13:40 is spot on.

[@trenthammack6880]

I was hoping this would show overall cost, which means including yearly/mileage maintenance and at what rate does the battery lose its efficiency and at what point do you replace the battery and the cost of replacement.

[@troubleclliff]

I'd love to know how those batteries will do in Canada where I live too. It regularly gets down to -30C/-22F here.

[@nekikins4936]

@@troubleclliff same situation in northern Alberta. Unfortunately I would like this for myself. But the level of isolation from the next closest major city, puts me at to a high of a risk. Think in a serious situation like Fort Mac where a city had to be evacuated. Or if I need to get to work on a -30C day. Unfortunately I won't be able to look at one of these until it has at least a clean and clear 600-700mile range capacity.

[@Dularr]

@@troubleclliff probably should look at the reports. Also look at preconditioning of the batteries. Wonder how often the batteries warmers run while you have it plugged in?

[@kellykelly5896]

Great video Mitchell! I was very curious about the costs comparison to the gas truck. Answered all my questions. Hopefully you can convince the wife to let you keep both lol.

[@paulnorman8548]

The battery does not last 10 years and the replacement battery cost $25000. When traveling, charging can cost up to $40 per basic fast charge. The cost benefits aren't conclusive. I want an EV but even Ford top mechanics are not sold on the EV concept.

[@MBergyman]

@@paulnorman8548 "The battery does not last 10 years" - there is plenty of evidence with newer batteries having very little degradation over time. I bought my Chevy Bolt with over 100k miles, and no real practical loss in range. I get your concern, but statistically it is a very low risk. Regarding fast charge, again, statistically it is not relevant. If you plan to do nothing to your home infrastructure to allow you to charge, and will only be DCFC for all your charging needs, then obviously you plan for that cost in your analysis. But it is not a ding against the vast majority of people's situations. Also, who cares if Ford mechanics are not sold on it? They obviously have conflicts of interest here, as their livelihood and expertise is currently in servicing vehicles. If you all of a sudden have fewer jobs as a result of a new technology, that is obviously going to affect your opinion of that technology. Oil companies are not sold on the EV industry either, as they'd rather sell more oil. The equestrian industry was not sold on the car at the turn of the 20th century. The list of these kinds of terrible arguments goes on.

[@EssenceC]

@@MBergyman you just saved me a bunch of typing. Well said.

[@motordown7664]

Nice content. Local use only, because the Lighting would not make a great travel vehicle for my family. I do not have the patience to wait around charging a vehicle. Charging station are not designed to accommodate truck and trailer. Also, Why don’t the charging stations have covered awnings to protect you from the elements. Imagine it’s raining and you are plugging in your vehicle. This is similar to a bathtub and a toaster.

[@bdi3798]

Unfortunately for your toast, modern bathroom have a GFCI outlet which would trip as soon as you dropped your toaster in... Similarly, the EV charging stations aren't just live wires - The car and charger handshake before the power starts flowing. To the other point, most families have 2 cars. If your lifestyle calls for the convenience of ICE, then why not have one ICE and one EV and enjoy the benefits of both?

[@markp.5618]

Just have TC customs convert your Bronco to electric😁. A Bronco Lightning has a nice ring to it.

[@binki611]

Electric rates in SoCal are around 50 cents a KWH.

[@TheBloody81]

My buddy let me borrow his Tesla for 2 wks while he was on vacation to see if I would pull the trigger getting an EV which I was very interested in the Lighting and will be purchasing a Prius for my commute and long distance driving. Just wasn't sold on the whole idea of an EV.

[@niceatrya3477]

And after 10 years, when the battery is shot, and needs replacing, how much is that going to cost? It's easy to cherry pick the fuel savings, but what about the other costs.

[@vincentco7995]

it depends on several factors like cooling system, frequency of fast charging, etc. studies show about 10% loss of max range. prices are still too expensive for me. i'll be sticking with ice vehicles for now.

[@anthonygasparini1734]

Another Awesome and fact filled video on EV vs ICE Thank-you!

[@tangsta35]

I think you forgot to add some things: a) ~$1000 for home charger w/ install b) at your current rate of 16.5k miles a year, you would exhaust Ford's 100k battery warranty in 6 years. Over time the battery pack will reduce in performance and you won't get the same range compared to brand new. c) potentially higher insurance premium and registration fees in some states as well. Don't get me wrong, I can't wait to get my Lariat too! but I think people should be aware that they will need to spend more time charging on the road and more money upfront on charging, insurance premiums, and registration fees.

[@andregonsalvez9244]

Great review ! I would try and keep both vehicles if you can, but use your electric F150 as your daily driver and use your Bronco for fun driving .

[@jeremyb_86]

Exactly. I’m wondering, since he works at T&C, if he could lease the Lightning. The fuel savings would cover a huge chunk of the lease payment. More so if he charges at work for free.

[@jameskennedy673]

Thanks for the information. I watched the video where you were using a fast charging station, the waiting time for you to get amount of charge that you needed is a negative for me, it doesn’t take that much time to pump gas into my truck and we’re on our way. I’m curious when you start add all of the extras to dress it up, how much the range will decrease. I know in the future videos my questions will be answered. What I do like about the F-150 Lighting is that Ford didn’t change the F-150’s looks that much. I also like that your dealership is honest not shady. We never been that Far East of Texas, but it looks like what see from your videos, your part of Alabama is beautiful. You said that you’re dealership doesn’t do mark ups, I have heard that’s why Ford Motor Company is to do on line sales to customers directly. 👏👏👏keep’m coming

[@broncomustangponypower]

What is the costs to add Ford Home charging system and the installation cost for that also? I believe that should be included into figuring out what the total costs will be of ownership. I also believe that you must have that Ford Home charging system to reverse power your house if needed also.

[@shredead]

Very informative, thank you! Is it strange being in a "running" F-150 with no sound feedback?

[@antonioruiz7446]

A couple of factors that you left off the video. The lightning still qualifies for the federal tax credit of $7500 so the price of the lightning is actually cheaper than an equally spec'ed gas f150 gas variant. Also, if you live in a state like Texas where the state offers an additional $2,500 rebate then it makes even more sense to go electric. Also, the cost to replace your oil also goes away, replacing the oil 3 times a year comes out to about $300 more in yearly savings.

[@TheChadillac8907]

Glad someone pointed this out

[@marvbuenger9979]

Another important factor to consider: Batteries tend to be less efficient as they age. Is there any data on how many miles you will get on a charge at 2 years, 5 years and 10 years? At how many miles will the batteries need replaced and how much will that cost?

[@michelledreyer8147]

Why do people buy trucks? To tow…doesn’t matter the cost savings incentives…that’s just a way to get you to fork out the money. People buy trucks so they can tow….EV trucks fail bigly in this way. 89 miles per charge….big fail! Not to mention the batteries catch fire when in an accident and they cost between $6k to $14k+ to replace and are not even available yet. Just say no!

[@tonywahab3523]

Very helpful and extremely beneficial for those of us who ate considering purchasing an EV vehicle!

[@jamilcooper9032]

Thanks for break down of cost. I was almost ready to place order on Lighting, but purchase an Aviator. Its Dec 2022 premium is 3.89 now.

[@TheYVK]

If you're in a major city, it makes it makes sense to have an EV vehicle. On the other hand, who in the city needs a 4 wheel drive pickup truck?

[@mikecarter4572]

Don't forget all the throw away parts on the ICE, OIL filters, spark plugs etc going to the land fills. Saving the environment

[@bobbybowes4718]

The price of gas in CA is over $7.00 per gallon!!! Put that in your computer! The Ford Lighting is a great truck you can not go wrong because ford will cover all promises made on this vehicle. However if you do not have $80 Grand laying around then you will wait at least 2 years to take delivery on a lower price option. In that time there will be many new EVs on the market and you will have even more options.

[@4-LOW]

I think it would be very interesting to survey a few hundred people on the reservation lists and ask them this question: "Why do you want a fully electric pickup truck?" I think the answers would be interesting. I always assumed the draw to EV pickups was the prospect of saving money via not having to buy gasoline/diesel and engine fluids anymore. Clearly that's not the case because people are willing to pay $20k to $50k more money to get one of these EV pickups vs. a traditional ICE pickup. So....what IS the reason? Why do people want an EV pickup? Inquiring minds want to know.

[@B1G_BLaK]

It's obvious. My reason is to get sedan like mpg but with the utilities of a pick up when I need it. Best of both worlds.

[@rodneycrable7502]

If you go to TFL they bought one and drove about 1200 miles for a real world test. They spent $193 including the 3 free charges from the dealership of 183.65 KWh @ $0.43=$79 free charging = $272 for the 1200 miles. Driving the equivalent Ford F-150 getting about 28 miles per gallon, now figure average gas prices. Are you really getting a good savings on gas? Real world driving is much more accurate then an EPA website. Oh and they had to stop 11 times to charge going an average of 70mph highway with charge times between 36min-1hr. I'm a fan of the EV technology buy until they can figure out how to make the batteries without stripmining and getting them from Russia or China I'll stick with my gas for now.

[@CarlosPerezTRD]

Premium in LA (California) is like $6.79 something I little less

[@bdi3798]

Best balanced view of EV vs. gas on-the-internet. Thank you!

[@babyd47501]

Great video. Premium fuel in Los Angeles is $7.09

[@arronclark711]

Thank you very much. So what's the chances for getting a 2023?

[@djford]

would have been more realistic to use the average cost of gas for the past 10 years and compare that. Which by the way is $2.79 (2012-2021) yes, gas is more expensive at the moment but it's unlikely to remain at these highs for more than a year. Your savings are likely about 40% less in this case compared to the improbable scenario of $5 gas for the next 10 years shown in the video.

[@tonyp3523]

Why would he compare last 10 years of fuel prices when we looking in the future. Prices skyrocketed in last 3 years and will likely remain in current range. So more accurate range is likely last 3 years average vs 10 years. Probably next 10 years will be a higher average than what he has.

[@RonB2004]

I would sell the Bronco and make some extra money. Definitely keep the Lightning, that's going to hold resale for years to come because of limited quantities.

[@skyhawk21]

I’m sorry to say no electric vehicle is gonna hold resale value over the years since the battery quality degrades and it’s going to need replaced

[@RonB2004]

@@skyhawk21 A battery doesn't degrade as far as you think. We have had our Mach E for 18 months and we still get the same as what we did when we first bought it 31k miles later.

[@dannytravis7118]

I'm very interested in the f 150 lightning. I have a very important question. I have a big boat and I wonder about launching the boat if you have to back into the water. I haven't had to yet but I only take it to 1 lake now because it's convenient and close but I plan for future weekend trips. Also instead of a charge point can the lightning be charged with a generator that has the 220 15 Amp plug in. So if you're camping and use the truck battery too long can it be recharged with the generator.

[@dave3952]

I was wondering the same thing about using a generator to charge

[@alvinclose8181]

I would like to know if you could use solar panels to charge one as well

[@Vanya80151]

Water is no problem at all. Look for youtube videos of Teslas in high water as your proof. Charging on a generator is possible, but you will need to ground it or use a "cheater" plug. I am going to assume that you have a very small generator that has 120 v 15 amp plug (there are no generators in the US that do 220, but larger generators have 240 v plugs, usually 30 or 50 amp), and 120 v X 15 amp = 1.8 kW So, it will take over 24 hours to add 50% charge and about 3 days to go from empty to full. If you have 240v 30 amp outlet on your generator you can get fully juiced up in about 12-15 hours.

[@dannytravis7118]

Thank you for the information I looked at harbor freight for the generator. I found a couple with the 220 or 240 plugs. I don't know much about generator and got confused with all the information I was trying to compare between different sizes. 1 I looked at claimed that the 220 output was capable of running a stick welder. I have used one those in the past and know that they pull a lot of electricity and that's the generator I was thinking about

[@jamesstefanson652]

I'm not a Ford guy nor a ev fan but you guys put together good videos. The drag races got me and now I'm watching these full review videos. That lifted expedition was sweet.

[@unlisted8042]

This is not what I though. Cost of ownership to me is not just gas it’s also maintenance. Can you do a video breakdown of the difference in maintenance between an EV and an ICE?

[@allenfamily757]

Can you put a leveling kit and 34-35 tire on a lightning?

[@logansf1508]

I can honestly say this video has made me think of getting a lighting for sure. I have a 2017 Ford F-150 lariet with the 5.0 and the extended fuel tank and it cost me $120 to fill it up all the way. Might just have to get rid of it cuz this is getting crazy.

[@matthewcarroll2777]

I did 91k and no more failed smog finalized the order today

[@dracomon84]

I just filled up my 2012 F150 5.0 and it cost me $198. I'll take your gas bill any day. I really need one of these Lightnings. Too bad the dealers in my area (California) are selling an $80,000 spec Lightning for $110,000+

[@factsoverfeelings1776]

Also of note.... right now EV owners do not pay for road maintenance which is primarily done through.... wait for it..... gas taxes. Expect there to be increased fees on EVs soon enough.

[@scottmartin6456]

Great topic and well explained. Another valid question: How long does the battery last and how much does it cost to replace?

[@robertpatterson3106]

38 thousand to replace extended range battery

[@jacobkirkpatrick1791]

I'd love to get one, but it'll be 1-2 years minimum at best before anyone who didn't pre-order can get one (unless they pay way over msrp). I put a deposit down on the chevy, so I guess we'll see how that goes. Looking forward to see what the Ram specs are as well.

[@cassysamel3914]

How does the Chevy matchup in terms of pricing? Isn’t MSRP a lot higher?

[@jacobkirkpatrick1791]

@@cassysamel3914 Pricing is the same from what I can tell so far. They both start at $40k. But it doesn't really mean much if only one is available to get a reservation on.

[@Dularr]

Two points. Did you get a notice on rising electric rates? Also run the numbers for tires. EV are heavier. "Fun" means higher tire wear.

[@kyleallen438]

Great video as always. Live in east San Diego. Only put Shell gas in my 2017 F-150 and Monday it was $6.19 a gallon for regular. No electric for me. No plug in at work and my house was built in 1957. Would have to rewire the house to provide a plug in.

[@ownedtoomanycars]

you'd still come out ahead for wiring and updating.. esp if you got something cheaper like a model 3 or ev6

[@bodyguard1191]

That Bronco looks awesome, it's not always about MPG, but rather SPG (Smiles per gallon). If you can afford it, I say keep the one that makes you happy!! Or keep both and use the F150 as a commuter!

[@kracusomniax3933]

Keep them both and make the Lightning a daily. You won't be able to offroad with it. I let go of my daily last year to save for the Lightning but that's cause I'm teleworking. I am NEVER giving up my mustang gt.

[@factsoverfeelings1776]

Each state has a different price for electricity. Hawaii tends to be the highest with roughly 33 cents kwh. Also, are you going to account for the time to charge an all electric vehicle? If you were to have 2 F150s do a cross country trip (same exact route), 1 being the Lightning and the other a combustion engine, the combustion engine F150 would get to the destination significantly quicker.

[@chaddarr4834]

Your right but Just like most people he’s talking about driving it back-and-forth to work and around town not driving across the country

[@mpeugeot]

and cheaper considering that level 3 chargers are $0.31-0.43 per kWh.

[@factsoverfeelings1776]

@@chaddarr4834 Lets see the supporting data that backs up your claim. This is not a Chevy Volt, its an F150.

[@chaddarr4834]

@@factsoverfeelings1776 Watch TFC channel they just did that I gauntlet trail with the F150 lightning

[@chaddarr4834]

@@factsoverfeelings1776 And let me know what you think straight up. Do you think it can pull 9000 pounds?

[@roam2beborn323]

How about a silver or gray four-wheel-drive lightning Pro no options your dealer still honor the price what's that $39,999 that be the only way I could ever get one

[@craigreese4193]

Really enjoy your videos all the way over here in Arizona. I'm curious what the maintenance comparisons are on the lightning vs the traditions gas F150.

[@shaunjohnson8163]

Don’t forget to include the $7500 rebate as well. Using your numbers in the video that makes the break even negative, as in the Lightning is cheaper.

[@EpicConspiracy]

My big issue with EV is I went on a 12 hour trip in a Tesla to Georgia and it took double the time it would’ve in a gas vehicle stopping to charge. The drive home was horrible just wanting to get home. If you travel you will still 100% need a gas vehicle. I personally think vehicles like the Powerboost Hybrid is more what companies should be making more of.

[@LaJuanHughes]

You did it wrong. You must of did it like the new York times did there trip.

[@Vanya80151]

It took you 12 hours to do a 6 hour trip? I own a Tesla (my second one), and Las Vegas is about 5-6 hour drive for me (depending on bathroom and meal stops) in a gas car, and 6-7 hours in the Tesla. So about an hour longer.

[@EpicConspiracy]

@@Vanya80151 it took 24 hours to do 12 hour trip. Worst experience ever driving a vehicle.

[@Vanya80151]

@@EpicConspiracy Sorry to hear that. Something must have gone very wrong? I took my Tesla coast to coast and back in 2020 and it was a generally good experience with one close call that caused a bit of detour. OK, it was a significant detour, lost an hour plus.

[@romadonezero]

Ive got a 2005 f250 with 5.4L. 200k on it. Only thing ive done to it is put tires on it, new 1 piece sparkplugs, new set of coils, brake calipers, and gas in it. Paid $13k for it in 2009.

[@daleg9799]

Gas in Canada right now is 9.80 a gallon ($2.16 a liter) my lightning keeps getting pushed back not only in production Aug 29 week

[@brycecayer5424]

I get the point your making but your math is incorrect. $2.16 a liter is $8.18 per gallon

[@johnc5188]

Don't forget the cost of maintenance on the Ecoboost, 16K miles would need how many recommended oil changes? what maintenance is required on the Lightning?

[@xxxblanco]

Per kWh rates in CA are .34 to .60 cents each, which is equivalent to gas at $9.35 to $16.25 a gallon for a vehicle getting 40 to 50mpg, of which there are tons. This isn't gonna happen in CA fellas. I tried that site in the video, gas actually saves you $2k a year to $6k a year depending on off peak vs on peak electricity rates, under NO SCENARIO does electric save money over gas at these rates and that is with gas at $6 a gallon, the break even for off peak was $9.35 gallon gas and on peak $16.25 gallon gas...

[@EssenceC]

Not sure where in CA you live, but PG&E charges 24 cents/kWH during off-peak. They also offer a reduced rate plan for households with at least one EV, so I pay 20 cents/kWH.

[@lawrenceterrell8471]

I watched several video about the Ford F-150 Lightning and this has been the best video I've seen, I love how you break down the data and statistic about the Fuel economy and trim level options and cost great video.

[@egidiomeola]

Ride lightning for next year or two and see how the gas prices will go if the gas prices drop then buy a new bronco

[@mpeugeot]

It depends on the gas mileage and price of gas vs price per kWh. Fast Charging between $0.31 and 0.43, and gas today here in Texas was under $5.00/gallon ($4.50). Assuming that we are driving from Corpus Christi to San Angelo, TX (which I drove today in my Bronco at 22.5mpg @ 80MPH). I tracked roughly 4 hours of the trip today (3h.59m.55s) and averaged 76.5 mph including a fuel/rest stop (306.5 miles total). The F-150 on TFL driving an easier route was averaging 1.9 miles/kWh at far less than 75 MPH average. 300 miles at 0.31/kWh is $48.95 and at 0.43/kWh is $67.89. A month or two ago gas was $3.50, today the average is about $5.00; making the trip from $46.66 to $66.67. That's real world with my 2.7 Bronco today... Premium was $5.10 today where I purchased it ($67.99 in gas using premium) . So if currently you are charging at home, sure you will save some money. My Bronco was only $47,953, the lightning was how much? 80k? I can buy a lot of gas with $32k. Also what is your time worth per hour? No way you make that trip from Corpus Christi to San Angelo at 80MPH on a single charge. So add an hour to your trip time. That drops your effective average speed to 60 MPH. Assuming that the lightning was $30 cheaper over the trip, saving the time is totally worth it (I am sure that you are not valuing your time at less than $30/hour). Now, I have a 2011 F-150 3.5 ecoboost that gets about 19 mpg, can make the trip from Corpus Christi to San Angelo without stopping, cost me $10k in 2015. $60k would buy more than 10 years of gasoline and I would not have to scrap the truck because the battery doesn't work anymore. I want to see a lightning do 250k miles in 10 years like my 3.5 ecoboost F-150, it's not going to happen.

[@Youtubeuser1aa]

TLDR you can’t buy it anyways

[@byronlocklear91]

This video is not taking into account that the battery charge capacity decreases over time. What needs to be factored in is the replacement of the batteries once the desired charge can no longer be obtained.

[@michaeltrinidad1217]

I would also like to know the cost of Maintenance versus a regular F-150? Like all those fluid changes and tune-ups.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

This is good Insight but if you are using an extended range battery for its intended use, like traveling, towing, etc you would have to charge on the road where charging stations are a lot more than .14 per kWh, they are more like .43 per kWh which would definitely make a bit of difference in the long term cost gas vs electric

[@erikroberts3545]

Premium gas prices for upstate south carolina are $5.09 right now. With regular at $4.59. This is the highest I've ever seen it.

[@robertz2557]

The premium 93 mobil station here in Schenectady NY where i fuel up is 5.59 today. The part thats missing is the cost if you cant charge at home every night. The work surface in my 21 lariat is awesome along with its gasoline soul. The ev is just a soulless chunk of metal rolling down the road.

[@Dularr]

Any discussion on "free" EV charging regulation? Some states are considering requiring businesses to post how much "free" EV charging costs customers.

[@jeffreykurth2703]

I would hope you can keep both. But if not, you are the only one who can choose. You've driven both. Good luck.

[@alex_707]

Hey, don't know about your place, but LA county and many other places have cheaper electricity rate at night, which is 20-40% less compared to the day time. If Ford has charging start time and end time settings, then you can only charge during those low rate hours and save even more.

[@javieraponte7589]

Excellent video. Need to add no more oil changes, no radiator flush, no transmission oil replace, ect. 👍 🇵🇷

[@brianadams1146]

you also need to consider the cost of plates for ev's also what it cost to charge outside of your home. that changes the numbers charging at your house 0% to 100% is 9 hours to charge cost of charging places other than home is where the real number should be based off of.

[@christianduval9067]

Here in Canada, the regular F150 lariat 3,5L $75 000.....the F150 lightning $115 000...... You forget to mention you probably have to replace the battery after 10 year.......just the cost is $28 000.....labor $3000.....there goes the saving.. Also what you save in gas......you will have to pay for the restaurant....coffee shop or hotel.......waiting at the dealer charging station Not to mention the -30C in Canada will reduce the range dramaticly.....,,my sister inlaw just got her F150 lightning last friday...I give her 3 month and returned it The good side of the Lightning....this make a nice lawn ornment on front of your house.....and nice BBQ set up in the front

[@factsoverfeelings1776]

How much does it cost to replace all those batteries? Cause that will in fact eventually happen.

[@egidiomeola]

Yeah you got it right I don't think we're going to save the planet the vehicles are a lot of fun to drive that's all

[@tscoff]

I recently priced out a standard range XLT Lightning compared to a 4x4 XLT F-150 with the same features and there wasn’t a noticeable price difference. Add in the $7,500 tax credit and the Lightning costs less than the gas powered truck costs.

[@markhughes8761]

Need to consider if you pull large loads regularly with your truck and how that effects range and convenience.

[@bigpoppagus]

Don't forget Oil changes and more into the cost as well as the tax rebate.

[@TraphouseTCG]

Appreciate that point on where energy comes from.

[@jonstoehr175]

2019 F150 3.5 ecoboost owner. I can get 700 miles on one tank. Not that I drive that much all the time, but I do >300 mile road trips on a monthly basis. A lightning doesn't make sense for me. Probably the most logical option would be to buy the least costly ev and use it for my daily chores. The best of both worlds would be if Ford would make a plug-in hybrid F150. I could do 95% of my daily drives with a 50 mile battery range.

[@mkmgobl9833]

Are the batteries going to last 10 years? What is the cost to replace them? You would need to factor in maintenance for both too.

[@kamakazecam]

I’ve been 50/50, on getting the lightning or the powerboost hybrid. I hardly drive 1000 miles per year, I live 1.5 miles from my day job and don’t have range anxiety because I hardly go out of town. I wish the lightning had HUD and alcantera leather as well as heated and ventilated seats and steering wheel. I also wish the ice f150 had the 15.5” vertical center screen. I’ve heard the powerboost has a supposed 800 mile range and that to me sounds wonderful. Plus I believe you have an option for different bed lengths. Guess I can’t have everything but I still don’t know which to choose

[@streetmoney21]

You also need to add in the cost of the level 2 charger and the cost to have it installed. So through an extra couple grand on top of that price you have.

[@jasondesjarlais5507]

It's a 240V plugin like you would have for your electric stove or electric dryer. Ford gives you the adapter and cord to plug into it

[@flyjets]

What are the repair costs for these things, especially after an accident. I'd think that accidents that could be repaired in a regular vehicle would total an EV. Anyone care to share cost of insurance? And how about availability of parts. How long do repairs take at the dealership (if there is even a dealership anywhere near you). So many questions.

[@jwaterboy25]

Ok what I want to know is how far can you tow 8000 pounds with the new lightning before having to recharge.

[@schpood]

The Fast Lane Truck will be posting their real world towing tests soon.

[@christopherking365]

I haven't checked but what is the cost to install a charger at your home because this upfront cost needs to be factored into the decision as well.

[@josh3326]

My paid off 2017 2.7L with low miles using $250/mo in fuel makes no sense whatsoever to purchase an electric vehicle. I dont pay a bank anymore, and dont need to for a long time. No need to appease some tree huggers at all and go into debt for something that’s still too early to purchase in my opinion. Anyone going further in debt in these times are just insane. If I ever need a vehicle, I would buy when the economy is at its worst.

[@scottvannederynen6429]

Great to see that Apples to Apples (Feature to Feature) MSRP comparison! I note those were both 'high' end vehicles, I wonder what it would be like for a 'Work' (Low end) vehicle? I'll do that. You mentioned Ford Dealers charging premiums for these on-demand vehicles. I read an article about Jim Farley hinting at selling vehicles direct to the consumer, a.k.a. the Tesla business model. I would love to see what the ford dealer agreement is and am curious how the Manufacturer - Dealer - Service Center - Customer relationship is going to be changing? Especially, with Ford's reorganization. Disclaimer, I own what for me are substantial positions in Tesla and Ford stock. I think they will be the winners in the move to EVs.

[@todchristensen1454]

I would like to know how many Lightnings you have ordered and how many have been delivered. As we sit here today in AZ most dealers have had one or two delivered but they all have orders for 30-80 trucks. So it doesn't do much good to get excited about something you have a 3-4% chance of actually seeing.

[@JLawL]

I've got the Hummer, not the LIghtning, but even if the cost to drive were equal to a gas truck, the extra expense of the electric is worth it. Your average F-150 lasts 173,000 miles according to AAA. My Hummer has an 5 year 500,000 mile extended warranty on the battery and drivetrain. GMC also purchases your used batteries back from you to build their power walls, so even once you've got to buy a new battery for your truck, it's coming at far less than the cost of an engine. It will out live 2,3 probably 4 gas powered trucks.

[@bobisrighturwrong]

Just curious why you compared a high trim level lightning vs a low trim level lariat then add 25-30k in options? Why not start with the limited vs the lightning?

[@macuss87]

Just a note on using coal power for EVs vs gasoline for ICE. or EVs we have coal mined with diesel machines > moved by diesel trucks then diesel trains, then burned, then into your EV. For ICE cars we have: extracted by rigs using heavy fuel oil for power, moved by ships with heavy fuel oil, refined with massive coal power plant, moved again by diesel trains and/or trucks then burned in your ICE car. Even coal to power an EV is still a lot cleaner than gas if you look at the whole chain. It takes a hell of a lot of power to crack crude into gasoline or diesel.

[@theanimegamer4342]

My opinion use the lightning as a daily and use your bronco for family trips and off road camping

[@Keith-ym3lm]

man, no brainer is to keep the lightning. i can't wait for Ford to open the orders for them again.