Failing Downward: the legend of Andy

[@adamfrey4920]

Perch naming names in a video title is a clear sign he's running out of fucks. And yeah, I was never into Vertigo, but I'm old enough to remember when it was a strong niche imprint at DC that the cool kids liked.

[@drewtheunspoken3988]

I read a few Vertigo books over the years, but I was definitely not a "cool" kid. Wannabe "edgy?" Sure. But not cool.

[@Pork_Hunt]

Regarding Bob Harras, don't forget that not only was he responsible for forcing the superstar writer who turned the X-Men into a franchise phenomenon, and Weezie who went on to become a top writer for Death of Superman, but was the architect for The Crossing which tanked the Avengers line of titles and was editor-in-chief when Marvel had to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. Who made the decision to subsequently recruit him over to DC?

[@todd8398]

IDW: We need to take bigger chances with our books! _Khouri gets hired as Turtles editor_ IDW: …No, not like that! Seriously, did Andy get in by calling in a favor from Heather? This hiring baffles me.

[@todd8398]

Vertigo died when Karen Berger left. But hiring Andy as Vertigo editor made it more of an “assisted suicide” situation.

[@mechanoidwarhead5530]

lmao brutal

[@doctorogre1777]

I admit to having a goldfish memory. I TOTALLY forgot JJ Abrams and his son wrote a Spider-Man comic. I don't even remember it coming out or the reception. Also, I didn't know that Sam Wilson thing was the reason Remender wasn't working for Marvel. I always assume people disappear for benign reasons or dumb editors not calling them anymore. Now I wonder about other creators... I'm afraid to ask (lest he reappears), but whatever happened to Bendis?

[@clonegeek3317]

Out of the NYCC announcements, DC seems to have better announcements then Marvel. Marvel is just scrambling for ideas it feels like

[@adamfrey4920]

Which is an inversion of the "DC copies whatever Marvel is doing" model.

[@AL-ws5yi]

I wasn’t even paying attention to the announcements from NYCC. I was too busy hanging out with Aaron Sparrow and Drew and my friends. Haha. I did go to Skybound’s panel about what’s next for the Energon Universe. That was much cooler.

[@FlameForgedSoul]

"The key to happiness is a long life and a short memory" So a significant number of us are destined for misery, see you at the cookout Perch. Tout Gaiman all you want, but Karen Berger carried that line. James Tynion aside, We aren't exactly enthused. New slogan for IDW: "We Stay Snatching Defeat from the Jaws of Victory."

[@SharpBrothersStudio]

The crapping on Bob Harras thing is something that started with Wizard magazine which always makes me give it the side eye. Isn't he also the one responsible for taking X-Men to its absolute height in sales? I know Rob Liefeld credits Bob with helping the careers of Marc, Jim and Whilce reach such heights.

[@drewtheunspoken3988]

It's arguable that Harras did anything besides oversee the books. I don't believe the popularity of the books was down to anything he did specifically. I don't think Harras is as bad as he's been painted to be, but it's also been well documented that he was shady when it came to communication. Even his friends (Fabian Nicieza, Scott Lobdell) reached a point where his capricious-ness became too much to work around. As for the Claremont situation? If it hadn't been Harras pushing Claremont off the book, it would have been someone else. X-Men had become too big of a property to allow free reign. I think Claremont would have found it stifling.

[@jamesalexhowlett]

The only time anybody talks about recent (past five years) IDW, it’s to talk about who they have hired, or how they have run certain IP’s into the ground

[@clonegeek3317]

And Vertigo is now coming back

[@nickjanecke6688]

Kevin Smith writing comics went well? On what? Cause it sure wasn’t Batman.

[@willin]

Daredevil & Green Arrow

[@nickjanecke6688]

@@willin I’ll have to take your word for it

[@FlameForgedSoul]

Guardian Devil run on Daredevil and Batman: Cacophony/Widening Gyre. Both quite well received.

[@oldmandavid7944]

This is a great video , one of your best ! But I can’t help but feel sad the the guy who makes your sandwich knows your name and I don’t

[@clonegeek3317]

The editior joking about the hammer murder Perch is talking about is Mark Waid. Was Kelly Thompson the Rick Remender one?

[@InfamyOrDeath-__-]

Haha of course it was Mark.

[@drewkre]

I don't think Chris Claremont would be successful today. Those 80's & 90's X-Men comics were written for an audience of 12-22 year old comic readers. Today's comic readers age well past 22 years old by at least double that number. It's like recommending My Hero Academia to 2024 comic readers. MHA would be a great fit for the 80's & 90's X-Men readers as it's target audience hits a similar age group. You could also tell by 1993 that Chris Claremont time was fading in comics. Comics storytelling started to age older with the Grant Morrisons & Warren Ellis audience. Bob Harris was an idiot for not locking up Jim Lee & Marc Silvestri, thou.

[@jimgillespie6109]

Percherino!🤪

[@DIOBrando-ij2bp]

I don’t think that X-Men thing was as big of a deal as you’re making it out to be. Like sure, they lost the Image guys. But they replaced them with what would become big names fairly quickly, and Uncanny X-Men, Wolverine, and X-Men continued to be the best selling comics every month throughout the ‘90s. There was a while where Spawn might sneak into the number one spot, but the X-Men line was still the best selling stuff Marvel was making even after Chris Claremont was pushed out and Jim Lee and Rob Liefeld left. The whole X-Men thing could’ve been a big blunder for Marvel, but Marvel lucked into having Joe Madureira, Adam Kubert, Chris Bachalo, Greg Capullo, John Romita Jr., Andy Kubert, Joe Quesada, and Steve Epting there to pick thing up...although Epting isn’t on an X-Men title until the mid ‘90s.

[@DD1982]

Hey, Perch. What's the difference between Blockbuster, WCW and IDW?

[@AL-ws5yi]

So the Turtles are screwed.

[@adamfrey4920]

@@AL-ws5yi We'll know it's bad if the Turtles license moves to Image. (People may forget that Image did briefly do some TMNT back in the 90s.)

[@adamfrey4920]

Is Daniel Cherry the peak moment of dumb hiring in comics? My recollection is that the fanfare was maximally inversely proportional to the output.

[@seannyhan2254]

For me, the Jim Lee era was the nadir of Claremont era X-Men. Much prefer the Paul Smith / John Romita Jr. Era.

[@carlgibson285]

Same. My first X-Men issue was Uncanny X-Men #99 and I kept buying it until Jim Lee started co-plotting. His art was fine, but the stories were terrible.

[@adamfrey4920]

I wish Marvel would do a full Facsimile run of the Claremont/Lee Uncanny, plus X-Men #1-3. (They've done bits but not nearly the whole thing.)

[@SharpBrothersStudio]

Have you read the X-Men post 2000? It gets so much worse.

[@seannyhan2254]

@@SharpBrothersStudio I was pretty much out in the early 2000. Started the Morrison run and bailed out. I'll clarify my comment. I should have said "the nadir of the Claremont era XMen".