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timestamps!
0:00 intro
1:47 We are conditioned to think that white women cant be just as bad as white men
11:11 fandom racism strikes again
14:00 descendants
15:00 cassie and euphoria
20:11 miraculous ladybug’s constant use of white women tears
35:59 closing thoughts

[@rinibunny4576]

Also darker skin is associated with being poor & dirty back in Asia.. while pale/whiteness is associated with being rich. Which is why the Asian system & media is very based on colorism

[@spaghetti5914]

it's kinda the opposite in my area because darker skin means foreigner and foreigner means tourist and tourist means money. We are broke lmao 💀 But at the same time really pale skin means tourist too so it's both opposite ends #balkans #getmeoutofthiscountry

[@avainspired]

I feel like black girls can never be seen sad, like our tears don't have the same effect that white women have. Cassie can do the worst crap ever and people will still defend her because she's pretty and a sad girl but when a black girl character exists suddenly everyone will attack her

[@alyssapinon9670]

I can’t believe Cassie has Stan’s. Fortunately I have mostly seen people tearing her to shreds (which is understandable)

[@rinibunny4576]

For me I never actually really see black characters cry or emotional I guess now I think about it (which is sad within itself) I haven’t seen euphoria so I don’t know who Cassie is

[@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254]

Poor Gia, someone on TikTok pointed out she always looks sad.

[@whoknows9085]

@glitterbussy I thought you were talking about Hunger Games Rue for a moment and was about to say something Because White people hated Rue when they found out she was Black in the movies, even though the book literally describes her with brown skin and curly hair

[@itspienoon7883]

@@whoknows9085 even in the Hunger Games, Rue's death was seen as sad and tragic so I don't see how that criticism holds up.

[@rinibunny4576]

I remember my mother telling a story of her dark skinned Asian friend being rejected from a job because of her skin colour back in S Korea. Sadly it is more common than you think especially in Asia

[@myaccount3358]

Colorism is rly bad is Asia and some of my white friend's don't even believe me when I say east asians can also be naturally tanned/dark bc they're only exposure to it is kdramas where they only cast rly light actors...it's especially worse for south asians too

[@mirandabee2323]

I'm so sorry that happened to your mom's friend. That's so forked up. Colorism in general is so forked up. I guess "lucked" out as a wasian girl because I have light skin, but it shouldn't even be this way that I'm "lucky." From what little Asian media I do see, they always seem to cast only light-skinned people. I've scrolled through r/LadyBoners and every time there's a light-skinned South Asian man, it's a Bollywood actor. Anyone even a little darker is Asian American or British Asian, and odds are the latter rarely get cast in roles that don't Have to be Asian.

[@surreal_cactus]

i've heard of apartments in malaysia where they won't allow blk people to rent there

[@hotspot171]

Ii

[@hotspot171]

Iii

[@rinibunny4576]

Darkness being associated with bad things makes me wonder if that’s why black cats/dogs have so much trouble getting homes Same with black cats being bad luck & associated with spooky stuff a lot of the time (in the west)

[@rinibunny4576]

Very interesting study. I hope it continues to get studied more and more acknowledgment

[@harriyanna]

this has been proven to be correct. people associate dark colors with bad.

[@lucyandecember2843]

o.o

[@PhoenixRising87]

@Dan Raji I'm a Black Goth with a black cat [he's actually a tuxedo cat, but he's mostly black]; three for three.

[@ghostprince4284]

@@PhoenixRising87 SLAY! JUST SLAY!!

[@bl00dyroses]

I saw Cassie from Euphoria, *I came as soon as I heard* and saw "nah,because you right." there's still people who excuse her because of her past and still feel bad for her because of how she is crying ( still sidney perfomance is fucking amazing). But when it comes to poc girls,especiall black women I don't see the same energy

[@user-oq5xl6hp5w]

I swear, there are some ppl in cassie hive that will act like she did nothing wrong and blame her actions on everything else. like stop pretending ur not worn out

[@alyssapinon9670]

Sydney Sweeney is amazing at playing such a pathetic, despicable pick me girl.

[@bl00dyroses]

@@alyssapinon9670 you right. I want to punch Cassie,but her performance is amazing, when she's crying or having a mental breakdown,it's feel too real. Damn

[@bl00dyroses]

@@user-oq5xl6hp5w THIS. Like Cassie stans saying she had a hard life,like no one denies the fact that she had an abortion,or her problems with her dad. *but nothing will ever be justifiable for the shit Cassie did to Maddy*

[@bl00dyroses]

@@user-oq5xl6hp5w They also said "Nate was manipulating her " and it's like ??? St the beggining,Cassie literally choose to dress herself like Maddy and bit of jules just she can have Nate's ??. People still excusing her,It gets annoying tbh

[@MsFluffyninja7]

As a black woman who works in Starbucks I'm so used to Karens and white women tears it's not funny. Like I remember a few months ago a white woman threatened to throw her hot coffee on me because I told her to put on a mask politely and I told her to leave the she started crying and mumbling about her rights and how I should be on her side because feminism. It shit like that makes me not want to be sympathetic and not want to deal with feminism it's reeks of white privilege. My Manger (a black woman) told her to leave and she was banned since she threatened an employee and throwing a tantrum. Like it's a hot mess.

[@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254]

To think of how she was putting you, your co-workers, customers, and disabled folks at risk.

[@yourfavoriteoompaloompa139]

Wow I’m sorry u had to go through that bs what the actual f.

[@MsFluffyninja7]

@@yourfavoriteoompaloompa139 Thanks I honestly don't get paid enough to deal with this

[@nova4476]

people need to point out the white supremacy in feminism more 👀

[@paltheporg7821]

What a crazy, ridiculous and messed up lady! I’m glad your manager banned her, you shouldn’t have to put up with that sort of behavior.

[@ashes2inkart]

It’s funny cuz Cassie somehow went from hating on her sister to being racist and then really tried to cry on stage for sympathy and it didn’t work they was like 🍅🍅

[@alyssapinon9670]

Yes! That was the second most satisfying moment of the episode. The 1st was Maddy kicking Cassie’s ass 😂 her white woman tears had no power in that space

[@hassanalkhalaf1115]

She's racist?

[@izzyc127]

@@hassanalkhalaf1115 When Rue exposed her for hooking up with Nate Jacobs, Cassie tried to paint Rue as being a drug dealer who isn’t telling the truth even though Rue was on the road to recovery.

[@dagexhd4966]

@@izzyc127 what does that have to do with race? Shes a crackhead what does that have to do with being black XD

[@cwytchsparks]

You know this kinda reminds of the owl house where people was berating Camila and calling her a bad parent while Amity's parents was much worse but it was excused

[@opheliasouv]

also just how Luz is so often cast aside in favor of Amity within the fandom (admittedly it makes a bit more sense now w the amazing arc she's had, but this happened even early in the first season when we thought she was an antag). like hey i love amity as much as the next sapphic but why is she getting so much more attention than the literal main character?

[@cwytchsparks]

@@opheliasouv That's issue I have but when I brought up in the fandom I got so many ugly comments that I just left. Also I didn't like how Gus and Willow pretty much turned into background characters

[@namkia205]

@@opheliasouv I have the feeling it's again because of her skin color and her short hair even though in my opinion her character design is prettier than Amity.

[@FunBunIsNoisy]

@@cwytchsparks i saw someone in a comment section of a TOH video talking about the problems in the fandom and someone mentioned how the fandom favors light skinned characters over darker ones. Imediately thought of Gus. He is a part of the main cast since S1, but he does not get as much attention as the others do. Same goes for Luz but i think it's worse with Gus.

[@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254]

This is why I have mixed feelings about the often White (and Blonde) Anti-Heroine, often she is so problematic (like not just an asshole but also small-minded and weaponizes her white privilege), like do I like seeing flawed characters that are women and showing us they are human (well, nasty ass humans)? Yes. But where is this energy for Black or Brown female characters who are assholes? Often they are written for us to identify key pros in their personalities but still hated, like even more likable characters who are women of color get made out (to quote Harri, the bad guy Chun Li, Penny Proud and Maribel to name a couple); where is the "good for her" comments for characters like Devi Vishwakumar? When can we be allowed to revel in a Black or Brown woman indulge in her darker side?

[@alyssapinon9670]

I’m so happy to see someone bring up Devi! I’m not all caught up with Harri’s videos but hopefully she talks about this show if she hasn’t already. I think part of the reason Devi works as a character despite being a train wreck is due to the self awareness of the writers. They explore her motivations for doing shitty stuff and have her face consequences for it without villanizing her. I’m in the process of creating a story with deeply flawed black and brown protagonists (men and women) so I always find these conversations exciting. Poc especially brown WOC need more space to be messy without it being blamed on their race

[@skeleto3580]

We have anger sterotypes alr tbh

[@harriyanna]

so much of the hate devi got was cause she was south asian. if never have i ever was about a white girl people would not have gone do hard on her.

[@alyssapinon9670]

@@harriyanna I commented this before but if you ever make a video On Never Have I Ever I’d be curious to see your full thoughts! I’m lucky to have only been in POC spaces where people are pretty understanding of Devi (even if they don’t like her as a character). it’s sad but not surprising to learn that certain white people bash her just for being south East Asian and flawed

[@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254]

@@skeleto3580 I love some characters that fit Angry stereotypes but see how they are reduced rather than explored or depicted as complex.

[@asweetbbygoddess8418]

I also see this with the moms in Euphoria with how Leslie is shamed and called a bad mom for not putting up with all of Rue's baggage and for realizing if she doesn't want help then she won't get help and that she is drained emotionally, financially, and more. But Suze Howard is praised for being a cool mom and being a bare minimum ass mom who was emotionally neglecting her children due to her alcholism. Leslie has been the best parent on the show and a lot of white fans were saying she was wrong for that. Suze was basically a negligent ass mom who made sure her kids didn't die and Cassie and Lexi are products of that. Lexi is more independent and others rely on her in a way whilst Cassie is codependent on the men around her no matter how bad they are and doesn't know how to handle her emotions that well. People praise Suze but if anything she is half or a little more than half of why her kids are the way they are and deal with emotions and trauma in vastly different ways.

[@asweetbbygoddess8418]

Like why is Leslie expected to do so much whilst the other parents are allowed to be negligent and abusive but don't get as much criticism as they do as the poc parents. Like I hate how this fandom imo expects a lot and doesn't let these characters be flawed especially poc. I realize what Maddy did was bad putting that dude in jail but it doesn't define her as a person and she was quite literally being abused. The problem is poc especially in media are expected to be likable to some degree and rarely if ever humanize poc as they do white or lighter-skinned people. Poc is rarely if ever allowed to be flawed, vulnerable, or unlikeable because they will be treated more harshly and criticized worst than their white counterparts.

[@alyssapinon9670]

@@asweetbbygoddess8418 if anything I’m really happy with the direction Maddy’s character has gone in. She still has her fighting spirit but she seems a lot happier and kinder after dropping the dead weight of an abusive relationship

[@zoesolomon7773]

i feel like the ppl saying that stuff definitely haven’t dealt with addiction closely. it’s just dumb and racist

[@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254]

@@asweetbbygoddess8418 This. This. So many times.

[@bl00dyroses]

THIS THIS. people calling Suze the cool mom bc oh she is the cool alcoholic mom with cool messy make up(she even got called a milf). "for not putting with the Cassie's bullshit" which is half okay. But she was indeed neglecting,towards Cassie. The fact that she preferred to watch her TV show over listener her daughter problems,talk with Cassie about her seek of male approval. Or telling them when they were in puberty that their father didnt want the responsability.😭 But Leslie gets shamed for putting Rue in her place when dealing with a drug addict is hard, and not a easy thing to do.

[@bl00dyroses]

im laughing on how you edited cloe in the thumbnail,I can't wait to see this.

[@moomiira]

not to mention that cassie knows that maddy had been abused and treated like shit. maddy wasn't even mostly upset about nate, she was upset about the betrayal of her best friend.

[@user-oq5xl6hp5w]

Some of cassie stans will put the blame on everyone else. They will blame lexi, the moon, or Jesus himself before admitting that cassie is wrong. I saw someone blame her actions on the "patriarchy" (idk either yall🤷🏾‍♀️)

[@user-oq5xl6hp5w]

hell, she couldn't even take accountability. She compared herself to girls heads being chopped off in Afghanistan. Like girl what.......

[@bl00dyroses]

@@user-oq5xl6hp5w Wait,I watched the whole episode on the play,but I couldn't hear that part well. Was the part where a girl says "that's fucking racist" towards her at the stage?

[@orangeblossom9168]

@@bl00dyroses yes

[@bl00dyroses]

@@orangeblossom9168 eww,someone needs to sew cassies mouth.

[@harriyanna]

@@user-oq5xl6hp5w she basically outed herself as racist I WAS SCREAMING

[@EddyA-sw5ox]

What bothers me about Chloe being a horrible person is just the fact that she's still allowed to exist with everyone without consequences. There's no serious punishment or consequences for her actions. What is That Guy trying to tell us? That horrible people exist and can get away with anything they want and we'll always be powerless to stop them? What is the point of having her around if she's not going to change for the better? But anyways, thank you for this video Harriyanna! As always, your experiences and emotions are always valuable and worth watching.

[@mini-bi8482]

In real life, there are such people, but since this is a cartoon, it would be possible to teach them a lesson and give the children a lesson. Yes, this may not reduce real bullies, but at least the children will understand that this is not good and will learn to resist them. I don’t understand why they miss such a chance, yes it’s quite difficult to write correctly and not overdo it, but it’s also inappropriate to do so

[@dionej7405]

This whole conversation about white woman tears makes me think to last year when Gabbie Hanna made an, "exposed" series where she deflected any problems she did and tried to say that all the people she hurt and harmed her, "abusers." Also, I don't know if it's funny or sad that just like Chloe from MLB, Gabbie Hanna also acted like a nightmare on a film set.

[@harriyanna]

IM HOLLERING LMAOOO THEY DID THE SAME THING

[@IHaveNoMouth]

Yeah, I knew a person exactly like this. It's like a whole mental health disorder.

[@namkia205]

If you look closely you can see though that Gabbie Hanna is not fully white other than that I agree.

[@jenniferstudent5258]

I really hate how the MLB fandom treats Alya as if she was the most evil person ever for sometimes not sucking Marinette's ego, everyone expects her to serve Marinette when she is her own person, they write Alya salt because she once did not trust Marinette or whatever and oh gosh, she is also 14 ffs

[@maliamanifests]

Mal stole audrey’s boyfriend by brainwashing him and was praised.. Audrey gets mad and she’s seen as crazy.. like what

[@theyoshifankid]

The moral of the story - only Mal is allowed to be angry when someone forces your boyfriend to cheat on you with drugging.

[@maliamanifests]

@@theyoshifankid fr.. then she makes her mom seem like the ONLY bad guy. Like don’t forget what u went to auradon to do in the first place

[@theyoshifankid]

@@maliamanifests then in D2 Mal tries to erase Ben's memories for daring to find out she was still using magic which is literally illegal and has been used in the past by her to harm him. she then runs off to make herself the victim. . in d3 she literally tries to close down the barrier so that she doesn't have to see her dad. . According to Mal fans though the true villains are Uma, Audrey, Ben, Evie (I've actually seen people claim Evie was mean to Mal in D3) and pretty much the entire cast minus her. . I hate Mal. That's all I can say. Lol.

[@maliamanifests]

@@theyoshifankid fr

[@isthisthekrustykrab4558]

Cassie was also aware that Maddy was being physically and mentally abused by Nate and she didn’t check up on her once. Cassie did Maddy so dirty.

[@Rosemont104]

This kinda reminds of that time Sedusa impersonated Ms. Bellum on the Powerpuff Girls, and every time she "failed" to alert the girls on time for a bank robbery, she'd use her tears to get herself unsuspected and wring out sympathy from the girls on repeat.

[@bunbun4021]

Agree with anything you said in this video, Especially with Chole, Cassie, and Mal. Chole has known to be a fucking racist to Mari and other Asian characters, Cassie fucked Maddy's abusive ex and even dragged Rue by saying "Do you guys really believe her?! Like come on she's a fucking drug addict!", and Mal drugged a man, left the Kingdom because she didn't want to do her fucking job, and lied to her friends about not opening the barrier. Yet, people will defend them because they either 1. Sensitive 2. Pretty or 3. Had an abusive past and it's really annoying. Now for Mrs.Agreste, We don't know about her whole character, but people shouldn't defend her so much already and assume she's a nice person by the way the show portrays her as you said there are so many things about her that are so sketchy. Like for all, we know she might be even if not more abusive to Adrien ( probably gaslights him and mentally abuse him) without even showing it. She's basically the wolf in sheep's clothing, but people like to assume that they're still angels. Also, being an abuse victim doesn't give you the excuse to act like a horrible person to other people, of course, it explains it but it really doesn't excuse it.

[@thaypiafmarques]

Agreed.

[@MalachiXulu]

I saw Mal from Descendants 2. Lawd knows Harriyanna can’t make a video without slandering Mal Bertha 🤣🤣🤣

[@Feminazi1dc]

Lmfao I don't even watch most of these shows but it's still hilarious

[@Jai05]

Chloe was racist to Asian characters and most of her targets are POCs and people still like her cause she’s a “baddie” and was getting a redemption (even thought she actually wasn’t getting a redemption)

[@wendys_lemonade2459]

as a white girl I already know whatever you’re gonna say is gonna make sense. thanks for your videos harriyanna, I love the way you analyze media! edit: also as an example I immediately thought of Star from Star vs,,, she’s a horrible girlfriend to Tom and the main argument to defend her is that “she’s just a tEeN”

[@spaghetti5914]

Star is just a shitty character in general. It's not even about race anymore, the people who like her have very poor judge of character

[@voicedubgaming2286]

Honestly the white woman tears in fandoms reminds me of how High School Musical fans love to be like "Movie villain vs Real villain" and act like Gabriella is the real villain when Sharpay is right there.

[@no.6377]

I don't think Sharpay's the villain, just dramatic and a bit self centered. Nor do I think Gabriella's the villain. Girl's just trying to get an education while navigating romance and high school politics. If there is a villain, I think it's Troy. But that's my unpopular opinions😅😅

[@voicedubgaming2286]

@No. See I like this one bc homeboy knew what he was doing especially in that second movie.

[@no.6377]

@@voicedubgaming2286 You mean it's not okay to dump all your friends to use a girl you don't really like for her connections? 🤭

[@voicedubgaming2286]

@@no.6377 Exactly.

[@Jessica.Shawnte]

@@no.6377 somebody gets it

[@devontamosley4487]

I watched Courtreezy's 2 videos of her covering Karens, and boy, it was disturbing to see how unhinged and deranged these Karens are. I'm glad my white friends, specifically my female white friends don't act like this.

[@MeMarcusTheCreator]

I love courtreezy!

[@Feminazi1dc]

White supremacy/privledge is especially strong when the person has pretty privledge as well

[@yourfavoriteoompaloompa139]

Oh yess!

[@namkia205]

Yeah and not even the most beautiful black woman gets as excused as an average white woman. I think that's so unfair.

[@vange13113]

Also in Euphoria, they used loads of ableist language and loads of people are defending that. I’ve never seen Euphoria and I don’t intend to but it’s kinda clear that the writers put white, able-bodied (probably straight too tbh) characters over anyone else.

[@nova4476]

been waiting for someone to mention this!

[@vange13113]

@@nova4476 Me too! Barely anyone has mentioned it!

[@opheliasouv]

THANK YOU no one talks about this and it pisses me off. i don't care that it's supposed to be 'gritty and realistic' or w/e, there was never a need to use the r word so many times

[@vange13113]

@@opheliasouv No problem!! I said something because I haven’t seen barely anyone talking about this either. Exactly! As a disabled person, myself, it and peoples reaction to it, really hurt. So many people were telling disabled people who spoke about it to “Get over it” and silenced so many of them.

[@violetsden]

Omg yeah I was always so surprised by the use of the r word even now. Like what? 😀

[@elsiekibler3160]

You know, when it comes to fandom white-favoritism like this, I've definitely noticed a show recently where people often give the white girl a pass. I've had The Proud Family on the brain recently since the new series is coming out, and I've been seeing a lot of people criticizing the dynamic of Penny's friend group. Dijonay and Lacienega tend to get very targeted (and deserved) criticism for their behavior towards Penny, but nobody ever points out how Zoey is usually complicit in whatever toxic shit goes down. I've also seen people try to say she's the best friend in Penny's main group because it seems like sometimes she feels guilty about it, but she's still willing to laugh along and make rude remarks herself (like in the episode "Tweens to Twins", Penny's other friends ditch her to hang out with a now 14-year-old Bebe and Cece, and Zoey says "Bebe and CeCe are hot, and you're not. See ya!"). I get the feeling that Zoey goes along with her friends when they're wrong because she doesn't want to be teased herself since she's characterized as nerdy and unpopular. But like you said, that may EXPLAIN why she doesn't always stand up for her friends, but it does not EXCUSE her spineless and cowardly behavior, especially when Penny always stands up for her friends when they're being mistreated, like she did for Michael in "Who You Calling a Sissy?". Also, worth mentioning that from what I've seen a lot of people point out, Dijonay's portrayal as a bad friend is riddled with colorism (which I as a white person have found very enlightening), so I understand why people choose to discuss her, but I also think it's worth pointing out that Zoey is rarely held accountable for her wrongdoings (by the show, and the fandom), which I think is also linked to our perception of her as more innocent than her friends because "she's just a sweet nerd who can't stand up for herself, let alone her friends".

[@ethancox9737]

I love Miraculous Ladybug, and I was disappointed when Chloe backslid after she started to become nicer, but I haven't run into many people defending her mean actions. I guess I've just managed to avoid the ugly part of the fandom.

[@niarahancock4739]

Fr like I thought season 4 would’ve been her season to work towards becomes a better person and maybe earn the bee miraculous back. Like the betrayal was very unnecessary but they could’ve turned it around

[@jedyoung767]

Chloe did not become nicer in Season 2-3, she was still being a brat.

[@fizzydizzystudios4768]

What’s weird to me is that Ladybug already warned Chloe ahead of time that she wouldn’t give her the bee miraculous because it was too risky as Hawk Moth and all of Paris know she’s Queen Bee. (That being said she still calls on the others despite that but I digress, they’re a lot more careful with the job) and Chloe knew this. She was warned she wouldn’t be called on often if ever, and got mad at Ladybug when she wasn’t? A lot of people seem to miss or ignore that. Obviously Marinette isn’t a perfect heroine herself but that’s one thing that I have trouble seeing why people dislike her for.

[@Natashaaaliyahlukemire]

LOl same i cant see why people dislike chloe so much...

[@nickifill1772]

@@Natashaaaliyahlukemire me to I hate chole she annoys me

[@fresnelbiteu5052]

No theyre not nino and alya arent chloe was in the right

[@a.sahmed2639]

@Fresnel Biteu Nah, she wasn’t

[@SabrinaRina]

Privilege and white tears. It's living at a level of comfort that the littlest inconvenience blows their mind. And still those people who think "oh, you're so strong... so aren't you comfortable with your struggles?" towards POC. And I am conflicted between how safe and privileged I am, though I know I've had to work underpaid choosing to reduce my food budget to cover rent to get where I am and that I was underpaid as a POC at a very white work place. Also, been thinking a lot about white women making black women raise and nurse their children, meanwhile tossing black children to animals or taking them as literal dolls and play things. White men treated POC as livestock most of the time and white women treated them as toys. Met a woman a few years back that just crapped negative stereotypes as if ignorantly innocent to what she was saying. Her coworker, who was black, was mistreated at work for not being bubbly and flirty with clients like she was. She got upset that a theatre production highlighting indigenous peoples cultural erasure as "villainizing white people". She snapped at me, a mixed black woman, for listing the half a dozen things I did to improve my last job situation but still facing discrimination, as just complaining with inaction and She needed to be upset about an issue from like a decade prior. She also openly believed black people were descendants of Lucifer (thanks Mormonism). Yet she screamed bloody murder and attacked me at like 6a in the morning after getting my number from someone without my permission, for not being FB friends. Yes, unstable, but I don't think her level of instability would be allowed to continue with a family and support system if she weren't white.

[@yourfavoriteoompaloompa139]

Sooo true!!!!!

[@themagicconch.804]

With Chloe 115% the moment she started crying everyone in the fandom forgave her and forgot everything awful that she ever did. The whole history of the show even though she was one of the worst characters for a really long time smh I just find it kinda sad that everyone is willing to give her pass on bad behavior but can/will hold on poc girls in miraculous accountable.

[@kendriccoley7053]

It's called poor writing they try to give her a redemption arc but the creator hates her so much he makes her irredeemable

[@MechanizedAngelz]

​@@SweetStberries, not a Chloé _"stan",_ just a Chloé fan here but, huge agreement... Thomas should've just written her off if he didn't like her instead of complaining because it's both a bad look for him, and also the easiest way to not have to deal with her. I had faith in the show for a while but, I ended up dropping the show but, it was _genuinely_ because I was shown one of his posts talking about Chloé which just left a bad taste in my mouth... I don't care if a writer dislikes their own character, the problem for me was the fact that I just disagreed with everything that he was saying, _not the "Chloé is a bad character-" stuff, that I'm fine with, rather the way he said it all... also, in general I felt that the quality of the show was dipping personally._ I understand why people dislike Chloé, and I understand her flaws, _I just like her,_ nothing much to it really, there's nothing wrong with liking problematic characters in my opinion, and I don't think you should need a reason to like a character... I know some people disregard Chloé's actions at times but, I'm _very_ aware she's done bad things, that's not to say I forgive her for it all but, I would've been _very_ happy if she had a _good_ redemption as I'm a personal believer in second chances, _it does depend at times though as everyone has their own lines that they draw._ Also, I'm aware she had more than two chances to change but, it actually felt possible for her to change when we met Audrey who to me is one of the most vile characters in the show. I'm not here to say that _"Chloé is the best character, and that you should forgive her-"_ because no, Chloé is _very_ flawed, and everyone is allowed to have their own opinions, and everyone's should be respected. Chloé's actions _couldn't,_ and _shouldn't_ be fixed with an apology but, she could have at least tried to fix them in other ways... but, we don't see that, we just see that her mother is an awful person which makes her pitiable to some extent however _unchanging,_ she thanks, and apologizes Ladybug, _her hero_ but, she doesn't suddenly change her ways, and her apologizing to someone she idolizes isn't the same as her apologizing to Kim after she viciously rejected him... this was somewhat disappointing to me as in old concept art Chloé was supposed to be friends with Marinette just like Alya, this isn't to say she _needed_ to become friends with them but, I think it would've been very amazing if Chloé managed to make such a change that Marinette, and Alya would willingly hang out with her, if she had managed to turn her life around too I'm sure someone might've found it inspiring. _Here's the concept art of Marinette, Alya, and Chloé' as friends if anybody's curious: __i.imgur.com/sRG748k.png__._ But... that _doesn't_ happen, Chloé's mother gives her development, Chloé doesn't get development... that's not to say she doesn't change some parts of herself after everything we see in _"Style Queen"_ but, she doesn't change to the people around her, she's still just the stereotypical mean rich girl in their class, the real thing that gave her development was _Audrey._ I believe that Chloé fans like the idea of what she _could've_ been, not what she _is..._ which was definitely worsened after they _"ruined"_ her _"redemption"_ arc as you said, because some people might've felt that she was finally close to becoming a better person only for it to suddenly be changed with a reason that people didn't agree with which makes sense as every now, and then in the earlier days of the show Chloé would do, an occasional good deed or, feel bad so, some people might've felt that it was possible for her to change her ways, and eventually become a better person only for it to go south due to the _"redemption"_ itself just not being well executed as she does _nothing_ to really redeem herself to others that _aren't_ the main characters, and she ends up joining up with Hawkmoth which just felt like a weird writing decision to me at the very least, _why would you give her this "redemption" arc then make her side with the big bad guy? I just never understood it, and I personally just disagree with the reason of "Well, some people don't change-" as Thomas said, especially since Chloé is a child, I'm aware she's old enough to at least understand that she's not being nice but, I do sincerely believe that given the right environment or, perhaps people Chloé can change._ I really _didn't_ mean to write so long by the way but, I just haven't gotten my opinions on Chloé out in a while so, sorry about that.

[@nickifill1772]

@@MechanizedAngelz I agery I hate chole so much in my opinion she mean bossy rich spoiled brat she reminds me of pacifica northwest expected Pacifica better than chole because at least Pacifica change and got character development unlike chole who still stayed a idiot bully so agery chole should leave the show not only because I hate chole but I think she should leave also because there doing nothing with her character except making her the but monkey so why keep her in the show if her just going to make her the but of the joke know just have her movi to new York with her mom in my opinion

[@MechanizedAngelz]

@@nickifill1772, that is _so_ true with Pacifica, she's just a better Chloé in basically _every_ way... Pacifica is _more or, less_ everything I _wanted_ Chloé to be. I also, agree that getting rid of Chloé is the _best_ option, as you said she exists to be disliked in the show, a character to laugh at for their foolishness or, for when our main character one ups them, I personally think she should've moved to New York with her mom as well, and it honestly could've been a possibility too bad it didn't happened. My only wish for her now is for her to get out of the show, liking a character for what they once were _or, what they could've been_ as they slowly get _worse, and worse_ is _awful..._ I'm aware Chloé was _never_ the best but, I believed that she could make a change, and I _still_ do some extent if her _"redemption"_ arc _didn't_ go the way it did, I do think she could've changed her ways, and became a better person but, that's just _not_ the way it went. Somewhat unrelated but, I can't stand how Marinette is trying to make Audrey appreciate Chloé _or, not go to New York without her, one or, the other_ so, instead of saying something nice about her, Marinette insults them both, Marinette had a _chance_ to perhaps make Chloé friendly with her, and she blows it... it aggravates me to _no_ end, I'm fine if she was mean to Chloé prior but, at the _best_ opportunity where Chloé is at a pretty _low_ point, she insults her, _and_ her _"mother"._

[@nickifill1772]

@@MechanizedAngelz yes I agery with everything you said you're speaking facts and I respect your opinion it's I do think chole can change though with zoe help I have a theory zoe will.be the one to change chole form idiot bully and a jerk to a nicer person I my not like or care for chole but I still have some hope because I believe everyone deserves a chance to change if they take it even chole pluse zoe the only one with enough patience to help chole

[@thaypiafmarques]

This video is perfect in so many ways and you did a incredible job as always Harryianna. As a white brazilian and autistic person,I´ve seen this situation of white neurotypical women of my country making gaslighting and crying to make not only with my friends,but with me too.

[@harriyanna]

thank you so much!!!!

[@thaypiafmarques]

@@harriyanna You're welcome, Harriyanna Hook! ♥️

[@zondreab6689]

i actually quit my job bc the ww (managers) would call off (leaving me alone) or flat out leave. it happened so many times, they really do believe they can do anything, it’s fuckin crazy. whenever i did have another co-worker, they would be other blk wmn. we mostly talked about our pay and both decided to leave later that week. forever grateful for her 🖤.

[@Babyteef]

I just wanna mention real quick on the topic of Chloe’s white woman tears, she uses them CONSTANTLY. Anytime she pretends to be sad and ask her daddy to get her something? That counts. For the Chloe stans i GET why you wanna defend her and at some point i stop blaming the charcter and moreso the writers but you gotta realise that this girl is DOOMED because of that behavior

[@lesvian-rika]

Where I live I never walk around with a hood on. I always have to codeswitch when it comes to talking to people so I don't come off as "Ghetto" yet its just simple AAVE. I've been told I'm not allowed to wear braids of any kind because its "unprofessional". I have to deal with people constantly eying me like I dont deserve to work at my job. Many yt people deny my services, even when I'm the only person who can help them. My female coworkers constantly try (and fail) to speak AAVE to me and only me when they want to talk. And don't get me started on my male coworkers. It gets tiring having to constantly put up with this while also being told that I have to "Move on" about it. I can't get mad cause then I'll be fired or have something worse happen. So all I can do is just save up my money so I can move somewhere better.

[@alandoodles]

Man, that really sucks.

[@ea7109]

🥺🧡🧡🧡

[@ItzmeMaddy]

The amount of hate Kagami from Miraculous gets is ridiculous.

[@afrolens9532]

I'm an emotional person. But too many times in my life am I told to stop crying because it's a nusiance when I do it. So I'm prone to going off someplace else in hopes I don't bring attention to myself. I don't want to be the "selfish" person in the room basically So whenever I see a White woman cry, especially for something they are in the wrong for, and get flooded with emotional support, I just feel hopeless. Like I cry, because I just saw a friend get hurt when I could've probably prevented it, all while making sure they are okay. These people cry because I told them what they said was pretty racist, and now they are devastaed that I would think that because they have Black friends. There have been times in my life where I've seen White Women's Tears turn a situation deadly so fast. It's emotionally draining yall

[@wendys_lemonade2459]

it’s awful. you aren’t being selfish for expressing your emotions, you’re a person who needs to be treated with as much care and respect as everyone else

[@moona3206]

Im sorry you have to swallow your emotions so much ppl shouldn't shame you for being human. Ppl need to stop assuming the poc is automatically a nuisance and the white woman is automatically a victim ....

[@thiefpotato2759]

Thank you for making this video. White women tears should be a discussion we need to have because it can hurt people, but people always assume racism when we do. As a neurodivergent person, I have literally had such a bad issue with white neurotypicals being ableist or assuming the worst (because I am neurodivergent) then crying because I didn't just accept their fake apology. I see crying from white people as a sign of manipulation and nothing else. Especially since I see the same people climbing to defend white neurotypicals call out black women and neurodivergent people for "faking their tears".

[@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254]

Are we the same person?

[@zoesolomon7773]

what really gets me with a lot of fandoms forgiving and defending characters over their white woman tears is that about half the time the narrative doesn’t even paint them as a good person!!! cassie looks crazy in euphoria, she constantly embarrasses herself and she isn’t sympathetic. how is anyone defending stuff like that?

[@Jessica.Shawnte]

So that means she can’t have fans? It’s fiction people can like who they like I don’t even like Cassie but this whole thing is weird everybody on that show looks crazy even Maddie who y’all seem to sympathy for after everything she done in season 1

[@zoesolomon7773]

@@Jessica.Shawnte no i’m a fan of (season 1 at least) cassie but her actions aren’t really defensible. her own defense of them is weak at BEST. so no it’s not that ppl can’t be fans of hers it’s just that her being sad abt her circumstances and crying all the time doesn’t make anything she did okay, it’s not sympathetic

[@mirandabee2323]

Should I make a Harriyanna bingo card? I would put "mentions Miraculous Ladybug" and "insults Mal Bertha" on it, lol.

[@harriyanna]

lmaooo PLEASE

[@isthisthekrustykrab4558]

Not to mention, Chloe stans wanted Chloe to be on the team so Marinette could teach her how to be a better person. Like girl it is never a WoC’a job to better a white woman. Also before any of y’all say “Marinette is half-white”, Marinette is perceived in the show as an Asian girl despite her mixed heritage. Marinette is not white passing in the show so they are not on the same playing field. Chloe was racist to Marinette on so many accusations. Marinette still gave her a chance and Chloe messed up. That is not on Marinette. And I find it very suspicious that Chloe always singles out Marinette and Alya out of everyone she bullies. Also a white woman you forgot is Lila. She gets away with so much stuff and the fandom still defends her despite her being just as bad as Gabriel.

[@yellowmesh7821]

"being just as bad as Gabriel" fam, crack is wack...

[@gabrieleronzino3745]

Or because people have all the right to love villains since it’s just fiction, that includes liking gabriel, Lila, Chloe and the others

[@sihchenliang7260]

Here's a job hunting story I heard in china: One british black guy and another European country's white woman interviewing the same English teacher job. That black guy acutually got bachelor degree and one year teaching experience, but that cram school eventually pick the white woman, who can't even speak fluently in English and no teaching experience. Some staff from the cram school secretly told that guy the reason he failed because some parents are raging if they let a dark skinned black man be their kids' teacher they're gonna ask for refund and they don't want the man teach the kids “werid accent”. Not only based on racism and colorism, china also got a huge bureaucracy problem (but government keeps silencing these issues). When these three combined together, it just got worse.

[@bobatealily]

About Lizzie Borden, she’s gotta be one of the most glamorized, idolized, and glorified murderers ever and it’s disturbing and it’s even lowkey mainstream to idolize her… There’s a “nursery rhyme” about her and kids would often sing the song while jumping rope. “Lizzie Borden took an ax And gave her mother 40 whacks When she saw what she had done She gave her father 41” There’s a Lifetime TV series about her called The Lizzie Borden Chronicles I don’t know any media where she’s portrayed as a villain or if there are any villains based on her. People love her way too much and it grinds my gears.

[@ninafresafresa4122]

Harri I just want to say that I love your videos so much, they actually remind me of my college courses that I’ve taken so to whoever is saying that “oh she’s making things up” no she isn’t she’s just talking about issues that people like to avoid or consider doing censorship on these issues are so important and Harri keep up the good work your genuinely amazing

[@harriyanna]

thank you so much!!!!! like yea im literally in school for african american studies our lectures are like this

[@crystalfairy912]

Isn’t Chloe responsible for a lot of characters getting akumatized in earlier seasons too?

[@rinibunny4576]

Chloe has fans🥴? Like I understand having empathy for the neglect/abuse in her life but defending her bratty behaviour? Upbringing can explain it but doesn’t excuse it. Her behaviour is still wrong

[@alyssapinon9670]

Exactly. I was annoyed at Thomas Astruc for calling an abuser teenage girl “iredeemable” and throwing out her redemption arc after teasing it. But I still won’t like her as a character if she doesn’t at least try to be better

[@Thesilentvoice...]

I’m a Chloe fan, it’s because I saw that her character could be redeemed but Thomas cut that from happening. However the way she treats people and her attitude is annoying, I wish she got the maddy treatment in s2 of euphoria. She could have been the mean girl who changed for the better but still has her personality you know? I do not like how people defend Chloe for her actions and she should have gotten a change to address all her mistakes and apologise to others she hurt.

[@gabrieleronzino3745]

Always a fan ever since S1 cuz I love villains and anti heroes more than heroes

[@shadovao8704]

Scarlet Witch aka the Whitewashed Witch fits perfectly into this category

[@matchamochi781]

I completely agree with this video. Ever since I was young people would tell me just cry and you’ll get out of it. So it’s not even that white women aren’t aware. From a young age it’s almost instilled in us that the world is out to hurt us and we are always the victim. It’s a very interesting topic to discuss as it often times goes unnoticed. I never really realized myself that it was a privilege. In school I would end up crying over an assignment or something ( mostly because I was a mentally unstable human being who was way to stressed out about grades) and teachers would let me redo it or give me a second chance. I never realized I was playing into a cultural problem. I feel bad about crying now. It wasn’t for malicious purpose but I do cry in any situation that brings me stress, and It might have been continuing on a toxic tradition.

[@nicatina]

Another example of a two white women that always get a pass for everything even though they were toxic are Chloe Price and Victoria Chase from this 2015 video game, Life is Strange. Chloe Price always complain about how life doesn't go her way. She's 19 who act like a 9 year old, always making excuses for her actions and never takes full responsibilities for her actions. She's also at a legal age where she could've moved out and drive away since she hate everything about her home life. When Max called her out about how Chloe can't always blame all the wrong things happening in her life, she said "I gotta blame somebody, otherwise, it's my fault." That made me realize she isn't good enough for Max to be in a romantic relationship with, and I feel like many people in the fandom ignore her terrible behavior and makes excuses for her or let her get away because she's a main sapphic white woman lead in the game, along with Max Caulfield. She treat a gun like a toy, made a sexist comment about how she believes she should be the one to control the gun and it's the men need to be in check, try to steal money from the handicapped fund, uses her best friend Max Caulfield for her time traveling power to fix all of her problems, and does many illegal things to the point where she broke into a school during the night and get cash from drug dealers too. Victoria Chase is also another example. She's describe as a "queen bee" in the game, and a lot of people would also make excuses for HER actions too. People in the fandom say things like "She just want to be love by everyone" or "She doesn't get much love and attention from her family, she tries to get it in Blackwell" always forget that she takes a picture of Max without her consent, posted a viral video link of Kate Marsh all drugged at the Vortex Club Party, and drove her to become suicidal. And even if you made a choice to be NICE to her, she stills talk shit to/about you with her servants Taylor and Courtney and her other friend, Nathan Prescott (which, I'll talk about him for another time if there's ever a video posted about white boys topic), tried to seduce and bribe her teacher to become a winner at a contest and when you tried to warn her about a psychopathic teacher trying to kill her, she ignores your warning and brushes it off until it was all too late for her. In the second game, she get somewhat a redemption arc. But why does a terrible person like her get to be confirmed alive in the Sacrifice Arcadia Bay ending, but not likeable characters like Kate Marsh? It's like the game like to normalize toxic white women.

[@matcha9250]

why did i know this comment was going to be about lis the moment i saw your pfp 💀 im so glad more stans talk about this bc chloe is so horrible. also besides victoria being a demon spawn, rachel literally burnt down a whole forest killing a bunch of animals and placing people in danger bc she was mad about her dad “cheating” on her mom when in reality he was just saying goodbye to her literal biological mom struggling with drug addiction. acting like the world was ending and shit. bruh you’re popular, beautiful, financially loaded, and have stability in your life and you still want to victimize yourself?? i really can’t. almost every single major white woman character gets excused for their shit behavior and all they have to do is cry to be praised and excused for everything they’ve ever done.

[@kendriccoley7053]

@@matcha9250 it isn't because she's white it's because she's a lesbian people will eat that shit up more

[@nicatina]

@@matcha9250 Oh my god, I totally forgot about Rachel Amber 😭 I was fixated on talking about Life is Strange (the first game), I forgot to mention Rachel Amber from the prequel, Before the Storm. Rachel isn't good of a person either, she burned a fucking forest down! I remember that. She could've hurt/killed many animals and innocent people who was possibly in the same wood as her and Chloe. She nearly started a wildfire. And when given a choice, she get Chloe suspended after she takes the blame for her so she can still participate in the play and after all that trouble, Rachel left her for some man that "changed her life" without saying goodbye. I feel like she did used Chloe. Yes I understand that Rachel was groomed at fifteen by older men like Frank, Mark, and people her age like Nathan, who she cheated on Chloe for and we shouldn't ignore that part about her life. It was also sad that she get killed in the end, and even though she wasn't a good person, I still sacrifice chloe so she and chloe and other victims who were tortured in the dark room, get the justice they all deserve and put actual psychopaths like Mark and Nathan behind bars. But Rachel still do other bad things we can't ignore that either. Rachel had a loving big home, a father and a real mother figure who raised her but she still bitch about it?? Just like Chloe, people still ignored that because she's a white sapphic girl and are only focused on fetishizing her.

[@nicatina]

@@kendriccoley7053 or it could be both

[@kendriccoley7053]

@@nicatina eeeeh naw cause no one really cared about her race like at all more of her very toxic relationship and how she treated people, you see the way she treated others and how jealous as hell when Kate needed help that's not a race thing.

[@nikorucupcake2499]

So glad you brought that up about Emilie Agreste. Emilie might be more of an antagonist than Gabriel. The only reason no one in the universe including Adrien don’t antagonize her because they don’t know her true colors. It’s been implied that she was the last peacock holder. Gabriel and Nathalie are on the villain side so they won’t see that as a problem. Adrien doesn’t even know that he’s fighting against his own father. He only knows the one side of his parents. I think a part of the audience forgets about these details because we mainly see Adrien and Gabriel’s perspective on their opinion on Emilie. Both of them love her. However, if we don’t see her through their eyes, she’s not all amazing as she seems

[@nicolegulino]

"Cassie howard stans are not welcome here" me everywhere I go.

[@morganqorishchi8181]

It's interesting how the Miraculous fandom both darkens Lila's skintone in fanart and views her as irredeemable, while also lightening Chloe's skintone in fanart and view her as redeemable. And by interesting I mean extremely telling. And people who make Lila mixed race while keeping her the most evil person in the story: I see you, I hate you, your racism is showing.

[@whoknows9085]

That I will say is probably because the initial art of Lila made her have a darker skin tone, and many people thought she was going to be an actual hero Although at this point it is sus people still try to make her darker than she is, but also lighten Nino and Alya

[@yellowmesh7821]

When lila gets her backstory and trauma explained I'm sure people will be on her side, but unlike Chloe she has gotten nothing of the sort... I love how we minimize the characters appearances and actions, like Chloe showed a lot of resistance to change but there was the struggle to be better, with Lila there's none of it. They aren't playing on even fields because they haven't been fleshed out evenly and that's not on a in-fiction context but rather a choice from the writers to keep Lila a mystery and give Chloe a seeming start to redemption that got nowhere. Because they probably want Lila to be the girl boss villain that Chloe can't be and allow the audience to truly see Lila as just a villain and not repeat the mistake they did with Chloe. It's literally writing tropes

[@Thesilentvoice...]

People attack ciara from moving on with Russel her husband from future to this day, while Kim Kardashian has the same situation with Kanye but moved on to Pete Davidson and no one’s attacking her or bringing up her past. It’s really annoying and sad that people are more strict or tough on black women and even men. When a tall black guy walks into the room many people are afraid of them, but if it’s a white tall guy no one’s looking scary like. People need to stop seeing black peoples as a threat or bad.

[@imjustsaying281]

Great example would be Luther from Detroit: Become Human.

[@Thesilentvoice...]

@@imjustsaying281 I haven’t hear of that show but I will check out the reference

[@imjustsaying281]

Oh, it's actually a game on the PS4.

[@MeMarcusTheCreator]

People really attack Ciara? I’ve just seen people praising her for moving on… 🤭 I feel like a lot of those are Future’s fans. 🤔

[@MeMarcusTheCreator]

Update: this didn't age well...

[@asweetbbygoddess8418]

This is someone who doesn't hate the characters in Euphoria but I at least try to understand them and why they do half the shit they do and a lot of the characters if not all do irrational or participate in unhealthy behaviors. I don't try to judge these characters or at least not too much but I do realize as someone who still has hope that Cassie will learn and grow from this she is afforded a lot of privileges that Maddy wouldn't get in her position. That Rue wouldn't get in her position. That if Rue or Maddy spent most of their time crying and being "pathetic" they would probably get less empathy than Cassie does and she does play a decent role in the hurt she caused Maddy. Cassie is afforded a lot of things so many poc characters simply will not get enough empathy or sympathy and I see this as fandom racism or racial biases and shit. But I still like and root for the characters to get better and in terms of Cassie and Maddy, both are abuse victims who should be taken seriously. I also feel that Maddy wasn't given enough scenes to show more emotional depth with her but the one scene she had confronting Cassie is amazing. I relate to both characters and empathize with them. Cassie fucked up and she's ruining the relationships around her in hopes she will be loved. Still, as much as I empathize with the Euphoria cast I hold them accountable for their bad and harmful choices. I see a lot of what we see for Cassie as an explanation for why she is the way she is and imo not many fans hold the parents accountable for how their kids turned out. Too many people treat trauma and bad shit happening to characters as an excuse when it is supposed to explain why they are the way they are. Maddy deserves the world and so do a lot of the characters but they have to try and better themselves and acknowledge they are wrong. I don't like these characters' actions, especially Cassie's and Jules but I also see gender play a role in this. Nate is allowed to be unlikeable and be a shitty person because we expect it out of him and he's allowed to be shitty and still be considered entertaining. A lot of male characters especially white males are allowed to do and be as unlikeable as they want to be and they can still be entertaining. A female character being unlikeable or presenting a lot of unlikeable traits can make people not want to watch or interact with piece of media.

[@asweetbbygoddess8418]

I want to try to consume media more critically and with an empathetic mind and as a result, I still believe that Cassie can get better and so many of the characters have the potential to do and be better. I was happy Rue did. I just want Cassie, Jules, Kat, Maddy, and Lexi to have happy endings or confront their trauma and issues and try to heal as a lot of these teens do harmful things to themselves and cope with their trauma and issues in healthy ways. I want them to get therapy and get better but I know not everyone will be able to get better. Overall, I like Cassie because she is entertaining, emotional, and because she is flawed. Because she is unlikeable, I like her. I can't really hate her or a lot of the characters unless it's Nate fucking Jacobs who uses everyone around him for his own personal agendas and can afford therapy but chooses not to. He abuses women and is a pos.

[@lucyandecember2843]

o.o

[@synthekid]

all of your premieres are so exciting ^w^

[@scarletsage6267]

Chlorophyll Bourgeois

[@aura9773]

honestly i’m so grateful i found your channel. it’s amazing how much work you put into these videos for one but more importantly it’s truly enlightening because i’ve never realized or noticed many of these things before and now after hearing you explain it i can see them so plainly in front of me… Cassie Howard especially (since i actually saw euphoria and haven’t watched much of miraculous ladybug or descendants). i see so many people giving her endless sympathy and pity even after her absolutely horrid actions and just blaming them on anything and everything else other than her. Yes her problems are real that doesn’t mean they can excuse her actions or make her any less of a terrible person. Like where is the same treatment for others? it’s really scary how i didn’t even notice many of these things before your videos..

[@sanbanapoy]

MAN I fucking hate Maddy but it was so satisfying seeing her go off on Cassie's homie hopping shit 😭 I was even getting mad at Kat for trying to stop her like NO LET MADDY BE ANGRY

[@mastertofu]

I'm extremely sure Emily Graham De Venily is the cause of Gabriel's evil even before Hawkmoth. Emily most likely held the guise of a nice lady and that's what charmed Gabriel to marry her. Gabriel goes insanely far for this woman and there's only so much someone would do for a nice person. To convince him to commit literal terrorism, I'm almost sure Emily had to be manipulative in some way. She's likely the previous user of the Peacock Miraculous and likely to have been the one who broke it seeing as how Gabriel seems to have done so much research on the Miraculous, they aren't gonna use an already broken one. Might Emily be nice? Maybe. But there's no way she's 100% innocent. I had no idea people actually thought she was a very nice person because that seems like such a shallow thought since we have never seen her as a person.

[@veronicachandler1314]

I'm still watching people jump through hoops trying to justify Sha'Carri Richardson's treatment vs. that of Kamila Valieva...

[@chibibeingchibi3197]

now I see how different is white public to latinamerican public. Tho I believe Cassie could have a redemption arc and be a better person, people in latinamerica hate her after that and actually wanted Maddy to hit her harder

[@MustardLadySaveMe]

humans are complicated, they do good things and bad things, and we should be learning about both. we really fail our kids by putting rose colored glasses on them before we teach them about (mostly white) historical figures

[@mikeyhamato2012]

I missed your vids and love your take on Chloe! I think it’s very interesting to see a take on Villain Chloe, because there are so many videos on redeemed Chloe. I think both sides bring up very interesting points!

[@meemaw-lao0wk]

just wanna add on to this, yk how ppl defend emilie saying that she hasnt spoken yet and is probably a good character ? well these same people probably already started bashing kagami when she first appeared in the trailer of her first episode which ig is kinda meh bc she was introduced as another love interest to adrien (which still isnt even an excuse to hate her wtf) but then people started calling her "discount marinette" 😐 just because she looks similar to marinette, as theyre both east asian, but i also find it suspicious because kagami was a lot more asian passing than marinette . this fandom istg

[@ashleycreps9282]

Glad to see you back on KZbin Harriyanna. Good video as always.

[@TheCoolCryptid]

I can't wait!!! This looks like its going to be an extremely well done Video. I love your content!

[@Freshieroleplays]

trauma doesnt excuse chloe's actions

[@mercuriology45]

I said many times, that Cassie gets defended because she is white and pretty, also she is infantilized and if she was a child who can’t do anything wrong. I remember people were attacking me for it, after the last episodes, people don’t even know how to defend her anymore. Even maddy is not relatively the best person, gets condemned by her bad actions, which is not a bad thing, but people don’t defend her as much as Cassie.

[@Jessica.Shawnte]

Maddie also got defended in season 1 this show has nothing to do with race

[@gahye0nie]

great to see you back! we all missed you

[@prettygirl6994]

It’s crazy how Ginny from Ginny and Georgia is very similar to Cassie as far as a character. Although Cassie’s character is written little better, there backgrounds and dynamics between them and their parents are very much alike. However there is a big difference in how each character is treated by the fandoms.

[@evanderzufarsetiawan2511]

Yes when it comes to ginny people can openly talk about how much they hated her, when it's cassie people defended her so easily. Holding character of colour accountable is always so easy but doing the same thing to white character immediately there's tons of excuse why this character doing that. White female character has the privilege to not experincing racism, people being less harsh toward them, allowed to make mistake, being forgiven so easily, doing the bare minimum people can give too much credit to them

[@SkyXDNetwork]

Chloe's big forehead, it says so much about what this video embodies lmao, DRAG EM

[@s.3712]

this bias is so present, thanks for talking about it

[@corentinie]

I 1000% agree! I could not stand how people tried to defend Cassie 🙄 Like there is no defense for that girl 😒 & same for Chloe

[@BellesView]

Glad to have you back!

[@harriyanna]

i feels good to be back!

[@isabellaa8875]

Even after Maddie knew Cassie still was with him and even moved in with him for a moment. She did not care at all, and then it cosplay her literally…

[@thedragon_king]

It's funny because cassie is like the definition of that she cried the whole season saying she was innocent like girl just go home she did so much unruly things and honestly I would have threw hands as soon as she entered that school with my ex I gave her the benefit the first time then she did it again and that's a not it like I said it would be on and I agree with the whole thing

[@jasonhill8506]

So I'm white and also A trans masculine (not full man) So as someone who use to be seen as a woman I can say that I didn't know how I got out of trouble for sometimes. I was little and this other white girl was being a bully and I was tired of her shit so I slammed her arm onto the ground (this took place while sitting on the floor) and afterwards I felt terrible for I what I did so I was crying about it and didn't get punished for my actions. I didn't realize that was part of my privilege.

[@alyssapinon9670]

Thank you for your self awareness! At least in this case you were acting out of retaliation against another white girl instead of starting shit with a WOC then crying like in most cases of yt tears.

[@heartfulcry]

@@alyssapinon9670 bro can we please not praise the YTs for the bare minimum lmao. some white person acknowledging their privilege by saying “oopsies silly me, i didn’t know society will always treat me as superior 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺” isn’t commendable. the bar is in the grave.

[@lisah3460]

I am going to have to disagree. I don't think that has anything to do with white privilege. You literally beat up your bully. This comment is what I call trying to hard to be an ally. What legit proof do you have that you got away with it because you are white. Not because of other factors. Stop it with the white guilt. You were being bullied. Like stop it with crap. Why do we black people want whites to suck up to us. This is ridiculous. Go to sleep.

[@jasonhill8506]

@@lisah3460 In America we are punish for standing up against our bullies in a phiscal way. Doesn't matter if your in the right or worng your punish for it. So what I was trying to say is that poc who got into fights. I've seen that and they get punished for it. My comment was made for the fact if I felt guilty for what I did by the rules of school I should be punished for what I did but I didn't. That's my point. It was wierd that I didn't. Also I'm trans man so I have been see as the flower that should be care for even though by school rules I should have been punished for it. I could have broken a bone but oh white women so nothing happened. I did it now I would be charged with assault I would still have white privilege but not cis privilege. Cops are not cool with trans people.

[@mooniev1420]

There was a book series I read called “House of Night” (I was 10 years old and am now very aware of how negative that series is) and there were two bulls . One was dark and good and the other was white and evil. A lot of the characters would get the bulls switched up thinking that the white one was good and the black one was bad and this video made me think about that in a new light.

[@a.sahmed2639]

You’ve just unlocked my pre-teen memories by mentioning the House of Night 😂

[@rays.1899]

So glad you're back!

[@anitanielsen1061]

Too many people conflate “explanation” with “excuse”

[@littlemisstfc]

Hey, ma! A new Harriyana video dropped today! Awesome job as usual, captain. 🙏🏽

[@lilsneepsnorp4951]

I agree so much I’m a white person and I notice this every day. I’ve benefited from it and i know that. but like I honestly can’t handle any more apologists for characters who are bad people.

[@ThatGreenMach1ne]

Chloe looks like she was doing the "no bitches" meme

[@mgueye2mgueye261]

So chloe character development was starting because she did good in one episode 😭✋ I love chloe but if that was alya she would get attacked look at those white girls who was attacked alya for helping marinette her best friend is like they don't want a black girl to get more attention but if that was chloe they would be so happy or cat noir and people like marinette and chloe to be friends more than her and alya like it not always gonna be Hispanic and white we need black as nd other race

[@katiebby1211]

I can’t wait, it’s almost time! I’m glad that you’re talking about this.

[@GalaxyfullofStars]

"Chloe" Why is everyone with my name in media portrayed as a blonde brat- i'm actually kinda upset by this.

[@CJ-ru7uf]

OMG you’re so close to 100k congrats 💕

[@strawberrypersephone]

this video is amazing! fictional white women do get off easier than everybody else and it’s so annoying. all of the apologies for cassie and chloe specifically are really upsetting to me because i’ve dealt with cassies and chloes irl. i get that they had difficult childhoods and i have sympathy for that but a hard past isn’t an excuse to treat other people terribly.

[@heyitsnovaa]

You better speak on it. Welcome back Harri

[@purplezombie4940]

Funny how Nate is never brought up when Cassie is being talked about. Hmm wonder why.

[@rachelmartin5102]

Yes, especially in middle school I had to small myself to make people happy. Love the video ♥️

[@sophitiaofhyrule]

I never thought much about Émilie Agreste, but your evidence is pretty convincing!

[@nox9749]

*I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS* Edit: okay so i was LITERALLY thinking about how Cassie -even with not watching the show- gives me "white woman tears" and then this video pops up-

[@emptyteacup8228]

Awesome vid captain! What also pisses me off about Euphoria is that they glossed over Nate being abusive??? Like not only did Cassie had the nerve to willingly go with Nate, but wouldn't she have known that Nate fucking strangled and abused her best friend??? Like thinking that bothered the shit out of me and made me hate Cassie even more.

[@m.a.y.h2298]

I had no Idea about this white woman tears... I knew that everyone can be bad sometimes and do bad things I didn't care what race they where I knew they all do bad things. but white woman tears... that's awkward... I had no idea this existed... like I can see anyone be a crybaby or play victim but... What... 😟 And thanks now I learned that everywhere in history books say good things about awful people. now I'm sure that my country's history books aren't ... isn't?... the only ones with this features (Sorry if you don't get the meaning I'm not excellent in English ToT)

[@alexkawaii47]

I also had no idea about these "tears of white women" I had seen many characters act this way and not all were white... If the character is to be the "villain" he will pretend to be the victim, regardless of color (I don't speak English very well either, so sorry if you didn't understand)

[@masterofdreemzzz4872]

Love the intro very nostalgic😭

[@SxnsetRosy]

In elementary MOST things we learned about in history were about black skinned people and refugees. We rarely even mentioned white icons in history. It’s really ironic how at the time the school was located in the U.S. but we didn’t learn much history about the country except for the civil war. Instead we focused on different continents of the world and Asylum Seekers EXCEPT FOR AMERICA, for three whole units. (Three Units is around 4 months) We we’re taught that we should let anyone that comes asking for help should be let in. What they don’t tell you is that innocent people who worked hard to get where they are are forced to vacate their homes in order to “take care of others”. You HAVE to take care of yourself before you take care of others otherwise you’ll end up with nothing. I honestly had no idea what that school was teaching us, I’m glad I only stayed there for one and a quarter of a year.

[@StrawberryCocoaPowder]

I remember when I used to watch Miraculous Ladybug, it's sad to see the way it went downhill haha. Like they gave Chloe a redemption arc just to make her evil and bad later? Yeah, making a 14 year old girl (note: a bully tho) who is neglected by her mother at home an evil and irredeemable person. Saying that LITERAL KIDS IN HIGH SCHOOL can't change from bad behavior. Wow, definitely a good message towards children amirite?