Fat Mike: Why GOOD CHARLOTTE is in the Punk Rock Museum (NOFX)

[@prmbapodcast]

Full interview: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJuUoZuigJ2ha7M

[@Palestinian_holocaust]

Satanic false Jews are racist towards Palestinians and have an extreme hatred towards Christianity. Reference the Talmud

[@marks8761]

I used to be an elitist with punk. I would get soooo mad when people would call Blink, Greenday and others punk. Then i matured and realized they are all punk. Just a different part of punk

[@hangloosetjt]

Pop punk for sure!

[@m00k61]

Listen to those old Offspring albums. They rip.

[@WoockerSocket2]

Well I guess this is growing up

[@SpicyPunkRockerOfficial]

Blink is dope

[@bunkhouse1996]

Rock Show is still my favorite love song.

[@aurteekay6339]

I think afi is another one of those bands who people nowadays might not consider punk but they very much are they just happened to cross over in a major way at one point

[@jeremyjenners5150]

AFI is fire even now the line fly the blag flag over the west coast from escape from LA is very much punk you can hear it in daveys delivery

[@FarewellFix]

100 percent. AFI doesn't get the credit they deserve when they were pure punk rock. I used to take drumming g lessons from their drummer, and watching him play was magic. I like Fat Mike's approach towards the museum.

[@Feenucks]

I’ve long been of the mindset that *every* AFI record is good once you stop giving a fuck about the “punk” label. I might “like” some of their records more than others, but I LOVE them all.

[@ryanzeigler9763]

I'd put AFi in 100 times before i stop wincing at GS but it's not my museum

[@theageingpunker4547]

AFI used to be punk as fuck

[@differencetom]

Being a 90’s punk kid, there isn’t a more exclusionary genre than punk. Still love it, but let’s not pretend it’s some all inclusive love fest.

[@danielsolano330]

Totally agree. Punk Rock just like Metal is as gatekeeping as it gets.

[@mikephillips1043]

​@@danielsolano330metal is WAAAAAAY worse but yeah if you are anything but pure punk they shit on you especially if you start punk and go punk rock like say blink and the offspring. Ska fans will get pretty gate keepy as well.

[@avalanchecannon7911]

How were you excluded? Let me guess, somebody hurt your feelings? If you were excluded then someone was a dick. That dick doesn't represent punk rock. That dick is just in the company of an asshole and balls.

[@sandollor]

I'm a '90s punk kids too and I'm definitely not in the scene anymore, but I've brought my kids to plenty of shows, and it's changed a lot. Metal has gotten even more exclusionary over time, but some of the edges of the punk scene have softened while other parts have sharpened or hardened. Just wanted to share my experience from the Seattle area scene.

[@MsFreshadenu]

Correct

[@artaxAF]

That means a lot coming from Mr. "it's my job to keep punk rock elite" himself.

[@TingTingalingy]

I was thinking the same thing 😂

[@vangoghskye]

Elitists are everywhere.

[@m00k61]

I always thought that song was satirical lol.

[@m00k61]

Always thought it paired nicely with Kill Rock Stars.

[@TingTingalingy]

@@m00k61 be goes out of his way to be a nasty POS to people because that's punk rock. He's awful

[@m00k61]

Pop punk, melodic hardcore punk, and skate punk are not all synonymous. And they all have their merits.

[@brandonlatus2218]

Pop punk is garbage fake punk

[@Whitehorse_crimefighter]

Skate punk is just pop punk with uglier dudes and hardcore is more athletic

[@m00k61]

@Swampcrypt I respect your opinions but disagree.

[@SlasherInSuits]

Yeah gatekeeping should stop. Like because bands got popular they shouldn’t be added.

[@Sloppy_Archiver]

And like how a murderer gets on the list but some perceived racist band doesn't. Your right gatekeeping should stop especially from self proclaimed historians.

[@Kilo-o4b]

Nah gate keeping is a good thing. If you don’t see it that way it’s because you’ve never actually been GOOD at something.

[@itschavez115]

I hate when people always said blink-182, green day, Whatever pop punk band, "tHeY ArrrEe nOt PuNK" man, punk has A LOT of subgenres, hardcore punk, skate punk, post hardcore, post punk, melodic hardcore, POP PUNK. Glad Mike put GC in the museum.

[@MrEek11]

i remember them saying that about rancid and bad religion back in the day. hell, in the late 80s a lot of elitests said the ramones werent true punk.

[@itschavez115]

@@MrEek11 what! Ramones are like the Beatles of punk, idk if they invented punk as a hole genre but they are up there. Cheers man!

[@SpicyPunkRockerOfficial]

They Came to conquer … URANUS 😎🎸🔥

[@itschavez115]

@@SpicyPunkRockerOfficial love Scott era! Dude Ranch, They Come To Conquer are good stuff.

[@SpicyPunkRockerOfficial]

@@itschavez115 my favorite too! Cheshire Cat and Dude Ranch are legendary albums!

[@MySkilletfan]

I dont care what you call Geenday or Good Charlotte. American idiot was my first album and Good Morning Revival was a very early one. Very influential in my music taste today

[@WessStewart]

Have you heard any of the pre-Dookie Green Day stuff?

[@ebenizerbonotan4302]

Fat Mike said A Green day do not Consider as a Punk Band. Dammit he did put Green day on the Museum,iThink. 🤔😞

[@the_real_MarcGyver]

Damn your childhood sucked

[@MySkilletfan]

@@boofert.washington2499 I think you missed the whole point

[@markjohnston9321]

It was weird the differences in the crowd at the Misfits show seeing them at almost 50. The closer to the stage, the more upper upper class you got, and the farther into the bleachers you got, the more punker we got. But when Teenager's from Mars, or Green Hell, or Bullet came on, even the folk up front dressed a little more well to do were singing word for word with Glen and rocking with Jerry and Doyle. Changed my mind about a couple of things that night.

[@fettuccinealraver]

“These critics and these trust fund kids / Try to tell me what punk is / But when I see them on the street they got nothing to say.” - Young and Hopeless. Good Charlotte walked the walk.

[@greenmatrix30seven]

This

[@ShitTalkerExtraordinaire]

Fat mike grew up in Beverly Hills. And had nothing to say. He started his “label” with daddies money. So by GC standards fat mike is not punk thanks.

[@jeremyelkins8524]

Ik people aren’t gonna like hearing this but I think gg allin needs to be in there

[@stillXpist]

GG should have his own museum, he’s more punk than punk

[@kriscarrillo6434]

Too punk for punk😅

[@kriscarrillo6434]

Definitely should be in it , especially since they tossed in Good Charlotte ..!?

[@PW-le6cr]

No, you are right

[@jeremywagner1711]

I’m here for Fat Mike’s wholesome phase 😂

[@ShitTalkerExtraordinaire]

It’s stupid he’s worried about investors because all he cares about is money.

[@carpeimodiem]

The only thing you need in a punk rock museum is a shitty couch that smells like beer. And Fred Armisen to manage it. Maybe some feedback on a broken PA. The rest is implied by said shitty couch.

[@Footerismyname]

One of my favorite photos I have is myself with Fat Mike and Joel from Good Charlotte at 2002s Warped Tour. Punk AF

[@ASM881]

Posers.

[@markl5998]

That's kickass. You should post that the internet would have a field day

[@mamaluigi74]

MCR and Thursday should be in the museum tbh

[@SlashManEXE]

Pretty sure they have sections on the modern punk level (at least I remember some Thursday memorabilia)

[@dima1341]

I actually found a lot of iconic bands from GC stickers on the guitars and T-shirt like Nofx , Mest , Rancid and others more .

[@RatelHBadger]

Punk is an attitude not whether or not you have major label contract. Do it yourself, make it yourself, tour on your own skin, write about what is "real" to you, over cliches or what will "sell".

[@femlin1994]

Good Charlotte would’ve been in the museum regardless, but I’m pretty sure the Madden Bros are investors too.

[@pantsnjacket381]

Exactly.

[@ErinRomero-vp8oy]

I would have never found Nofx without good charlotte. I was like 12, and no one I knew listened to punk. I was in love with Benji, and I would look up the bands on his shirts.

[@ProfessorDubs]

Everyone in Parkway Drive was doing Punk Rock before they formed the band. They should probably be included as well.

[@jimbrewer5048]

Warped tour in somerset Wisconsin 2002-ish… it got rained out. We all waited for nofx so they came out to play an acoustic set. Good Charlotte came out and tried to play along and I just remember fat mikes face, just a grimace and a complete dead look of “what the fuck happened??”. lol wish we had camera phones then but many of us didn’t. I didn’t get a cell until 2003

[@pumpkin3731]

I have always loved the song First Call🎉 Rock on Mike! We love you.❤

[@fireonmytarget8937]

"Now especially" about Foo Fighters. Ouch RIP Taylor lol.

[@1thess523]

"it's all inclusive, unless you are a....", that doesn't sound like all inclusive 😂😂😂

[@jeremy9325]

Let's move on i'm about to get incredibly hypocritical

[@ChainsGoldMask]

Their first 3 albums are fucking excellent

[@TheSpecsShow]

Yeah, just wish they had released 'Cardiology' straight after 'Chronicles', rather than the 'Revival'

[@patrickbertlein4626]

GC were the popular trendy kids in high school, they weren't punks it was just a Hot Topic image.

[@humanothumqn659]

"That kid wearing the green day shirt could kick the kid wearing the blink 182 shirts ass" Fat Mike at a concert at some point in history

[@mobilesuitjesse]

Actually He said "that kid wearing the nirvana shirt would kick the kid wearing the blink shirt"

[@tylersims6937]

I'm pretty much impressed on how your comment is somehow almost a page from a comic book. I've never seen(saw?) that done before.

[@jreschke5]

Finn this is a great interview. You’re the man!

[@owlampersand7993]

I love Good Charlotte ❤

[@Kuroitakai]

The point I always bring up when people start to gatekeep punk rock is this: Before the music industry and radio stations wanted to make it more commercially viable and distance themselves from the "punk stigma" by relabeling some of it as "New Wave", bands like Blondie and The Talking Heads were considered punk bands. Punk rock in its infancy didn't have a specific "sound" or a "look", and was much more diverse and inclusive than it became after that initial first wave of bands. Yes, there were bands like The Clash, The Ramones, The Sex Pistols, The Dead Boys, etc., but they weren't solely what punk rock was, and when people try to say "x" band isn't punk rock based on some arbitrary criteria that wasn't even present when punk rock was arguably at its commercial peak, I point them back to the history of punk rock itself.

[@PsychMedia1990]

Green Day started punk but ended up being way more influenced by bands like "The Who"

[@bigounce562]

That's a good point. They did go full rock opera.

[@lewisb85]

I agree with him on skrewdriver, thing is the most public former member is mark radcliffe is a British national treasure quit the band due to their politics later went to work for factory records and radio one. I applaud the guy because he actually became one of the most ardent anti nazi's in the uk punk scene worked with bands like chumbawumba(worked with), Magazine (worked with), cardiacs (worked with) and white town(championed them on his radio show) etc. apparently it was really heavy for him because the boneheads used to send him death threats for years etc.

[@MarkArandjus]

Yeah I'm not the biggest 'mainstream pop punk band' fan, but like it or not that is a part of the tapestry of the history of punk rock. As a great man once said: It belongs in a museum!

[@Beavisofficial]

it was a good new sound of punk before it got too oversaturated, people forget punk started as a melodic semi poppy genre anyway with ramones etc but somehow pop punk isnt real punk

[@markl5998]

For claiming to be individual and thinking for themselves. Punk has the most rules of any scene I've encountered

[@DukeBluedevil70]

Hahahaha. Facts. Glad someone else in the comments gets it. Punk has always been completely disingenuous and fake. Completely aligned with power at every opportunity. Fake rebellion at its finest. Raging on behalf of the machine rather than against it.

[@kd2453]

When did punk rock become so safe?

[@wanderandargo]

He drinks Spindrift - I like those too! The lemon flavor is kickass

[@MrNiceguyofficial]

So Good Charlotte is in. How about Busted? That band that didnt bother to have a drummer

[@lewisb85]

Had a live drummer.

[@BriansFunHouse]

Cant wait to see it. Wish it was somewhere besides Vegas, but it is what it is. The actual rock and roll hall of fame (had or has) a Naked Raygun flyer in it, so thats punk.... but anyway, it looks cool enough to check out

[@SkiddMark777]

LMAO Fat Mike can't explain himself so "let's move on"

[@arm5080]

“You can’t cancel bands” the best statement I heard today kudos to you new adventures Fat Mike

[@bobloblaw7030]

Right wingers are trying their best to cancel everything under the sun, wouldn't surprise me if they try to cancel punk all together because it is "non-conformist" which is what they hate the most....

[@juliancornejo1402]

He meant retroactively, its in the context of his statement. If people do fked up stuff now you can stop support and shun but if you get into an old band you cant hold them to today’s standards

[@zippymufo9765]

@@juliancornejo1402 In the future "cancelled bands" will be considered the real punk rock that was too dangerous to be included in a mainstream museum like Fat is pimping..

[@Sperminski]

Yet he does cancel bands himself. A hypocrite.

[@84kjk]

Uhhh, did you not hear him? He does cancel bands he doesn’t agree with. The part how it was a “private company” and he can do what he wants. Totally ignoring a large part of the punk culture in 80’s + and acting like it didn’t exist. Doesn’t sound like something a “museum” should do.

[@so_dums]

"You can't cancel bands" ...so here's how we cancelled bands...lol

[@thereverseeffect7269]

He's saying you cannot cancel them for things in the past using todays standards for things that were more acceptable at the time. Not that you can never cancel bands for any reason ever.

[@stevenbost3717]

It’s hard to imagine anything less punk rock than a punk rock museum.

[@kone.linngus3651]

I saw Fang 26 years back at the Gilmans, wild show.

[@IamY00t]

I absolutely loved The Chesire & Dude albums by Blink in the mid/late 90s but couldn't really say it because they blew up and wasn't considered Punk. Today I don't give a shit, I'll play the shit out of those two albums. It's fast, fun and catchy af.

[@darklorddysart]

Good Charlotte was my true introduction to forming my own tastes of music. Before that it was whatever pop was drilled into me by the radio. Then one fateful day the music vid for Lifestyles of the rich and the famous came on and I was in awe. Mainly it was Benjis hair that got me 😂 but from then on I would start to find my own tastes and influences in music

[@Shushus-cz9lk]

Crazy, that what it was for me. That or blink 182 enema of the state

[@yoyopopboy]

Love you Fatius Mikesonsmith. Keep doin whatcha doin.

[@almostfree9255]

I fucking love that LeeWay shirt. Underated crossover thrash metal ❤

[@jellyboy123]

i agree about punk rock scene is inclusive . in the 1980’s i was jumped in an anthrax concert because i had short hair, you would never in a million years see that happening in a punk rock gig every punk rock gig i ever been to people are welcoming wish i could say the same thing about rock..

[@Capnsensible80]

Hmmmm, you should probably watch The Decline of Western Civilization. The early LA punk scene was just as bad or worse. They had an entire crew dedicated to beating up "posers" and specifically targeted dudes with long hair, they did the exact same shit. Violence and rape were VERY common back then in the scene. Look up the Suicidal Cycos gang. Maybe where you're from it was different or you came along after things got toned down, but in all the big scenes like LA and NY it was definitely NOT all lovey-dovey and acceptance. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the fact you've had nothing but positive experiences, but your comment is coming from a very...uninformed point of view when you consider the scene on a larger scale than your own personal experience.

[@MrKyly]

It's just that lifestyles of the rich and famous is an awesome song and they did that times hundred after it.

[@stevenfunderburg1623]

It's interesting to me to see exactly how determined old school punks will be to not let modern woke cancel culture dictate their social, mental and cultural reality. I believe the song " Guilty Of Being White" may well be that battleground.

[@Anonymousdethroned]

too late. punk is woke now. shit sucks

[@lonewolf8518]

Fukn awesome Mike mentioned Sammy.. he's a good ass dude man.. who hasn't fukd up in some way right.. " not punk rock police " 👏🏾👏🏾

[@mclovinu69]

The Fat Mike Punk Museum featuring only bands that Fat Mike likes, but all inclusive!

[@jbess6505]

Fat Mike interview! Hell yeah!

[@christusapollosevier4852]

one day i will see it all for myself, hopefully... is DEVO in the punk museum anywhere?

[@design1of470]

2:25 what does "now, especially" mean? do the Foos have a punk rock drummer?

[@bobbygilberto9678]

Yeah. Taylor died and it's josh freeze from the vandals

[@design1of470]

@@bobbygilberto9678 yeah this was before they announced it was Josh taking Taylor's place, but Fat Mike clearly knew

[@jarrodfranco]

I used to be a gatekeeper of music, and then I realized good music is good music. Nowadays, people are considering bad religion and NOFX "pop punk." People called The Clash punk...in my opinion they were WAY more than punk( if even punk at all aside from their views and "style." From what I've gathered punk, it's a modified version of what Spicoli said "Well Stu I'll tell you, being "punk" is not a sport, it's a way of life, it's no hobby. It's a way of looking at life and saying, "Hey bud, let's party!"

[@DestinationUnknownBandSinger]

I don’t wanna sound like a dick but whoever listened to the whole hour of this interview, more power to ya. I almost had a heart attack listening to mike stutter and have a hard time talking the whole time. Did something happen to him or was it the signal of the interview? It’s giving me anxiety trying to watch/listen to this.

[@xcarlupanddiex]

He’s been like that for a few years now. Just go read/listen his interview about how he wrote the last Blink-182 song that was then not chosen as a single because they found out he wrote it.

[@DestinationUnknownBandSinger]

@@xcarlupanddiex ohhhhhh. Yeah I’m not making fun of him and I really wanted to watch the hour long episode but I just couldn’t get past it. Unfortunately.

[@James_Barris]

Cocaine is a helluva drug

[@MrEek11]

cocaine and alchohol abuse catches up to everyone when they hit 50

[@ThatDereKid]

Mike pushed his “I do whatever I want” lifestyle too far and now NOFX is breaking up because he can’t stay sober. Started off as the sober one and then became more of a junkie than any of them. I pray for him.

[@AIRBORNERADIOACTUAL]

You need to have the goo goo dolls in the museum. People do not believe me that they are actually a punk band

[@ryanzeigler9763]

I guess Incubus?

[@johnmacdonald3649]

I saw the goo goo Dolls open for DRI and Gang Green in 1988. They were an amazing punk band before they crossed over.

[@brentleycraft]

Gross 😅

[@chadyoung7495]

They really are a good punk band. I stumbled across that as well. Downloaded an old album and was blown away.

[@darbs3168]

Did he put screeching weasel in?

[@SpicyPunkRockerOfficial]

He better have lol

[@everythingacoustic6736]

Finn and mike. legendary.

[@That1Oneguy760]

He sure has matured and so have the rest of us punks.

[@LA-84-FM]

Good Charlotte got me and probably a ton of other people into rock music. They deserve it

[@OogwayGotRizz]

The mental gymnastics I just witnessed was quite impressive.

[@PalmelaHanderson]

I LOVED the song First Call at a certain time in my life that i can't really speak all that much about, other than I was doing a lot of cocaine and spending weekday mornings at the bar with crusty bastards watching the price is right. One could argue that that was both the lowest or highest time of my life depending on how much you weigh nihilistic hedonism. I haven't done drugs in years and would absolutely not do that now, but there's a part of me that's glad i did it. You only appreciate the boring life of a square if you've lived the alternative.

[@MikeP2055]

Hear, hear! I know that dance a little too well myself. Thank god we lived through it and appreciate the boring life nowadays.

[@PalmelaHanderson]

@@MikeP2055 hell yeah brother. I'll never forget the times of coming down from the cocaine high while chilling with ol' Gus and the boys at 9am at the dive bar watching Drew Carey. We had a grand old time. It's just like, if I kept doing that, I would probably be long dead by now. But I still cherish those memories.

[@cogitoergosum6862]

Killing someone is forgivable, but don't you dare say bad words.....

[@84kjk]

Yea for real. What a hypocrite. He’s totally fine with fang and doesn’t want to “cancel bands” but then he said he does exactly that if someone he considered homophobic/racist. I could see why he wanted to change the subject at the end, he knows how dumb he sounds. That’s like excluding hitler from a museum bc he was racist. Should geo Washington not be in a museum? Martin Luther king and Malcolm x didn’t love the gays.

[@chrisfurius]

If this was the 'punk' that I discovered as a teen in the mid 80's I would've avoided it like the plague.

[@slados1]

"let's move on"...

[@chrisfurius]

@@slados1 Is that supposed to mean something?

[@slados1]

@@chrisfurius if you watch the video, I think you'll be able to piece it together

[@chrisfurius]

@@slados1 No thanks. I scrolled through briefly and saw all I could take. It'll just have to remain a mystery.

[@socalastarte6727]

Lifestyles of the rich and the famous- in Back with a bang-out

[@namebrandrobots1248]

I saw fat mike at home Depot. Because he is a toolbox

[@brianburt7868]

These band would never come close so what I think true Punk is which is d r i Minor Threat SSD control MDc Black Flag llll and so on...blink greenday Good Charlotte are more of a glam mainstream which takes the whole point of punk out for me

[@VoiceoftheRight0341]

"You can't cancel bands..." "We're not allowing Skrewdriver in." It sounds like you can cancel bands! So Fear, with their homophobic songs (I'm not familiar with the band), that was acceptable because of the times, but not Skrewdriver? Or Sex Pistols (along with many like Motorhead(Lemme was friends with ISD btw)) they can wear swastikas because they're just "being annoying." Right. The hypocrisy is deep. Good call on that Good Charlotte induction, the most mainstream/attention seeking band outside of Avril Livegne in the early to mid 2000s. But, she's probably on the wall next to them.

[@ALiberalVeteran]

I wonder if they have Sublime and Street light manny in the museum.

[@Capnsensible80]

I wouldn't frame it so much as "You can't cancel bands for what their views were when it was somewhat acceptable" so much as "If they aren't truly hateful and grew past it" kind of deal. Remember, in their early years a lot of these bands were 14, 15. 16 year old dudes and gals. Idk about you all, but I said and did some pretty shitty things at that age that I've regretted for a very long time.

[@Naaaanii]

Im with mike here. He builds a museum of what, as one of the most experts in the punk scene, he considers to be worthy of showcasing. Not only with a musical criteria, but with having in mind what punk, as a left-winged ideology is. Those are two separated things. So following the ideology criteria, maybe Bob Marley is more punk than Screwdrivers. So Im with Mike, again, he puts in the museum whatever he thinks to be deserving it. I would include green Day for sure though.

[@FrancisZigglenuts]

Green day said themselves they didnt want to be included, not sure why though!

[@dracohasfun]

I believe the term he's looking for is "exceptionalism" he likes a band, and wants to include them for personal enjoyment reasons, not always historical ones. The issue in that is it prevents context when explaining content vs. imagery. Or ideals vs. shock value. People throw around the term "separate the artist from the art" so casually, and never really circle back to it, seemingly to avoid self examination.

[@wbaldwin666]

I was thinking about FEAR as he said it. I think they own up to the older stuff and seemed to be pissed at one of the skinheads having a FEAR tattoo in American History X

[@KidUK23]

Simple plan needs to be in there

[@JeffreySmith84]

A band like Nomeansno is undeniably punk and every doctrinaire hardcore punk I knew when I was a kid *hated* them. I could list so many other examples and I'm sure you could too.

[@isetmfriendsofire]

One if the best early PHC bands

[@willloveless9327]

"anyway...lets move on..." Fat mike. The only intelligent thing said in this whole video

[@l1fef0rm]

Are Atari Teenage Riot in there? They probably won't be very receptive to the invitation, but you should consider them Fat Mike.

[@lachiebradshaw6617]

Funny how punk rock is anti-establishment and all about anarchy, but some ‘punks’ want to enforce these sets of rules on other people.

[@xx7secondsxx]

Elite PUNKERS! (Me in Highskool) would be "They're not punk!!! How could they be in there! Cause they bought and used hairspray for their spikes also!?" Now... sensible me is "HELLSCHYEAS they go in there!! People were coming up to MOHAWK me with PUNK dripping and spewing from all points and asked me about punk and bands... I started talking all the bands and stuff and they're "yea we like Good Charlotte" I didnt have cable so I had no clue whom they were. Saw Benji and was "they must like Casualties and Exploited" When I finally heard them I was UUGGGGGHHHHH THEY CAME UP TO ME ABOUT PUNK!?!? And now the sensible person is YES THEY DID!!! AND YOU KNO WHAT!!??? if it wasnt for the Madden Bros!!! They would've never said "you like punk?" And been curious or cared! GC does belong in there. They hit a peak that few do!!🤘🎸🤘🎸🤘🍻🍻 I'm not a fan! Im just curtis g the grass so the SNAKE-like gate keepers and actually have food for thought

[@jaylara2937]

I blew my fucking knee out in San Diego during the codefendants! Thanks fast Mike. I'm out 9 months now!

[@forevr2wheels]

I hope the beastie boys are included even though they are everywhere but they were punk

[@rexdink]

The stuff I was listening to at 15, was not Punk Rock enough.

[@skbmusic-n8f]

How is racism and homophobia worse than literally murdering someone over heroin

[@gnarlynomad7792]

It’s not.

[@skbmusic-n8f]

@@gnarlynomad7792 Fat Mike seems to think it is

[@AmiliaCaraMia]

Literally astounding

[@jimmysmith8663]

Well does the guy glorify murder in his music I would think that would be the difference.. screwdriver straight up has songs called white power.

[@skbmusic-n8f]

@@jimmysmith8663 Okay he still murdered his girlfriend and took her life. That's way worse than just saying something racist. He literally took an innocent's person's life over drugs, a life that can't be brought back over something so petty. If you somehow think its better to murder someone than to be racist you have a serious problem.

[@jasonmurdoc9533]

I wish fat Mike was this open when I was a kid. Would have saved me a lot of shit

[@TheNewWhiteDope]

Simple plan and sum 41 are where I draw the line lol.

[@timmackenzie8145]

Right, because Fat Mike’s gonna tell me what punk rock is 😂

[@MACHINArebirth]

Man I found about so many good bands from Good Charlotte lyrics or the stickers they had on their guitars. Those first 2 albums are timeless

[@wcm5636]

To test this fully I wonder if Mike put GG Allins jock strap in there?

[@RM-hk5ds]

I’m a conservative Christian person and I think Mike is cool as guy. The way he speaks, the way he represents his band and punk music is truly punk. Big respect.

[@zippymufo9765]

Fat Mike isn't stupid. He knows putting those lame mainstream bands in (Avenged Sevenfold?) is what's going to drive traffic. It has nothing to do with "punk", it's selling those $20 tickets. In the future those bands he's cancelling will be considered the "real punk rock".

[@Joe-kt7zp]

May as well put avril lavigne in there, too...

[@RevStickleback]

Punk gatekeeping seems to be much more of a thing in the USA, where many seem to have the attitude that hardcore is somehow the only real punk. To me Crass are punk, The Toy Dolls are punk, The Damned are punk, Rumkicks are punk, Blink-182 are punk, Black Flag and The Untertones are punk, and yes, Green Day are punk. They certainly don't all sound the same, and many punks might hate some of them, but it doesn't stop them being punk. Punk is about what they have in common musically, not what's different.

[@brandonlatus2218]

Nothing punk about green day or blink 182

[@RevStickleback]

@@brandonlatus2218 Even if you call them pop-punk, it's still a punk sub genre, therefore part of punk. "Are they punk?" has to be answered objectively. If proto-punk, the stuff that punk came from, is punk, then pop-punk, a genre that came out of punk, has to be too. How much a punk museum should devote to a sub-genre is a different matter.

[@brandonlatus2218]

@@RevStickleback it’s not punk

[@RevStickleback]

@@brandonlatus2218 Now...I'd agree. In the past though? They certainly played punk. It's like saying The Damned aren't punk because their sound changed over the years.

[@brandonlatus2218]

@@RevStickleback there not punk never were

[@NoName-uq7ph]

Used to be a big punk/NOFX fan, still am to a degree but Mike is such a hypocrite....i remember buying heavy petting Zoo and in the notes he banged on about mtv etc to quit bugging them and that they dont do mainstream yet years later they had their own TV show, music videos on MTV and a book....not to mention that in that book he says how he was a poser and would wear punk band t shirts despite never hearing the bands....he also said in the book after hearing suffer by bad religion he wanted NOFX to imitate their sound....how punk.... Liberal animation is a good punk album but most that follwed wasn't....they certainly changed their sound to be radio friendly after Ribbed...

[@childrenoftheabzu]

I dont see it that way. At the time he diddnt want to be on MTV and radio and was happy with their level of success without it. Decades later he wanted to do a show for whatever reason. Point is, different time, different person and different circumstances. Things in punk are not what they were in 94. As for the other stuff, I really have nothing to say. It is clear that he is a true fan of music. That is beyond question. I sure dont miss the days of being quized about what bands shirt you were wearing. "oh you like what ever band. Name every 4th song on every album in alphabetical order. Oh you cant. Poser". But I dont like mainsteam pop culture exploiting and commodification of sub cultures. Has happened to everything I have been heavily into at one time or another. I also dont like fashion punks. Sorry ranting now

[@dirtnap9641]

Punk adjacent is the term I use for it

[@RiseAboveEric]

Where do you draw the line???? Not murder... but racism? lol

[@NicholasCarroll-r4f]

pretty much

[@gadgettv2023]

Good Charlotte was actually really great.

[@_WESTSIDE_]

First album is classic