Favorite Moment: Under the Red Hood

[@mr.voidking6162]

The saddest part is the fact that Jason doesn’t even hate Batman, he just wants to know why he didn’t kill the man who “ killed “ him.

[@Zoorsos]

Why "killed"? He did actually kill Jason

[@mr.voidking6162]

filthy nigga true, but then we was brought back to life

[@Zoorsos]

@@mr.voidking6162 but that doesn't matter he still killed him

[@Zoorsos]

@@mr.voidking6162 but why? He died anyway so he was killed regardless of been brought back to life or not

[@rami9274]

@@mr.voidking6162 that's not an opinion though. If you get shot and your wound heals, you still got shot. Just like if your google it, or asked one of the writers, there are no quotation marks, Jason todd was killed. He was just also resurrected.

[@Usca1990Asis]

“I’m doing it because...he took me away from you...” I felt that.

[@nicholasemiranda3057]

I found this comment right when it was said

[@BerbinKing]

Batman's a horrible father

[@narutoyamiryu404]

i have the same thing,

[@BerbinKing]

@@BruceWayne-ne1ez I mean he is tho, who the fuck takes a kid out to fight crime?🙄 Another angry Batman fanboy

[@madeulook5872]

From that sentence you can see how much he looked up to Bruce.

[@tusherabtahee9839]

This must've been the most hilarious shit for the joker. He murders Jason, causing Batman untold pain and whatnot, and he thinks that was the end of it. But fast forward a few years, the kid comes back from the dead, causes mass mayhem, and puts Batman in a moral dilemma that the Joker could only have wet dreams of. To us, it would be like checking the couch cushions for change only to find a hundred dollar bill.

[@crimsin655]

never thought about that... lol

[@LordCommander-ui2fw]

Yeah, you can clearly tell that broken bones, ruptured organs and internal bleeding aside, he’s having the time of his life.

[@giovannidanesin4193]

LordCommander 3575 from when Joker cares about his physical condition?

[@LordCommander-ui2fw]

@@giovannidanesin4193 The concern tends to vary due to a number of different factors. He swings between desperately clinging to life and suicidal maneuvers like a pendulum.

[@gilgamos_5658]

@@LordCommander-ui2fw bruh he will take 20 bullets up his ass for something like this to happen......this right here, is what the joker and batmans clash is all about...

[@anonymousman5573]

"I'm not talking about killing Penguin, or Scarecrow, or Dent" I like how in this line, Jason acknowledges that for all they've done, Penguin, Scarecrow, and Two-Face don't deserve death the way Joker does.

[@JR-eu8ck]

Fr their saints compared to The Joker

[@gadielgonzalez2755]

Mmmm idk. Scarecrow possibly, penguin maybe, but two face probably not.

[@rokarayo9953]

Well in the comics he learns that Penguin killed his father. Let’s say that the kill list become a little longer

[@IIIISai]

@@rokarayo9953 damn

[@flasher6597]

@@gadielgonzalez2755 Does scarecrow even kill people? :/

[@proprince4268]

The scary thing is joker doesn’t give a shit about dying He could literally be on the verge of death and he would still be laughing

[@matthewwilliams8267]

Because he's pretty much dead. He knows that either the Joker-Venom or batman will kill him.

[@NateSchulte]

Deep down, it's what he hopes for, because even in death, Joker still wins. If Batman killed Joker, he would still win. He would consider it one of, if not the biggest successes he's accomplished. To see a man who has sworn to never kill, cross that bridge by taking his life

[@ShadowPersona360]

Because he literally doesn't care about dying. His only goal is a spread world-wide chaos and corruption. To prove that just 'one bad day' can truly ruin the lives of even the most incorruptible people. Hence why he continues to screw with Batman and even Superman in the Injustice series. To that end, he's willing to be a true martyr for his own cause

[@philiplee98]

Literally the last Joker scene in the Dark Knight. Batman pushed him off the building, and he was laughing on his way down, most likely plunging to his death. But of course, Batman had to save him to prevent that from happening due to his code.

[@lumpystilskin5367]

Not to mention his joker toxin

[@oscarleon5583]

I love this scene because it shows how Batman doesn't want to give up on Jason, if you look closer you can see how many times he could have disarmed Jason while he was talking, but he really wanted to understand his side and convince him that he was wrong. A great Father and son moment.

[@LAGator-qu7tc]

I think this what he wants from the Joker... Joker wants Batman to snap and Batman wants Joker to stop and thats all, just stop, maybe out of fear also. There relationship is very forgiving........ Joker is Batman's slave because he lives in his world nd Batman is too forgiving that only the Joker deep down inside doesnt fear him. Its like the God complex. I cant change you..... you have to change you..... there is things thats out of our control which can make us very upset. Batman been on the edge since a youth.... ppl like Joker had one bad day. Both upset.... One laughs at the pain of others and one is determined to heal others. Idk Spider-man and Green Goblin got nothing on these two honestly

[@oscarleon5583]

@@LAGator-qu7tc well said

[@LAGator-qu7tc]

@@oscarleon5583 thank you. Sorry this is really long i didnt realize, im fine if you dont read it. It would just be a waste cause i said so much. Yeah, I recently played the arkham series again. Didnt play Knight but im playing it now...... The game was boring-ish.... then boom....... The Joker appears. Not gonna lie the scene before Scarecrows extraction was perfectly displayed. Batman also doesnt fear anything. If most, he fears himself because he has the same power to kill just like anyone else. Batman is scared to kill ANYONE. Joker isnt scared to DIE. Imagine a psycho-sucidal person and an untapped cold blooded killer with questionable morality locked in a room with each other. Some one is going to die..... because death surrounds us all. Joker has to literally be the worst of the Batman rogue gallery. He literally HAS GAG DEVICES LIKE BATMAN. He's mocking him but the same time proving him right because he is THE TRUTH. Believe it or not... we love Joker as a character because he tells the truth. Clowns other villains but somehow they work with him despite the unpredictable nature of his character. He's basically a necessary cog if you gotta distract the Bat other than that.... theres no respect for the Clown Prince of Crime. AND EVEN CRAZIER..... He somehow has what Batman wants..... the FEAR of the Gotham. Civilains, henchman, and supervillain all have this weird imbalance for the Joker, a mix of fear, hatred, a mix of respect, over and underestimation they have of him that makes him has the upperhand. While villains plot there schemes for riches and world domination... so they hold onto a plan and a scheme. Joker on the otherhand.... just wants to understand you and doesnt have a plan. He has an idea and tests it out Thats it.... if it doesnt work oh well he jus dies..... Until he remembers he has a deathwish that no one can satisfy but the Bat and thats when his unpredictablty comes into play. He'll rather die to someone who understands him then some greedy person. Nd he'll kill you when you least expect it cause hes always smiling. Guard never down nd even if he fails he still wins because death has always been the plan. If the whole world had this plan where would we all be.... how we survive and progress..... we need people like the Bat but we also need ppl like Joker to set the example. Both sides fighting on a very very thin line. Whoever you align yourself with will who you be... know who you are... You'll only look like a clown in the end when you lose yourself. Lol im thinking of doing youtube with all this im saying...... should I ?

[@oscarleon5583]

@@LAGator-qu7tc yes bro definitely

[@oscarleon5583]

I have passion for superheroes And I think It's a moral responsibility for each individual to do something they found purpose for...

[@colossusslayer1234]

Man, Jason's voice actor nailed this entire scene. You can hear his voice wavering the whole time, like he's holding back tears. Such a damaged, hurting character, and this dude was perfect for the role. Tears your guts out.

[@xalex1885]

2:32 So notable here its amazing.

[@Khallaria]

The weirdest part is that its Jensen Ackles seriously catches you off guard

[@galacticjewels7856]

Yesss Jensen Ackles absolutely killed it as Jason

[@fuzzyslippersyt]

Agreed, honestly it's probably why they cast Jensen Ackles as Jason in the first place. He plays more or less the same character of the damaged son as Dean Winchester

[@Gayonetta5000]

@@Khallaria I thought that was his voice

[@banri5027]

“..and doing it because...because he took me away from you..” God that breaks my heart.

[@Misunao23]

The voice acting was God tier in this film

[@theflash6755]

Ikr!!!

[@Vesdus]

That's because: Jensen Ackles from Supernatural is Jason Todd! And John Dimaggio from Futurama and Adventure Time is The Joker!

[@TheKisj]

Just missing Kevin Conroy as batman

[@goatedbaz792]

TheKisj he the best batman but this voice after is still good

[@Naioki4]

it really was

[@reddeadsinister6969]

“All I’ve ever wanted to do is kill him.” Never thought I’d ever hear those words from Batman.

[@Vivid114]

I like to think that Batman is constantly tempted to kill, but he knows he'll go insane if he does so, which would be extremely dangerous for everyone. As a result, he will not kill anyone under any circumstances.

[@montaholic3120]

@@Vivid114 He knows he'll go Rorschach, and the last thing you'll ever want to be is Rorschach

[@montaholic3120]

@Ar3s The DPS It's to explain why he doesn't kill, as well as that same reason you just said. Also no, he doesn't say if he kills he'll become Punisher, he said if he kills he'll become The Joker

[@Shintigercurl]

@@montaholic3120 just look at the batman who laughs. that is literally bruce's worst nightmare made flesh: a batman with all his skills, intellect, and resources but totally lacking in morals and sanity.

[@montaholic3120]

@Ar3s The DPS Other than the "Batman becoming The Joker" thing Batman still has many other reasons to not kill. 1. His parents were strong believers in rehabilitation 2. Batman is written as an "Anti-Nihilist" someone who believes that any and all lives matter, and that even someone as insane as The Joker, could actually come back from insanity 3. Batman separates himself from the people he fights by showing compassion There's a reason why Marvel only used One note, 2-dimensional villains for Punisher, it's so people don't grow attached to the people Frank kills, and it's also so Punisher doesn't kill any of Marvel's most famous villains.

[@rogerleung160]

What most people don't realize is that, deep down, Batman is a man broken by senseless tragedy. You can't expect an 8-year old child to walk away unscathed from watching his parents die violently. Batman's strict code of honor is the only thing that's keeping from slipping over the edge into insanity. He NEEDS to never kill or he WILL go completely insane.

[@MB-dk6hk]

I've heard a theory that Batman is completely unable to tell good from evil from his insanity, so he designed a few strict rules to always be followed. To never kill a human - as long as he follows that, he is doing good. It certainly explains some bits very well. But it makes him hard to glorify, if he cannot fundamentally tell whether he is doing good acts or not.

[@Batman-ro9mj]

@@MB-dk6hk I mean I guess that can be applied to some Batman’s but batman says “it’s about doing what’s right because it’s right and that’s the only reason you need” to his son. So I think he does know right from wrong, he’s a philanthropist and has been called a good person many times. Also that theory reminds me of dexter for some reason

[@MB-dk6hk]

@@Batman-ro9mj Poor guy is very sick. But yeah, the stuff has been rebooted so often, I'm not even sure what is canon and what isn't anymore.

[@Batman-ro9mj]

@@MB-dk6hk Haha, I know what you mean dude. But I believe batman is a good person, but not in the typical way. He could also be referred to as insane but insane as in you would have to be crazy to do what he does day in and day out and put other people’s needs and Gotham’s over yours. That’s why he’s my favourite superhero, he has a lot of depth and you can do so much with him.

[@MB-dk6hk]

@@Batman-ro9mj That is true. Personally, I'm kinda tired of Batman. There is so much that can be done with him, but I think he has been milked. Unfortunately. Similarly, I think the Joker has also kinda been milked. Putting aside my criticism, I think Batman is a good person who is ready to die for his ideals. Though definitely not the right person to deal with these criminals, I think.

[@VDA19]

Jason unwittingly gives Joker the time of his life: " Kill me or I will kill him " is the shit the Joker dreams of at night. It's exactly his sick game.

[@kayleighbrown459]

I love how he's literally an expy for the audience.

[@logancox3308]

And only batman and the joker are aware of it

[@jimbrody4945]

“You won’t kill me out of some misplaced sense of self-righteousness, and I won’t kill you... because you’re just too much fun. I think you and I are destined to do this forever.”

[@TheReaper36912]

Your going to be in a padded cell forever.

[@lcconstanti6460]

That scene was one of the most iconic scenes film animation or comic

[@isaaicreyes2691]

Where's that from

[@lcconstanti6460]

@@isaaicreyes2691 the dark knight

[@isaaicreyes2691]

@@lcconstanti6460 thanks

[@HaloMizzouMan]

"And then one with the crow bar"

[@rebelelite4973]

Dead

[@Demon_of_Razgriz]

"and then one with the crowbar" *Injustice 2 Joker chimes in* "It could use a polish."

[@sethmorgan833]

Joker was savoring this moment. He's been planning this for years.

[@TheMangoman1220]

Savage

[@Hopebestman]

I think Jason doesnt like Crow Bars.I am not %100 sure but its a hunch.

[@sellammichael1796]

At 1:24 "the friends he s crippled" is one the toughest and saddest one of his list because in a instant, you understand that even in this movie, batgirl went through the killing joke

[@coolerthanfrieza4418]

Damn never noticed that he was talking about Barbra

[@joeReacher35]

SELLAM Michael, She recovered and got back on her feet. But yeah, she did go thru that. She was lucky Joker let her live.

[@gabejr25_82]

@@joeReacher35 >got back on her feet Intersting word choice there

[@313bankai]

See how Batman was triggered but he still was able to remain focused, that as Batman as it gets

[@anjaneyasreetrout2444]

@@youtubecensored9957 she was NOT actually raped..... Joker simply took photos after stripping her naked in order to give that impression to Gordon

[@Kanyeleaks911]

i like how batman catches the gun like he’s scared of it. shows that the animators know the characters 💯

[@leonrobinson8180]

Wow. Never saw it like that

[@MrCjlauer49338]

On one hand, it's a great representation of Bruce under the suit. He doesn't hate or dislike guns, he's scared of them. A gun was the catalyst to the trauma he carries with him, and it would make sense for him to be scared of guns rather than hate them. On the other hand... That thing was loaded and the safety probably wasn't on. Could've accidentally gone off and blown his foot off or something.

[@Jay-LT_513]

@@MrCjlauer49338 Love how the first paragraph is deep psychology and the second is just practical "oh crap that's dangerous" segway XD

[@Guitar4516]

That’s his kryptonite.

[@AstaIsAMonster]

@@MrCjlauer49338 the second paragraph is what it most likely what it is.

[@lucasfamily4670]

Compromise: They paralyze the joker from the neck down.

[@carloscervantes836]

Better call Saul am I right XD

[@ali13w]

He'd still have his mouth though. Cut out his toungue too. And blind him. And destroy his ears. Better put him in a coma too. (Just realized that sound very critical. It's not supposed to be, just me being paranoid about Joker.)

[@ShadowPersona360]

I'm guessing the reason that compromise wouldn't work is because they are in a world where literal magic and otherworldly powers exist. Not to mention a pool of unknown contents that can literally cure ANYTHING (Lazarus pit). Pretty sure that paralyzing a person to ANY point in this world is ultimately just applying a bandage over a festering wound

[@ali13w]

@@ShadowPersona360 blow him up and scatter his molecules. You know, like Thanos did with the stones.

[@DexOne1]

Throw him in the negative zone

[@gabrielpedro2814]

"Do you want to know something funny?, even after everthing you have done, I would have saved you." - Batman from Arkham city

[@theflash6755]

I remember that in the end of the game

[@zanderblankenship3849]

“That actually is pretty funny.”

[@runespar]

That game was a masterpiece.

[@BlossomPathOnStage15]

He lied

[@musajaved9862]

@@BlossomPathOnStage15 How?

[@TacitusSempronius]

"Why? I am not talking about killing Penguin, or Scarecrow, or Dent." Interesting, considering that Dent killed Jason's parents. Yet even as Red Hood he believed that Dent was redeemable.

[@Stayloprofile]

Tacitus1990 that’s exactly why I loveeee Red Hood. He’s too real and he’s suffered what Batman should have suffered and he really doesn’t even hold hatred towards Bruce or anyone except joker. Batman is all about darkness and all but in reality, Jason jumped right into the darkness and embraced it just to keep others from suffering.

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

Chandler Burse Jason Todd’s father is in fact abusive and a drug addict, but you can’t say that his mother is any better because she straight up abandons Jason Todd because she tried being a Doctor 👩‍⚕️ in Africa.

[@lionfuzzgamer9110]

he thought he was redeemable because it wasn't dent who did it it was the split personality in him

[@gamerguy6990]

Logan Kennedy that’s why I hated Arkham Knights adaptation of him

[@erikthomsen4768]

The names of the former two were impersonal aliases. But Dent. A surname. The street-rats of Gotham are not known for their manners. But perhaps respect. Note: District Attorney Harley Dent attempted to save this hellhole of a home called Gotham. And fought his darker nature. Perhaps the only part of Batman’s philosophy that the second Robin kept was the hope in the fallen could return to normal. Some of them anyway.

[@vicetube]

Underrated moment: Jason throws the gun at who sloppily catches it. Batman doesn't do "sloppy", but more importantly he doesn't kill. Expertly conveyed here. Sadly overlooked.

[@themoldysausage]

Batman seems so shocked to actually be holding a gun in that moment. You can see how repulsed he is by the thought of using it.

[@OmarM626]

@@themoldysausage This is shown in the first episode for Batman Beyond as well. The moment he's forced to use a gun to simply threaten someone because of his old age and health, and how he throws it away while looking horrified. He probably wouldn't have quit if he never had to pick it up.

[@alexanderthegreat1270]

@@OmarM626 And that’s what forces him into retirement, knowing he’s no longer strong enough to fight on his own and being forced to use a gun

[@Montesama314]

"What are you--EWW, get it off me!"

[@MH3Raiser]

The irony is, there was a better Batman: Dick Grayson. Moved past his pain and lived his life; Bruce saved him. But he couldn't save Jason...

[@Mexnoodles]

Dick Grayson dosent works as batman to me, because he is nigthwing, he is no longer a sidekick and Bruce knows it, he let dick take his own way, on the other side I think the best or at least the batman that is on the same level as Bruce is Terry McGinnis

[@MH3Raiser]

@@Mexnoodles Sorry I wasn't clear, I agree. Dick doesnt work as Batman because he's 'better' than Batman. Bruce didnt want another Batman like him, he wanted someone who could do what he did without living with the pain and rage he has every day. Dick managed that, but Jason couldn't.

[@trvpmusic2569]

@@Mexnoodles no Damian is the best and closest person to being exactly like Batman and better especially when he grows up like in his own comic or the zombie comics he proves to be the ultimate Batman much better than Dick or Jason though I love their Batman's as well but they don't work as a permanent Batman

[@Angavelmar]

Jason doesn't need saving, he is perfectly reasonable, and indeed a better "Batman"

[@malanala7371]

@@trvpmusic2569 I think what they were trying to point out is not that Dick is a better batman because he'll be exactly like Bruce, but because he doesn't become the angst filled man like Bruce at all. Bruce doesn't want anyone like him, he wants someone who is the opposite. Damian is too much like Bruce, which is why he'll be considered a "failed" batman. Emphasis on the quotations.

[@ultimateqmazing2537]

Another reason he won’t kill joker specifically is because that’s exactly what he wants. Joker wants Batman to kill to prove he’s no different from him. To quote team fourstar “Why do you antagonize him? You know he can kill you right?” “It’s a game at this point. And if he does, I win.”

[@LordTyph]

Just a quick correction Krillin: Why do you antagonize [Vegeta] like that? You know he can kill you, right? Tien: At this point, it's a game. If he gives in, I win. And he knows that.

[@ultimateqmazing2537]

Lord Typh thanks. Couldn’t remember it word from word.

[@lock376]

While true it's egocentric reasoning and makes Batman look like an a-hole

[@Chwarzerd]

@Platypus Artist joker is a master criminal. Even if the death penalty existed, the law wouldnt catch him without the help of a local metahuman, which I dont think exists in Texas in DC

[@ultimateqmazing2537]

Platypus Artist joker survived the electric chair already. He was given the death penalty and fucking survived.

[@ItsRainingYaoi]

"I'm doing it because...he took me away from you." OMFG Jason... ;A;

[@sabrinaruiz7012]

ItsRainingYaoi I felt that😭😭

[@maurahuggins8830]

When he said that this was me💔😢😭

[@maurahuggins8830]

A yaoi fan 🤔😊

[@BardockSkywalker]

@Obito Uchiha Either That Or He Just Doesn't Give A Shit, Remember, Joker Found Out Batman Was Bruce Wayne In BB:RotJ, But He Didn't Give A Shit, In Fact, He Made Fun Of It

[@IGamingStation]

@@idontwantahandle85 the door was closed when he said that

[@NRF-ql3bq]

"Party pooper. No cake for you!..." - The Joker still joking around even when being threatened (XD)

[@lemon93]

I still think best line is talking about the photo and he goes "and one just of the crowbar"

[@faezor3326]

i thought he said no kick for you since he was talking about his torture

[@salhb737tm2]

"Oh so you do think about me"

[@dragon091327]

Well he is sick, a very sick man

[@gthmbt303]

Most underrated Joker voice ever.

[@samualbrand183]

Isn't John DiMaggio the voice of the joker in this movie?

[@Soldier-wi8ps]

@@samualbrand183 Yes and he actually did an amazing job as him.

[@samualbrand183]

@@Soldier-wi8ps I know who John DiMaggio is cause he does the voice of Bender from Futurama and Marcus Fenix from the gears of war franchise

[@Swordyplayrebel]

Wasn't he the guy who did the voice of Uka-Uka in Crash of the titans? XD

[@cameronferrell5722]

camiloaldair we dont talk about that movie

[@CanalTALL]

Joker doesnt care about batmans true identity

[@andrewgrimes5360]

All batman's villains know who he is

[@brunotavares9830]

Actually he is the olny one who cares, because he knows the dark side of his true self, is like he told to Jason, if he cross the line, he will be a killer just like the joker, there are others HQs that shows this side of him.

[@abem6020]

Bruno Tavares joker str8 up says he doesn't wanna know who he is cuz that'll ruin the fun

[@buyerenogurlfwendo2106]

@@andrewgrimes5360 not all villians know. I think some versions of the joker know (multiverse where they're all cannon). But he'd rather have fun with the Batman than expose him. In fact the dark knight rises version of the joker discovers his real identity but decides not to expose it. Not every villain knows tho. N the very few that do have one reason or another not to expose it or wind up dead.

[@andrewgrimes5360]

@@buyerenogurlfwendo2106 if you watch the original dark knight cartoon you'll see he has personal relationships with his villains Harvey dent, joker, catwoman, poison ivy, rash algoul how ever you spell it. Remember when the broke into the bat cave??? Plus catwoman was at his fake funeral when he fought superman which is the adapt from the batman superman cartoon

[@TYfariguy]

Honestly Jokers “One Bad Day” realization from the Interactive version of this film would’ve been perfect here, Jason and Bruce having their emotional battle while Joker gets to be a proud social scientist seeing the result of his biggest field study!

[@JustinGreene0224]

"This evil pile of death-worshiping garbage" just hits so good.

[@michaelbrucato7180]

You know, after all these years I've only just TRULY understood Batman's reason for his no killing rule. It's not because of his Trauma from when his parents were killed, but the inhibitions he lost from it. Look at what he's capable of doing without killing. If he Let's himself Kill, even once, he won't ever stop. Because it gets far more results. But it will also make him the thing he is trying to stop. But Jason is different. He can kill some people, but won't kill others. He'll only kill those truly deserving or can't stop from killing because he's already died and knows what it means to kill. He's the answer to Batman's no killing rule; Only kill when necessary. God I love this movie

[@bullseye5262]

Michael Brucato precisely why he should’ve been the villain in Injustice and not Superman

[@CountDVB]

Yet Jason won't take it the legal way because he's too much of a screwed up person. It's not Batman's decision to decide the Joker's fate. That's the state's choice. If Jason wanted to go and be the one with the choice to kill, he'd go through the proper channels.

[@texteel]

@@CountDVB in which case the state is free to stop joker the next time he breaks out

[@renaldoawes2210]

One correction: Jason Todd as the Red Hood has killed countless mobsters and countless villians. His statement about telling batman he won't kill scarecrow or penguin isn't entirely true, since he kills basic street thugs without hesitation. His statement to batman was simply for batman. "I'm not telling YOU to kill others. Just him." His whole goal is to convince one man to break his morals and commit murder. Jason Todd could have killed Joker if he wanted to, which he does. But he wants Batman to do it. In his eyes, if Batman were to throw aside his morals and end Joker that would patch things up between them. The issue is Batman has seen what Jason has become. Jason is about as chaotic as everyone else at this point. Part of the reason I loveee Jason Todd as Red Hood is because he's chaotic like that. But Batman is different and doesn't want to become that. In a way, Jason Todd is living proof that Batman has a good reason not to kill Joker. Jason Todd is a villian as Red Hood. He isn't a good guy anymore. And I suspect part of the reason he wants batman to break his vows is to sort of come to terms with how messed up in the head Jason has become. It's hard to cope with rising insanity, but maybe if Batman broke his morals it would help Jason justify his own guilt deep down as to what he became. So long as Batman walks a different path to Jason, Jason will always feel conflicted. Jason will never be able to completely say he is in the right, given the most remarkable role model in his life firmly disagrees with the path he walks. This really is about Jason deep down. He needs to justify his actions because when you kill people, regardless of who they are, you wear the burden on your shoulders. His is a heavy burden.

[@hugorodriguez5521]

CountDVB that’s pretty stupid to argue 😂😂😂 everyone here knows that most of these criminals have the city bought. Its the equivalent of the cartel buying the government. Your argument is saying well why don’t the cops just handle it, like huh... my god you’re a genius man. Why didn’t the Mexican government think of that. Oh what’s that... they got bought out. Well crap guys looks like we can’t touch them or fight back cause if we do we screwed up people 😂😂😂. It just a stupid argument when you compare it to the real world lol. Let me guess if a man breaks in to your home and start shooting, you would call the cops and let them handle it right. And anyone who kills the criminal in self defense is a screwed person for not waiting for the cops to show up. My god I’m glad you’re not in charge of making laws. Criminals would love you.

[@Ro-fw3lc]

The moment when the murder of a psycho is more than justified and even I rooted for joker to die.

[@ericx6969]

bro robin should not have gave batman gun he should have pointed one gun at joker head and one at himself in head and ask batman a hard question of hardest choice me or the joker who must die? if batman doesn't pick kill joker then himself so batman feels guilty as charged

[@xexclusivex-377]

@@ericx6969 JOKER THE BEST

[@TheLegendaryLegacy]

Blame the justice system in Gotham. They should have had Joker executed. Batman keeps sending them to him with all the evidence and whatnot to show he’s a madman, but instead the system in Gotham seems to just say “Hey he’s just a crazy guy let’s him up” where anyplace else would’ve just sent him to the firing line.

[@lock376]

I don't even think white knights canon, if it isn't that means it proves jack and shit as it'd be like trying to to prove a point about ww with injustice's charactization

[@serenaperez5495]

@@ericx6969 Jason wanted, more like needed to know if Bruce really loved him, if he wad willing to kill the joker for him, you see this because once Bruce saves the joker Jason just gives up and sits down to be blown up again

[@Serenify10]

The deep thought that went into this cartoon is so incredible. The fact that Jason wanted nothing more than Batman’s fatherly love, and for it to be expressed in revenge for his death... It’s just amazing, the psychological breakdown that this scene has.

[@carbinecryo30716]

Yes this is a year late But calling it a "cartoon" really does it a deservice to just how mature the entire movie's story is As well as the level of emotion in it.

[@sambridges4670]

@@carbinecryo30716 nah

[@carbinecryo30716]

@@sambridges4670 Yah

[@codylakin288]

“And then one with the crowbar!” Gets me every time 😂

[@gruntguy007]

I personally see both Jason's and Batman's points. Jason's makes sense, but I do understand Batman's point of view as well. Taking a life is something I imagine most of us haven't done. And doing so would very definitely change you. Batman is definitely too afraid to see what he'd change into. If he kills the Joker, would he kill again? And then again. To quote MGS, "Killing is something which gets easier the more you do it"

[@professordark1544]

Look at it this way Batman doesn't want to kill but once more of a threat a guy in a batsuit with gadgets and gizmos or someone with a red hood with a bat symbol on his chest shooting actual bullets at you and killing you just because you were selling drugs I mean I'll be happy to see Batman before I see Jason Todd TBH because then I'll know I'll survive in a Live Another day but if Jason Todd is there you're not going to see the next day so what he is doing is a lot better than what Batman's doing because they're just going to break out of Arkham Asylum anyway so why don't you just lower they're kill count by killing The Killers themselves instead of trying to let them Escape every f****** Tuesday

[@TheCybertaco]

Personally we’re dealing with a guy who beats up thugs and supervillians while dressed up as a bat to avenge his parents death. I’m more or less surprised that Batman would still cling to that ideology with how broken mentally he is. So for him, killing the Joker would be a gateway to others. So do I fault Batman? Not really. I fault the judicial system for not giving the Joker the electric chair.

[@tzielsky]

@@TheCybertaco dang right, Batman maybe a vigilante, but he bring justice, but justice is decide by people, so batman just bring bad guy back to the people, but what justice do on joker? "put him on Arkham"

[@adrianmarquez8345]

You got some really good points. But the fact that you quoted MGS, makes your comment even better. 😉👍🏼

[@bronosx2246]

Solid Snake taught you well, friend.

[@CanDellJack]

"Why doesn't Batman just kill the Joker?" Batman: Hush does a very good job of explaining this question. He is given the option of either dooming himself by trying to save an enemy, or surviving by leaving the one trying to kill him to his fate. In the end, he chooses the former, and until his enemy is killed by a third party, Batman is committed to dying, trying to save even the man that has tortured his family, friends, and his romantic interests. Batman is broken. He is not some bastion of incorruptibility and morals, but a mentally destroyed individual that has been teetering on the edge of insanity since his parents were murdered in front of him. Batman is legitimately crazy, but focuses it into a constructive pursuit, even to his own detriment. That is why he cannot kill. He's balancing on a knife's edge and his entire life is the tipping point; to his own death or his own insanity. Basically, he needs to fight for this cause he made for himself. It gives him that focus he needs to walk that knife's edge. Anything less leads to literal madness, same or worse, as the Joker. At least until he gets rebooted.

[@Outlaw7263]

He finally kills the joker in Dark Knight Returns, he finally realizes how egocentric that way of thinking is and just accepts it. He doesn't go insane but rather he just accepts that he had to live with his choice, he's far too old to keep running from all that has happened.

[@neoforrester4401]

"At least until he gets rebooted" Or written by Frank Miller (ASBAR or DK2).

[@sjchamor5628]

@@PedroOrdep-kv5vw Yes, he does, he starts to hear the Joker voice and even talks to him, he is indeed crazy, until he dies and then "rebooted" as happens in the Dark knight Returns Part II

[@Knightphall]

He did on Earth -22 It turned him into The Batman Who Laughs

[@BoHugh]

Precisely. He either kills no one and saves even the worst criminals, or he goes on to kill every criminal. There’s no in between.

[@gingersnapdragonfly]

Jensen Ackles was so great for Jason...

[@red_vibe9984]

gingersnapdragonfly I agree. I would have really liked to hear Jensen voice Jason in Arkham Knight rather than Troy. Troy is an amazing voice actor but I think Jensen's voice suits Jason better. that's just my opinion.

[@ericdravennevermore2566]

he should voice more young superheroes, Will Friedle usually does all of them.

[@imaginepeace63]

gingersnapdragonfly I think Jensen should play him in a Batman movie

[@user-pi3hd2bt3f]

@@imaginepeace63 oh man id pay for that All the "im batman" jokes

[@misanthropicisolation4013]

"NO! God almighty, no. It'd be too damned easy." I'm on Jason's side, but I'll be damned if that didn't hit hard. Batman is finally revealing the truth, he wants nothing more than to deliver the worst pain imaginable to Joker until he finally dies, but he won't allow himself that satisfaction because of a promise he made years ago.

[@kaininjathundermmandopoke5167]

I'm batman has a point.

[@mattgillet6917]

I think if joker gets killed it should be Jason or Harly, because if Bruce does it then he's just going to kill everyone. People said injustice superman was bad but it'd be ten times worse if it was Bruce who went mental and wouldn't stop at nothing to control everyone on earth

[@kenshinuchiha3410]

@@mattgillet6917 if you haven’t already I’d recommend the Batman who laughs. It pretty much proves this point he doesn’t go insane but he basically solos all of the DC universe

[@mattgillet6917]

@@kenshinuchiha3410 it's exactly what I was referring to pretty much

[@kaininjathundermmandopoke5167]

@@mattgillet6917 Hugo strange has a point, look at the joker what if exist because of you, (it is batman fault)

[@flashfan123campbell8]

"The friends he's crippled!" Was that a shoutout to Oracle?

[@GraveDigger35]

Or Barbra Grodon

[@blitz4779]

@@GraveDigger35 same person He did say friends, so it could also refer to tim drake

[@American-knight-hawk]

Cripple could mean any form of extreme injury

[@Lightray110]

@@GraveDigger35 Same person.

[@scrabdusanproductions2104]

@@blitz4779 Tim was never crippled by the Joker.

[@thebatman1371]

“All the people I’ve murdered, by letting you live.” Joker: “I never kept count” “I did” ~ from The Dark Knight Returns

[@alexperez1591]

And I'm grateful for that

[@deusexmachina101]

Joker: "I KNOW!" "and i love ya for it."

[@adelorodell243]

Yes

[@aidenfurry471]

@Pipa Obala he actually didn't, i know the animation didn't make it clear but Joker killed himself, bats didn't do it, one last joke, framing bats for something he didn't do

[@crazy_teacup]

@@aidenfurry471 how did he kill himself ? Never thought of that.

[@thatonefool0215]

I often hear people say "why doesn't Batman kill the Joker?", and while i do see their point, think of it like this: Batman isn't the most stable individual. Watching your parents get murdered right in front of you at the age of 8 will do that to a person. His mind is basically doing a Philippe Petit style balancing act: even the slightest tip, such as killing someone, will make him snap and go insane... and he knows it. Thats why he set that rule for himself. He CANNOT kill someone, even a monster like the Joker, otherwise he WILL go insane, and more than likely become something even worse than Joker.

[@markr3730]

The Batman who laughs

[@AlphaOmegon]

*Laughs in snyder's Batfleck

[@thatonefool0215]

@@AlphaOmegon *We do not talk about Batfleck.*

[@Samuel152]

The Batman Who Laughs is the reason why Batnan won't kill the Joker.

[@moreparrotsmoredereks2275]

The question is, though, why hasn't anyone else killed him?

[@WriterKing92]

So, having seen "Death in the Family" (the interactive DC Showcase movie that takes this movie and allows the watcher to choose how Jason's story plays out), it turns out that Jason wasn't kidding about what would have happened had his and Bruce's situation was reversed (in that Bruce died saving Jason): he does exactly as he says, and pursues and (possibly) kills Joker. The thing, however, is that the Joker gets one last laugh as he dies/is arrested, knowing he turned Jason into a killer "just like him", mocking Jason the entire time.

[@IIIISai]

that's very well said, and damn I feel bad for Jason then

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

Does killing evil people really make you as bad as them

[@jj_grabes]

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Keep in mind the extent to which Jason killed people in both Death in the Family and Under the Red Hood: - beheading. - dismemberment VIA shattered glass. - burning people alive. - making people's heads combust VIA electrocution. It takes a certain maliciousness to do that kind of stuff. Some of this stuff seems like things the Joker would actually do.

[@vullord666]

Having gotten the chance to watch it through, but isn't there a "good" ending for him where he is surrounded by friends and family, and let's himself heal?

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

@@jj_grabes Fair. Two-Face pointed this out too which must sting for Jason when Two-Face killed his family

[@gregorydaniels7610]

This scene is why this movie is my favorite. The set up, voice acting and plot all of it is awesome.

[@ericjustasinner5695]

Indeed

[@JioVega]

Jensen Ackles should really do more Voice acting. There are moments where the writing is a little whack, but hes damn good.

[@samuelthrift7282]

He got casted as Bruce Wayne in The Long Halloween

[@camrolls3144]

@@samuelthrift7282 good for him

[@IIIISai]

@@samuelthrift7282 what's that

[@deadshotya0974]

@@IIIISai The Long Halloween is a movie I think

[@IIIISai]

@@deadshotya0974 bet

[@YowLife]

"What you're moral code is too hard to cross that line?" "NO! I can't do it because if I did I would be crossing the line." "...That's exactly what I said Bruce!" "Yeah but I said it better."

[@zackhurwitz9441]

Also Red Hood is 100% correct. Batman's one rule is stupid.

[@blackscreennoiseforrelaxat1517]

Zack Hurwitz No it’s the only rule that separates him from the villains.

[@zackhurwitz9441]

@@blackscreennoiseforrelaxat1517 I think being an indescriminant mass murderer is what separates him from the villians. The death penalty is a form of justice.

[@blackscreennoiseforrelaxat1517]

Zack Hurwitz True it is, but he’s not the police nor the judge or the justice system itself. He’s a criminal like them but one that doesn’t kill.

[@zackhurwitz9441]

@@blackscreennoiseforrelaxat1517 and that's completely illogical. You're already wanted for being a vigilante, and you claim to be the protector of Gotham, but all you do is catch criminals for a system that has never proven to be able to contain them. Meanwhile in this cycle they needless kill more innocent people. He's a bandaid. Or a bat-aid.

[@Knightphall]

Red Hood: "Why didn't you avenge me?!" Batman: "Well there was the whole president telling Superman to keep me in line when the Joker hid behind Irainan ambassadorship thing......"

[@Kaocyde]

So glad I wasn't the only one who actually read that story.

[@StarkSpider24]

@@Kaocyde I probably would have if I knew it existed 😅

[@fhb3]

"DC wouldn't let me call those 900 numbers..."

[@fahadalghanim5618]

Which comic are you talking about?

[@Knightphall]

@@fahadalghanim5618 Batman 429

[@prinzessinugk1279]

This showdown takes place in the same apartment in which Red Arrow lives during the second season of Young Justice. Now you know.

[@alanmooreisrasputinreincar8106]

Cool reference

[@dilloon7626]

Well let’s be honest this movie came out way before the show was released

[@retrozip]

How do you know?

[@dilloon7626]

Chanu F if you’re talking about me then this movie came out in July 27, 2010 and the Show debuted in November 26, 2010

[@dragnricvelestia6204]

He willing chose an apartment that has a bathroom with no doors and only access is through the window a few stories high above the ground?

[@benglaser1345]

I don't know which line I prefer, "One with the crowbar" or "Aww, so you do think about me!"

[@Freefork]

*Party pooper, no cake for you.* Think outside the box. -Cake may not refer to food-

[@joelouise2009]

“U be as quite as possible or I’ll put one in ur lap first” the way he said it was so cold

[@jasoncummings7]

@@joelouise2009 even Darksied is not that cruel.

[@tdk488]

0:41 Although Joker is my favourite DC villain, I ask myself the same question every time I see him.

[@totally_not_a.r2694]

Me too my guy is human

[@TildeathTheKid]

Just from the fact Batman, someone with reflexes so sensitive and finely tuned, barely catches the gun with both hands after it bounces off his chest. He wasn’t expecting the gun and he’s probably never even held one so he doesn’t know how heavy it is. It’s a really small detail that adds even more to this scene. Batman could’ve easily caught in one hand anything that Jason would’ve thrown to him, but a gun is what he struggles to catch.

[@mill4318]

I don't want to be *that* guy and say that batman most definitely held a lot of guns before, either from disarming criminals or his grapple gun that is basically the same shape. But I do agree with you on the fact that he obviously wasn't prepared, nor expecting Jason to throw the gun at him.

[@TildeathTheKid]

@@mill4318 I mean with disarming it’s so fast I guess he doesn’t really notice. But like, holding it for a substantial amount amount of time probably not.

[@mill4318]

@@TildeathTheKid Good point. Either way, still a fantastic scene.

[@clementgoh9270]

Batman does actually have training with guns. He even taught Dick Grayson how to use guns. While he made it clear to both Dick and him that they are not to use guns, it's important to know the weapon of the enemy and respect the weapon. To know the weapon even better than the people using the weapon against him.

[@inazuma3gou]

Jason: "Why on god's earth is he still alive?" Bruce: "...because" Jason: "because?" Bruce: "...I'm" Jason: "heh?" Bruce: "Batman! Because I'm Batman!" Jason shoots Bruce

[@akirosensei]

nice joke

[@geoffreysorkin5774]

The bullet hits his coffee cup

[@henrymcbark7337]

Yeah I'm sure batman would shot him with a bat gun if he dit his bat cup, to many memories with it... Oh and umm with Jason swell

[@themedineer2508]

Superman suddenly blocks the bullet

[@shadow12264]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😐I'm Batman

[@mx_nana_banana]

to summarize batman's argument a little "If i kill the joker, i'll become addicted to killing."

[@mogster3g]

More like "if I bend the rules for him I'll bend the rules for others"

[@crane8015]

While I don't agree on letting Joker live, I see what he means. It's like if you started working out, and you lost alot of weight. But say for example, something bad had happened to you. Lost a job, a relationship is gone, you lost someone, etc. And you felt it hit you so hard that you stop working out because of it. "I'll workout tomorrow" "I can afford to eat more" I'm probably exaggerating but do you guys get my point?

[@TheCraniifer]

@@crane8015 I see your point.

[@TheDangerousNate]

I always took it as, if I do kill him, then where will the line be drawn from that point on? How many people will they have to kill before I kill them? Do they have to threaten the people I love before I kill them? What is the thing they have to do to be deemed irredeemable in my eyes? Plus if Batman does start killing, in his eyes, he is no better than the person who killed his parents and took everything away from him. No matter if one could decide, Joker should die for his crimes, Batman could not make that call, because no killing is one of his primary rules and if it's broken, then he has compromised his one rule and therefore anything is on the table now.

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

grease monkey it’s funny how accurate your comment is because if Batman isn’t going to kill The Joker 🃏 than the very least he should at least let either Jason Todd, Azrael, or Flashpoint Batman to kill him.

[@Benderofdemise]

Then one with the crowbar Wtf joker, savage.

[@markhunter3533]

Best line ever!

[@Usca1990Asis]

He’s totally asking to be paralyzed.

[@markhunter3533]

@@Usca1990Asis no, he is asking for a picture with the crowbar XD

[@Usca1990Asis]

@@markhunter3533 haha. They should do a before and after.

[@markhunter3533]

@@Usca1990Asis yes! Bet the kid would love it!

[@-.__-.__]

Just to make it clear, Dent killed his parents and the fact that he didn't even want Dent dead says a lot.

[@TheShadowwarrior80]

I think he understands that Dent has a legitimate mental health problem, while the Joker is a grade A sociopath

[@DoctorWhoKage]

@@TheShadowwarrior80 a Grade A sociopath we know nothing about therefore, it's impossible to actually get him the help he needs.

[@AppleOfThineEye]

@@TheShadowwarrior80 Psychopath, not sociopath. The Joker very much has emotions and the ability to empathize with others. That's why he's always trying to make people laugh. But he's psychotic.

[@alial-hakeem9465]

Oh Batman "so you do think about me" Also, This animation movie is one of the best animation movies until now 👌💙

[@WarpStarK1rby]

wdym until now

[@rideabike979]

@@WarpStarK1rby into the spiderverse

[@WarpStarK1rby]

@@rideabike979 ah his grammar confused me lol

[@rideabike979]

@@WarpStarK1rby lmao

[@batman6840]

@@rideabike979 it's better

[@dashuanwaters6093]

“I’m doing it because......he took me away from you”That hit different

[@shredd-red9142]

Bruce Greenwood is such a great Batman. He is up there with Kevin Conroy. Greenwood played Batman in Under the Red Hood, Young Justice, and Gotham by Gaslight.

[@stillgod2250]

O'Mara sounds pretty good too

[@bhimsinghsherry]

Red Fury haha he was born for it his name is Bruce

[@jasoncummings7]

I disagree on him being up there with Kevin Conroy, that man is in a league of his own, but I do think he's a great actor. Along with Jason O'Mara and Peter Weller.

[@RelativelyBest]

Love how Joker is just like: "Man, this is awesome!" Also, doesn't this mean Joker knows that Batman's first name is Bruce?

[@christophercarrasco154]

Joker: Imma pretend I didn't hear that.

[@theamnesiasquad3425]

I think Joker doesn't actually care about Batman's secret identity

[@Samuel152]

@@theamnesiasquad3425 He doesn't. I think Joker once killed someone for trying to reveal Batman's identity.

[@lonecolamarine]

@@Samuel152 Yeah AK Jason

[@kayleighbrown459]

Like he even cares.

[@SirBoopBoop]

It's always interesting hearing the "not common" voice actors who've voiced the Joker like John DiMaggio, Richard Epcar and Kevin Michael Richardson. We all love Mark Hamill, but it is nice for him to pass the buck around too.

[@thewolvesrunwild]

"Party pooper, no cake for you."

[@Zenendos]

WAAAAH LOL

[@sdpshelton2105]

“Because deep, he (him being Superman) is a good man. And deep down; I (I being Batman) am not”.

[@subhakhan1900]

From the movie Hush right?

[@sdpshelton2105]

subha khan Yessir; and the comic.

[@michaelkean5969]

"Clark is simple at heart he is good because he is genuinely good whereas for me It's so damn hard all the time" Bruce Wayne.

[@CatsClaw44]

Batman is self-deprecating because in many ways he is every bit as good a man as Superman, maybe even moreso.

[@brandenapexo604]

I think Bruce Wayne realizes how close to the edge of insanity he is every time he faces the Joker or any of his rogues, he realizes that if one day he killed one of them that’d be the final threshold crossed and he’d spiral out of control, creating an even greater monster then them.

[@blackhand8299]

Best voice actors ever. Like they were perfect for those roles. They freaking nailed it, the delivery and emotions.

[@tasmsinist3rsix]

0:40 This whole scene never fails to make me laugh😂 The way Joker looks back and forth and then laughs, the way he scoots his chair around, and especially the line about the cowbar💀 It was perfect comedic relief

[@putmynameontheinternet8133]

I gotta say Jason’s planning abilities are underestimated. He may have been the one receiving that last punch, but the fight moved directly into the hallway he had the joker waiting in. Touché

[@HellNutcase]

And through the room with no doors nonetheless. Great planning!

[@durpy498]

The look of batman when he holds the gun, the look that reminds him of the day his parents died, he is afraid to pull the trigger, to kill off with the same weapon that took his parents away from him.

[@grimshock6983]

Everyone wants to kill the Joker. The R rated and PG content show that even without powers, he can be the most evil twisted thing in the universe

[@Eques_Umbra]

Lets not forget that one time in the comics where he got Mr. Myx's powers.

[@Surrenderindianarmy]

Not me

[@FlamenStarz]

jason: bruce i forgive y- joker in closet: Bruce? hahahahah! is it really? Batman:....got dammit jason

[@billdover3694]

Joker honestly wouldn't have cared.

[@virgiljianu7166]

He probably wouldn't expose him anyway because in his mind: where would the fun be in that?

[@genericname5909]

Joker probably knows just blocks it out so the fun isn't ruined

[@Zagwoot]

Luckily he doesn't care who Batman is since it ruins his fun, otherwise Bruce would be in trouble.

[@Eleven217]

"I'm gonna pretend I didnt -see- hear that"

[@JohnSmith-ep1vu]

I remember watching this for the first time in 2012 (2 years after it came out). Was absolutely speechless during this incredible and emotional scene.

[@bronosx2246]

I’ve always respected Batman’s code since 2004. That’s what I love about him. His full character of this code is further stated in the Injustice series. There was one thing that I found unacceptable. He refuses to kill people with his bare hands, that I respect. The Joker was finally going to die for his crimes and was sentenced to lethal injection as a death penalty. Batman took measures to stop them from injecting Joker and just let him be locked up instead. The Joker’s evil would finally stop and at least the death of the Joker was done by the law and not by Batman’s hands. I always side on Batman’s don’t kill rule for years but the lethal injection part was just unacceptable. In my opinion, if Batman wants to stop the Joker for good, it can be done without killing him. Perform surgery t o the Joker's spinal cord to prevent him from walking and moving his arms; he wouldn't go anyway. But the joker's most dangerous weapon is his mind since he is able to mentally control the sane and insane alike.

[@JohnSmith-ep1vu]

Bronos X I agree. That is the Joker’s greatest weapon.

[@szubinmehta]

Could you please tell where is this scene from

[@oscarp253]

szubinmehta Batman under the red hood

[@cheek077]

I remember that comic. The one with postage stamps being laced with Joker venom? I liked that story because Batman's pursuit of the truth is one of his greatest traits. But yeah, Joker should have been executed for the public's safety, though you shouldn't kill villains so you can keep stories coming. Looking at you MCU.....😣

[@sarahjamesinasarah6423]

1:57 “No! God almighty…no…it’d be *too damned easy…!* “ That, *that* right there is why Batman is Batman, why Superman is Superman, why Spider-Man is Spider-Man etc. they know that darkness is lurking inside. They know that if for just one second they took off the restraints and just *went for it,* their problems would be permanently solved, yes, but then they’d become just like everyone else. Superheroes are meant to inspire. To be larger than life and to be the peak moral epicenter *despite* having to deal with the filthiest kind of human scum that our race has to offer. To say “even when you want nothing more than to stoop to their level you *have* to be better.”

[@baki484]

Doesn't matter people nowadays want edgy and I've noticed that batman is the only one attacked for his no killing rule. Spiderman and Superman are praised for it. I honestly don't get that. These heroes understand it's not their place to kill.

[@GenGamesUniverse]

If you look at Injustice: Gods Among Us, Superman literally kills Joker for tricking him into killing both Lois and Jon (which thinking about it, it would have been Jon Clark) which caused him to go insane and instate the "Injustice" regime.

[@sarahjamesinasarah6423]

@big men Batman’s entire thing is not killing, the Avengers are usually non lethal except when pushed to their absolute limits, Punisher is an *anti-hero* Venom is mostly a villain but also an anti-hero, Spawn is a literal demon, Invincible hasn’t killed anyone on purpose yet (at least in the show, I’m not familiar with the comics), one of the biggest parts of The Boys is the fact that Billy Butcher is an unstable hypocrite who should not be in charge of who lives and dies, Ben Affleck’s Batman killing was one of the parts of the DCEU *everyone* hated and Tom Holland’s Spider-Man deciding to kill was played for complete horror and his rage drove him to almost break one of his biggest rules, and everyone around him was scared of and for him, my dude, what even?

[@Gavinlambert_s]

Batman : I won’t kill JOKER DC : STONKS

[@michellevandeventer9765]

Fuck you

[@Gavinlambert_s]

Michelle van Deventer chill

[@furanduron4926]

I wont kill Joker because MARKETING!!!!

[@DenerWitt]

robin has a point tho

[@ericx6969]

bro robin should not have gave batman gun he should have pointed one gun at joker head and one at himself in head and ask batman a hard question of hardest choice me or the joker who must die? if batman doesn't pick kill joker then himself so batman feels guilty as charged

[@ericx6969]

@@DenerWitt only in like maybe few comic books and 2 movies he did but majority of alternative he won't lol

[@DenerWitt]

@@ericx6969 I mean, he should kill joker in every reality where he is a crazy serial killer

[@mefeke7992]

@@DenerWitt pal there are comics where batman kills joker. and then going insane and start killing everybody. we all should just accept the fact that batman doesn't kill, shouldn't kill.

[@yougottrolled5799]

@@mefeke7992 and don't use guns.

[@nerdtuga9180]

"The friends he's crippled" This one hits really hard for those that read The Killing Joke

[@electricity357]

You can tell it’s an intense speech by Jason Todd when he can send chills down your spine and not say a single swear word

[@shemarregans]

I think Jason feels like bruce doesn’t care about him

[@GraveDigger35]

I mean, to him Batman didn't even try to save him. To him he thought he was gonna bust down that door amd save him before getting blown up

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

As he said, he forgives Bruce for failing to save him. Jason knows he would saved him if he could. It's what Batman did (or rather, *didn't* do) after he failed to save Jason that made Jason feel that way.

[@robertthompson5701]

That's exactly how he feels. Because everyone knows, if Joker had killed Dick Grayson, Batman wouldn't have hesitated in killing Joker. Jason recognizes this.

[@shemarregans]

@@robertthompson5701 yeah he would’ve

[@IIIISai]

@@robertthompson5701 damn that's messed up, more care for Grayson

[@TYfariguy]

Jason: I’m gonna use his own tactics against him, I know his moves, his counters, weaknesses, methods Goons: what if that fails Jason: well then I have this gun Goons: and if that doesn’t work Jason:...... TWO GUNS!

[@DragonofDojima_]

"Bruce I forgive you for not saving me. But why, why in God's Earth is he still alive" He wanted Bruce to avenge him 😔

[@CatsClaw44]

He wants Bruce to become a murderer.

[@Mirajane_kurosaki18]

@@CatsClaw44 well if you was tortured for 2 damn years you would want him to die to

[@BigLooper]

@@Mirajane_kurosaki18 it was only for a few hours in this version. In the arkham series it was 15 months. It was never 2 yrs.

[@Mirajane_kurosaki18]

@@BigLooper it was actually 1 year but in the game it was 2 years

[@meyrah8313]

@@Mirajane_kurosaki18 people think they are such a Saint saying "he wouldn't be any better than the villains" LOL wdym thks bastard killed and tortured hunderts and hunderts of people and you have the audacity to say killing the joker is wrong? Personally i belive batman hase the bloods on his hands from the victims of joker. He could of stopped joker killing and torturing a long time ago (what Jason said) but he let him continue killing. Its like you see a baby drowning but you don't help the baby so it dies. You weren't neccerly responseble for the baby drowning but you were you were responseble for his death.

[@Lunarcheese72]

The hard part is realizing Batman is wrong. like Damian said, "You're fine with traumatic head injuries but killing is too far?" Todd only makes good points, but he has to come to terms with the fact that Batman is just as insane as the Joker, and reason won't work with his moral code.

[@DoctorWhoKage]

Bats recognizes that he's insane. I mean, he *did* see his Parents murdered at the age of eight by a nameless thug who has never been caught since the Wayne murders happened. Seeing that shit would make *anyone* go insane. That's why he won't kill or even kill someone like The Joker because if he does that, he literally becomes something as bad as The Joker...or worse. His insanity would *never* allow him to *stop* killing. Even *after* The Joker is dead. Remember The Batman Who Laughs? The Batman Who Laughs is an alternate universe version of Batman who killed The Joker (not before being literally gassed up by The Joker) and didn't stop there. He then killed the entire Justice League and every other villain in Gotham and so on and so on. The Batman Who Laughs has literally dominated his universe's version of Earth.

[@nataliawashington872]

Agreed I agree that he refuses to kill cause he knows he won’t stop-I just don’t like that he stops other people who are capable of controlling themselves from doing the job

[@tarterus0117]

Why not compromise between Jason and Bruce? Give joker the ol' barbara gordan.

[@hobbesgoblin2691]

Robot chicken his ass

[@spacegremlin9972]

‘The ol’ Barbara Gordon’ omfg

@@geoffreysorkin5774 she wasn't raped

[@dvynal2964]

Excelsior it was kinda implied or at least that he stripped her

[@Benthesniperof8]

@ If Barbra gorden is paralysed, then the events of the killing joke have taken place. And if that's the case, she was indeed raped. Definitely one of the darker moments of her character in all stories in dc...

[@HenshinHeroesMedia]

This scene is so much better than the confrontation in arkham knight. Liked how deep down, jason doesn't blame Bruce but hates that their ideals conflict with one another.

[@miltonng4116]

When he said I'm sorry I FELT THAT

[@sid310794]

DC is not ready yet to recreate this pure gold scene in Live action. DC Please, Dont ever think about touching this story in desperate measures.

[@george-florinconstantin4141]

This movie had some of the best fighting scenes in animation. They really portrayed both Batman and Jason as really skilled hand-to-hand combatants. Many Batman (or DC/Marvel) animated movies lack that.

[@rimcrackerz7726]

“And if I do that, if I allow myself to go down to that place.....I’ll never come back”

[@lego007guym8]

One of the hardest parts of this storyline is I completely agree with Jason.

[@thegeneralmitch]

Jason: "The people he's crippled." Barbara: **sneezes**

[@Batman12-f9u]

"The friends he's crippled"*

[@Stewso2]

Batman is right. He beats criminals to a bloody pulp. Killing joker would put him in a position to kill every other villain.

[@tylerm7300]

Dosen't mean he has to. He's actually acting selfish willing to risk thousands of lives due to his moral code. What's so bad about killing a murderous psychopath

[@Stewso2]

@@tylerm7300 because like he said he won't be able to bring himself back. Two face, harley Quinn, bane all are psycopaths so if he kills joker then he will feel the need to do the same

[@tylerm7300]

Joker would be the only exception but yeah. I see what you're saying. It's him losing himself to an uncontrollable bloodlust.

[@yougottrolled5799]

@@tylerm7300 look at injustice superman lost his family now a tyrant.

[@MrKid351]

@Nico Yes. Stopping someone does not have to include to taking a Life.

[@happyfatherof5164]

Joker is just having the time of his life 😂

[@S.C.500]

"Party pooper. No cake for you." LMAO 🤣

[@crystallxix1493]

Love how awkward it would have been if Batman hadn't punched him into the correct room. "Errr actually ive got Joker tied up in the other room so could we.... continue there?"

[@skylarwagner4574]

Oml robin is Jensen Ackles

[@VacadoRay]

Yes i can hear the dean in his voice

[@sadlobster1]

Who?

[@WillOfMyD]

Son of a bitch!

[@GreyDuck54]

I think some people are just born to play some characters. There needs to be a live action Jason Todd played by Jensen Ackles.

[@franciscogonzalez1110]

Ackles has a great and commanding voice!

[@dage6131]

The Joker doesn't care about who Batman is because to him, The Batman is who Bruce Wayne really is. And Bruce Wayne is the mask.

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

Fitting, since Bats views himself in much the same way (at least in certain iterations). No one knows you better than your greatest enemy.

[@hawksfan8870]

This is such an amazing movie! Never gets old! Such a deep scene man!

[@joshpvgvideogamesandanimer5054]

The thing people don't realize with Batman is that even if he acts like a semi sane person, the man is mental. And a quote from a fan film of batman, "Dying is Easy" conveys the idea perfectly. "I am afraid. I'm afraid I'll like the taste of it. And then I'll kill everyone in this asylum." Batman knows completely that if he kills Joker, he's going to enjoy it and he won't stop. There's even a universe where he did kill the Joker after he killed Jason, and he didn't even stop at him. He went so far that he started killing Justice League villains. Giving in to dark impulses is easy. Knowing when to hold back shows real strength

[@iyannabrown3670]

What makes it so funny to me is that in the comics of red hood. The outlaws where he’s with arsenal and kori/starfire. On the back story of Jason Todd they showed us that the joker planned out everything. From Jason Todd’s dad going to jail, his mom so called drug overdose, Jason running the streets trying to survive, him encountering the nurse after being beat to near death. To him meaning Batman then becoming another robin. Shit was crazy had me shocked as hell. Made me look at the joker waaay differently.

[@Cyber47508]

Movie Directors: "I'm gonna make Batman kill." Batman: "I don't think you understand. I don't think you've ever understood."

[@aakk3619]

Then one with the crowbar 🤪😂

[@ultimateqmazing2537]

AA Kk yeah. The one he beat him to death with

[@Discokrieg]

hi

[@JarelJay]

Jason got triggered😂😂

[@_.emekaa]

😂😂😂😂

[@ok-pm1wo]

🤣😂

[@hiddenmaster6062]

It was at this moment, Jason realizes that it was about the principle in justice, not vengeance.

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

This. Batman's character has always been about how fine the line between the two is. But once you cross the line from justice to vengeance, you can't go back. If Batman killed Joker, he'd become everything Jason has. He'd no longer *be* Batman. He'd be no better than those he puts away.

[@WTC-1990]

"Why on gods green green earth, is he still alive" I love that line

[@Supperdude9]

Ultimately, Jason Todd knows the road he's on. This is just to drag Batman down to his own path so he won't feel so alone and detested by his former father figure. He knows it goes against his code, which is why he wants Batman to break his code, so Jason won't feel alone in breaking it. That's all it is, really. Jason is doing this for himself, to justify the path he took.

[@Supperdude9]

@@motivationman3495 > wondering if he loved him Jason forgave Bruce. He knew Bruce did his absolute best to get to Jason.

[@vazak11]

Pretty sure its cos he wants his dad to show he loved him, but hey feel free to dehumanize all you want.

[@Supperdude9]

@Fanjanhong * it's not flawless. That's the human thing about him. The DC superheroes are usually the pinnacle of people. The idealistic heroes. Marvel are more grounded, flawed, and real. Batman is the pinnacle. He is totally human, not an alien or God with powers. No super speed, psi, or any of those abilities. He is the limit of human possiblity. And yet the most flawed of the DC cast.

[@gokuisbetterthanvegetalolf9066]

No It's Jason being upset,And feeling betrayed that his own father didn't kill the man who took Jasons life. Jason feels betrayed that Bruce Is still letting Joker live, Because he trusted Batman. Place yourself in his shoes, Your own father someone you loved didn't try to avenge your death and you wouldn't feel betrayed.

[@gokuisbetterthanvegetalolf9066]

@@Supperdude9 BS Batman has pulled off feats no human should be cable of.

[@bdougwrx]

"And then one with the crowbar" is my favorite line!

[@mattmalco10]

This is my favourite reasoning for Batman's code. It boils down to "if I start ill never stop"

[@kayleighbrown459]

Which, inevitably....is a pretty subjective morality. Like he might be never able to kill someone and not fall into a deep dark hole, but that isn't to say no-one can.