Favoritism Masquerading as Equality - Christina Hoff Sommers on feminist double standards

[@ManSpeakOut]

*Men doing better in schools than women* Feminist: Its because of sexism and misogyny and we need to give women special benefits and programs so they succeed. *Women doing better in schools than men* Feminist: There is nothing wrong going on, its just that the women are better than the men in school. There is your feminist mindset.

[@ShadowOfDanger]

ManSpeakOut yep

[@onnik-k7584]

That sound very just and fair to feminists, common sense the first victim.

[@capoeiradude35]

Yep.

[@Individual_Lives_Matter]

Meanwhile they’ve obliterated the mission of academia, which was the free and open pursuit of knowledge. The woke women and men favor, protecting feelings, neurotic safetyism, ideological conformity (DEI/intersectionality) over searching for facts and allowing debate.

[@raphaelperry8159]

This woman essentially voices what I have been feeling for the last twenty years without being loud or offensive about it. I've always been of the opinion that equality should not mean superiority. That's all.

[@noreexic]

She's been talking about this for nearly twenty years and it's only gotten worse

[@krisztinalascano4379]

InterestingName Depressing isn't it

[@Darlemonte]

InterestingName idiocy is being taught in college now. What else can we expect... College and university should be more about fine tuning a skill or trade that will make you a productive member of society... Instead we have a middle school playground filled with people who graduate with a 2 year degree believing they have nothing more to learn. God forbid you're a "white male" and try to argue factual logic versus their subjective emotional opinions.

[@paggodiablo01]

A two year degree, where in gods name do you get a two year degree. All degrees at four years. Do a double degree, you do both in four years.

[@scdevon]

She's always been ahead of the curve, but she was literally decades ahead of the curve on the excesses of feminism. She looks like a rock star right now.

[@ImFrelled]

You get a two year degree at a community college. It's called an Associate's Degree. You can then go on to a four year university and transfer your credit hours and complete your Bachelor's Degree. If you actually went to college you might know this.

[@anon6514]

It's shameful that we have to say : "It's nice to see more women talking about this issue." The fact that men who bring up the issue are dismissed as mansplaining kinda emphasises the problem, doesn't it?

[@JesseWolfboy]

This movement isn't about EQUALITY, it's about SUPERIORITY. Social Justice is much less about JUSTICE and much more about REVENGE.

[@thelizardking3036]

The second caller illustrates that this movement is not about equality. She complains about women not being allowed in the military at some point. And I agree they should be allowed, as long as they can do the job physically. But how many women were forced to join the military? How many women were sent to Vietnam against there will? None. As I understand it, the draft in the US is suspended, not ended. Men still have to sign up for it, even if they don't have to show up. If that happened to women, it would be the biggest feminist course. Yet this caller thinks uppertunaties for women are more important then ending the unequal duties for men.

[@JesseWolfboy]

I mean revenge for the PAST. A lot of people act like we're still living in Civil Rights era, where women and black don't have equal rights to everyone else. And although they claim to want "equality" after all those years of actual oppression, what they really want is the tables turned. They want a REVERSE of 1960's culture, where WOMEN rule everything in a matriarchy and men have less rights and privileges, and where blacks are the upper class and whites are kept down. They actually have equality now, so what they're really going for is superiority. They want MORE rights than men, they want REVENGE for the mistakes of the past.

[@TheSanityMachine33]

women weren't sent off to die in wars by the millions in the past... men were... and still are. women already have more right than men... to life and children, family, money, affirmative action... reproductive rights. more care and focus is put on women in western society. it might as well be a matriarchy... it's already all about putting females on pedestals and throwing us men into the gutter as 2nd or 3rd class citizens.

[@neilsun2521]

New Rule Media - there was no oppression against women in the past. At least not in the 1st world.

[@alex-qd6of]

You might want to switch to decaffeinated meth.

[@00Boogie]

I'm amused at the caller who *has* to namedrop Limbaugh at the beginning to poison the well and make sure her fellow travelers get their amygdalas properly amped up.

[@youbetzler]

Second caller does the same type of tactic when she says "If only Eve didn't bite the apple is what i'm hearing". Hoff Summers simply said that society is ignoring the plight of young boys and they try to spin it as if she's attacking women. Typically dishonest approach from feminazis.

[@kylejudkins754]

she talks about boys having higher rates of suicide and mental stability... maybe that's a clue that it's not all fun and games

[@Tintenfischchen]

I'm a social worker and last year, when I was still a student, I visited a youth center with some of the other students. They showed us the rooms, the equipment etc. and afterwards we sat down with the leader of the center and two of his employees to talk and ask questions. At one point they all 'admitted' (they said it like there was nothing wrong with their statement) that they favor girls at this youth center. I was shocked. It seemed like I was the only one reacting that way though. The other students (even the two male ones!) were just listening as usual, no special reactions to that statement. Modern feminism and other 'social justice' movements are destroying the social sciences! It's really driving me crazy. BECAUSE I studied social sciences for 4 years, I KNOW that there is a right way to do those things and that social sciences are real, valuable sciences (can't really blame the people who think otherwise atm, can you?) IF they're done correctly, by applying the basic standards of scientific research.

[@SIPEROTH]

The reason this happens is because many females seem to have this us vs them attitude while males never really have it because their biological role in life is to basically take care of the woman. we know why men act the way they are but i am not exactly sure why so many females act with this hostile attitude against males. Is it also a biological inclination to see them as nothing but tools or is it threw social engineering and preaching about how boys are bad.

[@alphblishtarl9374]

Anon ymous From my understanding, it’s part of the rebellious stage. Minors sometimes have a tendency to also associate authority with their father, and so they don’t really learn unless they open up to challenging themselves. I think a part of it is due to how social norms tend to infantilize women, especially in a more conservative mindset and even in modern feminism. There are girls who aren’t infantilized or are more open to challenging themselves who end up maturing into proper women (or ladies, if you will), and those are the ones who fight against modern feminism. I think, more often, girls just tend to be more envious of boys in some respects, and they don’t all seem to learn why they shouldn’t be.

[@SabatSch95]

Good comment, but social science is not real science. It's just not possible. A science can be objectively measured or proven. Sociology has never been mathematically proven, neither has psychology. They are opinions that are at best, supported by semi-conclusive research (psychology) and at worst, supported by nothing but ideological arguments (sociology). Even the most educated, respected psychologist in the world is not a true scientist. Science includes maths, physics, chemistry and biology. Nothing more. End of the day, science is fact. And the social sciences categorically will never be factual.

[@alphblishtarl9374]

MG1995 Well, not really. You're right in that it isn't a hard science, so it isn't on the same level as physics or chemistry, but it does use science. It is hard to analyze human behavior because humans are very complex, so there are many potential variables to take into account. The opinion is not in the data itself, but a result of it. These soft sciences also often use hard science as a basis, especially biology.

[@SabatSch95]

Real sciences are mathematically supported and provable. Scientific theories are therefore repeatable to a fault, with precisely zero aberration. I'm sorry, but the social sciences simply don't get to claim that status. And are therefore not real sciences. It's a matter of definition. _"The opinion is not in the data itself, but a result of it"_ True, but doesn't refute my point. Not only is the data not always consistent, but the conclusions are completely dependent on the individual. I'm not saying that there's no value to social "science". I'm simply pointing out the fact that these academic fields don't meet the standards of what an actual science really is.

[@joec2078]

OMG there was absolutely so much favoritism in school, especially in elementary school. The girls would be whispering between them, passing note between them, and the teachers seemed to never notice. The moment any of the boys tried it, even just once, and the teacher seemed to always notice and stepped in to put a stop to it. Even when we were to do something among ourselves and we could talk, it didn't matter how loud the girls got, as soon as the boys started to get loud is when the teacher would tell the class to quiet down. We had nothing but female teacher who ranged in age from 40 to 60. It wasn't until grade 6 did it all change. In grade 6 we had a male teacher and a fairly young one. In his 30s. No longer was there a blind eye to the whispering and note passing and it no longer matter which group was getting loud. Now I'm in my 30s so this all took place in the mid to late 80s. Grade 1 was the worst. I think she hated boys. I remember that the girls got to go to the washroom whenever they asked. Keep in mind that this is grade 1 so it's not as if they were newly on their periods since they would be too young. The boys on the other hand were never allowed to go. Lunch, recess, and sometimes between subjects, that was it. Well, one of the boys had an underdeveloped bladder and one day it was clear he needed to go. The teacher refused and he ended up peeing himself. The teacher gave him a blast of shit and made him clean it up, in the middle of class, in front of everyone. At least karma caught up with her. She got fired because she saw one kid throw a snowball at another from the classroom window. She banged on the window so hard, she put her fist through it.

[@mfsperring]

As if i needed another reason to respect this woman. Thanks for digging this up.

[@Gravitahn]

You're welcome. I seem to have a knack for digging.

[@ArticWolfv]

women don't want to be oil drillers, truck drivers, or garbage truck driver

[@traianima]

the amount of common sense in this woman is to damn high

[@alexanderyozzo]

Traian Constantin you got me! XD lol

[@Neuronhead]

It looks like Christina started off thinking that feminism was going to be about equality, but along the way found out that people are crap. Good for you for continuing to fight the fight, Christina. One of the great rational thinking warriors.

[@steveparkes4365]

a man in New Zealand just won the gold medal in woman's weight lifting. Where will this end

[@Partacoolwave]

I thought the first caller was Camille Paglia until I realized you sped up the call. Lol

[@realmichaud]

lol...but Camille would agree with this gal in the interview ;)

[@Partacoolwave]

Christopher Michaud True, that's what made me realize it was sped up 😉

[@catwalkster]

I so agree with this. ( I'm a woman too. )

[@realmichaud]

I hope real women like you stand up, get involved and say something.

[@catwalkster]

I ALWAYS do. Needless to say, many women hate me :P I was once given the name The Creeper Defender. I kid you not. hahahahaha HOW funny is that? Of course they hated that i really liked that name , because they were dead serious about it.

[@Veldtian1]

You're just saying that because you aren't as fuckable as those girls you deride and are so wrong about, their following their natural inclination and exercising their right to dominate the hierarchy of hypergamy within that social setting.. Find solace in the fact that losers vastly outnumber the winners, why can't you ugz just deal with it instead of constantly going full Marxist? (which ends in mass murder every time.) Or is that the endgame..? Peasants and Kulaks right.

[@Metaphist]

Walk me now.

[@insanecuckooman8342]

+demigodzilla you are everywhere, get a life, loser. how boring your life has to be for you to sit at a monitor, typing mean comments all day? you probably wish to look half as good as +Cat Walker or any other human, so that envy translates into mindless rage because that is all you have. better hope there is reincarnation because you are wasting this life big time.

[@JohnChampagne]

~7:40 There is not yet a movement to make on-the-job deaths among women match the death rate among male workers.

[@williamkoscielniak820]

My time in grade school was utter hell, especially from 4th through 6th grade. The biggest reason for this was severe bullying but the absolutely terrible female teachers I had during those years did not help matters at all. My 4th grade teacher was openly sexist and proud of it. And naturally she never got in trouble with her superiors (let alone fired) because hating anything with a penis in public education is actively encouraged.

[@royf.9034]

Gloria "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" Steinem is going to teach us how to raise boys. Once I read an article about "How to raise feminist boys," (not written by Steinem), and the suggestions were along the lines of "buy him dolls to play with," "encourage him to experiment with makeup and nail polish," and such.

[@GethHeratic]

"Can she repeat the question? No just kidding." - I don't know why I found this so funny.

[@TimBitts649]

Yeah, she said this 20 years ago, and feminists STILL DON'T CARE....

[@bigmofo1122]

I can't believe this women has been debunking the pay gap myth since at least 2000. The struggle is real.

[@IAmJaguarPaw.ThisIsMyForest.]

I grew up in the 60's and 70's being sexually/loudly verbally-psychologically/physically beaten and abused. Nearly everyone I have ever met attempts to explain why somehow this was GOOD for me, my fault, sad for my poor psychotic mother, older sister and violently pussy-whipped father. Really? I was suicidal and self-abusive since age six....How I survived is a mystery to me....But the whole world has become my family.....It is as sick and dysfunctional.

[@darksavior1187]

why continue to use feminist instead of egalitarian if they truly are interested in equality. it doesn't have a built in gender bias or the connotations now associated with feminists

[@carlosiumanzor9340]

Dark Savior Exactly. I wouldn't get angry if people kept thinking I was a Mexican if I named myself Mexican Bob. Labels matter. A rebranding may be in order, unless of course you do value women over men.

[@3lit3gn0m3]

Because it would be more difficult to get a large amount of 'useful idiots', or so they're called. The sheer fact that it's called 'feminism' lets misandry live on through the supporters who don't need to think past the title; it allows the natural growth of man-hating to occur without anyone inciting it. It'd be easy to say I'm exaggerating, but humans aren't as reasonable as many of us think. The fact that rational arguments don't work most of the time is an unfortunate indicator of this.

[@StarboyXL9]

+Dark Savior Egalitarianism too is evil. Women's only proper place is beneath men, any other situation results in social upheaval and the eventual fall of society. Whether you like it or not the only choices are: 1. Women have little to no rights and are controlled by men 2. Society falls apart into either anarchy or a dictatorship Those are the choices, there is no 3rd option.

[@rymanshroomzorz]

I wouldn't say women deserve less rights, but they should definitely have different rights, a dictatorship occurs when the people don't have as much of a say in the matter as their governing body does. But it doesn't occur when the people themselves acknowledge a biological inequality between men and women. I find it strange that the majority of feminists also defend trans people, not because I have anything against trans people, but I just don't understand how feminists believe in two separate genders yet believe in more than two at the same time. I guess when debating men there are two genders, representing traits that can be misinterpreted as masculine or feminine, but when defending the trans community suddenly all traits are just human traits.

[@1967rwm]

I saw this when my kids (1 boy and 1 girl) were in elementary school. I was a chaperone for an over-night field trip, and when a group of girls got too loud, they were gently shushed - with a smile - by a female teacher. Not more than 5 minutes later, a group of boys got a little too loud, and the same teacher stormed to their location, and - with a beat red face - she began "whisper-yelling" at them with all kinds of threats to break them up, call their parents etc.. And then the girls got loud again, and it was another smile with a finger to the lips from across the room.

[@archados]

I agree wholeheartedly with this woman and her "brand" of feminism resonates with me as a 34 year old male. In my life so far I have noticed something about females with regard to academic achievement. While I think that one's ability to study and do well in school is mostly determined by your own willpower and hunger for learning, I have noticed that females were always more inclined to pay attention to what was being taught ib school and work through the information with enough enthusiasm. This having been said, males have alot of wonderful, and insightful, and practical perspectives on information and should not be "set aside" or ignored with the argument that "it's a man's world". There truly is no conflict of talents and abilities here. Men and women compliment each other perfectly and when men and women are both allowed to express their unique perspectives together as a team, we acheive greatness as a species.

[@ciCCapROSTi]

If someone becomes a feminist because they believe in equality, they are doing it wrong. Not only now, but in the past as well. Feminism was always a movement based on the false ideology that there is a patriarchy that is crushing women. Which was never the case. I would argue it's not the case even in more traditional muslim countries. Just because you only see the women suffering it doesn't mean men live well. Having less rights in an oppressive society can be a boon, since it comes with less responsibilities.

[@alexandert696]

Back then it must have been hell to disobey feminism. She has been treated like a traitor by the very people that scream tolerance and diversity.

[@FRC0711]

I cannot believe Christina Hoff Sommers gets called a fascist. She sounds so reasonable and balanced.

[@scdevon]

Society will reach a breaking point where men with physical skills who act like men will be in high demand . Who fixes your refrigerator when you pick up the phone? Who builds subway tunnels? Who's walking iron beams 60 stories high building high rise buildings? Who puts up 700 ft radio towers? "Women do those things, too" (Yeah, maybe for a photo op of a woman operating a crane every once in a while and that's about it). Almost every modern convenience you can think of was invented or innovated by men, too. (white men)

[@ssesf]

I like that the callers are sped up.

[@bmadnessb3085]

you can even hear the anger in the callers voice even with it sped up.

[@MrJingres]

Here it is, laid out *20 years ago*, and it has only gotten worse. Thank you for your wonderful insight, Christina!

[@Ton-uy1xd]

It should be pretty obvious to men why we care less about schools in general. We're capable of thinking for ourselves. We can tell from a young age that school is nothing more than a state-run indoctrination system that's far less about education than it is culture control. A vast majority of young women don't know what else to do but play along.

[@rixtex9]

I have worked in education as a teacher, and after exposure to children, both girls and boys, to me, it is blatantly obvious the there is a force working in favor of girls. The trend, that I see, is clear. Boys are not motivated. Boys are confused. Boys lack focus and confidence. Across the board, the girls in the classes i have worked with, are much more alert and confident. They know what they are about. By contrast, boys seem to be dull and uncertain. Whether this is happening because of policy decisions, or because of some force of nature and the zeitgeist, I do not know. But, without question, girls have the cultural and political advantage, at this time.........in our social development.

[@dervakommtvonhinten517]

17 years ago and things only went worse...

[@steve3131]

That first caller should have her sons removed from her. "Maybe the girls are just better!". When elementary school teachers (>90% female and the majority confirmed misandrists) cannot identify the sex of students on test papers, boys receive substantial higher grades than they would otherwise. No such bias exists among male teachers, who are being neutered or purged from education. The white upper middle class female professionals or academics (the cadre of feminism) are the most pampered, spoiled overprivileged group in society. As for the so called "wage gap", 93% of workplace fatalities are male. Those men are not tripping over copying machines. They are doing dirty dangerous jobs that women think they're too good for. When feminists EVER address the disparities in workplace fatalities, I'll listen to their whining about the lack of women in STEM subjects. BTW, the proportion of women in STEM is higher in "patriarchal" countries like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, China and even Saudi Arabia than in anglophone countries and Scandinavia, mostly because the parents of female students in those countries wouldn't waste their money sending them to college to major in Feminist Dance Therapy or to write a doctoral thesis on the Emergence of Lesbian Feminist Consciousness in the Cinema.

[@lex3729]

Feminist hears "Females are favored more" and thinks "just as it SHOULD be" Everybody knows that "Snakes and snails And puppy-dog tails That's what little boys Are made of." "Sugar and spice And everything nice That's what little girls Are made of"

[@bacht4799]

LEX37 I always hated that rhyme.. in both cases

[@ShawnRavenfire]

Holy shit, the sped-up caller! I was not expecting that.

[@davidwest4001]

Shawn Ravenfire. Yeah, I think it was actually slowed down.

[@carlosiumanzor9340]

Shawn Ravenfire Well. I think it's ok to speed up a caller if they're just throwing out the same talking points. Now if she put some new insight out there, we definitely have an obligation to entertain it.

[@mgtowbro917]

Eventually the men will fight back and this moment in time will be remembered.

[@convertableburt]

This woman is exactly what all gender equality advocates should strive for. Respectfully and calmly having a discussion in the way she does on these topics are the key to success.

[@hughhemington9559]

Pure advocates want to win, without regard to balance or justice. When the resulting injustice is pointed out, they cite that the other side should have fought harder to win.

[@garytyme9384]

In the UK girls in universities have a 4:1 advantage over men in 2015.

[@garytyme9384]

Here is some evidence from my research that I gathered whilst doing a Masters degree in Education - www.academia.edu/19756368/STEM-plus_and_the_Common_Core_a_collaborative_framework_for_inclusivity_in_psychology Starting from the supposition that science learning should be available and accessible to all learners, it looks as though the concentration on ‘more girls in science’ since 2010 has unintentionally overlooked the fact that having boys in science was just as important. Looking at the statistics for gender gaps at university from 2011 - 2015 they show that the drive to have a greater representation of females in science has in deed decreased the number of males not just attending university, but also achieving higher class degrees. However, Brickhouse et al. (2004; p 441) would suggest that science is primarily masculine, competitive, objective, impersonal, and as a result, are at odds with the images of what females believe themselves to be as individuals. And, as a further consequence, is also assumed to lead to a view of females as being subservient and subject to a type of draconian determinism that defines and characterises how females should be socialised and educated e.g. playing with dolls versus playing with blocks (Brickhouse et al., 2004; p 443). Conversely, this masculine, competitive, objective, impersonal nature of science cannot be said of psychology, as females tend to dominate this discipline. Hence, it does not seem to have a big effect on females’ success in psychology. Regrettably, this also implies that psychology is not a science-for-all discipline and fails to stimulate inclusivity for men. Bishopblog (2012) has also noted that; in 2011, 80% of the learners on a psychology course were female; 59% were female postdocs; 55% were female lecturers; 46% were senior researchers and 36% were female professors. Although, the surprising trend is that of the proportion of women in psychology. As the reader can see, this trend does tend to decline as females advance through their career; but, this is in line with what has been observed in many other scientific disciplines. Therefore, there is a subtle decrease in the representation of females in psychology as they reach the upper echelons of mastery of psychology. Moving forward to 2012, Sanders et al. (2009; as cited in Smith 2012) has provided evidence that shows; in 2012 the ratio of males to females studying psychology at undergraduate level was 1:4 respectively. Which, as Smith (2012) points out; suggesting that psychology is far from being dominated by males, and is - as the author agrees - failing to include men. Furthermore, Coughlin (2014) has reported that; in UK universities, 34% of women were allocated places in 2014, compared with 26% of men, the widest ever gap recorded to date, accounting for 32,000 more female students nationwide. And now in 2015, Adams (2015) has reported that this downward spiral continues as the UCAS statistics for males attending university in 2015 has decreased even further i.e. 58,000 more females than males attending university in the UK. Even over the years that the author has taught psychology, he has also noticed a decline in males attending psychology courses, and usually for some of the same reasons that Smith (2012; p. 391) also reports e.g. males find themselves the minority in a subject perceived as female; issues of reduced participation by men, therefore, appear directly linked to issues of identity and performance. Unfortunately, this situation has disadvantage males and deterred them from choosing to study psychology at undergraduate level. Therefore, when considering gender-related differences, one can see that it becomes painfully obvious that inclusion is always going to be difficult to achieve. Conclusion (808/1000words) Proceeding from the ‘rebranding’ i.e. STEM-plus of psychology through the shared elements between the natural sciences and psychology and promoting it as either a ‘gateway’ subject that encourages learners to study other sciences; or, a booster subject that enhances the learners’ knowledge and understanding of the sciences (including psychology) seems to be a relative Freudian regression to an earlier stage of psychology due to the fear of being washed overboard in the wake of the CCSS initiative. And as the author discussed on the SEH806 café forum that; the natural curiosity that psychologists have for studying the mind and behaviour will slowly be standardised because of its bravery to affiliate with the common core. Although, are Trapp et al. (2011; p. 5) underestimating the two great strengths they claim psychology learners have? The possibility that students - either male or female - would be flexible enough to adapt to study in the natural sciences is very real, especially if the reader factors in that; psychology is known to be an extraordinarily heterogeneous discipline, covering a very wide range of approaches and methodologies, and, therefore, psychology students gain a much broader range of skills than most university students (Trapp et al., 2011; p. 5). The CCSS’s global drive to standardise science using this inter-nation curriculum development initiative will definitely usher in a new history for psychology; but, it will also open the gates of science and wheel the CCSS ‘Trojan Horse’ straight in to marketplace of tolerance, free enquiry and mandate exclusion to those who do not meet the standard. Serendipitously, where the author initially feared delimiting the nature of inclusivity; the reality was that, he found the CCSS initiative and STEM-plus development are not the friendly intermediaries that were said will stimulate a greater degree of inclusion for all learners. Siegel (2002; p. 818) also warns the reader about ‘scientism’ and suggests that dismissing ‘pluralism’ is to dismiss the valuable resource that exist in local and ethnic alternatives as venerated, however non-scientific, cultural understanding. Otrel-Cass et al. (2009; p. 36) also point out that; to facilitate learning opportunities in the science classroom the teacher must be as culturally responsive as possible and deliver the curriculum from the contexts in which students are socialised. Jegede and Aikenhead (2004) go on to say that when a learner has the opportunity to borrow and adapt individually engaging aspects of another person’s culture - and incorporate them in to their own culture - it can lead to a greater degree of learner inclusion. However, the author is still of the opinion that, in addition to cultural responsive pedagogy, science and psychology classrooms should also focus on gender responsive pedagogy. Coincidently, the author did mention that he feared delimiting the nature of inclusion and gender, however, he did find that this reductionist view of gender and psychology was the correct direction to take in the enquiry as this led him to ascertained that psychology, however scientific, is not a male dominated discipline. But, this could all change at the flick of a switch if, or when, STEM-plus aligns with the CCSS initiative and pledges its allegiance to scientism. Also, the author commends Brickhouse et al. (2004; p 441) for being correct that the natural sciences are primarily masculine, competitive, objective, impersonal; but, the author believes Brickhouse et al. (2004) to be wrong about psychology as females tend to dominate this discipline; moreover, females are not subservient in this discipline. Nonetheless, however empowering this must be for females in study and practice of psychology, the failure to stimulate inclusivity for men has shown that psychology has really been dominated by females - and as such - has seen the systematic reduction of the males in psychology. Even the author must comment that; “the last three psychology roles I have applied for have been given to a female sociologist with a counselling qualification”. The reader can now take this anecdotal evidence in any which way they choose; but, evidently, the social science domain is eminently patrolled and vetted by the matriarchs of psychology. Although, looking at this from Fensham’s (1997; p. 21 - 23) description on how the perspectives about science-for-all, the science curriculum and pedagogy has changed socially, economically and politically over the years the supposed solid foundation, correct explanations and scientific skill development that CCSS and STEM-plus initiatives imply ‘do provide’ will inevitably be suffocated and begin to dismiss indigenous knowledge in favour of the indoctrination in to western modern science. The author firmly believes that STEM-plus will be forced to assimilate due to the future affiliation psychology and the natural sciences share, not only in their respective disciplines, but also through the common core. Therefore, females may need to affiliate themselves with the more patriarchal rule of scientism if they are to keep succeeding in this proposed new world of standardisation and global order in science. This is what I mean :)

[@carlosiumanzor9340]

Gravitan. You got some of the best reposted content.

[@Gravitahn]

Thanks!

[@You-are-right-but]

I agree. I see teachers routinely saying, "Boys are not as good as girls at reading...writing". Listen the next time you go to your kids school.

[@johnthatcher2349]

In history what happens to societies when women take control? Remind me which female run societies have succeeded?

[@anthonylipira9526]

The problems have only gotten worse over the years since this interview was recorded. Time has proven her right.

[@tomripsin730]

3:36 Speeding up the audio on the phone call is a really cheap trick. It undermines the serious points that Christina Hoff is making, and makes it appear that the uploader is afraid of an honest debate on the subject.

[@bluewrenreilly129]

Good for her she is a very intelligent woman. I wish her luck and lots of support.Masculinity is something to admire we love boys.Those feminists might think of all the work men have done to support them and risked their lives in wars to defend home and country.It is time there was some real equity considered. There is nothing ideal in just being a woman persay but equal human rights for all,should be the goal. The claims of some of these modern day feminists are sickening to most thinking women today.The Feminist movement has become toxic.

[@shredder213]

Wow....5:30....The Hoff is once again SO correct. We need to stop identifying one sex as "better" than the other. That goes both ways. Modern society has real difficulties discussing differences between various groups, especially when the concept of intelligence is involved. I've been smart all my life, and the envy is palpable. Trust me people, it's not all it's cracked up to be. I do hope to one day achieve victory on my own terms and use my abilities to help turn the tide in this fight, but that goal is a long ways away at this point.

[@RaiosSephi]

Boy... 17 years is a long time... kinda proves that feminist has no cap in satisfaction

[@cardboardjase248]

Thanks for the upload. But thanks even more for the link to the original. Why'd you speed up the caller's question? Just because radical feminists love their echo-chambers, it doesn't mean you have to create them too.

[@sterlingarcher1962]

This video would have been far better if the poster hadn't sped up the caller's voice. Pull up your big boy pants and hear both sides. You have to listen before you can change anyone's mind or you're just playing into their game. And, make no mistake, they have been winning for a long time... this interview was done almost 20 years ago. Over that time men have lost ground, not gained.

[@dz9589]

God, it's depressing watching this in 2018 almost 18 years later and seeing how worse things have gotten.

[@MostlyBuicks]

Woman speaks truth (and the painfully obvious).

[@oraz.]

I can't believe this was 20 years ago

[@mengtow152]

Only feminist have the right to speak about it , she first has to mention it

[@benjaminhudson15]

I love you Christina Hoff Sommers. Thank you for your truth.

[@dereklong2072]

"The Rush Limbaugh Hour" according to the first caller. I burst out laughing.

[@shredder213]

Um.......why does this video go all crazy when the caller speaks?

[@shredder213]

Really disturbing on multiple levels....ah...2018....what a nightmare.

[@kkallebb]

What is the point of accelerating the voices of the callers?

[@Severe_CDO_Sufferer]

It seems most people are about 20 years behind current knowledge, because it takes most of them that long just to wrap their heads around something new. (unless it's food)

[@bigskytheroy7016]

Thanks for your sensible views.

[@toplobster740]

Why are the callers talking so fast?

[@rymanshroomzorz]

You see, once I told a woman "I'm not sure why people cheat, I only get with someone if i love them." And got told "that's the gayest thing I've ever heard." You know what this made me realize?....... that women nowadays embody the same bullshit postering mucho attitude that egocentric men have where emotion is seen as weakness, whilst simultaneously claiming all masculinity is toxic.... if its so toxic, why act so masculine? For that matter, what's up with masculinity being seen as everything bad, aggression, promiscuity, etc. Yet femininity is seen as tenderness and caring.... makes zero sense considering having emotions is a human trait across genders, only women are allowed to have emotions, men have to pretend they don't.

[@christophermirkovich7290]

Why the hell are all the cooler so sped up

[@adamkember]

The sped-up bits were hard to follow.

[@PuntedKitten]

Thanks for resurrecting this.

[@Thane36425]

This has been going on for a long time. It was getting started even in the early '80s, with special things for the girls and girls given more attention, getting away with more stuff, etc. Later on there were things like shirts with "Girls rule, boys drool," on them, things that if they were reversed would never be allowed and punished. I'm sure it is much worse now, at least in the public schools.

[@tristandawe4786]

Demigodzilla = "Squawk squawk, I got a participation trophy from university (liberal arts degree) so I'm morally and intellectually superior to you" Amirite?

[@gyuhff]

I am so happy to see a woman like this.

[@Dekunutcase]

Wow. Callers, layoff the personal insults. Why do you lead with name calling instead of your argument?

[@j.e.h.648]

This scares me. This equality of man discussion, is apparently much older than I knew. And no milestone have been reach yet.

[@goondocksaints9597]

I wish I could 'speed up' the feminist tirades I've been unlucky enough to have to sit through in my life, just like they did in this video.

[@goondocksaints9597]

If I could have done that, it would only have taken me three years to finish college.

[@cosmicrevival7105]

Very intelligent woman. Thank you for speaking up. We should start doing it for ourselves though.

[@SirVyre]

The face of a true egalitarian.

[@terracethornhill]

We should all be equal under the law, but it's okay that there are differences between men and women that run deep. We are who we are, and we should respect that. You can't legislate away biological differences, you can either embrace them and try to use them to their maximum benefit, or you can stifle them and make them a bone of contention. Your choice.

There are men who are not equal to other men. Some do real well, other don't. Life is competitive. Boys are taught to win, girls are taught to play nice.

[@draconavp2]

I am so much discouraged from this video. It was made on August 29, 2000. It seems that nothing has changed for about 20 years. It got even worse.

[@billywhizz373]

In the UK this changing of school work and exams to pander to girls started in the mid-70's. In those days the boot was on the other foot with boys out performing girls in nearly everything. However they started slanting everything to give more credit to coursework which girls usually did better in and less on the actual exams which the boys did well in as they were competitive. This was the thin edge of the wedge.

[@georgiaputZ]

Thanks for speeding up that long winded dribble!!! LOL

[@victorcates9330]

If you view construction as a partial explanation of gender difference rather than absolute, you'd get some differences. Enlightened politics often suffers from talking about respect for difference, while denying that differences produce different results (or being contradictory on this point). It's goes beyond a critique on nature to a fundamental denial of having a nature, of there being an underlying reality.

[@ndelliott138]

It feels good when your problems are acknowledged, is this what being a women feels like 24/7?

[@TrollAxeThrower]

I like how you speed up the nonsense.

[@michaelcarper2185]

Speeding up the voices of the callers is stupid. We need to hear objections clearly if we are going to respond properly.

[@1greatfinkerofrtimes381]

Christina Hoff Sommers has been doing this for years and even back then she was explaining the wage gap which is good , interesting video factual Feminist rocks' .

[@DreadusShadows]

8:30 into the video, i love how she explains the pay gap, she also should have stated a few other facts including hazard pay, the TOP 20 most dangerous jobs in american are all over 90% male and people wonder why the work place fatality is still 94% men last i checked. her point @ 9:35 in is cute but has a very valid point too.

[@stevemtc1]

My little boy wants to hit a softball rather than a baseball I think he should petition the court. Then when he continues to hit grand slams we will say how awesome he is and celebrate MVP and tell the world how dominating he is.

[@DaddySantaClaus]

The other day someone women asked me where to buy water, I just ignored them, it could be trap to call the cops on me and get me into prison, plus I don't want be told that I'm patronising when showing where the shop is 😂😂

[@jesusmcphuck6510]

Wish all feminists were as smart and sensible as Sommers.

[@rowsdower12]

this what I've been saying. Not only gender, but race. It's about control, and division.

[@reezlaw]

Holy SHIT this was in 2000. She was saying the same exact things we keep repeating to feminazis in 2017. Amazing.

[@douglasstrother6584]

All of the Honors Students in my daughter's 8th Grade class were girls; there was not one boy out of 200 or so students.

[@oneday5704]

Growing up I was a very good boy who believed in God and wanted to be an angel. At 7 I was compassionate and befriended some of the elderly men and women and visited often. I listened to their stories and they loved telling them. However. all the strong females rolls in my life treated me like I was inherently bad. My mother. my aunt, my grandma. I remember feeling lost. like, I know who I am, why don't they. I would greet them with a smile and be answered with a scowl as if i was up to no good and my smile was hiding was i was really about. It breaks my heart that individuals are treated as a part of a whole. Men, Women, blacks and whites etc. all large groups of millions. how can we have a conversation about me and you unless it is really about me and you? I'm still a good boy at 46 but I have resentment for 3 of the women I loved the most and that is sad. Don't they know that my dad and brother were hard enough on me as it was?. Thanx for the insight. It's ok to be white. It's ok to be a boy. in fact its great. Why shouldn't it be? Ther needs to be less tv and more campfires. dont judge children especially because they will see right through that and just stop loving you.

[@oneday5704]

There was one elderly lady that would visit with my sister and would not visit with me and she was always telling my sister how bad boys were and that pussed me off. If you treat a child as if they are bad it is likely that they will be.

[@oneday5704]

unconditional loves can prevent so many things and i believe mass shootings to be one of them. all men/boys, pills don't replace love. someone who feels loved will want to love. someone who feels pain and abuse will want to exercise that exact thing.

[@douglasbarnes4035]

These callers are incapable of forming arguments without informal fallacies. Non-sequitors, tu quoque ad hominems, etc. Wow.

[@TheAsianRepublican]

Douglas Barnes that about sums up liberals

[@Crushonius]

17 years ago Based Mom wrote this book and NO ONE read it NO ONE cared thats how much men mean to women a big fat ZERO

[@JR-hh8js]

20 years and nothing has changed

[@wolfgang4456]

it’s funny how the people who called in just proved all her points

[@nickwilliamson6726]

This is all from a year ago but I just watched a video from mysandry today who brought up an extremely interesting point that was minorly brought up here about the.... questionable tactics brought about by the feminist movement, absolutely proving what would (in court) be considered "fruit from the poisonous tree." I forget the title of the book but apparently it's actually a read book in college written by one of the feminists responsible for the current state of favoritism for women in which she confessed in the second chapter of said unremembered book that while performing studies her group went in with an agenda, they weren't professionals, the studies (which were done scientifically) proved their theories and agenda were incorrect, and they ignored many results and even individuals complaints against them amongst the studies participants, they tampered with their own evidence and omitted parts and they LIED in court about all of it. But their work has been responsible in large part for today's current divorce and child custody court system, battered women's shelters and planned parenthood centers which, on another video these centers have omitted many cases of sexual abuse against women by friends and family members in keeping with their anonymity standards with regards to abortion and it is possibly actually easier for abusers to have their way with young women and force them to get abortions and neither they nor the clinic will report it. While I agree with this speaker about the advancements for women being a good thing and pro equality and all that I'm definitely feeling that things need to be rehashed and many things scrapped in order to dump this favoritism brought about by this feminist group. I think it's called the deleuth system?

[@llo7816]

I notice the faster someone physically matures the slower the emotionally mature. I think it's mostly due to the ease at which people attain what they want is based on their attractiveness to their peers. So the easier u attain ur wants the longer it takes to develop emotional maturity. I've noticed dating internationally that women from difficult to live places are far more mature that the USA. Man, why does that woman talk so damn fast, is it a race? I think we should draft women into female infantry companies and send them into combat. The pay gap has been debunked for two decades. It's 9 hours a week LESS than men and have far less technical degrees.