Betrayed - Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth

[@Sephiroth08150]

If you want to know how little Barret thinks of Cait Sith at that moment, remember he basically has unlimited ammo. And he still says he is not worth the bullets. Ouch.

[@Redhead_20567]

Do you know how Barret gun arm works? Does he will it to happen? Because I see in this game he can stretch and it won’t go off or any other activity.

[@silence6813]

If Cait Sith took Marlene hostage like the original, Barret would go crazy

[@bob1986]

@@Redhead_20567 He has to flex his arm muscle in a certain deliberate way to fire it.

[@HeyItsFranklyn]

You know Barret was hurt the most… especially considering he snuggled with Cait😂

[@purboyoananda]

Tifa: If you dare to pulled the stunt like you did in Gold Saucer Cid: We gonna go to Shinra HQ find out who the fuck you are Barret: And drop you from the top floor like the sector 7 plate

[@ethansolorzano5989]

Vincent: I think they hate you….

[@ruintheday13]

@@ethansolorzano5989Mog: At least I’m being thought of.

[@foxywoxy0w068]

I'm about to drop some Wallace wisdom upon your ass, nothing in life should ever be stolen.

[@matthewperry8451]

Tifa: HE’S INSIDE THE MOOGLE! Cid: LET’S CUT HIM OPEN!

[@SuperPlaytendo]

@@matthewperry8451 Dibs on the organs

[@operandwriter]

Aerith: Oh right... forgot he's still loyal to Shinra at this point.

[@indedgames4359]

No she has fully forgoten everything from her future knewdlege . The begining of the game explains this ans part 1 also does. The whispers tock that away from her

[@siennaplayz3143]

@@indedgames4359yea the only thing she knows is how she’ll die and cloud will be the one to save everyone

[@loganthevillager9176]

Note: Cait Sith is being controlled by Reeve Tuesti, so of course he works for Shinra.

[@AlphazXG_]

Cait Sith was on his desk in a early cutscene but I guess a lot of ppl would of missed that

[@FeranNyan]

But he’s kinda sentient outside of being controlled by Reeve so🧑‍🦯

[@deathbykonami5487]

This is accurate, they never trusted Cait or Reeve fully after the final fight with Sephiroth in the original.

[@КонстантинПаршуков-о6б]

But they still did trust them both in Dirge of Cerberus. And Reeve never betrayed them.

[@deathbykonami5487]

@@КонстантинПаршуков-о6б I said fully, the trust was still there, but limited. It was until Reeve started the WRO that they saw him as more than just an ex-Shinra stooge.

[@TheDancerMacabre]

After Cait Sith busts them out of jail, Barrett considers him an Ally, but never lets him forget that he works for the enemy. That Reeves/Cait was part of the problem And that leads to Reeves standing up to Barrett and calling out his terrorists activities. I always feel that people forget that "Oh right, Barrett killed civilians!" While Reeves wanted to change things from the inside

[@PKLO9727]

@@TheDancerMacabreCaith isn’t wrong for calling out Barret. I was always on Tifa’s side of that part. But Caith didn’t have to go so far as to betray everyone after getting close to them like that. Both are dirty in a nasty way even if one is more than the other. Both were wrong is the point, no blame game type of shit for pettiness Tbh, I’m just getting into the lore of FF7 and I just passed the betray part and man. I kind of felt that too. I thought he was true good guy double agent but he for real betrayed them like that.

[@writer_man5318]

@@PKLO9727 At least his betrayal is for better reasons in Rebirth - he learned that any who enter the Temple never return so he'd rather that happen to Shinra than the party. He was trying to pull a "You can hate me all you want, please just live!" on the party. Unfortunately, the party is stubborn and a found a way to follow them. That's probably why Cait also never told them how to get to the Temple.

[@tetravega567]

Betrayal was obvious, dude's name is Cait *Sith* not Cait Jedi...

[@diegovargasdiego]

You got me

[@jamesdiato]

HAHAH got my ass with that comment

[@Flamelance_Accendo]

Not the Sith Lord... lol

[@a.h.j4289]

😂😂😂😂nice one bruv

[@SiM0n1755x]

Believe it or not, cait sith were a thing LONG before Star Wars coined the term, so... Also, it's pronounced "shee", not "sith".

[@generalMills222]

Seeing all them interact and be the team i envisioned when i was a kid, has me smiling in complete happiness that this exist

[@kriss007G]

They really nailed the family vibe with the gang

[@RealKyndleNance]

That’s what I looking forward to the most with this remake trilogy is the characters dynamic.

[@annakatharinasponagel4630]

100%❤

[@goatresx1799]

Can’t get over Yuffie being so salty as if she hasn’t seen a certain egg betrayal

[@illumina91]

shes the biggest piece of shit in final fantasy character History , fuck that annoying child , i have not played her once , she can rot to hell , shes in frog status since the very begining

[@Powerman77775]

In the OG story she betrays the party first

[@illumina91]

She is absolutely garbage and she can be lost with million of gorilla in gongaga i wouldnt care , and no this isnt a april fool joke , i really mean it

[@SrChr778]

Not to mention, her potential future betrayal of her own. Although I'd imagine the Wutai Arc will be dramatically different this time around. (Speculation) Wutai is secretly plotting something big, Yuffie being kept out of the loop (seeing how she's under the apparent strategical ignorance), perhaps Yuffie won't betray the party depending on your relationship level, and the big shock might be that the Wutai Interim Government is planning on betraying Wutai itself aka a possible coup d'etat. But that's all just speculation on my part.

[@WhiskyWyrm]

I can't for the life of me figure out what you meant by 'egg betrayal'. Could you please explain I'm really curious now lol

[@markeyiszra]

I can't believe,that our friends is a spy. (Not so long distance in a bar) Tifa : Callleeddd ittt....

[@cloudtheavegner1000]

I love how they refer to Red as Nanaki here after learning his name.

[@thetalltitan2235]

Seriously, if Cait didn't want the party shunning him and giving him the cold shoulder, he should've been honest with them from the start regardless of being "controlled" by Reeve Tueshi...

[@WillieManga]

Gotta hand it to em, Shinra did choose a pretty good spy; an animatronic Scottish kitty. At least this time he doesn't hold a young girl hostage.

[@Timothy1395]

He was bluffing anyways when he said that about Marlene I’m pretty sure.

[@PintheDog]

​@@Timothy1395 No, she was actually kidnapped then.

[@Timothy1395]

@@PintheDog Yeah but I don’t think they were actually going to do anything. They were just trying to scare him.

[@andrewramirez3998]

Yeah that made me hate him instantly, much better in this game

[@Stargazing_night_sky]

My question is what did cait THINK was gonna happen? He acts surprised that they reacted that way towards him

[@ryanziegler98]

I think Cait thought they would act harshly towards him, at least Barret, and maybe Cloud and Yuffie, but definitely not Aerith. Alas, he says that he expected this to happen, it just hurts because he was with the party long enough to feel like part of the family.

[@saylosrelyks8645]

Right, i was like what an idiot, betrays the party, doesn't explain why and is surprised when they walk away and then has the audacity to say they were friends, after literally betraying them

[@KanemiX3]

He knew that this was going to happen, in that same dialog. It's just that it he didn't expect it to sting him this much after he have grown so much with the cast

[@wolfslayer7526]

6:55 “For a moment there…it felt like we were friends” to them you were

[@CrystalTigerclaw]

Oh, yea. I forgot about Cait Sith being a double agent.

[@azazel166]

Then a triple agent, after Hojo hijacks the Sister Ray to help Sephiroth.

[@dcloud3791]

This game makes EVERYTHING epic. Even a game of catch

[@TheJaredPunch]

5:57 I love the tranquil fury in Barrett’s voice. 6:32 It also says a lot that Aerith, of all people, is upset with Cait. Just look at her eyes. 6:43 It hurts to see Aerith turn away in disgust like that.

[@HeyItsFranklyn]

After they snuggled and everything. Extreme betrayal.

[@thetalltitan2235]

It's one thing to have short-tempered characters like Barrett angry at and disgusted with you, but when bubbly, kind-hearted characters like Aeirth feel the same, you know you dun goofed. (So what if he was trying to protect them from the black materia's dangerous power? Lying and secretly throwing people under the bus is still lying and secretly throwing people under the bus)

[@cosmic_flan]

"They gonna turn this into a taking a crap a caith-sith day" Barret: "how bout we make it a week"

[@MRWINDYMETHANE]

2:43 Seriously, Aerith? What the hell were you doing? You could've caught him! 🤦

[@darkman7009]

typical anime dramatic. no surprise

[@deadzone4033]

"Crap!"

[@himmy.]

She had one job

[@Ransell666]

In OG game he actually has had blackmailed them into working with him after reveal by taking Marlene as a hostage in Midgar, but here they pretty much tammed this up maybe it was too dark and people this day would have problem in roooting for him later and accept his redemption arc idk not sure if i don't like it tho, personally it was weird to me having him around after that in OG

[@Charliestrife01]

A lot of weird stuff happens in the og tbh that you can get away with with the ps1 graphics. Imagine Marlene being kidnapped now with how much more realistic the game is barret would literally murder cait 😂

[@writer_man5318]

@@Charliestrife01 It's also super out of character for Reeve.

[@SaiyanGamer95]

They did want to play up the fact that Reeve was pretty much the only good person in Shinra. It was to make him more consistent. Like with Tseng slapping Aerith in the original game, when canonically, he befriended Aerith had is implied to have feelings for her. Reeve was basically the only good person in Shinra, as he actively wanted to help the people. But him threatening Marlene wouldn't for with someone of better moral fiber like Reeve.

[@SaiyanGamer95]

@@Charliestrife01 Yeah, but what would murdering Cait accomplish? Cait is literally a toy, and one that can easily be replaced. It's not like they knew who was controlling Cait at the time.

[@KanemiX3]

​@Charliestrife01 it's very true, the fan gave the OG too much prop and forgot a lot of problematic plot. The remake actually tone it just at the right point.

[@reflex_1019]

this is something that always bothered me when these betrayals happen: - betrays their party for enemy - refuses to elaborate why they did when the enemy already left - gets confused/sad on why the party is upset with them

[@dinorex3464]

This was actually the english localization's fault, they changed some of the dialogues and ended up making the meaning harder to understand. In the japanese version it's made very clear that Cait Sith is not confused because the party is upset, but rather that deep down a part of him grew very attached to them. So his final line is something among the lines of "Damn, in the end I really liked you all...", which makes sense considering his character. He knew it had to end this way and yet he grew attached to them and still felt bad.

[@Julian-nu4bx]

Cait Sith/Reeve was always one of the most interesting characters in the original IMO, but i felt he was a bit underused. I'm glad he got a bit more screentime in Rebirth, or at least it felt like. Haven't had time to get through the game yet, just seen some clips on youtube so far. There was a moment in the original that I thought was really great, when Cait Sith and Barret are having an argument aboard the Highwind, Barret is calling out Reeve for being a Shinra stooge and Cait Sith is like "bro, you were literally a terrorist". Ultimately Reeve is one of the only guys in Shinra with a moral compass, and he's just trying to do what he thinks is right in the position he's in. He's still there to help the party in the end, so he does care about doing what's right. He comes from a different realm of experience than everyone else in the party, so he approaches things in a different way. He's probably the most "law abiding citizen" out of all the main characters, so when the rest of the party is stacked with mercenaries, eco-terrorists, ninjas, edgy coffin dwellers, and disgruntled pilots, he brings a refreshing perspective to the game. Everyone always remembers the main characters like Cloud, Sephiroth, Aerith and Tifa, so Reeve has always been underrated IMO. One of my favorite characters out of the whole cast of characters from FFVII. I don't think I cared all that much for him the first time I played the game many years ago, but I eventually appreciated him a lot more on subsequent replays over the years.

[@firetools]

As someone who never got to play og FF7 when it came out, the lower half of your comment brings up a good point about character focus. From my perspective I only knew of FF7 through the frequent appearances and cameos of Cloud, Sephiroth, Aerith, and Tifa. These new games however have brought these other characters to the spotlight and shows me how interesting the rest of FF7's cast are.

[@shizachan8421]

I think Reeve is really kind of the Everyman character of the party. He is in an influencial position at Shinra, but compared to the rest of the Execs and especially Rufus, he is just some regular office worker who has to fight through his robotic cat.

[@1Up2081]

Darn. Was hoping that Shinra was twisting his arm to do it this time.

[@TheDancerMacabre]

At least he didn't kidnap Marlene this time around

[@baxtronic]

Actually, according to Cait, it wasn't out of loyalty to Shinra, but care and fear for his friends. According to legends and Shinra reports, the Cetra Temple was hyper-lethal--as proven by experience. He thought that if anyone had to die to that meatgrinder, better it be Shinra than the people he cared about.

[@complexityinc.5167]

Watching on 2x speed makes it feel like a slap stick cartoon

[@eigelgregossweisse9563]

Turns out it would've been better for Shinra to have the black materia or at least someone else not Cloud.

[@resolvedfate1295]

Well ya, at this point he is still being controlled by Seph. He don’t have his memories yet. Where he can’t be manipulated anymore.

[@hussamkj403]

Yeah, but knowing Scarlet and Hiedegar, they would have weaponized it to an equal world threatening weapon.

[@torshec8634]

As The Spoony One once said "BETRAYAL! BETRAYED ME! BETRAYAL!"

[@17jacoyne]

with the ff7 remake getting the hobbit movie treatment i REALLY hope this game will give us a cutscene where the party meets cait sith's master reeve and learn that he is secretly on their side despite working for shinra.....something we never got in the OG final fantasy 7 and to this day i'm still annoyed by it!

[@MASJYT]

6:13 - Barret no! please. No what?!? It's just a toy woman.

[@writer_man5318]

A toy they don't fully understand. For all they know, Cait is "unique". Another Cait could have his memories but not personality. They don't know if he's a puppet being controlled by a remote control or a full AI that thinks and feels itself. They did, after all, see one robotic character gain full sentience already - Chadley.

[@MariusBoss11458]

​@@writer_man5318That's very true.

[@Timothy1395]

They don’t know what he is at the time tbf.

[@jasonborne238]

​@writer_man5318 Charley is SPOILERS: a cyborg tho not an ai robot his real body is back in hojos lab

[@corjonbett]

Cait already told them he's just a puppet, but he lied about who was controlling him... Sort of. Given Reeve's unimportance, he really COULD be described as "Just another SHINRA paper pusher"@@writer_man5318

[@samflood5631]

6:27-Says the Ninja who’s been stealing Materia from the gang and using them and Cloud’s team for her own benefits.

[@JohnGonzalez-pj8oi]

Why is Cait sad been so betrayed by the cloud and the others

[@jahirgalvan5873]

I love the new Cait Sith portrayal 😍

[@ginnielacy170]

7:53

[@echidnaralsei1473]

Wait, but I wanna hug the big strong man!! 😢

[@dinorex3464]

Still have to understand why the hell they changed Cait's _"Cloud..."_ with _"Not you too..."._ They made it feel like Caith Sith genuinely didn't understand why they were pissed, while the point is supposed to be that he perfectly knew from the start that it would have ended this way and yet he ended up genuinely liking the others.

[@fantasyfox965]

This scene almost made me cry 😢

[@Luc42]

This is the thing: I was always a little suspicious of Cait Sith. I think it's after the Mako Reactor in Gongaga that Barrett stops being suspicious and I kinda forgot about it. That is, until I noticed that while you can improve your relationship with Tifa, Barrett, Aerith, Red XIII/Namaki, and Yuffie, the same cannot be said for Cait Sith. You can't have an optional conversation with him. Instead of the gray/green/blue face, he has a black cat logo. I'm not really that surprised to be honest. But even then, it still kinda hurts.

[@PKLO9727]

Man, I thought Caith was an actual decent person too until the betrayal. I felt the same way as the group. I get the cause, but it should’ve been done that way. Just like how extreme Barret was with the bombs (I sided with Tifa).

[@writer_man5318]

He is a decent person. He learned that anyone who enters the Temple dies so he gave the Keystone to Shinra and kept the location a secret so that the party wouldn't be able to get there as he'd rather Shinra die than his friends. Unfortunately, we recruited a former Turk.

[@corjonbett]

They never hide the fact that Cait is a SHINRA spy. Why they're surprised kinda perplexes me. They're constantly making references to the fact, and Cait even CONFIRMS it at one point. (Before a lame "just kidding!" moment straight after)

[@corjonbett]

No, he was literally just following orders this time. Giving it to SHINRA would also be the same, if not worse, than giving it directly to Sephiroth. Hojo, Scarlet, Heidegger, any of them would make use of it. For war, for fun, or for science. Plus,, they all would just send some expendable grunt in to take the trap while they escaped in some super mech.@@writer_man5318

[@dinorex3464]

@@corjonbett As far as they knew, Cait was just an entertainer working for Shinra in the Gold Saucer. Nobody knew he was a spy until this moment.

[@Phantom_ink64]

7:50 what’s with red’s voice? Didn’t it used to sound deeper?

[@dinorex3464]

After the party reaches Cosmo Canyon it is revealed that Red XIII (whose real name is Nanaki) was actually faking that harsh voice to hide his true identity and personality. Once he returns home, he drops the act and reveals he's actually pretty much a kid (despite being the oldest of the party, in his species' age he is 16), and even after choosing to stay with them he keeps his normal voice and stops acting. Even in the original japanese version he completely changed his manner of speaking after Cosmo Canyon, so I guess this is a nod to that.

[@silence6813]

Im suprised Cait Sith his have Marlene hostage like the original

[@joelmichaelviado1226]

okay, the answer is probably obvious but whats up with 13’s voice?

[@DNeoTH]

So, the original game didn't have voice acting right? But this what he always is, he been putting up tough adult but really? He only a teenager! 16 or so (40's but he ages slowly)

[@Zaxares]

It's explained after you reach Cosmo Canyon. Mild spoilers below... The higher-pitched voice is Nanaki's REAL voice. Throughout Part 1 he was basically deliberately lowering his voice because he knew his real voice made him sound younger and like a kid. He wanted Cloud and the others to treat him like an equal and a warrior rather than some kid they had to look after. (And then they recruited Yuffie anyway, so shows what he knew. ;P)

[@writer_man5318]

@@Zaxares They do start treating him more like a kid though. He even complains about it during the Nibel Protorelic quest where he's like "I should have never dropped the wizened old man shtick."

[@SaiyanGamer95]

@@Zaxares Well, it was more like he didn't want them to treat him like some animal.

[@SaiyanGamer95]

@@DNeoTH Well, this is what he's like in the new continuity. He did talk in Advent Children (albeit only having one line) and still had the deep voice. And it's not that he ages slowly, but that his species lives for a very long time. As shown in the original game, the final scene takes place, like, 500 years in the future and you see Red with his two kids.

[@aleonne2148]

yuffie getting mad at his betrayal lol

[@yssunjoko]

I dunno, there should be an event in Rebirth when the party goes to Wutai and there Yuffie also betrays the party by stealing their materia.

[@mattymatthew9225]

I don’t know about it but I think caith actually cares about the group as he spoke to cloud before that those who go in the temple never come out and he doesn’t want that happen to either of them. Even though in the original Marlene was taken hostage which is extreme, here caith just wants better for the group despite the black matria is in better hand with the avalanche

[@ofcourse23]

Yuffie acting like she's not about to betray them......again.

[@lilmamagc]

they should have never let him come back. everything bad that happened is his fault.

[@killer92173]

Cait Sith's betrayal in the original was WAY worse because he took Marlene hostage in the original. Barrett would've lost his mind if Cait did that!!

[@dinorex3464]

I like this version the most, honestly. Kidnapping a child was out of character for Reeve, especially given his new expanded role.

[@kamijoudazai3010]

This scene is truly hard, you've never imagine Cait Sith expressing anguish but it hurted him real bad. I think he really meant "It's not what it looks like." P.S. Haven't watched anything after this scene. So idk.

[@scarletrobin1311]

why this story different?

[@jimmyle320]

The sound mixing is shockingly bad, or just me? The dialogue gets overpowered consistently by the BGM.

[@FazFaz]

No you’re right

[@Amitlu]

@@FazFaz You can adjust the levels.

[@Telyurna]

Prefer the og take wjen cait just have every planned and still stick with the party and make Cloud pretend nothing happened, all calculated.

[@mohammednosair1091]

I felt for caith in this scene it was done right ,the game got alot of emotions this time

[@djtiger7729]

Why did he do that

[@the_well-known_stranger2275]

Cait Sith is really a robot cat controlled by a member of Shinra. He joins their side fully later

[@myau9912]

He didnt want Cloud to go to a place thats rumored to be extremely deadly.

[@Esponer]

He had no choice. It was in the script.

[@Timothy1395]

You’ll figure it out eventually next game. All I’ll say is if you look closely in some cutscene with a certain someone you’ll get hints to something.

[@Timothy1395]

@IamtheMan1111True lol.

[@ultima_mello96]

He’s still pathetic

[@d6rkOfHate]

Fr

[@吗4啊16]

i HATE ABAH KROMOOOO

[@Zookstar]

This is what the Judas spirit does. Jesus was betrayed by Judas to be crucified. When Jesus knows that Judas will betray Him, He says “Whatever you’re about to do, do quickly”.

[@justahuman9273]

I like you comparison but it is so random

[@noctstrife]

Lmao

[@jiraiya0698]

Why cid and Vincent are not playable. Makes no sense!

[@OfficialDjTalksick]

They join the story pretty late like chapter 12 late lol

[@writer_man5318]

They aren't in the story long enough to make them worth it and probably because it made development easier.

[@PlaystationGamerZX]

Same reason why red not playable on remake, story is not long enough for them to enjoy them enough,

[@ladyrhea444]

Don’t worry they’ll probably be playable in part 3 and I think they will also get a lot of spotlight too like how yuffie and cait did this game.

[@CMMalvado]

I can easily see Vincent getting a DLC like Yuffie did in the Remake.