Matter is frozen light. A conversation with Rupert Sheldrake & Mark Vernon

The everyday stuff called matter turns out to be both more fascinating and stranger than we usually assume. In this episode of the Sheldrake-Vernon Dialogues, Rupert Sheldrake and Mark Vernon ask just matter is, beginning with contemporary ideas from quantum physics, in which matter is frozen light, as the physicist David Bohm put it.
They consider the relationship between matter and gravity, as well as matter and ancient notions of potentiality, which turn out to be surprising relevant today.
The differences between quantity and quality offer another conversational thread, with the discussion also drawing in wider questions, such as the nature of matter within the philosophy of panpsychism, and also the etymological links between matter and mater, or mother, revealing factors about material of which most are unconscious today.
For more conversations between Rupert and Mark see
www.sheldrake.org/audios/shel...
www.markvernon.com/talks

[@scottpitner4298]

Some think light isn’t important but Light does Matter

[@quantumpotential7639]

Light only matters because of the darkness. Now let us pray 🙏 for mo. Mo mo light. Mo no mo. MO!!!! Thanks 😊

[@kidq2230]

​@@quantumpotential7639 Darkness is formless, nothing at all.. and its existence is acknowledged solely because of Light.... Give thanks, nyctophile

[@Unfamous_Buddha]

@@quantumpotential7639- You can't have light without dark.☯

[@TheDalaiLamaCon]

Black Light Matters

[@spocker22]

Lol nice pun

[@SolidSiren]

"All matter is a condensation of light into patterns moving back and forth at average speeds which are less than the speed of light. You could say that when we come to light we are coming to the fundamental activity in which existence has its ground, or at least coming close to it.’ -Bohm

[@thevet2009]

If matter is frozen light, then a black hole is frozen time. Jolly good show.

[@brentabel724]

The plane of resting. Infinite potential

[@MohammedSadeySalmi-cl5gj]

There is no such thing as a black hole. NASA is lying to you.

[@user-pi2hc6hd4c]

Frozen time. I like that

[@grantbishop1961]

And when you go beyond light and matter, it's all just a thought form emination from the One Mind.

[@philipstead5125]

Black holes are mathematical fabrications

[@lauravillanueva2175]

Very Particular. What a conversation for the Age. Appropriate and Timely. Brilliant.🎉

[@DanielEngsvang]

Well said!🙂

[@curtisscott9251]

I think the most important point being made in this discussion, inadvertently by the way, is the necessity of having precise language. And I think that observation would bear out the fact that the language needs to be much more precise then exists in conversation, which is why, ultimately, we lean on mathematics. "Unfortunately, nobody can be told what the matrix is; - They have to see it for themselves. " - Morpheous

[@EricYoungArt]

This was fantastic! I love the breakdown of Matter as Mother and the symbolic analysis of our current world. Beautifully poetic and enlightening on many levels.

[@michel-jeantailleur]

Also interesting to think about the connection between 'pattern' (as in archetype or ideal form) and 'pater' - father.

[@lynnhall9957]

Pater & Mater. ❤❤ Just thoughts here. As a Christian, I cannot help but think of the Divine Conception-- Holy Spirit & Mary = DNA entangling in conception of 3rd person. A being both Human & Divine~ manifesting in a new form and type of human being which we can conciously engage.

[@geraldnelson5212]

Immortality

[@johnkelly7757]

​@@lynnhall9957an eternal golden braid.

[@SteveVanWinkle]

I'd give you 1 million dollars if you could explain anything they are saying. None of this is scientific. They repeat terms from science and concepts but do not explain anything. Breaking down words and numbers meaning is useless mumbojumbo. Taking meaning to this verbal diarrhea from both of these idiots is like taking advice from an AI chatbot. Sounds like a real conversation but is just nonsense unless you apply your own personal meaning to it.

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

read the article, "Light is Heavy" by Nobel physicist Gerard 't Hooft and Martin van der Mark - matter is indeed light!! Great David Bohm quote. I've been corresponded with Bohm's collaborator Basil J. Hiley. Professor Hiley emphasizes noncommutativity as the secret of reality. I recommend you study noncommutativity. thanks

[@0.618-0]

I'm sorry, but I couldn't find any information about an article titled "Light is Heavy" authored by Martin van de Mark and Gerard 't Hooft. It's possible that this article may be from a specialized or niche publication, or it may not be widely available online. If you have more context or details about this article, such as where it was published or when it was written.

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

@@0.618-0 It's on arxiv - which is the "preprint" for science academic articles (Unless your Nobel Physicist Brian Josephson who get rejected by arxiv - meaning arxiv is still closed-minded. hahaha). Physics > History and Philosophy of Physics [Submitted on 26 Aug 2015] Light is Heavy M.B. van der Mark, G.W. 't Hooft Einstein's relativity theory appears to be very accurate, but at times equally puzzling. On the one hand, electromagnetic radiation must have zero rest mass in order to propagate at the speed of light, but on the other hand, since it definitely carries momentum and energy, it has non-zero inertial mass. Hence, by the principle of equivalence, it must have non-zero gravitational mass, and so, light must be heavy. In this paper, no new results will be derived, but a possibly surprising perspective on the above paradox is given.

[@NishanthSalahudeen]

​@@0.618-0i did a quick search and first result came from arxiv. You didnt search right. Copy this and google.... "gerard hooft light heavy"

[@Spartanxxzachxx]

Google again bc it was the first thing that pops up when you search "light is heavy" it's by mb van der mark and GW t hooft

[@redzzon]

@@0.618-0 no response after four days for link to article. Did the light escape him?

[@YiOughta]

Einstein described what we call matter as energy, whose vibration has lowered enough to be perceptible, by us. I agree. There are likely many more forms we know nothing about.

[@YannikaLuvAI]

Yeah I always think about that when I see the word "matter". I've been trying to find more on that, but without the esoteric stuff that ppl have been adding to it. I'm not against esoteric ideas, but I'm a science person, that's all.

[@YiOughta]

@@YannikaLuvAI in terms of things like the Dougherty set and magnetohydrodynamics, it's all about vibration, harmonics and balance. We are just scratching the surface imo.

[@YannikaLuvAI]

@@YiOughta Yes, and it makes sense, since not too long ago looking to the world through the lens of science and reason was considered heresy and punishable by death. And it's mesmerizing how much we've learned and evolved since we started the transition to a more scientific approach. "Science! It works, bitches!".

[@taaskeprins]

"Us" being yet another form of matter with lowered vibration so us are perceptible by us. What does perceptible mean in this context?

[@YiOughta]

@@taaskeprins we have, since early times, based our entire understanding of things on photons and light is simply an expression of energy. That's our perception in a nutshell.

[@kyzercube]

I think the term " frozen light " is misleading. A more appropriate term would be " bound energy ".

[@kyzercube]

@@antpoo The reason it's referred to as bound energy is because 99+% of all the mass in protons and really 100% of the mass of electrons ( their interaction with the Higgs Field forcing them to change direction back and forth along their paths ) is due to inertia... the forcing of these fundamental particles ( referring to quarks in the case of protons ) to change direction, as a result, binding them to a general area IS what gives them their mass. The idea of light being " frozen " gives the implication of absolute zero which is why I don't like it.

[@antpoo]

@@kyzercube your not taking the term ‘frozen’ literally are you? Metaphorically it makes sense to us laymen.

[@kyzercube]

@@antpoo Yeah I know. It is a type of bridge to give some idea to anyone that doesn't spend a lot of time on the subject. I'll admit I also kind of cringe when the concept of the Higgs Field is made analogous to " molasses " lol Sometimes I just gotta take a step back and chill.

[@antpoo]

@@kyzercube I’m the same with economics and our financial system, so deep into it that hearing how it’s expressed to laymen makes me cringe.

[@geoffgjof]

Agreed. Perhaps solid objects are just the result of something similar to surface tension, but with exponentially more strength to repel and happening consistently throughout an object.

[@bronsonstone725]

Splendid conversation. I was relaxing, having a cup of tea and listening when it made me laugh (not hysterically) to think you are embarking on eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge.

[@enkilm]

I am composed of frozen light, what a beautiful thought!

[@GrantStinnett]

I absolutely love this conversation. Beautiful. Both of you, your ideas, and how you present them so gracefully.

[@drewtheceo9024]

Absolutely intriguing content. I have never heard it called in such a manner. Frozen light! It is beautiful in its simplicity.

[@AquariusGate]

Im no scientist but i can figure this about quantity; the more tightly we define the movement and action of something, the less potential that expression carries. Quantity seems an ingredient of thought, a weight our mind puts on the detail. What quantity is being quantified, if not uncertainty? Quality is a different thing altogether, we can discover and learn the nature of influences and significances playing important roles in our day to day. Matter is an idea that made motion easier to interpret. Materialism is now the obstacle of progress. We are energy reflecting on light and darkness. What any scientists miss peering into stuff, and how the intelligent world is misled is seeing information come from things. Information is created in connections, where observation meets features of consideration.

[@nealnorman5961]

😊

[@user-oi6wi2di2z]

Finally... Good job fellas😊

[@ryanmercer600]

Rupert is insightful and truly educated

[@auriuman78]

I kinda feel like we took a wrong turn at the atom vs Leibniz's monad fork in the road, though we have learned a great deal traveling the atomic road. I feel like once we realized atoms were divisible then we should have gone back to the infinitely divisible monad (which, by the way, you brought up the soul atoms 😊 and philosophically the monad fits quite well that particle). What are your thoughts, on monads? I mean Leibniz was a pretty smart guy. We still use his calculus notations. I am referring to Leibniz's monad for this question, though i believe Plato's formulation is one in the same just more primitive.

[@elywananda]

Wow, I did not except this convo to ebb and flow like this. Perfect for a long late night drive home on my own!

[@ColinPaddock]

I appreciate that you keep the name labels up on the screen. It’s not as big a deal here, with two talking heads, but I’ve seen some documentaries where they introduce each of about 30 speakers, once, and then flip between them with no further introduction. I’m autistic enough that differentiating between multiple mild-looking middle aged guys in suits can be a real challenge.

[@kiegal4499]

Enlightening. Thank you.

[@xGREENxWOMANx]

love this conversation! you’re expanding my mind 💚

[@krisduffin5182]

This reminds me of the theory of “microvita” developed by P.R. Sarkar, the Renaissance spiritual teacher. Microvita are subtle matter that is smaller and more fundamental than quantum or string theory describes. There are lots of KZbin videos about microvita.

[@quantumpotential7639]

Remember Vitavitavegamin? What a great health product. 💪

[@nigelwilliams7920]

Great interview - thanks. Rupert, firstly thank you for your pragmatic presentation, it is great to hear you touching on deeper issues beyond just the 'mechanics' of matter and mass. If I may paraphrase; around 3:50 in this video you intimated... "Mass of matter has two aspects: Inertial mass that binds it to a state of motion and a place, The Broglie equation tells us that the frequency of a masses vibration is proportional to the mass involved, the faster it vibrates i.e. the more mass it has then the more it is tied to its place. And the gravitational effect relating to mass where all matter is interconnected throughout the universe, so a particle of matter has to know where it is and how much of it there is so that it can react to the other masses appropriately. Its much much more mysterious than just little billiard balls trundling around" "...it has to know where it is..." Indeed. That is a fundamental issue with our current view of the 'subatomic' world. Researchers tell us that various particles behave in certain defined ways; electrons repel each other, but are attracted to protons etc etc. My base-line query is: how does an electron 'know' that it has to act that way? As an occasional builder of small robots, I can quickly appreciate the systems needed by the electron and all other particles. These include: a) a sense of 'self' and knowledge of the properties of itself. (I'm an electron and I have a negative charge and a mass of so many ev, a spin to the left and I fear I may have left a heater on in my bedroom!). b) a navigation system which tells it where it is, and its current position and velocity in relation to the universe. c) a sensor suite which is able to detect the position, velocity and identity of every other particle in the total actual universe - not just our 'observable universe' (all quite straightforward stuff, provided one has enough RAM). Indeed, since the influences on our electron can legitimately extend beyond any arbitrary boundaries of 'our' universe, the sensors need to detect 'everything there is', just 'everything', not just 'our universe'. d) a look up table which defines the properties of those particles near and far and provides instructions on how our electron must respond to the influences of those particles (another electron close by: move away at a certain acceleration and direction. A massive galaxy 50 megaparsecs away - say the local Great Attractor - then swing on by, etc). e) a calculating engine which can combine all the influences of every particle in the actual universe upon our electron to provide a singular direction and speed instruction, and to provide control outputs at a rate that is appropriate to the electrons' situation. A sub-Plank-Time control loop frequency would seem to be necessary to sustain an orbit around a nucleus with reasonable fidelity, and to avoid unfortunate collisions with other nearby particles. f) a means of propulsion which enables the electron to move in the required directions and velocities. g) an energy source to sustain the 'self'; to power the sensor suite and motion system; and to run the on-board compute required to operate the entire electron unit, in perpetuity, of course. I am perturbed when I hear researchers say that a particular particle or even a tangible mass like Newton's apple behaves in a certain way; my reflex question is always: how does it know that it should do that, and how does it do it? An electron-robot is a very complex and wonderful thing, with almost every necessary attribute as yet undiscovered. Thanks again. We would appreciate you comments!!

[@hooked4215]

The magic of KZbin is that even a pair of old crackpoters can spread out in the internet.

[@meltingintoair7581]

The materialist empiricist paradigm has failed. You cannot get mind from non mind. So science denies that mind exists. But that’s obviously false because the one thing we know for sure is that we think, therefore we have minds. Surely the non physical nature of photons points to the mental nature of photons. But none of this examination is possible under the materialist paradigm. Instead, a backwards denial of the mind is undertaken and all instances of zero and infinity being solutions to quantum mechanical equations are airbrushed out of academia. Because zero and infinity are the numbers of the mind but we are forced to pretend that mind doesn’t exist.

[@chuckcantillon4764]

Old crack potters vs. new un damaged vessels? Or just younger and still cracked? Like our species hasn't the hardware to observe the big picture? We re Like a dog learning algebra?

[@meltingintoair7581]

The magic of the 21st century is that thinking free willed minds can be fully convinced that they are not thinking free willed minds and instead mere robots.

[@PaulHere1953]

The unfortunate thing about KZbin is that some fart of a person can put his twopence worth in and call them ‘old crackpoters’. I tend to think that the vocabulary you have used belongs to a complete fart, perhaps more to that of an arsehole?

[@user-uj7zm1ng5t]

I feel encouraged.

[@wayneenosjr4747]

Wow what a deep dive into the basic building blocks of all we are and everything everywhere in our Universe! 😀

[@Owen_Barfield]

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

[@sybentley6675]

This title grabbed my attention. Because of course it is.

[@TEKANNON-bz9fm]

It sounds so beautiful, matter is frozen light, Goethe said music was frozen architecture if I remember it right. Rupert and Mark, you are obviously masters of the mind in many ways, but I cannot help wishing that I could see what the end of this century is going to look like.

[@marklmansfield]

architecture was frozen music❔❔

[@TEKANNON-bz9fm]

@@marklmansfield GGGGGGreat to hear from you. I believe that is the quote I read from Geothe. Architecture is frozen music is how I recall it, but I've been wrong on quotes most of my life...

[@alanevery215]

At the end of a concert everyone in the audience disappears! I'm not convinced, I think they actually just go home !

[@marklmansfield]

@@alanevery215 😄

[@MrDayinthepark]

You know you're listening to a very smart person, when he says "there's so much we still don't know".

[@ColinPaddock]

I’m not smart, but as I’ve been educated I’ve made that observation. The more you know, the more you’re aware of how much you don’t know.

[@Jfonner09]

I’m going out of my way to try to communicate this concept to my young children as they learn. Anyone who claims to know all there is to know on any topic is highly suspect. The joy of learning, of existing, is found in the questions we pursue.

[@theSimulist]

Not really, you have to be pretty dumb to think otherwise.

[@notvadersson]

I recall the idea of “crystallization” in understanding the images served on a “high definition” television screen for mass consumption. So this idea of “froze light” has connotations of hard or immobile: inanimate; yet it has somehow captured something of the animate spirit: light. I am reminded of Barfield’s essay The Harp & The Camera where he suggests the evolution from the premodern to modern modes of perception by metaphor. I am also reminded of George MacDonalds essays on the imagination in which he talks about the light within all incarnate nature & the Father of Lights.

[@notvadersson]

@@laserhobbyist9751 I can’t call it. Where is freedom found? Perhaps it’s in the dynamic alternation between unity & multiplicity. Is incarnation an imprisonment to finitude? Maybe. Or maybe it’s some kind of freedom to individuate? I just have lots of questions.

[@chuckcantillon4764]

Wind among many other contributions transfer the promiscuous energy into ocean water, when waves crash on the sand, you feel the energy escaping, body surfing or getting pinned to the bottom , the energy leaves the water, so the light energy is trapped in matter? Or temporarily being promiscuous as matter , until when?

[@chuckcantillon4764]

Fine structure constant is a number with no units attached to it? Every other number seems to have units of time or distance. How is the FSC different?

[@chuckcantillon4764]

God is the tiny spark of energy in everything, quantum God? , that works

[@fluidsystems1554]

love the metaphor 'matter is frozen light ' Connective/fascial tissue has similar properties. resulting in restriction/viscosity of blood flow into nooks and cranny's. manual therapy like Osteopathy releases this 'frozenlight'

[@CPHSDC]

Osteopathy? Have you seen the light?

[@peterfrance702]

Lovely. That is the first time I've heard anyone espouse the idea that direction is somehow fundamentally embedded in matter. I had the notion that direction might be embedded in the spacetime field or whatever it is that planets and stars float about in, but I prefer Rupert's approach.

[@WildLifePrime]

Space has no properties

[@greenspiral2955]

Love Rupert Sheldrake. And I stumbled over my expectation to hear the words: Walter Russel.

[@paulpaul5265]

Excellent, loved it

[@writerofunimportantthings]

This is fascinating

[@bradwang7436]

Spot on

[@scottjones-singersongwrite6193]

This is fascinating. Like a magic carpet ride!

[@colingallagher1648]

Frozen light or hardened high energy light has always been a very sublime way to describe matter

[@encounteringthetrinity]

Brilliant, per usual! I especially ppreciated the allusion to the work of DBHart. Thought this point might have been beneficially expanded a bit to include Mark's review of Aristotle's 4 causes. I take the thrust of DBH's philosophy of science and mind to be that the conflation of formal and final causality into material causality accounts for the mechanized worldview in which we are now philosophically imprisoned. I wonder if Rupert's quest for morphic fields is not at bottom a bid to resurrect final causality?

[@jacqloock]

Which is to say standing waves in quantum foam or whatever multidimensional medium in which transitory waves are observed as photons.

[@countdowntomidnight692]

I am no physicist so forgive my intellectual wantedness for the simplicity of this question. What is light made of? I have heard it sometimes behaves as a particle and sometimes a wave. I do not fully understand what a wave means in this context (for example: what exactly is making the motion of a wave when applied to the behavioral attributes of light). I have also wondered if we have ever viewed a photon, every video and photo I see is CGI so I have always been curious to know if we have an actual view of the structure of this quantum realm and the properties that make it up.

[@fast_harmonic_psychedelic]

exactly! - its light moving at C - but in a stacked spinning loop. its moving just as fast as it always does - but its linear velocity converted into angular velocity, it wraps around itself and creates the appearance of a large particle. an electron is a photon running laps around itsef. all particles are composed of photons of stacked spins. Photons dont have mass because they *are* mass.

[@garybridges9482]

Aye, that was smashing!😉🤯😎much love Gary from glasgow

[@queentoe]

"Are our everyday assumptions wrong? Should we be experiencing the universe differently?" Great questions! Yes!!!

[@patrickbureau1402]

Thx Teacherz - btw Couzinz - " the steam gages & governers" of the Victoria Era ushered in the dawn Cybernetic revolution What iz your FitWatch telling you to next & how is your heart rate !🇨🇦

[@SolidSiren]

While I love Bohm and deBroglie both, the analogy that matter is "frozen light" is a poor one that falls apart rather quickly, even though we don't know nearly as much about the universe as we think we do

[@byGDur]

4:30 afaik gravity spreads out (deforms spacetime) like a ripple effect going the speed of light. So the mass can be at a different place and the other mass still gets the effect of the mass at the old position. An example is that if the sun would disappear suddenly, earth would still Orbit it for the 8 minutes it takes the effect of gravity to travel. Only then the earth would travel in a streight line.

[@taaskeprins]

Thats always an interesting thought experiment 🙂. What do you think of this: imagine an electricity cable from sun to earth, the sun delivering the energy for a light to be lit on earth. What happens when the sun disappears. Will the circuit be broken instantly hence no energy will travel down the cable, or will the light on earth stil be lit for another 8 minutes?

[@fredcunningham9753]

Great pod

[@adamkendall997]

I had the thought that matter is just condensed light. Like the condensation on the bathroom mirror after a hot shower. The speed of light is the "dew point" of the universe and just like the dew point of the atmosphere, if you pass the saturation point, you get water condensation.

[@WhovianDave438]

Mystics have always said everything is energy resonating at differing frequencies.

[@user-dv5sn2xv2y]

Thank you for explanation. Electron receive more energy and become photon. Many people say photon is quanta. But they don't talk about the procedure of electron change to photon with proton.

[@TheSietch]

LOL!- that You are in a serious manner making such an utterly funny analogy is just fascinating! It’s entertaining - but the only meaning it conveys is the fact that *any* content can and will resonate with somebody out there in the many corners of the digital space.

[@ghostfifth]

I think this is beyond your minds comprehension

[@jamesmonoghan1281]

Brilliant!

[@ppetal1]

A great idea, but he's making it up. Pure Art.

[@andycordy5190]

Quantity, just like time is a human construct. Very important, obviously. We have names for sub atomic particles and a complex set of particles and anti particles but this 'field' in which particles spin and waves oscillate is spoken of as a matter of fact, so it must be where matter is but not necessarily where it is not. We are told that random fluctuations can be detected in a vacuum demonstrating that quanta can spontaneous appear and disappear in a void and of course photons can pass through it.

[@TheTruthIgnored]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:27 *🌌 Matter, historically, is viewed in different ways, now seen as vibratory processes in quantum theory.* 02:05 *🌀 Light energy can be trapped in matter, leading to the idea of matter being localized in place.* 03:26 *⚖️ Mass has two aspects: inertial mass (binding matter to a place or state of motion) and gravitational mass.* 05:10 *🔬 The Higgs boson particle is believed to link massive objects to an underlying field, explaining inertial mass.* 08:36 *💧 Matter exists in various states beyond solid, including liquid, gas, and plasma, each with different properties.* 10:27 *⚛️ Energy and fields are seen as underlying principles in physical reality, shaping matter in different forms.* 17:23 *🧱 Matter and form are interconnected in various levels, with form giving structure to the underlying matter.* 21:58 *🔢 Quantities have a historical and cultural context, with different ways of perceiving numbers and measurements.* 27:15 *❤️ Attraction and repulsion are fundamental in matter due to the interaction of protons and electrons, reflecting basic emotional patterns.* 29:26 *🔮 Materialism can be viewed as an unconscious cult of the "great mother," representing a rebellion against earlier mechanistic views.* 30:36 *🌌 Gravitational attraction can be seen as a final cause within matter, drawing everything together, reflecting a purposeful aspect of the universe.* 33:43 *🔭 Physics introduces the concept of dark matter, highlighting the mysterious and unknown aspects within the universe.* 37:32 *🤔 Matter remains more mysterious than we perceive, with ongoing changes in cosmology, panpsychism, and the understanding of the Big Bang origin story.* Made with HARPA AI

[@user-qc6qw8mm1w]

a gamma ray Photon caught in a loop (chasing its tail) to create a particle (mater). Two gamma rays hitting will create electron and a positron, Look at what happens to a gamma ray when it comes close to a nucleus of an atom, It turns into an electron or a positron. this shows the inside forces (Strong/weak force) of the nucleus is magnetic/Electric at its basic nature.

[@miloavram5842]

with disturbances between energies (which spread in forward spirals), vortices arise, which make these energies appear as matter, and in energy fields such as the Higgs, a torque is exerted on these vortices, this torque creates an apparent mass, a quantitative gravity,

[@metrologe]

Matter is crisalised consciousness (where cristalise is a metaphor and matter and consciousness are words with the limitaions of language)

[@missusbarkdog]

Electric Universe Model. When the numerologists turn to the proper orientation, we will begin to stop the nonsense. Crisalized my butt.

[@MHLivestreams]

I get what you say. Thoth the Atlantian said "the highest knowledge is unutterable, for it exists in lanes which transcend all words and material symbols. Symbols are but keys to doors leading to truths, and sometimes the key is so large that it obscures that which lies behind it" and my memory loses accuracy at this point, because it meandered into a paraphrase!

[@berserkberserk997]

i have this idea from a couple of years now... but i was thinking more about density levels more than "frozen"

[@BrianEdmonston-qx7qf]

Matter is bounded light and that is why matter can travel faster than light.

[@FighterFred]

Misleading title. The thing is energy, which can take various forms including matter particles. The real mystery is gravity, in particular how it connects everything in the universe. It's the only force that can do that, so it's not a variation of the other three.

[@irenejohnston6802]

Isaiah 40:26. ...dynamic energy. 🕊

[@firnleyblouws2747]

Intention shapes the flow of matter.

[@dischronic]

My question would be what caused the "light", or energy to be "frozen" or bond into the forms around us? Is there an underlying organized system controlling this process? Sometimes symbolized by Mathematics?

[@rickprice7919]

Time is a relation based on observable changes in structures. Structures are made of things that have quantifiable parameters. The fundamental physics of the photon and the electron affect. Is a structure.

[@astraltraveler257]

fascinating conversation. difficult to grasp the bridge between vibratory states and our perception, perceived thru assemblages of smaller units of vibratory states, of what we cooperatively call reality.

[@juanrojas99]

If I understand morphic resonance correctly, the slightly forelorn dwarfish man now appearing on my screen would be best understood as being the ancestor ...who called forth into form and for a time into the foreground of ideas, the younger, less crusty, Dr. R. Sheldrake (co-present on this medium) who argued for years to be the receptor of a special form of inheritance (therefore a natural conservative). Given this, the entity now co-present with us was always a boho, north of Euston, muffled and frothy capuchino voiced sort of Kermit who has over the years given up hiding some of his more mystical traits.

[@off6848]

Yeah Plotinus argued this as well and it seems to be true. Gamma Rays act like a sort of quasi matter getting hit with a hypothetical gamma ray would be like getting speared.

[@andyOsalek]

Haven't listened to yet do i'm not sure if it will be touched upon but as Tesla and many others believed light is waving of eather similiar to sound in the air

[@ronaldkemp3952]

When EM fields or light comes to a rest or is measured it converts into an elementary particle. When the EM field of two distant sources collide in the vacuum of space they convert into a pair of charged particles, one positive and the other negative. This was proposed in the Pair Production theory back in the 60's. Energy can't be destroyed, so when it comes to a rest instead of winking out of existence it converts into elementary particles, m=E/c². In particle accelerators physicists discovered 1.22 MeV of kinetic energy is produced when a pair of protons collide. Then the opposite is true. When the EM field's energy equivalence of 1.22 MeV comes to a rest in the vacuum of space it would produce a pair of hot, charged particles. I suspect that elementary particles are indeed bundles of light.

[@tedburke8187]

Matter is condensed, structured, positively and negatively charged particles doing a balanced dance.

[@oliviergoethals4137]

IMPORTANT ADDITION: In an non-naive idealistic worldview, matter is a relational expression between the (personal) observer and a transpersonal mentation (Φ in IIT). It's interaction resists and collapses into relata or matter. Matter is meaningful and subjective for each observer. It's seemingly objective qualities (it's quantities) are a consequence of the similarities between the observers... That's why most humans share a consensus meta reality. Matter is not objective out there it is experienced as objective because we are similar agents and have a similar relation to Φ.

[@cryphowns7536]

None of this is true, sounds like an abstraction of what is the Spiritual Realm

[@oliviergoethals4137]

@DianaS42 a tree itself is an observer (self organizing in time and space and phenomenal conscious of it's environment)

[@TheOneAndOnlySame]

What a load of quackery What you do is wordplay. It's dialectic. it's worthless. That's why physics uses maths and not poetry.

[@kensears5099]

Our "everyday assumptions" are hardly so far from the notion of matter as energy. After all, we all know that you turn a block of wood into a highly energetic ball of flame.

[@lynnhall9957]

Does the localization have a connection with the speed of the light trapped in the forms of matter? Is the speed of light slowed down into the forms? Did Einstein say something related to this--like matter being forms of slowed down energy or light?

[@jyjjy7]

Yes, matter/mass is energy, and almost entirely spatially confined energy rather than anything instilled by the Higgs field. These people are oddly ignoring this now basic science and replacing energy with 'frozen light"... because they think it sounds more mysterious and cool? There's no knowledge being offered here, there's just semantic games that degrade our actual understanding of reality.

[@kennypridemore5466]

When matter condenses through gravity it produces light , matter releases its light energy which inturns condenses again into matter ....

[@mcgarvey1986]

Thank you, I've never heard it explained this way before and feel as if something clicked in me. Not sure what yet but this layman is trying 🙂 I also wondered why I never heard anyone else reference the ancient alchemical elements w/our 4states of matter. Have either of you considered going on the Theories of Everything podcast?

[@acidtechno]

excellent ☕️

[@marekwolanin8335]

Is there a specific minute in the interview when it is mentioned that matter is frozen light, or do I waste time listening to stories about disconnected topics from each other like gravity, mass and attraction !?

[@antimatter314]

Think of spacetime fabric as a kind of particle field full of blanks, like stem cells would be on the body. Only when these 'blank' particles receive frequency or are stimulated in some way does matter appear. It could also explain why we cant detect dark matter yet can detect its mass and gravitational effects. When i saw 'frozen light' i thought straight away of the Bose Einstein Condensate in which we can literally stop, slow or freeze light in its tracks withough losing information.

[@user-mw4yp3jm1v]

In the beginning, there was light.

[@kyzercube]

You sure it wasn't darkness? ( Yes that is a Legend pun ) 😆

[@mspapworth1]

Actually, in. The beginning was the heavens and earth. Then, sometime later, there was light. That suggests to me that light is carried on a field that initially was not there.

[@mspapworth1]

Isaiah 45.7 says “I form Light and create darkness. that suggests to me that light is carried on a field, which can be switched off. It was in ancient Egypt

[@kyzercube]

@@mspapworth1 This is where the concept of time can be misinterpreted, philosophically ofc. There is eternal, and then there is the beginning 😛

[@MrToontuber]

There is no "beginning".

[@matthorrocks6517]

Well we could turn it back to light. What a crazy idea

[@lionturtle1972]

E=MC 2 matter is energy so yes think about when you burn a log.

[@AspenVonFluffer]

I think “captured by light” would be a better statement.. And remember kids: Light=Electricity=Gravity

[@user-by3ks9bp5d]

The sound of the British accent is the most heinous atrocity ever inflicted on the known universe

[@jerryclark5725]

To know the frequencies of matters would be profound, but it would be used as a weapon.

[@jerry4254]

Everything we see is photonic light. We learned that in school.

[@headsails]

23:28 Yes! There is new stuff - to me anyway - such as the “Golden Codes of Shamballa (Georgios Mykonos) or what some are calling light codes. There’s even “light language” I find fascinating (Laara). Quality and quantity may be the same thing at some level. This even suggests that the tree of life and the tree of knowledge are in actuality the same tree (Mauro Biglino’s claim that the tree of knowledge was added later to the story). It may suggest why human living qualities are attributed to planets?

[@jatigre1]

I wonder if these gentleman ever considered what would happen if the Michelson Morley interferometer were to be rotated vertically?

[@CPHSDC]

Light is quantized as photons. Electrons are found orbiting atoms, being shared by them, often changing its energy signature and producing a photon as a byproduct. Matter, made up of atoms, can be described as energy, in terms of the amount of energy it represents. The problem with the argument, so far is in the extrapolation of the immutability of energy. There is nothing either scientific or intuitive to support that as true.

[@jaymanier7286]

👍

[@SubtleReed]

Well, if it is frozen light, that means we would never age. I always thought of it as slowed down light. Which makes it more plausible since it seems that some of us age better than others. Hence the frequency, the energy, and the vibration. Perhaps energy and vibration produces a frequency and everybody's frequency is different.

[@sunmoonstars3879]

I’ve thought this for a while, those that are dark low vibe age faster/worse. Look at Tony Blair, a very dark man with a face to prove it. Victoria newland is another, her face has a demonic quality. Their frequency is physically manifested in the cells which in turn causes them to look older and uglier but not just ugly’ ugly with an overtone of evil. Fascinating stuff, the truth will out whether they like it or not!

[@user-ej5cd4ei2l]

Mass is potential energy at various amplitude of existence. Light is energy change causing time.

[@nicholastaylor9398]

I understand that conservation of energy is associated with the time-reversibility of the basic laws of physics, which seems essentially to express 'nothing happens' (c.f. Peter Atkins of Oxford). But it bothers me that energy seems to be a continuous quantity, and I don't see how a continuous quantity can be conserved in general. This gets even more awkward when one considers the tiny increments of, or transfers between potential and kinetic, energy conferred to a material object in a gravitational field. A related question is how fields can be continuous - as I understand it both material fields and wave functions are represented as f(x,t). Another question, albeit rhetorical, is why excitations in a field, e.g. electrons in the electron field, do not disperse and remain discrete.

[@dischronic]

What controls the patterns in fractals and why are their patterns so prevalent?

[@headsails]

27:00 Yay! When in linear transit toward an opposite charge, electrons stop repelling each other and instead fall in line with each other?

[@headsails]

It’s almost as if orbiting electrons “compete” and repel while conducted electrons “cooperate” and become neutral in relation to each other. An orbiting electron is frustrated by never being able to unite with its opposite charge proton. Thus electrons compete with each other while assuming tangential orbits to each other. If allowed to complete the transit to the opposite charge, electrons forget about competing because there is no need to. Sperm travel together in unity toward the egg but once the egg is reached, they assume the orbiting electron role in relation to the egg (atomic nucleus).

[@hotrodandrube9119]

I'm a fan of the expanding contracting universe theory. It's all about riding the wave.

[@shawnlandry9287]

We live in an ecosystem of light and light byproducts.

[@NoMoreNarrative]

39:25 30 sec before he says light is first act. It seems to me that it should be obvious that sound is the first act. I could be wrong, but this is according to some science show I'll have to find again to properly cite.

[@brentabel724]

If sound and light are but waves... then the water was first, the water was uncreated.. there was only a separation of the water

[@NoMoreNarrative]

@brentabel724 water could not be even its separate elements without wave function collapse. High enough frequency sound manifests. At a higher frequency, light manifests. If God said, "Let there be light, I lean toward the bible being an allegory," the meaning I get out of this is that sound is produced, and the sound energy is transformed into light. I forget what was said in the video, but if my memory is correct, this is what was said before my original post. Too lazy after 16 hr workday to double check.

[@krackd-tv1364]

Yes matter being frozen light actuwlly makes sense . I think its more technically matter is frozen energy but yeah

[@sydwelglobal1439]

energy is vibration! vibrations in the electromagnetic field is light! A photon is the smallest unit of light!

[@picterpreterearth9896]

Consciousness creates material. The sun emits conscious energy, captured by plants with photosynthesis, giving the glucose molecule the potential to be the singular building block for all life. When we burn the plant we see the same colors in the flame as was absorbed by the plant's leaves; blue and yellow. The sunlight is not recognized by science yet there it is in the fire.

[@dg271]

My intuition suggests that "dark matter" consists of the effects of higher dimensions/vibrational energies that permeate the universe superimposed upon our visible space. This is also indicated by what has been described in some near death experiences.