Fellas, It's Getting Bad...

[@akpimpjuice]

By the time the game loads enough to let you select your character, you realize you don’t even wanna play anymore.

[@powerjae4651]

Facts

[@thomasbrown3646]

@@powerjae4651 same back to halo i go

[@Vanilla_Is_King]

@@thomasbrown3646Which Halo are you playing?

[@glarsen4l136]

Yooooo 😂 I've done this so many times

[@vanilsonnog]

I feel that

[@danbrooks275]

More people watch Cross than play destiny anymore

[@JGcd001]

Goes to show how many people (me included) stopped playing but still enjoy the universe. Are we watching with the tiniest spark of hope it'll get better? Or maybe the watching of a Final Destination accident in slow motion and can't look away? 🤔

[@prstechnic1774]

Thats so true lmao. I watch him instead of playing lol.

[@kite2036]

Lol... not even 1 hour and it's already hit the playercount

[@prstechnic1774]

@@JGcd001personally, im not hoping for anything anymore because if the game dies then it dies. I just like cross’s content.

[@hellkaiser1366]

Wait...people here been playing?

[@chucksneedlee]

Guess that shape was final after all.

[@jfelton3583]

LMAO!!!!

[@PejSaint]

oooooohh snap!

[@mena10ss]

Before it released, I called the dlc The Final Sale, and it's shaping up (no pun intended) to be the case lol

[@KingJC.]

Wait....The witnesses plan worked?

[@PejSaint]

@@mena10ss noice!

[@NotFrogBox]

Two years ago there used to be at least 30 friends playing destiny at a time on my steam page, now there's no one. When apathy replaces anger you know you're fucked.

[@dankvada4588]

we used to have between 2-3 clans packed w/ players... now i have 2 guys on the friendslist playing

[@Boo_Yeah]

Destiny 2 was installed on my PC since it's launch. I've uninstalled and I doubt I'll ever be back.

[@TheSpeedfoever]

​@@Boo_Yeahnoooo install it back!

[@endoraclethegreat4483]

That's so real though halfway through the first season this year my friends list just VANISHED and honestly so did i

[@ThaAlecman]

What’s crazy is there are people, myself included, who used to play this all the time and wanted so much out of it. When you’re losing even the players who no-lifed the game, you know there’s a problem.

[@phillemon7664]

"problem" is an understatement

[@TheMossKeeper]

Fr I have literally days of my life in that game, met friends through it, had my writing inspired by it. And I haven’t hopped on in over a month. They stopped making new mechanics, new enemies, new gun models, and yet bugs just double each season. (But don’t worry there is a new eververse inventory every event and season)

[@dblitz1339]

Destiny used to be my unnoficial second job. Morale decline started awhile back and increased like a snowball due to many factors. Havent looked back and feel better for it.

[@Galactus23]

and when you start losing the players who no-lifed the game and don't care how bad its getting thats when things are getting really really bad!

[@hydrophobia936]

Fr I have over 10k hours. I uninstalled the game months ago

[@MichaelMiller-bs3tz]

I cant help but remember how many times ive been told "If you dont like it, leave" on the forum every time I made a suggestion to improve the game. Well jackasses, looks like everyone left.

[@LVEMRE]

Bungie only listened to certain people on quality of life changes.

[@SomebodyYouUsedToKnow]

Yeah lol. For years now any kind of suggestions to improve the game, were met by rage from fanboys.

[@_BELMONT_]

holy FACTS.

[@AsuraComplains]

"Why are you even here if you don't play the game anymore, stop trying to change something you don't play" says the person that is whining in other replies about struggling to find a team that's willing to teach him the new raid/dungeon because everything is KWTD.

[@yoitscharms]

​@AsuraComplains here's a fanthey/them , now

[@alpanago2603]

The issue isn’t the grind, it’s the lack of respect for our time invested

[@biohazard326]

yup, grind for weps only to find out the rolls you were grinding for weren't actually obtainable....disrespectful 100%

[@LivingTheorem]

That, and I'd also like to add the gameplay diversity itself isn't fun. So many unusable exotics. For instance, I want to run a team healer build on Titan with Phoenix Cradle, but Sunspot creation is inconsistent, restoration x1 is worst than a healing rift, also, there's no visual difference for myself and teammates to know that a sunspot is specifically a Phoenix Cradle-sunspot. Black Talon is another one. Cool concept, but would be so much more fun if they revisited it so it had some viability in PVE. Maybe if Bungie revisited underperforming and underutilized exotics, then there wouldn't be the issue of everyone using the same 3 builds, and having to nerf things, sometimes simply because it has a high usage rate.

[@ElevatedScvrecrow]

This.

[@alpanago2603]

@ preach man

[@DGhutros]

Bungie heavily overestimates the time people have to play their game, specially if the quality is fucking shit and filled with glitches that ruin the experience even more for a playerbase that is already exhausted with Bungie's shit

[@mango2538]

If it truly is the end, I’m so thankful for the friends, the memories, the content, the blood, sweat and tears the devs poured in. Nobody wants to see any franchise crash and burn. I’m just glad this franchise happened at all.

[@d2larry]

Destiny’s downfall: 1. Terrible new player experience 2. Repetitive content 3. CHEATERS

[@chiefgyab9985]

number 1 is management.

[@phantomtec]

Man that TIGER Engine always been great, looks awesome, especially for its age & be a shame if any potential innovation towards it with new hardware just round the corner also be a total waste if it ends up collecting dust...Also was really efficient, least back in the day when I frequented Destiny 2 on PC / Steam. Peace All & perhaps I suggest a game like "FOREVER WINTER" you peeps suss out for a new type awesome looter / shooter with BAM world bosses for days / epic battles with co-ordinated fire teams reqs etc. Bye, Bye Destiny 2 I guess...☮☮

[@zerlichr426]

YOu forgot number 4 Warframe ship Jump

[@Ixarus6713]

5. Appealing too much to streamers and bumping up the difficulty/restricting everything to 4 player fireteams. (The grind)

[@Lumiinyaa]

The price is a big no for me and a lot of my friends

[@ThermicWolf2000]

That quote of “save a dollar lose a player” hits heavy here. All those layoffs dropped the quality of the product and now people simply don’t come back

[@traviszane5334]

Most likely the reason is the 10 year main story is finished up and this story feels more like a side story. Most people are not as interested with the current story and the decrease in quality is the perfect combo to make people move on

[@Buoygg]

The game was literally bad before a single employee was fired. Seriously season of the deep was down every single week for 3 months.

[@ThermicWolf2000]

@ hoping those new expansions grab some attention again. But also feel like people will see “Destiny” and just think naaaaah. At least until the content creators showcase stuff

[@taylor63664]

​@@Buoygg season of the deep was much better than this.

[@Dan016]

Remember when Bungie saw the writing on the wall when D2 dropped Curse of Osiris? Those were the days huh 🤔🥲

[@Septemus_]

Shocker, when you don’t reinvest into your flagship game and throw money into projects that nobody asked for, your company struggles. Who would’ve thought?

[@schreursalain2968]

Bad upper management, bad desicions, bad content. Add to that the "elites" that dominate (alongside the cheaters (not always Epic, cause i'm one and i never cheated)) trials and the likes....and you get that result. Face it, the game has become boring, i haven't even logged in for over a week now and i don't even care anymore for their "events" that are buggy as Fck it seems.

[@kingfratetrain7634]

*surprised pikachu*

[@Krome5555]

This. Nobody wants marathon. People who don’t play that type of game won’t start playing it. And you aren’t taking from Tarkov

[@roflcopter453261]

1:25, we should have started to be concerned when they announced a mobile game with a bunch of new features, weapons, and mechanics. But instead of putting all of that into the actual game bungie put it in an app on your phone.

[@cl4ppingch33ks5]

Bungie didn’t make the mobile game complete different company and studio

[@FugitiveJarl]

like that other dude said, that game is being made by a different studio with a license to work with Destiny stuff.

[@onenonlysnorlax8090]

What’d they think was going to happen. You can’t run the dawning again without any changes for the 8th year in a row and expect people to stay. I’m not saying that’s the problem. It’s the principal, of same stuff all the time.

[@WretchedFinger]

Literally

[@gaoexkaiser]

they had too much Ego... that why

[@Darthma94]

Not to mention there are games out there, example Warhammer and Helldivers 2 where the Devs actually give a shit

[@elijahford3696]

​@@Darthma94Unfortunately, I know what those communities are like, and want no part of Warhammer. Helldivers, maybe, depends on the amount of slurs I hear in chat.

[@Jet-ij9zc]

​@@elijahford3696womp womp

[@VenomPureEvil]

Worst part is i don't think they have the staff to turn this around either

[@clxxdxd]

It seems like the remaining staff doesn’t want to make content

[@Larudantex1991]

They lost so many players for marathons future and almost no one wanted it, if they used the Money for Destiny it would have had a better faith

[@223ndog]

The worst part is I think you’re right, very sad.

[@xN0Mii]

@@clxxdxdwhat makes you think that?

[@gaoexkaiser]

yeah, I was expecting this to happen after the final shape. After almost a decade of hinting the final shape finale, big bad boss finally slayed. what is even the point after that.

[@xchirs_]

I logged on the other day, stared at my ship in orbit for 5 minutes and realized there was nothing I wanted to do. So I turned it off and started playing PoE again. The new activities all just have reused mechanics, bosses, and locations. The weapons are mostly reskinned or reissued. I’m still also bitter that they got rid of 5 raids, 5 locations, and the original campaign and story missions. Destiny 3 was the only option to move the franchise forward in my opinion and it should’ve started at Beyond Light. They could’ve kept all of the old content in D2 instead of sunsetting everything. Instead, they chose to milk the playerbase dry to make other projects happen. They took our Eververse money that was supposed to go back into the game and started spreading it over those 4 other projects. When you take advantage of your players and then your schemes all are let out in the open during turmoil, you’re going to lose the cash cow that pays the bills.

[@LegitLizard]

I did the same about 5 months ago logged in sat in orbit for abit.. looked around the map and checked my friends list nobody was on and nothing caught my attention so turned it off and haven’t been back on it since… I love the game but I don’t think theres really anything that would pull people back now

[@xchirs_]

@ i used to take that time to do some solo stuff where I could just put my headphones in and grind for weapons. I’m someone who has WAY too many hours in the game and I understand that things can get stale, but having EVERY activity minus the raid start to have reused mechanics, some of which are old mechanics from raids or activities we don’t have anymore, is what has done me in.

[@Unoriginal1deas]

I really hate to be “that guy”….. bear in mind I olayed a lot of D2 prior to sunsetting more or less deleting my account. but with Warframe when the developers were working on other projects they did an amazing job making sure their fanbase was happy because they never forgot that their entire studio was surviving off of one game. And when they cancelled their hero shooter that was a year into development the player base didn’t notice a thing because the updates kept rolling in. Even now they’re working on another game but the updates to Warframe have been consistent and some (myself included), would say the game is in an amazing spot and their newest update is some of the best content yet. I’ve been out of Destiny for a few years now (and that’s not from a lack of interest), but everything I see makes it feel more and more like Bungee is just trying to squeeze all the juice they can from the game before moving on and not giving a second thought

[@HolySaintSlayer]

You made sense until the vaulted content screaming like a baby

[@_Botao_]

@@xchirs_ Yeah the fact that they just couldn't understand that betting on other projects while neglecting the only IP that is actually making them money is insane to me. They had a community. I loved being a part of that community. Now I just feel like we have all been in a toxic relationship for at least two years. We want to play. Bungie just doesn't want to give us a reason to anymore.

[@tristancallahan8189]

I went to a mental facility for a few months a couple days after witch queen released. I played a single mission of it, and after I left for that facility, I've never played the game again and never will. I remember that time as a point when everyone was singing bungie's praises, we thought it would be a new era. Look how wrong we were.

[@SandyCheeks1896]

It’s crazy how hype I was for that, and then it all dropped off a cliff

[@trippy5519]

Witch queen was mega overrated and was the start of the end for me. Extremely boring and empty patrol zone, artificially difficult campaign that everyone praised for some reason, and barely any extra content to do.

[@BeePee5]

I really enjoyed the WQ campaign and raid, but after all that was over and we were just left with seasonal stuff it was the end for me. Lost all interest and never went back.

[@CMTechnica]

@@trippy5519indeed. Witch Queen is the most one note expansion and just treads the same plot points Taken King did back in the day. It’s beat for beat the same story, just with a boss that has a different name.

[@louisosullivan2114]

this is the first time in YEARS I have taken a long break from the game, the apathy is so real.

[@Jatmahl]

and Bungie thinks it's because they released all of the ACT at once. No... the game is SHIT and you keep walking back quality of life changes in game.

[@lenaic3360]

took a break because of maintenance one day, played Path of Exile for the first time... was my last time playing D2, that was during uhhh the one where they added stasis :p

[@Unoriginal1deas]

I took a long break and every expansion I owned was vaulted and I only have access to maybe 2% of the actually content in the game and they wanted over $100 AUD for me to get back to having 100% of the games content again. Damn straight I never came back

[@brianhouston5368]

I haven't touched the game since I finished one playthrough of The Final Shape. Bungie has lost the trust after they kept hollowing out their development team in order to prioritize executive bonuses at the expense of everything else. In addition to apathy, I'm just angry at them, and I don't think I'll ever invest time in a Bungie game ever again. There's just no point, because they have demonstrated repeatedly that they don't really care about the state of their games...they only care about their revenue streams. They take their developers and their players for granted. Their rampant greed has turned me off from their brand, permanently.

[@louisosullivan2114]

@@brianhouston5368 very well said, it really is such a shame as bungie has some amazing developers and has always had such potential. there are so many great games to play these days that its becoming easier to separate from bungie and their horrible business practices and ply other games that respect your time and money more.

[@mirror8049]

This makes sense the game has always struggled with player retention, looks like years of mid stories, delayed expansions, bad press and a terrible new player experience coupled with not wanting to overdeliver is truly paying off.

[@traviszane5334]

If they planned it right they could have completed the light and dark saga did the 3 followup episode to lead into either D3 or a complete rework of the game and engine and call it D2:Frontiers starting the new story with a huge content release and a better state of the game

[@brettadiah10]

I think the flight and dark saga being over is a big reason. A lot of my buddies don’t play anymore because of that.

[@Bill-e-Goat]

@@traviszane5334 yes, but that would’ve taken a team of competent people. I think the last two weeks clearly shows that’s not what we’re dealing with.

[@Familiar2086]

Other than engine, we are getting a rework to key systems in the game. Armor, stats, loot acquisition, custom playlists. Just no engine upgrade being announced. ​@@traviszane5334

[@Val-bx6gn]

@@brettadiah10 it's pretty much destiny's wotlk moment, there's a significant drop in wow subs back in the day after the "main story" that started all the way in warcraft 3 ended. many from my friend circle quit after that. Hilariously enough, even tho wow had many rough moments over the years, it's generally agreed that now is like one of the best times to play wow, the last 2 expansions have been great, blizz wow team generally pulled their heads out of their asses. I just wish bungo did the same, but they seem to be very reluctant to do that.

[@johnstancil4544]

I am an old timer. I mean old timer at the age of 72 I use gaming to keep my hand and eye in shape. I have been playing Destiny since it rolled out. As a old gamer who CO-Wrote 3 different games for Atarie and Magnavox platforms I can say that Bungie has become a re-do scene and background programmer. In other words they just redo landscape with flower, trees and such. Sony is a good company but they have failed to move forward. The truth is this there are about 200 things that can be improved in the game, but like most all good games it must come to a end. More content is rolling out for gamers.

[@marlonsilva-dv6gy]

They’re facing the reality now that people dont want to eat a shit sandwich. It’s sad, they had such a great product, but no, let me flush it down the toilet.

[@mojomanmurph1925]

I started out with Pong that we got from Service Merchandise. It's been a heck of a ride to see the progression through the years. Play several games but keep coming back to Destiny because it's really good at it's core. Just know Sony is working on the backend shaking things up and good things will come. If Sony dumps Bungie, then the game is toast. They better focus on the hacking. It's gotten out of hand here lately.

[@dankvada4588]

exactly, Bungie beat the same ol formula to death and charged the playerbase a premium every time doing so. Now they have a formula that doesnt work and a ridiculous pricing model. even if they changed it up, it would be behind a hefty paywall most people are just not willing to pay anymore. Add to that that the game looks absolut ass nowadays, its a rgb seizure w/ stuff on the ground everywhere... terrible compared what it used to be.

[@jeevesss7752]

They’ll complain if it changes… they’ll complain if it stays the same…

[@Ghoats]

well said unc🙏

[@itsKyrex]

Guides for raids are a lot different, in my experience, than even dungeons, i can watch a dungeon guide several times to really know what to do and where to go and almost inmediately have a grasp on it, but a raid has 6 players that all can provide a role and it takes just as much to learn that role as it does to learn to coordinate it with another, so having watched a guide helps to have a vague understanding and outline of the raid but having someone really teach you is so much more helpful but nobody is really that patient unless you find a good sherpa

[@BURN447]

D2 was my most played game of 2023 and I never did a raid for exactly that reason. I can learn a dungeon on my own. I can't do a raid on my own, and nobody is patient enough to teach, so you either get players pissed off at you because you only marginally know what to do or just get dropped the second you tell them you've not done it before.

[@damnedifido1062]

To this day, the Destiny content vault was by far the biggest mistake they have made. And it just keeps repeating. Why would anyone get invested into a game when the content they payed money for is going to be removed at a later date.

[@sydious_s_snake]

If the dcv hadn't existed we'd have exactly the same problem we currently have just with more stuff that we've already done on the list, and on top of that there would be absolutely no reason to do it without big meaningful loot updates. What reason would there be to go to the tangled shore or run the foresaken/red war campaign again besides either your first time or for nostalgia. There would be none.

[@sadboy-dn1pc]

@@sydious_s_snake and on top of that the game would be like 300 gb

[@bumblebeegamer2736]

@@sadboy-dn1pc That problem can be solved by the same method of Halo Master Chief Collection which the DLCS are the games. In Destiny 2, DLCs could have being the entire pack of the expansion, won't take much of space if you uninstall the expansions that you don't feel interested anymore to go in.

[@ManuelGraphFilms]

Not only removed but you have to pay again to get it back 😆

[@sydious_s_snake]

@@bumblebeegamer2736 MCC has all of the games split and they all function differently, it wouldn't be physically impossible to do with D2 as the dlcs run off the base game. If you go and look right now your dlc sizes will be 10-20mb, because the downloads act as keys in a way. The game without any of them bought is still 170gb ish, you can't take them apart like you can with individual halo games (it works like that with cod too)

[@tukynii]

I uninstalled D2 a week ago and it was like a tumor removed.

[@piggymaster3209]

Haven’t played since echoes ended and it’s been wonderful not playing D2

[@tjvajs]

This!! I bought a racing rig to force me to stop playing D2. Like I was so attached worse than a tumor. ToO honestly killed the game for me tbh. I was so tired of making it far only to loose someone whos in the 0.5% thats so draining, especially if ive been running the same card for 8hours only to never hit flaw that week.

[@Vating4498]

This is how I felt shortly befire Lightfall during an almost year-long hiatus when I literally described the game to a friend like it was an abusive relationship accidentally.

[@kalashydra9016]

welcome to freedom brother

[@FrankieRedding]

See ya in a few weeks

[@YellowLightNinja]

Not making Destiny 3 and dumping all their money into Marathon was the absolute stupidest thing they could have done. I have all the loot. All the new activities are functionally reskins. The game needs a massive sequel-level update to entirely overhaul everything, and instead of working on that, they're wasting all the money we've given them on something literally not a single person cares about

[@Noapologies-q3p]

wow d2 players are so toxic, imagine a video game studio not making another video game😅 wtf are you type of people smoking😂 you hate d2 so much but when bungie makes a new game you tell em to go fuck em selves and keep on making destiny??😅😅

[@lostnemesis]

It would give them the opportunity to rebalance, make new and start again. But they are a little too dumb.

[@Someothername2134]

Is marathon a fortnight ripoff?

[@Poopmiester]

@@Someothername2134 more of a tarkov wannabe? since its an extraction shooter..regardless, bungie fucked up.

[@Chia_42]

i don’t get this destiny 3 cope. Destiny 2 vanilla launch was actually horrendous. Do you honestly think the team could dump resources WHILE the layoffs are happening AND while the executives and head honchos are too busy jerking it in the corner instead of actually making games for gamers? If they can’t make seasonal content correctly what makes you think they could make a all new game?

[@AimStar6]

i rlly dont understand why bungie is not listening to normal players. the system the last season where u could farm for redborders was ok for normal players. we dont have time to play 8h a day to get a god roll. We all have a live and need to work also!

[@drschroeder1017]

A 10 year relationship containing dishonesty, disappointment, and lack of respect for the community would be the killer of any game

[@VladShpiro]

Toxic relationship right there

[@pftvfc66]

Right now, I don't think that even a Destiny 3 would be able to bring most of the Destiny players back. Players have moved on to other games. In the end was Bungie who killed their own game.

[@Jedi71]

Most games die at the hands of their creator.

[@azrazerz1445]

Nah D3 would definitely bring everyone back. It’s been 6-10 years of hundreds of thousands of players lives (with breaks). Now whether or not they stay more than 2 weeks would be up in the air 😂

[@Beegrade]

@@azrazerz1445I’d be back in a heart beat and daily with a revamped story, crucible, and seasonal content reworks.

[@Seoul_Soldier]

Destiny peaked in 2015 with the King's Fall raid, and nobody can change my mind on that. Destiny 2 has been a failure by every metric compared to Destiny 1. Monetization, content, everything.

[@WhatUpMutt]

This is what happens when you purposefully hold your developers back so that you don't "overdeliver", meanwhile using all the money from your flagship game, your only PROFITABLE game, to fund SIX other projects. They've kept Destiny in a state of minimum viable product for too long, hoping it would continue to just print money for them.

[@iamoctonate]

This... The situation isn't the same as Marvel's End Game. This was a very specific series of f***-ups by Bungie since Beyond Light, culminating in Lightfall and then not righting the ship post Final Shape. This was years of exploiting FOMO and monetization that never led to any tangible investment into the game.

[@rashodm7129]

New player here, it is absolutely impossible to run raids/dungeons in this game without getting booted. Every party wants someone with 3 years of raid experience 😂

[@MIKlLLA]

Brother, you picked the absolute worst time to get into the game. 10 years too late in fact. There are thousands of games out there to play instead

[@michaeleide7098]

@@MIKlLLAnever heard that before said about any game, so disappointing

[@jackshinners381]

Literally played 8 different players on my blocked list today in crucible. Player pool is very, very thin.

[@sidneypowelstock6812]

am i on your blocked list

[@LetsGoBrandon2024_]

😅😂

[@subzero308]

U block people in video games 😂 thats wild af

[@jivanov1k405]

@@subzero308lots of people shit talk in PvP as for iron banner even my team was talking crazy

[@shredder_s_0733]

Shitty stories, map and activity reskins, and zero patience in the community for casual or solo players. If you KWTD the blueberries over and over, don’t be surprised when they all jump ship and volume crumbles.

[@harryszczepanik9745]

The amount of time the elitists have said git good or skill issue have caught up. They shouldn't have a problem now finding kwtd people

[@madeofshavings]

@@harryszczepanik9745this is real as hell. Part of why I stopped raiding was the insane fear of fucking up some mechanic then being torn to shreds

[@notthething9531]

Tbf I blame bungie for conflating awkward and longwinded content with challenge (creators too tbh). No one wants to have to spend 3 hours on the first raid encounter.

[@samvimes9510]

@@notthething9531 bingo. I never liked raiding because I don't like having to figure out nonsensical puzzles in the middle of a damn firefight.

[@harryszczepanik9745]

@@madeofshavings you are correct. But we will get the patent response of see you at reset or new season. No thanks I'm done.

[@Ligma7232]

Doing anything in this game has lost its ‘significance’ and feels meaningless since they told us that marathon was their focus and not destiny and that after the final shape they don’t have any real plans to better the game. To see and be told that marathon is getting all the love and not the game that we all and care about made me drop the game after 6 thousand hours. Bungie truly alienated their audience and killed their game at the same time by not over delivering and not caring for the game that made them who they are after halo

[@Pr0m3th310us]

More like the game that destroyed their reputation and ruined them after halo.

[@jaden6640]

marathon will probably be a flop too so its most likely all for nothing

[@phantombigboss8429]

@@Pr0m3th310usnope it’s Bungie that dropped the ball.

[@FenrisTheWolfofDoom]

Imagine Marathon being garbage despite the resources poured into it

[@phantombigboss8429]

@@FenrisTheWolfofDoom Im going to be very Livid but also don’t care much really.

[@ineffable1318]

Living in South Africa, I haven't been able to find a PvP game in the last month...

[@virtualshift]

I stop playing Destiny about 4 or 5 months ago because the 3 main reasons. They increased the light level again for no reason, they got rid of red borders and they increase the grind to 1000%. This game became a full-time job just to keep up with it. A game is supposed to be fun and that's not fun to me.

[@dan5698]

Chores the game

[@ciscodeer9094]

Yeah they should have left the light level alone, that's why D1 is king

[@kronron4894]

this x1000. I just came back at the game but if they keep increasing light levels i cannot see myself playing this game further (i got other shit to do).

[@RvLeshrac]

Streamers whined that crafting made everything "too easy," so they got rid of it. Now they wonder why people stopped playing..

[@irelandnicknick]

They literally have increased the light level EVERY YEAR since launch, what are you talking about 😂😂

[@AcidGlow]

Ah the memories of LFG from Destiny 1. "how many times you done this raid?" -- 20 times *dies first* "OMG, you guys don't know what you're doing, I'm leaving. 😵‍💫😵

[@franklindonut2899]

I still have terrible experiences like this. Or hey "I've done the raid 20 times" has to backpack a tard who can't kill thrall and gets a carry at the end of a four + hour run. If you don't know what you are doing IT IS OKAY some of us don't mind teaching at all. Just don't expect to sit there and do nothing lol

[@Hustlexz]

The few players remaining must be from D1 LFG. I posted for a quick fresh VH the other day, I have 50 full vesper’s clears including contest and a solo flawless with hundreds of farming runs too. Guys join, I grab scanner and point out which one NOT to shoot. You know, the non braindead efficient way bc if you can’t shoot that one it means what? You can shoot the rest. Clown shoots the one i say not to and says “you guys don’t know what you’re doing I’m out”. Bro…😂 you need me to hold your hand panel to panel?

[@kenshinteh4508]

@@franklindonut2899I still remember when I joined lfg in crota end, at second encounter I died before cross bridge, they decided kick me instead to save me…

[@sportblort1021]

I was doing King's Fall with a couple buddies one time, and we had this guy come in trying to order everyone around like he was the boss. Anyway, we got to totems, and this guy was dying nonstop. We even gave him the easier side after a while, but he kept dying. Keep in mind, one of the guys on our team was absolutely plastered and another guy was high off his ass, but they were still doing better. I finally started to tell him what he was doing wrong and how to fix it, and the guy blew up. Saying how the game is glitched and he's a top 1.5% player (whatever tf that means) and threatening to leave like it would be some huge detriment to lose him. We just kicked him mid rant.

[@lnfinitry]

I’ve kicked plenty of folks with raid titles thinking they’re big shit and don’t want to talk on a mic and just take care of adds.

[@justinbrooks8179]

Games boring. No innovations in 10 years. Same ole bs

[@lazyvoid7107]

Yapping

[@kddatrapmane]

Dude telling the truth, the core playlists haven’t changed much in years lol

[@pastatown3272]

Stop watching these video. Play the game or not

[@justinbrooks8179]

@@pastatown3272 I’ve played since D1 beta. You are a kinderguardian and a blueberry sir.

[@bl9999]

"But wait, you can get the same old weapon with a new perk that makes you reload faster! OOOoo!"

[@nzuniga14]

Can confirm. I've all but quit playing over the last 2-3 months. I've maybe pooped in a handful of times over in the last 3-6 months. It's been nothing but bug after bug after bug. Bugs and schemes that don't allow you to even farm the weapons you NEED to maximize play-ability. I've never wanted to raid less, and I've only ever competed 1 raid. EVER.

[@redundanttrees]

5:33 a little grind is fine. But it has too much. After 60+ Vault completions and no Mythoclast, I gave up. Now I’m at about 20+ Vespers completions and still don’t have that void grenade launcher. I just don’t have it in me anymore. I feel defeated by this game. Never thought I’d say it, but I might actually be done with this game, man.

[@LVEMRE]

I got the void grenade launcher but a trash roll😂😂

[@rickr5977]

I feel you And to think the only thing that needed for me to kill the game after no-lifing it for so long was the bug that locked you out do the introduction of the dawning.... And Marvel Rivals and Warframe 1999

[@the_goob]

can't you focus loot at the secret chest in vesper?

[@brandonspeed]

​@the_goob yes but only once per week but I think it's per character

[@yohans232]

Yeah, it feels defeating. Game never gave me vex in D1 and it took me legitimately 80+ clears for it in D2. But I'm not gonna lie, it's worth it. Vex is one of the few weapons that's actually worth the grind. Yeah it got nerfed. But it's so pretty, and the sounds it makes are beautiful. I suggest keep going

[@FrostTyler]

It actually dipped to 11,700 on steam at noon MST.

[@imcarolean]

When all they do is reskin activities, reskin guns, reskin armours and constantly nerf builds, players tend to leave for better games.

[@darrow_andromeda915]

It’s crazy to me how the bulk of the game is reskinned Gun models, that we’re sunset, and now you are supposed to be excited to re earn them. New models would have gone so far for me.

[@Bloodhurl67]

Yeah that's essentially what I was tired of. The activities were the same every. Single. Time. Even when there was potential for it to be different like Season of the Deep where you get to be "Underwater" it becomes incredibly disappointing.

[@hawk9mm]

Always has been, every year, every season it's the same reused assets no matter how Bungie tried to spin it.

[@justzack641]

Bring back Sparrow racing and this game will be saved trust

[@marshallman402]

And practically all the exotics are from destiny 1. That model wasn’t gonna survive forever

[@twitchydom8689]

I regret buying the deluxe edition of final shape so much. $120 for it to be absolute garbage. Base final shape was okay, but the season stuff is horrible

[@josephstalin7044]

If they actually delivered a quality product, focused on bugs, didn’t try to nickel and dime their fans, and weren’t so lazy, they wouldn’t be in this situation.

[@afri2n]

based take, joseph

[@bruiseleeroy7010]

100% Agreed and on point!! Couple all those things with the same ol same ol and people will leave You cant mistreat someone and also not reward them. Humans will walk away

[@CyberData4]

I agree of course, comrade!

[@AChunkyDog]

but we get a Saint/Osiris love story and pride emblems and that weird character from Lightfall that I can't remember the name of but you know it's a dude and they try to pretend it's something else And 90% of the staff of Bungie are women now and that's really great. Remember how good H1 through Reach were? And D1?

[@gaoexkaiser]

literally people are saying this since the first expansion of D2, this is why warframe keeps on winning. they don't try to do this sht, Lmao

[@19thshadow]

the problem with destiny is that it relied of FRIENDS to play together, as the player base aged, friends depart, game becomes less fun. DO NOT RELY ON FRIENDS as part of a multiplayer design to artificially make the game better, this is what happens

[@slate8409]

Except that's the mistake that Halo Infinite made with the removal of all the Bungie era social features. The company has its problems but that social integration was always a strength, not a weakness, and while Infinite's doing... well, okay, it's a common pain point that lobby chat, friends lists and pre/post game lobbies aren't a thing. The game feels sterilized compared to older Bungie era Halo titles, hell, even Halo 4 and 5.

[@SnowTheKitsune]

Solo player. Still have fun playing.

[@cos0]

I hear what you're saying but that's what kept the game alive and running for Vets and new players since 2015/2016 and onward. Even during the multiple content droughts. But if 8 years is what they could get out of us before things ran stale, I still applaud them because very few games can hold player base that long.

[@goth.bunny.]

Not true at all. Problem with Destiny has been content vault, pay wall after pay wall for newer players and the fact that Bungie as a company made shitty decisions and disappointing content ON PURPOSE.

[@Solkan55]

@@goth.bunny. 100%

[@garrettw9615]

The LFG people are gonna run out of players to raid with. It's their own fault for pushing away the new players who are trying to learn how to play the endgame content, but they have no one to do it with.

[@WaveForceful]

@@garrettw9615 because they cater to content creators and elitist players over the average player.

[@MrFreetime]

I mean there are several guides and tutorials on youtube. As well as strats to help you grind. There's almost no excuse

[@JustinBelanger-vm2rt]

​@@MrFreetimeYou must be joking. There's no way, after working 10 hours in banking, engineering, law, Corp fin etc wants to watch an hour video on how to play a video game after the wife and kids go to bed. You know, the real adults. Then again, your screen name is Mr Freetime so maybe you don't get it.

[@ebenaceto9497]

​@@MrFreetime Thats the thing though, the issue isn't that the players are bad or lazy, its expected, they're new and want people to play with. They aren't always looking to grind the raid efficiently. They're looking for a community like the one that was there when we all played these raids for the first time(s), when not everybody was expected to KWTD. The people who do that content now are very often unfriendly to new players because they are just there to grind the loot optimally and quickly, not to experience the raid or have casual fun. Once the new players are told "go do homework on how to do the raid before you try to play with us", they're treated as a nuisance for not knowing how to do the raid they don't feel welcome and don't come back

[@MrFreetime]

@JustinBelanger-vm2rt i get it, when im at work, i plan ahead. I watch falloutplays or datto before i raid. They cut them up into parts and you can learn the ecounters separately throughout the day. So when i get off work, finish dinner and spend time with my wife, I know exactly what i need to do. Maybe you just cant manage your time or you have other things to do more important than destiny but you dont need a full raid team to teach you anything when you can learn on your own

[@netaluna7210]

This might be a hot take but, I kinda hope it fails. It’ll be their karma for everything they’ve done to us and their employees.

[@ava-1536]

I don't regret quitting and I'll admit its a little cathartic to see this but I feel bad for people that really like the game might not have a niche like destiny for much longer

[@Pr0m3th310us]

I mean at this point that's on them. The writing has been on the walls for years now. People need to learn to walk away especially considering they have already been abandoned by Bungi

[@D4RK_FL4M3]

​@Pr0m3th310us Sadly, there's just not another game that ticks all the boxes destiny does for people like me.

[@hawk9mm]

It was cathartic for my wallet for sure, not having to rebuy the same content just rebranded and with a "perk refresh" and nothing else.

[@gaoexkaiser]

it can be a niche and stay a niche Forever. The PvP sucks, the Grind Sucks, the nerfs sucks, the price tags sucks, the expansions sucks, the high lvl players suck.

[@vruxdrossgaming]

Swen Vincke's speech is the cold hard truth for Bungie and they need to accept it and do better for the community and playerbase.

[@Trevahhh21]

Making the game “harder” by limiting the weapons and abilities you are allowed to use to take down a champion was probably the dumbest thing to do.

[@willieirsm]

Yup

[@Phillip_Graves]

Artificial difficulty is Bungie speciality.

[@mcgarbagenuggets8793]

Yup. Only thing i like running are GMs. But you cant use any build you want. Then they come out with modifiers that reduce specific weapons damage.

[@ahappylictor3214]

actually I think you'll find sunsetting content was, bungie's reputation has never recovered and it's all anyone outside the game talks about still to this day

[@marcvsaurelius7570]

@@ahappylictor3214 Its actually insane too you can tell many of those people barely played the game anyway because there is not a single sunset piece of content that is worthwhile for people who already played them. Every single weapon we have ever acquired from that time is obsolete, ever since they were unsunset I've never seen anyone I know actually use one over a new weapon. It sucks for new players but also lets be real here how many times were people actually replaying the red war and forsaken over and over? The zones and vendors in said zones were dead. The only thing we're truly missing is raids, but even then without constant loot refreshes they'd be obsolete too. bungie has made SO MANY much worse mistakes but people still wont stfu about sunsetting.

[@6_Star_Neckphones_timelost]

You only get to abuse players’ trust so many times. After the 6th or 7th Dawning without ANY changes… what can you expect. This is the bed Bungie made.

[@oobbe]

How about 9th dawning with no change?

[@SolarisSaber]

The simplest problem is that this game is NOT appealing to new players When I asked friends a couple months back about playing Destiny again (they haven’t played in years) they immediately say no due to the fact the game has a god awful system for new or old players to jump in and that fact you have to pay for EVERYTHING The game has a mountain of content with no easy to follow directions to enjoy it. No free new light campaign to engage you in the world or story of destiny. Nothing is free. Bungie might hate hearing this but the best way to appeal to a younger generation of gamers is to make content free. They can still over monetize the shit out of cosmetics. But the content needs to be free. It can’t be both. Lastly, I’m tired of waiting a year or more for DLC to get new subclasses, supers, abilities, etc. All F2P shooters have a season system that introduces new abilities/supers to the game like every 3-6 months. Destiny needs desperate needs that

[@Yusis-o7d]

Another frustration for people is that the recent Dawning started as completely free due to a bug, with Bungie patching said bug in just a few hours, compared to long-standing issues that have been present for weeks. Player sentiment was already low but Bungie went out of their way to patch their event pricing in record time, prioritising it over actual gameplay issues, and not letting it slide either despite the holiday season. It's stingy and frustrating.

[@Phillip_Graves]

Narcissists letting you know what they really care about $$$$$

[@ermac5127]

As like in all games. Every single game in the industry prioritises economic fixes a lot more that anything else

[@MangoMan1280]

I’ve clocked over 2500 hours on d2 and the biggest problem is the lack of creativity. First time in years j haven’t played the dawning event but it’s bc there’s nothing new. Just recycled content and weapons with changes and perks that probably took them a couple hours to make and then label it as something new

[@sircosta6200]

Bungie is so lazy!!!

[@samuelhofer7099]

Same, i heard the event was broken, and saw they added one new cookie *a whole year after that character was added* and just didn't feel like logging on. I'm playing Warframe rn, and it's so refreshing to see studio heads talk to the community, and constantly push out fixes for 1999 *day 1*.

[@ebas21]

Something new 😂 you mean the dawning hand cannon

[@immortallegend648]

We asked for sparrow racing, best we get is the dawning. Its almost like they don't want our business

[@Ziqua]

Yeah same I haven't touched it. But I think most of us would say it's because its too easy? We've all finished the game and some pretty hard content. And then you get these events where it's just an interactive movie? Actually create a good challenge as if it's like pantheon and people will play it.

[@_okonkwo_]

I cannot name 1 reason to play the game

[@ZayOsirisGaming]

Loot

[@Fox_The_Ruffian]

@@ZayOsirisGaming No.

[@imcarolean]

@@ZayOsirisGaming Youre getting loot?

[@Alon_Maor]

@@ZayOsirisGamingnah the loot is ass lately

[@justinlohrer4286]

@@ZayOsirisGaming not even

[@briyachrist]

People need to be taken seriously when they say they are going to stop.

[@TRtribal]

The issue is the grind in D2 right now feels either pointless or unrewarding. You must grind very specific activities to get certain tonic ingredients and the drop rates are trash. Meanwhile, they'll race to patch ANYTHING the benefits the players, but I'm still unlocking subclasses 2-3 months in. I haven't touched the game in weeks, especially the Dawning and I'm not missing it. Been playing Delta Force instead, which is arguably mid.

[@ZyloWolfBane_]

Tried to tell folks, getting rid of crafting and letting the game be buggy was a big deal.

[@BlackMagik12]

Yeah, the crafting was a way for me to have to play something long enough to craft what I want. Then I'd move on to other content I actually wanted to play. Also, can't stand the reset of light level. I know they've tried to mitigate it, but the OCD in me struggles with it 😅

[@JGirDesu]

@@BlackMagik12Can you tell me more? I haven’t played Destiny since Shadowkeep, and I just booted up the game again to all these problems 😂 I was really confused how I started a matchmaking strike yesterday, and I was the only one. Now I know

[@lobstershrimp]

You surprised? keep nerfing 💩 and modifying activities. Fixing what ain't broken. This is the best news of the year. People waking up. Stopped playing for a month now. Never felt better!

[@RvLeshrac]

All these people who are bitching about the lack of players are the ones responsible for the lack of players. They want to cry that the game "isn't hard enough" when all they do is nolife it 24/7/365 or treat it like a job, and shout "skill issue" whenever anyone points out that the gameplay feels like *dogshit* now. Supposed to be some bad-ass space wizard, yet every mook can chunk your health and has a 40 mile long lifebar.

[@Chados.]

Since Bungie gave us a -5 Delta everywhere even in STRIKES I hated it. Strikes are ment to be easy and brain off but now it feels like a nightfall....

[@migaelz]

The thing is... I want to play destiny 2 badly... but I can't. All the content I want to play, the nostalgia, the stories, everything. It's gone. What is left for me to play? Destiny doesn't have replay value for casual players. I don't want to play dungeons because of the stupid health bars that bosses have. the mechanics are cool, but the boss health sucks. And then there's just raids... So the only replay value as a casual player, is raids... great... Because each season, I'm just doing the story once. In fact, you CANNOT do it more than once without making a new character. and each season/episode, the story is gone again. Sorry, but I can't handle that. I've opened up old games before that I played into the ground because of their storyline. And I seriously wish I could have done the same with Destiny 2. Before sunset, I had played through the main campaign about 7 times. And that was during the time I was not even serious about destiny. but now... Sorry, I only get sad when I play old content. I dont want to replay old content out of order. Or only play old content half-assed. Destiny is just a game I play once every few months now, just to catch up on the storyline. But really, I don't know whether that stuff grabs me anymore. Not to mention the massive amount of guitar errors I get too. When you're already dragging yourself to play the game. To get errors constantly makes me feel as if I'm not welcome. I'm shocked there's still 19k players still playing.

[@infectedbait5693]

It's not a "doom and gloom" phase. It's the reality setting in. At the beginning everyone was complaining about creators making "doom videos/posts" and that it isn't "that bad". But it is. Bungie will more than likely be absorbed. All the bad news after FS? Got confirmed by bungie in their update blog after being silent for months. No big dlc, only 'into the light' sized content drops (plus seasons). Everything that was being dreaded from inside leaks and rumors, were all confirmed to be true. I think the reason everyone glazed over it was because EVERY content creator just hushed over it, being mote excited that there was at least SOME new content coming next year. Idk how many more "shocking realization" posts we gotta go through before everyone knows D2 is a sinking ship but, we're reaching the limit.

[@eliteslayer66]

As a all time player, im just tired. They never make any gameplay changes. "we added potion crafting" yea maybe for the season and then it will go away like everything always does. There's just nothing interesting to explore, I want a living world, patrols are just barren maps and they cant and wont be able to make any changes to this game unless its litterally a whole new game. For me its because new game have came out, hell i was so excited to get the new IB gear but i just thought "whats the point of getting loot for a game i dont want to play?" The gameplay is fun but it can only carry the game so far. Games repetitive. Also im just scared to get on with the bugs, i wasnt even able to do the main mission during the start of the season- and yes they are still seasons lol. If i had more vault space id probably play more though, that way i dont have to wrack my brain over what stuff to keep constantly.

[@novusparadium9430]

Potion crafting is the least time respecting activity they've ever added to this fucking game. Its like fishing except more time sinking to just farm goddamn mats for the potions. Waste of time and lack of respect to anyone playing the game anymore.

[@samuelhofer7099]

I used to spend hours after school playing Destiny, no goal in mind, it just felt fun to play, and i met players through LFG of all kinds, some of which are still my friends today. But nowadays? the TLDR is: I don't feel respected. Seeing Bungie make promise after promise, but only when "player counts are at an all time low" is getting tiring. The elitism and gatekeeping in the competitive part of the community, and the toxic positivity in the casual part is getting tiring. Hopping on to enjoy the new update, only to find out the content is maybe an hour worth of fetch quests, or is completely nonfunctional, is getting tiring. Having to wait a quarter of year to MAYBE get an obnoxious bug fixed is getting tiring. Seeing my favorite parts of the game get ripped out every year - say it with me - is getting tiring.

[@QuizCracks]

Warframe number 18 on the steam charts you were viewing.

[@omega9077]

Its crazy they have stayed so high for so long

[@itzdan0s477]

The problem with destiny grind is, once you get the roll, now what? Go use it on a run of COE OR TOE? Do this week's GM? Go run a dungeon that you've ran to death already grinding for other shit? Nah man it's pointless. There's gotta be more to it. There's not enough content and when it does release it's like APPLE back in the 2000s. Release the same shit with nuanced changes that doesn't matter. I finally understand why people are pissed off. Franchise potential is huge, and watching it get squandered is heartbreaking.

[@therealludwigtheholyblade]

This epiphany hit me the other day. Raids are the best part of this game and the loot you get from them is supposed to be better than anything else but once you get it you hit that “now what” wall. Why did I get the gun, to bring it into the raid? To do other activities I haven’t had trouble with before I got the gun? Yes new guns and loot are a core aspect of the game but when there’s nothing to use it on, why bother? I saw the chill clip sidearm and had a spark of “I want a roll” but I stopped to think on it. I have plenty of other options for chill clip, on several different weapon types and I usually only really use one or two so why do I need the sidearm? To put it in my vault? It just isn’t worth the effort.

[@gv584]

And that is why day one raids or actual end game content like pantheon make the game strive. You may finally get why you grinded for this God roll, you may finally be happy to have this niche weapon that comes clutch in a new encounter... The decision of making one raid this whole year will put the game on life support.

[@marshallman402]

@@therealludwigtheholybladeanother huge issue with raid weapons is that their is no clear distinction between those weapons and regular weapons you grind, making the chase utterly useless. Not to mention weapons getting nerfed to often to even enjoy something you do get

[@RFD.....]

ty man, i have understood this years ago, there is no goal in this game, story line doesnt exist outside 5 missions by years...

[@Goober2289]

They are trying to make the game for everyone, so it's being made for no one.

[@Ukioda]

There’s more people watching these videos than there are actually playing the game

[@GuacMedia]

We like the game, content is not there at least for the story. Nothing much actually happens in episode til the end really. I feel like final shape hit cause those mission were amazing & maybe there should be better seasonal story missions that give good new loot too

[@lindamarzano6042]

lol

[@CaptainFancyCat]

the level of delusion with hardcore Destiny players needs to be studied.

[@Nobreza0804]

Cross still being in denial is absurd

[@fysean]

@@Nobreza0804it’s cos he knows he and other streamers are the cause of this problem lol. For years now they’ve been complaining about crafting and “the grind needs to come back”

[@crysthianperdomo9614]

ahahahahhh

[@aufbau2882]

It's just the sunk-cost fallacy

[@panan7777]

Stopped playing main story in the previous chapter, because I play alone and now I WILL NOT grind for hours to advance the story, or be forced to seek a group. I run my shop I do not have time to sink into this. This is kinda soft farewell, after sinking 3000 hours in the game. Instead of giving us space fights, racing, REAL EXPANSIONS, going to the stars with the new allies. etc, they just reskin and repeat everything. I don't think this would be too expensive. Most of the really good weapons are years old. Even today nothing compares to Yotun or some the other legends. So this is how you kill the game that could have go on forever. They can STUFF the game now.

[@frenchtoasto_o9536]

I tried raiding after I watched a guide and I don’t even understand the guide, not saying that raiding is hard but I’m a player who needs experience in the raid itself and people don’t have patience for that. it’s to the point we’re I’m just gonna grab a bunch of new people and we can all struggle together with it

[@kingfratetrain7634]

Nah the raids hard. Let’s be real. Fuck that shit

[@subzero308]

That's honestly the best and most fun way to do it... Playing with elitist is boring af can most of the time the people who want people to know what to do r the same people who got carried 100 times and r finally decent enough to play the raid without haaving their hands held.

[@JGcd001]

Cross really hit the nail on the head: the grimd itself isn't bad, it's that Bungo keeps moving the goalposts or doesn't respect our time from the grind. Sunsetting, power creep, nerfs, reworks, etc

[@DC_docTR]

I just can’t do it anymore. I held in there as long as I could. They need to restructure or something to improve. 🤷‍♂️

[@alexcurtis8132]

2nd round of layoffs was the nail in the coffin....shit was looking up after Into the Light and then Fi al Shape popped off, then BAM sorry, we fire 200 more ppl...oh but "We kept the right people" per Pete Parsons....fuckin R.I.P🤦‍♂️

[@123TheCloop]

@@alexcurtis8132 wasnt even the layoffs and if anything lightfall was what started this of when ppl realised lightfall was cut from withch queen and how the start/ending for lightfall made no sense. game is dead because the content it offers is just honestly ass, POE2 as difficult as it is, has woken a lot of ppl up in wanting a game they can "grind" and D2 just isnt that anymore

[@dooperpop3977]

Destiny 2 was one of my favorite games of all time and as I played the game more and update after update came out, it felt like the game only got worse and worse. Lightfall was really bad and destroyed my confidence in the game, I had some optimism for final shape but it just left me feeling let down. I didnt like the ending of the light and dark saga I felt that the ending was a cheep cop out. Destiny has allways been a hit or miss on its content and towards the end I just felt like it was miss after miss. the best time in recent destiny was 30th anniversary and the witch queen expansion. I was riding the high of thoes two for the longest time thinking to myself that bungie will pull themselves together, I was in denial. As management got worse i lost more and more hope for the IP the straw that broke the camels back for me was the firing of Michael Salvatori

[@jimmcmeen761]

I’ve had trouble finding games in onslaught. I love Destiny but I’m starting to see the decline.

[@DiguisedDog]

Knowing how much better the farm for weapons was during that original event makes it almost insulting to try and farm them now. It’s just not worth the time investment.

[@stephanbalaur4828]

I got tired of Bungie when they decided that unless i make Destiny my life, i wouldnt be able to enjoy the game. When every storyline can never be played again, that i am forever going to lose the stories of the past unless i record them as videos. I decided to go for games that value my time and appreciate the effort i put into them.

[@Hellsfoul]

So true. The fomo thing sucks so much. The game could have so much content for new players or ones that return after a year of pause.

[@LVEMRE]

Because the game just isn't fun anymore. The community used to be helpful, now it's toxic and bungie caves to much to content creators and its just to damn grindy, a lot of the players have families and jobs and real life stuff going on, cant spend 20 hours playing. It's not really fun anymore to anyone other than that small group of players. I'm sure if they look the majority of players remaining are content creators and their clan. Add that to the fact that people have unrealistic expectations for players, must have 80 clears and all sort of other bs expectations. Most of us were casual and just wanted to play the game for the fun of it.

[@agent00chimp]

I think they're using their proposed "integrate MetroidVania/rogue-like elements into the game" claim is probably to alleviate that issue for their target audiences and older fans to respect their time, but at what cost to their time invested and gear earned over the years? And at what cost to their wallets? I don't see any changes helping. It's sinking fast, but for good this time most likely. As Thanos said "No resurrections this time".

[@LVEMRE]

@agent00chimp i agree. It's a done deal as far as my time investment into the game.

[@ermac5127]

I also have real life, family and job, and more than 8000 hours summarised in both games. Don't tell about your family as an excuse to beg developers make the grindy game not grindy. Choose another game then You play a game which is LITERALLY ABOUT grinding. If you don't like grinding - don't play games with grinding. Call of duty 5-hour singleplayer is what you should play then

[@Williamwillow_]

​​@@ermac5127congrats you're why the game is dead now. Everyone else has "chosen another game"

[@scottt5400]

We can only speculate as to why D2 is declining, but one fact remains is that it IS declining. With the glitches and bugs that I and my clanmates have been experiencing the last few days especially, it's becoming almost unplayable. We have been loyal and consistent players for years, and Bungie has certainly profited off of our love for this game, but I fear those days are drawing to a close. Destiny has been an amazing game, but sadly, it's dying, and has been so every since certain ideologies (that I will not name, but wish I could without fear of being banned) have been pushed in front of game quality and player satisfaction. It's hard not to feel betrayed by Bungie, and the bitterness is real.

[@RoverCaptain]

Layoffs are not the reason why people are leaving. I for one am simply sick of the hamster wheel that is episodes/seasons. Having to clock in just to get moneys worth from the season passes. God forbid that you have any major events in your life that pull you away from Destiny, because now you’re locked out of the content you paid for (former season passes content)

[@ulyssesharo9223]

Im just done with the chase. Shits boring

[@pastatown3272]

You’re boring

[@ulyssesharo9223]

@pastatown3272 facts

[@TeamSevenStar]

@@pastatown3272Emotional

[@gaoexkaiser]

@@TeamSevenStar fr

[@blakestewart7533]

Truth be told, didnt even need a video to know Destiny is in a rough spot. Its just rough to log on.

[@Boo_Yeah]

Weapon crafting killed the game for me. Along with constant screw ups, the drip feeding of content, eververse crap, etc etc.

[@ReelieBun]

They really dropped the ball with most stories that aren't hive focused. Content is rough, often times being delivered half baked and broken, which is even worse when we're getting so little of it. One exotic per class per episode is just awful. If your classes exotic is terrible or is from a playstyle you don't enjoy, then it feels like you got nothing at all. We're 10 years in and have so few class abilities and subclasses to show for it that builds all feel repetitive and pretty solved. New events generally shake out to "Here's 1 new weapon, and a bunch of cosmetics to milk you for." And that isn't even getting into the different player bases. No seasonal crafting and other anti-casual changes left most casual players just walking away because the grind just isn't worth it. Doubly so because we're drowning in amazing games at the moment. "Hardcore" players wanted to be able to speed run the story and grind longer for drops, except they burned through every drop of content and are now stuck in a mind numbing grind they dislike. This also strains high end content because of the casual players leaving, there isn't a healthy population for doing raids etc. That's not even touching on the PvP playerbase who will never be happy between the mix of them being underserved and there being so many diametrically opposed desires for what good PvP even is. I love this universe, and I want to love the game. But more and more it feels like a failing restaurant that is just increasing prices to try and stay afloat instead of making systematic changes to their failing systems. We want to be amazed and floored with fun and choices, not barely kept alive by a trickling dialysis machine. We crave consumer friendly decisions, and player friendly reward designs. We crave a game that we can pour hours into and be rewarded for investing our time. I'm just so tired of the glacial pacing of content. Bungie and Destiny 2 really does feel like a place that is being shown on a "Kitchen Nightmares" episode for games and their producers.

[@desktopbrowser9934]

An ever increasing number of long time players getting burnt out and feeling more and more apathetic towards the lackluster handling of the game post Final Shape, coupled with the frankly horrendous new player experience making it borderline impossible to make up any loss in player numbers. Very sad its gotten to this state but Bungie has no one but themselves to blame.

[@lenardofquirm]

I think a big thing that kills the grind is knowing that whatever you’re getting will be either power crept or have the exact same gun rereleased in a few months in a form where you have to regrind it with slightly better rolls. It drove me crazy how many different hung juries I ended up having from different release cycles

[@franklindonut2899]

Or that the loot is DEFINITIVELY worse! Fuck look at the gos weapons! They didn't even fix the old wack ass stats or give most of them great rolls. Why would I want to grind for sacred (one of my favorite pulse rifles ever) when it feels like shit in the crucible because flinch changes and BLAST FURNACE IS FREE WITH BETTER PERKS AND STATS?! BETTER THAN A FUCKING CRAFTED RAID WEAPON?!

[@magetsalive5162]

"How did this happen?" People feel disrespected, like their time is being wasted, and like the only thing of worth about them to Bungie is the contents of their wallets?

[@Th4tOn36uy]

Me, smoking a suspicious cigarette that Drifter sold me for 500 glimmer: Ah, Tuesday.

[@That_One_Sunshine_Knight]

My guy, it's Friday in California.

[@Greenhawk4]

it's zorbday

[@jameskohler3701]

That’s usually what happens to games that cater to the 1 percent of streamers and not considering the casual fan base

[@Official_Golden]

At this point theyre not even catering to streamers or casuals, they're catering to no one, bungie is lost asf lol

[@lucasbramblett9151]

I don't understand why this isn't the most liked comment....because streamers have ruined gaming

[@ShadowReaperX07]

​@lucasbramblett9151 Who would have thought that being able to play a singular game (I am more tolerant of 'variety' streamers) would.massively warp the perspective of 'how bad the grind is'. Like yes, of course that 1 in 216 Dungeon Weapon doesn't seem too bad. For the layperson, that's on a statistical average 18 hours of farming, if you average 5 minute clears (from load in, to loot). For an average gamer, that's not even possible on a weekend. It's probably just about between 1 hour an evening monday-friday, and 6-7 hours Saturday and Sunday. Just for ONE Dungeon weapon (pre Vespers Host) that's a 2/5. Golly gee, I wonder what else I could do with an average of 18 hours of my life. Of course if you play 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, you have no concept of the idea of a grind for a 'working person'/'casual gamer'.

[@ocularcavity8412]

The problem with Destiny isn't the amount of Grind it is the rewards. Most of our rewards for grinding are lacking in BOTH Quantity and Quality, AND if FOR ANY REASON the quantity goes up EVEN JUST A HAIR by mistake, Bungie KILLS IT WITH FIRE INSTANTLY and they any other bugs the affect us getting our rewards in for weeks, months, or even years (anyone remember Weight Gate)

[@franklindonut2899]

By weight gate do you mean new accounts having better rng to pull in the new players because it still does that. Less hours means more rewards

[@sinad0123]

I don't agree with this

[@ocularcavity8412]

@@franklindonut2899 YEPPERS also if you have Character/class you neglect THEY get better rewards, Also if you stop playing for a while you get better rewards when you come back

[@ocularcavity8412]

@sinad0123 You may not but overall but the fact players are leaving to play almost ANYTHING else shows that Destiny 2 is NOT rewarding, also be honest how much of the weapons and armor that you get in Destiny 2 do you ACTUALLY keep and how much do you INSTANTLLY Scarp seriously think about it

[@franklindonut2899]

@ocularcavity8412 I have played across five accounts. I own two and paid for content on three I damn well know when it takes me MONTHS to get something on my main and I grind it for or with my gf and it takes her acc 1 or two attempts or on my alt it takes two seconds and I just use that one for memes I haven't bought content for it since bitch queef (my main has almost 6000hrs on it)

[@ARealToothbrush]

This is what happens when you don’t have match making. I’m not joining a discord to play a game. People need to realize that I’m the majority player base. Me. The type of player I am. Everyone else says things like “make friends. Find a guild. Etc”. No. I’m not going to do that to play a video game. People like me get off work. We have a few hours to play. I want to load up the game. And play it. Not sit around and try to find a group (LFG)

[@W1nDs0R]

It seems their ethos from the GDC presentation of not over-delivering is paying off exactly as expected. Nice work Bungie management! The game will probably improve once Sony remove Pete Parsons.

[@Phillip_Graves]

Pete Park-The-Car-$on.

[@Smudge7Four]

Leaving D2 after Lightfall was the best decision I've ever made. FOMO killed the game.

[@GunShot2017]

Fomo?

[@Fivept48]

@@GunShot2017fear of missing out. Reason why a lot of seasonal shit is time gated. You didn’t play last season? You missed out on whatever seasonal set they dropped.

[@xZipkan]

The problem with the "must have experience" aspect is that Bungie has removed every single hero opportunity from endgame content. No longer can one player clutch up and carry an encounter if something goes wrong (revive tokens, light fading, multi-person required mechanics, etc.), all endgame content now requires all fireteam members to do exactly the right thing in exactly the right order, otherwise it is a wipe. That is why people don't want to bother with inexperienced people sometimes. It's just a waste of your time most likely.

[@Brandon-butterb1]

i said it once i’ll say it again. cross it’s your day job to play this game, 99.999% of all other people aren’t in that position. and with the holiday season around people have lots of conflicts for their rapidly decreasing free time (especially if you work retail like i do), and when you do hop on a game for a few hours you want that game to respect your time and not error code you in the strike playlist for the nth week in a row (don’t blame it on wi-fi, i have 350mbps to 450mbps ethernet with 11 ping). not to mention the game…well frankly it sucks right now: the acts take all of 2-3 hours (if you actually listen to the story), crucible is the eternal cess pool it’s always been, gambit is dead, no one wants to do raids, and no one wants to do dungeons.

[@cubancarp3019]

All of this for marathon. They have to know marathon is going to be DOA. Between the fact that marathon is trying to be a hero shooter when the genre is declining (with the exception of marvel rivals), is chasing after a small fanbase for extraction shooters, early reviews from those streamers bungie said it wasn’t replayable, and bungie’s horrible reputation of greed, incompetence, and laziness, I just don’t understand how they think it’ll be a success.

[@MarmotLord182]

I don’t know a single person that cares about marathon, it’s such a shame

[@prstechnic1774]

I’ll play it since it’s free but I don’t expect a single thing from it. Maybe like 5-10 hours of gameplay before the repetitiveness sets in and I uninstall. Bungie is cooked. They had such a perfect thing going for them, an amazing universe in Destiny, and a large, dedicated community. They fucked it. They actually managed to fuck it up and turn something that could have been the biggest success in gaming history into a steaming pile of shit. Imagine a world where Bungie didn’t get corrupted by greed… we would still have the OG campaign, the player onboarding system would be great, and contest raids would be world-wide events. It’s so sad. Edits: Grammar

[@MarmotLord182]

@ destiny 1 still slaps

[@spakentruth]

​@@prstechnic1774free isn't going to cut it at least for me. Knowing that support or potential sequel level overhauls to destiny were cut intentionally to hype up a new project in an already populated genre is only going to keep me away. Bungie is not worth it's playerbases support. They don't deserve it.

[@PhilipWeberAB]

Yep, it’s gonna be interesting to see the fallout. I can’t see bungie surviving after it tanks. I’m really dumbfounded why they thought this was a better idea than making Destiny 3. I’ve never seen a developer that sabotages themselves like bungie. Maybe Konami.

[@masonschroeder8910]

I chalk it up to players are just burned out from doing the same thing for 10 years with nothing to change up the formula, and are tired of being milked from all the micro transactions. And I don’t blame players for leaving.

[@Briggsian]

It's tiring to see content come and go with the seasonal, now episodic, model. The rogue-like elements they had added to seasonal content had real potential, if they had just fleshed things out rather than scraping it and moving on. The game doesn't really feel likes it's growing when we keep having yearly contractions after the previous years worth of seasonal content gets shelved.

[@jagerwahl]

As someone who came back in Final Shape....and then left before Revenant, its just not fun. Its not the same as it was. The Final Shape was great....and then there was nothing to do that was worth it

[@pastatown3272]

Tell us more about how you don’t play destiny and just complain

[@jagerwahl]

@pastatown3272 ok well, its very stale. Even the "new" stuff is just re-skins of stuff they took away or even worse stuff that is still in game. There's nothing fundamentally fun or even challenging anymore. What else would you like to know about?

[@lrainwater1608]

@@pastatown3272nobody is playing the game anymore so what’s your point. The players complain too much? They made the game this way so why bother lol

[@agent00chimp]

@@pastatown3272lame comment is beyond lame. Cry harder about people being real about the game pls...

[@slackstarfish8133]

Not developing Destiny 3 was the dumbest thing they’ve done and the amount of D2 players that acted like D3 was a terrible idea is hilarious. It’s like people don’t understand the excitement of an actually new game. People are tired of the boring, pointless monotony of Destiny 2. If they fucked up ANOTHER game launch then that’s because they are a shitty fucking game studio, not because Destiny 3 is a bad idea. D3 is the only way they are going to bring people back to the game because even the shit that D2 players hype up as the greatest thing ever is WAYYYY worse than shit we got during Forsaken and Destiny 1. People have just been playing D2 and have forgotten what we used to get in dlcs. This game is going to continue to fizzle out, and nothing is going to bring people that quit back except a new game. Destiny 2 has been going for like 7 years now and hasn’t innovated shit. There’s isn’t anything actually fresh about the franchise.

[@CRVSE]

They did the one thing that they should never do: drop the ball with pve. Especially after ligthfall. Only a D3 release level of change could stand a chance with this situation.

[@MarkusFortius]

And guess what, I'm not gonna even try Marathon. Great job Bungie, now it's truly a final shape.

[@TheLi0nc0urt]

You always have to remember that less than 10% of the Destiny 2 population across all platforms raids, does GMs, or plays trials. The vast majority of players are solo players who play on weekends or after work.

[@GenXstacker]

That was me for 10 years. The last few months I have got into endgame content and am really enjoying it. Use fireteam finder, watch some videos, get into build crafting specific load outs for various purposes. It's a lot of fun.

[@brianlutz9788]

raises hand

[@Scyth0r]

And Bungie very clearly doesn't want Solo players, especially at higher tiers. Stuff like cooperative missions and the Exotic mission lock content behind mechanics, not skill, so I just walked away with TFS.

[@simonmaduxx6777]

All of this. As much as I would love to try out the last two dungeons and several raids, I'm not studying just to be able to play a game And then have to go through lfg? And then you do all of that for hours and hours just to get some boots. The destiny setup is ancient.. not worth it anymore.

[@ermac5127]

Imagine playing an MMO game that is DESIGNED FOR GROUP PLAY and then cry "i don't want to play in a group" Like, wtf? Solo dads bring nothing into the game, and the game is f'd up right now not because no one cares about solo dads, but because there is nothing major happening, and the game just drowns in bugs

[@mikesande7608]

Join us in WARFRAME! It’s just getting better and better! The Tenno welcome you 🫡

[@Anonymous-m9f9j]

They need to sell the IP to a firm that gives a single fuck about the player base. End of. Bungie are simply washed up, they have no spark they have no respect for players and they can’t innovate. There’s not a single reason for me to reinstall this game, let it die or sell it to a group that puts players first.

[@SuperStormDroid]

With Bungie being owned by Sony, it might only be a matter of time. Some studios under the PlayStation Studios umbrella will likely line up in a bid to buy the Destiny IP.

[@xumbraxiviierenii6428]

Maybe kinda hard find any company that want to deal with Destiny... If they do sell, is for an absolute end...

[@josiahcochran8290]

@@Anonymous-m9f9j selling it to another company is such a bad idea. The amount of complexity and time it would take to transfer that over and get all new devs working behind the scenes could take years. This game has months left from the comments considerations.

[@lax4359]

@@josiahcochran8290 exactly

[@somefitcarguy]

Havent touched it since forsaken. I miss D1. D2 is the epitome of greed and everything wrong with modern gaming

[@Shaniqua_Ratchet]

DCV makes it impossible to bring in new players. Inevitable D2 would eventually burn itself out. Bungie will be dissolved when Marathon fails, and that’s a wrap fellas

[@mixanblend]

GETTING bad? Bruh…I stopped playing this game 18 months ago. As soon as they had to patch in story content (Veil) I knew it was over. I continued playing until no one from my friends list (of dozens) came online for a week and I had no one to join on to pop challenges and bounties. Did not come back for Final Shape even though I would have played the campaign but even the people who introduced me to the game had zero interest. Now they won’t even talk about the game at all. I hope that the suffering of people who continue to play Destiny 2 does not last much longer and that they recover from their addiction successfully thereafter.