Porsche 911 Turbo (996) 2002 vs 911 Carrera (992) 2022 | Fifth Gear 20th Anniversary

To celebrate 20 years (yes, 20 years!) of Fifth Gear, Jason Plato is behind the wheel of a Porsche 911 Turbo (996) - which was first featured on the show in October 2002 - against the modern Porsche 911 Carrera (992)! Make sure you are subscribed for more 20th anniversary shoot-outs coming soon!
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[@fifthgearuk]

Make sure you're subscribed for more 20th anniversary shoot-outs coming soon!

[@disturbed250]

Yes more of this! Saw a Z in it... Better be one of them lol

[@8359s]

Guys it makes 440 stock, and Carrera S does 520, Porsche lies about the numbers ;)

[@chillout1109]

We still want to see a shootout between the 996 Turbo vs the 992 Turbo S (just for laughs, since we already know the results)

[@sukhdevr3489]

@@8359s Why would Porsche under value it's power? Surely they'd do the opposite?

[@8359s]

@@sukhdevr3489 Don't know why, but now they do in case of 992, this is also the case regarding Macan S/GTS, they are also doing the same with 0-60 times but for much longer.

[@Haaanes]

The 996 Turbo has a timeless look, can't believe it's already 20 years old

[@charliecharlie8621]

Maybe its just because I was a kid when this model came out but I simply ADORE the front fascia on the 996 turbo.

[@hakeemsd70m]

Same, it's my 2nd favorite 911 of all time after the 996 GT3.

[@jameswillard1]

996 Turbo is still a great looking car in my (unpopular) opinion

[@jimsteinway695]

Probably the best value in super cars today

[@jameswillard1]

@@jimsteinway695 eh, a lot less so now at these current prices 😬

[@TIWNA851]

It’s definitely grown into its looks! Something the 992 can only hope for!

[@joshspades9031]

@@jameswillard1 what you say the average price is for one of these in today's standards? And what'd it actually worth?

[@fartloudYT]

I think it looks better than every 911 that came afterwards. The best thing the new ones have going is the 80s styled break light, the front is bland as f.

[@H4rleyBoy]

Plato is great at this, zero BS.

[@lgz2006]

Let haters hate the 996 so I can have a 996 Turbo S for me to love it all I want, that's how much I love the 996 generation.

[@N911GT2]

It's a great car. And to be honest it's the one with the most character probably.

[@KrustyKlown]

The 996TT hate has subsided ... prices have almost doubled in last several years.

[@LarryBishop69]

Yeah same , I’ve had 2 of em , starting to appreciate in price now unfortunately.

[@lgz2006]

@@LarryBishop69 at least that's a proof that 996 are awesome

[@LarryBishop69]

@@lgz2006 The car was sorted when I got it and had virtually no problems during my time with them , 2006-2014.

[@pablos3563]

The 996 is a one of the most beautiful and distinctive bodies in all 911 history. Still love it a lot

[@castroorstad8215]

No, its the ugliest 911. And thats a fact.

[@pablos3563]

@@castroorstad8215 your momma is ugliest one, but 996 is beautiful one. It's a fact

[@castroorstad8215]

@@pablos3563 Ha ha, you dont know that and thats a fact. 99% of people think 996 is ugly, and that is also a fact.

[@pablos3563]

@@castroorstad8215 OK, you right. And now I wish you good luck on therapy in your mental hospital. Or hospice

[@RogueBeatsARG]

@@castroorstad8215 talk for yourself

[@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13]

It won't be a proper celebration of the anniversary without Tiff.

[@Leonidae]

Tiff is old enough to break a hip during automotive shenanigans..

[@wl2486]

@@Leonidae nonsense, yes he’s old but he’s still an amazing driver

[@samuelgarrod8327]

Don't try to tell other people what to do.

[@Birmingham_racing]

996 turbo still looks gorgeous

[@johnsmith-xw4ez]

996 Turbo & 959 are my favorites 911.

[@adamevo6]

Totally agree and the 996 gt2 clubsport in silver is perfect

[@ashleeducote7913]

The difference in transmission performance alone is a massive advantage for the 992.

[@jamsxr]

Is the manual box that much better?

[@Supcharged]

@@jamsxr The 992 is PDK and the 996 is manual and not Tiptronic.

[@RichardWarner-df7dz]

Yes pdk is my faster then a manual. More fun. No much less. I have both.

[@N911GT2]

The 996 has loads more character. The 992 is just as exciting as a modern fridge.

[@xavman1674]

Yep + 996 is 100% Porsche and 992 Volkswagen 😅

[@saymyname218]

3 seconds is impressive. That 996 is a beast.

[@radekw708]

The 996 turbo never had the fried egg headlights neither did the 996.2, it was 996.1 (non-turbo trims) that had the shape and the amber indicators gave it a fried egg look.

[@desiday7070]

Thank you. They always get it wrong, and the reason people criticised the Mk1 996 3.4 is because the cheaper Boxter had the same headlights, but the Boxter never had those headlights.

[@vandalorianvandalorian4769]

I just finished a comparison between a 2003 996 turbo X-50 and a 2020 992 turbo S. Both cars belong to my boss and he had me drive the one car 300 miles to his vacation home where I parked it and drove the other one 300 miles back. I love the 996 because I had one and I’ve been caring for this one for 14 years. It’s smaller, more nimble and engaging to drive as a 6 speed manual. However, the 992 turbo S is an amazing machine. So fast! So refined! The perfect GT car! Just two pedals. Go and stop! The engine transmission combo work in concert that’s remarkable in that one can comfortably cruise at 100 mph and punch it for immediate acceleration! The car is so planted and delivers a heightened sense control with all the technology that makes it so. If I could pick only one, the 996 most definitely!

[@czabob2500]

If someone as experienced as Jason excites something, You know that this is special

[@larssonnsx]

The size difference is shocking!

[@js002003]

I think I prefer the look of the 996 with the fried egg headlights and all. Its the perfect size.

[@SunRise-ul7ko]

3 seconds is significant. Hopefully the Turbo has a new set of tyres, as even 5 year old tyres can affect lap times significantly.

[@napalmhotdog4365]

Really depends on how used they are

[@KarmaticEvolution]

@@napalmhotdog4365 And the age, 5+yrs is hard (slippery) rubber!

[@pcar928fan]

That was awesome! Love watching Jason flog those 911s around! Such great cars! I’d happily take either of those!

[@onlyforrent]

[@tjabaley]

Very interesting video. I love all the 911 versions. But I have a 2021 carerra specced similar to the car in the video, just added sport Chrono and the S sized wheels. It is truly wonderful. Very balanced package. All I could ever want for the road. Love it to bits.

[@desiday7070]

Those lights look great now, as all other 911s have round lights.

[@KosmicHRTRacingTeam]

Ya. I am not seeing 3 full seconds in such a small lap. Nordschleife Times are more like 10-15 seconds difference but that is a 7 1/2 to 8 min track. Extrapolate that the way you want, but no where near this difference (and this is comparing old tire tech on the 996 vs new on the 992 which would dramatically narrow that difference). I’m not even a huge 996 fan, but this info is a little odd

[@giorx5]

Tire width and grip (because of newest tech) is the big factor.

[@liamjohnhawkins4212]

Also what tyres are on the turbo compared to the brand new 992.

[@stephennaeve1640]

@@liamjohnhawkins4212 Completely agree. Tires can make a huge difference.

[@hugohugo2832]

Excellent. I’ve a 996 Turbo pushed to 500 bhp. Mind you, I can’t afford a 992. For £90k you can get a 991 Turbo which would be my choice at that price. My 996 cost £110k new. It’s cost me about £38k all in over three years.

[@yetidh9]

Old car is cheaper than brand new car shocker!

[@ianjames3078]

Paid £18k 7 years ago……they really shot up after that.

[@KosmicHRTRacingTeam]

3 seconds on a track that short is huge. I’m not seeing that kind of delta between these variants. It does appear that the 992 is PDK. Perhaps the 996 has 20 year old tires? Let’s compare manuals AND run same exact specific tire set up. The 992 is probably still quicker, but not by that massive amount.

[@jordanmascarenhas7974]

🍎 TO 🍊 The 996 turbo in this comparison was manual, while the base 992 is dual clutch auto. Huge difference

[@peckerpeter2078]

3.6L vs 3.0L huge difference. Wonder what boost levels were on both as well as turbo size.

[@xliu37]

@@peckerpeter2078996 about 0.9 bar

[@filipdvl6776]

Manual 996 TTs (as GT2) will explode in value imho

[@ianjames3078]

They already have.

[@stephennaeve1640]

Tell me about it. I owned a 996 Turbo with the X 51 package, 996 GT2, 996 GT3, 997 GT3RS, and a Carrera GT. Bought very one of them new. If I still had them I would be (on paper) much richer than I am today.

[@noobymcnoobs]

What really surprises me is the lap time of the 996. The 996 owners club had a track day at Llandow a few years ago and Gemma did a 49 second lap in a C4 tip convertible. Really surprised to see that a professional driver can only nock less than 2 seconds off that’s driving a turbo.

[@onehorsepower]

Bit moist lap here...

[@noobymcnoobs]

@@onehorsepower it was wet the day we were there as well. It’s wales what do you expect? Skip to 3 minutes in you will see what I mean. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpOtp4mEh8yVirs this is from when we were all out early in the day learning the track the fast laps where when there weren’t loads of cars out at once

[@yetidh9]

Same tyres?

[@technom3598]

2 seconds is an eternity on a 49 second lap

[@noobymcnoobs]

@@technom3598 I agree 2 seconds is a bug gap on a small track but Jason Plato is a professional racing driver and you would expect a professional racing driver who has won the British touring car championship more than once to be much faster than a project manager from Plymouth if they were driving the same car but add in that he has a turbo with over 100bhp more plus better brakes suspension and being a coupe not a convertible so should handle better you would have thought there would be a much bigger gap.

[@maccmike8]

Turbo please.

[@tedwarner1041]

996 Turbo S with good tires. Then we would see. Ceramic brakes and 50hp more. Also a 2 min cobb tune for over 500hp. Well then, newer 911 toast for sure

[@MilesHardy]

Excited to see this! I had a fabulous time on the day (thanks for the invite) and to see what Jason made of HPC Classics stock 996 Turbo. (Which is avaible to purchase now on our website!) :)

[@ianjames3078]

Non stock rear spoiler?

[@MilesHardy]

@@ianjames3078 It is the factory aero kit. All optioned from Stuttgart when new!

[@ianjames3078]

@@MilesHardy I never realised there was an aero option for the 996 turbo, what option code was that? I believe a lot have since been converted to fixed rear spoilers as a cheaper option than fixing broken hydraulic rams on the std spoiler.

[@rossbethell4187]

The 996 has definitely aged better than JP or was this a deliberate point to make him look like a an old farmer?

[@natefxx]

Modern tires + pdk = most of those three seconds

[@boxstclever5450]

I doubt the 996 was on 20 year old tyres 😂

[@Andrei_K1G1K]

I bet 2 out of those 3 seconds is down to suspension upgrades. Did they run the Turbo with 20 year-old tires too? LOL

[@TIWNA851]

Great little video from Fifth Gear! I have to admit that the 996 has aged well and has grown into its looks, as for the 992…..maybe we will be saying the same thing in 20 years time? Looks wise, the rear end is voluptuous, sadly, in a Kardashian kind of way; they’ve both overdone it a little! Also, the silhouette of the 992 has gone a little too much Cayman for my liking!

[@BlitzkriegRap]

Love watching Plato's take on cars

[@RS-jb1lf]

Can you run a 996 GT3 vs the base 992 as well, pls?

[@gryphon123456]

But it’s hard to make up for the uninterrupted feel of the earlier Porsches. As I get on in age I’d take feel over speed every time.

[@jameswillard1]

Uninterrupted how exactly? Just curious what you’re referring to?

[@gryphon123456]

@@jameswillard1 just less nanny technology between the driver and the car which can often take away the driving feel.

[@jameswillard1]

@@gryphon123456 oh gotcha 👍🏻

[@Bmwguy2011]

Should we even mention the S word? Steering? The new electric steering is garbage. And when the 996 turbo is selling for $200,000 on the used market 10 years from now, the new one with the phony simulated steering and slush box will be handily depreciating.

[@N911GT2]

@@Bmwguy2011 $200,000? Where? A good 996 Turbo does about 1/4 of that a great one about half. I love the 996TT (I had one, but your prices are a bit off)

[@roadmantop3769]

was the 996 not a manual and the 992 a PDK ?

[@nathanthomas8184]

Just the evolution of camera/film & display makes the encounter sublime

[@adamfreeman3000]

To not even reference tyres is pretty rookie guys.... 20 years tyre development will be at least half that lap time, and thats assuming the 996 is on rubber of a similar age to the 991 (almost definitely the 996's tyres will be several years old).

[@Chris.Davies]

No mention of the Le Mans winning Mezger motor in the 996 Turbo? One of the greatest engines of all time. Also, no mention of the fact that that 996 Turbo is effectively 2/3rds of a 959, except in a better looking body shell, that is much stiffer than the ancient and ugly 959. Also, no mention of how mind-bogglingly stupid it is to have round headlights with 4 rectangular LEDs in them! Why?

[@neuntwelven]

Fun video. There should be a progression in 20 years, but the 996 Turbo holds up very well. The PDK shifts in less than 0.1 seconds. The manual is about 0.3 seconds per shift for a very good driver. How many shifts per lap? Comparing a 2022 manual would be better. A 2022 is 125kg heavier with AWD. No mention of tire type, size or age on either car. HP to weight is similar. Torque to weight is much better in the 996 Turbo. Headlights : Nobody complained about the remarkably similar headlights on the Porsche GT1 that won Le Mans before the 996 came out. The big 996 headlight complaint was they looked the same on the entry level Boxster. People wanted their double priced car to be easily distinguished.

[@eugenux]

lovely!, looking forward for the gry vs evo8 video. 😁

[@mohammedziauddin601]

The most important stat is the price for each adjusted for inflation for each car...prices have inflated to a point of diminishing returns. I think older cars are better bang for the buck.

[@adimazga]

996 Turbo M ❤ A ❤ N ❤ U ❤ A ❤L

[@onehorsepower]

20 year old tyres on that 996TT?? Or new? Can't take this very serious without that kind of information....

[@waynesimpson2074]

20yr old tyres in the UK, with our heat cycles? They would be perished and delaminated. They must have recent rubber on that 996 just for safety's sake?

[@lblesbowden6748]

I own a 2014 991.1 C4S optioned out with Sports Chrono, PASM, Sport Exhaust, PDLS+, Sport Design Package, etc. While I can appreciate the sounds of the turbo motors, I absolutely adore the symphony of non-artificial sounds emanating from my naturally aspirated 3.8, the last NA model series short of the GT track weapons. I love my car!

[@RS-jb1lf]

Great video! Would be great to see on with Jason comparing the 997 turbo as well. Also was this 992 manual or PDK?

[@xliu37]

Pdk, stick only for S model or above

[@RS-jb1lf]

@@xliu37 Thanks!

[@stzw613]

"The Hammond cap" LOL

[@getdealtwithquick]

On a slow track like this, the wider track, lighter weight and faster transmission will make a huge difference. The comments re tires are speculation.

[@dragon23ggg]

575 Maranello vs 812 Competizione, greetings from Bulgarian fan from Germany who loves Porsches 😁

[@XvXLiiPPzXvX]

Throw a tune on that 996 (which in my opinion every single one needs) I think they might be crossing the line same time. I have a 2002 996 turbo tune and catless exhaust. I was pulling away from a 992 carrera on roll race.

[@bobbyreds3015]

Same here, even when I was untuned with just a catless exhaust I walked one down like it was standing still. With the tune done, it is a nightmare for all who don't know what it is capable of doing.

[@clubracer6]

Been staying away since Tiff left, but I really was curious about this comparison. Tiff would have talked a mount the way it felt. Back to Love Cars.

[@bluesky9093]

Thanks for doing this video, so often I hear - well you can always buy the bargain priced based Carrera, as if to make it sound like you are buying a tricked out Toyota Prius. Let’s recognize the Carrera for what it is, a great sports car for daily driving and weekend cruise. Sure you can buy the GT cars or the new Turbo, but unless you live near an Autobahn or plan to take them to a track, the vast majority will never experience the capabilities of those cars. Let’s face it you need 100 mph + to truly feel the effects of the aero on a GT car. I’ve owned the GT and Carreras, what remains in the garage are the Carreras with a vintage 911 to spice it up a bit.

[@andrewgiblin3468]

The upgrade to do is the new version of the stereo system with apple CarPlay etc. With that it’s the better car over anything modern.

[@spencer.kissack.the.author]

That was a very interesting video. I didn't know the modern entry level 911 992 has twin turbos. & I'm surprised it was _that much_ quicker (especially over such a short distance) It has flappy paddles of course, which will save what? 6/10ths a second each change..? Interesting though

[@DailyisRaceCar]

Manual vs PDK…come on guys, do some basic like for like, gives the older cars a fighting chance

[@jonlyons1033]

Bring back Tiff. Pay him a lot. Not BBC Clarkson lots, But, be kind. Give him a 2 year contract.

[@MT-ou3lh]

Tires on the 996?

[@kevincoombs7348]

You overtook me coming out of Thruxton in your Cayenne Turbo with your personal numberplate a few years ago. Just ahead was a police speed camera. I always wondered... PS you were attending a Chris Evans Ferrari day I think.

[@SapphireSamC]

Brilliantly interesting review and comparison JP. Love it. Would be awesome to see you take the Peugeot 308 Gti 270 around Llandow (against a 20 yrs older 306 Gti-6). I believe the time for the 308 would be comparable to the 996 911 Turbo!

[@wl2486]

I drove a 992 Carrera S through some of America’s best driving roads last year, as a rental. Put almost 1100 miles on it in 4 days, all throughout Nevada and Southern California. And my takeaway was… who could ever need more? It did 0-60 in less than 4 seconds, it had insane levels of grip, comfort/usability… I’m sure if I drove a GT3 or a Turbo I’d have had an even bigger grin on my face. But considering how powerful and well-sorted the more “basic” 911s are, they almost seem like overkill.

[@OnTheRailTV]

The new Carrera with the PDK is probably a couple seconds faster then the manual version. PDK is amazing for lap and drag times. So if it was a manual to manual comparison I wonder how it would have turned out. Probably close to even.

[@exoroxx]

There is no real base model with a manual. The Carrera T is a faster, sportier and more expensive version, the Carrera S has more power and is also much more expensive. It can be fair to highlight the evolution of the gearbox. The old Tiptronic was a shitbox.

[@chillout1109]

We still want to see a shootout between the 996 Turbo vs the 992 Turbo S (just for laughs, since we already know the results)

[@RogueBeatsARG]

Tbh looks very good, the aero parts and the wheels specially

[@digilux4017]

Wrong about the fact on the 996. The only part on the gt3 and turbo is the 930 drysump block comes from the earlier air cooled 911

[@benlotus2703]

Excellent video 10/10

[@Niracka1]

Be interested in what tyre each car was on?

[@lotusesprit38]

Wheres Tiff? No Tiff, bye bye F. Gear

[@ItsCostanza]

The 996 is beautiful, especially compared to modern cars. It’s aging very well, imo

[@johnporter8272]

I love my 996 turbo passionately. :)

[@cjpriustt]

Spend a few thousands to freshen up a stock 996TT with stage 1 ecu flash, exhausts, new shocks and shoes and it’ll be a modern car all over again.

[@lawrencehomik3962]

What tires were used on both cars? The stock 996tt tire were sport contact 2, basically an all season street tire, in an era before the Nuremberg ring time was so revered. That was a terrible track tire and to compare apples to apples matching tires is paramount. I have tracked the 996tt in both stock set up and with proper modern tires and the difference is night and day!

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

I've owned some of these, including the 996 Turbo. I will say, besides the obviously modern Porsche dashboard and superior electronics, the 7500rpm redline of the 992 is welcome. I found the lower limit of my Turbo (around 6700) annoying, esp. when compared to the GT3 at 9000rpm. It's surprisingly easy to run out of revs while you're focusing on the road.

[@jedidiahsteele7847]

I Love the RETRO Feel of the Channel....Althought I shooritn in 4K would be Better and More Modern...VR

[@Supcharged]

Wonder if a 996 GT2 (483hp variant) with new tyres would have been able to topple the new Carrera.

[@danmayberry1185]

The second-place ghost car is a highlight for me.

[@ianjames3078]

Regret selling my 996 turbo

[@1986ALC]

Jason also advanced a lot as a journalist over these years.

[@Angry-Lynx]

only 60kgs lighter despite being 2wd now thats 20 years of "progress" 😂😂👌👌

[@thirdlawofmotion]

OH MY DAYS 20 YEARS 😳

[@claudio6175]

What tires did the 911 turbo have? I would think the tyres played a big part of the time difference

[@nevilmandil8556]

I remember I used to record the episodes on vhs.

[@dsamusic5043]

There's no substitute for class and the 996 has that in spades

[@fruitking6916]

Wouldn’t mind seeing what a top of range 992 can do

[@Ethan-wr2os]

The new GT3 RS has the Nürburgring record for the fastest lap time for a naturally-aspirated car

[@benbustama3430]

Great video. Porsche, always stretching the limits… Gotta love the Big P! Cheers/B

[@onemanandhisboy.3996]

Do a vw transporter comparison

[@redflame4389]

Take the manual turbo all day. Much more analog.

[@retrophil8241]

I'd like to see a Vauxhall Nova GSI against a Vauxhall Corsa VXR. But yes would be impossible to arrange and the years is off target.

[@batmanfromhell]

Comparing a turbo to a non turbo? Comparing manual gear to PDK??? What kind of a test was this?

[@robinpelletstovesuk9194]

Which car was more fun and more exhilarating around the track?

[@PietroShitzberg]

39,000 miles in that 996, what a shame, it’s hardly been driven.

[@konholio2]

need for speed 5 vibes

[@vonbarrel5023]

Very, very interesting comparison 👏 Just more new content please 😘

[@bicyclist2]

I'd always prefer the 996 as it has a manual. Unfortunately you have to get a Carrera S 992 to get a manual transmission. Thank you.

[@stevend3753]

Wonder how much of that 3 seconds can be attributed to the PDK alone.....

[@tte_si]

Shame the 992 was on PZERO'S .....

[@stupideejay]

Get this programme back on TV.......PLEASE