Film Theory: Is Suicide Squad's Joker ACTUALLY Batman's Boy Wonder?

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@jakson6109
@jakson6109 3 жыл бұрын
This theory is even more interesting after watching Zack Snyder’s Justice League. In the final Knightmare scene, Joker talks about Robin and he says “Why would you send the Boy Wonder to do a man’s job?” This could be Batman sending Robin to attack the first Joker but then Robin gets turned into the Joker.
@justinwalsworth6673
@justinwalsworth6673 3 жыл бұрын
Zack Snyder was asked if Jared Leto’s Joker was Robin during the watch party and he said No. So this theory has been deconfirmed as of March 18th.
@jakson6109
@jakson6109 3 жыл бұрын
@@justinwalsworth6673 oh. That’s a shame.
@justinwalsworth6673
@justinwalsworth6673 3 жыл бұрын
@@jakson6109 Yeah, I was hoping that he would be the dead Robin but then Zack said Jared wasn’t Robin which deconfirmed one of my favorite theories.
@_b_moll
@_b_moll 3 жыл бұрын
i still think Mat has a good theory about this, even if it's disconfirmed that he's Joker, having to do with Robin protecting Lois Lane and them getting killed by Darkseid or something else
@timothyburns2642
@timothyburns2642 3 жыл бұрын
Justin Walsworth I mean he may of said that to not make everyone think that Joker is robin, or he might not know who the joker is yet.
@Kardiac_Kidd_Jr
@Kardiac_Kidd_Jr 5 жыл бұрын
This vid made me realize how much work he actually put into these like his edits r so unnecessary but it probably took for ever
@clutch1620
@clutch1620 5 жыл бұрын
This makes Jared's Joker make sense imo
@ui-scummy7385
@ui-scummy7385 4 жыл бұрын
Ive always thought this joker was pretty good ppl just be hating lmao
@silversmoke4159
@silversmoke4159 4 жыл бұрын
Jason todd is in his late teen or early 20s, jared Leto is 48 years old.
@Ryan-pg1tw
@Ryan-pg1tw 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe you should express yourself more respectful
@johnfic4751
@johnfic4751 4 жыл бұрын
Dumbest thing ever proposed. But fans do have a lot of strange ideas.
@spam4239
@spam4239 4 жыл бұрын
Yes
@charlesgoehring6615
@charlesgoehring6615 2 жыл бұрын
Loved this video, but i think the bullet holes on the robin suit compared to the joker's scars is the most telling reason. That's not a mistake, nor a coincidence.
@animatedstockfootage3999
@animatedstockfootage3999 4 жыл бұрын
Best evidence for Joker being a former Robin is that he is still alive, even though Batman is a cold blooded killer in DCEU.
@cowboy557
@cowboy557 3 жыл бұрын
Well Michael Keaton batman killed people to so I feel like you shouldn't be that harsh
@ethanveda1271
@ethanveda1271 3 жыл бұрын
@@cowboy557 weird thing to add but every live action Batman in movies except for George Clooney has killed someone. Keaton's, Kilmer's, Bale's and Afleck's Batman have murdered a character on screen. I'd say it's harsh to hate on Afleck too...
@rphb5870
@rphb5870 3 жыл бұрын
isn't the theory that the joker and batman are the same person (two different personalities of the same mind) not more plausible?
@msingh9115
@msingh9115 3 жыл бұрын
@@cowboy557 And he also killed the Joker.
@cowboy557
@cowboy557 3 жыл бұрын
@@msingh9115 plus the penguin
@mika-animations
@mika-animations 4 жыл бұрын
95%: Joker is robin theory 5%: Whining about Jimmy Olsen being killed off.
@pbrn2533
@pbrn2533 4 жыл бұрын
Superman fans were pissed and I don't blame them lol
@altalia07
@altalia07 4 жыл бұрын
Even if you didn’t remember/know who jimmy olsen was, he will always play an important role
@happykid903
@happykid903 3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@happykid903
@happykid903 3 жыл бұрын
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@irenewalters976
@irenewalters976 3 жыл бұрын
@@happykid903 wonderful comment
@rorycollier4961
@rorycollier4961 5 жыл бұрын
This theory might just salvage my opinion on Leto's Joker.
@AlfredFJones1776
@AlfredFJones1776 5 жыл бұрын
Rory Collier I liked Leto Joker. Movie was bad. With a good script and direction, the character could be great.
@blackblaze4830
@blackblaze4830 5 жыл бұрын
Letos joker really looks younger than batman so the theory looks legit they can make a good story how this joker is made maybe it's gonna be good
@wisewigga7129
@wisewigga7129 5 жыл бұрын
@@AlfredFJones1776 how can someone like that joker he doesnt feel like joker he feels like a street thug joker wannabe
@ewedcweeaboo8198
@ewedcweeaboo8198 5 жыл бұрын
Thinking the same thing too after watching this theory. I always found the stories of Joker messing with Batman after torturing those close to him, especially his Robins. So does that mean Harley did this to Tim Drake because her actual 'Puddin' is dead to replace him?
@dingusdongusa
@dingusdongusa 5 жыл бұрын
imagine a future movie to fix suicide squad joker (no way they would do this) BUT cannon this entire theory, then make harley the reason tim drake has all those tattoos, she put them on him and rewrote his past, trying to turn him into her puppet, using those tattoos as "proof" of her stories about his past, to create a partner more "damaged" then she is so she seems "normal" by comparison. in a future movie, letos joker being put on blast by the REAL joker who harley was inspired to make this puppet of. "real joker" could be quippy and say things like "you thought him, to be me? dont... make.. me.... laugh...." real joker then coming out of hiding >for whatever reason he was in hiding, superman maybe, plotting< , harley sees the real "mr J" and leaves leto to seek her "true puddin" , leaving tim drake to have an identity crises, batman attempting to have him remember who he is and failing, having to put him down, big sad. breaking the bat man, making him have a bloodlust to see real joker dead. joker having had time to have a plan, a crew, a plan withen his original plan with backup plans of backup plans, bad puns at every turn which he laughs at, harley trying to get his attention only to have him push her aside,... like out a window. but her obsession she only enhanced by her time together with her watered down creation (tim drake), haves her to try again and again, so joker "agrees" to use her as a pawn, to get the batman close, only to toy with him further. as batman saw harley as a reminder of his lost partner, wanting to save her from herself because he couldnt save tim from HImself. from TIMSELF if you would. this sets up plent of motivations, cleans up the past joker, brings in a better designed joker to be a bigger threat. gives harley more screentime with actual reason for her being there. playing on her mental illness, giving joker a proper "relationship" with her. fan service to have robin in the movies, a new low point for batman. could even have real joker reference how poor of an imitation tim drake was, and how insulting it was for harley to latch onto tim with himself in mind. this didnt take much thought, just a jumping off point, i tried to keep it short, hope you enjoyed my fan fic that i made up as i went.
@adambomb2236
@adambomb2236 3 жыл бұрын
Snyder cut proved this even more "Why send a boy wonder to do a man's job?"
@justinwalsworth6673
@justinwalsworth6673 3 жыл бұрын
Zack Snyder deconfirmed the theory during the ZSJL Watchparty where he was asked “Is Jared Leto’s Joker Robin” And he said No.
@LuisSierra42
@LuisSierra42 3 жыл бұрын
@its the sound of da police maybe he just said that so that people stop asking
@benjaminlore6633
@benjaminlore6633 3 жыл бұрын
@Mr.Springtrap directors and other movie workers lie all the time to keep big reveals hidden until they are revealed
@abmf01
@abmf01 3 жыл бұрын
I thought it seemed pretty clear that he meant the DCEU robin suffered the same fate as jason todd,,,
@waiminaung2114
@waiminaung2114 3 жыл бұрын
Autually joker said “why you sent your boy wonder to do a man's job?”
@TheStudiousDog
@TheStudiousDog 4 жыл бұрын
Fans: how many robins have turned into joker?! Batman: yes
@ShaggyTheClown17
@ShaggyTheClown17 4 жыл бұрын
@@thekingofracoons will there ever be a straightforward plot considering the push and pull between the "woke" and the classic also considering how far off the series has gotten with different timelines and plots about all with the same relevance as the xmen mortal kombat and terminator movies combined? Magic 8ball-"....*kills self*....."
@TheWeekndGaming
@TheWeekndGaming 4 жыл бұрын
How many breads have you eaten in your life?
@TheWeekndGaming
@TheWeekndGaming 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheStudiousDog kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJvXcmZmebaXerc
@docrofreborn7497
@docrofreborn7497 3 жыл бұрын
Has... Damian or Stephanie been the Joker?
@joshuashelton6355
@joshuashelton6355 3 жыл бұрын
In Batman Beyond the Joker was the old Robin. I think it was Jason Todd.
@rye3713
@rye3713 4 жыл бұрын
this gives me a whole new perspective of Robin in "teen titans go"
@fakename3440
@fakename3440 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah and that theory also reminds me of that one episode in teen titans go where all the titans sneak in tye batcave and everybody breaks Batman's stuff and Robin is super nervous about how Batman will react to this. At the end, he doesn't really care about Batman and writes on his car with spray paint "From Joker".
@Ram-es3hc
@Ram-es3hc 4 жыл бұрын
@@fakename3440 omg i did not think of that!
@chaoshenrysevenstickmin3148
@chaoshenrysevenstickmin3148 4 жыл бұрын
@@Ram-es3hc it was a joke
@Ram-es3hc
@Ram-es3hc 4 жыл бұрын
@@chaoshenrysevenstickmin3148 idk
@chaoshenrysevenstickmin3148
@chaoshenrysevenstickmin3148 4 жыл бұрын
@@Ram-es3hc it's ok now u know he was pranking batm
@katandwinchestofcourse8805
@katandwinchestofcourse8805 6 жыл бұрын
I think I could explain the bird tattoo it means joker killed robin you know because it has an arrow going through a robin Or it could mean he knew he was robin and he saying that robin is gone and he is here
@PotatoCrusader982
@PotatoCrusader982 6 жыл бұрын
Kaydence Brown an arrow
@PotatoCrusader982
@PotatoCrusader982 6 жыл бұрын
Kaydence Brown really doesn't mean anything to Jason or any other robin
@seanbeck7746
@seanbeck7746 6 жыл бұрын
agree
@Hupin_Live
@Hupin_Live 6 жыл бұрын
It could mean that Robbin is dead he is joker now
@spec5124
@spec5124 6 жыл бұрын
Or it could just mean "Robin Hood"😉
@ezradja
@ezradja 3 жыл бұрын
in Snyder Cut Justice League, in the xtended scene when Bruce Wayne got the dream, meeting with Joker, the dialogue was actually supporting this theory.
@murki5704
@murki5704 7 жыл бұрын
*This Theory is better than the actual movie*
@Shala69
@Shala69 7 жыл бұрын
*both of the movies*
@hilotakenaka
@hilotakenaka 7 жыл бұрын
Shala And even the theory was bad!
@nopeyepp
@nopeyepp 7 жыл бұрын
Toffolus bless you
@Aithermaster
@Aithermaster 7 жыл бұрын
It wasn't bad it just wasn't up to mat's usual standards
@itsmaul6693
@itsmaul6693 7 жыл бұрын
*This reply is better than the actual comment*
@romondoto2630
@romondoto2630 4 жыл бұрын
Being picked by batman to be Robin is literally a death sentence
@jaysanders1347
@jaysanders1347 3 жыл бұрын
how tf
@bathcitytv5859
@bathcitytv5859 3 жыл бұрын
@@jaysanders1347 because every robin gets tortured by the joker
@RandomPerson-iv2cg
@RandomPerson-iv2cg 3 жыл бұрын
@@bathcitytv5859 I think thats kinda one of the drawbacks of being a superhero
@mrscenepackman
@mrscenepackman 3 жыл бұрын
@@bathcitytv5859 uhh.. to be honest the only robin that was tortured... was jason. Look im not old to DC, so if im wrong so dont get mad at me.
@randomperson9482
@randomperson9482 3 жыл бұрын
@@mrscenepackman Yeah but being a child that fights against crime in Gotham, like, GOTHAM, should probably cause a lot of trauma.
@catgaming9369
@catgaming9369 5 жыл бұрын
Teen titans robin is the robin that used the staff. Coincidense? I Think Not
@heytherebudwantsomecandy5651
@heytherebudwantsomecandy5651 5 жыл бұрын
Cat gaming dick Grayson?
@elliesenpai7765
@elliesenpai7765 5 жыл бұрын
*coincidence
@elliesenpai7765
@elliesenpai7765 5 жыл бұрын
not to mention, in the comics Dick Grayson aka Nightwing was one of the core members of the original Teen Titans
@Donpork7
@Donpork7 5 жыл бұрын
hey there bud want some candy? Not dick. Tim.
@felixsubakti6907
@felixsubakti6907 5 жыл бұрын
@@Donpork7 he became Nightwing during the time travel episode, it's dick Grayson. Except if you mentioned the Titans life action series or the teen Titans go
@thelg8064
@thelg8064 3 жыл бұрын
MatPat: *3* Robins Damien Wayne: Imma End this Man Whole career
@thatdogyoumetinmexico8142
@thatdogyoumetinmexico8142 3 жыл бұрын
He said 4, he forgot to say Damian but future mat corrected himself
@thatdogyoumetinmexico8142
@thatdogyoumetinmexico8142 3 жыл бұрын
3:37
@evillioustrash
@evillioustrash 8 ай бұрын
RIP Stephanie Brown, died as Robin and was immediately forgotten lol
@blyt7
@blyt7 8 ай бұрын
dude damian is the worst
@Titanic-wo6bq
@Titanic-wo6bq 4 жыл бұрын
10:24 "If you zoom in a bunch of times an enhance it is says" all I see is blur,
@gblackcat66
@gblackcat66 4 жыл бұрын
same
@kasen1013
@kasen1013 4 жыл бұрын
Same to
@doooodle5603
@doooodle5603 3 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, blur the iconic robin.
@mickey4697
@mickey4697 4 жыл бұрын
First time I heard David say that “Jason Todd” isn’t the joker I was like you didn’t say that robin isn’t the joker.
@Hthe
@Hthe 4 жыл бұрын
@Shik. M. I believe you were wrong. He was asked the weirdest thing he has heard said about the movie. Also the answer he gave wouldn't make much sense. Why say "that jason Todd is not the joker" and not "No, jason Todd isn't the joker."
@Hthe
@Hthe 4 жыл бұрын
@Shik. M. am probably dumb and I apologize but I dont understand how this helps your statement. Tho it doesn't harm it either. I never claimed he said that the joker was jason Todd I said he said the opposite that the joker is not jason Todd.
@Hthe
@Hthe 4 жыл бұрын
@Shik. M. I looked back at the comment and you see right and wrong I forgot to put in not that's why. So sorry again it should make more sense.
@Hthe
@Hthe 4 жыл бұрын
@Shik. M. saying "No, jason Todd isn't the joker" means you are responding to yes or no question. While "that Jason Todd is the joker" is referring to a question that isn't yes or no like in this case where he was asked the weirdest thing said about the movie he wasn't asked if Jason Todd is the killer.
@Hthe
@Hthe 4 жыл бұрын
@Shik. M. tbh I also forgot but fair point.
@mr.nobody6875
@mr.nobody6875 5 жыл бұрын
“3 Robins” Damian Wayne: cries in Russian
@wafflethemak8136
@wafflethemak8136 5 жыл бұрын
*Cries in Comunism*
@tall_and_angry
@tall_and_angry 5 жыл бұрын
Stephanie Brown: *Pats Damian's shoulder* It's okay. They forget about me to
@Muksss
@Muksss 5 жыл бұрын
He Murdered Todd.... I mean Dick
@ryanoneill6481
@ryanoneill6481 5 жыл бұрын
Tall_and_ Angry Everyone forgets her because she got fired within weeks for being too reckless and disobedient.
@tall_and_angry
@tall_and_angry 5 жыл бұрын
@@ryanoneill6481 I know, but she still was a Robin
@trashbrainnn
@trashbrainnn 3 жыл бұрын
In Teen Titans go, Robin is the one to dress up as Jared’s joker when they are all doing a bit about the different movie franchise Jokers of the last decade… Coincidence?
@UrL0calCanadian
@UrL0calCanadian 3 жыл бұрын
That's exactly what I was thinking
@pooholigarch
@pooholigarch 2 жыл бұрын
I think not
@dominickballistic1873
@dominickballistic1873 2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@devxro
@devxro 2 жыл бұрын
No, not a coincidence. Because they decided to make a joke about Jared Leto's Joker being Robin considering the theory was well known.
@dominickballistic1873
@dominickballistic1873 2 жыл бұрын
@@devxro it’s a fucking joke dude he was never and will be the joker
@williamsoto32326
@williamsoto32326 5 жыл бұрын
This would definitely make letos joker alot more interesting lol
@Hylan171
@Hylan171 5 жыл бұрын
Except the writers aren't that smart
@eleanorfudge7288
@eleanorfudge7288 4 жыл бұрын
@@Hylan171 They were smart enough to cut his screen time down to five minutes. Although admittedly, that could have been the editor doing everyone a favor.
@binthvingit992
@binthvingit992 4 жыл бұрын
we gotta admit, Heath Ledger's Joker was the best
@williamsoto32326
@williamsoto32326 4 жыл бұрын
@@binthvingit992 movie was ledger the best but out of all the jokers I like mark hamill the best
@skilef69
@skilef69 4 жыл бұрын
Are you slovene
@vinsengo4102
@vinsengo4102 7 жыл бұрын
IS "BATMAN" ACTUALLY BRUCE WAYNE ???????
@bronze6989
@bronze6989 7 жыл бұрын
Vinsen Go, no, maybe he's tony stark or something...
@vinsengo4102
@vinsengo4102 7 жыл бұрын
Bronze 69 Who is Batman ?? it's still my biggest question
@cbddddbbd7324
@cbddddbbd7324 7 жыл бұрын
Vinsen Go lol I'm ur dad
@vinsengo4102
@vinsengo4102 7 жыл бұрын
Jimmy Mc Noooooooooooo
@adventureleader9728
@adventureleader9728 7 жыл бұрын
Vinsen Go Bruce Wayne is Batman. Ya fucking tool.
@ashmondthesoutherntrashmon2210
@ashmondthesoutherntrashmon2210 5 жыл бұрын
8:00 A black hole of rage and confusion: Are we sure he didn’t just go to school?
@oxxylooxxy5079
@oxxylooxxy5079 5 жыл бұрын
Ù _ Ú YOUR RIGHT HOLY CAP!!
@oxxylooxxy5079
@oxxylooxxy5079 5 жыл бұрын
YOUR RIGHT,he just went to school!
@diegobarron1690
@diegobarron1690 5 жыл бұрын
Wait until you have a dead end job
@jaydayhey
@jaydayhey 4 жыл бұрын
Oh my-
@ashmondthesoutherntrashmon2210
@ashmondthesoutherntrashmon2210 Жыл бұрын
@@diegobarron1690 i wrote the og comment when i was an edgy 13 year old. im starting to look for one lmao.
@jason_always_painting3994
@jason_always_painting3994 2 жыл бұрын
Makes sense why Leto was so pissed at all his scenes that were cut. Saying “You had enough scenes to make a whole other movie” I’m paraphrasing though.
@coleallen8425
@coleallen8425 7 жыл бұрын
Dick Grayson actually used a staff too before he became Nightwing. Even then Nightwings baton thingies snap together in some canons to become a staff
@guyincognito8043
@guyincognito8043 7 жыл бұрын
You're right, but Tim is more notable for it. I think that's the idea.
@mateorendon7006
@mateorendon7006 7 жыл бұрын
Helix The King, but I think he mainly used the sticks separately. IDK tho
@TheMetamorphoses2003
@TheMetamorphoses2003 7 жыл бұрын
What If Its Damian Wayne thats gonna be the new robin after all he is the son of bat man
@darkdog42
@darkdog42 7 жыл бұрын
Well dick is still alive considering he's getting his own movie in 2019
@rose-3832
@rose-3832 7 жыл бұрын
Helix The King aka young justice
@darkside7802
@darkside7802 5 жыл бұрын
They can easily make him Robin. Do a prequel. It’s just Jared Leto with short brown hair. Boom. Or at least have a flash back. Hell. DC doesn’t try with their movies though. Ever.
@crim4756
@crim4756 5 жыл бұрын
You seen Joker (2019)? They're tryin now.
@corinnekel1324
@corinnekel1324 4 жыл бұрын
i dont think Jared Leto will come back to DC
@saragemmer9553
@saragemmer9553 4 жыл бұрын
You should watch the animated ones. They are great and the the dark Knight series.
@kcmkage4991
@kcmkage4991 4 жыл бұрын
Shazam and Aquaman?
@muhammadhashir6136
@muhammadhashir6136 5 жыл бұрын
My Father: I will give you a brand new car for your birthday. Me: Holy interplanetary yardstick
@cupcakekiller7545
@cupcakekiller7545 5 жыл бұрын
Muhammad Hashir 😂😂😂
@skewter2487
@skewter2487 5 жыл бұрын
Wut da Vinci the same time as a result of the year. the
@veronicashepherd7098
@veronicashepherd7098 5 жыл бұрын
Omg
@veronicashepherd7098
@veronicashepherd7098 5 жыл бұрын
@@skewter2487 popopooppopop
@TheNeromethod
@TheNeromethod 5 жыл бұрын
Interplanetary yard stick is a probe from the aliens
@therevolutionarymanumissio466
@therevolutionarymanumissio466 2 жыл бұрын
Sad thing is that canonically Joker is always supposed to be 10 years older than Batsy but he’s rarely portrayed correctly
@toasterthedoge
@toasterthedoge Жыл бұрын
Joker is actually about 5-10 years younger than batman (the Joker is between 25-34)
@smileys821
@smileys821 7 жыл бұрын
So this is for those that are interested in knowing a little more about DCU/ what some of the comments are talking about. 1. There are actually more than 4 Robins all together in DCU- Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Damian Wayne, Stephanie Brown, Carrie Kelly, Duke Thomas. However, Matpat did say the 4 'main' robins, in which I assume would be the 4 most iconic robins: Dick, Jason, Tim, and Damian; and for the rest of the comments, i'll only be focusing on these 4. 2. All Robins did indeed have an iconic/ trademark weapon used. However, some only started using them after they left the robin identity behind, and taking on a new cover. Dick (as Nightwing) uses Eskrima Sticks, Jason (as Red Hood) uses guns as a rebellious way against Bruce's policy/principle about using guns, Tim (both as Robin and Red Robin) uses a staff, and Damian uses Katana Swords. 3. Dick once had an ancestor with the same name as he did. Therefore the name on the gravestone could have been Dick's dead relative instead. A solo Nightwing movie has been confirmed as well (2019), so it is highly unlikely Robin Dick Grayson is dead in DCEU. (Edit: Some of the comments also talked about another theory, which would be Dick faking his death and becoming a secret Spy. This would follow the comics 'Grayson', afther the 'Nightwing' series had ended, in case some of you guys were interested in checking it out!) 4. Most people, including me, thinks that the robin tattoo is more of Joker's way of showing off that he managed to kill off Jason. 5. The line where Bruce said 'How many good guys are left, and how many stayed that way?' while looking at the Robin suit could be Bruce referring to Jason. Depending if Jason in DCEU has revived yet, and depending if Bruce has already found out about Jason being Red Hood, we have to remember that Red Hood has always been more of an anti-hero. So, if that line being said in that scene wasn't a coincidence, it could be Bruce reference to Jason as an anti-hero that kills rather than a Joker-Tim. I, however, really enjoyed the theory! And I think it's awesome how Matpat has talked about DC multiple times despite the complexity, depth, and history behind DCU as a whole. Thank you for the video!
@herohour6496
@herohour6496 7 жыл бұрын
Comic nerd alert. You confuse yourself. Educate yourself with taking all that shit and condensing it to fit into the movie world. TFT's theory is correct and makes sense. You're theory is just filled with extra junk only comic dicks would know. We don't give a shit... tell that to DC. Tell that to Zach. Tell that to anyone. They'll say fuck you. They have a good universe and it's based on ZAch's imagination.
@BraveShowBoys
@BraveShowBoys 7 жыл бұрын
Hero Hour isn't that the reason for a tv show? Followed by a big movie? Cause itd be pretty easy to put all the comic stuff in if u just used a tv show and filmed movies for big finales or something.
@spiderstallion9660
@spiderstallion9660 7 жыл бұрын
Hero Hour what does him knowing more about comics have to do with anything and remember these are just theories they aren't actual facts
@MajorErection
@MajorErection 7 жыл бұрын
Hero Hour Hi, i am also a avid comic nerd and I'm genraly confused on you problem with his comment, it was genraly well thought out and respectful to Matt Patt's original theroy, even to the point of him thanking him for the video. I'm also confused that you imply that his theroy is invalid because it has elements from the comics are in it. Matt Patt's did as well, and you should never considered a THEROY law. And its a comic movie, so of course its gonna have compatisons drawn to it, heck snyder bassed BvS mostly of dark knight returns, and jokers tats are even a refrance to his apperance in All Star Batman and Robin, with his dragon tattoo on his back. So of course theres gonna be comparesons drawn to the comics, because the film makers put them in there as easter eggs! And im not saying that because im a comic fan, it because these comics are why the movies where made! If suicide squad wasn't bassed off an edtablished poperty no one would watch it, and even more people would hate it. (By the way I do recomend reading comic's, there way better that the films in my openion) It just sucks that the comment section has to be so toxic, why can't we just keep it civil? I love talking with people and about differing points of view. But hey, that's just me I gusse...
@jakemcdermott5383
@jakemcdermott5383 7 жыл бұрын
smileys821 y
@annaharrington8397
@annaharrington8397 5 жыл бұрын
I’d imagine this joker is just a dude who pretended to be joker
@isaacvazquez627
@isaacvazquez627 5 жыл бұрын
Well, He's called Joker because he can be anything.
@315giants
@315giants 5 жыл бұрын
Whose just pretending to be a dude
@alibyxe6400
@alibyxe6400 5 жыл бұрын
Dᴏᴄᴛᴏʀ nah because otherwise Harley Quinn would not be so crazy about him, though to be fair I'm only at the start of the video ┐( ͡◉ ͜ʖ ͡◉)┌
@alibyxe6400
@alibyxe6400 5 жыл бұрын
315giants XD
@dwightk.schruteiii8454
@dwightk.schruteiii8454 5 жыл бұрын
And the joker which joker pretends to be is actually Joaquin Phoenix.
@TheeeDave556
@TheeeDave556 6 жыл бұрын
Sad that the Theories are ALWAYS better than the actual story.
@Bozo-p6h
@Bozo-p6h 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah
@llamaproductions5320
@llamaproductions5320 5 жыл бұрын
DavidzToyz its not sad
@Yes-fq9mq
@Yes-fq9mq 5 жыл бұрын
Q
@epic6501
@epic6501 5 жыл бұрын
ye lol
@Ok-eg8dg
@Ok-eg8dg 5 жыл бұрын
@@llamaproductions5320 it's cause theories sound so badass compared to real thing I
@nr6916
@nr6916 Жыл бұрын
“Three robins” Steph and Damian: the audacity
@anxiouscreep
@anxiouscreep 5 жыл бұрын
MatPat: *mentions green lantern* Me: those were dark times, Ryan...
@johnny2demax
@johnny2demax 5 жыл бұрын
'ryan' as if you knew him in real life.
@kNIGHTWING01
@kNIGHTWING01 7 жыл бұрын
A Nightwing Movie featuring Dick Grayson is coming helmed by the director of the Lego Batman Movie announced a few months ago. He isnt dead. In synders original draft all of Batman's allies were dead, to make Batman a Killer with no Hope left. Though WB changed things for future installments. Both Grayson & Gordon have upcoming roles in the DCEU now. As for the Tim Drake Joker thing. He was only turned into Joker because the DCAU couldn't do the Jason Todd death on Tv, due to censorship. So the 2nd Animated Robin was a combination of Jason's Origin and attitude + Drake' s name and detective skills. Lastly suicide squad Harley Quinn killed a Robin prior to BVS. Which the SS director stated shortly after the film's release. In early cuts of the film, Harley's bio said this as well. The dead Robin was confirmed to be Todd. Geoff johns first Batman film script was suppose to center around arkham asylum & setting up a future appearance of Red Hood. Though Afleck didn't like the script and has since dropped out being director. Red Hood is rumored to appear due to increased popularity & will most likely show up as a main villain in a Batman Movie. Synder's vision was changed, but Jimmy is still dead. In closing, Grayson will be Nightwing with the plot taking place after BVS. The director doesn't want to do an origin story though, so it probably center around one of his Chuck Dixon stories and in Gothams sister city Bludhaven.
@bobbilly1681
@bobbilly1681 7 жыл бұрын
kNIGHTWING01 woah you watch gametheory noice
@auburnsucks7061
@auburnsucks7061 7 жыл бұрын
kNIGHTWING01 someone who actually did research and knows what he is talking about
@CrossComic
@CrossComic 7 жыл бұрын
kNIGHTWING01 it would be cool to see tim and dick team up in the nightwing movie like tim is trying to get the hang of being robin so dick teaches him because jason is red hood though i would like to see jasons ressurection.
@treg.2189
@treg.2189 7 жыл бұрын
but how can Dick Grayson be Nightwing if he's dead
@GbHaseo
@GbHaseo 7 жыл бұрын
Bc filmakers will say "it was just a nod, not canon" Bc Hollywood really doesnt give two craps about continuity, actually neither do the comics. Every writer kinda just does what they want as long as it sells.
@hunterhippo4470
@hunterhippo4470 7 жыл бұрын
I love how matpat used the best evidence at the end and uses the worst at the beginning🤣
@TheBoundFenrir
@TheBoundFenrir 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's standard reveal philosophy, as seen in every mystery show ever. If you start with your strong evidence the last things people here is you making a bunch of weak points. Even if you started out with the murderer CONFESSING, the audience will be kinda bored and/or sceptical by the time you finish all the little bits about ToD and fingerprints. If you start with the weak stuff and work your way in, you build in strength and conviction as you go, until you're hammering it home like a home dunk. It's a much more entertaining experience for the audience.
@sleekotter1109
@sleekotter1109 7 жыл бұрын
Hunter Hippo ikr
@lengteo3025
@lengteo3025 7 жыл бұрын
TheBoundFenrip
@colemanscollard2207
@colemanscollard2207 7 жыл бұрын
Thats how he gets you to keep watching
@chadwickrudesil113
@chadwickrudesil113 3 жыл бұрын
If every single Robin ended up dying or turning into a joker now I can never watch teen Titans go the same way again
@afrigidnightmare4868
@afrigidnightmare4868 3 жыл бұрын
I mean correct me if I’m wrong, but in an episode where Beast Boy and Cyborg waited into the future and saw that Robin turned into Nightwing among other chaos
@keonscinist2333
@keonscinist2333 3 жыл бұрын
never happen in main timeline so not canon
@mightynight8102
@mightynight8102 3 жыл бұрын
Jason got revived Nightwing is in titans he is alive Tim Drake is alive dymain Wayne is alive
@mightynight8102
@mightynight8102 3 жыл бұрын
There all alive
@noblehouse.wack1981
@noblehouse.wack1981 3 жыл бұрын
@@keonscinist2333 continuity and canonicity are 2 different things, there can be many timelines in the same canon
@shelby4940
@shelby4940 6 жыл бұрын
Technically red hood is an anti hero. Not a villain. He's just misunderstood for killing rapists and murderers and was originally labeled as a villain by Batman.
@lunareclipse7154
@lunareclipse7154 6 жыл бұрын
k
@girlslaughingjp
@girlslaughingjp 6 жыл бұрын
Shelby outlaws can be heroes too!
@mythicalmaniac3280
@mythicalmaniac3280 6 жыл бұрын
Shelby oohhhh
@davidj3841
@davidj3841 6 жыл бұрын
By that logic batman would consider a lot of heroes villians. I mean hell even spiderman kills sometimes.
@johnlaurens4288
@johnlaurens4288 6 жыл бұрын
This is true. Very true.
@cadencurry555
@cadencurry555 5 жыл бұрын
"There are 3 Robin's." Damian Wayne: am I a joke to you?
@anitak3985
@anitak3985 4 жыл бұрын
Yes
@IlIeven
@IlIeven 4 жыл бұрын
@Falconstars509YT - Roblox and more! damian was still a character
@Madison-iw8ix
@Madison-iw8ix 4 жыл бұрын
He made a note about it, assuming y'all actually watched the theory. I can't give a timestamp (I don't care that much), but it's there.
@TheOGPlatypus
@TheOGPlatypus 4 жыл бұрын
Fun Fact there were 5 robins
@IlIeven
@IlIeven 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheOGPlatypus spoiler does not count
@beautystarz1157
@beautystarz1157 7 жыл бұрын
So, if Harley erases Robins memory to make him the Joker...In a way, were shipping Robin x Harley????
@kilioserorr923
@kilioserorr923 7 жыл бұрын
BeautyStarz 11 The door.
@dominicnguyen4821
@dominicnguyen4821 7 жыл бұрын
Robley That’s the ship.
@mikel1066
@mikel1066 7 жыл бұрын
BeautyStarz 11 We're* idiot
@kikoweebz1751
@kikoweebz1751 7 жыл бұрын
:O
@tahreesuh
@tahreesuh 7 жыл бұрын
BeautyStarz 11 o shit
@mariagabrielarodadoroman5679
@mariagabrielarodadoroman5679 3 жыл бұрын
Me who just watched the Snyder Cut Justice league: Yes Mat...it seems like u were right....i could almost say its 100% confirmed... i dont want to give out spoilers but .....i think what Jared says in the snyder cut is just proof of this theory being true
@justinwalsworth6673
@justinwalsworth6673 3 жыл бұрын
Zack Snyder deconfirmed the theory on March 18th during the ZSJL Watchparty when asked “Is Jared Leto’s Joker Robin?” And he said no.
@mariagabrielarodadoroman5679
@mariagabrielarodadoroman5679 3 жыл бұрын
@@justinwalsworth6673 Well ;v; ty for the info
@justinwalsworth6673
@justinwalsworth6673 3 жыл бұрын
@@mariagabrielarodadoroman5679 Yeah, this video just got recommended to me and I remembered that during the watch party he answered this. I originally thought so too because of what he said but then he typed that he wasn’t in the chat bar
@absterasgard1528
@absterasgard1528 3 жыл бұрын
@@justinwalsworth6673 Sorry. It's my head cannon now.
@johnmerisd.copiling2468
@johnmerisd.copiling2468 2 жыл бұрын
@@justinwalsworth6673 did u even watch the video?
@toastervan
@toastervan 4 жыл бұрын
“Holy interplanetary yardstick” may be the best thing robin ever said
@learningwithlaila
@learningwithlaila 3 жыл бұрын
XD
@EyeOfThePhi
@EyeOfThePhi 3 жыл бұрын
Omfg good effin point
@eazy2lawyer851
@eazy2lawyer851 3 жыл бұрын
I present: “Holy Gradually Enlarging Blue Rhino Foot Batman! He’s got us outgunned!”
@UrL0calCanadian
@UrL0calCanadian 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@altalia07
@altalia07 9 ай бұрын
Lol
@nyxeo
@nyxeo 5 жыл бұрын
I feel so bad for Robin now... *And my brain hurts.*
@spatalottakittens
@spatalottakittens 5 жыл бұрын
Trust me this kind of stuff happens to the Robins all the time in the comics. It's good to feel bad though.
@nighteye7759
@nighteye7759 5 жыл бұрын
Jason Todd was killed BECAUSE OF THE FANS OF THE COMICS.
@testedalexthegreat1759
@testedalexthegreat1759 5 жыл бұрын
@@nighteye7759 And then people got pissed after his ass got sodomized by a crowbar.
@Official_Nonchalant_dreadhead
@Official_Nonchalant_dreadhead 5 жыл бұрын
Thats what hapens when u watch film theory
@NervouslyHeeHees
@NervouslyHeeHees 5 жыл бұрын
You’ll get used to it. DC treats all robin like literal garbage anyway.
@miru8144
@miru8144 7 жыл бұрын
Hey Film Theorists, with the new Pirates of the Caribbean recently released, can you make a video trying to find out how old Jack Sparrow is? Because he seems to never age throughout the series. Plus you could make a conspiracy as to the reason he never ages. (like if you want it to happen)
@Patrix8558
@Patrix8558 7 жыл бұрын
Throughout the movies he always tried to find some thing that would help him to live forever. In first one we can argue that he would go with the coins if there were no sideeffects (which all the cursed crew had) and in the second and third he wanted to stab Davy´s heart so he would become captain of Dutchman and live forever, BUT! dying Orlando crossed his plan. So he set sail for the fountain of youth which happened to be destroyed (and requiring someone else life to give you some extra years to live) and since in fifth one he acts like he suddenly does not care about not dying, we can assume that somewhere in between those years (between forth and fifth movie) he found some other thing that earned him eternal youth (or adulthood), or gave him some extra years. So... it would be fair to say that he already found what he was looking for and now is just wandering around, getting drunk more than ever cause his quest came finally to the end. Even in fifth one (spoiler alert) he says in the end when asked by Gibbs where off to, he says that they will go by stars. Yeah, it is reference to Carina, but suddenly Jack has no plan were of to and what else could give him an eternal life? Hmm, suspicious. Or maybe he just got over it and dont care anymore, but that is not likely.
@SamBuckland
@SamBuckland 7 жыл бұрын
Maybe you can ask his wife how old he is. Wait he doesn't have one. Cause he bashed her. Remember?
@claireskinupbabehill
@claireskinupbabehill 7 жыл бұрын
good idea
@shstrng5474
@shstrng5474 7 жыл бұрын
Fountain of Youth?
@isaaclim8290
@isaaclim8290 7 жыл бұрын
I tell ya, Its all that rum, its like a fountain of youth for him XD
@steverobbins4933
@steverobbins4933 3 жыл бұрын
Technically, Joker AND Jason Todd both portrayed a character named Red Hood.
@tarigaming1879
@tarigaming1879 4 жыл бұрын
"A guy who shoots good, a guy who CLIMBS good, and a Girl who Bats Okay." Harley: Well, listen here, puddin'.
@spottedstarnewacc6696
@spottedstarnewacc6696 4 жыл бұрын
XD
@redred7674
@redred7674 4 жыл бұрын
"Bonk"
@pixelcat5725
@pixelcat5725 3 жыл бұрын
Matpat: *chuckles* Im in danger
@reapergaming7680
@reapergaming7680 3 жыл бұрын
Correction:Bats as if she was in killer clowns from Outer space. [Just check out the movie,you'll see what I mean]
@solesitog
@solesitog 5 жыл бұрын
“Their are only three robins” . . . . . *Damian Wayne pulls out his katanas*
@nowtmrb3337
@nowtmrb3337 5 жыл бұрын
Stephanie Brown and Carrie Kelley has joined the chat
@yourinfoguy9595
@yourinfoguy9595 5 жыл бұрын
This video is old Marisol
@filmandfirearms
@filmandfirearms 4 жыл бұрын
@@nowtmrb3337 Like he's going to factor in the chicks when it comes to talking about a male character. They have even less of a chance of being Joker than Todd did after that interview
@hassunkhan9448
@hassunkhan9448 4 жыл бұрын
He writes a note at 3:36
@beaverscope8317
@beaverscope8317 4 жыл бұрын
All the other robins are staring at film theory in a angry way .
@peterisanins132
@peterisanins132 6 жыл бұрын
He had me at the bulet holes..
@gastersdaughter2069
@gastersdaughter2069 6 жыл бұрын
Same. :/
@Deadpool-md4ne
@Deadpool-md4ne 6 жыл бұрын
Same..
@Shamar4K
@Shamar4K 6 жыл бұрын
same
@lunareclipse7154
@lunareclipse7154 6 жыл бұрын
*bullet, but he had me as well.
@livelaughlove0209
@livelaughlove0209 6 жыл бұрын
Me too. Why else would they do that
@KCJB22291
@KCJB22291 2 жыл бұрын
5 years later this video is still better than the original Suicide Squad
@Shadow-1854
@Shadow-1854 8 ай бұрын
Tbh it wasn't as good as The suicide squad but it wasn't that bad
@apples5399
@apples5399 7 жыл бұрын
Adam West Sept. 19, 1928 - Jun. 9 2017
@NotLoZerish
@NotLoZerish 7 жыл бұрын
Peanut may he rest in peace
@ethanyep5405
@ethanyep5405 7 жыл бұрын
Peanut Can I Just Say, Me And My Dad Were Talking About Him After We Watched The LEGO Batman Movie, He Died 5 Hours Later... RIP Batman And Mayor West
@saturn_star2508
@saturn_star2508 7 жыл бұрын
joe west
@theonetrueferret3070
@theonetrueferret3070 7 жыл бұрын
rip
@tntmykids
@tntmykids 7 жыл бұрын
RIP
@oklfwod902
@oklfwod902 6 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: there used to be a bat cow that bat man saved from the slaughterhouse , also he gave it a cape
@jacklajoie9126
@jacklajoie9126 6 жыл бұрын
robin saved it.
@exoticgrasses2671
@exoticgrasses2671 6 жыл бұрын
Bat cow is robin’s dad confirmed
@Shubbes
@Shubbes 6 жыл бұрын
He knows he mentioned in a video like a year ago
@killjoynumber1913
@killjoynumber1913 6 жыл бұрын
-_______-
@mannoury01
@mannoury01 6 жыл бұрын
Oh my goodness you have to go to bed now mom you can go back to your room with the kids
@hrreasoner2388
@hrreasoner2388 5 жыл бұрын
This whole thing makes sense considering Joaquin Phoenix is the joker in 2019’s Joker film
@dannyboi4313
@dannyboi4313 5 жыл бұрын
Joaquin's joker is in a different universe the new joker movie doesn't take place in the DCEU unfortunately
@cXspXr
@cXspXr 5 жыл бұрын
@@dannyboi4313 although this is true, he could still always become canon in the DCEU even though he isnt right now. take harley quinn for instance, she first appeared in the batman animated series which wasnt canon, but she became such a beloved character that she became canon in comics, tv, and movies. also with joker, he was only supposed to appear as a filler character and a one-off villain but he came very beloved by fans and now he's the most iconic batman villain and possibly the most iconic villain ever.
@dannyboi4313
@dannyboi4313 5 жыл бұрын
@@cXspXr considering the critical response of the new Joker movie that does seem possible and I for one would welcome Jaquin's jojer instead of whatever the hell Jared Leto was
@thespiritofjonathanjoestar6805
@thespiritofjonathanjoestar6805 5 жыл бұрын
How the hell are you linking this with Phoenix's Joker, seriously this comment is a joke
@cXspXr
@cXspXr 5 жыл бұрын
@@dannyboi4313 also a good thing to point out is the years they take place and the jokers ages, joaquin's joker is probably around 35 and theres a very young bruce (9-12 years old), leto's joker is also about 35. suicide squad takes place in 2016 and the joker movie takes place in 1985. this means joaquin's joker would be about 55. that sounds like a very reasonable age to retire/die as the joker but want to continue the ideology of the joker. maybe joaquin turned tim drake into the new joker, jared leto. also, it's noted that dick grayson is dead in this universe. maybe joaquin killed that joker and transformed the next robin (tim) into the new joker. it sounds far fetched but i think itd be a cool character arch for both batman and joker.
@keeganarnst7055
@keeganarnst7055 3 жыл бұрын
Spoiler Warning This also really makes sense when the joker teams up with Batman in Snyder cut
@justinwalsworth6673
@justinwalsworth6673 3 жыл бұрын
Zack Snyder deconfirmed the theory during the ZSJL Watchparty where he was asked “Is Jared Leto’s Joker Robin” And he said No.
@keeganarnst7055
@keeganarnst7055 3 жыл бұрын
@@justinwalsworth6673 so he says but just look at the evidence
@ajpillay79
@ajpillay79 3 жыл бұрын
@@justinwalsworth6673 does he have to tell the truth every time maybe they don't want to spoil something that big
@UrL0calCanadian
@UrL0calCanadian 3 жыл бұрын
@@justinwalsworth6673 Could be a cover up to hide the truth, just saying
@alexsherry1238
@alexsherry1238 3 жыл бұрын
@@justinwalsworth6673 There's also the idea of Death of the Author where the artists intention is not as important as the viewers' interpretation of the work. So, unless it is specifically stated in the film itself, it is up to interpretation.
@tgreaux5027
@tgreaux5027 6 жыл бұрын
Jared leto being 46 years old in real life is unreal. He seriously looks like hes in his early 30's.
@silversmoke4159
@silversmoke4159 6 жыл бұрын
Still a bad idea
@abhijithsb6673
@abhijithsb6673 5 жыл бұрын
Wtf
@RaydeusMX
@RaydeusMX 5 жыл бұрын
Five months late but just wanted to say it's probably the magic of not being married. I look about 15 years younger than my old schoolmates (true story) because the "happy married life" made them look much older than they really are while my stress free life makes me look younger than I am. PS > I'm also far, far healthier than they are.
@Kim-tf5cx
@Kim-tf5cx 5 жыл бұрын
Johnny Two Hands truee
@SSJScorpiozzz
@SSJScorpiozzz 4 жыл бұрын
A theorist mistakes Red Hood for a villian, he’s an Anti-Hero.
@qe3940
@qe3940 4 жыл бұрын
your profile matches this comment so perfectly
@chefcorinth
@chefcorinth 4 жыл бұрын
@@artistonarampage9482 no it's not dumbass
@artistonarampage9482
@artistonarampage9482 4 жыл бұрын
Jeez chill
@tgtcc
@tgtcc 4 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU! SOMEONE NOTICED
@faissal_the_sultan1926
@faissal_the_sultan1926 4 жыл бұрын
@@chefcorinth Jason Todds Red hood is an antihero but the redhood in general is a villian and also first jason todds redhood was a "villian" to taunt batman. So he is kinda right
@laurenseibel2305
@laurenseibel2305 7 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who remembers the comic where Robin kills Harley Quinn and the Jokers BABY!!! and the scene in suicide squad where the Joker lays in the middle of a knife filled floor with BABY CLOTHING in the corner, and then the joker does this really psychotic laugh and all of us villain lovers melt.
@jaybearhjs564
@jaybearhjs564 7 жыл бұрын
Nena Lopez AHEM robin kills in injustice 2
@cheezwhizqueen4997
@cheezwhizqueen4997 7 жыл бұрын
I believe it was said that the baby clothes in suicide squad was something Harley took from one of the victims joker killed
@laurenseibel2305
@laurenseibel2305 7 жыл бұрын
Anonymous A. 😂💖
@mwur6190
@mwur6190 7 жыл бұрын
starstudios49 ! I disagree on the laugh though.
@laurenseibel2305
@laurenseibel2305 7 жыл бұрын
Mckenzie Murdoch How so?
@bricktaco67
@bricktaco67 2 жыл бұрын
I love this theory it was the first film/game/food theory I ever watched and it got me invested. That was 4 years ago and I still go back and rewatch it sometimes. One of my favorite theorys ever
@phillysteak419
@phillysteak419 6 жыл бұрын
Now they're having a stand alone Joker movie, with Jared Leto, and a Joker: Origins... with Joaquin Phoenix. I think this is a good indicator of the "Robin turned Joker in the movie" theory being true.
@sassonfire6808
@sassonfire6808 6 жыл бұрын
phillysteak419 I didn't know Jared was doing a Joker movie...why two Joker movies with two different actors? Unless this isn't theory, but fact..
@phillysteak419
@phillysteak419 6 жыл бұрын
sassonfire Yeah, as of June Leto was slated to star and direct in his own Joker movie. With the Joaquin Phoenix movie, and all the nods to a Robin gone bad in B-man vs. S-man, it's cemented that this is the case (in my mind, at least)! I mean, like you said, why would they have 2 different people?! Maybe the director is trying to be clever ("it's not Jason Todd"), by using one of the other Robin's names, but doing the same story line. One of the things that makes it so hard to believe him is.... in B Vs. S, one of the most iconic shots recreates the cover of one of the comics for the Jason Todd storyline. It all just points to it, and if I'm right... I'm going to be so frickin' giddy! Lol
@phillysteak419
@phillysteak419 6 жыл бұрын
sassonfire m.ign.com/articles/2018/06/05/jared-letos-joker-getting-his-own-movie I want to say, I haven't checked on this in a couple of months. So, there might be new news completely debunking my theory, but here's an article mentioning that they're both doing one.
@sightseeing7993
@sightseeing7993 6 жыл бұрын
I think it's a good indication that DC doesn't know what they're doing.
@phillysteak419
@phillysteak419 6 жыл бұрын
Sightseeing Or that! Lol!
@wazzaphi1
@wazzaphi1 4 жыл бұрын
Hater: actually the scar is a millimeter to the left. Matpat: aren't you the same guy I told yesterday to just stop watching if you're going to give it hate. Hater:Maybe
@colinmonachus5920
@colinmonachus5920 4 жыл бұрын
What
@cardsandhearts94
@cardsandhearts94 4 жыл бұрын
Im confused
@goodnight-moon564
@goodnight-moon564 4 жыл бұрын
wazzaphi1 Which scar are you talking about?
@IlIeven
@IlIeven 4 жыл бұрын
Did you guys watch the video?
@laniecamba
@laniecamba 4 жыл бұрын
Goodnight- Moon the j scar
@abigail_yang
@abigail_yang 4 жыл бұрын
MatPat would've been great as a recurring character in the Big Bang Theory. Sheldon would hold a ton of grudges against him, then begin to have the utmost respect for the guy that makes him doubt everything.
@ranjanadeshpande9117
@ranjanadeshpande9117 3 жыл бұрын
Y E S
@aayxn39
@aayxn39 3 жыл бұрын
The Robin themed intro is so wholesome
@Garcia24kGolden
@Garcia24kGolden 7 жыл бұрын
So that explains why Batman won't kill joker
@Garcia24kGolden
@Garcia24kGolden 7 жыл бұрын
Oh my bad thanks for that though
@user-xn5ry2dw2u
@user-xn5ry2dw2u 7 жыл бұрын
Moises Garcia isn't it because he doesn't try to kill anyone?
@NahHalcyon
@NahHalcyon 7 жыл бұрын
no he explains why in Under The Red Hood
@SP-df1nm
@SP-df1nm 7 жыл бұрын
the joker is someone else. In death of the family, you can see everyone in the bat family with the joker in the same panel including the red hood. That means that the joker cannot be jason todd
@Ana-mw9yd
@Ana-mw9yd 7 жыл бұрын
he actually doesn't kill anyone.
@lilaE3
@lilaE3 7 жыл бұрын
A couple of problems I have with this theory: 1. That bird tattoo is probably more of a 'trophy' to show off the fact that Joker has killed a Robin in his past 2. If this wasn't the real Joker, then everyone in Gotham would know. No one, including Amanda Waller, Batman or the crime lords, gave any sort of indication that this was a new 'Robin' joker - for instance, when Batman saves Harley surely he would've said something like 'you broke him' 3. Harley Quinn's origin story makes more sense if it was the original Joker who corrupted her 4. I read somewhere the Jared Leto commented on the 'damaged tattoo' and said that it was a symbol for the fact that this Joker has had a long history with Batman and has gained many scars from their encounters But those are just my thoughts
@eleos6282
@eleos6282 7 жыл бұрын
BUT THAT'S JUST SOME THOUGHTS, SOME RTE FILMS THOUGHTS!
@intothevoid999
@intothevoid999 7 жыл бұрын
RTE Films Nice👍
@RedEyesBlackDragon0
@RedEyesBlackDragon0 7 жыл бұрын
The Joker NEVER returned Harley's affections.
@yaboi_curagemayfield785
@yaboi_curagemayfield785 7 жыл бұрын
RTE Films Whatever, I bet you don't even have a beard.
@hamzakamran7983
@hamzakamran7983 7 жыл бұрын
RTE Films 5 : tim came after harly
@ilawlight8904
@ilawlight8904 6 жыл бұрын
The question is : Where is THE REAL Joker
@Chris-me4to
@Chris-me4to 6 жыл бұрын
There's a joker movie coming up with joaquin phoenix ;)
@azhar4716
@azhar4716 6 жыл бұрын
i think he retired?
@ayanthebyan9267
@ayanthebyan9267 6 жыл бұрын
Joaquin Phoenix is still the Joker
@skytrooperowl6891
@skytrooperowl6891 6 жыл бұрын
Cameron Monaghan
@S1raajthabest
@S1raajthabest 6 жыл бұрын
i think hes dead or something
@PaystreeIsHere
@PaystreeIsHere 3 жыл бұрын
I'm still going with this theory after watching the Snyder Cut.
@asdfg1346on
@asdfg1346on 3 жыл бұрын
Isnt he Robin, cuz that is what i got after his quotes
@justinwalsworth6673
@justinwalsworth6673 3 жыл бұрын
Zack Snyder deconfirmed this theory on March 18th during the ZSJL Watchparty. He was asked “Is Jared Leto’s Joker Robin?” And he said no.
@kylemccabe1863
@kylemccabe1863 3 жыл бұрын
@@justinwalsworth6673 Its also been confirmed that Leto joker killed the robin in the dceu
@filipmarszaek9345
@filipmarszaek9345 3 жыл бұрын
​@@kylemccabe1863 maybe he killed his identity (:
@dominickballistic1873
@dominickballistic1873 2 жыл бұрын
@@filipmarszaek9345 the theory is bad and isn’t true stop it
@notoriousnate1594
@notoriousnate1594 4 жыл бұрын
1:15 me in 1st grade when the teacher says we need tough guys to lift the chairs
@ALotofTomFoolery
@ALotofTomFoolery 5 жыл бұрын
*Robin looks in the toilet after taking a dump* Holy crap, Batman!!!
@jasonwheat8971
@jasonwheat8971 5 жыл бұрын
.................................??????????????????????
@tobygreen6661
@tobygreen6661 5 жыл бұрын
Jason Wheat, crap is another word for poop
@raleighroberts3969
@raleighroberts3969 7 жыл бұрын
wouldn't that mean that Harly Quin is not just older than the joker but took a kid and made her own from scratch? Hardly is messed up.
@JosiahOHIO
@JosiahOHIO 7 жыл бұрын
Raleigh Roberts 3 u spelled her name wrong twice in two different ways lmao.
@MrUseless247
@MrUseless247 7 жыл бұрын
Raleigh Roberts 3 that would make her more twisted and interesting and we never got the explanation to those baby clothes.
@Cottagewh0re
@Cottagewh0re 7 жыл бұрын
Oh Harley is messed up? I personally find domestic abuse worse than cradle robbery.
@randomcommentguy5825
@randomcommentguy5825 3 жыл бұрын
I just watch the justice league Snyder cut movie and I think maybe your theory might be right
@justinwalsworth6673
@justinwalsworth6673 3 жыл бұрын
Zack Snyder deconfirmed the theory during the ZSJL Watchparty where he was asked “Is Jared Leto’s Joker Robin” And he said No.
@jason_always_painting3994
@jason_always_painting3994 2 жыл бұрын
@@justinwalsworth6673 probably just didn’t want to go through with it.
@g.peacharts3674
@g.peacharts3674 7 жыл бұрын
my to do list : •Homework •Dick Grayson
@heartsNdcake
@heartsNdcake 7 жыл бұрын
georgia rose same
@ORIGINALFBI
@ORIGINALFBI 7 жыл бұрын
georgia rose Do em hard den
@LoafofCabbage
@LoafofCabbage 7 жыл бұрын
2:25 Wow, Jason Todd wrote this
@theretrokid1013
@theretrokid1013 7 жыл бұрын
is it just me or is matpat going through an obsession with his "true identity" theories?
@adx3980
@adx3980 7 жыл бұрын
TheRetroKid 101 His last few theories were boring, not really close to the ones that made me sub.
@theretrokid1013
@theretrokid1013 7 жыл бұрын
Aditya Shukla agreed
@Azure70
@Azure70 7 жыл бұрын
MatPat is actually Jason. You heard it first here.
@maxime221b
@maxime221b 7 жыл бұрын
AND Zack Snyder said it was bullshit : www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/batman-v-superman-zack-snyder-debunks-joker-was-robin-fan-theory-a6963756.html
@sethjustice2994
@sethjustice2994 7 жыл бұрын
B
@Ingolenuru
@Ingolenuru 2 жыл бұрын
I am sold on this one. Tim Drake finding out he used to be Robin would make the lovers' spat coming from that a doozy!
@kyotaiken
@kyotaiken 7 жыл бұрын
Dc has an internal rule for Batman, that in every incarnation, save for when he is displayed as being old, he is to be 34 years old.
@pitchlightzero2547
@pitchlightzero2547 7 жыл бұрын
Kierkegaard DC
@GabrielLopez-pt1ow
@GabrielLopez-pt1ow 7 жыл бұрын
U must get such a headache putting all this together
@bigpapi5368
@bigpapi5368 7 жыл бұрын
Also the suit was confirmed to be Jason todds
@Scott-tk8gi
@Scott-tk8gi 7 жыл бұрын
Total legion ya he doesn't know, or he probably does and ignores it so he can make more money off a shit theory
@blackboimuzikkingmario9728
@blackboimuzikkingmario9728 6 жыл бұрын
No it was confirmed to be dick grayson
@tysont3323
@tysont3323 3 жыл бұрын
The you sent a boy wonder to do a man's job in the snyder cut makes a little more sense now
@naomiwilson9365
@naomiwilson9365 7 жыл бұрын
It would be pretty damn stupid if they did kill off Dick Grayson/ Nightwing... He's one of the most beloved characters in DC, if they'd kill him off they'd loose a lot of fans. Since Grayson was the original Robin and most people believe he was the best one, if he were to be dead in the DCEU it would piss a lot of people off.
@adityanegi1604
@adityanegi1604 7 жыл бұрын
Naomi Wilson If they do kill Dick Grayson, I'm going to filp a table
@christinagarcia9353
@christinagarcia9353 7 жыл бұрын
Naomi Wilson I'm fine with Nightwing being dead.
@inescardoso457
@inescardoso457 7 жыл бұрын
Naomi Wilson i thing that they were on drugs when making DCEU
@klaire6233
@klaire6233 7 жыл бұрын
shhhhhhhhhhh... anyone who does not care if my beloved is dead shall be shushed.
@YouaNumbahOneRacist
@YouaNumbahOneRacist 7 жыл бұрын
Once again assuming they make these movies for comic book nerds, and not the general movie-going public who doesn't give a shit about minor details and minor characters. I didn't even know there was more than one robin until a few years ago, and I still don't care.
@ΝικόλαοςΘεοδωρίδης-γ6λ
@ΝικόλαοςΘεοδωρίδης-γ6λ 7 жыл бұрын
Thought that the "How many stayed that way" line was about two face
@richardgoranski6214
@richardgoranski6214 7 жыл бұрын
Nick The Greek same here
@tsinturkey5651
@tsinturkey5651 7 жыл бұрын
Nick The Greek lol
@blitzninja4396
@blitzninja4396 6 жыл бұрын
Thats what i thought too.😋
@keistopherc6717
@keistopherc6717 6 жыл бұрын
That could be true i guess we'll have to wait and see
@ΝικόλαοςΘεοδωρίδης-γ6λ
@ΝικόλαοςΘεοδωρίδης-γ6λ 6 жыл бұрын
cray cray dawg da fuck? Most of those arent even from Gotham...
@Eojgnawkmi
@Eojgnawkmi 7 жыл бұрын
"It will be making these two movies a whole lots more fun" Yes, thank you. You just made Jared Leto's 5 minutes on screen so much more fun!
@karaakaparvaj7779
@karaakaparvaj7779 7 жыл бұрын
Im Kwang Joe خح٠ ووو؛ظجج. ...
@gunslinger3765
@gunslinger3765 7 жыл бұрын
Im Kwang Joe oo
@BeskarDevil
@BeskarDevil 3 жыл бұрын
It’s been 3 years, and it seems like we might find out if we get another synder film after ZSJL.
@dariusonly1384
@dariusonly1384 7 жыл бұрын
6:45 He can't just climb good, he can climb.....anything.
@gair5918
@gair5918 7 жыл бұрын
DariusOnly Head explodes
@welon17
@welon17 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's a good help against a demigod who can fly and shoot lasers from his eyes and is super strong.
@KingOfMadCows
@KingOfMadCows 7 жыл бұрын
Can he climb out of hell?
@lkyfn1429
@lkyfn1429 7 жыл бұрын
GLfor the guy climbing ANYTHING with no head
@257productions5
@257productions5 7 жыл бұрын
DariusOnly but matpat didn't thhe joker turn harly into harly?
@Ferril21
@Ferril21 6 жыл бұрын
Joker have memory losess ? DORY COMFIRMED!
@thomassteward9382
@thomassteward9382 6 жыл бұрын
Medvěd co ví kde je med JUST KEEP SWIMMING, JUST KEEP SWIMMING!
@CristianMartinez-xl8lc
@CristianMartinez-xl8lc 6 жыл бұрын
Good englash
@linettevidal2933
@linettevidal2933 6 жыл бұрын
Medvěd co ví kde je med nmkkkh
@israelhernandez8137
@israelhernandez8137 6 жыл бұрын
So does it mean hes faking it
@grumpydave2582
@grumpydave2582 6 жыл бұрын
fuuuuuucckkk
@jenniesinger3375
@jenniesinger3375 7 жыл бұрын
This actually can be true because of this Batman always fights joker and wins but..... He never kills the joker so that can lead to Joker being Robin Hope you enjoyed my potato theory
@fredo1303
@fredo1303 7 жыл бұрын
Jennie Ales woah i actually agree holy shit yeah that’s why he doesn’t even really hurt the dude
@tausifzaman8048
@tausifzaman8048 7 жыл бұрын
nah batman doesn’t kill the joker because it’s against his moral code which states he can never kill his opponents
@lucasjelly31
@lucasjelly31 6 жыл бұрын
Jennie Ales actually, Batman will never kill anyone, he believes everyone has a chance of redemption
@kaymeachem1619
@kaymeachem1619 6 жыл бұрын
Batman that didn't stop you in batman v superman
@pickleman4229
@pickleman4229 6 жыл бұрын
Darn it I was looking through the comments to see if anyone already said this and u did so good job
@otishawkridge2331
@otishawkridge2331 3 жыл бұрын
If you think about it, batman is literally an abusive guardian. He takes teens into his care and makes them to fight dangerous criminals. They might want to, but any good parent/guardian would try to at least make them wait untill they are adults to go out fighting crime.
@jaypegasi3769
@jaypegasi3769 2 жыл бұрын
He does try to stop them, and always trains them first, plus he has tried to no end to keep them safe in all other aspects, if he said no, they'd still do it, just a lot less safe. For example, Damian was told he wasn't to be Robin, and he did it anyway, almost got killed. Jason was told he couldn't go for the Joker on his own, he did anyways, got killed. It's to be expected that they'd do it anyways, if he just says yes then it will be on his terms with equipment and training
@mollypaws
@mollypaws 2 жыл бұрын
to be honest if he didn't i'd say 4 of them would've become assassins or murderers and the other 2 would be homeless orphans
@clayton332
@clayton332 5 жыл бұрын
*The bat car brakes down* Batman: the BATtery is dead Robin can you go fix it? Robin: Batman what’s a TERY
@caseyoung1527
@caseyoung1527 5 жыл бұрын
McGuinness?
@thirdyguyproductions5022
@thirdyguyproductions5022 5 жыл бұрын
LoL
@Alex_Doesnt_Exist
@Alex_Doesnt_Exist 5 жыл бұрын
BATMOBILE
@kelseycarroll9090
@kelseycarroll9090 5 жыл бұрын
Kirishima Batman beyond
@grannys1704
@grannys1704 7 жыл бұрын
Wait, but... there's going to be a nightwing movie in a few years...
@emmanuelshade1185
@emmanuelshade1185 7 жыл бұрын
Gay Whale Productions maybe it takes place before the movie
@michaelmyers9802
@michaelmyers9802 7 жыл бұрын
Maybe it's a prequel or Matpat is just wrong
@ancorites969
@ancorites969 7 жыл бұрын
dick faked his death, it's what happens in the comic canon at least.
@grannys1704
@grannys1704 7 жыл бұрын
DeathHoop It said Richard Grayson on the gravestone, Richard is nightwing. Batman v super man and the nightwing movie are in the same timeline/universe
@JH20059
@JH20059 7 жыл бұрын
true
@kaidencunningham7397
@kaidencunningham7397 7 жыл бұрын
In the court of owls arc of the new 52 night wing it is revealed that Dick has an ancestor named Richard and it doesn't make sense for Dick to be dead since we are getting a nightwing movie...
@kaidencunningham7397
@kaidencunningham7397 7 жыл бұрын
Also if we are taking age into consideration let's take in to count the fact that Dick Grayson WOULDNT HAVE BEEN ALIVE at the time of the Wayne family's burial its most improbable that the grave is his. And because we don't see him at all we can assume that Damien Wayne isn't around yet so it is extremely likely that Tim Drake is still robin
@bootmanbill2362
@bootmanbill2362 7 жыл бұрын
Kaiden Cunningham the movies don't tie in to the comics, because then (spoiler alert) batman would be dead in the movies because joker killed him in new 52 "end game"
@hasaankhan1048
@hasaankhan1048 7 жыл бұрын
Mc Jimmerson Bruce Wayne is actually alive again
@kaidencunningham7397
@kaidencunningham7397 7 жыл бұрын
Mc Jimmerson Bruce Wayne didn't die he faked it and Dick Grayson took over until he came back...
@jordongotthold5006
@jordongotthold5006 Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't have been jason todd it would have been Tim Drake it has happened before I just can't remember where I think Batman Beyond
@finlay.4047
@finlay.4047 7 жыл бұрын
Here's some words matpat has not heard in a while. Doctor. Who. Part. Three
@drago9000
@drago9000 7 жыл бұрын
It can be though "three"
@finlay.4047
@finlay.4047 7 жыл бұрын
Peter Griffin Fixed
@dogpresident7149
@dogpresident7149 7 жыл бұрын
Wait Batmans dad and mother died.what!?!?!?!?!?!?!
@thelifeofzbear204
@thelifeofzbear204 7 жыл бұрын
Dog President wow.......late everyone knows that even though who don't read comics
@ThePotionMaster413
@ThePotionMaster413 7 жыл бұрын
If you didn't know that about Batman, you don't know anything..
@notarealperson9135
@notarealperson9135 7 жыл бұрын
Um they were being sarcastic guys...
@Foliose
@Foliose 7 жыл бұрын
Fandom Orbiter995 They're being sarcastic.
@UnpleasantAlex
@UnpleasantAlex 7 жыл бұрын
Dog President No...Batman's son, Bruce, died.
@michaeltdm1017
@michaeltdm1017 5 жыл бұрын
First you tell me joker is Robin, next thing you're going to tell me is that batman is Bruce Wayne! Wait... Dang it
@not-so-happypappypatton
@not-so-happypappypatton 5 жыл бұрын
😂
@hbkimperial833
@hbkimperial833 5 жыл бұрын
🤣👌
@williamcortelyou4524
@williamcortelyou4524 5 жыл бұрын
Shhhhh, you'll ruin the plot!!
@hiyapatil5379
@hiyapatil5379 2 жыл бұрын
I love this video because when I clicked on it for the first time I only saw part of the title which was "Film Theory: Is Suicide Squad's Joker ACTUALLY Batman's Boy-" and my brain automatically filled the gap with "friend. His boyfriend". Now I'd watched the Lego Batman a lot so I didn't think to question it at all, which is still so funny to me
@TrickyTalon23
@TrickyTalon23 6 жыл бұрын
Being a Robin with brown hair, you looked like the guy from the Lego Batman movie
@briggsrocks5938
@briggsrocks5938 6 жыл бұрын
you mean emet
@MatthewWasnt
@MatthewWasnt 6 жыл бұрын
The shark one looks like LEGO batman
@zachwilliams3092
@zachwilliams3092 6 жыл бұрын
Briggsrocks59 no he means Robin from that movie I’m pretty sure
@juleknight7559
@juleknight7559 6 жыл бұрын
Doesn't one of the Robins go off with the Teen Titans?
@arthurread3925
@arthurread3925 6 жыл бұрын
That's dick
@mysticanna5545
@mysticanna5545 6 жыл бұрын
Grayson does
@andrewquintero4436
@andrewquintero4436 6 жыл бұрын
OG is dick but on the new one on cartoon network its tim Get skooooled
@terrymcginnis7315
@terrymcginnis7315 6 жыл бұрын
tecnobase95 no it’s dick Grayson I’m pretty sure Damien wouldn’t be scared of his own father
@prashantannaidoo8444
@prashantannaidoo8444 6 жыл бұрын
the rebirth is tim drake ..dick wasnt part of the titans
@krakboom9791
@krakboom9791 6 жыл бұрын
*Mr. J* = J for Jason or Joker???
@randallflagg3700
@randallflagg3700 6 жыл бұрын
J for Jendetta
@punishergoofy1233
@punishergoofy1233 5 жыл бұрын
Good point point
@Tendummiez69420
@Tendummiez69420 5 жыл бұрын
No its for *JINTINDA*
@tableprinterdoor
@tableprinterdoor 5 жыл бұрын
J for John cena du du du du
@MCH-23.Quintus
@MCH-23.Quintus 5 жыл бұрын
J for Jeff
@Darlock8647
@Darlock8647 2 жыл бұрын
Funny how this guy comes out with these weird theories but makes them sound so believable
@nathanbettesworth2630
@nathanbettesworth2630 5 жыл бұрын
Theory: The Joker from the new Joker movie is the OG Joker that turned Jason Todd into the Suicide Squad Joker.
@fhou6732
@fhou6732 5 жыл бұрын
Betts because the new Joker is when bruce was a kid and it’s impossible for him to battle full grown Batman, so the new Joker inspires the TDK Joker and he killed Jason Todd
@jaybrito7260
@jaybrito7260 5 жыл бұрын
OG Joker = Heath Ledger
@reyhavoc2911
@reyhavoc2911 5 жыл бұрын
OJ Joker: 50s campy Tv Joker
@theemeraldminecrafter2078
@theemeraldminecrafter2078 5 жыл бұрын
No...
@mypenisissupersmallbut5241
@mypenisissupersmallbut5241 5 жыл бұрын
@@theemeraldminecrafter2078 Nobody give a shit about what you think.
@ButterScootch
@ButterScootch 4 жыл бұрын
Matpat: there are 3 robins Damien: am I a joke to you
@j4ckpsych0_54
@j4ckpsych0_54 4 жыл бұрын
Technically there are 6 robins :3
@anagalan3893
@anagalan3893 4 жыл бұрын
hweb9dfybyuendfdhewnejrfmgewmej
@astro.8888
@astro.8888 4 жыл бұрын
@@j4ckpsych0_54 Those 2 are irrelevant
@friendlyneighborhoodautist
@friendlyneighborhoodautist 3 жыл бұрын
EMKAYYYYY
@thomaszweh2535
@thomaszweh2535 3 жыл бұрын
There's six
@sakatakintoki597
@sakatakintoki597 7 жыл бұрын
VRV: Not available in your region yet. Hang on Adam, I will send u a Sandwich asap.
@dania1829
@dania1829 7 жыл бұрын
Gin -san same
@alifepug127
@alifepug127 Жыл бұрын
WB could take advantage of this to introduce another joker that fans will love and they can say its the original joker and the one from suicide squad was a robin
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