Film Theory: Spiderman vs Spiderman Battle Royale!

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There have been so many versions of our friendly, neighborhood Spider-Man now that the time has come for a CHALLENGE! A Spider-Man battle royale! Theorists, we are going to figure out who is the STRONGEST Spider-Man of all who have donned the mask and web shooters. Will it be Tobey Maguire? Andrew Garfield? Tom Holland? OR will a new challenger approach? Let's find out!
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[@FilmTheory]

Since a lot of people are asking about the Far From Home finale, two things we factored in but didn't expressly write into the episode: 1. Across BOTH MCU movies, Peter's use of the Spider Sense is inconsistent, just like the other Spidermen. Writers tend to "forget" that it exists when they need to put Spider-Man in danger, and so sure, Tom Holland ends the movie having "mastered" the sense, but we have no evidence that he'll be able to continue using it from this point forward (and we guessed he probably won't, because it'll make him too OP if he can predict EVERY move headed his way). We have to go by what we've seen...and his sense up until the end of FFH hasn't been great. 2. Yes, he "masters" the Spider Sense at the end, but is it giving him faster reactions times? He's able to SEE THROUGH THE ILLUSIONS of Mysterio...which helps him avoid bullets and avoid the gun...but his REACTION TIME is still on par with the other Spidermen (at least when it comes to avoiding LOTS of bullets, which they all can do). It gave him better intuition. So again, largely a wash when compared to the other portrayals of the character. Don't get me wrong...Tom Holland is my FAVORITE Spider-Man. But FFH didn't give us the confidence that the Spider Sense was that much better than anyone else's. As such, when it comes to power set, in our estimation, Miles in Spiderverse still wins. But like I said, it's a theory. There are TONS of ways to analyze the question. I'm really enjoying reading everyone's thoughts on the issue -- keep 'em coming!

[@Lucifer-sn9ir]

Wait what about civil war? Couldn't you have used the airport battle a bit for Tom?

[@donutlover1913]

The Film Theorists I love y’alls channel but I have one thing to say about the battle royal. Instant kill webs.

[@SuperDman1966]

Would EDITH count as a suit? Because if it just counts as a gadget then drones would be pretty useful for this fight, especially those that can turn invisible. Plus instant kill is on his normal suit, not just the iron spider one.

[@franciscocampos9303]

Eitheir way, tom holland's spider-man didn't deserve last place since he had mastered his "peter tingle" and we don't have enough proof to say if he will still have it or not, but i believe he will keep his powers mastered, since they will be important in the next movie againt the Sinister 6 (a theory that i believe it will happen)

[@cherriesaphfire4966]

*mattypatty has joined the chat*

[@maddenb4926]

Top 2 Marvel snaps 1) Thanos’ snap 2) Gwen Staci’s spine

[@meme__juice]

oof

[@williamskatespeare9461]

OH...SNAP!

[@dirtydeedsdirtcheep3007]

Too soon!

[@roby_1101]

Madden B oof

[@everyonesfavorite7560]

That’s fucked up man

[@lanap4287]

Me watching this quietly. Matpat: I'm sensing you screaming at your screens right now.

[@jposadas8763]

LM pantomime FR THO 😂😂😂

[@rocketops8643]

True

[@AllIsFiller]

LM pantomime ok? You don't have to tell us what you do.

[@oliverpeachey1852]

True

[@priffy.]

Creeper Aw man ..? Wdum?? He’s not telling us to do anything smh

[@lordchonito]

Miles has an electro shock, so Andrews electric proof webs would be kinda useful there

[@user-it3pb5xi6p]

But if you think about it why would miles morales shock his web

[@user-it3pb5xi6p]

Unless he he is trapped like how he is by Peter Parker to the chair in into the spider verse it has only that use due to the electricity coming from his body instead of shooting it

[@mecen8]

⁠@@user-it3pb5xi6pIt could be a situation where Miles tries to shock Garfield’s Peter, but a quick webbing completely neutralizes his shock

[@genesissupernova7114]

I just realized something, the Peter B. Parker in "into the spider verse" has mechanical web shooters and not organic. So its not technically the same guy

[@BezddRed]

When I first watched Into The Spider verse, I thought that Toby's Spiderman was the one who died early in the film because he acknowledged everything in the trilogy so Peter B as Toby makes no sense to me.

[@Lelouch458]

Not the same Spider-Man as Toby but is very similar.

[@myselfthethird3393]

if we compare the hair puffiness ( never thought i'd be saying this sentence...) , it would also suggest that would be andrew garfield's spiderman . yes , tom Holland has that curl in the front too, but his hair are much flatter.

[@m1visi0n17]

he fell into a deep depression so his organic webs stopped working

[@petempressorpethog4587]

Yeah because the tobey's spider man died 10 years after becoming spider man. Peter B Parker is just a multi-verse variant of tobey's spidey

[@Kjack49044]

Matpat: pretends video doesn't include Spiderverse for 15 minutes Also Matpat: puts Miles on thumbnail 🤪

[@quantv2976]

Kevin Jackson I was gonna lose it if he put Myles in the thumbnail and didn't mention him

[@spideyaction1474]

@@quantv2976 that will be Clickbait

[@TheRavenCoder]

To be fair, it was probably the editor for this video that made the thumbnail. Matpat hasn't edited his own videos in a while.

[@siritachi31]

Nothing like getting two mins to the end of the video to get that close to being clickbait

[@kingbaaz9896]

Thumbnail: who will survive? Me: Everyone, Spider-Man just doesn't kill

[@probot6515]

Confused Aunt May: "But Spider-Man doesn't kill people..."

[@CrazedPVP]

Arbaaz Basha he killed mj before in the comics

[@l3gend561]

U got a point

[@Mimsadoodle]

@@CrazedPVP Which one I wanna read that

[@legosharkproductions1100]

Arbaaz Basha He has killed people in the comics.

[@renxybaluyot9822]

After seeing Miles go head to head with Miguel O'hara, and even escaping from the Spider Society. This theory is almost a canon event.

[@capmonkeyboy04]

Preach

[@redshiningpetals.x6867]

Not just miles but all the spiderman so yeah Canon event

[@Zyskr..]

the reason miles was winning during that, is because he was on the defense, so his spider sense could warn him when he was gonna get hit, while the other spidermen couldn't react fast enough

[@oda..]

​@@Zyskr..because he's just faster

[@Zyskr..]

@@oda.. it's plausible u believe what u want ig

[@Elmo_The_Frog]

After watching across the spider verse I can safely say that Lego Spider-Man is the real victor

[@sunnyp6982]

Matpat: Tom holland has taser webs etc Also Matpat: I can't really see electricity coming up in a fight

[@sharlenecamposeco209]

I'm dead

[@seabadger0492]

Miles can use electricity, so Andrew (ranked 4th) might be able to beat Miles

[@justbechill32]

And miles has electric powers

[@seksaouiabderraouf2531]

He did overlook a lot of stuff

[@lmpuIsee]

JD Archbold yeah but miles can do what Andrew can better and more stuff so... yeah

[@saoirse9169]

I don't know if Mattpat forgot or anything, but MILES ALSO USES ELECTRICITY

[@aureliuswirawan4502]

And he can be invisible

[@ewa1680]

But Tom has insta kill

[@Funkycactus537]

Ewa ? Yea but none of the spider men really mean to kill anyone

[@SketchitDIY]

Not really electricity is more of a sting

[@thevoyager7704]

So maybe the electricity proof webs are useful XD

[@TimeBloxOffical]

Even though this theory is good in some parts there are errors. 1. With the web shooters Tom only used his normal web-slinging and gliding. Even with more options he does not use them. (Also, Tom's gliding did not look to be much faster than regular swinging, though correct me if I am wrong.) 2. With Tobey's train scene the train kept on accelerating past 80, with top speeds between a transportation train being 125-150mph most likely the train was going at least 100+. Also, the train was not just at one speed and was pulled to be slowed down, it was trying to also speed up. (Proof: We only got to see it at 80 but the bar clearly was rising past it toward the last frames.) 3. With Andrew saving the people from Electro you forgot to include the distance and reaction between him saving the people and dealing with the car. 4. Tom can fight with his eyes closed (proven from FFH final fight scene.) That makes Miles Morale's invisibility useless against him. Otherwise, I am pretty sure everything else can be backed up by what you said.

[@therealelem]

In No way Home Tom Holand really shows how powerful his spidey sense is, he literally moves while his soul is out of his body

[@thediamondknight1123]

True.

[@lesliejen6644]

And in far from home (spoilers) at the end of the movie, Tom Holland uses and depended on it as if his life needed it. He couldn't even see!

[@lex.is.ordinary]

He was also able to detect a personality shift with Norman before it even happened

[@Anonymous41726]

Apparently his theory is correct, in a confrontation against all the other spiderman, Miles would win

[@zaidiatoranimation3947]

Yea cause nwh proves that Tobeys spiderman is stronger than toms

[@araddadi2]

“Just because i have spider sense doesn’t mean i have common sense” peter parker

[@mr.cube2125]

Love it

[@rzfszn]

...

[@zephyrash]

Lol

[@vincentzhou824]

Spider-Man Battle Royale Tom Holland: *actives instant kill

[@geekymetalhead5112]

Spiderman: *Wait...that's illegal*

[@TainyaGaming]

Wait... Thats not his powers thats a basically just his own iron man suit

[@bingbong7912]

Montana The Kryptsaiyan the rules said it was their normal suit, and that suit is tom hollands normal suit

[@israelcruz9444]

@@TainyaGaming But MatPat established that all of Tom Hollands web combos are included. And the instant kill mode is available in his basic suit along side with the rest of the combos as a scene in Homecoming shows the suit activating instakill mode, but Peter deactivating it. Thus instakill mode is included. (or should be at least)

[@jedi_cat_l4976]

Mat: "I don't think having shock-proof webbing would be that important in a spider man battle" Tom Peter: I have a shock webbing type Miles: I literally have a shock ability

[@spider-man7867]

Miles isn't apart of this

[@matijasostojic4288]

Tom: I also have 1 billion other web types

[@Egg-vp4by]

@@matijasostojic4288 it wasn't counted tho are u dumb watch the video again

[@gamingnamehere1560]

@@spider-man7867 he is lol

[@monagoat1503]

@@spider-man7867 did you even watch the video 😂😂

[@angryscottishman9]

For some strange reason, nobody ever acknowledges the scene from the end of Spider-Man 2, where Peter holds up the giant metal wall, then proceeds to THROW IT over his head. I feel like that is a considerable feat of strength that just get's flat out ignored by everyone

[@sonicmcdonald5000]

I mean it wasn’t giant and it was just a wall and tiny to compared to other things

[@goosecooker6347]

Sam raimi’s spider man 2?

[@angryscottishman9]

@@goosecooker6347 yea

[@dominicsitto]

and tom holland holding a building above his head

[@cignux2735]

@@dominicsitto the feat that tobey did i spiderman 2 at the end is stronger than tom's feats the reason i say that is the youtuber crisis said that feat was city block+ level since the sun that doc ock made was pulling things from the city and from that close it would be insane

[@halex107]

MatPat: references far from home with the tingle joke also MatPat: Doesn't acknowledge the final fight with Mysterio where Holland literally tingles his way to victory.

[@r3ys]

Halex sixth senseeeee

[@ADAJ342]

That's good an all but the tingle helped him "see" Past Mysterios illusion. not to improve his reaction speed

[@justko1654]

Adrián Alonso the sense helped Peter stop Mysterio from shooting him in the head at point blank in the final scene

[@r3ys]

Ragged holy moly where the only two people who actually watched it

[@ADAJ342]

@@wmmrt9858, well yes, that's What I said.

[@geoff420]

In infinity war peter sensed that the guardians were coming even though the guardians couldn’t be heard by doctor strange and tony stark

[@333dae]

I think people mistake the FFH plot of Peter using his spider sense as him discovering it, when if you paid attention he already knows he has some sort of sixth sense but it hasn't been working properly since he blipped back.

[@amnathegrande]

Ooo good one 😂

[@tucosalamanca5818]

Again that doesn’t give him a better reaction time, but more of a tool for alertness

[@somenerdpng]

Cool, are these people using bots because everyone does realise, this is how normal fucking spidersense works lmfao, please stop being so fucking stupid

[@Traivons_World]

It wasn't Peter B. Parker that had the same experiences. It was Peter Parker from Miles' universe.

[@sabsyoutube241]

both had thr same experience. Peter from miles universe was in reverse to the movies though. Like the scene where Marie jane kisses spiderman in the rain is mirrored

[@FobyTox07]

Best part of no way home is when they acknowledge the fact Toby's webs are natural

[@MichaelTaylor-td8ws]

Ok no matter what, we know that the one scientist who said "he has a bagel" is the best

[@Chiamy]

That joke like honestly reminds me of the Lego Ninjago movie XD idk the humor like fits in that movie

[@MichaelTaylor-td8ws]

@@Chiamy I don't think I watched that movie........ As long as I make people laugh I'm happy

[@darthvader5514]

Instant kill mode: I'm about to end this man's whole career.

[@LoganoPiano]

Darth Vader And this mans life

[@nolimitscoasterguy4813]

Darth Vader is right if this was a fight to the DEATH Tom would win with him saying Edith activate instant kill

[@thedoctorfez1865]

Well, if this was a fight to the Death and if wearing other suits/accessories is allowed, then Tom would just say to Edith to Nuke all the other Spider-Men but if no accessories, then Tom just has to put on the Iron Spider Suit and activate Instant Kill.

[@Oreyee]

@@nolimitscoasterguy4813 except didn't they say that suits weren't going to be a factor? If we're pulling in stuff invented by other people in your franchise, then couldn't Andrew Garfield win by gassing everyone with Lizard toxin or something?

[@coryhooper8895]

i think that would be classified as part of the iron spider suit, which was established wouldnt be accounted for in this (as lets face it, tom hollands regular suit is so outfitted by stark, to have any of the other tech would make it far too easy)

[@superjumpbros64]

Tobey: I missed the part where that's my problem

[@dazzlingdexter5060]

I hope they make a live action Miles Movie

[@Backroomsloverfreak]

they are

[@dannymartial7997]

Unironically, Spider Ham would win. He can pull a Thanos and drop a moon on his enemies, better yet, he’d pull the moon out of his pocket mid battle.

[@CricketsTavern]

His pockets that don’t even exist he is our god

[@alpharius2omegaboogaloo384]

Until Maguire tells him he’s trash.

[@MrKane-lu8eg]

@@CricketsTavern he has a hammer Spider verse

[@hughjazz8655]

Cartoon characters are soooo op

[@unlinedphoton7965]

@@alpharius2omegaboogaloo384 untill maguire puts some dirt in his eye

[@Theepic750]

Wait but you didn't calculate anything for miles, how is that fair to assume he's better because of one off-guard encounter with Peter?

[@AdamAdver]

Yea

[@rizzioly358]

Not to mention spider sense senses threats, in that scene I doubt peter was thinking of miles as a threat, letting miles catch him off guard

[@cezanne7775]

he wasn't even a threat no doubt

[@Hybattt]

What was he going to do punch miles he didn’t even talk about webs spider sense is said to only work with villains

[@fat-tailrepublic5352]

Is that the ceo of racism I hear

[@official_spreab5814]

You should definitely do a theory on Across the Spider-Verse since it just came out!

[@swirlheartytv7223]

with no way home and infinity war, we know tom holland’s sense is more of his head telling him to move or that theres something dangerous near. in infinity war, the reason he was the most scared while blipping was because his head was screaming at him that there was danger, but peter didn’t know what it was and how to stop it.

[@Amy-yf9zc]

Mat: Taser web. Also Mat: i can't see how electro proof webbing could help in this situation.

[@galemisoki6320]

Tasers....hit the person.. Electric proof webs are not a person..... But if creative enough can be used as a shield but i doubt

[@metazoxan2]

I mean electric proof webbing only stops it from traveling through the web.

[@Error0101]

@@metazoxan2 Or the web shooter

[@sunnyp6982]

Copy

[@kamwaty]

Electro proof and taste webs aren't the same😐

[@Levi_52_336]

Miles didn't fight Peter, he just suprised him. *Mat Pat - Sounds like he won that fight*

[@wonderrofl]

Exactly. Same with the Doc Oc analysis. Miles got the ambush on Doc Oc. Peter B Parker wasn't even trying to fight Doc Oc either. He was trying to install the goober.

[@spideygamer8896]

he also mixed up peter b parker with the peter from miles universe

[@ZeusEBoy]

On your side, he also said spider Gwen didn’t beat Peter in into the spiderverse which I would argue she definitely did, but on his side, I’d say miles got the ambush because of his camouflage power so it should count cause it wasn’t a surprise based win it was an ability win. And plus Miles Morales is canonically stronger than peter Parker.

[@raawesome3851]

Well, he was able to not only beat doc oc, but he was also able to install the goober. He still beats them in overall natural skillsets, since he turned invisible and summoned electricity at will

[@WadetheBadger]

@@ZeusEBoy Not true, at least if you are going with canon, meaning the original aka, Comic spidey. Both Spidey and Spidey 2099 are physically stronger and faster than Miles. Miles has more powers but canonly is not quite as strong or fast. However, he is stronger than the Ultimate Spidey which is the universe Miles is from, but the 616 (Original) Spidey is stronger than Ultimate spidey by quite a bit. Which is ironic, because Ultimate Spidey's villains are almost all stronger than their 616 versions. It is weird, and comics are weird. Note, none of this reflects on the movies variations, just the canon (Originals) for the characters.

[@fire-blade354]

The fact Across The Spider-Verse basically confirmed this theory

[@notWal7]

I would love to see a new version of this video with certain characters from Spider Man: Across the Spiderverse considering how overpowered certain individuals are in that movie

[@williamnader139]

What about the battle between mysterio and Tom Holland when he used his peter tingle to save his life

[@longboi13]

that was when he learned it perfectly to use the spider tingles

[@333dae]

Yeah he wasn't even opening his eyes in that scene, literally just using his spider sense to dodge bullets and take down the drones at the same time

[@rooban989]

Why are there so many spoilers in the comments

[@doodletoast4315]

_peter tingle_

[@basillo3805]

Miles won anyway

[@Pmf95k]

Electricity will probably not happen in the fight Miles: hold my spray can

[@stevenbobbybills]

Tom: Hold my Taser webs

[@stevenkarris9888]

@@stevenbobbybills i think miles got the strongest spider the least experience

[@jacobsalazar5181]

Miles made elatersty so useful he saved the fracking multi verse

[@user-xy6tk1wh2k]

@@jacobsalazar5181 Which doesn’t really look hard because it happens EVERY FEW COMICS

[@Sebastian62608]

Tom definitely takes Spider Sense now, he’s the only one to sense that Norman was Goblin.

[@darkmega710]

He sensed that something bad was about to happen and honostly imo he is still the worst in terms of spider sense because he is the only one to get that type of scene out of all the spider-men, I would also say that NWH shows that Tobey is stronger than Tom since he stops Tom from impailing Norman

[@Sebastian62608]

@@darkmega710 Him being the only one to get that type of scene just proves it further. He’s the only one to be able to just sense that Norman was off. He also has that scene in Far From Home.

[@longshot9058]

Please an updated version since we saw a more in depth version of how Tom’s Spider sense works in No Way Home and a couple more important things.

[@user-xy6tk1wh2k]

Like factoring Miles properly

[@jasonbell2008]

“It’s hard to imagine electricity playing a role here” Bruh. You’ve already mentioned TASER webs.

[@reigndoesthings8582]

Also Miles later in the vid

[@bigdaddyswagmoney]

@@reigndoesthings8582 he more mentioned the invisibility rather than the bio electricity

[@dasneat3320]

True but that means that could means it could only happen between tom and Andrew and tazer webs clearly can conduct electricity just as well and not affect tom so its a stand still

[@artist0154]

what did you expect? that they cross webs like colliding bullets? his webs are non conductor, not his suit, what is he going to do? wrap himself on his own web?

[@electricpikachu3440]

Miles can go invis and bio electricity

[@NSx2006]

Miles talking to Peter: “Have you ever heard of the shoulder touch?”

[@oofmate911]

eY

[@AndrewCheshire]

Interesting that you pulled in another contender at the end and declared him the winner without saying anything about his strength, webs, or agility and Spider-Sense.

[@lennykuz3994]

They webs would be the same cause miles got his shooters from aunt may, but the other things idk 🤷‍♂️

[@Anna-tm8po]

He did. He just didn't show it in the video

[@Anna-tm8po]

Well I don't think adding another 10minutes just to examine one more Spiderman would be smart. More editing. More time to watch. But really i dont think it's that bad we trust him

[@lordlofty9689]

@@Anna-tm8po we?

[@prska]

​@@Anna-tm8powe don't, and miles isn't nowhere near peter parker in terms of strength, speed and spidersense

[@jocelyneloisepriwono292]

and everything has come full circle

[@Ptatoo]

"Karen activate instant kill!" Other spidermen: *WAIT THAT'S ILLEGAL*

[@shumue3429]

Spidey doesn't kill

[@ravnhaveland9594]

"Why? Tony made the first suite, my new one is just a lot of upgrades. Therefore: it is ok." (Milles while invisible) "And there the electronic is shutting down."

[@phobetor9638]

@@ravnhaveland9594 u gonna tell me miles can break open spideys suit without him noticing even if he is invisible anyone can see that also karen would notice and say

[@hotduelist]

@@phobetor9638 his venom blast is electric

[@extinctgats]

Exactly what I was thinking. But if we're not using the suits I'd say Tom would still win because of what he's done in Infinity and Civil War. He took out Ant-Man and grabbed Cap's shield mid-air

[@penndraigh]

Miles literally caught Peter off guard. Doesn't mean he was going toe-to-toe and won. And if you're saying "then why didn't Peter's spider-sense go off!" uh, because it recognizes Miles as an ally.

[@RongDMemer]

Pretty sure it depend on plot armor or just how strong do the director wants them to be

[@thejazzrat977]

I feel like ham has a chance though, his confrontation with the live actions would go one of two ways. Either the wacky cartoon logic applies and ham is guarenteed the win or because hams in the real world he plays by it’s rules, in which case the other spidermen will be serving him up for dinner

[@kayleighm9634]

*It’s kinda clear here who would win: Drake Bell as animated Spider-Man. Duh.*

[@isaacdiakite6249]

Sadly, apart from strength you might be right.

[@CosmiKazie]

I’m sorry DRAKE BELL WAS SPIDER MAN?????

[@isaacdiakite6249]

@@CosmiKazie Yeah as Ultimate Spiderman on Disney XD channel.

[@Monnman]

Kayleigh Fabulous *sad Josh Keaton noises*

[@sasukesfan]

He can kick miles’ ass in a second with his time stopping power

[@This_is-a-handle]

MatPat in a nutshell: *Well yes, but actually no*

[@yizao9289]

But actually yes but actually no but actually yes but actually no but ITS JUST A THEORY A FILM THEORY AND CUT

[@goldendoodlz4555]

definitely

[@sandychen1381]

Yes

[@salamandermander925]

But yes

[@ICoolziesou8cr]

Bro was right even in across the spiderverse honestly it’s insane to look at it now

[@EoJMember]

A little curious if you're gonna do a revised version of this since the sequel for Spider-Verse came out a while back. Still love this theory!

[@xdecatron2985]

Miles Morales: *basically sucker punches Peter B* MatPat: He's stronger than Toby *and* Tom!

[@SomeGuyXD65]

Miles is canonically established as weaker in the comics.

[@munchielitten5961]

Hes also weak in the movie ITSV cuz king pin was about to crack his skull and effectivly got beat by him in just 4 mins if the fight only won do to that zap of HEY was cool and funny but stupid stuff like that can't be a reliance if he couldnt use it the first before king pin broke into the train , sonehow he got in lol anyway i find miles c tier garbage its really just his two uther abillitys that saved his ars first shock accident second shock suddenly realizes need to help friends and keep a promise to his unlce and spidy third shock never happens cuz it sparked xD final shock random and yet ut worked like an ass pull

[@TheChaoticInsanity]

@@munchielitten5961 Not quite accurate. Miles proved he was stronger than Peter by doing something Peter failed. Peter DIED when the King Pin hit him with a full force double axe handle. Miles survived it, and had more than enough stamina to take out KP and save the multiverse. With Peter being a near clone of Peter B, Matt's conclusion makes sense.

[@Zacurafire]

@@SomeGuyXD65 Thats either a lie or misinformed. Miles won their first fight in Spider-men. His bioshock move is literally all he needs, and it wasn't even mentioned in this video

[@SomeGuyXD65]

@@Zacurafire He does have the ability of turning invisible and shocking people but it's already been established that he struggles with controlling it. He's also not as strong or smart as Peter, although an argument can be made that Miles is far faster than Peter. In the comics we see time and time again that Miles becomes a nervous mess in key moments which simply does not occur with someone as experienced as Peter. Mat cites their confrontation of the movie as evidence that Miles is a better fighter but leaves out the fact that Peter has been fighting for far longer than Miles has, not to mention that Peter in this universe is no longer a young and fit college student but an out of shape dad bod in his mid to late thirties. Regardless of who is your favorite spiderman, Toby has a better theme song than Miles which already sets him up as the best SpiderMan hands down.

[@christianfont5717]

You say Peter B. Parker is Toby McGuire Spider-Man, but Peter B. Parker doesn’t produce his web, he has web shooter gadgets

[@zayden1569]

Yes but he later continues to say that he is used as a stand in for Maguire's Spider-Man

[@katara_grayson]

Chris Font yeah. Ive been seeing theorys that Tom hollands peter is the same as peter b parker

[@firstname697]

He said that it isn't the exact same as the Tobey Spiderman

[@yoshikagekira5196]

Peter B Parker, went threw a nasty divorce, and we see that Toby's wedding ability is affected by his emotions in Spider-Man 2, maybe that's why.

[@IzzuZiq]

While Peter B does use mechanical webshooters like Tom's, the webs are at least as powerful assuming he did the train stopping thing Tobey and RIPeter did

[@JoshMoore1306]

5:42 WHAT? That wasn't his "grip ending" he literally can stick to it. The bumper broke. It's the same thing with Cap in Avengers: AoU

[@JoshMoore1306]

7:42 She still would've died by fall damage.. :| C'mon MatPat, I thought you were smarter than this

[@Samilion101]

petition for him to redo this after seeing no way home

[@ehabtds]

Did u consider Spiderman Far from home Peter Tingle? When he closed his eyes and eliminated all the drones using his Peter Tingle only?

[@camerongrower5246]

no. no he didn't lmao

[@trashyfortnitecontentcreat9822]

He even talked about the Peter tingle, and that's only in FFH

[@CJ-ty4ml]

@@trashyfortnitecontentcreat9822 yeah but not that scene

[@Vandheleister]

Please just call it Spider Sense because somehow it's less cringey than that

[@majcry4188]

Spoiler alert

[@edcr92]

Miles defeating Peter B Parker was a “goober”. A goober that establishes Miles is ready to complete the plot.

[@AshSh03s]

Insomniac Spider-man: Ha, lemmie take the wheel.

[@WarrenValion]

I think No Way Home answered this question well

[@NotAnEldritchHorror]

Matpat: Tom Holland's Spiderman has stun-webs, shock-webs ect. Literally a second after Matpat: I don't know if electricity proofing will have any impact in a spiderman v spiderman battle.

[@caseycoventry1003]

Lol so true

[@trans-ruffboi4605]

tbh I thought that was just foreshadowing for miles

[@dr.little7311]

Who would win? “Karen, activate Instant Kill.”

[@Fredlyy]

"Karen, take their kids"

[@trevenantlord988]

"Attempting to speak with manager as we speak, peter."

[@Havikolabee]

Karen: "Insta kill activated"

[@truepatrician4700]

I know it's a joke but spider sense basically nullifies that

[@savagewonton6986]

Karen, be Plankton’s wife

[@ASTERIA_YT]

Funny how this came on my recommendation page after watching an across the spider verse video

[@xilyeve]

As someone from the future who saw Miles 1v1000+ all the spiderman I feel like this is canon

[@sorensharp4377]

But you didn't judge Miles the same way that you judged the other three... You didn't rate his strength, webs, and agility. That's my main gripe but also the thing that literally everyone else is saying--- Why did you ignore Far From Home?

[@rockhamada294]

Soren Sharp he might not have seen it yet or the movie wasn’t out when he made the video

[@sorensharp4377]

You fools who say it was made before the movie came out: HE REFERENCES THE PETER TINGLE, SOMETHING THAT WAS ONLY IN FAR FROM HOME.

[@raawesome3851]

Because it is considered a spoiler, and since he doesn't have his suit on him in that movie

[@raawesome3851]

@@soloners he doesn't dodge drones, he just sees and knows where they are.

[@SmartassEyebrows]

@@raawesome3851 Not sure you fully understand what "dodging" means.

[@cullencaines923]

And Tom Holland is able to dodge mysterio's bullet when it's only a few feet away from him you should calculate that reaction speed

[@yony4k]

Cullen Caines YEAH!

[@munromister777]

All three of them have feats like that, so he took that out.

[@Ssjfa886]

Tom couldn’t fully stop the ferry as it was still moving and the train feat wasn’t even toms best feat as he lifts up a mini star with even more debris on top of him

[@thisduckisonfire8714]

eyy the bully miguire dance at 15:05

[@mystexe]

but if miles does turn invisible, the Tom Holland spider man could still sense him because he could sense the invisible drones and cloaked mysterio in far from home

[@Zacurafire]

All the spider-men could sense him, but they would also be sensing the other spider-men attacking them. Miles could slip in through that

[@mitchellconner6928]

@@Zacurafire i mean, if tom could sense a veritable army of drones assaulting him, i think he could sense multiple spider-men/gwen/pig/bot.

[@meechr898]

xd Myst yea but venom shock is literally busted

[@enielsanchez8099]

Well it makes sense

[@presentbongo4932]

Yep

[@jetpackdino5703]

Spider-Man: "My Spidey sense is tingling" Doctor: "Sir, you have testicular cancer"

[@OverlordMMM]

No wonder why his Peter tingles.

[@lesliewolfe7643]

Lol

[@waldo754]

Lol

[@diamonddonutgamergirl1361]

Lol

[@catherinevo6060]

JetpackDino xD

[@thegoldengamer9929]

I believe that the modern movies stretch the dramaticness of the abilities more than the previous movie

[@Menaaa10]

insomniac spider man would smoke them all

[@couchgod9574]

Matpat: The "Peter tingle" isn't very useful for Tom Holland Far From Home: I'm 'bout to end this whole mans career

[@Dashielline]

That's what bugged me the entire episode xD

[@Sizzlinpapaya1014]

Yea, this bugged me too. The entire climax of the movie is him using his sense to dodge things.

[@ImAfemaleNoob2]

Yeah that bugged me too

[@karolchruzik1919]

Oh please, he can fight blindfolded. That doesn't really scale up to 260 ultra instinct.

[@Jorge-dh1hp]

It’s impressive but not as impressive as the other’s

[@spyke7311]

Matpat: Tom Holland is not the winner! Tom Holland’s Spiderman: *instant kill mode activated* Spiderman 2099: you are dead to me

[@inkz34]

The Ferry feat is only multiplying the mass by gravity, but the water has a normal oposite force to gravity in surface, and also the density of water stops the objects to sink(the buoyancy effect). Stops something to sink requires a lot less force than lifting it

[@user-ln4sq1tn1b]

I feel like Spider Ham could just solo everyone because of toon force.

[@dr.ninjake]

2 issues: A: the reason SP-DR got taken out is because it took fire for Noir B: Peter Tingle could theoretically counter invisibility, as he used it in the final confrontation with Mysterio

[@miguelcastillo3723]

So Tom is the winner That guy on the fairy was correct

[@babyyoshi3099]

@@miguelcastillo3723 I don't know, Toby's Spider Sense is a pretty major advantage.

[@kamwaty]

Honestly it still doesn't proof anything much. If the movie actually spend some time on those characters they advertised like crazy maybe(probably) we could figure out who is stronger I'm a easier way

[@justanotherweirdo11]

@@babyyoshi3099 They're both advantageous in different ways.

[@miguelcastillo3723]

@@babyyoshi3099 well let me think about it he was the one who exert any was stronger amount of force hue Diaz have a lot of webbing 576 to be correct Spider Sense fought through the illusions Not to mention Tom Holland went up against captain America vulture giant elemental monsters and thanos too

[@obiequinones832]

Matpat: *talks about spidersense* Also matpat: *uses miles invisibility as a reason he can beat the other spidermen*

[@KvngLeroy1]

It would work if miles has good enough control

[@firestarr5812]

faulty footwrk Nope, Spider Sense trumps invisibility. We know this because of Far From Home.

[@gonzales991999]

Well, spider sense depends on if they trust the person.

[@MrThwippy]

Firestarr 58 but miles also has spider sense plus invincibility plus being smaller faster and more agile as well as being more energized. The crazy thing about it is that Miles is by far the Strongest especially when you consider him with experience.

[@ruisurengai]

@@gonzales991999 trust or not seen as a threat.

[@kanewilson8624]

About the boat vs the train scene, you gotta remember how much webbing they used to complete the hold. Tom Spiderman had to use over a hundred to do it for 6 seconds and still fail. Tobey Spider-Man only used 14 to bring the train to a COMPLETE stop without outside help. Remember the webbing in homecoming is taking 90%of the ACTUAL strain of the act here, unlike Spider-Man 2 where Tobey Spiderman is the complete anchor holding the webbing to get the strain to stop. So 10% is 3100000 for 6 seconds which is still pretty impressive.

[@lilwizerd9537]

Another thing is that the only reason he actually failed is because he missed a web. Otherwise, he would have pulled the ferry together and had his webs keep it working

[@MusicGuy24099]

he is gonna go crazy after across the spiderverse.

[@MasterGX]

You kind of forgot about the final showdown between Tom Holland and Mysterio's drones, and also reacted to Mysterio shooting him from behind him.

[@freewyvern707]

I can't quite remember the last scene, and i guess the reason he didn't include was th fact it isn't on disc yet. Saying the gun gun was a Glock 19(a common pistol) and the distance was 5m. It would of taken 0.005333 seconds(or 1/1875 of a second) to travel making his reaction time 7.2x greater thsn Tobi's

[@dastvan8002]

So with that evidence that would mean that the final tally is #1 Miles Morales #2 Tom Holland #3 Tobey Maguire #4 Andrew Garfield #5 The cameo spider-people

[@Jose-dh1xz]

He didn't dodge a bullet, he moved the gun away from his head.

[@MrThwippy]

Free I don't even remember Beck pulling the trigger

[@leon1201]

@@freewyvern707 the distance was arms length Beacuse tom holland was able to lift the pistol above his head

[@SkyDude-wd3ow]

"It's had to imagine electricity being a rule in a Spider-Man fight" 5 seconds earlier: Tom has Taser Webs. Really, Mat. Really.

[@jacksonroy8720]

"don't forget miles has electric powers so he's totally stronger"

[@puppyxfyr9757]

This theory is sorta dum tbh... gonna rewatch all the fnaf theories to counteract it

[@gixerasdfghjkl678]

Did you even watch the video? That statement was specifically being applied to Toby vs Andrew. Tom was excluded because his webs were already established as the best.

[@chishuma]

Spider Ham is the strongest. Cartoon logic means he can’t die. Even if he gets crushed, he just is prefectally fine.

[@SpagettiSpeltWrong]

In NWH, I think the strength of Tom Holland's spider sense is heavily supported. 1. In Spider-verse, the Spider sense is represented by these little squiggles around the Spider-Man's head. When Strange pushes Peter out of his physical body, you can see those same squiggles around his head (they're a bit hard to see because they're clear, but you can see them). It allows him to dodge Strange insanely quickly. I like to think this is his spider sense is at his best because his soul (his emotions, his hesitation, ect.) is separated from his actual physical body. It's like Jarvis from Age of Ultron. He was stopping Ultron from obtaining nuclear codes without even knowing it. He still *existed* as a program but his intelligence was "killed" or "dismantled" per se. It's the same for Tom. His intelligence was separated from his body but his reflexes, his "spider sense" is still in his fully functioning brain. 2. In another scene where Tom is working on the cure for Green Goblin, his spider sense is obviously warning him about something, but as explained in Homecoming, Tom has trouble focusing. Especially against multiple people (I think). His spider sense is warning him constantly about threats but it's hard for him to focus on which one is most important. It's why his suits eyes are the way they are. They're like binoculars in a way. In No Way Home, it's obvious he detects the threat. It's clear that his spider sense is working, but he's in a room full of super villains. He can't tell where it's coming from until he closes his eyes and focuses on it entirely. I think the reason he's so disorganized when in battle is because he's still young. He's still technically a kid. His attention in battle is constantly drawn from one thing to the next, and it's hard for him to focus until the danger is right behind him. (Like in Captain America Civil War when Caps shield nearly hits him in the back of the head. In a more relaxed situation, I'm sure he would've been able to dodge it far quicker than he did) In conclusion, I think this makes Tom's Spider sense is far superior than Andrew's and Tobey's (probably right on par with someone like Miles Morales). It's not just a "better than average reflex", it's an alert system. It's an alarm. It helps him detect danger even when he's technically not in it. Even though his Spider Sense in infinity war doesn't activate until the ship is basically right behind him, it activates far earlier than it would for Tobey or Andrew, and maybe even Miles. It activates long before he's directly in the line of fire, which in a way, makes it a lot more useful. I think a fully adult and fully realized MCU Spider-Man would win in a Spider Man battle royal against the big three. His spider sense along with his quick thinking and experience would be able to help him come out on top. I'm not exactly that knowledgeable when it comes to this kinda stuff so please let me know if I got something wrong.

[@lex.is.ordinary]

Not to mention that the threat he detected with the Green Goblin was a personality shift before it happened which is literally impossible since we can only detect that after it happens so he was able to do the impossible

[@comic-guin528]

Matpat. Buddy. "Tom's Peter does nothing of note with his spider sense" Did you see Far From Home?

[@raawesome3851]

Yeah, but it didn't make him able to, say, predict movements, or see a few seconds in the future, like some iterations of the spider sense have, and it definitely won't stop electricity, especially since his power seems inconsistent. Even at the end, he only is able to do it for a few seconds at best.

[@TheRedwater357]

​@@raawesome3851 No, it just made him able to literally avoid things he couldn't see or hear.

[@mohammadmurie]

@@raawesome3851 both Tom and Andrew have electro webs so they can also electrocute Miles

[@lifeofentropy]

@@mohammadmurie Andrew doesnt have electro webs, he has electro proof webs. So he wont fry is web shoots if he gets hit with electricity

[@Monnman]

Ra awesome every single Spider-Man’s spider sense is somewhat inconsistent

[@RadicalCapitol]

Interesting.. but what about Peter dodging Mysterio's Drones in pure darkness for the Spidey-Sense Section?

[@oreoman5993]

He wrote this before it came out

[@devinator9582]

First off, I would replace Pure Darkness with illusions since that is what the drones do. Second off, Its better than Tobey's and Andrew's Spidersense with that feat alone.

[@javisbavis]

@@devinator9582 he is saying pure darkness because his eyes were closed

[@tylerball5996]

@@devinator9582 He means pure darkness because his eyes were closed the entire time so he wouldn't be tricked by the illusions

[@calebismehehe2194]

Not only was it just dark, but he closed his eyes, too.

[@jacoblacroix4903]

I feel like Tobey would win in the long run because sure miles could catch him off guard, but that doesn’t mean the fight is over just because he tripped him once. And besides if it was a really long fight between the three Spider-Men (miles, Tom, and tobey) then it’s safe to assume that after some time miles and Tom would run out of webs, making them have a slight disadvantage

[@samsational1163]

Can we do a revamp? Absolutely incredible theory, but since MCU's no way home with an actual meet up and all the villains, would the end result be different?

[@OnyDeus]

MatPat: Tough to imagine electricity playing a role in a Spiderman vs Spiderman fight. Miles Morales: Hold my bagel.

[@cheesecakelasagna]

that's true love right there^

[@thebuddercweeper]

Peter Parker who has TASER WEBS: “am I a joke to you”

[@justinpoweel4197]

You Didn’t Judge Any Of The Parkers On Intellect, In A Head To Head Fight This Would Matter In Some Capacity.

[@princezuko9430]

Gaddix Garfield wins easily

[@jacksonroy8720]

@@princezuko9430 true, then it's Holland, then it's Toby, then miles

[@awesomesharkhand1876]

@@princezuko9430 The dude had to watch youtube videos on batteries, he had to watch things that kids learn in 4th grade.

[@tylerwilson1024]

Tom Holland is the smartest one

[@jamichaeldowden2514]

@@tylerwilson1024 hi

[@mr.overlord9770]

Funny how it threw all that research away for a sweep kick

[@Seli_Lema]

4:27 don't forget the action of friction, the tension from the webs, the brakes and other factors which would take from the strength he'd need

[@itsthesoundofchaos4293]

The only thing is that Peter B. wasn’t trying to hurt Miles

[@clockworkcthulhu8195]

Alright we've done all the research, analyzed their weapons and abilities. It's time for a DEATH BATTLE!

[@mittycommitspizzatime92]

Clockwork Cthulhu NO! NO GOD PLEASE NO! NO! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@crusaderdoomslayer7055]

No

[@arnulfocasco4804]

I WASNT A DEATH BATTLE NOW SO MUCH

[@buddybear1268]

yes

[@galezephyr3396]

No,I want cartoon fight club

[@powdereyes2210]

Here’s a simple fact You can’t calculate fairness of inexperience matching up to someone who got out of shape and didn’t use his powers for all that long anymore Also we don’t even truly know if he’s the EXACT peter parker So this is a hypothesis at best

[@jicaste2124]

Years later, we see in No Way Home that Tom's Spider-Sense is better. It activates before something happens.

[@TheMadHatter248]

OBJECTION! Why is “Witty Banter with Villains” not a category?

[@lillimarcengill8777]

Mike Yao TRUS

[@joaquinleon4114]

You mean quips?

[@notBrennan19]

Very true

[@zampoloo]

Get out.

[@him5810]

@@zampoloo ?

[@hamza-chaudhry]

You said that electricity wouldn't be important in a Spider-Man Battle Royale, but surely it would if you're counting Miles Morales as he has electrical powers

[@meggamatty]

Hamza Chaudhry he said on screen only but he gave a character more experience for some reason.

[@lingokingo2079]

But he didn't mention his electrical powers he mentioned his invisibility so if he did miles would have had a BIGGER chance at winning

[@gonk3551]

plus tom hollands electro webs

[@cobyonekinobi7406]

And toms tazer webs

[@wingscancer]

Coby Hulme he also has EIDITH

[@user-cz2cg6sr5d]

Spider-man: Not at Home: "..." Spider-man: Can't get Home: *"GET THE F**K OUTTA MY WAY MO*******KING PAPARAZZOS!"* -Tom Holland

[@CooperYTShorts]

After across the Spider-verse it’s even more of a runaway race

[@godfreyyu8132]

It’s unfair that you compared Miles with Peter without using the three comparison points you started with

[@SH3RIFFO]

Exactly!

[@phlpcockrell]

"Miles tripped peter once and stole something off him when his guard was down, therefore miles is stronger, faster, and would totally win in a fight" sounds legit.

[@gadg3tguy05]

That’s what I was thinking-

[@cogwheel6076]

agreed

[@smiilez6284]

Came looking for this

[@WaleighWallace]

I feel like Miles had a little bit of plot armor in that final scene. Plus he wasn’t put through the rest of the categories like the others. It sounds a lot like Death Battle, where one feat that someone clearly didn’t do the physics on or threw in for a gag, just blows any other feats out of the water. Is Miles strong? Yes Do we have enough material to accurately judge his strength? No

[@jaydencastro1816]

Thank you

[@meechr898]

Waleigh the Scarfmeister I agree but even so miles venom shock and invisibility trump basic spider abilities by miles in my opinion

[@goat_sama8239]

He really didn't have any plot armour. Dude just use everything he learned across the movie to defeat Kingpin and earn his title as his universe's spiderman

[@biz7396]

Yeah but after king pin hit him once he stood there until miles got up if he didn’t it would’ve been over

[@jamescupidon1661]

You didn't watch the ultimate spiderman series then

[@axellucielle9060]

Shouldn't Tom Hollland Spider-Man lose the webbing competion?Since he has the TONY STARK Advantage meaning he didnt make it?Its like going in a Science Fare and hiring a PROFESSIONAL scientist to make a top of the line creation for you?A gundam that actually moves, a robot dog that looks like the one from Metal Gear, or a friggin' functional Iron Man Suit even!