Film Theory: Venom is the VICTIM! (Spiderman)

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Venom - the symbiote with a taste for... well, people. Not only does Venom have a human host in Eddie Brock, but he chomps down on a few as well. Is that ACTUALLY good for him? You see, I think that Venom is being HURT by the humans he needs to survive! How? Let me show you!
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[@thegrayfox151]

Don't tell everyone my secret

[@TheHyBriD3I6]

Why did you save Edy from the explosion if you are just a selfish parasite???

[@Unicorn_Barf]

The problem is, one of the most popular channels with millions of viewers already did... RIP

[@werr3222werrr]

Venom yes

[@darthcheese_9645]

ALL HAIL VENOM!!!

[@trooper5474]

You are a parasite

[@sonni6181]

The Film Theorist: "He's a parasite" Venom: *Apologize!*

[@bettergamer1705]

Lol

[@scatt948]

XD

[@idontreallyknow3829]

Venom: how dare you?

[@stoptalesansthefandomhasgo3228]

Me: Fresh is one of those parasites because he is not an sans. But I not sure Vemon is one.

[@gojifan8093]

Parasite!

[@shadophaxx2401]

Eddie: "What really made you change your mind?" Venom: "You. You did, Eddie."

[@kale1209]

I just watched venom and it was one of the best films I've seen in a while

[@victer8983]

@Derek Glasscock you msdmsn

[@justigz992]

So gay.

[@mcnugget3098]

Symbrock

[@gregorie3752]

I fucken loved venom omg lol one of my faves with dr strange

[@Darth_Edits.]

MatPat: venom is lost and scared Venom: let’s bite all their heads off

[@mxngos7493]

i mean it makes sense. When lions are afraid of humans they attack and defend themselves, so it isn't far fetched. If venom was scared then the main response would most likely be "defend urself"

[@Belphegirl]

I mean… there’s a reason it’s called FIGHT or flight…

[@jaimehoffman3209]

Now here me out here.... We have a pile of body's in this corner and a pile of heads over in this corner

[@rkade1486]

Seems pretty scared to me.

[@meryfuentes1761]

Brains and choclets is litiraly what he eats! Eddy wants to just feed him chocolate. but in the movie venom gose insane and yells at eddy and says "i canot just LIVE of of CHOCOLATE eddy! I need real food! , Brain food! " As u can see he gose insane and its honestly like a craving kinda like me when i have a craving to tayste something difrent plus maybe its for venoms sanaty of brains and as we can see in venom 2 carnege eats a human and gets a strangth power up he litiraly says "its time for a power up!" And just eats a man whole soooo hes ether realy hungry or scared and is defending him self!

[@linkboy7212]

“The movie sells the idea that venom is trying to corrupt Eddie Brock, but in the end, it might just be Eddie who ends up purifying Venom” Wow, you were right on the dot with that one

[@springtrapgamer716]

Holy crap your right!

[@Sanji66]

he bonds with humans so he can survive

[@samuellalonde1279]

Ya it's true

[@FilmTheory]

To everyone who's upset that in the movie Venom himself says he's not a parasite, ask yourself this: Would a parasite BE HONEST and SAY he's a parasite? Just sayin'...

[@meldrickedwards1785]

I guess your right because in the movie it says eddie was dying and later he finds out that venom was causing that.

[@savefile6406]

That's like a liar saying they're lying.

[@rumimirko4851]

He is a parasite he's just being a sour puss about it

[@rumimirko4851]

And he ate the thug in the store because venom was hungry and eddie said he can onlu eat bad people what would be a awsomw theory is how eddi and venom decipher how to tell if someone is a bad person cause venom asked that question now that would be a awsome theory.

[@jetteyes2064]

He's not really a parasite, sense both the host and the symbiote effect each other equally, hense the term symbiotic relationship. Refer to my comment explaining this.

[@DanteSolablood]

Actually Venom is a victim for another reason - in the comics it's revealed that *Deadpool* actually wore the Venom symbiot shortly before Spider-Man found it during Secret Wars.. Deadpool realised that his mind would warp/corrupt Venom & returned it to the machine where Spider-Man took it from, literally stating that he hoped his psyche didn't drive it nuts. Depending on how you treat the recent Secret Wars comics, canonically *Deadpool* could be the reason that Venom is evil(ish).

[@sebastianz.g.4191]

Fact Fiend vs Game Theory

[@Boundless-Boredom]

thats what drove it a bit crzy but the hatred spiderman felt towards it before he ripped it off is what drove it to hate spiderman. any person who "wears" venom imprints a part of themself inside of it

[@zrty6512]

Dante Solablood here is where you can find this info marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Klyntar_(Race)

[@ventusvindictus]

I was actually JUST about to mention this. Thanks for pointing this out! 👍

[@DanteSolablood]

Rammy That's exactly where I got that from! I'm actually quite knowledgeable on the symbiotes/Klyntar either way.. Just thought that the Deadpool narrative was quite fun. :D

[@kash6858]

If this man was my teacher, I would come to school even on weekends

[@account-lx2ld]

Pathew Matrick funny man

[@bigbosspanda1976]

@@account-lx2ld dormouse

[@memerboi9154]

@@account-lx2ld dormouse

[@squishyty918]

If only they taught students about video games and movies in school

[@Turtleboi09]

Me too

[@bennettcarlson3974]

"the world has enough heroes " considering this movie takes place in a world were only the venoms exist I think the more accurate term would be the world literally has no heros

[@brianisme6498]

lol true. I think the advertisement is relying on those ignorant of what the MCU is. So, they think because it’s marvel it must be connected to the other marvel movies. But no marvel doesn’t actually have the rights to venom.

[@bennettcarlson3974]

@@brianisme6498 It makes me wondder what they are going to do for the sequel

[@wilmagregg3131]

thankfully venom is apparently joining the MCU now or at least they said he will be in some future movie my best guess is there gonna have him and MCU spiderman team up to defeat his second generation kids that were forcably created from him VERY PAINFULLY by the miltary to be weapons which did happen in the comics and venom did approach and work with spiderman to destory all of them in fact it was this comic that started venom on the path of becoming a anti hero rather then the pure villian he once was

[@Ramund223]

@@wilmagregg3131 I am just hoping we oneday get agent venom in the MCU

[@wilmagregg3131]

@@Ramund223 if eddie ends up offically joining the avengers or shield id totally see agent venom being a possible reality in the mcu

[@TinfoilTuber]

This is also correct because as Venom says, they have to protect their host to live, and Venom had to constantly risk his life to keep Eddie alive, so that he could live.

[@BlueBerry20071]

No they dont. They can jump off the corpse and infect a different body. The only way they would both die is if they burned alive.

[@janna7625]

JustAnotherSwitchUser in the movie it was explained that Eddie was an exceptionally viable host for a human, and that’s why venom didn’t want to leave him

[@imhappy._.]

Well the other symbiotes killed their host because the human bodies isn't compatible somehow and that makes Eddie and the bad dude a special human if you could call them that. It would be interesting if matpat made a theory about what makes you compatible with a symbiote tho.

[@testerwulf3357]

Gamer Brian Me and my dad talked about how maybe you have to be mentally compatible with them? The more willing you are to comply with the symbiote the better for them. Which difference mentally could lead to bad team work. Sort of like a “why settle for this when there’s better?” but once they find someone so compatible with them they refuse to leave as it’ll be hard to find another equal to or better than their current host! Eddie didn’t really comply in the beginning as he was scared and it was new; Venom proved he could read into Eddies mind, so he likely did so to read him and check their compatibility as well as find out more about his host. He found him to be compatible and knew he’d be more compliant with some time to settle, but why not just find another host that’ll settle faster? He was so compatible with Eddie that finding another to suit him and his needs would be very hard. But that’s just a theory! A symbiotic theory!

[@tarisoala9717]

@@BlueBerry20071 he stated in the comics that he prefers eddie to most of the hosts he has had

[@leonardodelgado9861]

Venom:Jump? *Eddie Gets in Elevator* Venom:Pu**y

[@akino070]

Leonardo Delgado lol we are not venom

[@vasyiawellekens221]

I love that scene

[@madalynbrown4941]

I know full well what the line is but my brain saw the ** and substituted the s's for t's and apparently Eddie is putty now

[@mrkitloin]

Lol i forgot that scene. My friends 7 year old brother saw this movie with us and i think (and hope) that was the first time he heard that word

[@armadillolover99]

mr.kitloin Well pussy could also mean pussycat.

[@shinyumbreongirl2965]

See also: Venom’s species has to have a perfect host to be connected with for long periods of time. Eddie is one of those people for Venom specifically. Venom’s species can yes connect to anything but it can hurt them if they don’t find a compatible one they could die because of earth’s atmosphere and whatnot. They can’t survive on the planet so they’re forced to use humans as hosts even though it can hurt them big time

[@ianhall7513]

You had so much right. So much. But a symbiote, by definition, isnt a parasite. It's a mutually beneficial relationship between the two organisms. The human gets strength, agility, speed, deadly 'natual' weapons (spawned from the body) while the symbiote gets a host to provide sustenance and a base skeleton to work from. From a typical predator prey relationship, their partnership easily puts them on the top of a food chain.

[@realrxs]

My fav part: Venom: jump. *eddie goes to elevator* Venom: Pussy.

[@stg4425]

😂😂😂 so funny

[@ky-hp1dk]

My dad legit had to hold my mouth shut while laughing in the theater

[@amberrost2665]

sAME

[@tobyrens691]

This was one of the funniest scenes

[@testiercobra7366]

same

[@sad-7477]

This man could probably convince us all to believe kim Jong un is actually Dr.Phil

[@BlueBerry20071]

*laughs in sans is ness*

[@dabba1985]

He is

[@loganmarek1884]

He should try

[@greenrangeralex]

Lol

[@alsooog8603]

Are you saying he isnt.

[@wouldntyouliketoknowweathe19]

Matpat is literely the coolest person out there I mean this man could make me believe that I am not reall, just I don't understand those people who call him cringy or make fun of his theories just they are full proof and meet logic. He just is awsome But thats just a theory, a matpat theory

[@gameman3981]

That is so stupid yet so genius.

[@jarrodsteve7075]

"Everything the poop touches will be your home" -MatPat, Oct 11, 2018

[@brianisme6498]

Sometimes he’s theories can be stretching it a bit.

[@brianisme6498]

In multiple videos he’s even said his theories shouldn’t be taken as fact and are not made to be fact.

[@isabellaaaa29384]

if his theories weren’t stretching it, it wouldn’t be as interesting😌

[@Randomdudefromtheinternet]

Venom is a Viscous Ectosymbiotic Neuroactive Obligate Mutualist (yeah science!!)

[@van5395]

Viscous or Vicious? Both make sense really

[@brianisme6498]

@@van5395 viscous. He does look pretty thicc so either way is accurate.

[@BigDawgRey95]

@@brianisme6498 Because Science 🙏

[@gachagotchaaudrey2422]

Before watching. Me: Venom isn't a victim or a hero. He's an anti-hero, he does whatever the heck he wants. After watching. Me: somebody get this poor little symbiote some tater tots.

[@starlightseason1462]

Gacha Gotcha Audrey! What do tater tots look actually?? 😅

[@arrow526]

How about me? I want some tater tots ;^;

[@hoagieboy0771]

My favorite food

[@DiegoGames-yf5vr]

I WANT SOME

[@eddiebenavides4955]

@@starlightseason1462 they are like fried little potato blocks

[@notsae66]

I remember reading somewhere that the reason Venom turned into a vilian was Peter rejecting him. Venom sort of loved Peter and was still in the process of bonding with him, the rejection confused and angered it while the broken bind messed with its head. This explains why Venom will so eagerly betray its hosts if it thinks Peter will take it back.

[@Glareflare]

Oh my gosh the poor baby!!!! 🙁

[@braydenperkins5667]

I think the movie adaptation making Eddy the original host making it so that never happens so Venom is able to be portrayed as the protagonist

[@ch4z_bucks]

Actually venom was evil because it bonded with deadpool before Peter. If you remember, peter rejects it because it's evil, that must have happened before he separated from him.

[@illuminatihuman6983]

@Atticus in Deadpool's secret secret wars it's revealed that Deadpool actually took part in the event and had the symbiote slightly before Peter got it, but everyone forgot that Deadpool was even there because of a weird love story with the wasp

[@GuessWho195]

@@illuminatihuman6983 You're right about Deadpool...for want of a better word, contaminating Venom before Peter Parker got involved, but it is worth saying that there have been discussions about whether Peter truly rejected the symbiote because he felt it was a force of evil, or because it enhanced his own characteristics: both good and bad. In keeping the symbiote, he would have had to accept that he himself has villainous characteristics (as all humans do). I can't say how much of this argument comes from comics themselves and how much just comes from the comic book community, but it's an argument I've heard many times and I still find it interesting.

[@lukekrepich8953]

When you said something about an evil doppelganger, i instantly thought Darkiplier???

[@jojo.s_bekaar_adventures]

Antisepticeye

[@dinnerlord65]

Yeah buddy keep showing that markiplier-fan pride

[@WingmanCat]

Bad pat

[@shadostalker1989]

I know I'm late, don't yell at me. Honestly 12:20 is more terrifying than some of my worst nightmares.

[@mongifted]

Fax😂

[@s.s.8491]

Venom: I'm hungry Eddye: we just left the buffet, you have five meals! Venom: HUNGRY!

[@gothnerd887]

Sometimes I feel like I have an insatiable parasite

[@s.s.8491]

@@gothnerd887 lol

[@arandominternetperson6888]

Does that mean I'm Venom?

[@TylerTMG]

@@arandominternetperson6888 maybe i am vemon (the vision meme)

[@goodgollymissmolly7624]

"In the end, Eddie might just be the one who ends up purifying Venom" - quote from this theory "What made you change?" "You. You did, Eddie." - quote from Venom movie Hmmmmmmm.....

[@starlightseason1462]

Good Golly Miss Molly Lol also when Venom said that, it sounded like what a Hollywood romance actor would say to his girlfriend (or something else I don’t know I’m sorry!) And yes, I ship them

[@starlightseason1462]

Sage Leaf hehe! 😋

[@timax4114]

@@starlightseason1462 it's a bromance

[@starlightseason1462]

Account User Yeah I know that it _is_ a bromance (recently actually)

[@realdeadshotyt]

Coincidence. I THIIIIIINK NOOOO

[@galaxycat8646]

I have always loved Venom, and even thought in the Spiderman movie that venom was not that bad. So this video mad me happy to know I was not the only one that thought he was not bad.

[@DrFistyCuffs]

"But who knows, Eddie might just be the one who ends up purifying Venom" Fucking nailed it

[@cocacolaplayz7423]

FR.

[@TylerMarkRichardson]

@@LIncolnZolondek did you seriously just say "no no words"

[@smayanbuildz-builder5235]

@@TylerMarkRichardson chill hes a kiddo XD

[@BlueTyphoon2017]

@@smayanbuildz-builder5235 I mean that’s not exactly a bad thing, or abnormal thing to see on KZbin.

[@Bored_Overthinker]

Yes, we are more pure now...

[@peterrasmussen394]

Spoilers I mean... the noblility and honor thing is kinda spot-on. The further into the movie you go, the less sinister Venom becomes. Except that one “feed me or i eat your liver” line, but that could very well be an attempted joke.

[@jaisenroa4219]

venom said that as like teasing probably and also they were hungry so FOOB

[@Mike-pl5mn]

My knowledge comes off the information he gives through his videos. I’ve learned more here than school.

[@RaphBlade7]

But Venom is actually a Symbiote as his relationship with Eddy is symbiotic as both entities benefit (anyone bonded with the Symbiote gets cool powers, while Venom gets a host).

[@spookpen6030]

Wait I just realized that this theory came out before the movie Soooooo,he only had trailer to work with.... ULTRA THEORIST LEVEL 1000 BADGE OBTAINED

[@Asmodeustheunholyone]

Nani

[@doubleblocks3446]

*Sneak 100*

[@valarieg.w4288]

He used the comics

[@ahkafkhan4512]

No the venom movie came out on October 5 2018 and this was uploaded on October 12

[@thegreatgutsy2100]

Ahkaf khan But remember the script is done beforehand and stuff

[@someguyinamechsuit7062]

6:52 funny you mention Deadpool, I'm pretty sure there's an origin comic that says Deadpool was the first thing to fuse with Venom before it met Spider-Man which is why people who fused with Venom endure psychosis because Venom absorbed a little bit of Deadpool's insanity.

[@unhelpfulrevelations7989]

I saw that! So interesting

[@the_blind_hearing6]

Actually doe? Interesting

[@NW-sm8xq]

Retcon but yeah

[@womenarentreal3374]

Wow

[@acethedrifter1201]

It wasn't entirely retconed only one of the two venom time lines was ret coned the what if seriesalso there were three venompool series the what if , secret wars, back in black back in black follows the secret wars story arc where venom originally had the venom symbiotic and it leaves him then after Spider-Man gets rid of it it goes back to deadpool. The what if deadpool was venom comic basically made it self non cannon with a special retcon gun at the end of the comic it's a great read anyways I'm sure I got a few small details wrong it's been a while since I read the series and the what if comic

[@Kartoffelkamm]

Finally got to watch this movie a few days ago, and I just love how Venom doesn't want to keep other symbiotes off of Earth to protect Earth, but because if they come, he'll be a loser again. But if there are no other symbiotes on Earth, he'll be the strongest by default.

[@theendersmirk5851]

I mean, he also says he like earth too, although based on where he said it from, I'm reasonably sure he meant the architecture, which if so, might imply that by a "loser" he meant he was an architect among a species that can literally shapeshift to do whatever they feel like, and thus architecture is rarely applicable.

[@rydogjkjr3325]

10:52 crewmate. There is one imposter among us

[@deepfriedwallnut8613]

"Everything the poop touches will be your home" -MatPat, Oct 12, 2018

[@johncarlonacario6450]

Actually its oct 12 not oct 11

[@pokewolf3530]

You are a liar you too I saw venom Movie in October 7 It’s the real deal

[@ogililpop5819]

Ah yes the famous quote.

[@NanoScream]

This Theory doesn't really even take into consideration that Venom is a freaking intelligent species, it's not just a mindless parasite like what we have on Earth. Venom and Eddie's "partnership" is symbiotic, crazy I know. Plus Venom's entire species is all about bonding with a perfect host and that's why (at least in the Comics) Venom and Eddie go after Spider-Man. Eddie wants revenge on Spider-Man for a dozen slights and Venom wants to bond back with Spider-Man because Venom believes him to be the perfect host. Venom and Eddie have a co-dependency relationship and it's highly toxic as fuck.

[@ArceoInfinity]

So does that explain the menacing form of Venom on Eddie? Doesn't the symbiote feed on negative emotions?

[@knightmarecx2069]

Derogon you do know he does these theories for fun right? He’s said it multiple times, he doesn’t take all this seriously, he just likes doing it

[@purgatory1022]

@@knightmarecx2069 Yet when ever someone debunks his theories he crys like child.

[@khanbw]

@@purgatory1022 Got any specific examples of him crying like a child because his theory was debunked?

[@knightmarecx2069]

Anthony Alverio not really, he happily admits when he’s wrong, and even corrects himself when he happens to be wrong

[@WesternHypernormalization]

"There just aren't that many man eating cats out there." Clearly you've never meet my ex.

[@brianisme6498]

*met

[@thedacenorpes3681]

Oh my

[@rawfermews4186]

Man eating cats..? Wtf was your ex a cat?? 🤨

[@oxygen4605]

You didn’t change my mind, cuz I already thought that it wasn’t venoms fault, his alien kind, Klyntar, have no meaning if they don’t have a host, and if there host isn’t perfect they basically go crazy and become venom

[@barrybend7189]

Actually Venom is a Mutual symbiot. As he gives to his host. Eddy is just as much to blame on using venom as venom is to Eddy. Kyle from Because Science.

[@endertron3603]

*Eddie

[@masternetboss2984]

Barry Bend THANK YOU ATLEAST YOU UNDERSTAND : )

[@TheRezro]

Symbiosis by definition is mutual.. like in case of Mitochondrion.

[@snapdragon3790]

Oh hey, someone who gets it.

[@derilissabummer1714]

@@masternetboss2984 why are you yelling

[@opsecmedic]

Watching this again now I super forgot it spoke about zoonosis. Super relevant given this past year.

[@poelance7109]

5:38, I appreciate the "A Beautiful Mind" reference.

[@bucca2]

This is a pretty good theory for someone who only had the trailer to go by, honestly. I would like to emphasize that the symbiote is not a parasite--it's called a symbiote for a reason. It's symbiosis, coexistence. Symbiotes do have to eat meat and brains to survive, sure, but in return, they basically give their hosts immortality. They can grow back limbs, halt cancer, and even keep their hosts alive in space. Anyone who's read the comics knows that a relationship between a symbiote and their main host is extremely special.

[@mylesstephens3607]

Exactly. smh. MattPatt needs to do a little more research.

[@theclown6217]

Parasitism is a form of Symbiosis, so it could still be correct ¯\(ツ)/¯

[@mylesstephens3607]

Mochi Choi sorry sir, I’ll have to respectfully disagree with you on that one. I humbly appreciate your opinion though.

[@eldiegollador7271]

Apparently an alternative diet that Venom can take to tone down the murdering in its life is... chocolate, out of all things. I'm not kidding. According to the comics; the nutrients that Venom needs to survive can be found in human organs AND in chocolate. ... Comics are weird, yo.

[@ronaldsilvesters9567]

Diego Degollada you're not you when you're hungry 🍫

[@xmanbricks770]

Matt:*Sometimes parasite’s go from animals to humans.* Me:*coron-...* KZbin:*we don’t do that here.*

[@xmanbricks770]

I know the forbidden word isn’t a parasite but still.

[@slowpro6888]

It's a myth that the ca-ovid 19 came from animals

[@danielthomas8837]

Coronavirus or covid-19 or novel Coronavirus

[@sapphicgenderfluidmess3740]

I thought the same. Then I looked the release date up and it said 2018. Now it all makes more sense

[@stankyratman5685]

@Milan Randall then where did it come from?

[@HamWeildingTank]

good job for actually having a close guess to the video length!

[@totallymcchicken2407]

I love that, looking back, you were bang-on with the ending lmao.

[@thecakecraft7724]

Two little bugs with that theory of yours. One: Venom isn't a parasite.The movie makes it clear that it even hates being called that. No, Venom is what's called a "Mutualist" which is a creature that benefits off of a host, but gives something in return, a very common from of symbiotic relationship. Lungs that can breathe and a body to roam with, in exchange for super powers, that's mutually beneficial, not parasitic. Two: Symbiotes are sentient, intelligent creatures. Unlike tiny germs and bugs, they can strive for much more than just survival. Several times in the comics Venom chooses to chase after some desire or make decisions based on it's own consciousness. Once in the movie even, while by itself with no host, it makes the decision to track down Eddy because he "likes him", even though Eddy threw it away and left it alone. I don't think this thing is the victim.

[@jacobgallego3271]

TheCakeCraft wa

[@Dani_77709]

I completely agree. *SPOILERS* Venom even started freaking out when Eddie began to be convinced that he is 'dying' because of him. (Venom even says 'I can heal it' or something like that. Throughout the film you can see the mutual relationship {as you mentioned})

[@arleccino1313]

More over, in the original comics, Venom was an exile from his home world because he didn't want to completely dominate the psyche of this host. Symbiotes can just completely override the minds of the host and act as true parasites rather than mutualists. If Mat actually did research into the lore of his topics maybe he wouldn't have people get so pissed off at his theories.

[@twinodoom]

It's a more complicated relationship due to the physical and psychological nature of their interactions. It's physically mutually beneficial, but it also does things to his mind that aren't mentally healthy Eddie.

[@TheUnborne]

was just about to make your point 1 after only seeing 2 minutes of this episode

[@KoffeeKiwi]

Someone help this reach matpat,but how has he not done a theory on cloudy with a chance of meatballs or has he

[@therealethanhunt713]

I don’t think so. It’s interesting, what question do you have about the films?

[@420bakedLizard]

@Klenovvy_Syrop Dude, have you watched the movie. He built a machine and put it in the sky and gave it instructions on what food to drop.

[@nonexistentpillow1357]

He should

[@hhhhgcjutgj2542]

Please do this theory

[@KoffeeKiwi]

@@therealethanhunt713 could Thier cheese sandwich boats actually help them escape the town Or Could mutation of certain elements really be organised into food.

[@ofpenandpaper2922]

When I clicked on this theory, I thought this would be a theory about Eddy Brock in the Toby McGuire series. Not only did you surprise me, you made a WAY cooler theory. Good job, Mat Pat.😁

[@Funni.fennly]

I Tought this was Film Theory i only see Science

[@jaredgreenewald5827]

I don't mean to be a rude but the symbiote is not a parasite. It is a example of mutualism. Venom's race only wants to survive and reproduce and they achieve this by latching on to a host. Which is beifitional to both parties. The symbiote gets to live and reproduce while the host is given enhanced skills the reason that venom and carnage's symbiotes are crazy because there host were violent individuals. Symbiotes do not have personalities until the find a host.

[@knightmarecx2069]

Jared Greenewald a mutualist is a type of parasite

[@decimation9780]

Dark Star Gaming He doesn’t like being called a parasite.

[@onyx2787]

Venom's actually a killer because he's was bonded with various twisted and murderous species

[@maplebear5183]

Dark Star Gaming no it isn't, mutualism and parasitism are both different forms of symbiosis (the biological symbiosis, not the comic one). Basically, mutualism is net good for both organisms, and parasitism is good for one while deliterious for the other

[@dylankoss9181]

ikr because one i saw this i was like did he ever read the comics like for real

[@francesoconnor3051]

12:16 might just be the scariest thing i've seen

[@starlightseason1462]

Frances O'Connor I’d rather stick with the no-pupils-and-all than THAT

[@eberhanicio7062]

LMAOO

[@Elite-rd4su]

Lol

[@sunithapazhaniyandi968]

Me too

[@jacksonfunke8230]

im here from 3 years, and 4 days in the future, and the audio quality has gotten a lot better over the years

[@a.kitcat.b]

As someone who watched this movie came out I loved it, and to me this theory seems like a win!

[@errorfell1339]

The "Venom" Symbiote is there to protect they're hosts. They make them stronger to help them, but the Venom we know that Symbiote changed, it went mad/insane because the hosts did awful things with its power. So simply, the Venom we know is an innocent Symbiote/protector(or also killer of the celestials) that has gone mad.

[@BgChf-dg5lv]

ErrorFell they took inspiration from the Ultimate universe. Also known as Earth 1610. Ultimate Venom must feed on others if attached to an incompatible host. The ultimate form of an improper host is death rejection in the movie. The comics just make you eat people to stabilize the suit’s DNA.

[@errorfell1339]

K, not really into that Stuff, rarely watch Newer Movies at all, it was just everything i knew.

[@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal]

The reason he's insane is because he fused with deadpool in the comics and since he's based on comic venom it's teaspoon who makes him insane and he eats people to SURVIVE

[@llculleng7462]

Not to hate, but to be fair this Is far fetched

[@vulfura]

*they’re*

[@rileyreed7690]

Spoilers Me watches movie Turns out venom is the good guy

[@annarchyzone3233]

I would say he is only partially the hero, bcs lets be honest, that guy would get a few years in prison at max, definetelly not a death sentence. So the goverment would probably make a hunt for Venom as a murderer, even if he uses a simple moral compas and only eats the bad guys.

[@505finds]

Ananaz Boss it’s called an anti-hero

[@redhood3575]

@@annarchyzone3233 tell that to John wick the punisher and venom

[@fabianklevenz4800]

@@annarchyzone3233 batman.

[@charlotterhodes7359]

If your gonna give spoilers pls put them in a 'read more' or something coz otherwise u just see everything when you pass the comment

[@NateR-pi5ss]

4:02 They affect Peter, eddy and Cletus differently because symbiots adapt to a person’s personality

[@echxingmelody]

Venom is the Imposter from Among Us. -------------- CHANGE MY MIND

[@Bruh-mq5zd]

I cant

[@brianisme6498]

Innersloth doesn’t own the rights to venom. Boom! Mind changed!

[@aidan4529]

I watched the movie with my mom. I made a joke that she was like Eddy and I was like Venom Eddy: is on phone Venom: FOOD

[@arandominternetperson6888]

Me😅

[@natalie3524]

@0 1 Woah there's a canon romantic relationship between them? How does that come about 🤣

[@burjaman11]

relatable xD

[@starlightseason1462]

0 1 Wait- it’s really canon?! OMG!!! 😍😍😍

[@owo4288]

@@thestrangerthattalks9516 I mean all babies come from the women's womb

[@boxerblake1]

Actually, it is a symbiote, and not a parasite because they both help each other. The symbiote helps him just as much. In the comics, it actually keeps cancer from killing him.

[@boxerblake1]

@richard conaway Interesting. I always saw parasites as a one way street, whereas they benefit from the host, but the host doesn't benefit at all or is negatively affected. In this case, my argument on the symbiote itself is that they help each other in a beneficial relationship. I didn't realize that parasites are part of the larger umbrella term, as I always considered that term a positive.

[@Abyzz_Knight]

@@boxerblake1 i'd say whether it's mutualistic or parasitic depends heavily on the mentality of the symbiote. The Venom symbiote had some bad hosts in the past and then found what it viewed as it's ideal host Spider-Man. The Venom symbiote is not mentally sound due to it's previous hosts and Spider-Man is negatively affected causing him to reject the symbiote. This causes intense anger towards Spider-Man to form in the Symbiote and when it bonds with Eddie who is also angry towards Spider-Man the anger within the both of them is increased even further to the point of wanting to kill Spider-Man.

[@williamburton757]

Biologically, that's called a "symbiotic relationship," hense, symbiote. However, there are parasites that do have symbiotic relationshios with their host. They are not mutually exclusive. So you have no point here.

[@venomissocute3448]

Boxer Blake And it also, you know, gives him SUPERPOWERS

[@AG5_]

Yes, a parasite is a form or a symbiotic relationship but the symbiotic relationship Boxer is talking about is one that benefits both the host and the symbiote. What you both seem to be getting confused about is the general meaning of a parasite and symbiote were a parasite benefits and the host doesn't and the symbiote benefits for both of them.

[@hellotheregeneralkonobi4010]

For anyone who didn't know venom use to be a normal guy but was formed with Deadpool for a few seconds. Since it was in the mind of a complete psycho who breaks the 4th wall he went utterly insane

[@FruitKocktail]

I get auditory hallucinations and I don’t blame eddy for his actions, it can get terrifying especially if your on your own

[@Postothe141st]

Matpat:Venom is a paraste Venom:APOLOGIZE!!! Matpat:No. Infects himself in Matpat Venom/Matapt:We Are Flim Theory

[@books3597]

Funny

[@x4vierm]

that was probably the cringiest thing i've seen on the internet

[@thetrgger8630]

Yes... FLIM theory Comedy

[@user-ol2sk3nv7k]

Holy Jesus can you write?

[@asdfgh-dm6cm]

what is a paraste ????????????????????

[@TheCrazyGamer]

We Are "Film Theory"

[@sovietmilk2674]

So much theory's so little time

[@shuaibjeetun689]

I see what’s happening here- Maui(Moana)

[@droddfellow3926]

Oh shit im in the wrong theory!

[@prettynoice8852]

Um its communist now?

[@thepackingpacjack7767]

No, you are sonic

[@blindhunternb3054]

Actually in the comix, Deadpool created Venom in Secret War, becouse there was a machine that was made to create costumes and Deadpool bounded with Venom and left him, saying that he can feel that it has mind on its own and that it is hoping that bounding with his unstable mind(deadpool's) may damage its mental health

[@addizzle9861]

I like how in the venom movie they made venom a person basically like a co-pilot and then Eddie and venom switch

[@mrkitloin]

My favorite scene in the whole movie: Venom: jump? Eddie: *looks down off of building* Eddie: uhhhhhh Eddie: *gets in elevator* Venom: p*ssy

[@jassyp3009]

Me to

[@rileyjones1522]

Same here funny as that was it never gets old every time I watch it 😂😂

[@Ineedmoreideas]

XD

[@lancetheking7524]

anyone got a video for that scene

[@Simon-le8ne]

@@lancetheking7524 kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3O4faRsjsejes0

[@fen4613]

2:14 that's wrong. You can apply the same definition to a symbiotic relationship. Venom doesn't just take nutrients from Eddie, he also heals and takes care of him, the same way some ants clean lice to get sugar off of them and the lice gets to move around.

[@cawareyoudoin7379]

Yeah, it's a viscous ectosymbiotic neuroactive obligate mutualistic symbiote. ;P

[@truffles.xenpai5388]

@@cawareyoudoin7379 V E N O M

[@dxmxxn9640]

You forgot the most important part. Venom gives Eddie chocolates in a heart shaped box to make him feel better and they call each other "my love" or "darling"

[@cawareyoudoin7379]

@@dxmxxn9640 Aren't all healthy relationships symbiotic? You give something, and in turn, your partner gives you something else. In toxic relationships one partner takes more than they give... Hmm, actually that's a good analogy! Also, no-one here said they don't love each other :P That IS important.

[@thestwinner680]

This reminds me of another example: the birds feeding off certain larger animals like crocodiles, rhinos, possibly hippos (same with fish, you see them attached to sharks or whales, etc.) - they get to eat the scraps and parasites/bugs off of the [hosts'] animals' mouths and/or hydes, simultaneously keeping them clean in the process, which they are aware of. That's why they don't eat, attack, or most importantly, fend them off.

[@ban8844]

I love you keep up the good work

[@disabledaccount7198]

This is just a comment meant to show appreciation to the film theories that were proven true by the end of the film. Good job MatPat!!!!!

[@slovakianpsycho]

Venom is an anti-hero. That means he's not a superhero or a supervillain.

[@slovakianpsycho]

@E M Chill, I only commented it because he said Venom was a supervillain

[@slovakianpsycho]

@Крошенций К An anti-hero cares about himself and not about anyone around him

[@thestwinner680]

He is super though! :P

[@thestwinner680]

@@slovakianpsycho Another anti-hero would be Catwoman. However, she used to be a supervillain in the beginning (even way back in the 1960s' _Batman_ TV series) and though she _is_ centered mainly around her own needs and comforts, she _does_ occasionally help Batman, even if sometimes it alligns with her personal interests. I guess that's what makes her an anti - *hero.* More interesting than another typical villain, if you ask me.

[@shadow-faye]

@@thestwinner680 batman himself could be considered an antihero

[@vegitoda4738]

Venom adopts the characteristics of its previous host,it is murderous because it was first worn by Deadpool. Clintar (Venoms race)are actually very friendly and protective.

[@SakuraiHikari15]

The Klyntar were originally created solely to bring an end to all of existence. Some radical Klyntar rebelled against their creator and rebranded themselves as a species of peace, however all Klyntar still have their natural lust for destruction deep within their minds and that lust can resurface if they spend too much time disconnected from the Klyntar hivemind. Having a heroic host (Toxin with Pat and Venom with Flash for examples) or just a positive enough relationship with a neutral stable host (Tyranosaurus with his host for example) can keep the lust from resurfacing. Hell, one of the most corrupting and evil things in Marvel is All-Black (the first symbiote), even Thor was nearly corrupted into a god-killing insane force of personified malice just by touching All-Black for a few minutes.

[@cancerstinks1]

That was a lie because they’re ashamed of the truth. The truth is they were created by an evil god named Knull to destroy the universe but rebelled against him and became good after they discovered kindness and honor from watching Thor fight Knull

[@sucqbus3327]

Actually i thought Venom was first worn by some alien who was evil which resulting in venom becoming a bad boi

[@niftyskates85]

I hope that's not canon, pretty sure it isnt and just a joke.

[@atypicalwire5429]

But Deadpool doesnt exist in this universe aka the movie universe

[@imnamed_b0t502]

9:00 or covid

[@NateR-pi5ss]

Yeah Covid didn’t exist until November 2019

[@_burnso_3099]

Seeing hugo strange from arkham city made my day 1:43

[@ryanoneill6481]

Well, Kylntar do have positive effects on their hosts. Venom cured Eddie Brocks cancer as well as giving him enhanced physical abilities. They’re parasites but also symbiotes.

[@aresx3749]

Nah it's just a 2 way positive symbiote. Parasite is just symbiote who lach on host to abuse or exploit them. In this case both Venom and Eddie gains from their bonds.

[@ryanoneill6481]

Aresx A symbiote can be parasitic. Usually it’s for an ulterior motive, but they can benefit the host they’re feeding off. There have been relatively recent studies showing that some minor parasites in human hosts can rapidly evolve to protect the host from more harmful infections in order to preserve its meal. So yes, Venom is a parasite, but enabled Eddie to protect them both, mainly for Venoms benefit of originally being able to consume him at a later date.

[@aresx3749]

@@ryanoneill6481 Well yes, there are 3 types of symbiotic relationships and one is leeching of them, one is a 2 way positive, and one is a 1 way positive but doesn't abuse it's host. I guess you can say Venom has a parasitic relationship but guessing by how Venom likes Eddie and how strong their bond is I'd say personally it's more of a 2 way positive symbiotic relationships.

[@fyrexia]

Uh.... Didn't Eddie Brock say he can only "EAT BAD PEOPLE" and that is why they ate the guy at the store....?????????????? I mean that conversation happened in the same scene??? Am I missing something?

[@Egg_thing]

He made the video before the movie came out

[@lovelyoppomist-imstillhere7630]

Yeah I'm not trying to feel that this theory is too whacked out. However because this channel receives a lot of mixed reviews on each theory he post I can say that without a doubt. Venom is a victim in his own ways yet at the same time his character is complex to address where he's more of the bad guy sometimes or a confused Anti-Hero in this content. Threw out the series he does try to act good but struggles sometimes because of his original programing as a Space Invader.

[@ford383]

In the comics, Eddie tried to not eat people but Venom ended up eating people against his will. This is explained as Venom needing a vitamin found in the human brain.

[@deffdefying4803]

@@ford383 And then remedied by the simple fact that the same exact chemical is also found in chocolate.

[@jaisenroa4219]

ikr

[@pooler57]

0:36 Matpat finally admitted it himself!

[@wilmagregg3131]

venom even kinda explains this sometimes in the comics saying he feeds of the chemicals produced by emotion which provides most of his "diet" except for one crtical chemical that the body cant produce enough off even when ramped up by the symbiote which is why he eats people specifally there heads sometimes as the two biggest sources of this key chemical is in chocolate and human brain matter

[@raptorus7773]

Well, if we go with agent venom, and what we learn there, that isn't far off. Since the venom symbiote was seperated from it's home planet and exiled it was "damaged" and bonding with impure hosts like Eddie didn't help it, until Flash made it a hero and returned to it's planet and it could be cleansed. Love Agent Venom stuff by the way.

[@MeAlone44]

This right here.

[@VexNToys]

I havnt read it but I kinda hate it. From what your saying its cause Flash was a good guy, well Spider-Man was good too but the symbiote was trying to corrupt him. Eddie was a great host because they were the same. And the mixture of the symbiote and Eddie became Venom to Spider-Man. I dont know why the Symbiote is ever called Venom. Without Eddie it's just a symbiote. That's why they say "We are Venom" not I am Venom. That's Carnage.

[@MeAlone44]

@@VexNToys With the arc they gave it, it was a good read. Originally Eddy was damaged and angry guy(Read, not a nice guy with reason to hate peter parker). the symbiote was equally angry with Spiderman after he rejected him which in my opinion made them a match with little self control. Had Flash bonded first after Spiderman rejected him, maybe it would have been different. Then again, maybe his time with Eddy made him more open to a better way.

[@davinwilliams3130]

I like agent venom but can't afford the comics. Can we nerd out sometime?

[@YuTEM]

@@VexNToys venom never corrupted him it was because venom wanted to pernamently bonder with peter that he quickly seperated with venom. And that time eddie brocks job, wife was ruined by spider man(im not so sure if it was the framed or peters news about something villan so i might be wrong on this one) but either way he was angry at spiderman, coincidently the time where spiderman left the symbiote at the church which eddie was going to. Since both of them have a mutual hate for spiderman they always fought spiderman and was well evil. But before venom ever bonded spiderman in the secret wars, in deadpools secret secret war he said about bonding with something for a new suit but leaving it for spiderman to take it so venom was kind of crazy and muderous thanks to deadpool. There was also another story of deadpool back in black where he bonded with venom before eddie recieved it.

[@timn0ugat1]

Love it when Matt talks about something based off fiction with some reference to science. I know it’s a theory but...

[@sertakaberry1323]

Wátch Venóm 2018 Móvie Onl¡nÉ : [ t.co/mrfqQcC5Po ] #TomIsVenom

[@pullover5451]

not just a theory A GAME THEORY

[@mikeywardenaar2023]

@@pullover5451 no a film theory

[@yarp1246]

AAAAND CUT!

[@richarddarma1452]

Kind of the point of an internet theory

[@oof_gang00]

Love how you brought up the parasite anime

[@jackpot_5019]

my favorite vid made by film theory is this one

[@shadefire8605]

Um, @The Film Theorists, matpat, I think you’re forgetting that venom is part of a symbiotic relationship, not a parasitic relationship. Symbiotic relationships benefit both parties. Also, how is Venom a victim? It just shows that Eddie changes venom, or Flash Thompson in the comics, to the good, not exactly showing that he’s a victim.

[@melonheadthecherrybomb5886]

matthew styles Dude have you’ve ever taken an art class before? All ideas are rehashed at some point. It’s okay if people have the same thought, we have a finite amount of ideas; which, makes people have the same idea at one point.

[@kjacko101]

Parasitism is a symbiotic relationship, one of three, the other two being commensalism where one organism benefits and the other is unaffected and mutualism where both organisms benefit which is the one you’re describing which I agree with, but to say symbiosis and parasitism are different things and that symbiotic relationships benefit both parties is incorrect

[@jeremylim2421]

The symbiotes were literally eating the host's organs when it couldn't feed/ be compatible. Sounds pretty parasitic to me.

[@aizlergueco8049]

Parasitism is a type of symbiotic relationship,what you mean is mutualism

[@colbyplayz4233]

Melonhead the Cherry Bomb well I’m in agreement with matthew styles because you don’t completely steal what they say you change it to be original and this is in no way connected to your pre-k art class idiot

[@TheDukeofBeans]

Because science did a great video on what symbiote venom is.

[@gamingoverlord756]

just to be clear the comment above me filled with laughing emojis is a failed troll attempt

[@1vibeD]

@Koreans eat dogs and they smell like garlic Can you subscribe to my KZbin channel please

[@1vibeD]

@@joe-lf8mt Can you subscribe to my KZbin channel please

[@nickbailey9784]

"In the hopes of Mr fluffy eating you" matpat you are the funniest person ever.

[@gabrielgriffin42]

So I'm about to watch it and I won't be surprised if you blow my mind because you always do 😆

[@kayalurk]

Imagine eddie and peter just chillin together until..... VENOM vs SPIDERMAN!

[@bee-gr1wm]

SPIDER-MAN GOSH DARN. DON’T FORGET THE ‘-‘

[@louisrosasco4973]

I would like to point out that when a symbiote bonds with its host some traits are kept from each other. For instance when Eddie learned how to control the Venom symbiote and became a “hero” in the comics he would eat people’s faces and think that it was ok. Every person who is currently bonded with a symbiote is violent and crazy. Also Venom isn’t a parasite he is a SYMBIOTE because he will protect his host and keep him from dying.

[@Firemalleoandjelly]

Exactly

[@mrfreeze2991]

That was mat gargan

[@mrfreeze2991]

Yes it's a pun

[@louisrosasco4973]

Smack that you are right that was Mac Gargan. Thx for reminding me. I thought I remembered Eddie eating a face in lethal protector

[@Mr.walwus]

All symbiots protect there host for fear of dieing

[@vincentsreptiles5270]

The times MatPat said the word parasite in this video would've triggered Venom to the point than he becomes flammable.

[@Stellany.]

Venom is my favorite. He has such a interesting story and personality.

[@zeet.1508]

I'm convinced that Venom was a romantic comedy. Change my mind I'm not shocked at how many likes this has. Only people who can recognize the gayness in this movie deserve to watch it

[@cawareyoudoin7379]

I won't, 'cause mine is the same.

[@anSAMations]

🤔

[@anSAMations]

Can’t find a way

[@Totorohamster]

Dude!! Look up the venom comics!!! Eddie and venom are in love, consider themselves married to each other, and have a kid!!!

[@lovelyoppomist-imstillhere7630]

To be fair they do border as a Bromance first than a Cannon second. Did noticed by the end of the film when I went to go see the movie having no high expectations on it as someone who doesn't read the comics too much. And only know a little bit of the lore and fan base for Venom's character.

[@piplover6234]

I watched the movie yesterday, and really, Eddie and venom are more like partners than host and parasite.

[@scottishcookie8198]

well that's how they are in the comic venom isn't a parasite venom and the symbiotes would only eat the host insides because they weren't feeding the symbiotes correctly

[@novatopaz9880]

powercookie m2 Or alternatively were trying to spite a certain someone. *poke poke*

[@transfemjuniperberries]

that's because it's not parasitism.

[@sweetchildomusicians4621]

Pip Lover basically like the anime Parasyte

[@johnnysinsstan7988]

Venom: DONT CALL ME A PARASITE

[@jovanvita2010]

I like how in the movie, Venom is a good guy and not a bad guy like in the comics and series. Like, he helps fight crime.... yes he kills people but he stops crime and saves some people and not just go on murderous rampages across the city and kills every single human in the way.

[@mariascott4915]

I know this video is super old but i am stunned about the cat vs mental health. I grew up with cats and my anxiety/depression is off the charts.

[@zoeas_if]

OK, so I watched Venom the other day with my besties and these were the results: 1. None of us agreed with the ratings on Rotten Tomatoes, we thought it was actually good 2. One of them is now obsessed 3. One of them sang 'the taco song' at the most intense fight scenes Overall, good experience Would I do it again? Hell nah Believe me when you hear 'the taco song' at least 17 times, you will lose your mind

[@favoredexistentialcrisis5881]

I read 2 as one of them is now possessed and I was like woah, there needs to be a disclaimer on this movie or sm lmao

[@zoeas_if]

@@favoredexistentialcrisis5881 lol

[@audz4816]

Ikr

[@otterman3095]

Zoe the gamer gurl FUCK rotten tomatoes they can’t rate for shit

[@Purriah]

@@otterman3095 they've been proven recently to be paid shills. check out the dave chappelle controversy. 0% tomatometer, 99% audience score

[@taznixx1126]

havent watched it yet but of course venom is the victim, spider man always attacks him when his just trying to hug people.

[@memesarekeem]

Hahahahahaha… Okay.

[@Wayhoo]

Interesting looking back at this

[@rx-42-s]

honestly, this (the symbiotes backstory) is why Venom is my favorite character (particularly when he's bonded to Flash)

[@richraichu1370]

wait flash? is he in dc now

[@Evil_Anvil]

Loved that little animation with the lazer beams at 8:16 . This stuff doesn't go unnoticed!

[@genericcreator6467]

1:25 “Rolling down the street, like a turd, in the wind.”

[@jamiewaswrong]

Was looking for someone who commented that. My guy

[@themostdangerousnoodle]

Honestly one of the funniest lines lol

[@Renagale]

I was really expecting you to go into how venom merged with Deadpool and went completely mental

[@prettymomma04]

watching this 2021 for the first time in a long time mat's theory is correct.

[@kys898]

Venom: Pussy Me: **Dead**

[@anglegamer1220]

Lol I can't believe he said that

[@osblarg]

Almost the whole theatre laughed at that moment, even my friend that was stubbornly trying to not enjoy the movie.

[@slovakianpsycho]

"Jump" "Pussy" **Goes down elevator**

[@dmdq_]

Venom: jump Eddie: *takes elevator* Venom: pussy

[@itsmethunder1461]

I legit died of laughter when Venom said that XD