Why Civil War Worked and Batman v Superman Failed | One v One

[@Filmento]

I make a video on Civil War and it turns into a video on how BvS could've been better. No matter how I try to renounce DC, I guess it will always hold a spot in my heart...

[@where1871]

Filmento civil war was a vastly overrated movie, 6/10 and comparing it to dogshit like BvS is easy, go talk about real films not fucking capeshit

[@j.p.5818]

Filmento everything the villain did in civil war was carried by coincidences. Tony has No arc, his character just magically conforms to the story being told. cheesy jokes deflated the stakes and the end battle was a 2 on 1 cop-out, why not have a real winner in one on one combat after that marketing? Now its ok to have your “favs” but BVS UE is the superior film objectively speaking. Also it’s 3 years later and civil war doesn’t hold up...the cgi is cartoonish Yet BVS looks like Beauty defined to this day.

[@jugendranaorem1234]

BvS was meant to form a team civil war meant to separate a team. I love BvS and i can say WB tried to have it both way we had lex pulling the strings trying to put the heroes against each other and the trinity coming together to stop doomsday. This video was a little off putting most of your issues are all plot points working in the back ground.... especially in the ultimate cut....the martha scene is not meant to be rational batman can't be thinking rationally he is emotionally unstable when it comes to his parents...there are all this storytelling elements playing in the back ground. Yes it could have easily been a better BvS movie if they just focused on the conflict you know you enjoyed Jese's over the top performance and blowing up ms.incredible and standing cynicaly on the top of the tower as both gladiators aproach each other. WB also wanted to do a dawn of justice movie and what i got was an epic trinity movie. What if despite of the title this movie was always meant for the heroes to short out their differences and personal issues and team up to fight aggainst an impersonal eminent threat like these character always do whenever the world's finest meet each other. For making BvS better all i would suggest a little fleshing out of the plot to incorporate more team dynamics and call the movie just dawn of justice....damn it WB you just couldn't resist the title Batman v Superman could you. But marvel's fan can be grateful WB did or they wouldn't have green lit civil war who knows what the state of the MCU would have been then. And this leads to one more point subtly is the key if you are loud and flashy you may face unjust scrutiny...ambition can promise great thing but sometimes promises can be broken. #ReleaseTheSnydercut

[@AceOfPhanatic]

@@j.p.5818 no it wasnt Zemo kidnaps hydra man to get info, it fails So he frames bucky so he will be forced out of hiding so he can ask him for the info Avengers find bucky Zemo impersonates the doctor that was meant to talk to bucky so he can get info The only thing that was convenient Was Ironmam showing up at the end But then again , he knew that the body of the doctor would be found fairly soon and he knew cap would tell tony about him aka the fake doctor triggering bucky

[@j.p.5818]

Austin Lee Lmao 😂😂😂 I guess he sent tony, Bucky, and Steve invitations so they would all show up together and on time to watch his little video. Great plan! Plot hole! Your wasting my time, it’s a horrible story, go watch a good movie.

[@TalkingHands308]

That moment when Iron Man asks Captain America if he knew, and he said yes and you see the look in Stark's eyes.... chills man...

[@siddharth_0771]

This is Marvel, what can u expect? These are emotions

[@Marvelfanatic3658]

@@siddharth_0771 ight

[@sacaz9947]

Marvel is shit

[@janwierzbicki3663]

@@sacaz9947 Shut up nerd

[@AyanT138]

RDJ delivering

[@zombieguy4444]

It’s so weird that some people in Hollywood don’t get that people like fights because of the motivations, not just the action

[@disrupt94]

No, people most assuredly like big shiny fights with little motivation (transformers rake in cash after all). Besides, MCU is guilty of this themselves with their history of badly written villains.

[@fayazhossain2230]

@@disrupt94 shut up Mr idiot

[@MrWinnfield]

Yeah just like it was in BvS

[@gorkemaykut5230]

by no means marvel is perfect, it's the overall tone and quality that makes it what it is.

[@whoasked8771]

Yes

[@rafif5122]

watching civil war: Please dont fight :'( watching BvS: FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

[@N0URii]

good one

[@rigatonipasta]

That's kind of how the movie was marketed yeah

[@prmore5872]

@@N0URii facts

[@rick5219]

Exactlyyyyy

[@drtirthadas]

but in bvs they still don't fight like the fight only last 8 minutes which is just sad

[@natecrandall3130]

Moral of the story, size doesn’t matter, it’s how you use what you’ve got. Thanks

[@anirudgoud5379]

pfft. Underrated.

[@cxvz5576]

Nice

[@xsasukex8298]

@Lakshyaplayz same here

[@lanzekaizerazupardo5292]

That's what she said 🤣😂

[@gabrielmitchell9562]

​@@lanzekaizerazupardo5292 God damn

[@Sigart]

In Civil War there are also several scenes where Steve and Tony reaches out, trying to resolve their conflict, showing us, the audience, that they value eachother, they value each other's opinion and they value the relationship they have. This means that the final personal conflict is all the more devastating and also why you can have a scene like the one where Cap drops his shield; because Steve, whatever disagreement he has with Tony, _values_ Tony and so when Tony tells him that he doesn't deserve the shield, it matters. If Steve and Tony had had no prior relationship or had been antagonistic from the start, why would Cap give up the best weapon he's got? It would have made the severing of their ties less impactful.

[@_fawkes]

Underrated comment. Explains beautifully why the buildup and relationship between two characters are necessary before making them clash.

[@loudboy317]

Steve and Tony were already antagonistic from the start. First, there's the argument in Avengers 1 (Cap: Big man in a suit of armor. Take that off and what are you??? Iron Man: Billionaire, genius, and philantrophist) and then, they fought each other in Age of Ultron while Tony was bringing Vision to life. Civil War was basically the boiling point between these 2 characters.

[@drtirthadas]

exactly and those relations are what made civil war work

[@drtirthadas]

exactly and those relations are what made civil war work

[@p3chv0gel22]

@@loudboy317 they were antagonistic, but bot in the Same way as Batman and Superman were. Cap and Iron man were on the same side, but were the contrast of each other. Cap was a Leader, who wanted the Avengers to be s good Team. Tony on the other Hand was a arrogant genius, who believed, he know better what needed to be done and was now standing in front of the man, his father always believed to be the best Person ever. But after their first Meetup in Avengers, they respect each other, which Made their antagonistic behavior in CV all the more heartbreaking Batman and Superman were antagonistic to each other because... Reasons. There was no buildup for them or anything. CV were friends, who were turned against each other, BvS was a Hero we know in this universe against a random powerful Guy, we've never seen before. Just like the villains in other movies, for example Steppenwolf in Justice League or Ultron in Avengers 2. It's just not possible to throw a new Character in a movie, let him fight against a Charakter we know and believe it would have the exact same emotional Potential as two known characters fighting

[@RussyPopDnD]

What makes this video so brilliant is the way you don't just trash on BvS, you actually suggest ways the movie could have been improved. Excellent, excellent job

[@WorthlessDeadEnd]

Yes. You can tell that he's not merely a Marvel fanboy; he's logically explaining _why_ BvS was shit, and why Civil War worked.

[@3Rayfire]

My favorite part. If he had written (or even just script doctored...QA'd it) BvS we'd have something worth watching.

[@NocturneHG25]

good point

[@DivvayKhatri]

Until you realise the movie was story driven and what the characters were taken from their darkest comic counterparts. And also it turns out to be one of the darkest movies of all time when you realise that sups was facing backlash and it was impossible for him to be all jolly and optimistic. Further destroying a character trait was batman killing. He had gone so far into madness that his identity as Bruce Wayne was turned into a mask which he used to infiltrate places where Batman can't. That's fucked up. He doesn't even care about anything anymore. He dreams about either world ending events or his parents' death. That's even more fucked up. If bvs story isn't fucked up and mind blowing in itself then i dont know what is .

[@paddylong3]

Divvay Khatri bvs just wasn’t executed well at all, a massive let down. I’m a DC fan as well as a marvel fan, but bvs just didn’t sit well with me, it was a really unsatisfying movie

[@TheGamer2323]

One was rushed, one was a huge build up of multiple projects

[@Spenced86]

ok

[@chrislopez5301]

TheGamer2323 that isnt true at all ur dumb asf civil war was not a huge build up lmfao

[@chrislopez5301]

TheGamer2323 what build up the mini disagreement in age of ultron then into civil war yea big build up lmao

[@alexalexander1749]

Christian Lopez they refer back to avengers, avengers 2, cap 2 tragedy.. how is that is not a buildup?

[@alexalexander1749]

Christian Lopez it give impacts to audiences because we know what happen before, how much they have change, we can feel the characters

[@siegfried8644]

Interviewer: I want to know why you've allowed Batman to kill in this picture Zack Snyder: You know I tried to do it in sort of a... technical way. *Cuts to Batman violently slaughtering people*

[@asianpersuasion4901]

machine gun go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[@Napoleonic_S]

But here we are with people apparently getting hyped up with snyder JL, let's see if it actually good or just another train wreck like bvs.

[@siegfried8644]

@@Napoleonic_S To be perfectly honest, I'm actually hoping that it's honna be good. I've been a Marvel shill got most of my live, but after Endgame I gotta say I'm emotionally satisfied and don't need any more movies (aside from Spiderman 3, Thor 4 and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3). I would honestly like for DC to take the reigns now. Snyder is a pretty flawed filmmaker in my eyes, but at least he has a clear and focused vision for his movie and actually tries, which is more than I can say for other directors. WW84 was unfortunately a trainwreck so if Justice League happens to be good I'm all for it. The DC movies need a good one now. I just hope that Josstice League is the bottom of the barrel and that the only way left to go is up.

[@RiviaRK]

@@Napoleonic_S It's obviously gonna be good because Snyder just reversed most of the bad scenes in JL and turned it good. Plus it's also R rated and Batman doesn't smile.

[@Emon-lq7hh]

He is an old batman a human being that's why he is killing fighting crime for like I dunno more than 2 decades he doesn't care anymore for criminals.

[@vc6444]

Civil war - They were friends who fought each other. BvS - They weren't friends who fought each other.

[@siddharth_0771]

Civil War : Their mother's names were not same that's why they fought. BvS : Their mother's names were same that's why they became friends.

[@sarthaknavale3135]

@@siddharth_0771 BvS: Superman's mom had the same name AND she was a human hence bringing back Bruce to his senses that he was going to kill a mother's son.

[@siddharth_0771]

@@sarthaknavale3135 but why he said 'Martha' he should have said save my mother.

[@sai8098]

@The Predator Superman doesn't know Batman's mother's name is Martha. Batman doesn't know Superman's mother's name is Martha. Why the fuck would he say "Save Martha?" Batman has no clue who Superman's Martha is, and Superman has no clue who Batman's Martha is. Like it would have KIND of made sense if he said "Save my mother Martha" or something like that but no, just "Save Martha"

[@sai8098]

​@The Predator Oh my god you took literally everything I said out of context. Batman had no clue who Superman's Martha was until he said "Save Martha," if Batman's mother's name wasn't Martha, Superman probably would have died. And Superman had no way of knowing Batman's mom's name, he just kind of said it and got lucky.

[@puns-here]

"Don't bullsh*t me Rogers, did you know?" "Yes" This was enough

[@Marvelfanatic3658]

Enough of what?

[@MuhammadIchsanSebastian]

@@Marvelfanatic3658 emough to be better for plot writing then BvS

[@Adam89111]

@@Marvelfanatic3658 My god how are you? is been too long since we met

[@puns-here]

@Drey's Games yeah, tremendously good

[@demyanrudenko]

@Drey's Games well, it is RDJ after all.

[@420sakura1]

Motivation is the main difference. Captain and Tony were right in their own sense. We saw both their characters and personality in their own movies. Barman trying to kill Sups because....plot.

[@jmrggrmj9330]

K 9 Poodle Barman tried to kill sups because he didn’t payed the tab.

[@SlapshotStudios]

K 9 Poodle Batman wanted to kill Superman because Superman took wonder women away from Batman

[@AuroraBorealis170]

tbh i still side with Cap i know Iron Man has his motivation and what Yinsen said but i feel like in the long run the Sokovia Accords would've been detrimental for the Avengers

[@powerofanime1]

@@AuroraBorealis170 Same. I was with Iron Man everywhere before and after Civil War, but not during it.

[@orphieorphs2485]

Yea barman...drinks a lot

[@yzerman123]

Even in Avengers 1 and 2, Tony and Cap had arguments that planted the seeds for future tensions in their relationship. Marvel had a long-term plan.

[@pichchoco7866]

It’s hurt to see Steve and Tony fight no matter how many times I watched it...

[@eggheadcobra]

Indeed. It hurts because those are two characters knew each other for years, so seeing them fight each other was saddening. Whereas Batman and Superman's fight didn't leave an emotional impact because they didn't have a personal connection like Tony and Steve did.

[@pichchoco7866]

Yes... Steve was not just a friend...he the person Tony put his trust in... because of how his father always spoke about Steve and admired him...when Steve revealed that he knew that Bucky killed Tony’s parents ... it’s tear me apart because of how much of an impact to Tony... this movie is such a great manipulation that I can’t choose who I’m gonna stand with... beside watching them tear each other apart... IMO , the best villain so far even greater than thanos...

[@ft.jackjimmy7282]

Cause we audience side with both of them. It makes sense that Steve hide this fact because he wants to spare Tony’s feelings and protect Bucky. It also makes sense that Tony attacked Bucky out of rage even though he knows Bucky was being mind controlled because Tony felt betrayed by someone his father praised and helped sort of create. In the end we did see Steve apologize to Tony and Tony did let Steve break out their friends from prison, I like to see that scene as Tony forgiving Steve. Tony didn’t ask for Steve to return to Avengers but he repaired the shield anyway not knowing if he’ll ever return and now I’m sad.

[@thedevilwearsconverse967]

True shit, i can rewatch any MCU movies except that one😔

[@dustmanSOC-0k]

I guess, Zemo is the best villain that could made Steve and Tony clashing each other.

[@jovanchakraborty7384]

You know you screwed up when a LEGO parody of your character ends up as a better movie than yours.

[@perhapsahigherbeing288]

Really?

[@bluefiremarkii]

@@perhapsahigherbeing288 lego batman

[@control4050]

That's the stupidest shit I've ever heard. Understandable coming from a guy named chakraborty.

[@autobotstarscream765]

@@control4050 LEGO Batman actually has a proper character arc in his movies, so...

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

@@autobotstarscream765 yeah but Batman in BvS still had a strong motivation, everyone just turned off their brains when they got to Martha and just didnt think about how that was literally batman's entire worst fears coming to life, and it's also humanizing this person who he didnt see as human

[@pierezajosh]

11:55 "Stay down.. final warning.. " "..Martha" this cracks me up way more than it should have .. xD

[@leeanthonyavellana9946]

Hahahahaha i died

[@DRush76]

Your post cracks me up. Or . . . makes me sick to my stomach.

[@lukeskywalker604]

How is it even funny?? I don't find it funny. Plus it doesn't even make sense anyway. So WHATTTTTTTT?

[@Zartu_3rd_Overlord_of_Blargon7]

@@lukeskywalker604 Ever hear of the concept of demonstrating absurdity by being absurd?

[@UTU49]

Batman Vs. Superman 2: They come into conflict over a misunderstanding... but they get past it when they find out that they both had an uncle named Bill. Batman Vs. Superman 3: Yet again, Bats and Supes end up punching each other over yet another simple misunderstanding... but they get over it when they find out that they both had a favorite teacher named Mrs. O'Grady. Batman Vs. Superman 4: Another misunderstanding, more conflict, more punching... but they see past their differences as soon as they find out that they both had a dentist named Dr. Meyers.

[@tims4502]

BvS could have been solved with Superman saying “wait, let’s talk.” In Civil War they both thought they were both right. No amount of talking would have changed that.

[@TheVAGNETTO]

I disagree. At one point Tony managed to persuade Steve, so it was possible. That's why this conflict doesn't work for me. They were friends, they definitely could figured things out, if they were not dumbasses thanks to the script. BvS works because Bruce and Clark are not acquainted and they don't trust each other.

[@cardmaster8772]

​@@TheVAGNETTOBvS doesnt work because they act like idiotic children. While Tony and Steve discussed the Sokovia accords, they never discussed Bucky killing Tony parents and no amount of talk would have changed that.

[@nobodyasked3642]

@@TheVAGNETTO Lets see how you talk peacefully with your close friend who kept the murderers of your parents a secret to save his own best friend.

[@TheVAGNETTO]

@@nobodyasked3642 You do realize, that the whole truth was revealed too little too late, right? I mean, Cap is an asshole for keeping that crucial info from Tony FOR NO APPARENT REASON, and had he told Stark everything beforehand, before Zakovia accord - none of the conflict would happen! Yes, Ultron happened, but by the end of that movie they both were square. So this script is very contrive and thus unbelievable.

[@nobodyasked3642]

@@TheVAGNETTO ultron happening and sokovia accord has nothing to do with hiding of his parents killer cause none of them are personal to cap. Thats what makes the diff which you seem to have trouble understanding that they were never square

[@jmanners]

It also worked because they didn't jump straight into it. It's like if the MCU was Ironman 1, then Civil War and then Avengers.

[@TheTokelosh]

civil war was released four years after the avengers, but your point of multiple film story telling stands.

[@TheTokelosh]

@Jim Halpert yeah, i miss read his comment, I see what you, and he, meant.

[@markcobuzzi826]

In general, I would also liken BvS to Spider-Man 3, in that BvS tried to cram three distinct major antagonists for Superman into one movie (Batman in a disillusioned and paranoid state, Lex Luthor, and Doomsday) and Spider-Man 3 had three separate villains struggling for screen time (Harry Osborn becoming the New Goblin, Sandman, and Venom). In a way, BvS is arguably even more crowded and compact than Spider-Man 3 on the front, with Harry Osborn and Batman harboring a vendetta against Spider-Man and Superman, before teaming up with said heroes for the finale. Harry Osborn at least had two prior movies, to flesh out his character and explain why he hates Peter Parker so much and intends to mutate himself into another Green Goblin. Batman, on the other hand, only has a passing Easter egg of the vandalized Robin suit to barely explain why he was no longer in his right mind, to the point of breaking his one rule by killing random criminals in cold blood. On top of that, Spider-Man 3 also at least has the broader theme of revenge to help tie the "Peter Parker vs. Harry Osborn", "Spider-Man vs. Sandman", and "Spider-Man vs. Venom" a little more seamlessly into one story.

[@MarioGenerations]

Junga Boon a DCEU version of the MCU: Captain America Captain America: Civil war Guardians of the galaxy Black widow The avengers Thor Spider-Man: Homecoming

[@CabezasDePescado]

wrong, but nice try kid

[@Amadeus_A]

DC: You still haven't made a better movie than The Dark Knight Marvel: Neither have you

[@adrianstjarnfaldt395]

lol true but the dark knight has story the fights isnt very good at all and from me that pushes down the movie heath dosent have to mutch screen time pushes the movie down more BUT STILL IT ISSSS A FUCKING MASTERRPEACE

[@jazz2827]

Marvel now : We don't bother with DC anymore , haha!! Busy topping ourselves

[@deleted1048]

AmadeusA endgame is what u call the perfect movie it had great story telling it made u feel nostalgic, excited,sad, energetic it made u get goosebumps and overall it had the best ending

[@fbryn0688]

Deleted it’s still not better then the dark knight. And btw infinity war was better

[@marvelousmeyer48]

@@fbryn0688 You're saying that in the objective sense but that's really just your opinion. not a bad opinion but just let people like what they like

[@tanishq3039]

That moment when Yondu's death in GOTG 2 has more impact than Superman's death in BvS: Dawn of Martha. Thanks WB for firing Zack Snyder.

[@trevorphilips9065]

Tell me do you even realize when Superman died Batman pretty much gained faith in humanity which led to the creation of the Justice League and the resurrection of Superman

[@MG_Spy]

@@trevorphilips9065 *EMOTIONAL* impact, not plot impact. I teared up with Yondu's death and just sat there stone faced for Clark's.

[@trevorphilips9065]

@@MG_Spy Clark's death was allot sadder than Spider-Man's death in Infinity War because at least people weren't idiots saying "oh it's sad because he's Spider sense told him and oh he has a sequel later so let's keep crying because we are all morons"

[@MG_Spy]

@@trevorphilips9065 I'm sorry, are you ignoring how it's the exact same case with Clark? Of course we knew he was coming back, in fact in seems they couldn't even keep him dead for 15 minutes if the rising dirt was any indication. And yeah, Peter's death was a lot sadder because the films made him far more human than Clark ever was. No amount of wannabe introspective philosophical bullshit is gonna change that. And don't start with the whole "the movie is too smart" angle, BvS has its head so far up Snyder's ass that it could see all its bad reviews while looking through his teeth.

[@trevorphilips9065]

@@MG_Spy Pete wasn't sad it's been confirmed he has a sequel and only brain dead people would think Disney would kill there money character and he was barely in the MCU Civil War 16 minutes Spiderman Homecoming 2 hours Infinity War 7 minutes while Clark Man of Steel 3 hours BVS UE 3 hours and how is Clark not human he even experiences the consequences unlike Pete where he managed to ditch detention and doesn't have to deal with bills unlike Clark

[@ridwanali6901]

Marvel: Bucky's alive, stops fighting Dc: Our moms have the same name stops fighting

[@damianwayne3000]

Lmao

[@jockeyfield1954]

that scene could've worked a lot better if batman never killed in that movie if he never killed, then he would try to justify to himself that superman isn't human, that superman is just an alien that wants to destroy earth, but when clark finally says "Save Martha" batman then realizes who he is trying to kill: another man with a mom, with a family, with a girlfriend. bruce then realizes what he's about to do and stops, realizing that whether alien or man, they both have a life with people who care for them but, in the movie, batman kills people with machine guns and then stops trying to kill superman because "holy crap, our moms have the same name"

[@I3asyl]

@@jockeyfield1954 I completely disagree. Please look up "why you're wrong about batman v Superman" series. I'm telling you it'll change your mind about the movie. Everything in this video is still correct BVS is VERY impersonal. But because it's so impersonal it's so misunderstood. This is because the writer doesn't just force the story on to you. And ppl, like me, bogged down in the wow mom's have same name just continue to hate the film. I implore you to plz watch the vid explaining the decision behind Martha and get back to me.

[@dudescrawny5859]

@@jockeyfield1954 HiTop films?

[@ashoneth]

they don't stop fighting. he confuses him and beats him.

[@svisuals4932]

"He's my friend" "So was I" *This exchange alone tho*

[@savageshot3723]

That hit me so deep... I was fucking heart broken. That bromance moment is legendary

[@monotromatic]

that still hits deep

[@aaronmueller1560]

Also the exchange: “Killing him isn’t going to change what happened.” “I don’t care. He killed my mom.” So much raw human emotion, and such a switch up from the standard trope of using ‘It won’t change anything’ as an argument. It’s just immediately shut down with such strong emotion. It hits hard.

[@WillWright-lx4hf]

“I don’t care, he killed my mom”.

[@loudboy317]

Cap: He's my friend. Iron Man: So was I. Me: Since when?

[@Circleglide]

I personally love seeing villains VS villains, because you never know who is going to win and its harder to choose which one you are going to root for

[@strigers8007]

"What's worse than having to choose between two evils?"

[@gorkemaykut5230]

Could you recommend something like that

[@rosestar1324]

I’ve never seen a movie or show like that. Does one even exist?

[@Circleglide]

@@rosestar1324 There is Anime for that matter

[@mrvengeance7825]

Freddy VS Jason your welcome :)

[@orphieorphs2485]

Marvel: "i dont care...he killed my mom" Dc: "save my martha"..

[@chaficchbaro4599]

😐

[@BloxTheMvp]

@@chaficchbaro4599 ur mom

[@renujha6373]

Marvel : nahhh

[@Gerarudo]

Bruh

[@friedmiracle9960]

Y'all still don't get that line🤦🏽‍♂️

[@YouCantDeleteDenzelL]

Helmut Zemo: successfully tore the Avengers apart with mere survivor's guilt alone Mark Luthorberg: accidentally created the Justice League with an email and some fucking logos

[@Red_Spidey]

Zemo also fake as Bucky and bombed too and kill King T'Chaka so...

[@YouCantDeleteDenzelL]

@Cat Lover and yet somehow Zack Snyder is so fucking bad at writing active protagonists that it takes a fucking email and some logos for people to spring into action, IF that.

[@MorganLeodeMenezes]

@@YouCantDeleteDenzelL yeah I mean c'mon you can't build a team with laptop email videos

[@simonriley2611]

Mark luthorberg 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@aguywithalotofopinions412]

MARVEL works because it's ''Steve Rogers v Tony Stark'' NOT ''Captain America v Iron Man'' DC fails because it's ''Batman v Superman'' NOT ''Bruce Wayne v Clark Kent''

[@joshuaprovvisiero5633]

Michael Mello exactly

[@Sammy-bi9fj]

yup

[@michaelmacias8]

Tony Stark - "I am Iron Man"

[@sammyborhap]

Can you explain why that matters though

[@daijin4286]

@@sammyborhap because to batman , superman was just another guy to beat up . meanwhile tony accepting the accord is natural due to the ultron fuckup and roger refusing it because of the shield is hydra fuckup . . . . .let's not start talking about best friend(last person alive from cap time )/parents slaughterer debacle

[@JJchi834]

there's no way DC can top Marvel after Endgame, even Marvel can't top itself now

[@biguy617]

DC maybe able to top the solo movies but not the team up films. Justice League was garbage. Shazam was an excellent movie though

[@wallsterrence]

@@biguy617 shazam was really good

[@alucardhellsing9780]

Shazam was OK movie like Captain Marvel

[@Thisismyhandle221]

@@biguy617 I hated the 3rd act of shazam. Aquaman was a better movie overall in my opinion.

[@biguy617]

Velglow Shazam had the better character arc and villain. Shazam did not kill a villain's father for that villain to have motivation to go after him. The Shazam family was awesome. That is why it is a better movie.

[@pichchoco7866]

DC’s fans [ after Aquaman ] : I am inevitable... MCU’s fans [ after End game ] : I am Iron man....

[@gnuhgnauqneyugn]

Yes, now you need more likes :)

[@vietnamd0820]

Pich Choco Love it!

[@Bahamoot]

Lol the only other Marvel movies that’ll do good for a while are Spider Man. The new X-men movie coming out on June 7 looks like absolute shit

[@oscarmccormack1611]

@@Bahamoot **sigh** You know he means MCU. Your snide remarks add nothing except force people like me who give you the benefit of the doubt, and try and treat you like a human, and correct you.

[@Bahamoot]

Oscar McCormack that reply came out of nowhere, what do you mean? I was stating that Pheonix, the new Marvel movie, looked fairly bad.

[@chloend]

DC movies are always so dark. As in, I literally cannot see anything. There is no color

[@whoasked8771]

That’s true

[@redglasses33]

There's no sun in Gotham

[@control4050]

This comment is like that innocent cheerleader who has been pounded by every Jock in the college.

[@zaynes5094]

@@control4050 Jeez. Graphic much.

[@KayD7992]

lol why are yu guys expecting that marvel and dc are the same they have their own genre

[@RajeshJustaguy]

I think a big factor is also likeability... Most of the Marvel Characters have their own movie that builds up the character and you see their funny sides. That makes them more relatable. If anything harmful or serious happened to them, we as veiwers would also feel something. Superman's character is almost non existant. He's always brooding and too serious / angry or emotionless. And when that person dies, you dont feel it. Batmans is also another serious brooding one. Combine the two and you get one boring broodfest.

[@Ploopbloopz]

That's DC for ya

[@danielkeller5424]

That's because he was just learning about humanity and their ways. Having Batman there to kill him for the city's destruction is not the reason all. If everyone wasn't so blind, later on they would have found out that Zack was planning on making him into the version of Superman that all you perfecto happy go lucky Superman fans want. Instead of complaining and saying oh it's so dark. You can't always get what I want. There are different versions of Superman as well. Not all of them are smiles and lighthearted.

[@cbowman8518]

Hold up Clark Kent, the boy next door from middle of nowhere Kansas raised on a farm all his life by two humans is "just learning about humanity" now? I'm sorry, did Snyder have a couple of penguins in the sewers of Gotham raise this boy or something. Superman's been growing up with and around humans literally his entire life. His entire character is summed up with a good natured farm boy crossed with the perfect being. Granted Snyder apparently forgot that the Superman is supposed to be a superman in heart and mind as well and this edged out angst fest in tights couldn't comfort a scared or sad child if they were surrounded by a field of puppies. If this had all been a big setup for Injustice I honestly wouldn't have been surprised.

[@fatezero8662]

Wtf are you talking about, Man of Steel already did that for fuck sake. Then all of a sudden he becomes brooding and emo in BVS, sure maybe it's the trauma of killing Zod and countless lives that he wasn't aware of while fighting but then this just shows you how robotic of character Snyder made Supes.

[@fatezero8662]

Plus superman is symbol of hope, he is of pure heart and optimism no matter what especially the powers he has. But what BVS presented is like him having turned into some kind of a god which is so wrong in so many ways.

[@alecchristiaen4856]

it seems that all the failing dc movies don't see that a bombastic final fight isn't winning the crowd. in civil war, the argument between cap and tony (the one where tony callls wanda a wmd) is a quiet moment, and it's not the only one. in between action scenes (police escape, airport, soviet base), they put these quiet moments where we can get emotionally invested in the struggle. by the time tony decides bucky has to die, we as the audience understand this reaction, and the emotional climax runs in sync with the action. when tony states that cap doesn't deserve his shield (because the maker was killed by the person he's defending with it), he drops it. this is heavy stuff, because the shield symbolizes so much about cap (before the shield, he was a dancing monkey for propaganda, before that he was a sick weakling). he's willing to throw all that away because he cares about bucky, and he'd rather be a fugitive than lose his friend.

[@moxyblackfiddler]

Cap dropped the shield because he knew he wasn't worthy of the shield. Also, he had become a fugitive of his own country. In other words. Nomad

[@siddharth_0771]

This is called a writing 🔥🔥

[@disrupt94]

To bad that the MCU ultimately can't make a movie about an ideological rift like Civil war was in the comics. Tony abandons his own ideology halfway through the movie, and he never brings up the need for having an authority controlling the avengers again. It's just dropped. Tony does not fight out of ideological reasons in the comic, he just wants revenge against Bucky. A cliche you-killed-my-parents storyline instead of a ideological conflict. That is the level that the Russo brothers write at.

[@kenjinpiniteu]

​@@disrupt94 Eh, I'm kinda glad they didn't. The comic version of Civil War was good as an idea but was executed terribly. It started off well with two sides pushing on the passing of the Superhuman Registration Act, but as the story went on and on, Tony's ideology shifted from 'having oversight on superhuman/meta individuals' right into 'suspension of habeas corpus, and arrest without trial'. It had the opportunity to view 2 negating perspectives on heroes as a whole, but instead of the grey-on-grey moral conflict (meaning both sides would have reason to be supported), it just went black and white when Maria Hill (who was on Tony's side/Pro-Registration) started arresting Steve and other enhanced individuals without warrants (and the fact that the Registration Act wasn't even passed yet at the time). Not to mention, Tony hiring publicly declared villains to ground and arrest those on Steve's side. Yeah, it did start off as an ideological conflict that would have provided reasonable debate, but as the story progressed up to Steve's death, Tony went from a reasonable pro-Registration Act figure, and straight up fascist (especially when he flat out told Spiderman that everyone who didn't register did not have rights, not even to a lawyer). The MCU version was scaled down, and when you compare it to the comics, it does feel a lot restrained because we only see it from the Avengers (whereas the comic version had the Fantastic Four, the X-Men, the Defenders, cosmic organizations like the Carol Corps, the Imperial Guard, etc.). However, I did like how the MCU version had me torn on who to support: I understood Tony, and I also sympathized with Steve's cause. By the time the movie ended, I couldn't say who was right, but I can definitely say that neither was wrong. The comic storyline? Not so much. It was either martyred Steve Rogers, or Nazi-lite Tony Stark. One was good, the other clearly in the wrong. I will say, though - I agree with your take on Tony. It felt as if the whole conflict for an overarching, overseeing authority on metas was kinda forgotten. I hear that it will be a plot point in The Winter Soldier & Falcon show though - since both characters are associated with SWORD, and maybe to an extent, WandaVision as well?

[@disrupt94]

@@kenjinpiniteu " but instead of the grey-on-grey moral conflict (meaning both sides would have reason to be supported), it just went black and white when Maria Hill (who was on Tony's side/Pro-Registration) started arresting Steve and other enhanced individuals without warrants (and the fact that the Registration Act wasn't even passed yet at the time). Not to mention, Tony hiring publicly declared villains to ground and arrest those on Steve's side." Using the wrong methods for a noble cause really only makes Tony a tragic anti-hero. Flawed individuals can snap under pressure. I agree that it's not perfect, but it was a fight where you were allowed to ask yourself who is right between two ideological standpoints, controll vs freedom. Extreme methods on one part does not mean that it's 100% black and white. Tony did not want Spiderman hurt. Tony wanted to talk the conflict out when Captain America attacks him (atleast that is how Tony woudl view it). It's not as black as white as you suggest. " Tony hiring publicly declared villains" Cap and Co ARE public villains. Perhaps even more so in the movie where Cap sides with Bucky who really could be a double-agent by Hydra for all Steve knows. in the comic, Cap kicks Punisher out for killing two villains about the join Caps team if I remember correctly. Thing is, the Russo brothers could have written a Tony that was more gentle in his methods, and the conclict could still be ideological. They had the perfect arc for it, and they dropped it in favor of generic paste that makes Tony look like an absolute bellend regardless. He has faced mind-controll in two movies allready. Wanda is on his freaking team. It makes no sense for Tony to be mad long term, but not bring the conflict up again once He and Cap reunites. Cap about to kill his old friend and let's himself be arrested because he realizes how much blood and horror their rift has caused, that's an emotional climax far beyond them breaking up but Steve writes a cute little Letter and they unite without real problems against Thanos.

[@p4hagen197]

What if superman caught the joker, but didn't kill him. When joker escapes, he kills Robin, causing batman the blame superman.

[@LetThatStuffGo]

Yes. Would so see that. As long as Robin is not Dick Grayson. 😕

[@l8teraligator618]

That would work so good to the audience

[@pesciisthebestcharacter5100]

And Robin could be Jason Todd

[@TaysanGalovu]

Why the hell would Superman kill Joker? If Batman thinks Joker is so dangerous, he can kill him himself.

[@Crystal_Apple]

Exactly what I was thinking lol

[@mylgardose]

Zack Snyder: Batman never killed them, he just stunned them. Stunned them into pieces.

[@AbrasiveTea]

Because Marvel built up to it creating character development and DC didn’t want to take the time to grow their characters.

[@MiguelGutierrez-vs9zu]

WB is responable for that. Neither Snyder or Nolan (executive producer) wanted things go so fast. They were following orders and Snyder came up with everything in the DCEU (at least aesthetically). Nolan left after BvS and WB threw Snyder under the bus despite make profit, all because BvS didn't reach 1 billion dollars. JL is another sad story.

[@diablotry5447]

DC are idiots if they expected BvS to beat the $1 billion mark because they had very little build up and the movies prior to it weren't the best. They're lucky that they didn't lose a lot of money

[@jar6264]

Warner Bros you stupid fuck.

[@Neverinfamous27]

DCEU FANS : We have Superman and Shazam MCU FANS: We have a Kevin Feige.

[@Imari-Tard]

We got the Russo's

[@v8du]

Karthik Sandeep we have a hulk

[@theon3pieceisreal]

Karthik Sandeep we have robert downey jr

[@kongassets]

We had Stan the man cameo in your movie

[@Neverinfamous27]

@@kongassets dceu fan? yeah i watched teen titans go movie. its just that zack snyder killed the dceu , shazam is basically a soft reboot for the extended universe

[@iamgroot2810]

I grieved Groot's death in GOTG1 a lot more than Superman's death.

[@EL-bo7kj]

I grieved that one ant's death in Ant Man more than Superman's. Edit: Honestly I was just talking about any ant in that movie but since ANThony is so beloved, Rest In Peace ANThony, we will never forget you!

[@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros4419]

@@EL-bo7kj Respect ANThony!!! (*triggered*)

[@shoutmondx8740]

@@EL-bo7kj You Mean ANTony yeah I miss him

[@Ghostinasuit]

Shoutmon DX Such a strong ant. F

[@shoutmondx8740]

@@Ghostinasuit Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[@maxhocks2006]

Civil war: the tragic story of a friend ship falling apart because of hut feelings, betrayal and lies. Batman v Superman: a bald man told me to kill you. And you may one day be a threat, possibly, maybe.

[@siddharth_0771]

"Vengeance has consumed you, its consuming them" that's we called a writing.

[@ChoperJoJo]

By that logic i could say civil war: a man hating a friend's friend 'cause he killed his parents under brainwashing effect.

[@siddharth_0771]

@@ChoperJoJo no. A man wants revenge from avengers bcoz his family died bcoz of them.

[@ChoperJoJo]

@@siddharth_0771 he wants to kill a guy who wasn't in control of himself. That sounds stupid and childish to me

[@siddharth_0771]

@@ChoperJoJo lol I am talking about Zemo. Also how would Tony would spare Bucky, he was angry af. If he had done like "Oh u were under control of hydra, I will spare you although u killed my parents which I spent my childhood thinking they died in accident" this will sound stupid.

[@tuksumkaiz]

"you wouldn't normally tell your super nice chemistry teacher to go eff her self but if you just been to the theatre to see Justice league for the first time you might" XD *Subscribes

[@JohnCottier]

Hands down the best line in the video.

[@ShirDeutch]

No personal loss for Batman? Are you forgetting about Jack, Bruce Wayne's... employee, who is... important to him, because he, err, works in the building and needs the CEO of the company to personally call him to tell him to evacuate the building when the city is being destroyed? Come on, Jack! He's from the comics, right? Okay fine he's not from the comics but so what? He's still super important!

[@dasik84]

I love this comment. :D

[@user-tt5hz8hm5l]

What about Fred tha janitor who serves umm cofee to jacl everyday bruce cares about fred too ummm he died too i gues ummm..

[@SaulOhio]

Make it Lucius Fox that dies when the Wayne Industries building collapses, and then you have something personal.

[@banananarwhals2016]

And Superman had some too- Jimmy Olsen took a massive emotional toll on Superman, being his best friend at all. You know, they built up their friendship soooo much in the movie.

[@matthewheywood8532]

Banana Narwhals you mean the jimmy Olsen Superman shockingly didn’t even bother to save

[@silentandcliche]

Bahaha, that opening with the comments over the monologue... Genius. Take my free like, good sir.

[@renujha6373]

Dc: fight me marvel!! Marvel : nahh, too busy topping myself

[@MorganLeodeMenezes]

Yeah Correct 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@tristensanders7194]

DC just thinks that because they have some of the most popular characters ever fans will instantly love the movie

[@loudboy317]

Meanwhile, none of the Marvel characters (outside of X-men, Spider-Man, and Hulk) were that popular to begin with but somehow, people love their movies.

[@trueflash4696]

When did they say that stupid

[@jtcob8486]

@@trueflash4696 r/whoooooosh

[@jamesmagwenzi6058]

When did they say that? Just curious?

[@patrickmahomes3616]

@@jamesmagwenzi6058 they don't really need to say it...

[@sebastianaruizserrano8191]

I USED to be a die-hard DC fan, then came BvS, JL and Infinity War... DC was no longer defensible, especially after Supes, Batman and Cyborg left. Thanos snapped my DC identity.

[@mad3237]

Waterman is decent though 👍

[@potmeetkettle]

@cinnamon mad Yeah, H2Oguy is cool. 10/10

[@fatezero8662]

Shazam was cool too. They went a little overboard with the corniness but it's a definitely a good film.

[@420sakura1]

Aquaman, Shazam, Wonder Woman are getting on track. Now that MCU is over... kinda. They have a new lease on life.

[@bobsemple9281]

@@420sakura1 MCU isn't finished just avengers and stone story arc finished

[@Cu_tea_party]

My heart was physically breaking every time Tony and Steve hit each other in that last scene like I was seriously about to cry

[@vietnamd0820]

lily west Indeed an epic moment of a legendary saga

[@thelel6591]

the look on tony's face when he found out who killed his parents was enough

[@hashknight1]

there were so many plot holes & inconsistencies in that movie.

[@suuuki7962]

I knoww, my heart shattered when I saw the trailer

[@keyblader2k6]

and THAT is why the mcu is SOOOO much further ahead than the dceu. even though we had to watch 12 movies to understand/care for civil war, it logically led up to it.

[@illiacartoons7499]

“Batman” and “kills criminals” is not something I can imagine in the same sentence

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

The fans will whine at you saying "b-but he killed in random issue number who gives a shit from 1939!" As if thats a compelling argument

[@baqcasanke]

@@MILDMONSTER1234he kills in the movies all the time. The tim burton ones he straps bombs to goons chests n blows them up 😂

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

@@baqcasanke I can cut Tim some slack cause he straight up admitted he didn't give a rats ass about the comics cause no one did back then.

[@skylandersfan6954]

​@@baqcasankeAnd its an issue there too, next point

[@blesero]

just realize that even after endgame, tony never get a proper apologize or a reconciliation scene with bucky barnes.

[@liarose2054]

... yeah okay whatever I didn't *need* my heart to live or anything hahaha h a

[@dire_ahamkara7802]

BvS should have been after a movie about the joker killing robin

[@SlapshotStudios]

Detective TerribleDetective or during the battle between zod and Superman robin dies and Batman sees Superman kiss Louis lane and wants to kill him

[@harrylane4]

I dont understand why that was an offscreen backstory situation

[@UTU49]

"Detective TerribleDetective" I LOVE that joke. From B99, right?

[@NoNickNoKick]

Simple, Nolan's trilogy ends. Joseph Gordon-Levitt became robin and searches for a new Batman, finds Affleck, dies.

[@VultureClone]

Hell, even if Luther killed Robin to enrage Batman, sending him off on a bad guy killing spree. Which in turn lures Superman out into the open to stop Batman and playing into Luther's plan, etc.

[@alphagamer9505]

thats simple, in civil war we already know cap and tony,we know their points of view in bvs we dont

[@acrux1918]

@Oscar Rivers 'Humans trying to be gods' Thor's arc in Endgame and the entirety of Homecoming, just to name some, goes against that. Also, humans trying to be gods is not that unrelatable either. For example, let's look at Tony's arc altogether. He experiences the chitauri invasion. If you had the power and resources to try and safeguard the Earth for another invasion like it, you'd do it, won't you? That's why Tony tries 'playing god' in Ultron. Likewise, there are reasons for characters wanting to be god. What I'm trying to say is that there are exeptions if you look into it, and that the 'Humans trying to be gods' isn't necessarily a flaw.

[@LegendPurpleDragon152]

Oscar Rivers Their points of view are TOLD to us, but we don’t EXPERIENCE them. CW works because we saw how those get there and like this video points out, the conflicts are personal. BvS is a cash grab that spends too much time setting up future movies than focusing on the movies they got. Also we know what DC is about. And any of the movies Snyder had unlimited control on sucked (before you bring up Wonder Woman, he had people to tell him ‘no that’s stupid’ on.) Shazam was good because it embraced the spirit of the character, while still showing Billy become heroic in the end, as well as had a well crafted sequential narrative that knows to keep the focus on the title character, where it belongs. Also Snyder didn’t direct it, and considering that the man hates superheroes as a concept, especially Superman, that’s a good thing.

[@jaylemiere7283]

이민형 humans dont try to be gods

[@onthescene7897]

@Oscar Rivers It's funny how you are so affected by the comment basically saying BvS is trash. It's soooooo funny how hard you defend it LOL

[@alphagamer9505]

@Oscar Rivers but for a movie that is heroe vs heroe we need to know those two characters,in cw,we already had 4 movies with cap and 5 with tony where through those film they change their perpestive bout govern,in bvs we dont know batman and know little about clark

[@kstelakis]

the one thing that ruins most DCEU battles for me is that everyone is too strong. 1punch and the enemy is now 5 blocks away and it becomes who can punch harder and a cgi camera flying with them. In marvel there is hand to hand combat and people using the enviroment likebucky pinning tony on the wall to rip out the reactor. the one fight I enjoyed a lot in BvS was batman figinh the villians in the small house because it was grounded with hand to hand combat. maybe making half your characters be able to punch through everything wasnt a good idea after all

[@panjar9634]

I strongly agree with you

[@karaltar7914]

It’s like anime but bad

[@Violent_Mitch]

Nah disgaree, that's what I like about DC. DC has both anyways. Godly beings duking it out can be entertaining af.

[@p3chv0gel22]

@@Violent_Mitch i'd kinda agree with you. It can really be fun. But to be honest, the fight scenes in most of the DCEU movies felt a bit boring/slow to me compared to for example the fight between Cap Tony and. Bucky in civil war. But Personal taste doesn't make anything objectively better, so yeah

[@majumder456]

I mean they coulda killed Alfred or Lucius Fox in the opening scene but instead they killed....Jack. Who’s Jack?

[@pieinyourfacestreax5138]

Jack must've really needed that overtime, huh? (Theory: could it be Jack Ryder?)

[@Vircepresident]

Jack? It's CAPTAIN Jack.

[@UTU49]

Jack Spratt could eat no fat, His wife could eat no lean... Jack and Jill went up the hill, To fetch a pale of water... Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, Jack jumped over the candlestick. That poor Jack, he burnt his dick.

[@marving.5436]

Yep for all the thousands of People got Killed that Day he only cared about Jack...

[@chrislopez5301]

AJ to the M the same can be said for the random civilians who got hurt in that building in civil war so whats ur point

[@saadatkamal8110]

Petition to make this dude director of the DCEU

[@vietnamd0820]

Electronic Ninja His BVS would’ve been one of my favorite DC flicks

[@no-ko1mj]

no.

[@justsomeguywithaquestionab3175]

@@no-ko1mj yes

[@jonneveenstra4993]

Yeah let's make the guy director who doesn't know batman doesn't kill

[@DivvayKhatri]

Petition to bring Zack back to the dceu

[@hioman]

"Plant yourself like a tree and say I AM, GROOOOOOOT"

[@ez6987]

I'm your 69th like ;)

[@lyssamalloy5162]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@sawyerprescott9650]

Zeke Manuel I’m the 169th like

[@iron2684]

This made me laugh so hard 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jonathanschaffer2594]

This needs more likes

[@arcanechaos3147]

What made Civil War so amazing as an experience was that Tony and Steve had so long to build up a relationship. We saw them laugh, cry...grow as people. That's not the case with BvS. We had, what, a movie with Superman and none with Batman? We know next to nothing about them.

[@sorryifoldcomment8596]

Yeah, and even in Civil War, Tony & Steve reunite and become friends again right before the final fight. Which I think was a great decision, because it confirms how built up their relationship is & how much they don't like fighting each other...right before the heartbreaking end. Despite beating each other up and fighting earlier, both physically & verbally...the moment Tony finds out he was wrong he rushes to help Steve & Bucky, and despite still disagreeing about the Accords, Steve is immediately happy to see Tony the moment he learns he's there to help & no longer after Bucky..."It's good to see you Tony," - "You too Cap." As they proceed to go face the super soldiers threat together, a team once again. 😢 _(Steve's reaction when Tony finds them & starts talking is also perfectly contrasted with Bucky's reaction. Steve reacts positively and immediately trusts that Tony is there to help within a few lines, while Bucky keeps his gun trained on Tony the whole time, despite Tony saying he's not after him anymore...with Bucky only lowering it once Steve tells him to. Steve trusts Tony's being honest and can tell he's being genuine, but that's only because he's spent so much time interacting with Tony, as they built their relationship. While Bucky only trusts Steve, but trusts him a lot because their relationship is so strong & built up, etc. It just felt so natural.)_ And somehow their brief reunion doesn't feel rushed at all, which is incredible considering it happens over 1 minute with only a few lines exchanged between the 2. Basically, the fact you point out - how built up their relationship was - is further accentuated by how little talking is needed to stop them from fighting earlier. The issue has to be so deep in order for them to be unable to talk it out at the end of the day, and Russo Brothers totally pulled it off. Sorry /end ramble. 😅

[@TatoISR]

Honestly though, all the “you DC hater” trolls need to back off. If he hated DC, he wouldn’t have basically given them the instruction manual on how to succeed at their movies. Think about it.

[@yaboiakira929]

yeah fanbois don't have the brain capacity for it pal

[@navy0287]

That was a heroic effort, but if they were capable of using critical thinking, and not relying on confirmation bias to form their opinions, they wouldn't be fanboys.

[@matianuclaudiu3201]

Dc makes better games comics and animated movies all marvel has is movies and this guy only talks about them like they are the only important thing

[@TatoISR]

Matianu Claudiu I beg to differ. Yeah, DC has better games and comics and whatever, but he’s not a game reviewing channel or a comic book reviewing channel. He’s a movie channel. So that’s why he talks about *M O V I E S*

[@TatoISR]

Toxic Anoxic tru

[@UTU49]

Do you remember how satisfying it was when Batman and Superman defeated the villain? Do you remember how sad we were when Superman died? Yeah, me neither. Compare that to Endgame.

[@minakshijajoria7878]

Well bvs is being compared to endgame...biggest honour this movie is gonna get

[@whycaleb2823]

UTU49 ha bvs doesn’t stand a chance against endgame it’s not even an opinion it’s a fact

[@TrevorXStrydeR]

Should've compare Justice League with Avengers: Endgame.

[@rick5219]

A Guy Studios BIG BOOTY

[@Cecebookworm07]

Trevor AngELo StryderZ I mean, Id like to see it but that’s just disrespectful to Endgame.

[@thefilmwatcher1302]

Simple answer: one was desperately trying to be the other.

[@jazz2827]

Yeah, i agree.. Jealousy is ugly

[@thefilmwatcher1302]

Abyss Roamer Not just this. Literally every superhero movie these days wants to be the Avengers series. This, Josstice League, Fant4stic. Hell, even what the FoX-Men franchise has become! I liked the FoX-Men franchise until Dark Phoenix, since that just mixes ideas from Age of Ultron and Captain Marvel. I like DCEU movies like Man of Steel, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and even Shazam, but that’s pretty much it. I hated Fant4stic, though only for its unsequelable mess of a plot.

[@bruhmoment2316]

To me theres nothing wrong with copying an idea but so long as you do it right and the dceu did not do it right

[@p3chv0gel22]

@@bruhmoment2316 i would disagree Getting inspired is ok, as long as it's not a direct copy. You could take a concept like good guys fighting good guys and make your own thing. Copying something on the other hand seems just lazy

[@yankeewiththeglizzy5008]

Parvika Singh dumbass that doesn’t mean production started before the announcement

[@TheHaakonmelien]

Simple answer: Filmento should be a film consult on how to make and write good movies

[@aldanboston3706]

Iron man:stay down....final warning! Captain America:...........martha! Me:????wtf capman????

[@ynog0978]

That's so relevant when Tony's mom is actually called Martha (I think)

[@maihun_rsc]

@@ynog0978 Maria, not Martha!

[@ynog0978]

@@maihun_rsc oh sorry forgot bout that, thanks for correcting it

[@daddy_.rome0]

Both of their best friends were in the Armed Forces and their first names were james.

[@seen5390]

You're forgetting the best versus movie: *Monsters Vs Aliens*

[@weasel4674]

Zean Sam childhood

[@vladimiradidas1945]

The childhood memories just hit me like a truck just thinking about it. *its beautiful*

[@JTZombiE]

OOOH THE MEMORIES

[@JTZombiE]

@@vladimiradidas1945 me too

[@Steezy_Malone]

Zean Sam 😂😂😂😂😂

[@ezioblazesit9017]

"Nothing wrong with DC" Justice League: *exists*

[@e65666]

Suicide squad : *exists* Batman v superman : *exists*

[@DivvayKhatri]

@@Bryan-bd5kc lmao no . The story of bvs is written in a way that it becomes the reason for jl to come together. And it's a much better movie than it gets credit for

[@megumareta6361]

@@DivvayKhatri if they had the patience to introduce us to Aquaman, the Flash, and Cyborg. Jl wouldve been fine for me. But i guess WB really doesnt have the patience to do that

[@TrevorXStrydeR]

@@megumareta6361 DC couldn't wait because Marvel are literally ahead of them in storytelling. So, they just go with it. The difference between civil war against BvS was Tony & Steve knows each other. So their conflicts gets personal. While in BvS, Clark & Bruce doesn't know eachother. So their fight are not motivated against anything. For me, superman motivation are shallow. He regretted that he kills Zod while when he still alive everything around him dies? That is called warped sense of justice.

[@Janetheproblemsolver]

@@DivvayKhatri Nah, to sum it up, in CW, Tony and Steve have a real conflict, and in bvs, it was all just bullshit

[@dav1d9]

Quicksilvers death had an even bigger impact than Superman dying

[@zaiongames6727]

superman always comes back its sooo annoying

[@NotAClueWhy]

@@zaiongames6727 i know right

[@fleisbester612]

Nobody gave a shit about quicksilver, it was the most disposable character in superheroes movie history. And was also a pretty stupid death, a speedster being shot dead.

[@zaiongames6727]

@@fleisbester612 true

[@dav1d9]

@@fleisbester612 That just goes to show how unimpactful Superman’s death was 😂

[@Codex_0613]

why do u even need a 17 minutes video to explain this when you can just tell with just one sentence "you can't tell a 10 years story in 2 hours"

[@frostanimations9842]

It had only been 8 yrs at the time of civil war sooooooo...... you’re wrong

[@kanysha7688]

@@frostanimations9842 oH HhE wAsNT rEAdYyYyYy

[@connermitchell1663]

@@frostanimations9842 well I dont see a single animation on your channel

[@xhaterkillerx]

@@connermitchell1663 he means it was an 8 years story, not 10 years. He isnt saying that doing it in 2 hours is possible, hes just correcting the timeline, at least what I think hes doing.

[@TheInfamousWolf]

The answer is clear, DC fans are tone deaf morons.

[@SharpDesign]

Yes, absolutely would have been better with personal reasons to fight.

[@fourth1000]

There was a personal reason. He just missed it thinking the movies had to be the same. The personal conflict is Batman and Superman's personal differences in what Justice is. Batman's brand of justice is corrupt- he's killing people by sending them to prison so they get murdered. It's shown in the scene where Clark opens the letters sent by Luthor of the dead inmate with the question: "JUSTICE?" Justie is what these characters are all about considering the next movie was going to be justice league. Filmento gets it wrong here thinking they had to fight over lois land or something. Also, he says people batman knew should of died to make things personal. I guess he skipped the beginning of the movie where Wayne tower collapsed and batman got pissed when he was sent a picture of the aftermath with the words: "YOU LET YOUR FAMILY DIE" But Filmento doesn't cover that.

[@headshotzbyjcent]

@@fourth1000 see I do think the conflict of what justice is would have been good if they didnt try to rush into justice league just to keep up with marvel. Would have been nice to see a MoS sequel and a solo batman first. Oh well

[@fourth1000]

@@headshotzbyjcent Thank you for your reply. The DCEU was never trying to be like marvel.... initially. The original idea, was 5 films to build a superman story that would grow the character from dark, to his true form self. BvS was always the sequel. Then Justice league 1,2,3 and then done. It would of got rebooted after. It wasn't until after, the studio started pushing for more movies to be like marvel... which is probably why Affleck wanted out because he was only scheduled for 3 appearances as Batman. Justice does work, if the idea is fighting together from BvS on. Have you seen LA Confidential? Great neo noir movie. In classic sense; two cops hate each othe over their style of obtaining justice. On likes to break a few bones.... the other, by the book. It's not until they relize there are enemies bigger then their squabbling that they unite. My take.

[@headshotzbyjcent]

@@fourth1000 I feel ya man. Personally I really would have liked BvS if instead of the lex luther and doomsday we got, the antagonists were lex luther from the animated justice league series and someone like bizarro. That lex just seemed smarter, more powerful, and more manipulative in a way that I can see him getting superman and batman to fight based on their moral beliefs. And I say bring bizarro at the end when supes and batman realize lex luther is a big threat just cuz I think doomsday and the death of superman was just too early. Either way atleast dc seems like they're going in the right direction now. Plus we got the animated movies.

[@fourth1000]

@@headshotzbyjcent jcent james thank you for the reply. Allow me to try to convince you with this. The death of superman came along when it did because it's just when the comic producers thought of doing it. It was only made to be an edgy what if with no meaning/catharsis in mind. It's just, what if we told people superman died and watched the sales come in. In snyders version, there is meaning. Doomsday is the literal personification of what the public fear about superman after the Zod fight. Snyder is great in this way- like tarantino he doesn't tell you what to feel he lets some chips fall where they may. Some critics say snyder thinks destruction of the city is cool and style. I think opposite. If you wished superman was real, this would be the result if you wrote the story not as a propaganda to heroism with good PR for the character but in a real world sense allowing the audience and charcters to discern the events for themselves. The story is more interactive this way. The world fears one man with god like power: socially, politically and religiously. Even batman feels if that power goes bad one day, we will be powerless. Doomsday is the personification of that irrational anger, rage and cataclysmic disaster. But the trinity working together exorcise this demon of sorts. And at the height of the world hating him, superman gives his life for it and the world mourns and batman feels remorse about his corroded valor. And hope is born. LEX LUTHOR: This isn't intended to be classic lex. it's actually whiney lex jr. Lex Luthor is iconic but he gets away with such a bland motivation that when we see it in other films we say "generic evil business man is evil cliché" but why does Traditional lex get a pass? This lex Luthor (who I am not saying is better) fits withing the narrative of God-like power. He is an iconoclast of godlike beings. He wants to prove superman fallible based on his upbringing. Just like how people who are raised religious have bad things happen to them, they say "fuck god." Batman and lex are essentially the same character. They want to destroy superman at the cost of everything. Batman willing to lay down his life after 20 years of fight. To me, lex Luthor willing to spend every last dime to destroy superman funded by a company his father started I think he could care less about. Supermman is his new hobby. That's it. Let me know what you think. I was even going to post, why the Martha scene works and what people overlook when judging it because they only go by the memes that make fun of it.

[@BadassBobY]

The Real Reason Behind Marvel's Success is that they have Lights, and DC Has Dim Lights

[@xagerussia9687]

Exactly it's too dark literally

[@katie-mz6si]

some say it's to cover up their "random cgi monstrosities" lmao

[@protorhinocerator142]

This all started with the original Michael Keaton Batman. It was always at night, raining, etc. Before that we had 4 Superman movies. They were in the day time, brightly lit, hopeful, etc. Batman was trying to copy Blade Runner, and the DCEU kept that dark theme. Nobody likes it. Also the darker, muted color scheme for hero costumes. Why? One of the few things BvS did right was how they introduced elements of humor into the movie. This was desperately missing from previous efforts. Wonder Woman and Justice League had a few more light-hearted moments but not enough. It wasn't until Shazam that they found a good balance between humor and the deadly seriousness of the threats. Marvel established the right balance of humor way back in the original Iron Man. It just worked. The robot spraying Tony with fire retardant while he was testing the boots, the proof that Tony Stark has a heart, Pepper throwing Tony's date out of the mansion, Jarvis being snarky with the color scheme, and Stane's rant about Tony making an arc reactor in a cave with spare parts. Those were all comedic gold. They worked. Then there was the seriousness. The original attack. Stane's betrayal, next betrayal, and next betrayal. The entirety of the cave scenes. The de-icing problem. The terrorists acquiring Stark Tech. The big reveal when Pepper downloaded Stane's files. Very grim stuff. All life-and-death. But then it also had those "wow" moments, like when Tony first got the suit flying right, that look in his eyes when he was making the Mark 1 in the cave, that same look again when he knew he had to go stop the terrorists, Iron Man blowing up that tank and walking away like a boss, and of course that final "I am Iron Man" moment. In the comics he NEVER would have revealed his secret identity, but they had so carefully crafted his ego that it would be impossible for him to retain a secret identity. This was the "subversion of expectations" done right. It worked. it fit his personality perfectly. All of these formed the core blueprint for other Marvel movies. Newer movies might tweak the formula a bit but they all had their seriousness, their humor (often gallows humor), and their wow moments. And of course the best yet was Infinity War. It had the deadly seriousness of Thanos killing everyone, humor for nearly every character except maybe Wanda. Even the super-stoic Black Panther had that "get this man a shield" moment. But then it also had some of the best wow moments ever as well. Steve Rogers showing up, the awesome intro scene of the Guardians flying through space, Thanos' trickery at Knowhere, Nebula being tortured, Wanda using TK to wipe out those deadly blades, and of course Thor's arrival at Wakanda. All to be topped of with the Snap. Wow, just wow. BvS and Justice League never came close to this tier of complete mastery of comic book adaptation. Oh yeah, darkness. That's right. DCEU is way too dark, visually.

[@user-lw3rw4ol7n]

@@protorhinocerator142 I think the reason is WB. All of their movies are like this only.

[@MrWinnfield]

The real reason of Marvels success is that they make movies for children.

[@bennovanniekerk6929]

Problem is if bat v superman was personal, superman wouldn’t hold back and batman wouldn’t last 3 seconds

[@JessieShadowhold]

Counter point: if the personal and underlying conflict is batman wants to kill and Sup's doesn't, then it is reasonable (to me at least) that Superman would still hold back just long enough for Batman to gain the upper hand. Read the Dark Knight Returns and I think you get a good idea of the only way batman could win. And honestly, watching Superman win wouldn't be entertaining because he is so powerful. Half the entertainment of a BvS fight is seeing a man take down a god.

[@bennovanniekerk6929]

Tait Washburn I’m team batman all the way 😂 superman is just broken. You make a great point.

[@Darkkent83]

@@bennovanniekerk6929 hmm Batman is just broken but he's human so it doesn't make sense, and that's y Batman sucks. Batman has more skills than SUPERMAN, write a list and see for yourself.

[@blueberryblues5644]

DarkKent Of course Batman is more skilled than Superman?? Obviously he is. He worked to be who he is, while Superman was just born powerful. Were you trying not to make any sense?

[@Darkkent83]

@@blueberryblues5644 omg my point was skills vs powers dude Batman has more skills and does more things than SUPERMAN has powers! That makes no sense and no human in a typical lifetime can amass the amount of skills that Batman has that's why he's stupid. Batman c*#k suckers don't like Superman because of his powers and yet don't mind a human doing more

[@supersaiyanfox9190]

Even if BvS followed Civil War, it wouldn’t work as well as Marvel’s movie because we have spent so much time on Steve and Tony and their relationship, but we’ve only spent one movie with Clark and Bruce together.

[@arrogant1996]

Ultra Instinct God they didn’t even give Batman a movie by himself first they just threw him in with pretty much a man of steel sequel damn near

[@souvikbose8583]

Exactly...They had so much time to develop as characters..DJ just rust it by watching marvel start a universe

[@arrogant1996]

AgénT there’s a lot of Batman movies but only 1 origin movie....live action speaking and even so that shouldn’t mean anything look at the Spider-Man movies

[@arrogant1996]

Plus it doesn’t have to be an origin movie just a movie to give us time to get use to the DCEU’s Batman.

[@arrogant1996]

AgénT no it’s not cause Spider-Man was the character that we were supposed to be invested with in that movie which is why he has little screen time and I said it doesn’t have to be an origin movie just a movie to be invested in Batman as a character in the DCEU

[@MrOgge50]

The big difference between marvel and DC: Marvel: can make the audience care for and sympathize with the death of an ant. Yes an ant. DC: Can’t even make the death of one of the most iconic superheroes of all time (Superman) feel impactful, sad or emotional.

[@darthhauler9947]

RIP Ant-ony

[@princeszdd9828]

Ant-onys death was sad for absolutely no reason

[@CyborgNinja86]

I felt more sad for the death of Yondu than for Superman's death in BVS.

[@Raezialien]

Because it's superman, you know he won't stay dead. Plus because of how OP is Superman his death feel off.

[@JohnWick-hj3zt]

When you realize that Black Widow's death had more impact than Superman's death LOL.

[@denebh733]

Drinking game: Take a shot every time he says "personal"

[@strigers8007]

*ded* But that doesn't negate the fact that he is right

[@angelfish1192]

Be careful- I’ll count it, I have time. Edit: I’m doing it, will update soon. Update: about 31 times

[@behr.06]

You would be dead in 3 minutes

[@jdpragmatic8644]

Here’s a crazy idea: What if Lex Luther fabricated evidence to make it look like Batman kidnapped Clark’s mom

[@katewalker1670]

and that's a genius idea

[@pleasesignintowatchthisvid6724]

woah

[@user-ux1ll3tw9l]

yes that would work, but unfortunately it's still an impersonal conflict. It would still work as a movie but not as better as Civil War did...

[@giftqueens8087]

Then the fight would be 3sec😂Superman will rip his brain....he would make a monologue first 😂

[@debadityabhowmik6533]

You think superman is a trump supporter or something? Believing everything?

[@TheUKMikey]

DC fans... consider this mercy

[@joshua_prime3743]

Lololol

[@lolscorpion103]

lol

[@hehehehe4204]

@@joshua_prime3743 Dumbfuck

[@danielwoods3896]

@@hehehehe4204 they only said lol, what the fucks your problem

[@Milk_Toast]

Hehe Hehe I think you’re describing your self, Because it fits perfectly. I’m expecting a vulgar “comeback” from you.

[@dragonstormx]

"Your movie killed Robin and Jimmy Olson because OH DARKNESS!" What it makes it worse is that Zack Synder said it was Dick Grayson who was killed, which even WB decided to backpedal on because killing Grayson is a worse idea than making Cassandra Cain a boring pit pocket.

[@damianwayne3000]

THEY SHOULD HAVE JUST FREAKING HAD JASON DIE. Dont get me wrong I love Jason and he is my 2nd favorite Robin BUT HE IS ALREADY SET UP FOR IT. DYING IS HIS THING. ITS BASICALLY HIS BRAND

[@dragonstormx]

@@damianwayne3000 Plus he's more interesting as Red Hood than as Robin. As Robin he was a retread of Dick Grayson. As Red Hood he is a compelling antagonist who reminds Batman of one of his greatest failures. As well a reminder of what Batman could become if he decided to forget about his One Rule.

[@cloud_9941]

There was a lot building up to the final fight in Civil War, everything they did they did for a reason, a reason that seemed grounded. Tony and Cap’s fight was building up ever since Avengers. In Batman V Superman Batman literally just decided that superman was a threat and wanted to kill him. That was his goal, there was no grounded reasoning. Although I do think of there was more building up on both Batman and Superman’s fight and they weren’t just fighting for blood it would’ve made for a better movie.

[@JRF1004]

I really like this kind of videos of yours. I’m actually a DC fanboy but I love Marvel too and well every single video where you compare the movies you’re 100% correct. I just hope DC can reach the potential they have one day

[@PseudOni_]

Exactly my stance on Marvel vs DC Both

[@grandconqueror5712]

Well Marvel has a chance of losing the momentum after Endgame. Members of the Avenger would be dead or retired in MCU and IRL hang up their respective costume and role.

[@fourth1000]

DC is already been there. It just takes a closer look to see Filmento is wrong. He states that there is no personal connection between Batman and Superman to fight. There is. 1- it's their difference in Justice. Batman's jutice has corroded with his abandonment of his moral code. Superman is trying to build his but the world being a difficult thing to win over is making it hard for him to bring his classic hope and justice. 2. Batman does have a personal connection in regards to death. His building crumbled killing people he knew. He feels superman is too powerful to risk having him go bad and preemptively wants to take him down.

[@grandconqueror5712]

@@fourth1000 don't forget that a past tragedy happened to Bruce. Maybe it was Robin's or Catwoman's death/s, or/and something else happened. There may have been a chance of a flashback to explore what happened in Justice League but with WB capping the film to 2 hours and with Snyder's daughter's suicide it was not continued.

[@JRF1004]

Grand Conqueror Wow wow I don’t want Marvel to fall I want DC to rise

[@Vanillastump]

AND Marvel spent almost a decade building this world and giving these characters....well character. Goals, morals, friendships, other relationships, that all were built on in this movie. BvS was DC trying to capture that magic, without putting in any real work. They put too many characters, with no real reason for interacting into a bowl and pulled them out, seemingly at random. Plus garbage writing. My mother's name actually is Martha, and that entire scene made me hate both Bruce and Clark. Plus Lex being a bad Riddler, the dream sequences/dreams/flashbacks.

[@ArcaneAzmadi]

@ People have hypothesized that originally the movie was supposed to feature Lex Luthor AND the Joker as villains, and Joker got cut and his character merged into Lex's. Dumber things have happened.

@@ArcaneAzmadi dceu's joker is shit. You know that?

[@disrupt94]

@@ArcaneAzmadi it's more likely that they referenced Luthor around the young type of billionair kids who get consumed by finding new toys. Elon Musk when he was younger actually pretty similar to Luthor in the movie. I don't agree on making such a person the villain though.

[@cookiemonsteryummyyumz]

They should have followed the flow of batman superman: world's finest. They can always fight each other to the death later in the dceu

[@gamersfun98]

2:00 "One movie is personal, while the other is IMpersonal" See this is why BvS failed and Civil War succeeded. It's not hard.

[@Phoenix_11_17]

Exactly, and I love how DC fans are excited for Snyder cut but they don’t remember Zack Snyder’s BVS, a film of no emotion and just things being blown to hell, they forget Zack Snyder did that

[@XENOY30]

@@Phoenix_11_17 true'

[@keyblader2k6]

@@Phoenix_11_17 bro, many of those people actually liked dawn of justice, especially the ultimate edition. i wouldnt call all of them part of the snyder cult but they definitely wanted more snyder-directed dc movies

[@Phoenix_11_17]

keyblader2k6 they said sheep is responsible for the bad cgi even though vfx artists are a thing, looking at the Snyder Cut trailer the cgi looms exactly the same, potentially worse if I may say

[@keyblader2k6]

@@Phoenix_11_17 bad cgi does NOT excuse, in your own words, "a film of no emotion and just things being blown to hell." wow, what a bunch of blind fanboys for even using that argument.

[@aaronbischoff721]

What also makes Civil War work better is that we had several solo movies along with the Avengers movies with Cap and Ironman going through personal stuff along with having conflict with each other before seeing the breaking point. Rather than with BvS it’s pretty much one movie and not seeing enough of build up

[@rahulverma8774]

Yeah Its like they desperately wanted to surpass marvel in making a cinematic universe

[@donovanstewart698]

I just dislike these versions of the characters. I hate how Batman recklessly kills, and how Superman is just a Jesus allegory

[@wapinschawyams8532]

Read Frank Miller's run of Batman for a little more understanding if you haven't.

[@p3chv0gel22]

To be fair, Superman was always used as a sort of "perfect figure" in the comics

[@tyrkun1624]

@@wapinschawyams8532 Don't remind me. I still have a bad taste from All Star Batman and Robin

[@donovanstewart698]

Parvika Singh I’m a big fan of the comics, and I just feel like he gets the core of the character wrong. I feel like watchmen was ok, it’s just that with watchmen, you only really have to read the one book, meanwhile with Batman, you can’t just read the dark knight returns and expect to get the character

[@donovanstewart698]

Jahtoven EXACTLY! THANK YOU

[@Philagape]

Why Civil War works: "I didn't want you to be alone." Why BvS fails: "Bruce, wait! Let me explain ... but first I'm going to throw you through a building! MUST ... BLOW UP ... BUILDINGS!"

[@themadtitan7603]

Exactly!

[@loudboy317]

"Okay, Clark. You talk while I fire sonic beams, machine guns, and kryptonite gas at you. Then, once you are weakened, I'll beat the shit out of you and shove a kryptonite spear up your ass."

[@GodofHatred]

@@themadtitan7603 *Points* I'm the better villain!

[@faz6877]

Exactly! My mother is in trouble but before I explain we need to have a big CGI fight. And I don't get how the word "Martha" magically changes Bruce's mindset when the fact Superman saving the entire planet doesn't mean shit. It's like Snyder's Batman is far from the worlds greatest detective. He blames Superman for Zod throwing him through buildings? Bruce would be kneeling to Zod if it wasn't for Clark. There is no way in hell Bruce couldn't figure out Superman just saved the world from Zod. On that point alone he shouldn't be murdered by Batman, or at least buy some more time to investigate.

[@siddharth_0771]

@@faz6877 "People hate what they don't understand" - Martha Waiting for someone to comment this to u lol

[@dhiobokobok]

You can tell the Vs movie is so good when the fans itself fighting each other defending #teamstark or #teamcap , seriously, even the fans has a personal opinion online

[@joyeuse8524]

Not to say much but, I was in team cap for both the movie and the comic

[@N0URii]

right??

[@badanzlordofchromosomes823]

@@joyeuse8524 that's not a hard choice, Tony was a real douchbag in the comics

[@05r41]

@@badanzlordofchromosomes823 and the movie

[@redicity5884]

@@05r41 comics yes. Movie no.

[@kyahmetestreaming1518]

Damn. I love your take on BvS's Sokovia Accord. That could have been a much much more powerful motivator. And I can't stress this enough; how you have accurately pinpointed the lowest and highest points of these two movies. You have made the BvS writers look that bad in their job. I am subscribing.

[@FIFATALITYx]

Bruh the bvs you described actually sounds dope 😂😂

[@MKultraInstinct]

I’m a Marvel stan who would watch the shit out of that, I still enjoyed BVS for what it was 🤷‍♂️😂

[@obedulloa6219]

The animated film "Batman: The Dark Knight Returns" is a lot like what he described

[@fxlja]

What seals the deal for me is not only the MCU provided a good enough reason for the heroes to butt heads, but also a break time from each other to let the conflict's impact mature, and most importantly: good enough reason to reconcile. After Civil War, Steve and Tony went their separate ways, even impacted the majority of Infinity War's plot. Had they not fight and split the team in two, The Avengers would be at full roster to face Thanos. And by Endgame, they have a good reason to unite back: they lost. They need all hands on deck, personal feelings be damned. On the other hand, BvS had Martha

[@tomnook9270]

Apparently you didn't even understand the basic plot of BvS which lined out in details the motivation of the fight as well as the reconciliation Yeah save Martha bad keep on with that

[@atharvadeshpande6907]

@@tomnook9270 explain and elaborate further?

[@tomnook9270]

@@atharvadeshpande6907 Read any review on BVS about the Martha scene and you'll find out why. Apparently our Jason here failed to understand the entire plot and took the scene only as an awkward turning point where the sole reason for Batman and superman's reconciliation was their mums

[@atharvadeshpande6907]

​@@tomnook9270 Well, you shouldn't need a review to understand a plot. Plus, I have seen the analysis of that scene, which elaborates that it means that Batman realizes that Supes has a mum, so he starts to consider him human. But he could have just said, "You're letting them kill my mum" or something along those lines. However, this still doesn't solve the problems with the plot, the poor characterization of Lex Luthor, Jimmy Olsen, Louis Lane also Superman and Batman. I love Batman, but this movie sucked. Let's us DC fans just admit it, instead of defending its trash and encouraging the studio to not improve its mistakes.

[@tomnook9270]

@@atharvadeshpande6907 The plot was pretty obvious to me first sight and I was actually pretty surprised by the need of those reviews or analysis to understand it. Yes, I agree with you the plot would be clearer and easier to understand if superman said sth like "You're letting them kill my mum" but in the expense of the dramatic effect, plus superman was kryptonited badly at the point so it would be understandable that his brain wasn't functioning straight. So this part would largely be a matter of personal choice. As for the characters, they weren't top-tier again largely due to plot(e.g. people who don't get the Martha scene wouldn't get the senator character either) but I'm rather satisfied with the performances of the MCs. Also I think Jimmy Olsen wasn't even in the movie apart from the CIA agent pretending to be him at the start?

[@flower_girl4983]

Biggest difference: DC: shows typically stereotypes of men: men don't cry, men don't show emotions, men don't back down. Marvel: real men r complicated, they r soft on the is inside but hard on the outside.

[@peekol]

Wxactly, im a man andnthose stereotypes are absolutely incorrect

[@sertanki1472]

In otherwords marvle understands charecter depth. What a revolutionary concept

[@DivvayKhatri]

Lmao what the fuck Bruce was constantly in pain and you're too stupid to see it. He's suffering constantly through PTSD. Its the very reason why the martha moment works. Its pretty easy to understand why this movie got hate. Because no one paid attention

[@squidsdontdie]

@@DivvayKhatri no dude, that Martha moment doesn't work at all

[@DivvayKhatri]

@@squidsdontdie not for you. What you just said is completely irrelevant because you're not considering the amount of impact something can have on a guy with PTSD. A guy turned into a crazy killer. Just because you don't agree doesnt mean shit towards the meaning and significance of that moment. Just because this filmento god of hours is after Snyder (just like hi-top films) doesn't mean anything coming out of their mouth is true. Hell, these guys don't even try to understand what Snyder did in those movies.

[@sohanroy7833]

The clip you showed about Zack reasoning Bruce's killing criminals, it is exactly how Bruce thinks. Zack isn't trying to justify why Batman wasn't exactly killing, he is trying to tell us why Batman thinks he is not exactly killing(theres a difference). Batman in this movie is delusional and borderline psychopath, completely driven by rage.

[@GenericMedusa99]

no point explaining to filmento, he doesnt understand anything now hes too bz reading all the praise comments, there is alot of thinking in BVS between actions and feelings that led to batman into becoming this rogue vigilante whom now kills but filmento doesnt understand this, especially in the events of man of steel during the war between aliens according to batman whom cannot see superman as a human. Filmento really has no idea what hes talking about right now

[@eddiereekie2403]

Nah he would have just said that in the interview. He wasn't talking from Bruce's perspective he just realised he fucked up portraying Batman

[@icequeen52]

@@GenericMedusa99 That's extremely inaccurate. The entire point that Filmento is making is that everything you're describing happened off screen, so most audiences couldn't care about it. There is literally 12 movies worth of content before Civil War. Not all of them are focused on Cap or Iron Man, but a lot of them are. To sum up the reason why most audiences didn't like BvS and why most did like Civil War is because Marvel laid foundation, tons of it, before getting to where they were at that point. DC had one movie before that, Man Of Steel, which was a great movie, but that's not enough. BvS needed more foundation, not just more before it, but it needed to show more in the movie itself. Your point is 'There's more story there', and what Filmento, I and others are all saying is 'You're right, so show it to us.' There was some flaws with both movies, the Martha scene was absolutely terrible, but BvS would have worked if they gave us more substance to it

[@smallandstressed2364]

Yes, the Civil War fight between Cap and Tony was strong and emotional, *but* the fight between Nat and Clint in Endgame had me bawling.

[@dante97frame81]

Biiig DC fan here he is 100% correct! I personally enjoyed the battle between bucky, tony, and steve more than the big threes fight with doomsday, which to me, also shouldn't have happened especially so early..civil war was better

[@JackNapier-pl2hv]

This is great! One of the best rewrite pitches I've heard

[@matr1x.]

Marvel made us fall in love with a tree and a racoon... Dc couldn’t even make Superman enjoyable

[@siddharth_0771]

Lol didn't noticed!

[@siddharth_0771]

I can say it better. Marvel made us fall in love with a cloak

[@joaovictoramorim2013]

@@siddharth_0771 a magic puppy cloak sir

[@siddharth_0771]

@@joaovictoramorim2013 no I am talking about strange's cloak

[@chaficchbaro4599]

Well if your a marvel fanboy then yeah anything is possible

[@mandeepkumarray9050]

The avengers never understood Tony, not even cap. But in endgame he understands it

[@sithsaiyan4529]

What?

[@MorganLeodeMenezes]

What did you say I don't understand

[@UsernameGeri]

For a universe called *Detective Comics* , there's not much detective stuff in it.

[@hithere7626]

@@TStamp-lw4ku In the movie there isn't

[@TStamp-lw4ku]

Teh finest moosic but the company name comes from the comics

[@SonofSethoitae]

There is in the comics. The movies prefer the angsty my-parents-are-dead character stuff and the ninja gadget fighting to the detective stuff. For basically no reason, I might add; TAS did plenty of detective work-heavy episodes, and they were great.

[@chrislopez5301]

SonofSethoitae man u really dont know what angsty means lmao

[@chrislopez5301]

SonofSethoitae and is ur dumbass tryna say the comics dont dive in to batmans mind of his moral ambiguity and why he does what does bcuz of his dead parents if u dont shut ur dumbass up lol

[@PaceFilmsProductions]

The way I would describe the Airport fight vs the final fight is like in Princess Bride. Earlier in the film you have the greatest (on a technical) sword fight in history then at the end you have the most emotional sword fight.

[@SinisterDBoy]

What a good commentary and comparison. I think one of the biggest letdowns with BvS wasn't the villain but the lack of motivation and character growth for both Batman and Superman. The Winter Soldier built very reasonable motivations for the split and led to an inevitable confrontation. BvS had Superman just being himself and Batman angry but without fully fleshed out motivations. Imagine this scenario. Superman laments the destruction and loss of lives from his battle with Zod and begins a downward spiral of self-doubt. The public still praises him as a god-like figure but Superman doesn't feel he is worthy and his doubt causes him to avoid the public. He becomes less and less of a hero and tries to disappear for a while. Batman having seen the loss of thousands of lives in the conflict and also seeing previous captures released back into the public start to doubt whether true justice is being served. Batman could have a small expositional scene with Alfred where he states that he sees no victory in what he has done. Superman caused the loss of thousands of lives but is still perceived as a hero. Criminals just get released again to hurt the innocent. Batman comes to epiphany that he would rather kill the criminals and bear the burden of their blood on his hands than watch the innocent take their place. That is not a burden he can bare. With that insight Batman becomes a true terror which motivates him to rid the world of the criminal element through death and also to show the world that they worship a hypocritical 'god'. The increase in criminal deaths from a vigilante forces a cat and mouse game between Batman and Superman eventually forcing the penultimate battle between the two. After a long fought battle between them (obviously Batman has to use his Kryptonite powered suit) Wonderwoman shows up to to lay the smack down on the two weakened men and to knock some sense into their heads that they are both looking for justice but have lost their way. She has already seen the destruction of power hungry people (from the Wonderwomen movie and Ares) but understands that both are only wanting hope and justice for the innocent. This encounter allows a dialogue between the parties so they can realize that both Batman and Superman have failed and that they should not only use their abilities to help the innocent but also need to be symbols. This provides a weakness for Superman and Batman in that they have both have fallen prey to their darker innate natures and could be better as a team. These are just some character growth ideas that I think would have worked in the movie. I did not want to address the villain as I think BvS could have used another villain instead of Lex Luthor to allow them to work together to defeat them but ultimately showing that Lex Luthor was the mind behind the villain and there there is more to come in the DCEU. So much potential but so much wasted.

[@icequeen52]

This is an awesome idea, with the right execution, it would have worked amazingly. Wish this had have been the movie. Consider pursuing a career in script writing :)

[@sienkiewiczmonika1161]

Conclusion: MAKE IT PERSONAL.

[@jaison8263]

That's why endgame worked.

[@ratanasorn8080]

Because they know the audience loves the characters. So making it personal to the characters it’s personal to the audience.

[@justinc882]

Daredevil season 2 first half is what BvS wanted to be. The entire rooftop scene is what was missing from BvS.

[@kenny8712]

and then after the 4th episode season 2 becomes kinda bad

[@Wyattoons]

“Hey, Queens. Heads up.”

[@akramdinulakbar9924]

The only mistake in BvS is WB rushing the whole things.

[@rapolasra934]

yes. One of the reasons

[@romanoff8691]

And the iconic Martha plot

[@karaltar7914]

@@romanoff8691 it’s only iconic for how sh*t it was 🙃

[@badtiming2208]

I did like the BvS opening, which showed the events of MoS on Bruce Wayne and Gotham. I felt that was one hell of an introduction to potentially Batman's motivation against Superman. Too bad the rest of the movie failed to impress at all.

[@MrOgge50]

I know right? It has such a promising setup but all that kind of just falls apart later in the film

[@tristan702]

DCEU: We have Wonder Woman, Shazam, and Superman MCU: WE HAVE EVERYONE (And a Hulk)

[@3Rayfire]

Ironically until this Fox deal, they didn't have everyone.

[@hehehehe4204]

And yet dceu phase 1 made more money than MCU phase 1

[@diablotry5447]

No one wants to see a ridiculously overpowered character... Coughsupermancough

[@megumareta6361]

@@hehehehe4204 whats your point? If we want to talk about money. Then Marvel has grossed more money from the box office than DC

[@TrevorXStrydeR]

Shazam is a disaster. Wonder Woman is just another story of someone punching the NAZI. It's a story of someone beating a deadmeat. Superman? Ptff, sorry for not interested in godlike being. And that's include Son Goku.

[@sweezxo]

Marvel: gave us the fights we never knew we wanted and focused on amazing action to follow the plot... Dc: focused way too much on boring gloomy talking.. barely gave us a little fighting and a dumb plot device(martha).. Plus the actors were all old middle aged ppl and felt more about them than the actual superheros

[@MrALenCar321]

Warehouse scene was better then any marvel fight. DC is always dark and gloomy. The comics, games and the animated series we're dark.

[@sweezxo]

the comics are dark and entertaining... You're obviously a salty dc fan... I like dc over marvel too but when it comes to movies.. Dc is absolutely ass... Theres like 15% action in batman vs superman which all takes place the last 30 mins of a almost 3 hour movie smh.. Dark doesn't equal boring lmao

[@thecommie8891]

A little fighting? We have the knightmare scene the warehouse fight the doomsday fight the bvs fight the car chase

[@spectrickx1678]

Difference: one made me feel, the other did not.