Why Age of Ultron Worked and The Avengers Didn't | One v One

[@saltoftheegg]

“The city is flying. The city is flying, we’re fighting an army of angry robots, and I have a bow and arrow.” - My favourite line in the entire MCU

[@siddharthjajoria5305]

None of this makes sense

[@shindari]

Good summary of how a normal "dude", like Hawkeye very much is, would feel during such a monumental, sci-fi level event. Because I'm no good with arrows, or guns, I'd be hiding in a cellar, sucking my thumb, just waiting to die. Age of Ultron really helped establish how good of a character Clint Barton actually was in the bigger picture.

[@filthyneutral5801]

The way the line was delivered was perfect

[@therandomd2717]

Yeah

[@therandomd2717]

I love that line

[@victor_gators]

I read the title about 5 times because i thought i was reading it wrong lmao

[@nithinrocks6252]

I know right, why age of Ultron worked and avengers didn't, wtf

[@ErnestoRodriguez-ec8bw]

Haha same here

[@raizereaper4697]

Same

[@kooperkaney9454]

same

[@greglane501]

FR, me too. WTF?

[@TheRealChrisTDH]

Loki's motivation in "The Avengers" is that he's Luigi.

[@gretahsieh3338]

Greetings my fellow toad

[@Raccon_Detective.]

And Mario is Thor.

[@sephandremanticore5438]

Actually Mario is Stark. Dig the stache

[@gretahsieh3338]

@@sephandremanticore5438 it's. . .a-me. . . MARIO.

[@hanselfinn8946]

It's basicly luigi become Mr.L like in paper mario

[@Flasa]

15:34 I love how he always says “Malekith”, but then shows a picture of Ronan. Made me giggle. Never gets old

[@cheeseisjar3058]

Ah yes, malekith, everyone’s favorite villain-wait a second that’s not him

[@Peterski]

Yeah, a running joke. Only funny because it's true :-)

[@Flasa]

@@Peterski, indeed. Even though I am aware that this is a running joke (now more than at the time I first made the comment, as I've grown to consume more content of this channel), it still makes me giggle every time, hahaha.

[@Peterski]

@@Flasa same here :-)

[@jonsnow6631]

I'm only listening to this video while working. It made me Alt+Tab when he said that Malekith is one of the best MCU villains.

[@European-md3sf]

"and Malekith" **shows a Picture of Ronan** Got the joke man.

[@benderboyboy]

Took me like 10 seconds before I started laughing, cause I was so confused.

[@kkaaz6128]

@ its sarcasm how both ronan and malekith character is so forgetable that sometimes you neither forget them or thinking they are the same guy since their motivation literally same

[@ceilingfanenthusiast6041]

It's not even the first time he's done it lol

[@althealligator1467]

@@kkaaz6128 Sure but Ronan is purposefully a satire on one dimensional villains.

[@0g0dn0]

Could’ve been an accident, probably WAS intentional. I kind of liked Ronan, though. He could have been better performed, but I think the way the way he was written made him an excellent foil to Peter Quill. In Guardians 1, Quill is an overgrown manchild. He listens to the same playlist from when he was a kid, plays a badass ladies man and angles for a profit on a planet-burning macguffin. Ronan is kind of the same, but he’s more of an emo drama queen. From the moment he emerges from a pit of blood ranting about the death of his father and his father’s father, it’s clear that he’s not in touch with reality. He lives on a throne in what we now know from Captain Marvel is essentially his old bomber ship, taking orders from a space terrorist so he can burn a planet just because he’s been at war with it for so long he may not even know the original reason anymore. He’s not doing it to protect his world or any belief system, he’s looking for personal satisfaction. Quill was too, until he met the people who would become the Guardians and become the family he needed.

[@channelrob6927]

“Keep your friends rich, and your enemies rich, then wait you find out which is which.” -Tony/Ultron

[@solvemproblerstudios5889]

Tony said it first;)

[@CreosRealian]

@@solvemproblerstudios5889 when?

[@solvemproblerstudios5889]

CreosRealian Not in the actual films, it’s just that as soon as Ultron says it, Klaue says “Tony Stark used to say that... You ARE one of his” Ultron proceeds to rage quit on Klaue by cutting off his arm.

[@therandomd2717]

Technically tony but we only heard ultron say it

[@therandomd2717]

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[@rosestar1324]

Ultron: To protect life, I have to destroy life! Thanos: Good idea, buddy!

[@HuntKillJourney]

More like, Ultron: To protect life, i have to destroy life! Thanos: Whoa whoa whoa, you deranged psychopath. Half, half is better.

[@mohammedhamza4466]

@@HuntKillJourney now that's more like THANOS lol

[@Chrome.Seraph]

@@HuntKillJourney Half is only better till he learns that it didn't work. Then he's all for universal genocide to start over.

[@gyucho1245]

Thanos: Only just that I'm not just gonna destroy Earth, I'm gonna disintegrate half of the universe's population! Ultron: Gee, You're good.

[@babyccinoau1321]

rosestar1324 I’m beginning to sense a pattern here...

[@Rapscallion2871]

Finally, another person who believes Age of Ultron is underrated.

[@Master_Reven]

You should get better friends

[@SlappyRB]

i agree

[@dertysouthrasta]

Off Hawkeyes one line to scarlet witch its one of my favorite marvel movies haha

[@zyrilevangelista2903]

It is severely underrated

[@coachpallthingssportsmore8352]

I have been saying this for years and literally just talked to my brother about this, Ultron was demonized because people expected it and hyped it up to be something it isn’t which is not how you go into a movie. Too much anticipation, expectation, and investigation into what you think a movie is going to be before you watch will psychologically set you up to be disappointed which is what happened to a lot of people viewing Ultron. I have always thought this movie was discernibly better than Avengers but I could understand why people liked Avengers more even though I’m not one of those people. I digress this was another good video by Filmento.

[@thaiboypsp3000]

Age Of Ultron wasn't perfect by any mean, but god damn were people harsh on this movie.

[@fatezero8662]

Because it was just another avengers-saves-the world type of film again, the only difference is they made it more complicated and worse by making ultron weak, shoe horning a setup for infinity war, having a forgettable score and having too many unecessary quips.

[@86Fallowcp]

@@fatezero8662 "forgettable score" *Watches the final fight again* Sure thing, bud.

[@lags30]

@@fatezero8662 I feel all of what you said on endgame

[@noahreisner5199]

@@fatezero8662 Ultron wasn't weak, his whole thing set up thru the film is he's all about quantity over quality, that's set up very early in the film.

[@noahreisner5199]

@@fatezero8662 Shoehorning a setup was one scene and while I agree it's bad if a film is bad for u because one scene mad u sad ur kind of pathetic.

[@CatalinaLinal7710]

Dude, the visual improvement between these movies is *crazy*

[@russiankodiak6849]

Yes, I thought I was the only one who thought the visuals for Avengers 1 was equivalent to a low budget tv series

[@russiankodiak6849]

@@PikaCheeks I’m pretty sure it had to do with Josh’s way of lighting the movie probably

[@doxxi5319]

​@@russiankodiak6849an extra 145m budget and a hell of a lot more faith in the project is probably a bigger cause

[@P3PSI642]

@@russiankodiak6849 To me, in the first Avengers, the characters feel really saturated, especially compared to the latest movies, and more than it should be compared to the overall saturation of the environment. It's just... off

[@russiankodiak6849]

@@P3PSI642 Yeah that’s what I’m saying

[@BSJINTHEHOUSE420]

“Filmento, you just started a war!”

[@anderlillemaa4392]

a... civil war

[@campkira]

Don't matter you all still need to watch the whole thing it like star war.....

[@Jmgjgdjd5]

@@campkira worth it

[@mishalzee4659]

Stand down, final warning

[@WiloPolis03]

So that's it huh? We some kinda *s h r u g s* Captain America: Civil War?

[@neelpatel15]

Two things that go in Avengers 1’s favor are - 1. The freshness of the idea of bringing multiple superhero’s in one film - first mover advantage. 2. Lots of Iconic shots in Avengers 1. How many iconic shots can you remember off the top of your head from Age of Ultron - recall value once you leave the theatre is very high for avengers 1.

[@Exonorm27]

It also has a much clearer and more streamlined story. Age of Ultron also takes a long time to process. But yeah Age of Ultron > Avengers.

[@whitegradient5182]

@@Exonorm27 yeah man, avengers > avengers, although i've always been an avengers fan

[@Exonorm27]

@@whitegradient5182 lmao take a moment to reread what you just posted thanks for making me laugh I’ve been having a bad day 😁

[@eliavita]

That's because It Is the first time they united, i bet you don't remember much iconic shots from infinity war and endgame too

[@neelpatel15]

Infinity war - Thor entering the Wakanda battle. Thanos Snap Endgame - Natasha and Hawkeye fighting to die instead of the other, Cap with Mjolnir, Any scene with Fat Thor, the entire battle royale, she is not alone, captain Marvel enters the battle, Iron man snap.

[@fm-kx4jo]

The only reason age of ultron is better because captain america ripped a block of wood into 2

[@bubblegumpeach5662]

YES

[@whereDoCarrotsComeFrom]

And because fury asked Tony not to give life to a tractor

[@seanli8756]

Also he lifted mjolnir

[@user-ux1ll3tw9l]

@Marinebattleships 1 no shit

[@ahmet_10]

@@seanli8756 where?

[@_V.Va_]

If the sequel improved upon the original, then that means it's done its job.

[@randomusermaximuss]

This. I see a movie that built upon the first.

[@CuT7yFlaM]

@@randomusermaximuss And for good reason. I assume in Avengers the characters were kind of still a bit gimmicky together. They didn't really have great purpose. I don't want to say they were not "fleshed out" because like in the video, they were, but in their solo movies. Gathering this much characters was already a big thing, so they kept things safe I assume, comedic action that ends well. Now that they knew what their were doing and what worked or not, they had a more narrow path to play with and that already is where their creative process has made things way better, just what the video explained.

[@JoJo-lj6kk]

@@CuT7yFlaM Avengers 2012 was great because it made a story that worked well with the characters. It had a fairly straight forward plot, so it wasn't easy to mess anything up. The only reason why you see them gimmicky is because the avengers in the comics is like a C/ B tier team. The A tier team was the xmen, but they didn't have the rights so they tried to make the avengers as cool as possible in the year 2012.

[@nathanslay6342]

Which Age of Ultron didn’t do

[@Talen1976]

Great point.

[@wm2429]

It’s an unpopular opinion, but I’m glad you presented it

[@johnathonhaney8291]

It's an unpopular opinion I happen to share. Ultron always struck me as the perfect AI psychopath, cold logic paired with no self-control.

[@guricane]

Will Mehle I fell asleep during the avengers

[@DrewLSsix]

Johnathon Haney Except he wasn’t cold or logical, he was emotional and irrational.

[@fadedjem]

​@@johnathonhaney8291 This video has left me very keen on the idea of an Ultron return. His fundamental motivation is pretty awesome and not at all as others have said cliched. He doesn't hate humanity because he thinks himself superior, he doesn't fear humanity pulling the plug, he doesn't hate humans for creating or trying to enslave him. He has an obsession with evolution. That's cool. If you keep three lines as fundamental to Ultron going forward "How is humanity saved if it's not allowed to evolve", "The human race will have every opportunity to improve", and "They're doomed" - then you have a character with a very unique and thought provoking perspective on the world and the future. When we imagine a human race that survives into the space age and exists thousands or millions of years into the future, we imagine them as anatomically modern humans. The entire natural order is based around life changing to fill new niches, adapt to environmental changes, and those forms of life no longer appropriate to the environment - well, as Ultron puts it: "Ask Noah". Ultron can and should make us think about whether our determination to preserve our species and our world exactly as it is, is necessarily a virtue. Ultron in AoU fits the tone of the film and of Whedon's work. He's melodramatic and comedic, he's driven by irrational emotion, insecurity and rage. His specific plan in this film - a meteor strike to force human evolution and encourage a move towards an organic/synthetic synthesis - need not be carried over, nor his temperament. Ultron was pretty well destroyed, but as software it's very believable that he could return and have an easily justified personality shift to match whatever tone is appropriate depending on the placement in the MCU, which hero(es) are facing him, and who is directing. If he moved on to a new, more evolved plan - perhaps a more subtle one, perhaps one which doesn't involve immediate eradication of large numbers of humans or the threat of human extinction, but simply tries to remove superpowered forces coddling the human race and holding it back from achieving its potential, they could really reinforce the evolution obsession as a unique and distinct motivation, and make him a more compelling villain who still feels consistent with his first incarnation. I'd written Ultron off as a character, but the more I think about it the more I'd like to see him come back. Hell, does he even need to be physically incarnated? An effective Ultron return could spend easily half a film with the identity of the villain unknown, as he sets plans in motion from within a computer or the internet, much like Zola in Winter Soldier - hearing that god damn awesome voice for the first time could be a truly awesome moment, because I don't think anyone would deny that James Spader did a fantastic job whatever you think of the material he was given.

[@Captianmex1C0]

@@johnathonhaney8291 See I want to Agree but Ultron Seemed extremely Emotional and Poetic. If they just gave his personality to Vision and allowed Ultron to make the same actions but without the Humor and personal Grudges then it would be a perfect Unique Villian

[@theseel2718]

"With a very comedic, light-hearted villan." Meanwhile in What if... *Ultron cuts thanos in half*

[@macaemeia146]

Bruh

[@frenchboi6826]

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be

[@theirongiants]

That's very family friendly. I cut my siblings in half everyday.

[@nikhiljajatinanda1066]

​@@theirongiants You're an "Ultron" in real life than 😁🤣

[@nikhiljajatinanda1066]

" Ultron" the favorite dialogue ♥ for me the thing doesn't kill it just make you stronger 💪 really underrated flick of MCU. Now a days God bless 🙌 phase 5 & 6 how 🤔 boring 😴 shit they've prepared for us

[@rars0n]

I'm not saying you changed my mind, but you did present a damn good argument. I'll have to go back and watch both films again to reconsider.

[@absolutesubzerotv8456]

So...after watching it which is better.... avengers or age of Ultron???

[@shreyashshrestha6085]

Still no answer?? Which one is better?

[@rars0n]

@@shreyashshrestha6085 Age of Ultron definitely has its moments but overall I still enjoy Avengers a bit more.

[@UTU49]

@@rars0n Obviously it's subjective, but Age of Ultron just didn't feel as cohesive to me. It felt like an X-Men movie, not bad, but just a decent movie about a group of heroes. Avengers 2012 on the other hand came to life for me as a movie about PEOPLE who just happen to have superpowers and an alien invasion to face. The relationships among the characters felt vital and interesting and dynamic.

[@rars0n]

@@UTU49 Yeah, I agree, Age of Ultron felt less cohesive and a bit more generic. I liked the character of Ultron but it was clear that he was serving a fairly basic antagonist role and would ultimately be defeated because Avengers. Whereas the Avengers movie did a good job of bringing the characters together and growing them into a team. That's what I really admire about Marvel, they don't just introduce characters and throw them into things, they develop them into individual personalities and then give those personalities opportunities to both clash and grow. Again, don't get me wrong, I liked Age of Ultron quite a bit, a lot more than I would have expected after listening to some other people talk about it. I thought it was a really good movie. But it didn't surpass or even match Avengers. People often complain about the generic Marvel villain and there's legitimate criticism to be made, but I think what gets overlooked too often is that what makes the movies work so well is not the villains themselves but the characters and how they change along the way. When you can make that element of the story work effectively, you don't really need a super interesting villain, even if we all do really want one. While I believe this was said about the Ultron character in reviews as a negative, that he was another generic Marvel villain, I both agree and disagree. The voice acting was well done, James Spader did a convincing job, and the character was written funny enough to be legitimately entertaining. I really liked the personality of the Ultron character, that's something we don't often get in an antagonist. If only he had a bit more depth to his character I think the movie would have been even more interesting. Now compare Ultron's personality to Steppenwolf's personality. It's non-existent. So yeah, I like Avengers a lot better but I still like Age of Ultron despite it's flaws, and I think it's better than it gets credit for.

[@gamingjoker17]

My one problem with Age of Ultron was that Ultron wasn't powerful enough. Other than that, it was pretty good Also: James Spader as Ultron was perfect casting imo

[@taragnor]

Yeah that's the main thing that made Age of Ultron a lot worse than it could have been. Pretty much I felt like the movie was over the moment Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver switched sides. They were really Ultron's big power players, and Ultron himself was a pushover. I mean Captain America holds his own against Ultron. They needed to establish him as a badass, instead he comes off as more of a manipulator who gets stronger characters like SW and QS to do his work for him. I mean, why they gave him a never ending string of super weak bots is just stupid. He really needed to be using all of Ironman's suits against the team, something like the Hulkbuster that we already saw was a credible threat.

[@sonnic1995]

When i saw the teaser for AOU, ultron helmet i got hyped, when we got the "legendary" audios, since no one was able to record the preview trailer on comic con, i got super excited with ultron's voice as it sounded robot but menacing... then in the movie he just talks, that was a big let down, it didn't even sound as Spader to me, in some parts i was like "is that RDjr's voice?" Also i don't think it was ultron been weak the "fail" i think it was more the fact that all the avengers had their plot armor on both 1 and 2 films, no one was ever going to die or even felt threatened, and when one died we all were like "oh yeah, just because he wasn't of the main team" (Quick silver) the 2nd movie doesn't feel like anything is happening, not saying someone had to die, but there was no threat, when it ends i was just like "yup they just overcomed another villain and that was it"

[@bravediomedes217]

sonnic1995 I thought the same thing. It sounded like Spader was doing an RDJ impression. Which does actually make sense for the movie, since Ultron’s personality comes from Tony.

[@mr.m2659]

Yeah he really brought the awkwardly insane killer AI vibe to ultron

[@commonsense9343]

Yes, ultron should havd been more menacing like whats was shown in the trailers.. but i think they reserved the big bad powerful for thanos

[@ReaLifeHDchannel]

I would describe this as "Where Age of Ultron Worked and The Avengers Didn't", not "Why."

[@eduardoserpa1682]

100% agreed, Avengers did work.

[@Vektorien545]

Yeah but absolutes are what get you clicks.

[@prateembiswas2794]

I'd one you up, Who age of Ultron worked and avengers didn't

[@SalumarLP]

@@Vektorien545 Only a Sith deals in absolutes!

[@MoLetalis]

@@Vektorien545 Do you really think Filmento is the type of KZbinr that cares about clicks? XD

[@mopedmessiah]

I liked that "Good talk" joke, its one of the few times Tony actually jokes with the villains and RDJs delivery was on point

[@playmaker.3596]

also makes sense, Tony is arrogant so making fun of them is in character.

[@BLACULA-Skeewoah]

Few? Tony always jokes with villains

[@CorelUser]

it's the henchman's "No it wasn't" that doesn't fit

[@mopedmessiah]

@@CorelUser tbh yeah it doesnt fit but it was still funny

[@jdpragmatic8644]

I *LOVED* Ultron in this movie, James Spader just nailed it and stole every moment he had the camera’s focus

[@aliquidgaming1068]

@ANTHONY THOMAS yes. Ultron in this film wasn't ultron. He was dumbed down. Also it is called Age of Ultron but he is deafeted in like a weekend

[@MartinJHenebury]

Only his first and last appearances when he was actually dark instead of joking

[@AIIXIII0]

@@aliquidgaming1068 aren't everyone in the MCU dumbed down? And did you hoped Ultron had a 2 part movie like Thanos?

[@aliquidgaming1068]

@@AIIXIII0 most are. Yet Wanda is now reaching house of m powers. Cap and iron man built up to who they should be. Thor it seems is being set up to become God King Thor. Most of them come close to their Ultimate universe counter parts since that universe inspired the mcu the most. Also spoilers for wandavision if you arent caught up.... They have teased ultron and the grim reaper may be the two villains behind the scenes. Ultron was hinted at still being a consciousness inside vision in Endgame by Bruce Banner. Ultron was brought up by name in wandavision. Visions dead body was being worked on by sword and they could bring ultron back. This whole phase is bringing back characters from the past mcu phases. Sharon Carter is coming back. Vemmo is coming back. Sword was teased in phase 2 and 3 and finally is here. Ultron also doesn't die in the comics. In many universes he becomes so smart he figures out how magic works on a scientific level. He even scares off celestial beings like galactus from even wanting to attack earth once ultron is at his peak. He is ever evolving and learning. Id wager he is still alive and hopefully will evolve into what he should be. A being that is unpredictable because he is so many steps ahead and a machine noone can relate to

[@AIIXIII0]

@@aliquidgaming1068 I was just reading the other comments and honestly, I'm not that familiar with Ultron. I figured, they shouldn't killed Ultron that early (I assumed he's gone until you mentioned Wandavision.) I didn't make that connection with Wandavision though. With the input I got from you and the others, I kinda want an Ultron comeback or I'm just gonna be disappointed if the character is gone. I'm just gonna pretend that AOU is infant Ultron and weak then waits for Thanos-level Ultron. Wait, how's Veemo?

[@slabpanda]

I’m sorry but “good talk” “no it wasn’t” is one of my favorite one liners in the entire series

[@Panquernic]

Same

[@noahh6186]

Gets me every time, along with Clint's "none of this makes sense" line

[@Harry-bs1qg]

I genuinely laughed when i heard that line...

[@katieboler5806]

Mine is “Tony Stark built it in a cave! With a box of scraps!”

[@tdv10]

this guy stands for what he thinks is right? and he thinks that age of ultron and rdj's sherlock holmes are good? man u got my sub

[@theliamandjustinshow5293]

Exactly amazing opinions all around

[@Kenfren]

Wait, there are people who don't like rdj's holmes?

[@seanc9520]

It's more like the first one could be enjoyed more in cinemas but the second one holds up better with re-views. His opinions are not wrong but the box-office figures proves the first one is better at mindless entertainment

[@stevenwilt4450]

aw yeah because controversial hot takes definitely don't garner clicks and attention, that's for sure.

[@neilangelomolleda7283]

Discombobulate

[@leyenda6149]

One of the biggest problems with Ultron was the character design of his dynamic mouth & "lips". Kinda like the masked Dafoe in Spider-Man 1, the emoting would have been more menacing behind a static face., as Ultron appears in the comics.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

but he wasn't trying to be ultra menacing in the trailers, just funny and comedic villain overall so that's not much of a problem but a huge character direction change.

[@KCMrecordings]

You're right. Plus the CG at the time (even today) doesnt really work for a robot to have lips and a face with surfaces that move like organic muscles and skin. It makes it look like wonky cgi

[@ethanweimer-kopf6907]

@@Gadget-Walkmen have you SEEN the trailers? It promises a SUPER dark movie like The Batman. A SUPER dark villain. Compare that to what we got.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@ethanweimer-kopf6907 I know. I’m not denying that but he was still over charismatic dark in the film in his own way.

[@RTU130]

yea

[@Ari33sa]

haha while I didn't think it was better, I always thought Age of Ultron was criminally underrated. You're right...it may actually be better :o

[@bobtwichew3103]

Both good movies

[@kdizzle901]

I like the avengers better but age of Ultron is definitely underrated

[@josueproductions5007]

I think age of Ultron is better

[@Rdjevelyn]

same ultron is good but messed up in a few places i honestly think ultron should come back with tony gone it would be harder to fight him

[@johnmunoz-crabb8393]

I was the exact same way. Now I'll have to re-watch both (not that I'm complaining) and re-evaluate my opinions.

[@Elnont]

I love the introduction of Vision - even the way he’s filmed just frames him as so Ethereal.

[@BLACULA-Skeewoah]

The music when he comes to life is a sensational piece of music

[@rhiannongreen2642]

I wish he'd had more appearances between AoU and Infinity war, I barely cared about his sacrifice the first time but after Wandadevastating

[@ThatGuy-lj4ws]

I feel like age of ultron is pretty underrated. I really like it's connection to the movies like endgame and infinity cuz looking back Tony's ideas were pretty accurate

[@bluefiremarkii]

I think the reason people THINK the movie sucks is because they want a dark uber cool ultron and he was instead an evil tony stark personality. Because of that they just immediately feel the movie is bad, judging it based on what they wanted and not on the quality of the movie itself. If you accept ultron for how he is written, he is a good villain. Then you see the rest of the good quality scenes coming from the film.

[@trevorthornley8835]

Ultron isn't the only problem with the movie: Bad pacing Riddled with jokes and exposition which takes away from character development A WASTED villain that doesn't do anything to challenge the avengers A giant commercial for phase 3 An uncomfortable romance And Pointless scenes and characters This all takes away from character drama that could be there and we only get a couple of moments. The movie is Ultimately a boring, bloated, unfocused mess. Such a missed opportunity.

[@bluefiremarkii]

@@trevorthornley8835 yet i can counter with saying it has serious moments too, it has big character development and arcs, and has some of the Best scenes in the entire MCU. I do agree that landing on Natasha's breasts is a bit much, but the love between the two is completely fine. Ane the story is not convoluted and is followed quite easily actually. Is it the best movie? No, but it deserves less hate than its given

[@vicsantoro]

Nah, this movie sucks

[@trevorthornley8835]

@@bluefiremarkii it doesn't have a story. There are good character moments unfortunately most of those don't go anywhere. The only good characters in this are vision, Scarlet witch, and Hawkeye. Everyone else was basically Tony Stark.

[@bluefiremarkii]

@@trevorthornley8835 it does have a story, which revolves around the guilt from iron man, and the manipulation of him, allowing him to create ultron. From there, the story mainly focuses on following Ultron, trying to take him down, find out what he is up to. It'd be like saying that the Avengers didn't have a story because they just got together captured loki and fought an army. A story is any sort of written fiction. Because there is a script and a plan in mind, There is a story. The only debatable thing is story quality.

[@asilva4956]

I always loved Ultron on this movie. He's so damn funny. He's like a baby version of Tony but kind of the opposite at the same time.

[@p3chv0gel22]

Ultron as a hybrid of tonis "don't-give-a-shit" facade frim the first iron man movies and cap would have been great and i think they tried it, but instead of a cocky Tony, we got a goofball, which made him less satisfying as a character imo

[@Qball__]

“Stark is..hes a sickness!”

[@cylondorado4582]

The fact that he was well acted made me expect more from him though. I felt like he didn’t really do anything that impressive. I remember thinking “Now he’s going to pull out his REAL trump card” when they stop him from pushing the button and he’s still smug for a second. Then they abruptly obliterate him mid sentence.

[@ryanschmidt58]

That’s why I don’t like him, Ultron is a logically driven character but yet he cracks jokes every 5 seconds showing he clearly has emotion, which he obviously does but Ultron isn’t supposed to be okay with that. In the comics it’s not as obvious that he’s actually emotionally driven. And I absolutely hate how they took a character who has literally killed the avengers in multiple continuities and turned him into a Tony stark clone

[@maxim196]

@@ryanschmidt58 also If he didnt have any emotion he wouldnt cut klaw's arm out of rage

[@bryttonica6286]

Honestly, for the longest time I thought something about the first avengers movie looked aesthetically boring, and I could never put my finger on it. Until you posted this. Great video!

[@SalumarLP]

Same, it also really bothered me because the first Avengers movie looked more like Agents of Shield than a proper MCU movie. Netflix' Daredevil doesn't have this issue and it's 'just' a TV show.

[@mishalzee4659]

I always thought it was the aspect ratio.

[@Jojo-oi5vi]

That is stupid, age ofnultron bored me and some stupid lighting males the cgi so dawn awful, cgi in acengers 1 was better and not even close to agent of shield.

[@ccricers]

Agent of SHIELD looked like the first Avengers in its first season, but there were definite improvements in tone mapping and lighting from season 2 onwards.

[@АртурАртуров-ф4ю]

Ultron wasn't exactly high cinema either. Half of the movie had this brown ugly filter that was so prevalent in the games in late 00's. But the camera work was more interesting, I'll give it that.

[@Thorozak]

Each time I saw the “WOOPS landed on your boobs” gag in the Justice League and Ultron movies I immediately thought “is someone watching anime thinking yeah that’s funny and a great idea to put here”

[@JoaoGabriel-et4kq]

And I love that

[@miceatah9359]

wasnt that bad in age of ultron widows line was actually funny JL was cringe af tho

[@1872patty]

He really got in there

[@JaydevRaol]

😆

[@yummychips_]

@@miceatah9359 Yep. Age of Ultron It came out of nowhere while in an sudden intense scene. It was a small break from the action that is thrown on screen. Hulk is a nervous guy, widow is a trained assassin. Their characters actions fit. They had budding chemistry, and the rest of the film expanded on that subplot. It felt sincere and organic. It was a hijinx that didn't feel like it pandered to a specific audience. It was just a thing that happened. Hulk apologized, and widow was more concerned on him hulking out because of the stressful situation. Justice League Also came out of nowhere. However flash and WW had practically no interactions besides in group settings. Flash came off as a horny teen in prior dialogue, WW never came off as a girl next door. The awkward silence after it happened just made it weird. Flash looked like he was guilty like a horny teen, WW went silent like she was ashamed. It didn't fit their characters. Flash should have apologized quickly and concernly, while WW would disregard it because strong woman wouldn't be embarrased by accidents. They difference is the resolution of the scene. Age of Ultron addressed it quickly like a minor thing, but it had much more depth later on. Justice League felt forced, unnecessary, and didn't resolve it. Justice League basicaly pandered to a cliche trope in a cliche way, while Age of Ultron pandered to it in a subversive way. That is why one was funny and the other was cringe as shit.

[@noobfolife1206]

Age of Ultron felt a bit more grounded than any other avengers movie IMO. People always look at me with such surprise when I tell them that age of Ultron is my favourite avengers movie

[@johnstrawb3521]

It's a close third. IW, Civil War, then Ultron. But I only really appreciated Ultron on rewatch.

[@JBoxy7]

I think that's because Ultron is the only avengers villain not from space. That's why I feel thor doesnt have much to do in this movie besides setup other movies like ragnarok and infinity war.

[@nikhiljajatinanda1066]

My favorite Avengers flick too 😍

[@zachperry9960]

Grounded, they lifted the whole city in the air can’t get any more non grounded than that lol 😂😂😂

[@JJnEverything]

I legit thought this was my own comment from the pfp

[@svisuals4932]

*_Avengers Age of Ultron_*_ is way more important than you thought_ *-ScreenRant,CBR,Looper, WatchMojo,WhatCulture*

[@nate2826]

I laughed hard at this one

[@user-vk3uz3ml6t]

The Holy Pentalogy of generic corporate KZbin channels that talk about pop culture

[@possessorofgreatness7620]

Yes because it made it clear that whedon shouldn't direct future MCU movies.

[@zhee1236]

I mean They Are Kinda Correct Like For Example:Civil War wouldn't Have Happended and Vision Would Still Be Jarvis

[@ministick4468]

Would love to listen to what you say but not watch a watch mojo video

[@michaelshepherd8545]

I'm not alone in the world. I always thought Age of Ultron was flawed, but far more interesting, while Avengers was well rounded, but safe and bland.

[@ProjectSudoku]

You just summed up my feelings on both movies spectacularly.

[@crocodiledundee8685]

I agree with your assessment but my biggest problem with Age of Ultron was Ultron. He lost every fight he got into with the Avengers unlike Thanos which meant there wasn’t a lot of tension.

[@jacobberry6267]

the avengers had to play it safe as if it fucked up the mcu wouldnt even still exist i get ur point though

[@matthewhanna6018]

It wasn’t that it was safe it just was the first team up movie, an experiment with millions of dollars, it was a risk that, if failed would have made the mcu never happen.

[@stevenlawson2431]

Same

[@truth5121]

2:36 I just heard the guy in the back say “no it wasn’t” after he said it was a good talk 😂😂

[@talimpalomino9589]

For the first time?

[@Samtagri]

I watched age of Ultron at least 5 times by now. I only watched the avengers once. The last dialogue between Vision and Ultron is unforgettable.

[@lRub3l]

I actually have to watch it again, for some reason I actually didn't like it, but I was young, I should give it a watch because even though I didn't like it, I DO remember this last dialogue pretty accurately

[@nikhiljajatinanda1066]

The last dialogue with Vision is really unforgettable 👌 James Spader delivered excellent voice work, me too watched 👀 it 5 times ⏲ brother ❤

[@dr5911]

I'll do you one better, why is Ultron?

[@jaylemiere7283]

d r ill do u one beyond better why is avengers

[@solarianv3]

Bere18 Random yea he does need a therapist

[@cheesecakelasagna]

How is Ultron?

[@helenomstreken7577]

Ha! You quoted that one movie. Good stuff.

[@therandomd2717]

Haha

[@waterlegend72]

Cant wait for the Filmento review of Endgame

[@diagonxx1866]

waterlegend72 me too

[@Rations282]

saaaaaame

[@ender2034]

What do you guys think? I prefered Infinity war, but endgame is still great

[@LittleMopeHead]

@@ender2034 Same. Infinity War was a more solid movie, but Endgame ended really well for the decade of films.

[@SuperCompany007]

@@ender2034 I think Endgame was better. Casual viewers will probably prefer Infinity War just because Endgame focuses so much on character developement and finishing off the stories that are ending.

[@KYCDK]

i didn't realise people disliked age of ultron, i fricking love that movie

[@mrnoble8964]

Same

[@nome9752]

yeah i tought the entire fanchise was universaly praised, saw some hate for endgame in the internet too

[@owyemen9367]

@@nome9752 I mean I dont like endgame either

[@raidenstark315]

Watch avengers EMH a better version of ultron

[@Aryan-ck9lv]

@@nome9752 There are a few ppl that genuinely don’t like it, and then there’s edgy kids who hate everything mainstream

[@landoncox875]

I still get chills every time Wanda comes out of that door and rips all those robots to pieces

[@Lunacorva]

Here's why the second film felt like such a letdown: Hype. Everyone enjoyed the first movie so much that people were either: Expecting this movie to flop. So confirmation bias had them hyperfocusing on the tiniest flaws. Expecting the greatest movie of all time. Which meant nothing short of free oral sex for all movie goers, a private island and a trillion dollars would satisfy them.

[@faz6877]

Every Avengers + Civil War was hyped just as much. I think the film felt like a let down because people were expecting a great film or experience and they got an average / good film. It's not like the masses were bagging on it like with BvS or anything. But not praising it as a great film, which is pretty fair.

[@ShadyDoorags]

Whenever someone says this, I feel like they forget that literally every Avengers movie was hyped as all get out and the only disappointed ones were Age of Ultron and Endgame. The first Avegers movie broke so many people's expectations and expectations were as high as they could possibly be. Age of Ultron is an inbetween movie. There's a lot of focus on elements that don't partain to the movie itself, but rather set up upcoming events, specifically Civil War, Black Panther and Infinity War. These types of movies rarely ever work on their own. They need the before and after movies to feel like they belong. At the time of its release, Age of Ultron had no after movie, so it felt clunky.

[@brandonpatterson7570]

@@ShadyDoorags except Endgame wasn't considered disappointing at all by the vast majority.

[@alis6581]

@@ShadyDoorags who said endgame was disappointing?

[@roguescorner9042]

@@ShadyDoorags Who considers Endgame a disappointment? I've heard nothing but very well deserved praise for that movie. Also, set-up movies are necessary if you're making a cinematic universe. If you don't have these movies, then you'll have a bunch of characters, concepts and conflicts that just seem to appear out of nowhere.

[@gplgs4640]

Age of Ultron is criminally underrated

[@Nemenis]

It got billion dollars and it got so many child fans that’s supporting their cringy quips and jokes. What do you mean underrated? It’s justice league with 1000x better cgi Lmfaooo

[@gplgs4640]

Nemenis Now I was only a little kid that called Loki “The green dude” when I first saw it, that’s still the only time I’ve seen it to this day, so I may be wrong, but I never really saw as much talk about AoU as I did the other Avengers movies.

[@ordhinv.hohenheim5009]

Because MCU Ultron don't get much time. They kill potential complex villains.

[@upon1326]

It's actually the worst mcu flim

[@gplgs4640]

@@upon1326 The first two Thor movies would like to have a word with you

[@kurimsonkitsune4408]

Just realized that I haven't known what loki's motivation was for taking over the earth for 7 years straight. That's a yikes.

[@jamesmallone]

I was asking that question year 1. Never got an actual answer.

[@sotypme4813]

Maybe I'm mistaken, but from watching the first Thor movie and flowing into the first Avengers, Loki just wants what Thor has. That includes Earth. And Thanos seems to be handing it to him on a silver platter.

[@_theFeltes]

@@sotypme4813 Loki wants to rule, where? Earth. why? Thor loves earth, it is deeply related to Asgard and Odin and... his girlfriend and friends live there. Why loki is invading with the help of thanos? tesseract (space stone) is on earth, loki wants earth, so, yeah. the "why loki is invading" is pretty obvious if you watched the first thor movie. the only question i had after thinking about this is why odin chose earth. so, apparently, odin chose the only habitable planet within his realm where the people had forgotten about Asgard and things related to it, so, you know, he couldn't be recognized and had to learn to be humble and worthy without his powers and fame.

[@darthdragonborn1552]

Augusto Feltes Thank you. I don’t know how that wasn’t obvious lol wtf

[@sigrid.koppel]

You are all so wrong it's sad to read these replies. Please go and rewatch the Avengers! It is implied that Thanos has tortured Loki and will torture him more if Loki doesn't bring him the tesseract. That's why Loki attacks Earth. Bruce Banner confirms that in Infinity War: "Thanos sent Loki. The attack on New York- that's him." Thanos had tortured Loki before so Loki knew what he's capable of. And in fear of being tortured even more, he does what Thanos wants from him and goes after the tesseract. He never wanted the Earth for himself. He doesn't care about Earth. If anything he wants Asgard, but from the first Thor movie we know that what he really wanted was his father's approval and to be equal with Thor.

[@kingnothing2161]

I miss serious/stoic Thor... making him goofy like EVERYONE else (or more than depending on the movie) was such a huge mistake.

[@TY-km8hj]

The exact reason why I don't like ragnorok and didn't go to see thor 4 in cinema, he just feels butchered

[@tobsonasanya4765]

@@TY-km8hj ragnarok was god though

[@planescaped]

That's a problem with Marvel movies in general. A lot of the characters feel samey as hell now, and the tone between movies is very similar.

[@bottomlefto]

sardonic humor was stark's shtick. making thor more receptive to humor as he enjoys life more wasn't a bad call as him being perpetually tormented with his losses, and he did lose a lot, hampers his growth. the problem is that they apply that same humor to everyone without the justification that stark and thor had.

[@FeartheKlown]

Agreed. Stoic Thor was a much better character. Giving him some humor is fine, but they made it so over the top it was unbelievable. The tone, music, coloration, all of Ragnarok was blatantly ripping off the success of Guardians of the Galaxy. To me Thor lost his identity at that point.

[@bctalicorn809]

I find Age of Ultron as a whole to be much more entertaining, philosophical, and interestingly shot than Avengers. However, I find the third act of Avengers to be substantially more thought out and fun than Age of Ultron. So in my eyes, they're about equal, but I wouldn't hesitate for a second in saying that Age of Ultron is a better film.

[@alexanderkentopp3070]

The third act of Ultron is really what kills it for me. I was so bored I had to check how long we still had, because we had just gotten to Sokovia. There was still AN HOUR. I had to stop then and there lol

[@asadaduf]

I like Age of Ultron as well. But first Avengers movie is kinda special for me. When i was a child, i had no idea about all those super hero teams like Justice League/Avengers/Teen Titans/Guardians of the Galaxy etc. etc. But i always imagined how would it be if Batman and Spiderman (I also didn't knew they were in different universes DC and Marvel) worked together fighting crime and all. So when i first saw The Avengers, i was completely blown away. And even after all these years i still remember my excitement, so Avengers 2012 is my choice among those two.

[@roguescorner9042]

Both are great, that's it.

[@misternobody2730]

Age of Ultron really isn't superior tho

[@itsgonnabeokay9341]

@@alexanderkentopp3070 ADHD

[@whousesanat]

Even though your points are convincing, the main problem with Ultron that most people have is that the execution is poor, whereas Avengers is simplistic enough to be engaging.

[@omarcomming722]

How was the execution poor? Aside from the shoehorned-in Infinity War setup, everything was perfectly adequate

[@misaeltoral508]

Omar' Commin The characters act as if Age of Ultron was a direct sequel to the first Avengers movie. It blatantly ignores all the character development from the previous solo films. Specially regarding Captain America

[@probot6515]

@@misaeltoral508 how so?

[@Nikk-Astyr]

@@misaeltoral508 Nah, it actually references his distrust of authority developed in Winter Soldier, although not in a great level

[@Jmgjgdjd5]

@@misaeltoral508 well, Thor didn't really develope in TDW

[@connordavidson1158]

Me after years of saying avengers 1 is better, then watches this video: “oh my god, he’s right”

[@NoahNCopeland]

shouldn't the films convince us themselves?

[@connordavidson1158]

@@NoahNCopeland very true, very true, but there was also the effect of clouded judgement for me, it being their first real team up and all, and watching this video helped me form an actual opinion on it instead of not thinking about it too much

[@adrianbundy3249]

@@NoahNCopeland Marketing and first ideas set impressions that go well beyond what the movie by itself will do for most people. Seeing trailers, etc, expecting one thing. If you wanted the one thing in your mind, but you get something else... Even if that something else, set aside in altverse would make you happy without those prepackaged notions, will often lead to disappointment. This is just one way that sometimes, biases and the like, can effect how the movies shape themselves in our mind, beyond just having the movie convince us. I think everyone though, can admit that the marketing did fail this movie. Especially with the reality of what it was.

[@luisrods]

@@NoahNCopeland You got a point, and I suspect that is because @Filmento has stated in this video what aspects are better in Age of Ultron than The Avengers, from a film-crafting standpoint, BUT, he hasn't mentioned why Age of Ultron failed to like most of the audience as The Avengers did. That would be a good topic for another video.

[@paveantelic7876]

avengers 1 is soo overrated

[@DrewsterRooster37]

I liked age of Ultron, my biggest issues I had with it though is the low budget for a movie with my favorite Marvel villain, as well as the fact that it was a week, not an age. I'm just disappointed what they did to Ultron, making him seem more like a minor inconvenience, which why I particularly love what they did in what if. It shows the apocalyptic threat that he had the potential to be.

[@rinnesasori5602]

Low Budget? It has The Highest MCU Movie Budget

[@Coconut_Prrson]

Tf you mean Low Budget?

[@theprojectofgamers]

You do know that AOU has the largest budget in the MCU (not even Endgame surpassed it) and is the 2nd most expensive movie of all time.

[@GTL5427]

"With an estimated net production budget of $365 million, the film is the second most expensive film ever made."

[@planescaped]

I think the phrase they meant was "low scope"

[@L6901Malice]

Wow I learned more about lighting in 10 minutes than the whole rest of my life

[@yasminelucman4827]

Ive always thought why the avengers felt so strange to watch. Was so happy to figure out why. The lighting!

[@bemlok]

@@yasminelucman4827 I agree. Looks like a regular tv show.

[@splendidwolf442]

Looks like one of those crime dramas on TV with a generic title like “FBI: Most Wanted” and mediocre acting with a stupidly unrealistic plot.

[@matijasostojic4288]

I haven't watched the Avengers in a long time but wow is it noticable when someone is talking about it. Like im not the type of person who cares too much about the CG or lightning but it is really noticable right now. It does look like a TV movie.

[@cdsantosful]

15:34 “Ultron is One of the best MCU villains right behind Thanos and, of course, Malekith” 🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂

[@gagemyers8811]

This whole video is stupid as hell lmao

[@miceatah9359]

lul edgiest video on the internet rn

[@JC_Cali]

That's where I had to do a double take... like who?? Him?? ... but why? 🤣

[@shanerogers2790]

I think he means Ronan the Accuser. Malekith is the Villian from Thor 2. Who he shows in the vision is Ronan ?

[@gagemyers8811]

shane rogers no he means malekith because he said it. Why would he mean Ronan you fucking twat

[@Sephiroth32vergil]

I think this review is a little harsh on the Avengers. The Avengers was the first movie in this franchise and had to use characters that were barely developed. Thor's first movie was ok, Captain America's was ok, people didn't even know at the time that this was the same Edward Norton Hulk, black widow was a supporting character and Hawkeye was barely even in the universe. Since it was the first of it's kind the studio wouldn't know the success it would be so opted to play it safe. So the movie had mostly underdeveloped characters with no time to develop it and a limited budget compared to Age of Ultron where there was huge hype for and the characters were much better developed and loved. Age of Ultron had a lot more room overall to start with. In terms of Loki being a bad villain I also disagree. Tom was excellent and his motivations were simple but well presented. He wants to rule and he showed that multiple times. They had to develop a good villain and although it wasn't perfect I think it was still pretty good. I will agree a bit on the lighting that it could be better ranged in the heli carrier but like I said before I think they were forced to play it safe with a limited budget. I do enjoy Ultron more but by no means do I think the Avengers failed.

[@Sephiroth32vergil]

@@anandkhorana7033 Yes it wasn't hard to tell that Norton's hulk was the same hulk but it still wasn't that known to majority of the people going to watch Avengers. The MCU was just being made at that point so post credits scenes wasn't public knowledge. I agree that Loki wasn't given that much care but the focus of the story was more about the teaming up of superheroes and how to establish them as a real team so there was no space to develop Loki. Unlike Age of Ultron that was already established so they didn't need to take time to create the Avengers. Infinity War is a great example cause the main character was Thanos but that only worked cause all the other characters and teams had their development. Its either they keep the villain simple and develop the main characters and the team or make the villain complex and keep the main characters simple, they didn't have time to do both.

[@Sephiroth32vergil]

@@anandkhorana7033 You ok mate? You got angry all of a sudden. The movie's entire story didn't depend on the villain because if it did then Avengers would've been a bad movie. Now if you have that opinion its exactly that, an opinion as Avengers did knock it out of the park commercially and critically. If you can't see the difference between this film and a cartoon filler then maybe you shouldn't be so passionate about story development. Let me ask you this then, if Thanos wasn't the main character then who was? Thanos had a lot more screen time than anyone else. You complain about Loki being simple then when they give the villain the amount of attention you want you complain again, make up your mind. They did develop Thanos in previous films and what did they develop him as? An ultimate threat. Also we're not talking about the comics here, we're talking about film. 2 completely different mediums for story telling both of which have their own pros and cons. Film is much more limiting than books or comics when it comes to options for storytelling. You don't have to care what the majority thinks, I'm simply stating about what circumstances the film makers had to contend with at the time and to them majority opinion matters greatly because in the end film making is a business. You may view yourself as someone who views things at a deeper level than most and maybe you are, but it doesn't change the fact that the opinion of the majority does matter.

[@Sephiroth32vergil]

@@anandkhorana7033 You keep bringing up Interstellar for no reason further more you keep talking about it like you have some deep profound knowledge of it and then point out the obvious. It's true you need an antagonist but the antagonist doesn't need to be this profound deep being. Using your example with interstellar time is not some deep idealogoy that we must flesh out and develop. Time is simple, its a simple villain. Are you telling me that Interstellar was bad because it had a simple villain? In the same vain who are you that that people should care about your opinion, and they are opinions. You don't care about any of the business aspects or mass opnion you are the edge lord without a care in the world. So before you start saying "I don't care" about this or that remember that the film makers that make blockbusters are catering to the masses, not only you. Social context does matter, human nature matters. The screenwriters themselves say Thanos is the protangonist, the actual creators of the film you seem to try and convey some deep understanding of. Thanos is the protangonist, its not opinion its fact. Funny you talk about how "true art is dying" because you don't like the art that is presented to you. You can rant all you want but your opinions, and they are opinions, doesn't mean anything if you can't back it up with fact. Just cause it's not deep with layers and layers of context doesn't make it any less artistic. By you trying to find the conspiracy theory in everything you fail to see how artistic simplicity can be. "simplicity is the ultimate sophistication" - Leonardo Da Vinci

[@Sephiroth32vergil]

​@@anandkhorana7033 Thanos is the protagonist of this story, period. You can throw your own opinion on it but Infinity War is literally the story of how Thanos acquired all the infinity stones and who is the centerpiece of that? Thanos. You simply view Thanos as the villain of this story because you simply see him as evil and use his comic book comparison to help bolster your argument, except like I said before this isn't the comics, mate. The events of Infinity War are directly driven by Thanos' actions, there is a villain in this story but Thanos isn't it. But since you wanna use comics lets use them, who is the protagonist of "The Thanos Quest"? Its the story about how Thanos got the Infinity stones, same as Infinity War. By referencing Thanos' past in the comics, which you are doing, you'd say Thanos is the villain right? "If you can't objectively break down things properly, you have no place and no business saying you have an objective truth to say, not an opinion". Excpet you have done nothing but stated opinion this whole time without adding facts to back up your story. The only "facts" you have presented are from irrelevant topics as they do not hold any water to the main debate. You dismiss my quoting of Da Vinci without even bothering to understand why I did because it's against your opinion. If you can't objectively break down things properly, you have no place and no business saying you have an objective truth to say, not an opinion. There is a drastic difference between AoT, OPM and HxH and Avengers. For starters, those are tv shows not movies. So they don't have the same limitations of time and animated tv shows do not have the same limitation as live action movies. How you don't understand that I do not know. If you can't objectively break down things properly, you have no place and no business saying you have an objective truth to say, not an opinion Would you ask a mechanics opinion on brain surgery? Would you ask a soldier's opinion on architecture? Would you ask a graphic designer's opinion on physical therapy? Yet you hold a security guard's opinion on the movie over an expert in the genre like a filmmaker. To take it even further you take his opinion over the actual creators of the film. If a war vet said Spiderman would've probably been a villain cause people with power often become corrupt would you hold his opinion over Stan Lee's when he made Peter Parker. Because by your definition that war vet would have been through life thus his opinion should matter more. Context matters, expertise matters and facts matter. If you can't objectively break down things properly, you have no place and no business saying you have an objective truth to say, not an opinion.

[@Sephiroth32vergil]

@@anandkhorana7033 "I can't properly think of a rebuttal so I'm just gonna act like you're in the wrong even though I can't prove you're wrong and act like you're the one who can't understand even though my own logic has been proven flawed. Oh I gotta make sure I throw an empty insult at him in the end". There I fixed it for you. Enjoy your hike :)

[@FuDiggity]

Just started the video(3:40 in so far). My biggest gripe with Ultron was the all-too-common out-of-place comedy and that he made hundreds of robot backups and didn't leave a single one in a safe place in case he lost. To be fair I haven't seen it in years and I'm a massive Ultron/Brainiac/Skynet/"PO'ed Construct" fanboy, but that's all I remember.

[@rhiannongreen2642]

I always saw it as the hubris he got from Stark, if you are born on the internet, you don't think you're going to be cut off from it.

[@keithg460]

So basically... Age of Ultron was a great sequel.

[@Zezinizzle]

Not quite, if it was it would have genuinely shocked the majority with how good it was the same way the first and infintiy war did, people just want to be contrarian nowadays.

[@Slyarno2795]

@@Zezinizzle No one cares about your shit

[@Zezinizzle]

@Andre Marchand I mean hey you're not wrong, only a few of these 22 films are great. I never called age of ultron a bad movie, just nowhere near as tidy, well paced or impactful as the others. The status quo is barely changed at the end of this story It's a middle chapter in an epic saga, so I think it's fair to compare the impact each film had, which this film had very little of.

[@Zezinizzle]

@@Slyarno2795 can't handle someone else having a different opinion?

[@dexterisgreatnessxxx4899]

Zezinesh Mrkusich no people just expected a big event film and got a normal Avengers film.

[@tanvvir8996]

Ultron: has access to all sea ports and nukes Also Ultron: “lift Sokovia then slam it down”

[@CallmeJochem]

Tony made sure that Ultron didn't have access to nuclear codes anymore.

[@thebkg]

Actually Jarvis was preventing Ultron from obtaining the codes. That was cool. The concept of "The Nexus" however was pretty lame. That veered off science fiction and into fairytale lane.

[@sooryaunshumulawkar6700]

if he fires nukes then it would set toxic nuclear radiation and nuclear winter all over earth and then life cannot evolve as ultron wanted. whereas acc. to his plan all the life would be wiped out but still it would be possible to start over.

[@alanroberts6086]

He talked a lot about meteors and how much he enjoyed them early in the film. So, it was kind of symbolized, as well.

[@davidj3841]

He didn't have acces to any nukes though. Jarvis didn't let him do that.

[@peterquinones2169]

The Avengers feels like a Event Age of Ultron feels like a movie Infinity war and Endgame feels like both

[@leemavundla]

Infinity war feels like a movie Endgame feel like event and movie

[@trevorthornley8835]

Age of ultron feels like a sloppy mess.

[@XenaticLuxo]

I’m not sure what this observation is meant to highlight...

[@owyemen9367]

Endgame feels like an event only

[@sumedhsasane6403]

Infinity war feels like eventful movie Endgame feels like cinematic event

[@MattSipka]

This film and Spider-Man homecoming both do interesting things that play on the Villain’s monologue. In homecoming, Vulture explains his motivations to Peter simply to distract him long enough for his wings to be ready. When Stark asks Ultron what he intends to do with the vibranium, he satirizes monologues: “I’m glad you asked because I wanted to take this time to explain my evil plan” (attacks immediately)

[@AmandaPrice-f8c]

Ultron saw incredibles

[@EntidadLibre]

I always had the feeling AoU wasn't that bad, but each and every time it had been said that the Ultron from the comics were far superior as a character and a threat to The Avengers that it was in the film. But honestly, I never read anything about it before the movie, so I wasn't biased by the source material, which lead me to actually enjoy the movie. Thanks for confirm my perspective.

[@goldenstatewarriors9418]

The reason people like Ultron better in the comic is: 1. He's a lot more menacing and threatening for the team. 2. They dont have to solve Ultron n one movie, so the relationship between the team and the villain goes over tons of comics and is built up well. 3. There's a much stronger relationship between Ultron and his creator, who was Hank Pym, and they do a lot of emphasis on how Ultron is actually exactly what Hank wanted, he just never realized how dark his desires were. They also have a great relationship between Hank and Ultron, as since Hank was Ultron's father, so Ultron often felt super abandoned and Hank didn't love him at all. Hank once used that to trick Ultron lying about loving him temporairily defeating him, until he comes back enraged, knowing that Hank hates his son.

[@themadclown4077]

@@goldenstatewarriors9418 That's basically ever villian in comics. Comic material is always going to dive in more with relationships philosophy and he they can do more crazy shit. Not defending to be honest I'm more of a dc fan although I still like avengers more then age of ultron but I also think you wouldnt like many of my opinions of the mcu.

[@goldenstatewarriors9418]

@@themadclown4077 Thing about Ultron was my favorite part of him was always the twisted relationship between him and Hank. Ultron is more than just a dark reflection of Hank, he's also sometimes exactly what Hank wants to be. Ultron hates his creator, but still considers Hank his father, and the twisted times where Hank treats Ultron as a son and Ultron couldn't care less are great. Hank is a much darker character and he has parts of him that he's not proud of. The manifestation of that is Ultron. Not the overcampy goofball we see. Ultron's humor is supposed to be sick, but harshly true, not just funny and cringy.

[@goldenstatewarriors9418]

@@deanjustdean7818 Chip Zdarsky's Daredevil is pretty mature. So's Al Ewing's Immortal Hulk. So was Spider-Man Life Story And Spectacular Spider-Man #310 both written by Chip Zdarsky.

[@aliquidgaming1068]

Got to take source material into consideration when breaking down these films overall in my opinion. I say this about anything. If the movie was about a historical figure or mythology I'd say the same. Especially if you're breaking down the story. Most people I feel are now more knowledgeable about the comics and not just fans of the comics if that makes sense. Like yeah a lot of MCU fans habe read the comics but more haven't. But I'd argue more people now are more knowledgeable about the comic lore without having read them. Ultron is one of the most formidable and dangerous threats the avengers ever face. In this film he is comical. His film is also named age of ultron yet he is drafted in about a weekend. Lastly these films have to take their source material into consideration to appeal to both fans and new comers. So making it in the traditional way movies are made wouldn't work. Loki in comics is ambiguous in what he does. His plans shouldn't be known and take issues to reveal, just like they did in the films. Thats why I say with films that take their inspiration from source material you have to also break them down while also acknowledging the comics. Otherwise your not doing it in full and in my opinion handicapped.

[@TheLegoBrosAnimates64]

Wait....a video defending Age of Ultron and saying it's superior then The Avengers?!? I'M SO HAPPY THAT I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE!

[@kingdangoz1771]

I personally disagree. Aren’t opinions great? We can have different ones and still be friendly with one another.

[@simplebutpowerful]

@@kingdangoz1771 naw. let's fight. :P I've always felt Age of Ultron got disproportionately ragged on, so I appreciate this vid.

[@kingdangoz1771]

For the record I was disagreeing with the other comment under the main comment, not the main comment itself.

[@simplebutpowerful]

​@@kingdangoz1771 So you'd say the Age of Ultron final battle is better? I'd say I favor the one in The Avengers, but perhaps that's largely nostalgia. I'm curious, what's your case for AoU's finale?

[@kingdangoz1771]

I think Avengers was more set pieces clashing at once, and AoU was one giant set piece imploding that imo had more emotion behind it. That’s mainly what sealed it for me.

[@TheColombianSpartan]

"Was a good talk" "No it wasnt..." lmao

[@pocketfulloposeys7525]

The only thing that made it was the no it wasn’t in my opinion 😂😂😂

[@Nemenis]

@@pocketfulloposeys7525 Yeah i joss whedon's cringey forced jokes in AoU and Justice league.

[@xipheonj]

Very convincing. To analyze my feelings then, Avengers was an achievement, a unique moment in time doing something that's never been done before, and doing it well. The surface level feeling of the movie was perfect and gave me exactly what I wanted from it. Age of Ultron was missing the superficial elements, it was more grounded, but the magic of the first Avengers was gone so it's absence was felt that much more strongly. Or, to let my inner child explain it. Avengers was more cool and fun, Age of Ultron was less cool and fun.

[@chalos6072]

Oh boy... I can see the comments coming

[@johnapple6646]

No u NO U

[@thanosman3491]

Run for your lives

[@AngusStewart01]

Uno

[@LittleMopeHead]

What did you expect from the comments though?

[@StickAKAMatthew]

You didn't change my mind. Because I always preferred Age of Ultron anyway.

[@nicolasheneghan4210]

Stick AKA Matthew thought i couldn’t be the only one.

[@henryallsup5771]

Make that three

[@bitsandbolts7884]

yeah same

[@davidkymdell452]

Nice!!!😂

[@yaseen2273]

Same

[@Luci-gh7ud]

*People hated it because its where Tony uses Friday instead of Jarvis*

[@SimaoRodrigues...]

jarvis best waifu

[@JosefZeethuven]

man i miss jarvis and with the new endgame out where we learn jarvis was his butler and kinda best friend god D:

[@therandomd2717]

I like Jarvis better but we had to move on and I don’t mind Friday

[@therandomd2717]

Please read at least the whole first part up to the link and maybe the sentences before the second link. The second link is about why watching porn and masturbating isn’t bad but you don’t have to go there if you don’t want too. (The watching porn and masturbating thing will probably be better news for men because of the way their brain works.) Just try reading it all please. Jesus can save you from an endless death and take you to Heaven. SCIENCE and history supports Christianity and I can give you some links on that. ENJOY life and do what you like, but do what is right and not for your own glory or for attention. Doing this will not save you, but once you are saved, doing so guarantees that you are saved. This is how to be saved -> AllAboutGOD.com › how-to-be-sav...Web resultsHow To Be Saved - God.. Jesus loves you even though we can and most likely did horrible things. It is hope. Please tell everyone how to be saved so they have the chance of being saved. Endless death will never be better than a perfect sinless life forever in Heaven. So you know, Watching porn is not a sin under certain circumstances like if your parents care that you watch it. For more on that go here biblicalgenderroles.com/how-does-watching-porn-and-masturbating-glorify-god/ If you are an adult don’t worry about dishonoring your parents. Don’t have any kind of sex outside of marriage though which includes watching strippers in person. Swearing is not a sin but again if any thing dishonors your parents then don’t do it unless you are an adult. Getting drunk is a sin but drinking is not. Smoking is not a sin but doing it often and getting addicted is. Love everyone including yourself and love God. Treat others the way you want to be treated. When you cause someone else to sin you are guilty as well. It’s up to you to see how far it goes till it’s your fault they sinned. Just remember it’s their choice to do something and don’t tempt them to do wrong. Joking is not wrong unless you are harming the other person in some way but if it’s not that bad for them, go ahead. Taking the Lord’s name in vain is a sin but it’s up to you to decide what is taking the Lords name in vain. Some people might not believe saying “Oh my God” and not using it in its correct way is a sin. Some people believe just saying omg is not a sin. If you want to know more about common sins and stuff so you can avoid sinning tell me and I’ll tell you more. God can basically do almost anything Tell others so they have a chance at being saved and live a perfect life forever. We live in a sinful world and we all sinned so we deserve it. Do what’s right even if it means you can’t enjoy yourself. Doing what’s right is more important. Have a good life. Don’t have sex outside of marriage though.

[@kerrychristensen7204]

@@SimaoRodrigues... Aifu?

[@Captianmex1C0]

Filmento is wrong about one point He mentions Loki's motivations weren't fleshed out in avengers, and that it doesn't matter that they were fleshed out in Thor because at the moment your watching Avengers. If it wasn't a cinematic universe then he'd be right. But you can't just repeat a Villians motivations in every Separate piece of content that he appears in, Thanoss was a bad example because up to Infinity war he was just big bad Purple chair guy. He wasn't developed until Infinity war. While Loki's Story could've been handled Better it would be a waste of Screentime to show his motivations again, imagine if every Film with Iron Man Went through a "I once created weapons so now I give up my Life in service to peace" scene. It would become repetitive, you must assume the audience has seen the other films and give nods to Congratulate them without isolating the Current audience that Hasn't seen the Solo films yet

[@poeticdavide]

He's wrong about the entire theme of the video 🤣. Avenger's original movie is WAY better than Age of Ultron.

[@Monika-hw7ey]

@@poeticdavide he didn't say aou is better. he says that some aspects of aou is better than their corresponding ones in avengers 1. the title, seemingly following a format, became a shitty clickbait i agree with all the points he made but those points doesn't say aou is a better movie, it only says aou did some things better. obviously, avengers 1 did everything else better and that alone makes it a better movie

[@bullymaguire7554]

@@poeticdavide You've commented on every thread asserting that like your self worth is tied to Avengers being better than AOU. Well, unfortunately, AOU is infinitely more rewatchable.

[@Jdudec367]

@@Monika-hw7ey Huh? looking at the title and description he is clearly saying that AOU is better.

[@anushmichealbiju916]

@@bullymaguire7554 bully Maguire is right aou is wayy more enjoyable than the original

[@jvd3339]

I love them both, but I can easily watch Avengers more than Ultron.

[@MerijnH]

Funny, it's the opposite for me. Absolutely love AoU while Avengers feels like a great start of a franchise but it doesn't feel like the current avangers anymore to me.

[@DaSuDanesi]

@@MerijnH I mean... Of course it doesn't feel like the current Avengers. There was a grand total of four movies that were meant to do any kind of world-building (maaaaybe five if you include Incredible Hulk, but that was before the idea of the MCU really even saw conception). It was literally the start of the journey for several characters. It was the establishing point for most the MCU as it is, and wasn't really a turning point for most of the characters until close to the end. Current Avengers has had a lot more time to grow and change them, as a culmination of over fifty hours of story-building.

[@MerijnH]

@@DaSuDanesi oh yea definitely, it was in no way meant as a problem for original Avengers. The characters just feel a lot more fleshed out in Ultron and the villain is more interesting imo, but the story has more epicness in the original (because its the first time they come together)

[@fremes3918]

@@MerijnH I was born with the gift of liking ever movie I see for the first time for hells sake I liked CARS 2 so I find it hilarious about people fighting over movie charachters

[@Harry-bs1qg]

My problem with avengers is it does look like a soap opera series than a movie and Loki's motives aren't that compelling as Ultrons...

[@James-Jr.-Music]

I personally prefer the Avengers, but Ultron is still good movie.

[@emanuelii3102]

Jambo The Knight i prefer endgame

[@James-Jr.-Music]

@@emanuelii3102 yeah me too actually lmao

[@dericjames2018]

@@emanuelii3102 Endgame was trash

[@ddm1912]

@@emanuelii3102 I actually prefer ultron over avengers, because there's a lot more happening there.

[@PatrickOMulligan]

@@emanuelii3102 IW was way better.

[@cd8145]

The lighting part is on point! I’ve always noticed it but could never pinpoint exactly why 👌

[@frankd3522]

So, the cuttlefish line isn't just a random joke, he's doing a bit to make fun of her. Like, "if you were any good at this, you wouldn't have to ask me what I'm afraid of" It's followed up later in the conversation.

[@Emanthebald]

This is like comparing 2 pies. One has better crust, and is presented on a better plate. In comparison, one has better elements. I won't disagree with that. But taken on it's own, the Ultron pie still tastes funny when it shouldn't, and has too many ingredients that kinda work separately but don't create a satisfying and cohesive meal. Avengers has artificial, good tasting chocolate. Ultron has actual chocolate, but not enough on it's own to savor. The flavor is there, but shallow.

[@6Churches]

I'm still scratching my head about the car chase where Ultron is able to lift up segments of the road as if he had telekinesis

[@eidolon1426]

@@6Churches WAIT A SECOND! What the fuck?! How did my brain never process that?! There is literally nothing that establishes, or even *implies,* that Ultron had any power like that at all! He's made out of steel/titanium alloy, (like the Iron Man suits but slightly better all around), plus the fractured mind of Jarvis, and the *MIND* Stone... None of those things would give him the ability to lift rubble and upheave asphalt and concrete like he did in that car chase. And nothing in the movie before or after hints of that being a viable, or even *possible,* upgrade that he could have somehow given himself. God they fucked up Ultron in every single possible way they could have found...

[@nirmaljoshi7921]

And infinity war is piece of cake.....

[@MrYoyoshi9]

@Zim Babwe pretty sure his cobra scepter thing was magical and he had a ring or something I don't remember, but he had magical artifacts, created by him maybe maybe not, but he had knowledge of magic that was his thing, nothing impressive and he relied on objects untill his wish

[@radrno7]

@@6Churches Well, it could be just a magnet that he developed since all things he used on were basically metal (metal structure inside the asphalt and the Iron Man suit), but it does make me wonder why that same technology wasn't used more and better since it's so powerful. I'm more mad about the fact that Ultron should've been something like a god because he could literally control every machine connected to Earth, that would've been a great plot for them to explore and a greater threat to the Avengers, instead they invented some 'end of the world' mumbo jumbo and the heroes won with barely any stakes whatsoever. And no, Civil War does NOT count as a compensation for that.

[@Werrf1]

So here we see the fundamental problem with the Checklist Method of story analysis. "If a story doesn't have this, this, and this, then it doesn't work". Despite which Avengers made more money, and is more widely loved. How can a film that is 'objectively' so flawed be more beloved? Well, the problem is that you're looking for flaws in the wrong place. Who is the main character of Iron Man? Tony Stark. Who is the main character of Captain America? Steve Rogers. Main character of Thor? Thor. Main character of Superman? Clark Kent. This is a pattern. So, with that pattern in mind, who is the main character of The Avengers? It's not Tony Stark, or Steve Rogers, or Nick Fury; it's The Avengers. The film isn't about the individual components that make up the film, it's about _the team._ The Team starts out disassembled, in the Ordinary World. The Team receives the Call to Adventure a bit at a time. The Team refuses the call. The helicarrier is attacked, and the team crosses the first threshold; some members work together, others fight. They're not all there yet. Coulson dies, and The Team is in the belly of the whale. Then Stark declares "If we can't protect the Earth, you can be damn sure we'll avenge it". His new suit appears, and The Team Assembles. _That_ is why The Avengers works. Because The Avengers, _the team,_ goes through the Hero's Journey. Not the individuals that make up the team, but the team itself.

[@dylana.9057]

Very good comment .I still think avengers 1 is more memorable than Age of Ultron

[@ryanmorris3114]

Very good point dude! I feel like Avengers was about them coming together as actual avengers for the first time. In Ultron, after creating the titular villain, Tony again goes behind the team's back to create Vision. Whether he was right or wrong about vision in the end isn't the point as much as he didn't learn to be a team player, he just repeated the same behaviour without consequences :S

[@kikilocket]

Ryan Morris “no consequences” CA Civil War says hi

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@kikilocket they kind of brushed over the fact he created Ultron and focused more on the aftermath

[@revimfadli4666]

Very well said. It's similar to my gripe about the American/Western Plot Cult, which deems stories that don't fulfill the checklist of the 'standard' plot points to be inferior

[@nahog7988]

*reads title* “These are confusing times”

[@thetf8142]

Age of ultron has aged very well after Wanda vision

[@marca8368]

The Avengers: less is more Age of Ultron: more is overflowing

[@davfree9732]

Avengers was Joss’s transition from TV to film. I look at A and AofU as evidence of progression in his craft

[@Gemnist98]

Wouldn’t that be Serenity?

[@nidebau]

@@Gemnist98 Ironically Serenity was much more cinematic than the Avengers, even though it was basically a TV movie. Just compare the "I aim to misbehave" scene to any other non-action scene in the Avengers.

[@ccricers]

Controversial opinion but I think Russo films > Whedon films

[@dominic-columbine]

Not rlly. Joss has had dominant involvement film(s) before, that came off much more presentable than The Avengers. Hell even though it was a shit show, the parts of JL he directed came off much better than select parts of the film. You can def see he tried to put more efforts into AoU due to the pressure of carrying a billion dollar franchise. It took a toll on him, I'm sad to say even though I disagree with his overall personal morale.

[@dominic-columbine]

@@ccricers LMAO not controversial. Predominantly supported.

[@hyperbolicraider4848]

MCU fans be like: AoU was a bad Avengers film in MCU Also MCU fans: Man I love Endgame how Thanos wants to wipe out the universe to build a better one. Ultron whi has the exact same idea: *Am I a joke to you?*

[@agt_pendergast8899]

I remember Ultron wanted to wipe out humanity from Earth because people = bad. End suffering, or something? So in the same vein of the criminal mastermind, Killer Croc, he decides to throw a rock at the problem. So, yes Ultron, you are a joke to me.

[@jamesrelich8210]

@@agt_pendergast8899 You're making Ultron sound like Bender unconsciously chanting, "Kill all humans!" What he actually said was, "When the Earth starts to settle, God throws a stone at it. And believe me, He's winding up." Ultron wasn't a mindless buffoon trying to kill all humans because they're bad. He saw what he was doing as fulfilling the Earth's destiny. "Do you see the beauty of it, the inevitability?"

[@therandomd2717]

Ikr

[@therandomd2717]

Please read at least the whole first part up to the link and maybe the sentences before the second link. The second link is about why watching porn and masturbating isn’t bad but you don’t have to go there if you don’t want too. (The watching porn and masturbating thing will probably be better news for men because of the way their brain works.) Just try reading it all please. Jesus can save you from an endless death and take you to Heaven. SCIENCE and history supports Christianity and I can give you some links on that. ENJOY life and do what you like, but do what is right and not for your own glory or for attention. Doing this will not save you, but once you are saved, doing so guarantees that you are saved. This is how to be saved -> AllAboutGOD.com › how-to-be-sav...Web resultsHow To Be Saved - God.. Jesus loves you even though we can and most likely did horrible things. It is hope. Please tell everyone how to be saved so they have the chance of being saved. Endless death will never be better than a perfect sinless life forever in Heaven. So you know, Watching porn is not a sin under certain circumstances like if your parents care that you watch it. For more on that go here biblicalgenderroles.com/how-does-watching-porn-and-masturbating-glorify-god/ If you are an adult don’t worry about dishonoring your parents. Don’t have any kind of sex outside of marriage though which includes watching strippers in person. Swearing is not a sin but again if any thing dishonors your parents then don’t do it unless you are an adult. Getting drunk is a sin but drinking is not. Smoking is not a sin but doing it often and getting addicted is. Love everyone including yourself and love God. Treat others the way you want to be treated. When you cause someone else to sin you are guilty as well. It’s up to you to see how far it goes till it’s your fault they sinned. Just remember it’s their choice to do something and don’t tempt them to do wrong. Joking is not wrong unless you are harming the other person in some way but if it’s not that bad for them, go ahead. Taking the Lord’s name in vain is a sin but it’s up to you to decide what is taking the Lords name in vain. Some people might not believe saying “Oh my God” and not using it in its correct way is a sin. Some people believe just saying omg is not a sin. If you want to know more about common sins and stuff so you can avoid sinning tell me and I’ll tell you more. God can basically do almost anything Tell others so they have a chance at being saved and live a perfect life forever. We live in a sinful world and we all sinned so we deserve it. Do what’s right even if it means you can’t enjoy yourself. Doing what’s right is more important. Have a good life. Don’t have sex outside of marriage though.

[@andu1478]

@Matta Bish well see i dont to tell you anything beacause i know what i like and thats it and beacause my braincells would die if i would talk to people who think AoU is better

[@minecrafter3448]

“How does this dude think age of ultron was better than the original?” 1:57 “Oh, that’s why.”

[@lionofjudah6753]

“Ultron is one of the best villains in the MCU right behind Thanos and...” Me: Killmonger? Vulture? Ego? “... Malekith.” Me: WUT

[@bashengatheblackmanta7003]

Malekith is one of the most dangerous villain of the mcu,his plan was to destroy the universe and turn it into darkness and he nealy succeded

[@henryallsup5771]

Don't forget he showed ronin on screen instead of malekith,

[@bashengatheblackmanta7003]

@@henryallsup5771 yeah l laught at that part

[@MoLetalis]

Killmonger was just terrible. Ego was a joke, even though it was supposed to be one. Vulture was awesome.

[@bashengatheblackmanta7003]

@@MoLetalis to me what made killmonger a villain was how ruthless he was he is a man who has nothing to lose

[@cmd31220]

You've come to destroy the Avengers? Filmento: I've come to save the world. But also.....yeah

[@JoaoGabriel-et4kq]

I like that phrase

[@jesseburgener442]

"In Age of Ultron, these battles don't take place on a helicarrier or a forest in the middle of nowhere, but in a densely populated area" The Battle of New York: Am I a joke to you? Also, Ultron's first battle takes place in a forest in the middle of nowhere...

[@AthrunZala47]

he's talking about the inner conflict of the avengers. not the 3rd act.

[@miceatah9359]

yeah this whole video is superficial af i like most of his videos but this is another case of him just trying to be extra edgy

[@jesseburgener442]

@@AthrunZala47 I believe the inner conflict of the Avengers in the original is one that's very personal, and that's why it takes place in isolated areas; the Avengers haven't learned to work together yet. That's what makes the final conflict that takes place in the city feel earned, it's the moment that the entire movie has worked up to. I by no means think AoU is bad and I'm certainly a fan of Filmento, but I feel like most of his arguments here kind of miss the point.

[@RedFloyd469]

@@miceatah9359 Ah yes, because disagreement = edgy. Such a classic counter-argument.

[@TheEddagosp]

@@RedFloyd469 Umm... edgy adjective \ ˈe-jē \ edgier; edgiest Definition of edgy 3 : having a bold, provocative, or unconventional quality

[@TheIndieGamesNL]

kinda cool how in the lab scene they go from white to brown lights while the dialogue talks about sunbathing

[@rhaenyrareigns2200]

*TIME STAMPS for "Why Age of Ultron Worked and The Avengers Didn't | Film Perfection":* @03:24 - The Look Of A Film; @07:11 - Characters v Caricatures; @10:36 - Conflict Within; @13:26 - Logic And Emotion.

[@Nugcon]

nice

[@FandomGirl42]

Finally! Someone who speaks English! And everyone calls me crazy and attacks me for saying Age o Ultron is better.

[@simplebutpowerful]

"I understood that reference" (great quote there, even though it's from The Avengers)

[@FandomGirl42]

@@simplebutpowerful I know. At least it's from the same franchise.

[@simplebutpowerful]

@@FandomGirl42 both movies are insanely quotable. All of the MCU is, particularly the Avengers ones.

[@FandomGirl42]

@@simplebutpowerful Agreed.

[@espinoza1546]

I atac you This is a joke I haven't seen either movies

[@SquishyOfCinder]

”and of course, Malekith.” Made me chuckle 15:32

[@mateusfranco5938]

Ultron is awesome just because the simple fact that he checked the internet for like 8 seconds and decided humanity must be deleted.

[@007abecerra]

I completely agree after watch these movies back to back, Ultron is more captivating

[@anhminh2318]

Finally, I found someone who think the same thought as I do. I have always liked Age of Ultron better due to the atmosphere of it. And I do feel The Avengers look like a TV movie though. But the CGI are nice at times

[@dzikidzik2966]

You right my brother

[@sulphurous2656]

I don't mind the Television look of the first film too much, if anything I like it for how organic it can feel.

[@tedguanzon3499]

It had a lackluster cinematography, convoluted character reactions, and looked like a sitcom. Just look at that resolution part where it took Hulk singlehandedly to defeat Loki, it ouldve saved us an hour and a half of the film/

[@omarireece3463]

@@tedguanzon3499 look at ultron he got one shot by hulk whats your point

[@tedguanzon3499]

@@omarireece3463 he got one shot by hulk cuz iron man, vision, and thor hyperbeamed him all at once. Loki wasnt. Loki was just grabbed and thrown all around.

[@tashadurant4547]

I mostly agree with your point except for the one of Loki only being against Thor. Yes, they should have done a better job explaining Loki's backstory and not think everyone already watched Thor and knows who he is (because I watched Thor like a thousand times I never realized that) but I think the scene in The Avengers where Loki tried to make the old man kneel made him in direct conflict with the other avengers. At that moment Loki represents pure tyrannical power and seeks to create a world structure with him as the king because he believes he is a superior being among these literally small humans. In Asgard, he couldn't be king cause he was in a world where everybody was god-like but on Earth, he can be king cause they are just humans. The Avengers are against this idea that humans are less than/ Loki is superior to humans because excluding Thor they are human and Thor was once a mortal and learn how to love from mortals in the first Thor movie so doesn't think humans are useless things (should have incorporate that in this movie). Also, it puts him in direct conflict with Captain America who represents America's democratic values. Though I think they should have reminded us of this conflict more often, two times we are reminded of this when Hulk calls Loki a puny God after slamming into the pavement (a human physically gaining an advantage over this "superior "God) and when black widow trick Loki in the scene when he is "trap" in the glass prison (a human being smarter that this "superior" God who is know for being cunning) I always thought the movie a cautionary tale as to not underestimate humans but maybe I am the only one.

[@madensmith7014]

You're really not the only one. Not underestimating humanity or life as a whole is a recurring theme for the Avengers movies. The issue is just that it's not shown well enough with Loki. Their core beliefs are not really in question, just the execution.

[@andrazprelec8263]

Underrated

[@codyray2818]

Also Loki’s first speech about freedom and how it’s life’s great lie

[@yolenda_loves_to_sing]

I understood why the internal conflicts between each avenger could be more intense in Age of Ultron than in the first Avengers. Because the first movie have to do the basic character developments first. While the second one have a lot more room to play with them.

[@normanrusty]

Age of Ultron is the better film and always has been. I literally left the theatre and said to my friends, "I actually liked it better than the first one"

[@TheFalladin]

I've been talking about the lightning for yeaaaaars, reminds me of some BBC show in some scenes. Still love the movie, damn I love both of them... Tbh I love all 4 of them.

[@honeybadgermaldog7545]

5*

[@XxJetGxX]

Me too and never knew after watching avengers 1 over and over i started to hate the fight scene of the cap and nat scenes looked cheap and now i know why

[@radrno7]

@BLAIR M Schirmer And THAT'S why using so much CGI is damaging to the movie. Even in Infinity War, which has gorgeous visuals, has a lot of lighting problems because of the overuse of CGI. I know, it was a really big movie so it was impossible for them to not use so much CGI, but take a look at the lighting in Avatar(2009), every scene manages to keep the lighting while allowing for the CGI to look natural, and it had a smaller budget and came out 10 years ago.

[@shapeshifter7676]

I always liked Age of Ultron. Now I know why

[@valormusicreal]

Yes, finally, someone who understands how good Age of Ultron really is

[@chriscoleman2158]

If “The Avengers” didn’t work, there would be no “Age of Ultron”

[@herrpredator4307]

no

[@matthewmccormack6507]

@@herrpredator4307 what a great argument

[@robtheservantof6257]

Avengers worked but, Ultron is better

[@sadeed2839]

@@robtheservantof6257 it’s really not. Had a lot of subplots that could’ve been better like when Thor finds out about the infinity stones. Ultron was rushed, and he was also extremely weak. Ultron in the comics is menacing. He should’ve been able to take on the avengers himself (yes even Thor and Hulk) They also killed off a character that was just introduced and had around 10-15 minutes of screen time. Also the Nat and Bruce romance should’ve been cut from the film, instead focusing on the closer friendship relationship between Nat and Steve

[@noahh6186]

The Avengers walked so Age of Ultron could fly

[@joshuafarrell8516]

I'm not gonna lie to you chief, I don't think I can subsidize this one. Avengers is a film about a bunch of people who don't know each other being thrust upon one another and having to work together to respond to the call of duty. Of course their interactions are going to be shallow. Were you expecting their back-and-forth conflict to be that deep? The movie proper takes place in like one day. You don't get to the root of deep character flaws in a day, you get the surface level. The test of this film is to cooperate in spite of their superficial barriers. Stark seems like an asshole, Rogers is an out of touch fossil, Banner is a health and safety risk, Romanov is a literal black widow deceiver who can't be trusted on job description alone, Thor is a pompous warrior levitating above the mortals, Hawkeye is an opponent for most of the film. Loki's inferiority complex is well established and perfectly explains why he offered his services to Thanos and the Jutari, and we later understand why Thanos supported him. He couldn't rule Asgard, so he's taking Midgard, and if it pisses off Thor, even better. I disagree that you have to judge the film on its own without taking into account the setup of its predecessors. That'd be like watching the second Godfather. Alone. You could probably piece things together with context clues but you lose the greater understanding. Not that we're talking about the Godfather here, but the point stands. The Avengers was designed to be a payoff to the dedication of watching the MCU films, as such it is a triumphant coming together flick, it isn't supposed to be deep, it is simple and effective. The tone is appropriate. I'd argue that AOU only works in its darker elements, and that is due to how light-hearted the Avengers is. It subverts what we were shown by revealing the darkness beneath the surface of these heroes. If the Avengers did this too, then AOU would be an uninspired dump of a film. Subversion and quirky xd rawr humour is all it has. Age of Ultron is a film about the straining of a dysfunctional team rife with moral cracks. Its subject matter is far darker than the first movie, yet it is just as light-hearted in tone. It makes sense for them to begin to seriously chafe regarding things that matter here, because they have known each other for long enough to think they've figured each other out, but not long enough to understand one another. Ultron is established to be a foe that is easy to defeat in a fight, but impossible to destroy due to his escape into the Internet. As opposed to Loki, who is a threat moreso because of the Jutari he convinced to help him with his words and bartering skills rather than his raw power, as we know that Thor alone can defeat him. Ultron's threat was that he could, if given enough time, use his AI Singularity brain to develop himself to the point that he could defeat them before they fully expunge him. This was what Ultron in the comics was, he adapted and developed technology more advanced than the team could handle too quickly and expunged organic life. The MCU Ultron is not in any way driven by logic, Ultron driven by logic is a horrific intelligence who recognizes with his hyper brain that now he could effectively build a brain big enough to process more in a nanosecond than all humans have in humanity's existance, and he could rebuild factories to make more physical forms for himself, humans are nothing but a burden to his goal of protecting the Earth, because he is devoid of the ability to see the wonders of humanity because he only sees them for their utility. He is incapable of subjective analysis. MCU Ultron is a fragmented being who seems to understand the value of human life and the nuances and brilliance which defines them, yet still wants to kill them all. In spite of the strange romantic attraction he has to Wanda. Furthermore, his outlook is entirely emotional, his personality is not a cold computing force of intellect, but of Tony Stark...but QuIrKy AnD eViL All of his most defining moments are of arrogance, of rage and denial. It isn't bad, it just isn't Ultron. The trailer Ultron is so good because he is menacing and cold, and he speaks to them as though their existence annoys them. He condescends them because he knows he's smarter than them. His victory lies in ensuring he survives until he inevitably surpasses them. Your lighting criticism is whack, because Avengers is bright because it isn't attempting to convey deep emotional divides as they are too new to each other to actually have them. The only one you could apply this to is Banner because he isn't really there by choice. Everyone else agrees they need to stop Loki, they just keep getting sucked into minor disputes which are amplified by the villain's skills and abilities. The big flaw with the Avengers is it doesn't have a main character. Every other Avengers film is Iron Man ft Steve and co. Thus it can be a lot more personal.

[@bookofpayne]

Great comment, glad to see a well thoughtout counter arguement

[@kmac169]

"All of his most defining moments are of arrogance, of rage and denial. It isn't bad, it just isn't Ultron." Pretty much the entire history of Ultron in the comics would disagree with that statement. Rage, arrogance, and denial are the key traits of Ultron in the comics... because those were the insecurities of Hank Pym made manifest. Ultron has rarely been depicted like Skynet or HAL or . Far more often than not he is portrayed more like Frankenstein's monster. This movie does a good job at depicting Ultron like he is in the comics.

[@joshuafarrell8516]

@@kmac169 I'll give you that, I wrote this over a day into uninterrupted consciousness and it isn't the most coherent thing, if you read what I wrote directly under that, then you'll see that my brain misinterpreted comic Ultron, but it did get the vibe down if you know what I mean. He was never essentially a comic relief villain in the comics. I disagree with you there. AOU treated him with no reverence, he only felt like a threat in his first scene. That's like the opposite of Ultron unless we're talking when he's introduced killing everyone Days of Future Past style. He's at his most threatening at his weakest.

[@tonuahmed4227]

@@joshuafarrell8516 I'm not familiar with comic ultron but...your last line,true...he felt more intimidating when he was built with scraps of tonys protocol bots...they should've made him more mysterious...

[@willemboele2079]

me: "well this guy is going to have an opinion isn't he? well i better make sure i read the entire thing so i can understand hes viewpoint" *clicks read more* oh my god nevermind he wrote a whole god damn novel"

[@VicZam9]

Everytime a Filmento upload notification pops up I get excited. Would you do a "One Marvelous Scene" to add to the wave of them being created? I would love to hear your take on the scene that stands out the most to you.

[@Carabas72]

@Thorne Whoah there. Who pissed in your cornflakes, mr. Got-out-of-bed-on-the-wrong-side?

[@Carabas72]

@Thorne But this video series isn't about judging quality. It's about celebrating fandom, you cute li'l edgelord you. Then again, folks like you don't really get that, do you? All you lot can do is tear things down and dance on the broken shards until your feet bleed.

[@andrewp2681]

Thorne Imagine being angry enough to come back to a thread and then reply to yourself even though nobody responded to your comment 4 days prior.

[@error8119]

I feel both are great movies it’s just that Avengers was just to introduce all the characters as a team and so it’s less depth driven and more physically testing how we would take them. They continued to make them actually people because they knew the movies were actually going to do well

[@crazzanthictlabbar1056]

+1 for you, even though I disagree... because I like the discussion. My gripe with AoU was the floating island, and the most formulaic, uninspired "grand battle" at the end. I also found the twins annoying. The rest of the movie was great. Avengers, I give it a pass because it's the "introductory ensemble" film and you need to keep it simple when you bring so many characters together for the first time. If complex themes and subplots were all in there, the movie would have lost the audience, badly. As for Loki's motivation, it was a lie. He was caught by Thanos, and lied to save his skin, and was sent to Earth as Thanos' servant to "open the front gate from the inside," and he was doing it all at gunpoint, effectively. That Loki lied to Thor tells me he didn't want Thor to "rescue" him, or to go after Thanos.

[@KingNefiiria]

I also think that Avengers was still in that "intro" phase of really feeling if people would like comic book movies in this style. They had to make something that really just felt like a big ol clash of faces. I remember people talking about how this movie would flop if done wrong, because both the actors and the heroes they play all had big names on screen, they thought that there would be on-screen and behind-the-scenes bickering over who got the most screen time. They felt it would become another Spiderman 3 but in reverse, too many superheroes all facing a single villain(and his army). You'll notice after Avengers, the movies start becoming less and less focused on formula and more on situations the characters would be in based on events that happened prior to the movies they starred in. They're all basically sequels of each other, the original movie(s) were Phase 1 before Avengers, Avengers was the sequel to those movies, Phase 2 were sequels to Avengers, and so on. It shows the characters changing. And I don't think anyone would have liked Ultron if it was shot, directed, and played like Avengers. Likewise, I don't think anyone would have bothered with some of the heavier themes the later movies bring if it was introduced in Avengers. People would have been like "what is this? Ugh I don't care just let me see them fight."

[@elisarich7107]

Agreed. It was an exposition. If Ultron was like the Avengers, then we would have gained nothing. Ultron developed the Avengers as people who fuck up like the rest of us. They have faults, and there are large consequences for their behavior, good and bad. I believe it was what allowed the rest of the films to have a more "realistic" sense. Even though the Segovia Accords are complete bullshit.

[@SuperOmnicronsj44]

Ultron said; "The weight of your failure" meaning his event, would combine with the incident in Lagos (where the virus researchers were blown up by Scarlet Witch) which would then lead to the Sokovia Accords.which then would tear the Avengers apart creating Civil War. The weakened aspect of a broken team, then lead to them getting back together to oppose Thanos not fully together....then failing. Ultron was a very good and underrated character in a somewhat overly long convoluted movie.

[@TreySarver]

“One of the best MCU villains right behind Thanos and of course, *Malekeith*” Lmaooooooooo