Hunger Games: The New One - When a Franchise Turns Toxic | Anatomy of a Failure

[@Filmento]

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[@oksanapashenko]

Hey, Fil. I remember that conversation we had about The Last Of Us 2 video. So how about a video for a movie or tv show, who is similar to TLOU2 narrative, but did a lot better. If it’s old or new.

[@knightofthenight3420]

Can you please do Speed 2?

[@Thelorecookie]

Please do madam web!

[@AlleyKatPr0]

$100m budget...they didn't want to place too much faith in the movie, but then again, this is also probably why the script was so bad.

[@numberonedad]

you're under the impression that "snow lands on top" is a well-written line?

[@marcusstewart4141]

"It doesn't create entertaining content, it believes the franchises existence in the content, is enough to entertain " This statement is so accurate its *SCARY* smh

[@brettloo7588]

This statement is on point!

[@vehzee]

Doesn't really apply to this if its based on a book that the author waited 10 years to release bc she actually had something to say and a story to tell

[@michaelwoodby5261]

Yeah, really describes what was wrong with the first Star Wars sequel.

[@lockekappa500]

Basically described 90% of marvel films.

[@MLTAKOS]

@@lockekappa500yesn’t since marvel was a comic book company first, i think the problem in marvel are diversity hires instead of real writing talent and that started about endgame and after

[@DarkSliderHD]

I actually prefer these type of failure analyses because the movies themselves are not bad but after watching you leave kind of unsatisfied and you perfectly explained why.

[@ender_z4nd3r83]

It's a bad movie tho

[@yurikendal4868]

@@ender_z4nd3r83 Yeah. We didnt need this movie. Snow was snow for a reason that we didnt need to dig into.

[@kdkseven]

Not bad maybe, but not good. At all.

[@violetlavi2207]

@@yurikendal4868tbf the exploration of how he was instrumental in the Games IS fascinating. But the book is way better than the movie, especially regarding Snow (the movie removes his inner monologue, and thus he comes off as sympathetic when he isn’t)

[@Sehon13Ultd]

@@yurikendal4868we don’t “need” any movie, it’s all entertainment

[@LeykRoss]

The main actor portraying Snow was excelent, every scene he was in got inmediately better. Sadly, he cant do much more with what he was given.

[@tamarahuntington3949]

Like when a good waiter brings bad food

[@TheNikoNik]

@@tamarahuntington3949 this is the type of case where Gordon Ramsay would storm to the kitchen to drown the chef in insults, before and after peacefully calming down the waiter

[@thelion117]

"Snow lands on top" "But snow always has to fall"

[@marcusstewart4141]

And it melts 😂

[@TheLittleDudeMarcoPolo]

Snow falls Snow lands on top Snow always has to fall Snow still lands on top Snow melts… Literally the whole explanation of the hunger games.

[@lonestarr1490]

And it knows nothing. ... Sorry, wrong ridden to death franchise.

[@FreakazoidRobots]

And some people like to suck on snow until it melts in their mouth! Wait, what were we talking about again?

[@infernal_urethra]

Snow gets plowed ;)

[@gamerman782]

I remember someone saying that one of the reasons the movie was bad was because they based it on a book that involved a lot of internal dialogue that described stuff (especially Snow's actions).

[@geometrydashiuppiter6910]

Nah. The movie is basically exactly the same as the book, you're not missing out on anything. I actually enjoyed the movie a lot more than I enjoyed the book.

[@danillerobertson9790]

Nah. The book had so much cut out, but this movie was good.

[@adolfox16]

Nah.

[@AADP]

@@adolfox16 Naah

[@LuisSierra42]

Nah

[@hornmanxx1778]

"Whats the point of standing on a giant if the giants height cant be seen from where you stand" Someone get this man a culinary degree because he's cooking!

[@guilhermehank4938]

This is why you almost always get a scene with the giant creature near a human or a POV shot from the ground to gte the sense of scale. To just say that its "big" is extremely vague.

[@eggboy13uwu65]

The Madame Wab video is going to be peek.

[@NeptuneNoire]

I am so excited for that video.

[@user-x7dc2pq7n]

“Madame Web - When A Studio Doesn’t Even Try”

[@smallqwaro]

Spot on ​@@user-x7dc2pq7n

[@itsgonnabeokay9341]

Doesn't even try trying tbh​@@user-x7dc2pq7n

[@jimminycrunkett]

MISOGYNIST! HOW DARE YOU

[@Bullz_eye47]

the Hunger Games: the ballad of ultrawide camera

[@chrisdavey5530]

for real what were they even going for with the camera in this, I remember watching reviews assuming they were edited for DCA but nope it was intentionally shot that way, I can only assume they were going for that 90s fish eye lens look but I hated that back then also lol.

[@MaximumDiver]

The Camera in One Piece would say "Hold My Lens"

[@sauzefilms]

i love me some UWA shots, but goddamn it's so overused in this movie it's kinda nauseating lmao.

[@oyugioyugi6018]

Imagine if they made a similar remake but for divergent💀💀 they should just run back that whole teen dystopian phase again

[@ApexJnr]

Maybe Maze runner but divergent movies were bad.

[@keanufrance9051]

You have low standards and u probably don’t know what your watch also sadly but your not alone

[@oyugioyugi6018]

@@ApexJnr I remember maze runner being pretty bad as well hahaha

[@oyugioyugi6018]

@@keanufrance9051 watching bad teen dystopian movies was a guilty pleasure of mine lol

[@jasonblundelldobebussing]

Please, not again 😂. Thank god the movie bombed financially. (Kinda)

[@saul94923]

I think I enjoyed the movie more than most because i had just finished reading the book a few hours before i watched it. Snows internal dialouge was FRESH in my mind and i think most of this book happens in his head. This dude lies to himself and everyone else and its absolutely compelling. That opening segment where nothing happens is FULL of characterization he obsseses about his appearance, we learn about his mental states, his priorties, the fact that his family is starving, and how he views other. This movie was always doomed to suffer because this dude doesnt shut up, but its all in his head.

[@AdmoreMethod]

“That opening segment where NOTHING HAPPENS.” - not a great way to start a story.

[@saul94923]

@@AdmoreMethod I was using the language that the KZbinr used. The point I was trying to illustrate is that there is SO much happening but it's next to impossible to translate that into a screenplay. Super compelling in the book, but flat and boring in the movie. Honestly wish they had adapted Haymitches hunger games or something if they HAD to make another movie ngl.

[@felippogaglianoneneto621]

What if they did an American Psycho style voiceover covering all his thoughs?

[@themug406]

​@@saul94923Bro you cant judge the movie on something thats not in the movie lol

[@oneoranota]

Fight Club is a movie where 90% of the text is internal monologue, and it rocks. It is no excuse.

[@t.k.1319]

If this movie were actually about how this world became dystopian, and how the hunger games started, that would’ve been interesting. THIS answers none of those questions, making it a prequel that no one asked for.

[@vehzee]

It shows when the games became "entertainment" which is even worse. They've already stated that the games happened bc of war, that's a lot less interesting and not a concise enough story to tell.

[@emmanuelle2977]

@@vehzeeexactlyyyy

[@littleredruri]

Thing is, that's the prequel that logically would've been made, if you think about Star Wars or Planet of the Apes, or even Game of Thrones.

[@alpatrack7936]

Its showcased in the book and movie that Highbottom and snow’s father were responsible for writing the hunger games plan, and Dr Gaul who had vast power and influence alongside the capitols hatred for the districts to execute the games. Its already stated that the first 9 games were a disorganized boring messes and in danger of being cancelled until Snow’s involvement. I find it the better premise that snow is the reason why the games got revitalized by introducing betting, infatuation with the tributes and the general “Spectacle” of the games, Tying down that Snow always had a role in preserving the games making his downfall and thus ending the hunger games by the mockingjay so much more exhilarating and cathartic.

[@leodenbasta9182]

I asked for it so your argument just got invalid

[@Akursedtime]

A miniseries would have done better because I heard the book went into more detail about Snow's perspective and his relationships. It's not enough for a two hour movie to convey. Unfortunately.

[@mercenaryknight5419]

The film is overall faithful a rendering. The book does have something of internal monologues.

[@PsycheAnimus]

Watching the movie I kept wondering if our main characters were manipulating each other but there wasn't much give and take on that part. So then I thought, okay, I guess they just like each other but i still don't get why. It was a weird and unsatisfying movie to watch. The wardrobe and acting were superb though.

[@im_lennie]

Their romance made no sense to me. I kept expecting a twist reveal that Lucy Gray didn't like Snow at all, that she was manipulating him. I though that when Snow went to to District 12, Lucy would reject him. Nope

[@PsycheAnimus]

@@im_lennie lmao I know! I wanted her to call out his hero complex, or that fact that he's only helping her because he thinks she's attractive. But no, it was just love. Sure. Okay. Why not.

[@vehzee]

I dont believe they actually liked one another but just needed each other bc of the games (for different reasons). It's pretty obvious by the end that it was transactional at best

[@AdmoreMethod]

@@im_lennieMaybe it’s because the male actor hated the female actor, so they couldn’t even fake chemistry. 🤔

[@LilacSreya]

@@AdmoreMethodWhy? What is this about?

[@hannahstarinieri1351]

Whats too bad is that the book is truly an amazing novel. it really only works in the book form because the personal narration from snow and the time taken to develop the relationships between the characters can't really fit into a 2 hour movie. I think both The BOSAS and the Hunger Games both would work as a show maybe? They just work best as books tho.

[@S_raB]

It's written in 3rd person limited. It's difficult to translate into film, but there are many films that have it done it successfully & in 2 hours. I think: It failed at the box office because teens today don't care & those who were in the age range for the Hunger Games are now beyond the age that YA is widely appealing. So that's one reason for the mid box office. As for development it can work but it requires a lot of know how from the adapters (going from book to film is a very niche skill, especially to do it well). Take The Shining for example and compare to most other Stephen King adaptations. Or Crichton Sphere & compare to West World. All great books, not always even decent films...but it's not because the book is hard to adapt. It's because those adapting the book weren't skilled enough to properly convey things through visual story telling and dialogue in a less abstract medium.

[@edwardgyan7586]

Oh it's fucking not.

[@ferretappreciator]

​@@edwardgyan7586me if I was capable of having bad opinions

[@LineOfThy]

@@edwardgyan7586 *r a t i o e d*

[@thesean161]

I read the book before this came out. And youre right. the whole becoming a peacekeeper thing was a long as epilogue that was like 150+ pages. But like 30 min in the movie. It was a long ass book that got smooshed into a movie

[@anotherman3564]

1:23 CORIOLANUS SNOW THANK YOU FOR THE TIER 3 SUB LET'S GO!

[@bobs_sa8480]

10:50 the other issue here is that there is no inherent tension in ‘Will he save his family’s status/will “snow land on top” because…we know it does. We know he grows to become President Snow so yes, things work out for him. You can’t build tension on a character’s fate when you already know what it is. Overall the IP was exhausted with the initial movies and this ends up feeling like just a repackaged version of ideas we’ve already seen. Nothing inherently offensive about it, just not new/exciting enough to bring in the numbers the original movies did. It’s a prequel that doesn’t go back far enough. I thought it would go back to before the Hunger Games as an idea was even a thing, before there was the Capitol and Districts, show what made society fall apart and separate as it did and bring about the rise of rebels and how the Hunger Games were introduced etc. Follow completely new characters who go through all that and right at the end have a younger Snow make an appearance, with a triggering event that can be a “oh shit, so that was the spark that set him on his way to becoming the President Snow we know”

[@Axterix13]

If that were the case, we really couldn't build tension in most movies at all. We know the hero is going to survive and the bad guy is going down. Because 99.9% of the time, that's what happens. No different here. But you can work around that. Get us invested in the characters, and have a good journey to tell, and just like most other movies with action scenes, we'll go along for the ride. And you can build tension, because we don't know the girl's fate. And equally important, while we know where Snow ends up, we don't know how he got there. Did he sacrifice his love for power? Did the loss of his love lead him down to his chosen path of power? There are ways to make it work. And even if we know how it'll end, if we're invested in the characters enough, it can still hit us in the feels.

[@bobs_sa8480]

@@Axterix13 Most movies don’t have a series with multiple other movies guaranteeing the main character’s fate. They are contained stories with a story that starts & ends and so the journey can be made interesting. Snow’s journey we know continues on for multiple movies because we’ve seen it. So any setback he encounters we know is temporary. Any love interest he might have we know is temporary because she is never mentioned anywhere else in the series. In fact he is sufficiently fleshed out in the other movies that we even know where his morals and motivations truly lie; we know he won’t sacrifice all for love so his feelings for Lucy Gray are either not real, or even if they are he will ultimately sacrifice her for himself. The finer details are unknown sure, but they’re not enough to sustain a 3hr movie. The rest of the plot and characters therefore need to come in to, like you rightfully say, make the journey fun and interesting. But this is where the rest of the movie lets itself down in that it doesn’t offer enough else. The rest of the tributes we get given no backstory for so we don’t care for them, and the movie rehashes a bunch of stuff the other movies have already done - we know about the poor districts, we’ve seen the draft, we’ve seen the arena, we’ve seen a Capitol member secretly helping a tribute, we’ve even seen the ‘are they truly in love or is it a facade’ angle in Katniss & Peeta. The movie wastes so much time in ‘remember this??’ stuff we’ve already seen, that even with its runtime it doesn’t leave enough to flesh out the relationships between the characters to make us invested in the journey even though we know how it ends.

[@AdmoreMethod]

@@bobs_sa8480If this movie had been what you described in your original post, I think it would’ve been a global smash hit. Maybe even bigger than the originals. Your idea was GREAT!!!

[@markmitchell590]

And yet Star Wars 1-3 has a lead we know will be the Big Bad in IV, so it can be about the journey.

[@guilhermehank4938]

Thats true but we also can make it an enjoyable ride. I mean, people adore S.W ep 3 and yet we know that almost every lead will survive to be in the O.T, including the villain.

[@Gamingraptorpro]

The fact he didn't even put the subtitle of the film because nobody remembered it is hilarious.

[@Oarf_]

I assume the main reason that this movie failed, was the simple fact that it went under the radar. This is honestly the first time i've heard about this movie, and i cant be the only one. The trailer (after watching it before watching this video) actually looks quite interesting, but since we already know what will happen in the future, i dont know how high the curiosity would be even if you know about the movie.

[@33Danso3x]

I actually loved hunger games and I just never got around to it Watched it at home and it was phenomenal in my opinion. A lot of times this guy makes the movies sound stupid or certain plot points seem downplayed Usually he has good criticisms but sometimes I just can’t stand him (maybe I’m bias lol)

[@Mrpeely1]

Its funny you have a opinion without even watching it go watch the movie its dog shit and your a fool for having opinion on it without watching it

[@iiitechnoduckxx3526]

Yeah who cares about any star wars prequel film since "we know what happens" This movie was a HUGE missed opportunity

[@eddobh]

If it was a really good movie, people would talk about. There was not big competition at the time, if I'm not mistaken.

[@firstlast9846]

It’s actually not even a bad movie

[@zom8680]

When a movie makes you go "oh fuck shes singing again " and its not a musical you have a problem. And if its supposed to he a prequel to how Corey became a Hugh Janus in the future it failed miserably. The coin flip from him being happy to see Notness and then suddenly wanting to kill her as laughable

[@agentbertmacklin9880]

You were not paying attention she thought he was gonna kill her (because he murdered his best friend) and he thought she was gonna rat on him.

[@danieldsantiagorodriguez4955]

She was a traveling musician/entertainer, of course she'd sing. Look, I don't like musicals either but you're tripping if you think Lucy's singing was inapropriate for her character.

[@Dagenspear]

@@danieldsantiagorodriguez4955 They didn't say for the character. The character being that doesn't mean someone won't dislike it or not be interested.

[@danieldsantiagorodriguez4955]

@@Dagenspear Great, I'm not saying the OP can't dislike the character. They are entitled to their opinion on that. However, my point is that using that opinion of disliking music inclined characters as a point of criticizing the film as being "bad for it" is lazy at best and dishonest at worst. Me disliking a character's traits or type of personality is a matter of taste. Taste is not a good tool or category if you want to make a genuine criticism of a film.

[@mychannel-rt2gn]

It literally showed perfectly how Coriolanus turned into what he was in the original trilogy. He always had sociopathic tendencies but when he did good it brought him down (letting Sejanus get associated with him made him look suspicious & cheating for Lucy Gray got him sent to District 12) and when he did bad he was rewarded (killing Sejanus and Lucy-Gray got him fame and fortune). And Snow lived his life by those rules ever since.

[@mephista2246]

As a Fan of The Hunger Games Series both in movies and books, I really enjoyed this prequel as a movie adaptation- it was quite faithful to what the books wanted to convey.

[@hanyolo2041]

it is good for who it was made for i guess. I loved it.

[@Hmmmm..ok3]

I was going to read the books then i heard about the film and according to the reception people saying it is very close to the book i expected something and after watching it if this is a good adaption i dont have any interest in reading the book now

[@Bonsaiiiiiiiiiii]

I mean it achieved it's goals, she's making 2 more prequels and 2 more movies, so I'd consider it pretty good

[@JerichoDeath]

I've read the original trilogy (and watched one of the movies), but I didn't even know this existed until Rachel Zegler committed career harakiri.

[@odin_191]

honestly don’t bother even reading Songbirds and Snakes. it’s like a Star Wars situation - pretend it never existed

[@guilhermehank4938]

"Weird? Weird!" That line and that face m#rdered her career

[@Dagenspear]

@@guilhermehank4938 She didn't do anything to anyone by saying that.

[@Dagenspear]

How?

[@mychannel-rt2gn]

It’s crazy you say she committed career suicide when Hollywood is still obsessed with her and her last movie (TBOSAS) was a hit and even made the studio beg Suzanne to write another book for them to adapt. I know a lot of older people and the TikTok hate-train crowd don’t like her, but her career isn’t going anywhere. As long as she has the millions of casual fans she gained from TBOSAS and stan-twitter on her side, she has a stong, LOUD and persistent fanbase.

[@CorelUser]

Banger video as usual. Can't wait for Madame "How to get bullied by the" Web

[@daxspitzfax5476]

I saw Hunger Games 5 in theaters with a bunch of my friends who were Hunger Games fans, I hadn't read the books or seen any of the movies but they explained some of it to me. They loved the movie and I came out thinking it was just okay, and I couldn't really put my finger on why, but you nailed it, love your videos!

[@AhmedZunaid]

"It's Hollywood baby, Weird Weird"

[@isaacmartinez6904]

I believed that the reason why this movie didn’t make tons of money is because people are not into the Hunger Games like they used to. I remember that the Hunger Games got hyped when I was in middle school. Now, all the people who used to love the franchise moved on.

[@lonellfletcher]

$330 million against $100 million isn't a ton?

[@vikramprasanna8908]

@@lonellfletchernope. It barely broke even.

[@geometrydashiuppiter6910]

​@@lonellfletcher No, it isn't. It means it barely broke even.

[@BraveSirBob]

The strike was going on as well.

[@darianstarfrog]

We are too busy living it tbh😂

[@Mr.Linguini]

Bro these ad transitions are seamless, well done my guy 😂

[@themug406]

I prefer when theyre abrupt so its easier to immediately skip 60/90 seconds

[@Deathstroke4200]

What's really missing is original stories! Not continuing IP's to try to keep cash flow. Make up something original! Make your own IP! That would be something intriguing.

[@DoctorBiobrain]

The only reason we’re talking about this movie is because it was based on an existing IP. Hollywood is just giving us what we want.

[@MSgt5J071]

​@@DoctorBiobrainThe feedback I've seen from the fans is they would have rather seen a movie about one of the tributes, like Haymitch or Finnick. But hey, the author gave us a nook about Snow, so they went with what they were given...

[@YourMazzter1]

But are people going to see Original movies and IPs though

[@rakoonshampoo2608]

Okay go watch Argylle and Rebel Moon

[@dragonbornexpress5650]

@@YourMazzter1. Yes They've done so for over a century.

[@Astartes-6969]

I still can't get over Rachel Zegler got an award rather then Keanu Reeves or Tom Cruise. She's a literal industry plant.

[@AdmoreMethod]

A Marxist plant.

[@themug406]

I mean... we know why

[@Astartes-6969]

@@themug406 She's not Jewish. She's literally gone on record supporting Palestine.

[@dawdeuce250]

She's why I didn't watch this movie

[@guilhermehank4938]

"Weird? Weird!" God that punchable face

[@SRow_Plays_Games]

It feels like the classic issue of Hollywood rushing out a first draft then turning it into a movie as fast as possible

[@tjhunter9787]

In hindsight, I think they should've had the prequel focus on haymitch, it doesn't add a terrible amount of worldbuilding of how the hunger games was made/changed. However, Haymitch's mini blurb about his exprience in the games shows a tragedy that fucks him up for life. He is robbed on the star crossed lovers ending that Katniss and Peta had in their games.

[@jasonblundelldobebussing]

Exactly! But I guess the only reason they made this movie is because the original, prequel book sold well. I'd wager that had the author written a prequel book about Haymitch, then the studio would've probably made it.

[@AdmoreMethod]

@@jasonblundelldobebussingAnd, shame on the author for writing a prequel about the single-most boring character from the original series.

[@danieldsantiagorodriguez4955]

I don't think a prequel with Haymitch would be adding much to the franchise. I'd personally see it as a cashgrab or over indulgence (perhaps redundant is a better word). We already know why Haymitch is the way he is. It's why all the victors are the way they are. I read the first 3 books. Haymitch won the 25th Quarter Quell where twice the amount of the number of tributes were reapted (48 in total). I'd be just another big spectacle that ended with yet another deeply traumatized tribute.

[@LineOfThy]

@@AdmoreMethod So... she could make him more interesting? Like seriously do you come from the school of "Don't bother making it better"

[@AdmoreMethod]

@@LineOfThy No. I come from the film school of University of Southern California, where great storytellers like Spielberg, Lucas, Roddenberry, Carpenter, Peckinpah, Landon and Howard all honed their craft. As a Story Analyst, I work way in the background - but, my list of clients and their achievements is still quite impressive. Unfortunately, Woke Hollywood is doing everything in its power to silence great writers. And, of course, we’re seeing the dismal results at the Box Office.

[@egoborder3203]

a good example of the principles you outline would be the Fate anime series. Each season shares some basic elements with each other, but they're pretty different, yet each one does the hard work of investing the audience in the story at hand. There are callbacks to earlier season or foreshadowing to later ones, but they never distract from the present

[@ravenlord4]

I agree. I loved Fate Stay Night, but Fate Zero as a prequel totally blew me away. Not only did FZ stand on its own, it absolutely enriched the entire series as well.

[@SoaringDragon562]

That might have been the smoothest and most impressively integrated sponsor segment I’ve ever seen

[@ryliem.3512]

What made me dislike this movie so much was its lack of intimacy and rawness that the first movie had. The original series had scenes that hit you like a ton of bricks and got you to care about the characters. This movie felt so polished and disingenuous as a viewer. It felt more like a big studio interpretation of The Hunger Games, and less like an addition to the series. ultimately it just felt too disconnected from what so many people loved in the first place.

[@homo-not-so-sapient]

This is so true. I have nothing against the Harry Potter series(I love them) but you wouldn't put THG and HP in the same category other than both being YA right? But to me this movie felt like it goes on the path HP followed rather than THG...even the brutal scenes that were supposed to be raw and shocking felt so performative and hollow...

[@ryliem.3512]

@@homo-not-so-sapient totally agree with you there. Hollow is the exact word i’d use to describe it.

[@hannahstewart671]

despite me enjoying the movie, i felt this way about it while watching it too

[@CoffeeManiac20]

And that’s why it works because is all from the Capitol’s perspective not the districts, we spend more time with characters from the Capitol. The reason the first film worked is because Katniss had all odds against her. For being from the poorest district, a drunk as a mentor, a boy who saved her life which she felt indebted to, so the stakes are higher. The main character is Snow, not Lucy. He’s drive to win and later his descent to evil and rise to power. Think of it as this, if the focus in the original film was on Cato, you wouldn’t find it interesting because he’s practically flawless and powerful, you need a main character that’s relatable not perfect. Look at Snow, from a prestige family, to poverty to prestige again but he wasn’t perfect he had struggles and in the end he realized that being nice wont get you anywhere

[@iantaylor7988]

What's annoying about this movie is that a lot of the context you noted was missing was there in the book, and presented pretty well at that. Despite being a prequel, it actually does a good job of standing on its own without requiring the reader to have read/watch previous Hunger Games stuff.

[@quintessence_sailor]

Trying to turn this into a franchise was the act that made it toxic. The Hunger Games is a single story of a girl forced into a cruel system used as a pawn by higher powers who finds small key moments in which she can act to eventually tear the system down. The system itself isn’t actually interesting or very deep, but it doesn’t matter because the story is about the girl. The worldbuilding only serves to prop up the core of the story-the games. It does. not. merit. further. exploration. I’m not dissing the original story, it just wasn’t made for this purpose and can’t sustain this desperate mining for content.

[@templargfx]

how did they go from this world of old-age CRT tech and horse drawn carts to literal hard holographic technology, virtual pyroteknik clothing and monorail super trains in under one generation

[@kristianawilson9038]

This is based on a fake story in a made up world. Why are you trying to rationalize this 😂😂😂😂 They created super mutts with tribute faces on them for griefs sake

[@blueJay196]

Every time I enjoy something somebody has to come around and tell me how I'm just so stupid for that opinion

[@sand-in-the-timepiece9836]

You can still enjoy something while acknowledging its flaws, my man. Nobody's stupid for liking things. I still love Supernateral while also knowing how unbelievably flawed it is. Its when you (hypothetically. Not saying anything about you in particular, just in general) actively ignore those flaws where problems start to arise. Hope this helps.

[@blueJay196]

@@sand-in-the-timepiece9836 no it makes scenes I mean my wife and I joke about the flaws of everything we watch I write books so I get what your saying it just gets frustrating because there's an echo mentality to these things

[@DieNibelungenliad]

I feel like the movie would be better if it was "Snow the stormtrooper occupying Lucy's hometown" first and the Hunger Games second. That way, we already have Snow and Lucy have motives, feelings, and reasons to trust and distrust each other. It would have made us more invested in the Hunger Games part. Remember, the story is less about the Hunger Games and more about the people who go in.

[@cipsasmiaumiau3773]

4:35 "What is there to be entertained by" Then the arguments are that this would be only interesting because of prior movies. I went to this movie without ever watching any hunger games before and without prior knowledge, thus I was watching this part and the whole movie without the "fact of hunger games". For me specifically those few minutes were very interesting because: of the setting - I was very interested why there are rundown buildings, why are the kids in the middle of a street. I was interested who the person was on the painting and why was he killed. I was interested as to what had happened to cause all of this. I was interested in the now grown up family dynamic, of how they now try to behave like other rich folk and fit in. I was interested why he wanted his education, I was interested in who are the people speaking, so on and on. Later on in the movie I really liked the whole aesthetic, the rundown buildings and the guards. I really liked the conflict between people and seeing how Snow betrays his friends felt like a rollercoaster. Overall I really enjoyed this movie and this was a great introduction to the franchise. After coming home and watching the first hunger games for the first time I was met with disappointment, because it was less of the things I liked.

[@Dairunt1]

The same thing happened for me. I went to see this with my wife because she used to be a fan of the hunger games. My knowledge of the franchise was basically just the meme of Jennifer Lawrence saying "I volunteer" so everything was new to me. I think the movie accomplished what it was trying to achieve. To have people like me interested in the Hunger Games. I ended up watching the other movies on HBO Max. I went it understanding it was a teenage drama, but the dystopian conflict was pretty interesting. I'd certainly wouldn't have mind having a teenage daughter and take her to these movies when they were popular.

[@CrazyWeridoRH]

I would say if a prequel doesn’t add any meaningful recontextualizing or is perfectly capable of being roughly summarized in a paragraph without the need to expand then we don’t really need a prequel.

[@heavycrimson662]

They should’ve made part 1 and 2 one movie and then make part 3 it’s own and it probably would’ve been way better than what we actually got.

[@trinaq]

I actually enjoyed this film, and the fact that we were following the primary antagonist of the franchise, and much like the Star Wars prequels, seeing what led him to the dark side.

[@neoluthuli3254]

You like stupid movies 😢 and you are the problem

[@keanufrance9051]

It’s not tho objectively by logical reasoning

[@tjhunter9787]

I respect your appreciation but I think the problem with having Snow as the protag compared to darth vader was that he wasn't enough of a fan favorite to carry the narrative. The world itself isn't that interesting compared to the original series so the surrounding context of how the hunger games came to be didn't hook the audience enough. If they wanted a prequel, they should've focused on a character more conceptually fascinating like say Haymitch.

[@neoluthuli3254]

You just have terrible taste in movies that all damn

[@rickkcir2]

@@neoluthuli3254 More like you lmao

[@bartrese]

I thought this movie was great 🤷🏽‍♀️. I will say there is something to the comments of the book having more depth but I still liked it! Music was incredible as well

[@kennyholmes5196]

Here's a better version of that phrase: "If ya narratively broke, then ya monetarily broke."

[@SteveBueche1027]

You would think it that type of society Peter Dinkcringe would be first to sacrifice.

[@Elfie1107]

Wait so in the span of 65 years they went from 1920s technology to genetically modifying super powered animals, manipulating landscape, and freaking force field?

[@jasonblundelldobebussing]

3:04 it has no arse, but it must sheit☝️😔

[@g-dog_eswshockwave]

Whether you like this movie or not, Rachel Zegler did not deserve “Best Action Movie Star” at the People’s Choice show over Tom Cruise in MI7.

[@obi-ron]

But could he get onto the stage with his zimmer frame in the time allowed to collect the award? 😅

[@LineOfThy]

Why?

[@Necropheliac]

Mad Men meets the Hunger Games, the Broadway musical. Honestly about 30 seconds after they started singing I turned it off. Not for me.

[@origami83]

they should have made a prequel about the actual war and end it with the first hunger games.

[@kylemang7821]

Probably didn’t have the budget

[@AdmoreMethod]

@@kylemang7821No. It’s because Suzanne Collins wasn’t creative enough.

[@ArDeeMee]

4:05 Oh, that instant flashback to listening to the LotR OST on repeat. Dang, that’s such a recognizable melody! I didn’t expect to be able to pinpoint it within two seconds!

[@johnfelix503]

It's good to have you back Filmento

[@tonatiuhornelas1472]

Rachael Zeigler seems a bit weird to me as a person but i really liked her performance and this movie as a whole. Kind of incredible that you managed to make your main critique that the movie is a prequel that requires some prior knowledge of the past movies to appreciate. I still really enjoyed it. Pacing was pretty solid and I can appreciate how it showed portrayed Snow as the pathetic conniving manipulator he would eventually become

[@pushobjective4857]

I actually liked the movie more than I expected, but the bad marketing and Zegler's reputation didn't help the movie

[@the-nige]

I absolutely love your edits. They are hilarious and brilliantly done

[@FrozenSkyes1]

The movie failed because we liked the actor that played the main character in the first one and they thought it was way more than just that and that we cared about the world of the hunger games...before her...that's wild

[@vehzee]

Jennifer Lawrence has literally nothing to do with the success of the books or the first movie. If anything the franchise gave her a bigger name not the other way around.

[@MylesKillis]

@@vehzeeehhhh they both helped each other. Hence why she’s transcended the franchise.

[@AdmoreMethod]

@@vehzeeCasting has EVERYTHING to do with a film’s success - which is why they spend an enormous amount of time and money looking for just the right person. Yes, the book sold millions - but, the movie was watched by billions - and, that had nothing to do with the books. It had everything to do with who they cast. And, in the case of this movie… they cast the second-most-hated female in Hollywood. That was financial ruin.

[@FrozenSkyes1]

@AdmoreMethod this guy understands the way this works. The actor in this recent movie was very repulsive, and that was just based on her own words.

[@FrozenSkyes1]

@vehzee as was said, a movie and a book ain't the same. The movie's success overshadowed the books completely, and the screenplay for this recent movie was also very bad

[@Wickedincarnate]

Imagining Snow having to get the things from Bespoke Post sounds like an interesting story somebody should make a movie out of that

[@strangeloveofnevada]

Does Rachel Zegler look like the kind of person who could hold her own in a fight while wearing a dress?

[@kendra_t]

Why IS she the only one dressed like she came from a Ren Faire?

[@oneoranota]

To be fair, I haven't seen the movie but in those scenes, she looks like a cold blooded psychopath who can't wait to get to murder time. If I see a girl as happy as her to be in the Hunger Game, I'll be running in the opposite direction as fast as I can.

[@DudleyDawg]

Apparently it was enough to convince people to vote her for best action star at the People's Choice awards over certified action stars like Keanu Reeves and Tom Cruise.

[@mychannel-rt2gn]

@@kendra_tdid you even watch the movie? they explained all of that. And if you didn’t watch the movie then at least google your question before you start yapping

[@animula6908]

No. Not while wearing anything. Not naked either. 🤮

[@stewieboo]

Thanks for the analysis. I thought I was going crazy when pretty much everyone around me enjoyed the movie while I felt nothing for any of the characters.

[@animula6908]

“It’s just a bunch of scenes set in the franchise’s world.” Thank you for summing up every franchise movie ever for me. So nicely said!

[@kurdtcoben]

13:09 What the actual fuck is that choreography?

[@user-x7dc2pq7n]

"Don't ask questions, just consume product and get excited for new product"

[@LineOfThy]

If you noticed, they're not fighters

[@LineOfThy]

@@user-x7dc2pq7n That's cool and all if any of y'all actually bothered to ask any meaningful questions

[@Nixerman]

I saw this movie with such low expectations that I was kinda okay with it. And immediately was erased from my brain.

[@IsaacPEF]

Wait, I didn't knew there was a new movie literally called "The new one"

[@ThriceTheWinnower]

This makes Snow's fascination with Katniss kind of weird, in context. Especially since she the girl doesn't even have many parallels with Katniss. Don't know why people would want to watch a prequel with no sci-fi tech, no extravagant clothes, and boring characters. This movie is probably only good for trolling value

[@AdmoreMethod]

Suzanne Collins was a complete moron to make this book about the single-most uninteresting character from the previous series.

[@danieldsantiagorodriguez4955]

In many ways, it's an origins film. It's the capitol before it became what we know it to be. I truely don't know why people were expecting more or less the same tone of the othere movies on a prequel that's supposed to show the world when it was just begining to form.

[@lavinder11]

It wasnt medicore, but there seemed to be more of a story that deserved more screen time.

[@Yikkoofficial]

Your edits make me lmao. The Shire music when you’re explaining the dark days section 😅😅😅

[@jonofthehill]

I am glad for this video. This movie was on my list but now that I know it is only about the establishment of the Hunger Games for less than 20 minutes I am done and won't waste my time. I've seen three Hunger Games, why do I need another one? The development of the world is what a prequel should be, like (even though they're unliked by many) the Star Wars prequels.

[@eddobh]

If the fight scene at 2:40 is a sample of the overall quality of the movie, maybe calling it mediocre is kinda generous.

[@janikesina7813]

12:53 i was scared shitless when THIS popped out of nowhere! Please warn about jumpscares

[@funwithtropes69]

Can't believe that Rachel Zegler won an award that should've been given to the qualified people listed below: Keanu Reeves: Does most of his stunts, practices in weapons and fire arms demonstration to make combat realistic on film, creates a character that revivied the dying action film genre. Tom Cruise: Literally does insane stunts such as climbing the Burj Khalifa, hanging on a plane, swimming underwater for seven minutes, jumps off a helicopter, pilots a helicopter, jumps off a mountain on a motorcycle, and fires his own insurance company to do all the stuff mentioned. No hate in her, but it's weird.

[@AdmoreMethod]

Weird. Weird.

[@JachymorDota]

The most entertaining part of the movie was the setup for the ad-read.

[@swaggery]

I agree. It was fun to watch, but overall it felt like a mildly interesting history lesson on Snow.

[@Mustafa_AhmedPGH]

Honestly, even though I enjoyed the movie, I'm starting to think it might have been carried by my investment in seeing Snow's rise, and how he came to be the tyrant he is in the main series.

[@IIIEquilibrium]

It feels like the name Lucy Grey was said 100 times in the film, as if the audience would immediately forget the name.

[@mozax8118]

Rachel Zeagler really ruined her career with her interesting "opinions". Leading her to be essentially fired from Pattington 3. Also I heard that she (I think) recently won best action star, weird, weird. PLEASE DO MADAM WEB!!!!

[@LordofSadFac]

And she might be kicked out of the new Snow White remake, as her own mouth seems to have caused a sea of controversies around it.

[@elijoslyn1786]

I wonder if people consider would consider this cancel culture.

[@upfulsoul826]

You can't even spell her name. She has me as fan. She's very popular. Of course, she will have haters too.

[@upfulsoul826]

@@elijoslyn1786 It is cancel culture. He mentioned people hate her for her "opinions" which are most probably about feminism or diversity.

[@AdmoreMethod]

@@upfulsoul826No. Her opinions are anti-American. She’s woke af. And, Americans are fed up with all this Marxist shhit.

[@motomoto4361]

Hearing The Spot host the hunger games was probably the most entertaining part for me

[@jabbawookeez01]

i forgot this movie came out. rachel zegler really did unite everyone against her. 💀💀

[@thexsoar]

I didn't even know this movie existed.

[@simonl2072]

They would have had more luck rebooting twilight

[@Jonathan-gn8uu]

Movies based on books are so hard, because it requires the story to happen in the same way, but then you get way less time to actually develop it.

[@danillerobertson9790]

This movie was pretty good for being cut down so much. The book was amazing.

[@ECKohns]

Suzanne Collins decided to publish another Hunger Games book 6 years after the world stopped giving a shit. And then the movie comes out 3 years later after the public becomes even more apathetic.

[@pablocardona8158]

This is the first time in all of my years watching Filmento that I have to disagree with one of his videos I watched the movie when it came out and it was honestly pretty amazing to see how Snow slowly becomes the man that we know from the Hunger Games. I'm not a particular die-hard fan of this franchise but it really helped the World building watching how the tributes and The Hunger Games were handled before the reconstitution that's no made it really adds a lot to the story

[@vehzee]

Agreed. I realize his videos get a lot more views when he calls things a "failure" but it's actually sad to have a negative analysis on so many good movies just for clicks

[@AdmoreMethod]

@@vehzeeI don’t know. He “liked” Oppenheimer - not because it was a good movie, but because if he’d told all the things wrong with it, he would’ve lost half his audience. So, he plays the game both ways.

[@deltaforce4361]

Glad to see you haven’t changed much from your Underwater review 😊

[@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511]

Yo cuando vi las películas de juegos del hambre por primera vez yo queria alguna precuela que nos explicara como este mundo se creo y se formo

[@danieldsantiagorodriguez4955]

Si en algún momento puedes, te recomiendo que leas los libros. Añaden muchísimo más contexto y riqueza a lo que establecen las películas.

[@terranhealer]

Remembering the very first hunger games I was gripped by the characters and their situations.

[@lisaleyendekker8305]

This movie doesn't exist in a vaccum, there's a whole trilogy giving context and this prequel is president Snow's story. Filmento just can't say "I don't know what's happening" when the trilogy and the prequel are connected. the movie literally says this is the 10th hunger games while Katniss' games were the 74th and 75th. it's almost like Filmento is not paying attention to the movies and says they are bad just because he can't put two and two together

[@danieldsantiagorodriguez4955]

Yup! I was puzzled at him not connecting with the little girl on the game as a tribute. The reaping or "draft", as he puts it, takes from the existing population of 12 to 18 year old children (I believe even younger for the earlier Huger Games). I'm pretty sure this very film makes mention of it so I really don't know why he seems confused at certain things that are explained in the fim.

[@zaxoraGaming]

​@@danieldsantiagorodriguez4955 His opinion is full of contradictions either way. He first complains the first 13 minutes show nothing and are boring - then later complains he doesn't get why the Capitol people hate the Rebels. It's like a schoolboy writing a bookreport the night before the assignment based only on summaries.

[@KeithFraser82]

I think his point is that the movie doesn't stand alone enough, the way (say) the first Star Wars prequel can. Someone who hasn't seen or even just doesn't fully remember the originals won't have the relevant information, so it makes sense to convey some of it, at least visually. More generally, he always asks "why should I care?" questions, even when answers are theoretically present in the movie, because what he means is that the movie (in his opinion) doesn't give the audience enough emotional reason to care.

[@narendramartosudarmo6112]

I’m guessing Filmento will rip “Madame Web” apart in one of two months?

[@Goozero1]

Cornholio Snow

[@herbertwalter8693]

Cornetto Snow

[@DinocrocutaGigantea]

I thought I would hate this movie as well but it turns out to be an entertaining movie.

[@dixieflatline1189]

Missing one thing:- Jennifer Lawrence was a genuine star in the making, similar to say Zendaya today. Rachel Zegler simply hasn't the star power & has faced a lot of scrutiny over public comments. Can she open a movie? Not yet, that's for sure

[@animegodz6981]

GO MID. GO BROKE

[@dembro27]

Be Mid, Make Shid

[@yurikendal4868]

I dont understand. Snow was not meant to be deeply investigated. He was who was for his story. We do we need to know more about him? We dont.

[@ExSpoonman]

"although I've never read the books" And that's when I stopped giving a damn about your opinion.

[@JustACactus616]

This movie/book is a drama, not adventure. It doesn’t have to be exciting, just interesting. Plus the book makes everything way better since it can actually explain everything

[@FoxyGuyHere]

Loved the movie. Much better than the originals.

[@DeeganJango]

I love how you integrate your sponsor ads into the narrative itself. So much better than random ads disrupting the flow. Well done, sir!

[@DrDiscourse]

Rachel Zegler is so seriously unlikable and self righteous. No wonder this failed with her as a lead. She will be a better actress IF she calms down a bit and grows up.

[@gronthgronth2628]

i mean, Rachel Zegler did not help the movie either. Not only was she probably one of the most disliked actress at the moment, due to her.... words about some works of art, she really ahs only 2 modes of her performance. 1 is "i look shocked like a mentally challenged person that does not realise the gravity of the situation" 2 is "i look like a know-it-all smartass, who is patronising you with every glance".