Film Theory: Uncovering Top Gun's HIDDEN Enemy! (Top Gun Maverick)

[@yasualleonandabunchofnumbers]

Matt: "I'm also going to add China" *Ten seconds later* Also Matt: "We can immediately eliminate China" Love it 👍

[@bransonries2774]

Gotta keep up friendly relations

[@TheAverageLobster]

Canada Geo:check Near russia:check Has a coast:check Could possibly get a f 14 from usa:check I know it now it's clear

[@Dexter037S4]

@@TheAverageLobster All US F-14s were shredded in 2006, leaving Iran as the only choice

[@TheAverageLobster]

My reply is a joke

[@aerospacematt]

@@Dexter037S4 Yeah “Shredded” is a good way to put it!

[@Apollo-zc2rj]

Fun Fact: There is (or at least was) a hot dog stand in the center of the Pentagon, and was one of the busiest parts of the building. It was so busy that the Soviet Union thought it was the entrance to a secret underground bunker, and as such constantly had an ICBM pointed straight at that one hot dog stand.

[@dontreadprofilephoto1728]

Ok dont read my name😑.........

[@aBadWizard]

Report all these bots

[@okanimator]

Ok

[@thatkidoverthere2564]

Yeah reporting bots… understood

[@calebfarmer176]

Episode II: The Bot Wars

[@Gillymonster18]

The sweat issue in the original is a legit thing: they’re in the middle of the desert and gov buildings that likely don’t have AC or in the heart of an aircraft carrier in the Pacific Ocean where the functionality of any AC on the boat is definitely questionable.

[@haroldb1856]

The real enemy is humidity.

[@unknownnln9172]

I can attest the desert is hot and government ac sucks... unless you have a bunch of brass then your ac will work well and so will the window unit in their office.

[@EEEEEEEE]

E‎

[@BastardOfTheNorth]

So that's why Slider stank so bad

[@memesfromdeepspace1075]

No ........the answer is ........ITS introduction to homosexuality

[@rayvinpister2874]

I’m really hoping someday we’ll get a theory on how Maverick survived being ejected out of an exploding jet going Mach 10. I’m so certain it shouldn’t be possible but I’d love to have it explained

[@zacharyzientko2277]

At thats high of an altitude the atmosphere prob made it closer to a space walk than anything else

[@404cheeseburgernotfound5]

maybe it ejects the cockpit instead of the seat

[@tronam]

It’s a plot hole, but who cares. It was awesome. Not everything needs to make sense.

[@carllyngholm5568]

Surviving being ejected out of a plane going Mach 10 is NOT possible in real life. So... simplest explanation is that it's a movie, and therefore not necessarily chained to the laws of physics. However, (and you may have heard this theory at this point), some people think that Maverick actually DOES die at this point and the rest of the movie is essentially a last dying "fever dream" where he reconciles with two of the people in his life that he felt most ostracized from (Rooster and Peggy), so he can die in peace, basically. Interesting, but I personally subscribe to the "it's only a movie" position.

[@tronam]

@@carllyngholm5568 The only time a plot "flaw" takes me out of a movie is if I'm no longer emotionally engaged with it and any sense of verisimilitude is gone. In general I find the pursuit of them to be a pointless intellectual exercise that does nothing to enhance the experience and only distracts from it. Movies are artifice by nature and my suspension of disbelief only works if I can accept them on their own terms. Most of my favorite films are filled with contrived conveniences, unrealistic dialog and impossible circumstances, but I can usually forgive and accept all of that as long as they convincingly resonate with emotional or thematic truth. When watching a magic show I don't want to know how the tricks are done; I want to be tricked because my desire to experience a sense of wonder and amazement is why I went to the show in the first place.

[@stevemanart]

Fun Fact! The original Top Gun is a movie you will see at least three times a year every year if you are ever stationed on a Naval Aviation base or carrier.

[@reentrysfs6317]

Actually?

[@roberthagley9803]

@@reentrysfs6317 Yeah lol nothing like coming down the flight deck, tired and hot af, trying to watch a movie on channel 3 for chow and Top Gun or Midway is on

[@reentrysfs6317]

@@roberthagley9803 okay

[@brrrrrr]

_crosses navy off of the list of possible careers_

[@overworkedcat9779]

@LakehuntistEpic but did I ask

[@HolySoliDeoGloria]

0:55 You missed some "too darn sweaty" scenes from the original that would have been really appropriate to make your point: The personnel in the combat information center on the carrier are all sweating profusely, yet they are in spaces on the carrier that are kept VERY cold (no matter the weather outside) to protect all the computers and electronic equipment.

[@kh4n223]

People get sweaty when stressed.

[@Menno_3]

@Pastry Imagine misinterpreting a correction as being offended

[@thesuperintendent4290]

@@kh4n223 Also when they are in the Pacific, is very stressed and some people are just sweaty and greasy all the time.

[@revimfadli4666]

Cold sweat that doesn't evaporate due to cold & humid air?

[@kh4n223]

@@thesuperintendent4290 yeah people just sweaty, I can vouch

[@unrealreality232]

As an Iranian og watcher of the channel and some one who keeps up with news, the moment matpat talked about F-14 and the desire to attain nukes; I was %100 sure that it was my homeland. Great video matpat, you explained it very well for people who don't know much about geo-politics & middle eastern countries.

[@mobinmortazavi2726]

I'm from Iran to and my dad pointed it out to me

[@Dictator_Pirate271]

Same here bro as soon as he described it I knew it was Iran lol

[@NaughtyNovaroo69]

yeah, cause when he said all 9 countries that the USA Gov said were rogue states, I knew it had to be Iran cause I knew they had a snowy pine mountain biome similar to the trailers and etc. but if his last comment about the arstoska symbol then that wouldn't work cause they will need to get the rights and somehow make sure the owner of the game and idea makes sure that it makes sense in the timeline. also, why haven't anyone talked about the symbol???

[@hresvelgr7193]

Iran is the only real candidate thanks to it's F-14s. No other country in the world has a flyable F-14

[@mehrasmeydani2739]

Everyone from Iran guessed it the moment they saw the title

[@esceneknausicalci]

When I saw the Tomcat, I immediately knew it the Hidden Enemy was Iran.

[@bread-sm3mv]

how

[@LimitlessEntertainment_]

⁠tomcats are a rare breed nowadays, Iran is the only place that still flys it @@bread-sm3mv

[@milesryuunosuke3579]

​@@bread-sm3mv Iran still operates F-14s to this day. Although they're falling apart due to no spare parts.

[@Frostgamer-ox9cs]

Same bro

[@jeffreyc2074]

Ditto. Given they had F-14's it has to be the only country that has F-14's

[@adventurerwithacoolhat2531]

As someone who works in the theaters: I say that normally movies have a falloff period of 3 weeks where numbers go down. Top Gun had over 2 months before it would even remotely fall off. It’s still going big.

[@djramz3]

Watched yesterday for the 3rd time, still got goosebumps in certain scenes, truly a remarkable movie

[@yizzardpalmero]

Yeah I tried to go see it like two weeks ago because I heard it was going out of theaters so I showed up on a Tuesday and the theater was sold out. I was super shocked, but turns out it wasnt going out of theaters yet so I just went the next week. (Bought tickets beforehand this time) the theater wasnt sold out but was still fairly full

[@RandomRothbardian]

It’s action and nostalgia charged with patriotism mixed in the only people who wouldn’t like it are far left individuals and a senile high ranking public official whom shall be referred to as “Brandon”

[@EEEEEEEE]

‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎E‎

[@tundraart2693]

@@RandomRothbardian i am super far left and loved the movie. My friends who are super far left loved the movie. Its a good movie. Just because i think america isnt a good country doesnt mean i hate everything about it.

[@parsashojai6945]

Watched this movie with my parents (we're iranian). When it got to the scene of them explaining the geography and political situation me and my dad looked at each other immediately and said Iran.

[@ASLTheatre]

Sorry to make you feel uncomfortable.

[@AdmiralBonetoPick]

@@ASLTheatre Did you write the film?

[@ASLTheatre]

@@AdmiralBonetoPick No, it was meant to apologize if Parsa felt self conscious or negative feelings as a result of this video.

[@kolinmartz]

@@ASLTheatre but did you do it?

[@ASLTheatre]

@@kolinmartz I was simply trying to show empathy.

[@ryanfriedrich6634]

There's no way Matt isn't on the CIA watch list.

[@FreakingFrackingNerd]

🤣

[@brrrrrr]

He's gonna find classified files for one of his theories one of these days

[@unreachablesecretary]

@@Tyrichyrich Exactly, this video just scratches the surface of why he probably IS on the list

[@jackofalltradeshermes]

​@@Tyrichyrich including the fact he spawned Ash from his imagination

[@93Hexer]

If the CIA subscribes to the Channel they can watch so long they want to

[@Matthew-qx3dh]

I thought the enemy was Arstotzka from Papers, Please. The insignia on the enemy 5th gen fighters really looked like their flag and the Eastern European setting of the country can match the setting of the movie

[@albertmanafi4854]

I’m half-Iranian and my first thought after seeing the movie was…”uh yep, that’s Iran all right” glad to know MatPat thinks the same 💀

[@tommybell3334]

Yeah I mean this video honestly king of over does it. As soon as I heard they where a nation in the Middle East trying ti create nukes it was sorta obvious

[@camharkness]

@@tommybell3334 he's also trying to teach people stuff, along with the theories.

[@prinz4279]

@LakehuntistEpic bot

[@Faun471]

@LakehuntistEpic k

[@iraniangovernment2592]

Kinda obvious

[@kazanzylo175]

I had thought Iran was the hidden enemy, not just because of the nuclear facility, but as a kid playing with his toy airplane, my favorite fighter jet: the Tomcat f-14. Iran is the only country on the planet that still has that aircraft in use.

[@jaymeister4850]

The F-14 is STILL my favourite fighter ever. Also, this is the reason why we won't ever get retired F-14 warbirds. Each and every last one has been scrapped, so that Iran can't wangle a way to get spares

[@MikeyDL69]

I knew it as soon as they laid out the conflict. I guess history class wasn’t completely useless.

[@kazanzylo175]

@@MikeyDL69 yeah! 😄

[@kazanzylo175]

@@jaymeister4850 yep, but I'm sure going to miss it

[@funveeable]

The Iran Nuclear Deal would allow Iran to enrich the uranium and build every component for a nuke and the only thing it doesn't allow is the final assembly. It's like how California bans automatic weaponry but they allow me to have all the components to assemble the weapon with no problem. Assembly takes a few hours. A nuke, maybe a few days.

[@forsakenpath4992]

As someone who lives in Washington, watching the final battle was pretty funny. I hike a lot in the area where they filmed, and I could actually recognize some of the peaks and the lake (Lake Kachess). Afterwards, my dad and I joked that the "enemy" was Cascadia- look up Cascadia independence if you aren't familiar. 😆

[@justduck4504]

mmmmm project wingman

[@grigss3027]

Oh god just hope that tom cruise wont activate a cordium deposit

[@cocobob6025]

holy you could be in it

[@butydoe750]

@@justduck4504 monarch

[@TREX_04]

Or play project wingman

[@scaryespacio285]

When I saw the Arstotzka symbol I was like “GLORY TO ARSTOTZKA” lol

[@Vennnaya]

Really want tom cruise to say that now in the next top gun lmao.

[@randomgo1238]

were you now 😄😄😄? stfup now 😄😄😄😄😄

[@unknownvariable9239]

This movie was the first movie in a long time that feels like a blockbuster. Practical really has a difference

[@dontreadprofilephoto1728]

Ok dont read my name😑.........

[@Laurenmettke]

I agree! It was the first movie in a long time that was truly amazing!

[@kinoirvoidjustice]

preceded by blade runner 2049

[@jakeorb771]

Idk man, Dune was also genius. But that was 2021 so it seems like there is 1 per year

[@hippityhoppityyourbrainisn4384]

I see that you are some guy without a mustache 2.0

[@thewhiteknight6169]

When I first saw the movie, I had my suspicions that it was based on Iran the second I heard "nuclear enrichment facility," only to seal the deal with the fact that the enemy had F-14s on the front line. Iran is pretty much the only country that currently uses the F-14, so starting with that point would have made this video much shorter. Still, its so nice to see a Top Gun Maverick video, so thanks!

[@zacharybaker770]

not pretty much the only country, the only country. not even the US uses them anymore.

[@emlynselene1096]

I suspected it due to the bit about breaking international treaties (I thought of the Iran Nuclear Deal specifically). A lot of the other stuff MattPat mentioned further sealed the deal

[@Lucas-lq9cn]

su 57 means it has to be russia as a part

[@Lucas-lq9cn]

russia and iran both

[@MichaelRosenblum_Emp500]

Thought the EXACT same thing nearly to a T, but I first about the F14s being used by only Iran (I’m a military aviation nerd and knew this as background knowledge before watching the film)

[@koc988]

People who are military aviation geeks and have been paying attention to politica probably picked up immediately that mountains next to a coast and F-14 and a desire to attain nuclear weapons mean it's Iran they are the only nation that has that combo and and especially the F-14 in a *reportedly flyable condition

[@RRninja-jq6lp]

They are flying them. They have recently reactivated couple of them with help of 3d printing. Apparently they have 34 flying units. Thanks to russian supply of remanufactured engines and compatible missiles Iranians plan on flying them to 2030's

[@josh_jc_cheng]

as a military aviation geek, I thought matt will come up with another answer, but a simple "Iran operates F-14" wastes 14 minutes of my time lmfao

[@wavebuilder14udc75]

Yeahh i don’t wanna sound like a wise-a$$ but i think this one was kinda easy to guess haha, im an avgeek and as soon as i heard they had F14s i immediately thought Iran when i watched the movie. But to those who aren’t in the Aviation community or to those who aren’t familiar with politics, this is a cool way to break it down i guess. Perhaps the enemy in the original movie is a little more elusive.

[@mighty_bomber5907]

Thought exactly the same thing.

[@Seastallion]

F-14 was definitely a dead giveaway.

[@RewindOGTeeHee]

Matpat is over here proving why the military releases only minimal information for the public 💀

[@chickaboom163]

Finally! Ever since watching the movie such a question had been bugging me. Especially when I couldn't identify the tags while watching. Still doesn't fill the gap of finding out the Darkstar wasn't in any way a legitimate plane. Rather by the looks of it based around the stealth plane of urban legend called the Aurora. I would still rather choose that design over the more real SR-72 concepts.

[@wolfergaming409]

Long comments

[@wh0_am_152]

If not related to the SR72 project (which is supposed to be autonomous or remotely controlled) it is probably more related to the ongoing NGAD program. Now likely darkstar is just a one off as they say. P.S. Iran was the only nation that the U.S. sold F14s to.

[@110100111000]

Decided to look up C&C Generals Aurora quotes so I might as well post the link. m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGHSkoGGntKNq68

[@jamesrosewell9081]

The Darkstar was invented for the movie by actual Skunkworks designers and the prop plane actually fooled Chinese spy satellites for a bit

[@JoshDownin]

The Darkstar is the SR-72. It has the looks, and both the Darkstar and SR-72 are hypersonic programs

[@jmuench420]

To me it was incredibly obvious that the answer was Iran as I was watching the movie. Iran has been enriching uranium and the US and Israel have alluded to the possibility of a strike on their nuclear facilities. Then the F-14 was a dead give away. The snowy mountains did throw me off but apparently Iran fits the bill there as well

[@MrWarrenRB]

Agreed, it’s not rocket science. Iran has been trying to enrich uranium for a long time.

[@frostdeeer]

But how do you explain Su-57 tho? At the moment only russia operates them

[@mobiusflammel9372]

@@frostdeeer The movie doesn't have to be 1:1 with reality. There is no nation on Earth that has both the F-14 and an Su-57. The Russians arguably don't even have production Su-57's. Iran is the closest fit though.

[@frostdeeer]

@@mobiusflammel9372 you are right. Also I have questions about S-125 since iran doesn't use them either but yeah, if you look at all the data in the film it is probably iran they are fighting against

[@thefolder69]

@@frostdeeer Russia doesn't operate the Su-57 either, since they aren't in production yet. honestly they probably won't be for quite a while. but movies are less interesting when the antagonists have realistic tech...

[@benlondon800]

Fun fact, the taco bell used to be at the pentagon but currently its closed. The other restaurants MatPat mentioned are still operating though.

[@SergeantMcClain]

The was also a Best Buy at one point and a CVS

[@anubusx]

Their toilets could not handle it.

[@raawesome3851]

How do you know?

[@brittbereading3450]

So their toilets WERENT, in fact, as strong as their airforce XD

[@puppysnuppy]

I’ve been in the pentagon foodcourt and I can confirm that there’s a Taco Bell and other fast food brands

[@dookydealer7334]

Mav actually has a 3rd mef patch on his jacket, which made the whole korea thing in the first one a little more obvious than you might think. Because the 3rd mef or (marine expeditionary force) is located in Okinawa Japan. Sooo that means it's possible he was on the 31st meu at the period the first movie is set. (I know he is a navy pilot and not a marine, but I figured it's a way to connect the dots.)

[@xTriniT]

When I saw the movie I originally thought it would’ve been China, but Iran would also make sense given the terrain. As always great video Matt 👍

[@osmosisjones4912]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/oaLSloRth52nqas is finally here

[@BullGator-kd6ge]

China already has nukes so no dice

[@ramonandrajo6348]

I am in favor of Iran having nuclear weapons; It is always good to defend yourself from the bad guys, that is USA and Israel.

[@Frontier327]

@@ramonandrajo6348 Nukes are bad for anyone to have.

[@jacobzucker4938]

And iran is the only country flying f-14s

[@SilverViper219]

As an Iranian native, as I saw the movie I immediately knew where this was supposed to be! You're right on the money Matt! Just one correction, although it's written as IRAN, it is NOT pronounced "I-Ran", the correct pronunciation is "E-Run". I know, confusing... but that's how that is!

[@shturm602]

TIL that Iran has terrain like that

[@heatengine9283]

More like 'E-raan'

[@willarterberry3392]

@@shturm602 it's a common misconception that the mid-east is all just a big hot desert with lots of camels

[@alahsiaboi8909]

Showing the appropriate pronounciation is not confusing dude

[@dolphingoreeaccount7395]

Wait THAT'S how you pronounce it? And of all people I should have guessed- I have an "a" in my name and often pronounce it that way (American) Then again, I don't speak Farsi

[@migueldevera5080]

Matpat whenever a new movie comes out: "There are movies like you in every generation, and I've theorized with every last one of them"

[@NexeL_NKC]

That's the best comment I've read all day lol. Mihaly's line is so perfect like this.

[@DasBlarcy]

Was not expecting an ace combat reference here

[@TacticalAnthony]

"Those who get untheorized by Matpat start to think they're invincible. I bet you do, too, buddy."

[@blu5021]

@@NexeL_NKC we need a matpat project wingmane video.

[@armoturo7578]

[@dingusmann3003]

i like how matt couldve just used the fact they had tomcats as an immediate decider but he makes it more complicated than it has to be. though one detail- matt says theyre using F18 hornets at 10:09, thats not entirely accurate. If we wanna be pedantic, theyre using F/A 18 E Superhornets

[@bradyhughes4831]

Me and my brother are both military fanatics. My father was also in the air force to. It was very fun to watch top gun and we loved pointing out some of the things in it like how Maverick flys by the tower, and If you did that in real life, you'd be kicked out of the Air Force. Basically, Maverick actually wouldn't be here

[@inorite4553]

Buzzing the Tower would lead to him being relieved of duty and court martialed

[@NightmareShadows13]

Legal Eagle did a great video on that. Maverick would be lucky if he was court-martialed and dishonorably discharged. If they really were at war, he could have been executed.

[@mobius7089]

@@NightmareShadows13 hahahahah, yeah no

[@bradyhughes4831]

@LakehuntistEpic what

[@monroerobbins7551]

First he defies the odds on the mission, let’s see if he can defy the odds of not getting kicked out of the Air Force.

[@Koda4507]

Really happy to see MatPat know about Papers, Please. It's a great game. Edit: wow, this is the first time I’ve gone over 50 likes, let alone 300, thanks y’all for the like, it means a lot.

[@Koda4507]

I mean, it’s short and subtle, but it’s there

[@jason4443]

@@fighter_750 Way to show you didn't finish the video before commenting, lol.

[@trentacion7603]

@@Koda4507 definitely not subtle

[@Koda4507]

@@trentacion7603 know what, yeah. I’ll retract my statement

[@gamerafton]

he played it before i think since mark and jack played it

[@MGRMoviesLOL]

From the first viewing of the movie i was already convinced it was Iran. But additional fact that makes Iran the enemy in the movie, is the fact that the fictional mig-28s in the first movie are actually F-5s, which Iran ALSO operates to this day. they only reverse engineered them and called it the HESA Saeqeh.

[@osmosisjones4912]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/oaLSloRth52nqas is finally here

[@shengkunlin5658]

I was going to say the same, it’s the only one to operate f14s so it’s a easy pick.

[@AICW]

But the F-5 is used by tons of nations. I've read a good theory that the enemy in the first movie was actually South Yemen, a now defunct communist state. It was an Indian Ocean state and flew F-5s. South Yemen today no longer exists after it and North Yemen were united together as Yemen in 1990.

[@itsjustbenji.]

As a Washingtonian, it was pretty cool to find out that some of Top Gun 2, my most favorite movie currently, was filmed in the state I live in!

[@godismyjudge4964]

I’m a fan of the F-14 primarily because of Top Gun. I instantly fell in love with the transforming wing design and fortunately for me just about every Ace Combat game has that jet as an unlockable! When I finally get some spare change I’m definitely buying Maverick on blue Ray. Hopefully there will be a bundle with the original too!

[@gramiticallyuncorrectchann6416]

There’s also a top gun dlc

[@lukereyes6266]

and project wingman has an F14 but it's not called the f14 due to copyright

[@Sekir80]

I liked Top Gun, of course, but for a Tomcat film I'm always falling back to Final Countdown.

[@Eagle_the_18th]

For those wondering how Iran operates F-14s, prior to the Iranian Revolution of 1979, the US-friendly government had managed to arrange a purchase of 80 F-14 Tomcats along with their weaponry and equipment. When the revolution happened they still retained these F-14s to this day but only have around 24 currently active.

[@DISTurbedwaffle918]

It's like how a lot of Al Qaeda's equipment was our from when Osama was fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan.

[@Copperkaiju]

@@DISTurbedwaffle918 Didn't we also give a bunch of weapons to Venezuela?

[@DISTurbedwaffle918]

@@Copperkaiju We've given weapons to basically everyone lol

[@TreeBarkSide]

Just a quick note: When they launched their revolution, they only got 79 of their jets, and the US canceled the shipment of the 80th plane and kept it. Also, this is why there are no more flying F-14s anywhere in the world except for Iran, because the US government in 2006 when they retired the Tomcat, feared that Iran would get spare parts to keep their jets in service.

[@AA-xo9uw]

~40 in flyable condition with the IRIAF. They lost one back in June near Isfahan.

[@smalltime0]

The first had the soundtrack, Maverick had the nostalgia. The first film was obviously NK, back in the day I argued in bars with my friends about it. But the Iranian Tomcats have been heavily upgraded to the point that Maverick couldn't fly it. Also a lot of them are missing replacement parts. He'd have a better chance flying in a MiG-25. Which would indicate Syria. It is Iran though, obviously. Also the film lacked "Danger Zone", it should have been on loop.

[@chazchoo99]

Danger Zone is literally the first song that plays in the movie, during the montage of jets taking off from and landing on a carrier.

[@PUNISHERMHS_2021]

Danger Zone played in the beginning, first song

[@alekostrovsky9212]

Syrian no have Mig 25

[@smalltime0]

@@chazchoo99 AND IT WASN'T ON LOOP

[@DrumickD]

@@smalltime0 And? You said it lacked it. But it didn’t.

[@shadowguy321]

Fun fact for anyone who is unaware. The mission can and would be carried out by 5th gen fighters such as F22 and/or F35. However both of those planes are single seat. Since they had the actors in the Jets literally flying they had to change it to F18s which are 2 seat configuration for obvious reasons

[@DerUnbbekante]

The f22 isn't carrier capable.

[@chrisvossler8795]

When I first read the title, my initial assumption was that the "hidden enemy" would be G-forces!

[@Cinkodacs]

Yeah that hypersonic turn Mav did at the beginning... probably way over 10G. More like 20 or 30... at least.

[@kalle5548]

@@Cinkodacs I don’t remember it, but the Swedish JAS39 Gripen has a soft limiter at 9G and allow the pilot to continue to 12G before hitting a hard limiter, so not entirely realistic structurally in a spy plane, the pilot could realistically do 12G at least with proper Gstrain and Gsuit

[@mohammadshaaban1771]

I guess the pentagon is developing anti-exploding toilets

[@thenextgeneration4303]

How much money do I have to pay to get that

[@brandonotto1461]

Lol

[@brahmkumariekowlessar7347]

This was a bot zone

[@revillus8173]

@@brahmkumariekowlessar7347 Warzone*

[@NexeL_NKC]

With this theory on Top Gun, it makes me want a theory on Ace Combat 7 from you, but considering how passionate and knowledgeable the fanbase of Ace Combat is, I fear it turning into another Dark Souls type situation where Matpat is scared off from ever trying to tackle the series again. There's some great theory fodder in Ace Combat that could use an analytical mind like yours, Mat, I just hope that if you do end up making a theory on it, you familiarize yourself very well with the universe and be careful. I don't want any more shade thrown your way.

[@maj.romuloortiz7832]

We won't crucify him, just catapult him off a carrier, jk he should team up with Ace Combat Fan

[@trevorm0329]

Playing that right now, boutta finish the campaign. Absolutely love it

[@Seth9809]

I heard it's a lot better than "HAWK" or whatever.

[@NexeL_NKC]

@@Seth9809 it is better than Tom Clancy’s HAWX, but HAWX is a decent game on its own, same for its sequel. I own both and loved them before I got into Ace Combat. I just don’t have a PlayStation so I can play the old AC games.

[@spasitel1889]

yes yES YES!!! i need this. i literally bought a ps2 to play the "holy Trinity" games. i love ac and matpat makeing a vid on it would be sick

[@ClosedaNOOR]

thank u matpat for keeping me sane all this time. have a good rest of ur life. ty for everything

[@leafwart18000]

For some reason I have it embedded in my memory, that they explicitly state that the mission is targeted at Iranian territory. Now I see this, where everyone is agreeing that they did not ever explicitly state who the enemy really was. So, if they really didn’t, I had somehow subconsciously figured out it was Iran, and then tricked myself into thinking that they just say it in the movie

[@josephchristie3814]

i remember that scene too, it was while they were on the carrier, i thought i was going crazy lol i'm glad that somebody else heard it.

[@Polarniji]

Yep, I heard them stating the location then as well.

[@chazchoo99]

Or, more likely, you slipped into a parallel universe where one of the minor differences happened to be that they didn't mention it in the movie. #MandelaEffect . . . . . This is sarcasm btw.

[@kevinsiu3769]

@@josephchristie3814 WAIT WHAT

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

Many people misheard "uranium enrichment facility'" as "Iranian enrichment facility".

[@whatsthematter8767]

0:23 the tank in the logo is actually a ZSU-23-4 "Shilka", a Russian SPAA

[@Amikhan457]

And the guns are russian PKMs too

[@SelfAwareSaga]

ur mom

[@whatsthematter8767]

@Hovoverse 🅥 I wish there was a day I could say "Finally it's here, the youtube update that removed comment bots"

[@EvanRustMakes]

Fellow war thunder player?

[@whatsthematter8767]

@@EvanRustMakes yes my friend

[@silent1547]

I still think Matt Pat failed to answer the question “Why does it matter if we know who the enemy is?” In their review of the movie, Chapo Trap House comes to the conclusion that the anonymity of the enemy is essential in order for the studio to create a nostalgic unifying feeling that calls back to simpler times when most Americans were not very informed about our government’s foreign opposition, and rather were willing to accept a blind patriotic stance against those they believed to be threats to the nation. In obscuring the enemy, the movie is able to recreate this we against them divide where we the viewers are all forced to be on the same side due to the simple fact that we do not know enough about our enemies to question how they are being presented to us by our leaders.

[@ballofmayo5132]

It really is interesting that to enjoy something like this, we have to blind ourselves to what is happening. Ignorance is bliss sometimes.

[@Jaspperr]

genocide denier says what

[@metronomemusic7165]

well said.

[@Lawrence330]

In the modern era, it's better for worldwide release to NOT specifically alienate a foreign audience. IIRC, the remake of Red Dawn was going to use China as the baddies, then decided against it for globalization reasons, i.e. to sell tickets in China.

[@athleticguybuzz1520]

That worries me cuz the studio who made the movie where bought out by china

[@thetrison]

My theory: Russia is actually broken up to smaller states in the Top Gun universe, and the mission happened in the one that has a Pacific coast near Alaska.

[@miloisacat292]

My favorite scene from this movie is when they are both on the ground after crashing: Maverick: Are you even thinking? You could be killed down here! Rooster: YOU TOLD ME NOT TO THINK! *heavy breathing*

[@tomasmillen]

Don’t forget, *Dramatic arm movement*

[@TotallyNormal347]

@@tomasmillen HA!

[@Froggo11]

I love the effort Matpat puts in his videos (Tysm for the likes.)

[@tripplordofinconvenience9953]

E

[@AlmyTheAlien]

Everyone always says, "finally it's here!" Nobody ever asks, "why is it finally here?" 😥😭

[@Froggo11]

Why is everyone replying with “Yes it’s here.”?

[@Telepelort]

Your theory’s are the most detailed things on the whole of KZbin and you always have evidence to back you up. If I have a bad day your videos always cheer me up within seconds and I would like to thank you for that matpatt. Love your work

[@osmosisjones4912]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJ_IZmmao7Wnq5o is finally here

[@Av-te7ze]

This is a very ignorant comment, just straight up wrong..

[@cerealeggvr6942]

The fact that they said that f-5s were migs is crazy

[@wzthshaahhshbdvdjrg]

the original top gun used t-5s for the enemy fighters because they cant just go steal a mig-29

[@Plan3tMist]

​@@wzthshaahhshbdvdjrg not with that attitude

[@superm2k]

The F-5's are called MiG's in the movie

[@arbolalto]

@@superm2k Well, comrade, even if we discard the fact that they couldn't just get a MiG for their american propaganda movie and had to work with what they have in stock (note that the chopper Rambo destroys in Rambo 3 is neither a Mil Mi-24 but a Puma with masking tape strapped wings), the first clue that those MiGs were fictional, is that, at that time, MiGs were given only odd numbers and MiG-28 was verily fictional. Also, me being mexican, the movie never fooled us because there was a popular video by Luis Miguel, called La Incondicional, where he becomes a fighter pilot and, at the end of the song, he flies, you guess it, an F-5, the best our army had at that time... and still today. Yeah, we don't invest much on military airplanes.

[@superm2k]

@@arbolalto Well yeah, I'm aware of that. Was just pointing it out to OP - also, the MiG-6 exists.

[@dion9876]

I haven't even watched the movie. But I'll support Mat Pat.

[@xcaliberjah]

Yes

[@yuumc3030]

You should it’s amazing

[@lolaglowwe]

@tom thats true

[@tripplordofinconvenience9953]

E

[@ush4]

You NEED to watch it it’s sooo good

[@Seastallion]

I literally knew most everything described in this video as I was sitting in the theater watching the movie. Having operational F-14 Tomcats was a dead giveaway right off the bat. I actually said as much in theater, telling the people I was with that Iran was the only possible candidate.

[@201hastings]

Sucks to be next to the guy talking the whole movie

[@Seastallion]

@@201hastings Wow, like 5 whole seconds out of the entire movie. Bummer. 🙄

[@81stCommander]

This video could have been about 30 seconds long. I knew the answer by only looking at one aspect. I actually looked it up after I watched the film. Question: Which military still use the F14 Tomcat? Answer: Only Iran. OK the enemy is Iran. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@inorite4553]

Yup! Lazy theory

[@texasball5847]

@LakehuntistCool cool,a toxic person because he is jealous of mat pat being better.

[@somehighlights2851]

Having a food court inside the Pentagon kinda makes sense. I remember reading some book (Maybe Clancy) where the bad guys or a journalist finds out there's something going on in the military becauseof a lot of food delivery to the Pentagon late in the evening.

[@5years16dollars6]

Dude, you would be a legend if you mentioned the meme "Bruce its been five years, you still owe me sixteen dollars"

[@dontreadprofilephoto1728]

Ok dont read my name😑.........

[@IGOTBEERZ]

Matpat , we need a hellva boss theory, the 1st season 2 episode dropped and it has so much lore to the series 👏

[@piplup10203854]

I felt the same exact way about this movie, I didn't really like the original but my dad and I watched this one and we loved it, we reminisced about our time in service and it became a good movie for us and we ended up loving it.

[@MichaelNeff-zb8id]

I just realized that I've been watching your KZbin channel ever since you started

[@thearbadiller9896]

Thought I heard something in the movie about the mission being in Europe but Mat is always right so I’ll take his word for it.

[@oscarcacnio8418]

Turns out the film's "rogue nation" is actually poorly-depicted remote Portugal.

[@connorcarrillo1139]

@@oscarcacnio8418 no it’s actually Luxembourg

[@cj16423]

@@connorcarrillo1139 Clearly it's Belgium

[@geokou7645]

Matpat talking about geography and geopolitics? This is like a dream come true.

[@TheTrueMorse64]

0:44 My complaint about the original Top Gun is that the dog fighting is pretty hard to follow, Top Gun Maverick fixes that!

[@monroerobbins7551]

12:08 in the most masculine way possible: rock paper scissors.

[@dragonflybug1577]

Never thought Id see the day that Matpat does a theory based on recent real world events for a video, and its on TOP GUN MAVERICK!!! This film was what got me so interested into military planes and arcade games with military aircraft like the Ace Combat series and Project Wingman

[@rafaelalodio5116]

Iran was what I thought pretty much after I left the theater, the mountainous terrain ads up, the F-14 ads up and the nuclear tension definitely ads up. Besides that, Iran has allegedly being developing their own 5th gen jet, although it might be just propaganda.

[@wumpa6597]

I couldve sworn in the movie they said iran one time but not really in reference to the mission but kinda hinting it

[@OVI-Wan-Kenobi-8]

The Iranians could have easily bought them from the Russians

[@justanormalgermanboy9269]

There 5th gen program is one ice but there are plans to get Su 57 or 75 from Russia if they ever get past the 100 mark

[@awkwardgoatart553]

Me during the video: Wow, this is a really interesting theory. I always love hearing new things from MatPat and his channels Me during the last 30 seconds of the video: GLORY TO ARSTOTZKA!!!!

[@LBElbee]

According to a calendar that Maverick taps near the very beginning of the film, the movie takes place Oct-Nov of 2019, which is the year the movie was supposed to be released but was put off until 2022.

[@TheRealPhantomStalks]

Fun Fact: Top Gun: Maverick Premiered at the USS Midway Museum, and one of my mom's friends works there! (my mom told me her friend got to meet Tom Cruise himself). I also heard there was some trouble getting it to premiere there, but I might have to ask my mom again on that one lol.

[@AA-xo9uw]

There were three "premieres" on May 4th in San Diego. #1 was at the base theater on North Island. #2 was on the Midway and #3 was at the Civic Theater.

[@SS73448]

Honestly always have wondered who the enemy was

[@redschafer7804]

you could have just looked it up as the director Joseph Kosinski has basically admitted as much in interviews

[@brewiy8149]

If you looked up things about iran in the past few years you can see some US spy drones were intercepted while watching the Iranian nuclear facility (and Iran is the only one flying the F-14)

[@ramonandrajo6348]

I am in favor of Iran having nuclear weapons; It is always good to defend yourself from the bad guys, that is USA and Israel.

[@maj.romuloortiz7832]

@@ramonandrajo6348 Evens the playing field

[@ramonandrajo6348]

@@maj.romuloortiz7832 ?

[@chriskopp1361]

Now he just needs to figure out why they didn't load B1s with ground penetrating munitions and use them in the attack.

[@vladstr100]

Conveniently explained away by "gps" blocking in the area preventing lock-on

[@cobalt3738]

@@vladstr100 Conveniently ignores laser guided bombing systems, y'know...the kind the F/A-18 Super hornets used in the film. Love the movie though.

[@fadelsukoco3092]

Mostly because the entire operation in the film is being run by the Navy, and the B-1 is owned by the Air Force.

[@Bonny-d5u]

I love the goose honk at the beginning they really pointed out the untitled goose game

[@joshgerber718]

Mat Pat’s descriptions of both Top Gun movies was 100% SPOT ON! 😂

[@nuyabuisness7526]

I have a feeling that this movie ended up getting some of that stuff changed in reshoots/edits. There already was a big stink about changing Mav's jacket to not offend Winnie the Pooh and his party of hungry Santa acolytes. With the emblems on the planes I was thinking that the hostile force was originally supposed to be a PMC either operating in or at the behest of another power.

[@funtechu]

They didn't end up actually changing the logos on the jacket though. It looks like they either only did that for the trailer, or maybe there is a separate China cut.

[@nuyabuisness7526]

@@funtechu yeah, I was in theaters watching it and there were several cheers when they showed the unchanged jacket.

[@shadesinsertlastname1631]

tru it could have been diamond dogs/outerheaven

[@spooderman6312]

It's crazy how the filmmakers of Top gun maverick knew that the original wasn't that good and decided let's make a good movje this time and recognizing that Tom Cruise is getting old and more of a mentor than a hotshot newbie" and it totally paid off, amazing.

[@johnpooky84]

I love both movies, but my favorite is still the original.

[@spooderman6312]

@Man with hair it's not bad, it just wasn't that good. Don't get me wrong a lot of scenes like the end or goose's death are really good but at points it gets really slow. Maverick also had slow points but they we're usually related with Tom Cruise's journey, but the original one's slow points were kind of bland and eh. Just my opinion though.

[@braydenb8401]

Wow Impressive it’s a very convincing film theory.

[@kknnetty]

It cant be Iran. They don´t operate the s-125 missile system seen in the movie.

[@jarl-b_1124]

Around six years ago, my dad used to work at the Pentagon (Navy Chaplain). Bc he worked there, he was able to get me and my mom, and my siblings into the Pentagon. We ate at the food court a lot of the times we'd go. My favorite was Taco Bell. Also, my dad is a huge Top Gun fan (even tried to get me and my siblings to want to be fighter pilots after watching). As soon as he got out of the theater with my mom and got home, he pointed out that the enemy was undisclosed. I'm definitely showing this to him.

[@jonervine]

For an ex-pentagon intellectual, he just pretended he don't know. He probably knew in the first 10 minutes of the film.

[@LordVader626]

3:38 totally missed the opportunity to say "I feel the need, the need to know!"

[@esbeng.s.a9761]

I love the film, but I think it could be made stronger if Rooster was the protagonist. This would Tom the antagonist who has understandebel motive, protetion his best friend's kid but needing to letting go and trustion Rooster's abilituis. I also think it would have been better if Rooster had to fly in the final fight, as it would build on Tom arc if trustion Roose It would also give more weight to all the new charactors we are introduse to Unfortunal it would be hard to have Tom and Iceman last moments together which are sone of the best scenes. Like how Ice uses his own voice (which hurts him) to ask which one of them was the better pilot is heartfelt and speak volume to how combetive they both are

[@cobalt3738]

The only issue with that is that Rooster wouldn't have the slightest idea how to fly the Tomcat, he didn't even know how to operate the Rio's position. It's understandable because it's an older airframe, not one he's comfortable on. Maverick on the other hand, has flown the cat before and understands it's dangers. The F-14 lacks a fly by wire system and so stalling the plane, over performing it, or going into a flat spin would've been a legitimate concern on a brand new Tomcat, even moreso an Iranian bird that's been sitting in a hangar for who knows how long.

[@ninjanibba4259]

The movie is just fine the way it is

[@Tristan-of1cl]

That is insane that you figured that out! gonna miss you man

[@theblaze5530]

3:00 Give us the 4th Conspiracy theory Channel Matt!!'

[@MrJimheeren]

I’ll make it simple. In an early scene in the movie they tell Maverick the ‘enemy’ still has some F14s left. The only nation on earth that got F14s in the 70s was Iran and just like in the movie they still fly them to this very day. Tadaa there’s your answer (and yes I’m aware that Iran doesn’t have SU 57s but they only designate them as 5th generation fighters)

[@OVI-Wan-Kenobi-8]

Iran could have easily purchased them from Russia. Also, Iran is an ally of Russia.

[@badbeardbill9956]

Idk how many Su 57s Russia has either

[@pandasonic1294]

What about the Mi-24 Helicopters? Iran doesn't have any of em.

[@user-eu2pb9rr4l]

Another clue that is pretty solid is if you look at the scene where they look at maps and are about to launch towards Iran, you can see the very tip of Bahrain on the screen. So that gives it away

[@babch0]

I think if there will be another top gun, maybe it will be about the pilot that they were fighting against because that Dodge was sick lol

[@KhoaTV]

The movie was really good though I was a bit curious what the enemy was, though I think the director already confirmed who the enemy was if I’m not mistaken.

[@ShadowCompany01]

@@ramonandrajo6348 Israel I can agree. The US? They’re too busy beating themselves up to be a danger to Iran atm.

[@ramonandrajo6348]

@@ShadowCompany01 That is true in a way.

[@m.m.m.2619]

Dude I'm Iranian and i haven't even watched the movie, but when you said who the enemy is, i was like yes that is 100% iran like no research was needed that was obvious

[@ICantThinkOfAUsername]

-”How did you escape Iraq?” -”Well, I ran!”

[@ICantThinkOfAUsername]

@LakehuntistCool m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/anjVomB9r5qXnpI I know it’s a bot, but it’s still a good response

[@astelius]

*i absolutely love these movies, they reignited a small passion I once had for Air Force academy. Love that Mat did a video for this!*

[@MegaNodnal]

I went to see this movie with my wife and father in law. We walked out and my wife made a comment about we never got told who the enemy was. Immediately my father in law says, it's Iran and explains their desire for nukes breaking treaties and of course having f-14s.

[@overlord4404]

But didnt the US break the treaty in this case?

[@quincey3528]

@@overlord4404 The US didn't break the treaty, we withdrew from it. If i remember correctly, Iran was not following the agreements of the treaty and was withholding information regarding their use of nuclear material. Because of Iran's lack of transparency the US ended the treaty and put sanctions on Iran.

[@overlord4404]

@@quincey3528 Really... Internet exist you know. The reason was, according to trumpster that the deal didnt cover other things, like missile development, regional operations, military etc. Bottom line is, the US unilaterally withdrew from the deal.

[@graviton9191]

@@quincey3528 you sound a bit brainwashed. read more!

[@theawesomeman9821]

This movie is awesome because it focuses on story and character development over projecting politics.

[@arsjproductions5743]

Highway to the THEORY Zone!

[@osmosisjones4912]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/oaLSloRth52nqas is finally here

[@picklechin2716]

I went in with iran, and came out with iran.

[@qwertyforwen2342]

Man I am so glad you finally did a top gun maverick theory!!! Thanks Mat Pat! And I kind of agree the first top gun was okay, but the second one was the best movie I have seen in years

[@aerospacematt]

My main problem with the first one was that it didn’t have as much flying/fighting as I would’ve liked. This one solves that!

[@jaqjynx]

I’m always so impressed by MatPats research. Every episode of Film, game and food is so vastly different and he researches the heck outta them. All the respect for me.

[@cruiserdude16]

I had never seen anything Top Gun related before seeing Maverick, and honestly it's probably one of my new favorite movies now. Fun fact: I watched it in an official IMax Theater on board a cruise ship. The rocking of the waves added to the movie itself

[@Trey_816]

My nickname from my brother is "Goose" after Goose. So I say, "People know me as Goose." So, people know me as Trey 'Goose' Byers.

[@overlordsir3000]

Matt, the original Top Gun is a cinematic masterpiece, the music, the action it is all insanely cool!

[@jeo1812]

I remember when I went to watch this movie, there was definitely talk on the news of Iran and their nuclear program. The coincidence made the film's conflict easier to explain to my mom while we watched it

[@averagejoe8358]

13:45 *YOUR SUPERIOR HAS REPORTED YOU FOR THE THEFT OF ARSTOTZKAN PROPERTY.* *THE MINISTRY OF INFORMATION WILL PERFORM A FULL AUDIT OF YOUR RECENT ACTIVITIES.* *YOUR FAMILY WILL LIKEWISE BE QUESTIONED ABOUT THEIR INVOLVEMENT.* *GLORY TO ARSTOTZKA*

[@BrianLTU]

GLORY TO ARSTOTZKA!

[@averagejoe8358]

​@@BrianLTU *GLORY GREATEST, MOTHER PROUD*

[@jridew740]

1:11 an impossible mission or you could say that mission is impossible

[@nadtheamazing3865]

I just saw a food theory video and now a movie theory video! Crazy how much effort him and his team put into making videos!

[@ХейтерТрендов]

MatPat is a brain burner!(Правдивое видео🇷🇺):....kzbin.info/www/bejne/hoPXoHh8p8R7irM

[@神空白]

MatPat being a top tier geoguesser right here.

[@burpmcgurp9176]

The one check box you forgot to account for is pilot training. There is no way Iran has skilled enough pilots to maneuver the enemy fighters they way they did, even if they are 5th generation.

[@universalpower419]

Why not?

[@teutonicgroyper6559]

That, plus the mountainous region of Iran is actually further inland than pretty much all of Belarus, which he ruled out for being too far inland...

[@edmardisla8492]

Skill =/= training.

[@OVI-Wan-Kenobi-8]

You obviously never seen Iron Eagle LOL

[@1992AC]

There could have been trained mercenaries flying those planes.

[@Nuelic_]

Even if you haven't watched the movie it is so much fun to just listen to these theories

[@dontreadprofilephoto1728]

Ok dont read my name😑.........