Film Theory: The Avenger That RUINED Dark Phoenix!

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The latest movie in the X-Men franchise, Dark Phoenix, came out in a blaze of... well, not glory. This movie got HORRIBLE reviews - critics and fans alike were NOT here for Jean Grey's big fiery moment. Why was that? Why did this movie do so EPICALLY bad? Well, that's actually on Marvel itself. Oh, I don't mean Marvel Fox - I'm talking Marvel DISNEY and it's cast of Avengers. Specifically, one single Avenger that caused Dark Phoenix to FAIL!
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Credits:
Writer: Matthew Patrick
Researcher: Zach Stewart
Editors: BanditRants and Koen Verhagen
Assistant Editor: AlyssaBeCrazy
Sound Editor: Yosi Berman
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[@horsejoergen4931]

Thanos: I am inevitable Jean: I’m better than u Tony Stark: I am iron man Mickey Mouse: I own you. And I, am dead.

[@EK-dj9dj]

This is so true

[@SKULLTHEWIZARD]

Iron Man: I am Iorn Man "snaps finger"

[@Cheprock83]

@@SKULLTHEWIZARD damn right

[@Euzoqr]

@Bendy The Ink Demon are you 10

[@mxngos7493]

Matpat: I MAKE THEORIES!

[@christopherrobinhood9802]

Dark Phoenix and Fox: "Disney, brother, help me!" Disney stabs their hands! Disney:"Long Live the King!"

[@yoovie1]

Oh my god your comment is so cringey jesus

[@tinaomeara2089]

Pixar no!!!!

[@Meow-ow6oh]

@@yoovie1 Your reply gave us cancer

[@darthrex4512]

Marvel: noooooooo

[@kalelgabanes7518]

Godzilla: Who's the King?

[@MatthewDoesThisNow]

I’m starting to think MatPat doesn’t like Disney...

[@vanijsharma9767]

Ya dont say

[@user-Jay178]

Lol

[@turtleguy4109]

69 l i k e s

[@theultimatechaser]

@@turtleguy4109 I almost liked it too. Still at 69

[@turtleguy4109]

@@theultimatechaser thanks

[@alonsolupercio9108]

I remember when Shazam use to be called “Captain Marvel”

[@Goldbonds]

Ok boomer

[@crusadertime6746]

@@Goldbonds dude you did not just do that 😅

[@alonsolupercio9108]

That One Guy Whatever you say 😂

[@lorekeeper685]

Shazam was litterly called captain marvel then Marvel get into lawsuit stuff with the ahazam charecter which weird stuff happend shazam stayed at DC but not the name

[@alonsolupercio9108]

DZ Gamer You probably didn’t read it right, I mean that Shazam use to be called Captain Marvel before DC changed his name. I’m sure you’re the idiot for not understanding it.

[@maddiecarney7577]

Honestly whoever is the voice of Mickey... 10/10

[@justwill3435]

Maddie Carney he's not

[@SomeChez]

FootOfAFerret doesnt even have a foot Edit: why does this have 10 likes. Thank you tho I appreciate

[@abdlhmdx]

It's Matthew himself, it's noticable.

[@otraqc9977]

Touya Todoroki It’s not MatPat

[@parker0216]

actually that's Footofaferrit

[@matcha_tea274]

Dark Phoenix in a nutshell: *"I CAN'T CONTROL IT"*

[@shot-gi6mr]

I havent even watched it yet but I already subconciously knew that.

[@snereon7739]

Sounds like Frozen xD

[@myrech]

My sex life in 4 words

[@bekleedee]

@@myrech LOL!!!!

[@lterry5135]

Gudetama

[@chronicmedisorder]

"At this point dead superheros are to Film Theory what dead kids are to Game Theory." - Matpat 2019

[@avrilsilverio7868]

The problem I had with Dark Phoenix was the characterization of everyone, how Raven kinda just dies, how Jean becomes so numb to the fact she killed Raven, someone who believed in her so much, only to get killed off because the movie needed an emotional death.

[@variasanddragon]

I gotta agree, I mean the death felt so shoved in that I couldn’t comprehend a reaction to it, if anything just critiquing how Raven didn’t give Jean space when talking to her. And yeah the way Jean just doesn’t acknowledge it very well kinda made me brush past the situation. I may be speaking without experience but I just think you have good points

[@Trebord_]

To be honest, I thought that the Dark Phoenix poster was a Captain Marvel poster at first glance.

[@modernkennnern]

Same. Cover looks like Captain Marvel. The teaser (the one with the x) looks like x-files. Great marketing

[@val4362]

Same

[@SuperBlueBow]

I thought the aladdin poster was the dark Phoenix poster

[@oblivion7092]

Yea same

[@RustineBueno]

LOL IKR XD I was like “wha- Oh WAIT NVM” XD

[@hakirianascarbrough8166]

Hey matpat I have a suggestion because you enjoy killing childhood dreams so much How much chocolate will it take to kill Clifford the big red dog Holy crap I did not expect this

[@antonioiniguez1615]

Hakiriana Scarbrough genius

[@ksporty15]

What about grapes?

[@michaeltnk1135]

That’s the most random thing ever. Why would he do that?

[@Sub2Cider]

3.14 tonnes

[@satansgrandma6728]

MinifigureXtreme why wouldn’t he?

[@blubberface2337]

"If at first you don't succeed... sell, sell, sell to Disney!!!" Dude legit the mouse owns lucasfilm, marvel, fox, and so many other franchises that wanted or needed their money (pixar sort of co-owns). This stuff is crazy

[@kitkate3402]

As long as they dont buy Dreamworks I'm happy

[@dylanbowers6292]

I'm honestly scared Disney will try to own the entire entertainment industry. Imagine video games, tv shows, cartoons, comics, ect with the same lazy writing and plot holes as the new Star Wars trilogy 😨

[@GNGR57]

They tried buying DC but they said no Then Batman vs Superman happened

[@hiraeth7877]

and ABC

[@kitkate3402]

@@hiraeth7877 you are incorrect but ok :)

[@RecluseBootsy]

Director of Dark Phoenix: "This ending looks too much like Captain Marvel. Change it, make it look more like that Deadpool 2 movie with a prison transport, power-draining collars, and a final plea to the obviously demented youngling..."

[@nartheos2211]

Any Movie Maker: This movie has no hidden meaning! Mat: Hold my theories.

[@otakutron4310]

It’s actually “hold my Diet Coke” but ok

[@borucharnold9406]

@@otakutron4310 I like diet Dr. Pepper.

[@jackofalltrades8412]

@@otakutron4310: it's diet coke! Me: hold my *cherry* coke

[@snipersboy14]

@everyone it’s diet water

[@borucharnold9406]

@@jackofalltrades8412 I know, I just like my DP.

[@ultrabeastiary7261]

Film theory in one sentence: "Behold endless death."

[@catroyalty6360]

Yup

[@m_e_nere]

Ger?

[@deadaccount8054]

Film theory: am i a joke to you?

[@Goblin_Gaming001]

WITH SCIENCE!

[@thetheatreguy9853]

But hey that's just a theory. A death Theory

[@michaeldmingo1525]

I went to see Captain Marvel with a friend who hasn't watched any Marvel and straight away he said "Jude Law is the bad guy, he's always a Villian right?"

[@7nameless904]

Who even is that

[@animesloversunited9069]

@@7nameless904 foster parent

[@7nameless904]

@@animesloversunited9069 oh ok

[@c1tylights782]

@@7nameless904 the mentor guy

[@EleanoraDzen]

I remember being confused as a kid that Jean Grey never had a ‘name’ like cyclops or night crawler or shadowcat Now I see that she lost it but it’s an oversight on the long run

[@bricksgaming8999]

Same. I once watched an episode of the new X-men series when the characters were introduced and they were like "Cyclops, Wolverine, Storm, Jean Grey". Like, why

[@gwengrasso1887]

Same, but I never knew Shadowcats name; I just called her Kitty Pryde all the time

[@birdgirl8390]

huh now that you said it 🤔 at some point I started calling her phoenix because I kept forgetting her name and all my friends were like "you've called her what now?"

[@Lucretia19]

her new alias now is phoenix

[@DoubleBoost23]

Dead heroes in Film Theory and dead kids in Game Theory Behold MatPat's evil self MurderPat

[@yourpsychicfriendfredbear]

I call him Matripat. I mean, it’s not the most relevant but it sounds decent.

[@Ben-om8sr]

Plot twist: this video is actually being made by a skrull while matpat is on vacation in a simulation

[@SNinjaQK]

ffh spoiler

[@dupli1457]

@@SNinjaQK there literally was no clue of far from home in that sentence if you didn't watch it

[@SNinjaQK]

@@dupli1457 i said it as a joke

[@papaparsley7695]

@@dupli1457 Didn't u just spoil it in this comment?

[@dupli1457]

@@papaparsley7695 No..?

[@Thisguy38]

MatPat: Disney will own all superheroes except DC Valiant & Image comics: Am I a joke to you?

[@rodjacksonx]

Everyone: Yes?

[@lordhendrickson8585]

@@rodjacksonx This has aged like fine wine.

[@evpecha]

20 years later: Me: I can't wait to see The justice leagues fight the avengers Friend: Yeah who would've thought this would happen MatPat: I should've seen this coming

[@tyrant-den884]

My issue with Dark Phoenix is making the enemy of a conclusion to a decades spanning series be some aliens we never heard of before.

[@DCLightning]

My issue is we never got to see quicksilver tell magneto that he was his son

[@BassProHunter14]

That's a fair point

[@TCGJake]

Tyrant-Den my issue is they made the same movie 2 times

[@tyrant-den884]

@@TCGJake pff, I wish. The original at least had a couple of awesome visuals, along with the best X and Magneto.

[@felixlandproductions4552]

I honestly hoped they would use Mr. Sinister.

[@rodimus7926]

Thanos: I am inevitable Tony Stark: I am Ironman Mickey Mouse: I own you

[@-hello6177]

Thanos: I am inevitable Tony Stark: I am Ironman Mickey Mouse: You are my bitches

[@Soup-ho3ek]

what do i do he is in my house

[@bytes2915]

Danny DeVito: I am the trash man

[@HandmadeGoose97]

Mickey Mouse is inevitable

[@zander1210]

Batman: I’m Batman

[@MrGonecrazy001]

Why did Captain Marvel perform better? Infinity Wars, period.

[@bogdannicolas6359]

By being before endgame

[@itsPlasma06]

Both of you are pretty right...

[@MrMaxHauser]

Just because it made money doesn't mean its good

[@cykesrevenge]

I really enjoyed Captain Marvel - yes even Brie Larson's performance. on the other hand I recently watched Dark Phoenix now that its on bluray and surprisingly i liked it as well - it was no where as bad as EVERYTHING i had seen about it made it out to be. It still has some MAJOR issues but it was enjoyable. Neither movie is the greatest Marvel movie ever, but they are not the worse either.

[@cassandraetienne2054]

@@MrMaxHauser I thought.. that's exactly what that means? Sorry I get it's not a 10/10 movie. Just poor choice of words. Lots of money in every movie case = a success. Opinions aside.

[@songbird6414]

I feel like dark Phoenix was missing an act. I loved the first part, and then it just suddenly ended with no huge and CLEAR climax. It felt like the writers just kind of gave up at the end. It was so disappointing because it felt like it could have been so much better, but it was just obvious that everyone, including the cast, was just ready to be done.

[@-4subscriberswithahammerad521]

Thanos: snaps fingers Iron man: let me reverse card this

[@preston_1087]

XD

[@youtuberfangirlnamededyn6186]

Hammer Addiction4u Do you have a list of amazing comments to get them to go viral, because they’re amazing every time

[@Grace-nt8cd]

Just a sec

[@darthtroller]

My friend just said that joke today

[@MC-ns8gb]

Wow! A comment that has nothing to do with the video! I hope you enjoy you're meaningless internet points

[@mythxmusic1609]

"A soul for a soul..." -Disney, throwing Jean Grey off a water tower

[@ahatforahat3291]

You already know this comment is gonna blow up

[@shattaredentertainment4782]

Wouldn't work youd have to sacrifice someone you love to obtain the soul stone

[@mythxmusic1609]

@@shattaredentertainment4782 big oof

[@Milovetic]

Except DC characters? Disney: Hold my beer.

[@MrBaconPeng]

dang Disney just lost there family friendly image

[@hannah-op1bt]

honestly where DP messed up the most for me was that they killed off mystique (raven) SO UNRELUCTANTLY. mystique is a HUGE threat in the comics, like Prof X and Magneto levels, and they killed her off as if it was NOTHING. sure, the characters are upset, but nothing heart-wrenching happens to me, like I didn't even cry

[@swagsquirrel3534]

I think people didn't watch it because so many better movies came out around the same time

[@pk_rockk2237]

I actually watched it because i like x men and there was no other movie that was good and i really liked this movie

[@UnderworldsHeiress]

But it was a good movie!! Not the best X-Men movie, but it was good. I watched it because X-Men are the first hero saga I ever watched, both cartoons and movies. I just got disappointed because I was hoping for a little more, specially more Nightcrawler's time on screen because he is my favorite character.

[@bickle8931]

Underworld's Heiress i thought it was fine but worsened due to it being the last installment of the franchise

[@Larsonlaneent]

i saw that dark pheonix was an epic superhero movie coming out june 7th, and the secret life of pets 2, was a cute little pet movie coming out on june 7th. but from all the abd reviews on the pheonix movie, can you guess what i watched on june 7th? SECRET LIFE OF PETS 2, yep thats right, i watched that instead of dark pheonix

[@pk_rockk2237]

@@UnderworldsHeiress i agree with you but i wanted more Quicksilver

[@allenthestudioguy1551]

I see matpat's ongoing war with the overmouse is going well.

[@thenafguy2006]

Yup

[@matthewmoran5297]

+Practical Nonsense You cannot fight the mouse. >:)

[@anemu3819]

@@matthewmoran5297 burn the mouse

[@TheRibottoStudios]

They often fight with the song tensions rising in the background so yea good times

[@awesomegaymer5786]

matpat fighting Mickey is equal to a one month old fighting the hulk

[@jacksonmakowske9531]

when he said wednesday and every other weekend i freaked out a little because that’s my schedule for my dad lmao

[@lordvika2526]

The thing is within Marvel comics there have always been Skills that just want to live in peace, and other Skrulls that wanted universal domination. Just like every single population some want peace and some want war. So who's to say that the Skrulls we see in Captain Marvel are the peace loving ones and in Dark Phoenix are the war loving ones.

[@dolphinrooinc.1609]

0:53 seconds in: Says the original x men movie visuals: Shows the movies that aren't the originals

[@legitnaur]

One sin

[@peytonmac1131]

I assumed it was a joke, given those movies were set at a time before the originals.

[@rayshawnmyers1990]

I would've liked it if there was more Quicksilver

[@I3ATTLE05]

Same

[@adeleaslan8182]

We all would

[@kalanderakalanderaar1678]

Flash is better

[@kalanderakalanderaar1678]

And I know it’s DC but he’s still better

[@kalanderakalanderaar1678]

MrAndroidXD i know but still

[@seanjsellscars]

4:00 I don’t know what this effect is called, but it’s so friggin awesome every time I see it used!!

[@codfy11]

Matpat saying:first class & the future past is AMAZING-- X men apocalypse:hey Matpat:NANI!?

[@RandomThoughtsFromEll]

OK, but like the whole 2 quicksilver thing would also be pretty confusing.

[@ligtningdog6399]

That was more of a legal matter. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are deeply tied to both X-Men and Averagers. So they similar had MCU Quicksilver die and had Fox's Scarlet Witch make a small cameo.

[@clownlivesmatter7925]

Pretty easy really they will just make his death in avengers cannon since Disney is the one doing the take over

[@Joeki11a]

One of them is a Skrull

[@tweezyfbaby503]

Is that even english?

[@ShadowSonic2]

@Ultimate Spider-Man He's a Flash wannabe.

[@awesomeanbar9402]

The biggest plot twist in the history of movies: MICKEY MOUSE IS THE VILLIAN!!!

[@isaacwoodward9611]

Is it really a plot twist though

[@awesomeanbar9402]

@@isaacwoodward9611 nah it's pretty obvious at the moment

[@Cheprock83]

It was all for the good of the people

[@matias1876]

Awesome Anbar BIGGEST PLOT is mickey payed thanos as a hitman because they made mickey a toy

[@emancoy]

A very predictable plot twist

[@biomecraft356]

Man... I kinda just feel bad for Dark Phoenix now. It feels like it got shafted by Captain Marvel and Disney.

[@patefam6357]

Mat pat: Pulls blindfold off even though he’s tied up Me: Obvious confusion

[@autumbreeze1129]

I honestly still haven't even seen Dark Phoenix yet. I just don't have any motivation to

[@shadowfukkinblowed]

This right here, i was hyped for it til the trailers came

[@seanworthman2056]

That is the same for me with captain marvel as well

[@gabrielaj7941]

It was awsome

[@jgeorge2693]

As a fox distributed film it will be on FX in a year

[@wombatpandaa9774]

Don't bother, I almost walked out and I didn't even pay for it.

[@insecdroid]

I thought Captain Marvel was about a Flerken named goose and his side kick, Samuel L Jackson. Edit: Thanks for the kind words...and now to ruin them by saying that I actually liked Captain Marvel, especially Talos; the nord Warrior incarnation of Shor...hold on that sounds wrong.

[@thetads2623]

Can I like this again?

[@joshuavis2736]

If that was the movie then it would actually be good, unlike the actual movie

[@arandomuser9459]

😂 then it would have been a good movie!

[@darthrex4512]

Goose should have his own solo film. Change my mind

[@Blade_Corps]

Well..... you aren't wrong.

[@HayderAbdulridha]

Finally, your super hero name has been confirmed, Mad Pat.

[@xtaniwhax9655]

Matpat then: I love Disney so much that I got a bumper sticker of it! Matpat now: *MOOUUUSSSEE*

[@MrCal2648]

X-Men 3 was also Dark Pheonix and in either case, neither of them can compare to the 90's cartoon version of Dark Pheonix.

[@graywolfdracon]

Few things can compare to the 90's cartoon.

[@seanwilson531]

yeah, but at least the 3rd X-men had Wolverine as the walking Deus Ex Machina (or whatever the proper term is) I mean, "I'm the only one who can stop her." imagine if Charles was unable to reason with Jean in Dark Phoenix. the whole world would doomed either way. >:-)

[@georgeliquor1236]

Or you know... you can just read the comics instead....

[@seanwilson531]

@@georgeliquor1236 pretty much, young people today don't "read" anything anymore. (unless it's text messages or KZbin comments or Instagram, or their damn tweets. -__-

[@georgeliquor1236]

@@seanwilson531 As much as I hate to admit. You are right. No one likes reading, even if its comics. But hey at least comic readers have a big edge of advantage over movie normies.

[@Oshawatt]

X-men: *exists* Didney: i'm about to end this man's whole career

[@witchluisamultifandom1212]

You mean gisnep

[@eliraeclipse2435]

Who's didney? I only know this knee

[@weegee9616]

*kidney

[@Oshawatt]

Look for everyone making fun of how I spelled didney I’m not taking it back because to me it is now didney

[@markgodfrey1693]

smg4 reference?

[@AleesaTana]

What I find interesting about the X-Men franchise being back with Marvel, is the Rogue and Carol Danvers story line being more of a possibility - the Rogue I grew up with had Carol's powers and her psyche trapped in her mind... Heck Mystique was originally a Ms. Marvel villain, and Rogue was meant to debut in that comic before it was cancelled.

[@GrandArmyGaming01]

8:31 "So apparently Marvel gets custody Wednesdays and every other weekend" Nice Three Days Grace reference

[@gravity4261]

For a second I thought the thumbnail was matpat flipping us off with the gauntlet. I am disappointed

[@ImJayy583]

Flipping**

[@YawnerCube]

@@ImJayy583 *flicking

[@ImJayy583]

Was no

[@ImJayy583]

Wait I thought you meant the middle finger

[@Voluse]

@@YawnerCube *fricking

[@jamesw5952]

It’s true , Disney was supposed to be a friendly angel not a monster of massive and powerful control

[@paternusowen2106]

The same thing is happening with Nintendo, at least to a certain extent

[@yesnomaybeso8633]

@@paternusowen2106 How much did Sega pay you to write that reply?

[@paternusowen2106]

@@yesnomaybeso8633 50 dollars

[@famillesabot5719]

That capitalism yude🧐🤑💸💵💲💰

[@beforecuddlybunnylps841]

@@paternusowen2106 good thing it wasn't 50 cents. That would be close to slave labor.

[@DrayLoco]

Honestly, I thought Dark Phoenix was pretty good until the last act which was just kinda okay. And The New Mutants had so much potential and a great cast if it was a TV show it woulda been great, but I still really enjoyed it

[@dookieplanet2026]

Spoilers for Far From Home, this theory is correct when it comes to the scrull talk

[@duhreel1]

I wish the hereos weren't all divided owned by different companies and just run by marvel alone no other strings attached

[@reverseflash8520]

Marvel is dead, only Disney remains.

[@Electru522]

And that's what Disney has been working to undo. Like Matpat said, Marvel was broke at one time, and the best way for it keep the lights on was for it to sell the rights to their characters. They didn't want to do it, they had to.

[@user-fi3or2ee7k]

@@reverseflash8520 Disney owns all. Netflix can hopefully hold them off in streaming but movies have been taken over

[@vinhtiennguyen9876]

Well one thing for sure is that disney hasnt been able to get back the rights to hulk from universal, so much for owning all

[@jactheripper7852]

Duhreel Vlogs give it a couple years. Disney will own everything once more

[@r5037]

If fox had just adapted the Phoenix saga properly they would have been fine. The similarities are only there because phoenix was so watered down that it was unrecognisable.

[@TheRezro]

I even joking that it should be in fact Onclought, as split personality was his thing. Dark Phoenix was eldritch abomination convinced to be Joan, after all. Whole gimmick was that she was so disjointed from her memory that enemy could easily convince her that she was someone else.

[@markchapman6800]

Fox saying "We learned nothing from the failure of rushing this epic story out as a single movie the last time, and we'll make it In Name Only anyway, including shoehorning in Mystique and Magneto even though they had nothing to do with the original" made it very easy for me to just ignore it.

[@crazzoverdrive6848]

Disney: Sup We need money so we are going to make Great Movies Bad! Me: Yay!

[@mistymoooooor]

When I watched dark phoenix with my family, when we realized they didn't do there X-Men intro, we knew it was bad.

[@IIDynamoDuckII]

My 1st thought when I see an X in a circle like that, is "The X Files"

[@aquicha8168]

Same

[@prinsessLee]

When i read that i thought it was ThE x *FliEs-*

[@jvpro2076]

I think of stupid tic-tac-toe

[@WhiteRaven696]

Ironic that Carol Danvers, the only non-mutant superhero to be an X-Man, would be the cause of their death at cinemas. lol

[@Darksilverjesse]

by the rules set in the comics, back when angel was being used to "cure" all the mutants. "any being possessing an abnormal ability; speed, flight, fire, psychic, or even transformation; be it from birth, accident, or intention is a mutant. we are all brothers and sisters" by those rules, the hulk is a mutant, marvel is a mutant, quicksilver and skarlet witch... oh wait, they are in x-men too...LOL. many mutants have the same or similar origins, just look at wolverine and sabertooth, spike and toad, gambit and rogue. it isn't uncommon in the Marvel Universes for multiple characters to have the same story, just slightly different. NightCrawler even references that he has stopped in the wrong dimension before because it was so close to his own.

[@TheRezro]

@@Darksilverjesse In real Marvel lore Earth was once visited by godlike aliens known as Celestials (Starlord dad) who perform weird experiments on humans, creating race of immortal Eternals aka Homo Immortalis (like Thanos, who is in fact a human). After they move from Earth other aliens come to Earth and perform own experiments creating Inhumans from residual Celestial DNA, but Hive rebellion force them to evacuate and surviving Inhumans into hiding. After that yet another aliens come and did basically the same, with over time Dr. Charles Xavier forming X-Gene theory defining those possessing Celestial DNA as Mutants or specifically Homo Superior. Both X-Man (organization) and Inhumans are considered as mutants. In fact many unrelated heroes (like Squirrel Girl) also are considered as mutants, even if they don't associate themselves with the movements. Mentioned case of Hulk is unclear. His father believed that he is a Mutant, but did they ever used blocker on him? It work only on real Mutants, what yes, include majority of superheroes, but not all of them. Anyway Phoenix Force is an alien and despite what shitty movie saying, not Joan Gray. Joan was only one of many its hosts, what in fact include also Mar-Vel.

[@jaeusa160]

All of this is even more ironic since Rogue literally stole Ms Marvel's powers and put the character out of commission for some time in the bygone old days of the X-Men, and is also the Rogue from the 90s animated series that introduced a lot of folks to the franchise. Really comes full circle. Rogue, the character that removed Ms Marvel out of comics for a while, kicks off the first X-Men movie... Ms Marvel dunks the last one until the MCU gets them.

[@switchgamer2788]

MatPat and Mickey Mouse: The greatest rivals of all time

[@nicholasgidzak8698]

the funniest part of this.... "Wednesday and every other weekend" is actually my custody till I get a judge involved :p

[@adamsadek2864]

When I first saw the dark phoenix poster, I was really far away from it. and I thought it was captain marvel, since both posters are very similar.

[@lunabistudioo]

Mr Mordacai Smith ikr I mean nowadays almost ALL the posters are red and blue lol

[@SBTheDemon]

Bill Gates: I’m the richest man alive probably. Mickey Mouse: *Hold my clubhouse*

[@walkingfortress9698]

Hotdog hotdog hot digidy dog🌭🌭🌭

[@abigduck4943]

I think Bill Gates isnt the richest man alive rn

[@marcustepase2997]

Meeska, mooska, Mickey Mouse!

[@RockBottom7626]

That title goes to Jeff Benzo.

[@Mu1tiGames]

King Yamcha 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@EloquentTroll]

I really want a Dark Phoenix movie to work. The comic and the 90's cartoon both knocked it out of the park, Fox nailed it once, but couldn't do it outside of animation. They got Days of Future Past so right in animation and live action. And of the X-men centric stories those are 2 of the most iconic.

[@gypsybelle4757]

Such a shame. I love Dark Phoenix/Jean Gray. She’s an awesome character. I feel like they wasted it.

[@theuglynakedguyfromfriends8134]

Was listening to some good old movies soundtracks enjoying the hell out of my time but then the Matpat's notification popped up , and you know what i had to do . The hardest choices require the strongest wills.

[@xander5762]

Which soundtracks tho because I want to make a list of movie soundtracks to listen to

[@brandonm7952]

Rumen Videnov o l d m o v i e s

[@shenzai1347]

I wanna know which soundtracks as well

[@theuglynakedguyfromfriends8134]

Soundtracks from movies like the original Blade runner, or Star wars , anything epic goes like Portals in endgame.

[@fabrisseterbrugghe8567]

It doesn't help that X-Men already did a bad version of Dark Phoenix with X3.

[@jaschabull2365]

We do not speak of X-Men: Last Stand.

[@uhoh6706]

I’m the juggernaut bitch

[@computerguy6264]

It wasn't any worse than the new one.

[@Hyntin]

Yeah, as soon as I heard the name Dark Phoenix, I lost all interest. That is the legacy of X3. Cpt Marvel had nothing to do with it. At least for me.

[@Oshawatt]

Fabrisse ter Brugghe yeah and that those movies were tied in with the new ones in days of future past with Jean still alive

[@michaelweiss5320]

When I first started reading Xmen in the 90s, even I got confused. I thought Ms Marvel and Marvel Girl were the same person, until I read up on Rogue's back story. Rogue got her strength, flight, and near invulnerability from Ms Marvel. That's right, Rogue permanently steals Ms Marvel's powers, by accident because Carol put up such a fight and Rogue held on way too long. Not only that, Rogue for a time actually believed herself to be Carol Danvers, because Rogue also absorbs the memories and personality of whoever she touches. Rogue was a villain at the time, having Carol's personality is what drove her to seek Xavier for help and how she became an Xman. This all happened before Carol became Captain Marvel, she went by Ms Marvel at the time. That's why you don't see Rogue flying around punching things in the Xmen movies because the Xmen and Avengers have yet to cross over in the MCU. Plus Captain Marvel didn't get her energy powers until the aliens called the Brood got ahold of her. That's when Carol went by the name Binary. Carol wouldn't become Captain Marvel until much later.

[@invaderbrickstudios900]

Film theory request : In season 3 of ninjago, the city called ninjago had turned into a futuristic paradise with flying cars, drones and robots until a computer virus of a evil overlord took over and created a army of robotic ninja called nindroids so its up to the ninja to save the world(if you don't understand what I'm talking about look up ninjago masters of spinjitzu season 1 - 3 or12) at the season final after one of the ninja sacrifices himself and the overlord was defeated then throughout the entire series everyone in ninjago city decided to abandon all enhanced technology and go back to current technology we have so is it a good idea to abandon AI and envane technology when it goes horrible wrong then after the war against the robots should we not remake technology? 🤔 It makes more sense in the show.

[@invaderbrickstudios900]

Thank you now spread the word please 😁🙏

[@duntless8810]

@@invaderbrickstudios900 uhhh fan boy

[@josephmacha]

Thanos: I am Inevitable Iron man: I'm about to end this man's whole career

[@Cheshieruu]

--and my own whoops

[@rinalds1620]

how original

[@sashamendelson876]

What's actually terrifying is that Disney will own most of our entertainment in the future 😨

[@DPAE-xc4ph]

It's illegal for them to own more than 50% of the entertainment industry.

[@aqwkingchampion13]

I mean, WB is still putting up one heck of a fight.

[@onespiker]

@@DPAE-xc4ph i think it is ilegal for them to buy into 50%. if they grow like this its still legal as long as they dont try to destroy thier compietion

[@abigduck4943]

U dunt want that they treat me like a kid

[@eng3d]

Our? I look elsewhere

[@Multihazardkerbecs]

You will have to do a theory on Godzilla King Of The Monsters

[@jjw0078]

when he said marvel went bankrupt idk why but I started laughing 🤣🤣🤣

[@GoldenSpoon109]

Why are there so many Endgame meme commenters in an X-Men comments section? Oh well, I guess they’re inevitable.

[@engelbergmunoz3179]

Because the left over avengers stragglers, Game of thrones fangirls, and anti-statis quo anarchists who want to be the anti thesis of everything are the only people who even bought a ticket to this overrated and underwhelming sophie turner cash check.

[@shmackbob]

Hi dad I’m joke

[@isolofvtion]

And I,h am Iron Man

[@isolofvtion]

This comment deserves like 20k more likes

[@ohrats731]

Lol the circled X on black just makes me think of X-Files. But yeah I didn’t even know Dark Phoenix was out yet 😂 And shhhh I love all the Wolverine movies 😂😂

[@JohwnE]

I love how Matpat have a "rivalry" with Micky Mouse and Disney in his videos as if they actually care irl lol, NEVER change Matpat

[@higorsilva9818]

"turning heel" I understand that reference

[@ietsbram]

also: all of the marketing was based on having 1 'famous' person in a big role in the movie, that stuff never works unless you have an absolute legend, and sophie turner simply isnt that (yet)

[@thorodinson4380]

And she never will be

[@thorodinson4380]

@TopMedia1 lol does she? She's just famous for Game of Thrones Nobody cares what happens to her after that

[@xenosaga8436]

@TopMedia1 lol not really. She was mediocre at best in Game of Thrones. Her other movies were either terrible or no one has heard of them/may also be terrible.

[@pyrosianheir]

This thing between Matt and the Film Theory version of Mickey is starting to worry me... Are you okay, Matt?

[@nathenewendzel7806]

Jean Grey and Marvel Girl were originally the same character in the comics, but over the years, they were formed into two different women characters. That could be why you see so many similarities between the two.

[@davidmeigs2152]

Really, I was just sad that we won't get any Skrull Secret Invasion / Dark Avengers movies...

[@7heGame7ester]

Me: Ha! Try and make me believe that captain marvel and Jean Grey a the same! Matpat: Hold my beer...

[@pedropimenta896]

Diet coke*

[@FTWorWTF]

Whiskey for life.

[@TheRezro]

Mar-Vel was always one of hosts of Pheonix Force. Because shitty adaptations don't understand that Joan and Phoenix aren't the same, it doesn't change this fact. PS: If I would retcon X-Man in MCU, I think it would make most sense if that was thing of the past with Xavier erasing humanity collective consciousness of mutants. After all X-man and Inhuman are basically the same and they in fact already introduced Celestials (Ego) and Ethernals (Thanos) anyway. Also Joan is dead also in comic.

[@CybersteelEx]

@@TheRezro No more mutants

[@xxshadow-_-gamerxx1932]

@@seerkambanelangovadikal8099 Haha how old are you ? 🤣

[@godzillakingofthemonsters5812]

How the Hell did Dark Phoenix do better in its opening than Godzilla did? It has worse ratings and is an inferior movie, not to mention it kinda has the fatigue explained by MatPat here. Of course, Godzilla's got a decent amount of money, but King of the Monsters deserved way more for the effort put in.

[@nikt12]

because it's a marvel film. Disney market their movies like Jehovah witnesses. It's almost impossible to miss a trailer or Ad about it. You'll see posters, billboards, news articles, talk shows. You will walk down the street and a flyer in the wind will slap you in the face. it has global coverage. and literally anyone from 8 to 50 will probably watch it. and it's a new film. A new story. Sort of. Godzilla tho.... barely got any marketing done. Isn't showing in all countries. most people think it will be shit since the last one was kind of a disappointment and this is a sequel. (and judging by the reviews... they would be right)

[@lindacauso4952]

I realized that too, i personally thought Godzilla 2014 and 19 were great movies

[@Metrion77]

1. The marketing for King of Monsters wasn't as extreme as other Kaiju movies. 2. The Xmen movies have been summer blockbusters with good marketing for almost 20 years straight. 3. Dark Phoenix is the final Fox X-men movie. Season and series finales always draw more attention. 4. Comic book movies are dominating Hollywood. Kaiju movies are suffering from infamous flops like Godzilla 2000 and the more recent one that barely had Godzilla in it.

[@lordraiden7397]

Found you >:)

[@JS-uh3ms]

Agreed

[@loganentertainment1814]

This isn't a theory, this is a fact. 👍 Amazing j0b matpat. 👌😀

[@Alonknido]

I was legit so tired that one moment I was at the start of the Theorie, and the other moment it was done.

[@NikGushue]

My dad had seen Dark Phoenix and as he was describing it, it became clear that they also ripped off Jessica Jones (car crash and guilt) and Fantastic Four (Space Accident and cosmic rays)

[@redharrison894]

Captain Marvel ripped off X-Men!

[@gloriousporpoise9731]

@@redharrison894 how???

[@hectorvega621]

@@gloriousporpoise9731 Did you not watch the video?

[@gloriousporpoise9731]

@@hectorvega621 I did but they didn't rip each other off

[@beetrus]

jeans backstory was there before jones's

[@elboesen4895]

Dark Phoenix: Captain marvel: I'm about to end this mans whole carrier

[@spinsaw]

Fuck Captain Marvel

[@KarAtFeng]

Fuck this joke is getting old

[@parker0216]

you mean woman's whole carrier

[@Lynch2507]

@@spinsaw rEeeeeEEeEE

[@Xeroh_01]

spinsaw Dark Phoenix is still better that pics of crap hero.

[@Amy-ev5rv]

This aged so well, considering that the skulls have only been in one tv show since 😂

[@mzmuffin]

I really wanted to see this movie especially because the background and how much I loved the actual story I didn’t get to see it.

[@IchigoKurosaki_]

Lets face it the Wolverine made the X-Men franchise 👌

[@johnny5936]

X men died when Logan did.

[@jeremystarnes2955]

And Iron Man made avengers a franchise

[@axelvaughn9625]

This is a shame because I like Jean more than Logan

[@hyejoohye]

Jeremy Harris true but we still have many avengers left

[@HandmadeGoose97]

@@johnny5936 X-Men were already dead, Logan and the wolverine movies were the defibrillator keeping them alive

[@THEAdmiralXizor]

Dark Phoenix failed because everyone knows that it's irrelevant to the MCU. That is all.

[@rigatonipasta]

Sad but true tbh. It could've been good, but feminism wins all.

[@albumkosong]

Not only that but the movie itself is bad

[@seby826]

it also felt like the mid ( not so great) movie of a trilogy not the end

[@FluffleFluffs]

@@rigatonipasta what does feminism have to do with anything? What sense did that even make? Without context your comment sounded pretty sexist dude. And yes I'm a guy.

[@bkdmode]

@@rigatonipasta What does "feminism" have to do with why Dark Phoenix sucked so bad? If they had kept the original ending the movie probably would have got a few percentage points higher on the Tomatometer thanks to a more action-packed finale but it would not have changed everything else that made the rest of the movie suck. How do I know the movie was bad? Because in previous movies QuickSilver had memorable, standout scenes but for the life of me I cannot remember what he did in his "big scene" in Dark Phoenix. Even the characters that are supposed to be the best, Charles and Magneto, are boring in this movie.

[@Random_BS2889]

Fun fact: if you search on google disney 666 you will see secret 666 in walt disney logo ( and if i die you know who killed me Little help: 0:21

[@tinoheat728]

I remember when Shazam just “recognized songs”.

[@kinsonliu520]

"If at first, you don't succeed, then sell, sell, sell to Disney"

[@thehalobrony9050]

And thats not what happen in 2009. Marvel studios was originaly under Paramount Studios during half of the face 1 movies. Then Disney made an offer that Marvel could have denied. We all owe our thanks to Disney that made helpt made the MCU and all the movies we loved (and dislikes) from.

[@omegared7814]

Ypu stole that from the viedo shut up

[@billcipher779]

Omega Red Dipshit

[@omegared7814]

@@billcipher779 dumb ass bitch

[@omegared7814]

@@billcipher779 stupid bitch

[@xtarza9981]

HEY MATPAT!!! I have a theory. I think that “room” and “13 cameras” are connected. Please look into it. Please like so he can see this.

[@mylifeisalie2410]

Abby Hart like the movie room

[@SpoolSpoo]

BUT THATS JUST A THEORY A FILM THEORY

[@itsmytoast666]

I need to see these films, but I know what they are. I'm commenting to help boost chances. That's how it works, right?

[@xtarza9981]

yeah thank you 😁

[@xtarza9981]

The Elemental Penguin well then don’t like it and delete your comment.

[@yo_so_lo2.068]

Not only is there a lot of overlap but there was so much hype and hunger for captain marvel ever since her symbol was seen at the most recent movie in the avengers series up to that point. And sadly the x-men instead of being intertwined it was just more of a separate series, heck it almost seems like an entire separate series. And the x-men series just kinda gets lost and almost forgotten, except for the x-men movies that we all love. So yes I can see how you see a lot of overlap but the biggest problem for dark Phoenix was the love for the whole intertwined avengers universe and the almost separate x-men universe.

[@TominatorT-]

Dark Phoneix feels like if The Asylum made a Captain Marvel mockbuster

[@GetInThereATrain]

Anybody think that the shape-shifting aliens in X-Men looks like Jeffree Star

[@marksilla8276]

I feel so bad laughing at this

[@Karma_andSage]

and that alien from Doctor strange 👽

[@aliens566]

Jeffree star probably is a shapeshifting alien

[@jakeneubauer8069]

@@aliens566 not probably

[@woomygamer642]

@@jakeneubauer8069 r/Wooosh

[@livelygrind]

What's Dark Phoenix? THE X MEN ENDED WITH DAYS OF FUTURE PAST. POINT BLANK.

[@DebitAdams]

I would say Logan

[@anonymousaccount4483]

GameOn/GameOver Well sir, it’s an irrelevant prequel (First Class and DOFP are prequel but not irrelevant)

[@marieduran6286]

You are correct sir! I think something happened to Prof. Xavier after dealing with the Dark Phenix that weakened his telepathic powers and made him susceptible to strokes, then someone that is more powerful than he is influenced Wolverine, thus causing the Manchester Incident. I believe that it might be Prof. Xavier's twin sister.

[@japanrocksgousa]

The original 2, then deadpool, then logan,then factory reset.

[@josephtpg7329]

I agree that X-Men ended with Logan. Unless Deadpool can revive it.

[@Andrewgb904]

What if in endgame they were all skrulls and iron man is still alive

[@Crow_Smith]

Disney: We can't confuse audiences Marvel: ... have ... have you read ANY of our comics? ...Ever? They're constantly contradicting other issues and we just slap an "Alternate Universe" on that bad boy. Disney: ... we'll use that for the Multiverse cash cow BUT no otherwise no