Film Theory: Did Thor's Post Credit Scene Just Set Up [SPOILER]?! (Thor Love and Thunder)

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Spoiler warning for Thor: Love and Thunder!
Theorists, the installment in the MCU is out and we NEED to talk about it! I think this movie is setting up the next BIG EVENT in the Marvel Cinematic Universe... the second Civil War. If you are familiar with the comics, you may see where I am headed with this. From the events happening in Ms. Marvel, the new Captain Marvel film coming out soon, and the events of Thor Love and Thunder - there is a LOT to talk about!
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[@_marshP]

I COMPLETELY forgot that Stormbreaker's handle was Groot's arm. It explains the sentience and actual emotion it seemed to show during the movie

[@professionalmexican7919]

These are some nice reply's...

[@doom4627]

That makes sense

[@ProScope_]

@Don't Read My Profile Photo ok then

[@ProScope_]

@Don't Read My Profile Photo and how TF do you read a profile picture

[@ProScope_]

@Don't Read My Profile Photo and we all know you are a rickroll

[@crazyJman80]

I still think the MCU needs Dr. Doom as a primary antagonist throughout an entire phase or so.

[@benito23453]

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[@HeroDM77]

he might be. think something they r gonna be doing is an overarching villian (like thanos) with a phase wide villian.

[@thatonerotom8999]

@just i c e Finally it’s here 🖕

[@rafaellariosa4815]

You know what? After seeing how the last MCU projects haven't really been that good; I hope they don't bring Dr. Doom into this yet. If he appears, I'm pretty sure he'll either be a female version or a misogynistic male asshole who's incompetent

[@wil3216]

it might be kang

[@abumwiththedrip]

It wasn’t quite that Gorr died from being wounded in battle, they mentioned the sword infected and corrupted him and he would soon die without it.

[@harryh4h720]

Yeah from what I picked up the sword was killing him but them destroying it probably inflicted a fatal wound to his soul or something

[@ahleenah]

Didn’t they say that the sword already killed him and the only reason he was still walking and kicking was because of the sword?

[@jacobwong7486]

The Necrosword corrupts and slowly kills the user. Gorr was not dead yet but he was dying. They destroyed the Necrosword because he would be powerless without it.

[@Gregbolso]

that and what everyone else said plus they said it was similar to how Mjolnir was killing yet empowering Jane, without their weapons both would succumb to their sickness quickly

[@jacobwong7486]

@@Gregbolso Mjolnir left Jane’s body unable to fight cancer. Gorr was not sick.

[@connorhancock8108]

I don’t know how they missed this, but there is already a character named Love (technically Mistress Love) and she is literally a child of Eternity. I’m assuming that’s who it’s supposed to be, but who knows for sure

[@adntigger71015]

THIS. Really shocked with the amnt of research they normally do.

[@seanmaddex4104]

@@adntigger71015 they seem to struggle a lot more in the comics I tend to put my faith in new rockstars predictions

[@myviking1792]

I was just thinking that, isnt she the pink-clad blond who looks weirdly out of place next to all the other forces of the universe?

[@GokuInfintysaiyan]

Do you think they will do "Then and Now". That seems to be where they based a LOT of the Eternity lore. Granting wishes like Then, the center of the universe like the house of ideas is the center of creation, etc etc

[@archivesEris]

I think they may have overlooked it because the character of "Mistress Love" doesn't seem to have a whole lot to do with the new character. Their powers/abilities are notably different (Mistress Love can manipulate emotions and the only power we've seen from the kid is a laser blast) and Mistress Love is an "Abstract Entity" as old as existence itself, whereas the kid "Love" is very clearly supposed to be the resurrected spirit of a dead girl who is only now infused with some kind of cosmic power. These characters don't really have anything in common other than a connection to Eternity and the name

[@eddphrog]

week 10 of asking for a ‘which total drama challenge is the most deadly’ episode

[@maestrounknown9775]

Not really hard so pointless

[@cortwist7924]

Oh that's a good one

[@m3tamorphosissystem250]

NOOOOO, we are NOT giving that f**king show ANY atention #CancelTD

[@jaspergreene3817]

I can’t ruin this like streak

[@jaspergreene3817]

Nooooooo it’s past 69

[@nabongobong9155]

I think I agree with the fact that Odin's adopting-children-from-your-enemy cycle is now continued. IDK if they planned this or not from the beginning, but it sure does beautifully rhyme. Its like poetry, it rhymes

[@ZenShroud1]

Korg is the key to all this.

[@143Oshawott]

They 100% planned this considering Norse mythology is all about cycles and repeating events. And even with what you said, Norse mythology can be divided by the prose Edda and of course the Poetic Edda meaning a lot of the stories actually come from poetry.

[@toonasag]

That sure is true. Poetic.

[@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569]

@@ZenShroud1 I hope people actually get this reference lmao

[@tewoldemedhin12]

@@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569 4,5,6 1,2,3 in that order

[@johnjamesedwards3349]

Also, the girl playing Love is actually Hemsworth's daughter. Feels like Love and Thunder is also a Hemsworth family reunion.

[@travisscottgaming6885]

I didn’t know that. That’s so cool

[@wj40014]

and chris's wife is in this movie too

[@delsingeiming]

"She could weild Storm breaker" Every can lift that, except Mjolnir. Only Mjolnir require "Worthy" to lift the hammer

[@BullyParkerMaguire]

yeah

[@thomasregimbal989]

My head hurts trying to read that sentence "everyone can lift stormbreaker mjorinor is the hammer that requires you to be worthy to lift"

[@stopstaringatmewtf7651]

A thought about Love: Whenever she first appeared, her appearance in the water reflected that of a being made of stars. That reminded me of a Marvel character called Singularity, who I know is a new-ish character who appeared in the A-Force books.

[@dens790130]

Eternity is also pretty much made of stars ( and callsback to Guardians of Galaxy 2 )

[@shadowmarauder6033]

Thats exactly what I thought! I genuinely thought the girl was Singularity.

[@sabertoothsentry1418]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. That reflection looked really similar to Singularity

[@gaija4819]

Thank you! I’m glad someone said it!

[@hailey5258]

I honestly thought the female was infinity who is eternity's sister who you meet in the silver surfer series .

[@idontneedtoexplainmyself6346]

I personally like to believe Love, is the MCU’s version of Singularly. A cosmic being with no set origin in the comics yet, and looks very similar to how Love’s reflection looked in the water

[@savaged49]

I was thinking the exact same thing. Surprised they didn't make the connection

[@tony9650]

im happy to see we are on the same page here!!!

[@Antonio-ys5zd]

Be better than what the marvel executives are muddling up

[@itsArcanAramA]

100 percent agree, I saw the reflection in the water and Singularity was the first thing on my mind.

[@brittneyann5530]

BRB now I gotta look up singularity. I’m a newer marvel fan and I’m so excited to be a part of the releases and theories as they’re happening

[@capjackson3796]

"Powers only limited by your imagination" was always SO dumb because the small minds of the wielders. Green lantern is a perfect example.

[@Rosesneedlove54]

4 उलटी गिनती: 1. 1, 1443 दिन (07/29/22) WW3 तक द हार्टलैंड विद बकीज़ में आता है। 2. उपरोक्त तिथि से 743 दिनों में, "द एंटीक्रिस्ट" सभी के सामने प्रकट हो जाएगा, वह हमें WW3 में हमारे दुश्मनों से बचाने में मदद करेगा, फिर यूएसए को बचाएगा, लेकिन फिर यह सब अपने ऊपर ले लेगा। 1970 के दशक के अब्बा गाने से भी बदतर। 3. नेताओं या उन लोगों के लिए जो धर्म, राजनीति, पॉप संस्कृति, संस्कृति, चिकित्सा, आदि की ऊंचाइयों और ऊंचाइयों पर हैं। वे गिरेंगे और उनकी मदद करने के लिए भगवान द्वारा न्याय किया जाएगा ("द एंटीक्रिस्ट" चढ़ना। यह उलटी गिनती 1,500 या उससे कम है। इन दिव्य आंकड़ों को अंतरराष्ट्रीय वार्ता में किसी भी राजनयिक के रूप में देखा गया है। वे अब्राहम, इस्सैक, जैकब की दिव्य त्रिमूर्ति हैं। और जोसेफ। मुझे लगता है, हम अब "हाइकोस" या गुलाम नहीं हैं। यह भाग 1 है। यह 1,500 या उससे कम है, इसे इज़राइल, उसके लोगों और मसीहा के दत्तक बच्चों के लिए छोटा किया जाएगा। 4. यह भाग 2 है , अंत में, जीवन का अनन्त जल, मेम्ना, सर्वशक्तिमान, पवित्र आत्मा 1,500 या उससे कम के अंत में वापस आएगा। यह चुने हुए, चुने हुए, इस्राएल के विश्वासियों के विश्वासियों, मसीहा के लिए छोटा होगा , और उसके बच्चे, जब वह फसह के दिन हमारे लिए भेड़ का बच्चा बन गया।

[@captainflowers748]

@@Rosesneedlove54 k

[@darthhunter69]

Yes!!!! They think so small, I can't stand it

[@solarmoon5509]

MatPat. You're missing the fact that there is a character named "Love" in the marvel comics. Mistress Love to be exact. She is basically a cosmic force like Lady Death, Eon, The Living Tribunal, The Watchers, The One Above All (basically the king of the celestials), Infinity, and ETERNITY. She is just on a lower tire than those whom we saw as statues in the gate to Eternity

[@SKy_the_Thunder]

The Star Brand has a fun caveat though: The user doesn't have access to that limitless power at will. The Star Brand only ever makes them just strong enough to overcome their opponent. While a user would be on the cosmic scale when fighting Celestials or the likes, when faced with some Hawkeye, they're at most somewhere around peak human.

[@BrynnBeverly]

that's actually so cool

[@animekun720]

For some reason I feel like the Star Brand will be used for something less important and small scale, such as to explain how a certain Squirrel Girl can beat Thanos lol

[@celeste9958]

The "Just Enough" ability.

[@BrenGamerYT]

"Balancing my character's abilities and finding creative ways to challenge them? That sounds like work! I'll just have their power scale to match whatever they're fighting."

[@SKy_the_Thunder]

@@BrenGamerYT Eh, better have it set up to do explicitly that than just have characters with fixed abilities vary wildly for no reason. And since they still have to use the powers correctly it isn't an automatic curb-stomp.

[@fyrelorde]

My guess was that Eternity transformed into Love, granting Gorr's wish but not entirely. Simply because of the first time we see her is a reflection of Love's silhouette looking similar to Eternity.

[@cullenlatham2366]

there is another option with that design choice. i cant speak on the details of the character but look at an image of Singularity (marvel).

[@isaiahwolftail867]

But eternity hair was flowing in the water but love hair is actually knotted. Hmmmmm lil over site. I think

[@chasethemaster3440]

That doesn’t make any sense I recommend screencrush’s videos about the movie

[@di3yus459]

That doesn't make sense. Creating Love again would be a lot easier than being Love for the rest of a gorr species life time.

[@chicken0w044]

Maybe he wished Eternity to guard Love forever

[@neoncranberries]

What about singularity? In the reflection in the water she looks exactly like her with the same flowing hair. Not to mention the cosmic abilities. She also has teleporting abilities and relations to the multiverse which really fits the theme of Phase 4. Singularity is also young in the comics fitting the new avengers theme (America, Ms. Marvel, etc.)

[@flaviomonteiro1414]

I found the lack of symbiotes disturbing... Knull would be an amazing villain to the MCU

[@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim]

Well. A Venomling was left in the MCU thanks to Sony's Venom spending some time there. So Knull coming seems a bit of an inevitability imo.

[@abdullahasifnawaz7191]

Anything relating to spider man is under sony

[@FNTM2k3]

“Two live-action versions of the same character would confuse people.” We have 3 different Batmen and 3 different Spider-Men, as well as the Spiderverse movies, so I don’t think audiences would be that confused.

[@arty217]

And Japanese Spider-Man

[@noelighile2533]

@@arty217 i correct u Sir/Madam, SPIDAH-MANN!!

[@butteredtoast9073]

Well, they WERE those characters. It would confusing to have 2 current Hercules

[@girafee3454]

No I think this is a little different… two characters both live action being made by the same company is a bit confusing, which is different than there being past iterations. I mean there’s tons of Hercules’s already. I get what you’re saying though

[@aarspi]

The difference is that they’d be in two franchises under the same company. Those examples you give of Batman and the Spider-Man’s are all technically variations of the rights bought under certain companies. And even with spider man Marvel worked with Sony to make it canon that their alternate universe variations. So who is to say Disney won’t make the Live action Hercules the same way? 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@kierandesmond9799]

“She can wield Stormbreaker”… That’s not such a big deal. Sure, it’s a magic weapon, but it isn’t enchanted like Mjolnir. Only Mjolnir requires those to be worthy to wield it

[@elytra404]

well shes also like 7, so any child that join wheilding any weapon let alone one so powerful, is impressive

[@FighterPuppy]

That explains why Gorr and Thanos can lift it yeah

[@ArimasArtadi]

but she can move and put mjolnir in a toy bed

[@arty217]

@@elytra404 I think that Stormbreaker becomes lighter depending on 'Worthiness', that's why she could carry it so easily yet Gorr had to drag it behind him.

[@nophon34]

@@arty217 i saw that as more disrespecting thors weapon then anything else, "dragging his name through the dirt" so to speak

[@KarlKristofferJohnsson]

A remake of the Disney Hercules movie as part of the MCU would certainly be interesting, but now I started thinking about the implications of this. The movie would obviously take place in ancient Greece and show Hercules' backstory. It wouldn't be the first time an MCU movie takes place in the past (Captain America: The First Avenger, Captain Marvel, half of Eternals), so this wouldn't be a big deal. More interesting: Marvel's version of Hercules, while not entirely mythologically accurate, is certainly much closer than the Disney version. How will this movie handle Hercules' parentage? Will the MCU acknowledge that Megara is eventually killed by Hercules? Those are the big two questions that I can think of.

[@lemonamon]

love how HERACLES, the greek god, is constantly called HERCULES, the roman version

[@OrrynThorngate1994]

ikr

[@liljae-man4277]

Just wanna let you know, everyone and anyone can hols stormbreaker due to it not having Odin's blessing so therefore you don't have to be worthy to wild stormbreaker.

[@defintlynoob4263]

Yea, You just need to be strong enough cuz its probably heavy

[@valindaruulutu1014]

i wuz wondering abut that since the villain could drag it

[@thetrueradiodemon666]

Not really because it will be heavy so not everyone

[@defintlynoob4263]

@@thetrueradiodemon666 i literally just said that

[@thetrueradiodemon666]

@@defintlynoob4263 and I'm agreeing with you

[@michaelpfeiffer2787]

In one of the comics Gore actually has a child with the exact same backstory as the daughter. I mean he's a dude but that's like the only difference I'm surprised matpat didn't know it.

[@benito23453]

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[@joshbrosh6626]

Plus the refelection of the girl named love when she was resurected literaly shows singularity Aka daughter of eternity

[@michaelpfeiffer2787]

@@Whats.Next.Videos well yeah I guess but it was pretty strange that he was completely denying it was ever a character seeing how it was such an essential part of Gore's lore.

[@btuttle8]

@@Whats.Next.Videos who do you think comes up with the script?

[@deviiwizard1324]

Is it just me that is triggered that Zeus' son is Hercules not Heracles. Hercules is Jupiter's son not Zeus'.

[@bencastellucci8823]

Ima be honest, the story was a bit wonky but taika was trying a lot of new stuff and it felt very unique like ragnarok and I hope he will do more stuff in the mcu! It was really fun to watch though

[@aedanmannion]

Based off of her cosmic reflection when she was first created I think she might turn into a character known as Singularity. She’s a v powerful younger character who goes on to be a member of the A-Force during secret wars. This could play into the whole star brand thing but I definitely think she fits the bill for Singularity

[@ranwolf7650]

Thank you! I recognized the reflection in the water but couldn't remember the name.

[@OverflowingWithIdeas]

lol 69 likes

[@erichiggins3092]

Isn't there also a theory or rumor that secret wars is the next big plot of phase 5 or 6?

[@sonerec725]

@@erichiggins3092 i believe a "secret wars" movie was shown on that big "phase 4 map" thing they showed off

[@jonathanfranco8547]

Or Captain Universe

[@unknownvariable9239]

I’m excited to see what they do with Hercules. This also opens the door to for so many other potential storylines from the comics, even Dark Avengers.

[@benito23453]

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[@ramonandrajo6348]

Disney is woke now; no thanks.

[@ethan2286]

@@ramonandrajo6348 bro please be quiet

[@ghostielight6341]

Matpat, isn't it a little bit interesting that the MCU is finally introducing Greek mythological figures right when Disney is about to release the PJO series? Just a funny coincidence.

[@name-uh5ee]

Jane's hammer is a lot like the thunderbolt with the whole splitting into a bunch of pieces thing, which is really cool

[@nathanstack3312]

I just realised that it may be that the MCU is having its further future set up as we have a iron man’s daughter, wandas children and love could all be being set up as a future avengers

[@jonnyleeconway]

Setting up the future is literally all this phase has been abt…..you’re just now realizing this??

[@nathanstack3312]

I understood that it was setting up the next phase and the future overarching villan of the next fue phases what I meant was that it seems like they are setting up a team for after the end of the next overarching villan as if we take the years that it has taken to finish the infinity saga that means that the child actors set up now will be teens at the end of the next overarching villan and then they have set up a new team. TL:DR I think that marvel have a team set up for the end of the new avengers.

[@proteincannon]

Oh they're 100% having the young avengers at some point. Sooner than later I'd imagine.

[@Babu_raju_shyam]

Wanda's children are fake in this universe,only eternity can make them true. We will get our favourite young female avengers

[@notErid]

Big kudos to matpat and the theory team for getting a theory out in 2 days!!

[@benito23453]

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[@kris_user7744]

Kudos indeed

[@brandonv6905]

They probably watched it a couple days early

[@strawby7]

@Don't Read My Profile Photo ok i wont bozo

[@ReeseHosgood]

14:17 The only reason I’ve heard of Wonder Man before is because he was a character in Lego Marvel Superheroes 2.

[@Illager22]

That and moon knight comics are the only reason I know who Kang is

[@2006irish]

A round of applause to the great ideas from Bob Chipman! Thank you!

[@AceTrigger00]

I’ve also seen people say that “Love” is also “Singularity” which could make sense with the “Young Avengers” set up. Singularity’s background is also not too well known.

[@retsunomatataki]

You can see singularity in the water when love is first seen

[@MrAwesome1513]

There's another potential character from the comics that wasn't mentioned who also resembled love, that being singularity. when she showed up in the movie, her reflection was that of a young cosmic girl which highly resembled the look of singularity from the comics. singularity has the ability to rewrite reality on a cosmic level, which introduced captain hydra a few years ago in the comics. It would be insane if she is what resets the multiverse at the end of secret wars in the MCU

[@benito23453]

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[@velocidellix]

“Resets the multiverse”…. Yo WHAT 🤯

[@thatonerotom8999]

I honestly think she’s a version of Singularity too, I mean you can literally see the resemblance in her reflection

[@sparkyandredd4061]

I agree. When I first saw her reflection, I thought that she was supposed to be Singularity, and I honestly still think that she’s Singularity. Or will become Singularity in the future.

[@low-key-tony]

She could end (wiping the slate clean) reboot (Maybe?) or fix (restoring the universes that had merged/ incursions) the MCU post Secret-Wars.

[@bixz8646]

Mad respect for making a theory this fast

[@leoistaken_32]

How is no one talking about how Hercules isn't a Greek demi-god? He is the roman version of Heracles, they have basically everything the same, but the mitology is different.

[@Hynra]

Spoilers When Love was first reborn, her reflection (in the water) is very similar to a comic character named "Singularity" from the "A-Force" title. Story wise there's nothing that I know resembles what it is in the movie but her design and powers are pretty similar.

[@mortalsongs]

Didn't expect to see you here. Love the vids!

[@korikorikori]

I think Gorr wished nothing bad will ever happen to his daughter again when she gets revived, so she now has super powers that will protect her no matter what.

[@MyDookie]

Great work making this video!

[@cluelessfull]

I always find something new when I watch your videos.

[@mckennanelson2773]

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[@SoniasWay]

Matpat is now a pro at finding out theories that he found this one in just 2 days

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[@Risingleaf77]

@Blah its do able in 2 days if you work non stop

[@Risingleaf77]

@Blah normally sure, but if there desperate enough they can do it in 2 days. They also have alot of people working on it at once, enough planing it should be easy

[@Athens.1.]

Gorr had a son in the comics so I’m assuming they just switched the genders around especially because both gorr’s son in the comics and gorr’s daughter in the mcu play similar roles by giving gorr his motivation

[@nicholasfactor]

yes but Gorr's son betrayed him, this is nothing like that

[@Kaycee_Ninnie]

Gor had many children both sons and daughters. His son was just the last of his family to die

[@junglejimmithy7884]

With prediction skills like MatPat I bet he would slay at the gamblin’ table

[@billykepner4938]

Here’s another theory: since Hercules is officially canon, are we going to get a live action Little Mermaid to tie into Namor?!?

[@0osaka]

Is Beauty's BEAST gonna join the X-men?

[@Kaycee_Ninnie]

I mean live action little mermaid was announced ages ago Halle Bailey is playing Ariel

[@charleslee8313]

MatPat, you really swung for the fences! I hope either of those ideas are right. I thought that Hercules would be a part of this new "Dark Avengers" team, and would name it after his father's favorite weapon -- the Thunderbolts (instead of naming the team after Thunderbolt Ross)

[@TheRealSuldar]

It wasn't just that he was mortally wounded, his life was tied to the sword.

[@xenofanchronicles9626]

Love seems to be a new version of the Eternity Cube from the Secret Invasion comic run, just not attached to the red skull this time

[@davidbjacobs3598]

It's worth mentioning there is also a character in the comics named Love, with a connection to Eternity. She's one of the abstract entities-- like Eternity, Death, Infinity, and Oblivion, but not quite as powerful. She's more Eon-level of power. However, she typically appears in a couplet alongside Hate. It's not unusual for MCU to drastically alter characters though, so it's entirely possible they're using Love as a vague inspiration for a character destined to become an abstract being or something like that. Alternative theory: Kobik. Surprised this one wasn't in the video, actually. In the comics, Kobik is a Cosmic Cube that's grown sentience and takes the form of a small female child. Probably most famous for returning Captain America's youth (and making him HYDRA in the process, thanks to some meddling by Red Skull). Now in MCU, Cosmic Cube has been kinda adapted but with very different rules and was even renamed the Tesseract, so it wouldn't really make sense for the Tesseract to birth Kobik. But a child born from Eternity, who in the MCU is specifically used as an unlimited power that grants wishes? Yeah, that sounds like Kobik...

[@ked49]

Or singularity, the actual image used for the reflection

[@nathanides7584]

I'd really like a (mini-)theory on where the screaming goats went and where they came from. 10/10 most important characters of the entire movie.

[@soaringraven0]

They're from the Norse mythos themselves as Thor's pet goats. Tooth Gnasher and Tooth Grinder I think their names are translated as.

[@RubyMaster13]

@@soaringraven0 Call them Marvin and Otis!

[@thedragonwarrior5861]

​@@RubyMaster13 ah, another Riordan fan I see

[@RubyMaster13]

@@thedragonwarrior5861 Always and forever.

[@lirich0]

Thank you for not spoiling the movie with the title and thumbnail

[@Hollowdude15]

This was a awesome video to watch and good theory matpat :]

[@MrItsMecro]

I was thinking Gorr's daughter when she's brought back could be the actual entity Love (Mistress Love) from the comics and that's why they call he Love in the movie. Not that she's going have the same "powers" Ms. Marvel has already laid the ground work for having different power sets for characters.

[@thatoneorganictissue]

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[@str33t.]

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[@devlinmcguire7543]

Probably short cuts I'm guessing. Most likely anyway..

[@bagofmoss4710]

Right?! They work so quickly

[@KaeruFroggo]

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[@theeggalorianstudios8680]

My grandma was an extra on the movie and she told me that the children would get stolen and the civilians would fight monsters in new asgard almost a year before the movie came

[@Paradox-es3bl]

I'm surprised you didn't mention that it's actually Heracles in Greek, but we know him by the Roman name, in large part thanks to the animated Disney movie. So I guess it's not a surprise that the new Disney movie also called him Hercules, even though it was freaking ZEUS himself who was calling his son. If ANYBODY was going to get it right, it should've been him.

[@mitchellbambam5926]

One thing I really liked in the movie was just spotting two cool looking Celestials just chilling in Omnipotence City. For me it really helped bring things together. Made me realize how big the MCUs universe is. Everything interconnects.

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[@osmosisjones4912]

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[@jamesmnguyen]

I know right, they were there for like 2 seconds.

[@writer5790]

They were kind taking up half of the screen, but yes it was cool. There were also celestial statues in the eternity ruins.

[@apocalypse8346]

There was also a watcher statue in the eternity place

[@wheresprototype3507]

I'm gonna say this I really liked Gor as a villain, also since eternity showed up I'm now curious if they'll bring the one above all into the series, it would be interesting and I personally would be fine with it as long as he doesn't do much like in marvel since he is "god" and doesn't intervene much since only a handful of people are even aware of its existence (I'm pretty sure spider man is one of them)

[@darky5335]

to be honest, peter was one of the worthy people being able to notice the one above all's existence

[@myleswelnetz6700]

Korg when we first met him: had a mom who had a boyfriend. Also Korg, 5 years later: has two dads. I have nothing against it, but which one is it?

[@brendanp1928]

I feel like the post credit scene was also a bit of a meta commentary on the movie itself because the whole time I was watching the movie all I could think of was how much more silly it was than previous movies and how some fans might think of it as a disappointment, especially because it was the first 4th sequel to a solo movie in the mcu.

[@RiotKurhein]

Noticed you didn't bring up Kobik, a little girl personification of THE Cosmic Cube (apparently not the first time a cosmic cube has done so with the name Kubik previously). However something else you overlooked is that Love being the child of Eternity may be a Protector as well. One that has powers of Enigmatic Force... What I'm getting at is Love could be a version of Captain Universe.

[@screamingfalcon71]

Also, Deadpool has a bit of personal history with Kubik as well.

[@dafryguy7150]

For all the times Bob says he DOESN'T want to cover the Celestial Madona series, he always seems to find a way to bring it up. Lol

[@perseus2955]

I really liked they way Heracles looked, he just jumped out of the Comics

[@OccultGrimoire]

One thing that annoyed me about the post credit scene in love and thunder, and this is quite nitpicky but I since we were shown Zeus and not Jupiter his son should’ve been Heracles and not Hercules as the ladder is the Roman equivalent.

[@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim]

Honestly, I just headcanon that the Gods are referred to by the name most of their followers know them as. Since everyone knows him as Hercules and not Heracles, that's how the gods address him as.

[@sadflowervibes]

Omg yes this has always annoyed me, everyone likes to mix the who up. Its technically not a bug deal but it is a bit frustrating

[@fishfishy8185]

There's a cosmic being in the comics named Mistress Love, who is the "embodiment of love." So maybe Gorr's daughter will lead to that... She is also the daughter of Eternity

[@hiramtroche7511]

I am surprised no one else is mentioning this.

[@N0T04AE]

Was gon say sum but you beat me to it g. I feel like your more right. Sorry Matt

[@Sec_Dec]

I have a weird thing i wanted to say about jane's death that i liked. In norse mythology odin whispered something into the dead baldur's ear and it is never said what it is he said, and my mythology packed brain saw a parallel when jane whispered something we didint hear into thor's ear. Might be me just making stuff up but a bit of brain fodder i guess for y' all

[@funstormkidz803]

Great theory as always Matpat. But what do you think of the fact that Chris Hemsworth said that he won’t let his daughter who plays Love act anymore until she is 18. So they will either have to recast her or stop the character. And it might make his daughter upset to have her character recast and since Chris hemsworth is so important to the mcu they might not want to make her daughter upset. So what do you think their solution might be?

[@buxzw1945]

Thank you for a theory that is different than the predictions I'm seeing everywhere else. Even if this is completely wrong thank you for the fun absurdity rooted in possiblity

[@Scarletpanda17]

What I took from the ending of the movie is a memory from a character introduced in the comic A-Force called Singularity, who is a cosmic level being that even has the same appearance as “Love”’s reflected cosmic appearance.

[@elawinjala1635]

Literally got the notification as I walked out the theater 😹

[@yasminegirard725]

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[@KatXDeSa]

i personally was really into the idea the love is Singularity, also a young avenger i think for a short time, since we already have the twin maximoffs, hawckeye, and america when eternity reincarnated as her in her reflection she looks identical to singularity

[@jaketaller8567]

8:01 Since you brought up Sora, I honestly wouldn’t mind a Kingdom Hearts anime for Disney+

[@johannliebert2870]

We were so close to getting a KH TV show

[@zellaus2649]

Stormbreaker turning into Loves eventual love interest in the future sounds so silly and I’m all for it

[@MysteryMusic512]

She’s been wielding him since she was a child- NOOOOOOO THAT’S SO WRONG

[@glocktop916]

@@MysteryMusic512 Stormbreakers 5 years old and i assume Love is like 6 soo... i dont see whats wrong about it?

[@devindude5381]

You should do a theory about "where the wild things are"

[@Tyegoldgamer]

When I first saw the movie and saw the wish at the end with eternal, I thought "what if someone close to iron man who if they could, would wish to bring him back to life, got the wish, he could be reintroduced to the mcu" they could use that as a way to bring him back

[@spam19]

3:09 Speaking of wielding Stormbreaker, you should do a theory on whether or not you have to be worthy to wield Stormbreaker similarly to Mjlonir because apparently there’s conflicting information that supports both sides.

[@xxxcalibur]

I personally don't think so cause Odin didn't put a spell on it

[@DficienC]

there is no enchantment on stormbreaker so anyone can hold it as long as they're strong enough.

[@gojtron]

I don't remember any info saying Stormbreaker has a judginess, it's just really powerful and need[ed] a strong user.

[@ranwolf7650]

The worthiness enchantment was never placed on Stormbreaker. No theory needed. Spoiler. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Gorr picks up Stoembreaker in the movie

[@frick_____you]

Or whether or not Stormbreaker or Mjolnir is sentient. I mean, Stormbreaker seems to be rather obviously alive; but Mjolnir is a bit more ambiguous.

[@BrentsonJr]

@TheFilmTheorists There’s one big reference I think you missed. When we first see Love’s reflection, she’s a silhouette of stars with bright eyes. The spitting image of Singularity from A-Force. I’d encourage you to check it out. Just thought I’d point that out. Cool theories 👍🏽

[@tyrxian6452]

Singularity* Not Eternity. They do look similar though

[@BrentsonJr]

@@tyrxian6452 I meant to say Singularity. Thanks for pointing that out. Some wires got crossed in my brain

[@AnthonyFloyd69]

My mind went to Kobik when guessing who Love is based on. If her power from Eternity, a wish granter, is similar, that could line up.

[@2to3whiteguys]

Love is a character in the comics, Mistress love is one of the abstract entities and a spawn of eternity. She is part of the third tier in the “cosmic hierarchy” revealed to Thanos in Infinity War (I think).

[@lixen6863]

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@@benito23453 what?

[@timmytimmy6231]

8:13 that invite was for Waluigi you theft

[@historywiththeamericanmoor4716]

Phase 4 of the mic is just diverse and that’s what makes phase 4 so ambitious..grabbing every type of crowd

[@kwayneboy1524]

I like that.

[@enderawesome4521]

One of the things that I was thinking about at the end was if Valhalla was a physical place with a powerful healing effect or something

[@potatoqueen5248]

This is easily one of the most outlandish theories so far, gotta love it.

[@stevenbelfiore9048]

I am a huge fan of The Star Brand. I did not know they brought it into 616 for a second time. I thought that the Collecter had isolated it when that dimentions Earth had been brought into the main time line. There was a big cross over event called "Starblazers" centering around Wendel Vaughn aka Quasar. Thank you for telling people about one of my favorite comic book concepts. You get tripple thumbs up MatPat. (both thumbs and a big toe .. as I lost my left one in an amputation)

[@dg9444]

When he was talking about relatively recent powerful kids in marvel, I thought he was going to mention Kobik.

[@Omegaroth666]

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[@narwhalmyth1382]

I just want to say, I know that this isn't exactly greek mythology, but Herakules wasn't actually a big god, he gaurded the Rock of Gibraltar and was kinda left there after becoming a god, though he was the god of strength and heroes.

[@sarahloveless1726]

Matpat seems to be like the KZbin algorithm: fing up his theories(video suggestions) at first but getting slowly but steadly better

[@Arrowed_Sparrow]

Great video as always. Just to add a couple things. (Spoilers) Gorr didn't die because he was hurt in the battle, he died because the sword curse's it's user. So when it was destroyed the curse killed him. Second, he didn't come up with the plan to go to eternity the sword told him what to do so it could fulfill it's only purpose.

[@ban-kai_z4340]

I like where you were going with the Disney thing. One of my first thoughts when I saw Herc was where could they go from here to introduce the Big Hero 6 into the MCU.

[@TheArtofKAS]

This is definitely a fun thing to explore in the future for the MCU. Herc's intro to the universe was absolutely perfect. I was expecting him... But I just didn't know when so that is going to be fun.

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[@lightnight9822]

I was very happy that I stayed after the first after credit (since there was a second one) Great theory, Mat!

[@blorbothefrog]

honestly I'm not even a little surprised taika waititi went for the "he adopts a child" route, he kinda does the whole family of choice thing a lot in a bunch of the things he directs

[@Xueria]

I am going to do this every time somebody calls Hercules a Greek hero. He is Roman, not Greek. The Greek version is Heracles. I know it makes no difference to the video as a whole, and they are effectively the same character, but it's a nitpicky thing that always bugs me.

[@frostbyte203]

i was thinking that as well, like, why is the Greek form of Zeus calling his son by his roman name, i guess at the end of the day Hercules is what the character is more commonly known as by the world but still an interesting point

[@Rosesneedlove54]

4 Countdowns : 1. 1, 1443 ημέρες (29/07/22) μέχρι να έρθει ο WW3 στο The Heartland with Buckeyes. 2. 743 ημέρες από την παραπάνω ημερομηνία, ο "Αντίχριστος" θα αποκαλυφθεί σε όλους, θα μας βοηθήσει να σώσουμε από τους εχθρούς μας στον 3ο Παγκόσμιο Πόλεμο, μετά να σώσουμε τις ΗΠΑ, αλλά μετά να τα αναλάβει όλα. Χειρότερο από ένα τραγούδι των Abba από τη δεκαετία του 1970. 3. Για τους ηγέτες ή όσους βρίσκονται στα ύψη και τα ύψη της θρησκείας, της πολιτικής, της ποπ κουλτούρας, του πολιτισμού, της ιατρικής κ.λπ. Θα πέσουν και θα κριθούν από τον Θεό επειδή τον βοήθησαν ("Ο Αντίχριστος" να ανέλθει. Αυτή η αντίστροφη μέτρηση είναι 1.500 ή λιγότερο. Αυτές οι θεϊκές φιγούρες έχουν θεωρηθεί ως ανώνυμοι διπλωμάτες στις διεθνείς διαπραγματεύσεις. Είναι μια θεϊκή τριάδα των Αβραάμ, Ισαάκ, Ιακώβ, και ο Joseph. Υποθέτω, δεν είμαστε πια "hykos" ή σκλάβοι. Αυτό είναι μέρος 1. Αυτό είναι 1.500 ή λιγότερο, θα μειωθεί για το Ισραήλ, το λαό του και για τα υιοθετημένα παιδιά του Μεσσία. 4. Αυτό είναι μέρος 2 , στο τέλος, Το Αιώνιο Νερό της Ζωής, Το Αρνί, Παντοδύναμος, Το Άγιο Πνεύμα θα επιστρέψει στο τέλος των 1.500 ή λιγότερο. Αυτό θα συντομευτεί για τους Εκλεκτούς, τους Εκλεκτούς, τους πιστούς της πίστης του Ισραήλ, τον Μεσσία , και τα παιδιά του, αφού μας έγινε αρνί στο Πάσχα.

[@justasammy2522]

Oh my goodness, thank you. I was so happy to see Heracles in the film but when they used his Roman name I just got so annoyed, especially since they seem to be teasing him to be a new big bad, I really feel like they should’ve gotten his name right. I do wonder whether they knew his Greek name and just went with the Roman one as it’s more well known, or if they just couldn’t be bothered doing research.

[@joshhigdon4951]

A Roman you say. And in what year did this historical figure live?

[@CalvinKalisto]

I think that they already know, they're just keeping to the source material.

[@cherryberry44]

Just saw the movie and this theory notification came up as I exited the theater. MatPat always delivers!

[@foodreviews4maum]

Gorr had a daughter and wife at the beginning of his arch. They died due to famine. They were sort of resurrected via the symbiote then his daughter melted away when she became aware.

[@ThePete7499]

Technically Hercules pronounced Her-cu-les AND Hair-I-clease

[@studioplopmemes2985]

yes this movie left me with big questions like: why did they not use all the potential it could've had