Finally Some Needed Changes (And Some Questionable ones)

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[@jacknickolstine3355]

Gtfo dude it took me a half day to grind a stock f16c. Why pander to low skill players ?

[@DEFYN]

Lets see what the rest thinks of this abysmal take

[@singedwaffles]

youre not skilled, you either got really lucky, or just died repeatedly for pity RP like the rest of the playerbase at top tier stock. If you truly were skilled you would know why the stock grind is horrendous compared to previous metas.

[@pern5349]

Yeah but I don’t have time to get the knock off aim 120’s on the Barak 2 so when ever I want to play top tier I just get smashed immediately

[@DerIKatze]

As a, in my opinion, decent enough player, I could probably also stock grind the F-16C over a weekend. But it would be so much pain and in the end not worth the effort, when I could instead be flying planes I'm actually gonna enjoy. This is one of the best changes done in a while. I'll certainly go back to the F-16 once the update drops. You're just salty, stop whining.

[@hornyzero8770]

​@DEFYN you don't gotta ratio that guy within 5 minutes of replying 💀

[@GeneralLee2000]

I can't believe we got stock ARH missiles within a month of the update dropping. I never thought asking for it would get results this quickly 🤣

[@unitedfront9717]

Not asking did that....the player numbers deopping did it

[@PrintScreen.]

@@unitedfront9717 what player numbers dropping, majority of people are nowhere near toptier

[@unitedfront9717]

@@PrintScreen. but the biggest payers and whales in the game are there.....and those are the ppl gayjin cares about

[@Reaver3214]

Cope, all the whales simply buy ARH with ge like me​@@unitedfront9717

[@JamalWitherSpoon]

@@unitedfront9717 The game gets over 100k people concurrently, the bullshit is rancid right now

[@smigoltime]

"One step forward, two steps baaaack!"

[@tencroppy]

they definitely had this in mind lmao

[@TheCadman069]

Do the "Gayjin Shuffle!"

[@junknvamps1804]

More like 4 steps back

[@covidius9511]

Still better than doing nothing imo, at least the meta will get shaken up a bit

[@SpriGgEx]

gaijin as always.

[@bendawg8-wi4dr]

The fact the F-20A is still the same BR as the F-16ADF is crazy, and the Netz being so high without a single radar missile or IRCCM is stupid as heck.

[@SotGravarg]

Fuck the Netz.

[@SotGravarg]

Every Netz player I encountered in custom battles was a total cunt.

[@raketny_hvost]

meet, gajeez balance

[@themanhimself6696]

the F4EJkai being 12.7 is also mad

[@bendawg8-wi4dr]

@@themanhimself6696 give it the AAM-4s! Lmaoooo

[@Wizard-dq8qb]

we've added decompresion to high tier jets, while compressing high tier jets 👍

[@FXIIBeaver]

Too bad. The F-14 and up have way too good a flight model combined with fox 3s

[@senockwurst637]

@@FXIIBeaver yeah now see how you fight a gripen in the f4j uk

[@williewilson2250]

Decompression will never work until gaijin's balancing formula changes, I even said the same when they were moving stuff from 7.0-9.0 up and thing below them got moved up because they started doing better

[@RedMetalSuit]

The f-4s still has to face f-14’s

[@dierare]

@@williewilson2250 I mean, as long as they increase the max BR, something is gonna be decompressed, even if its not the most important things. and things that thrive too much in the new setting can always be corrected later.

[@TheAirborneDaddy17]

The instantly falling drop tanks on the Kfir were just hilarious tho 😂

[@TransportSupremo]

I tried to get them to work and couldn't figure out why they kept falling off 😭

[@dukn]

yeah it was a pain specially in sim battles

[@who_tf_stole_my_name]

I applaud Gaijin for the courage to skip and do 2 br jumps but at the same time holy shit what was that guy that made this list smoking?

[@corsnieland2545]

The fact that every 10.0 in this list goes to 10.3 and the F4C goes to 10.7 is like… what??? Why????

[@Pagan-71]

Because autismo's abuse that thing to base bomb grind and gaijin don't like people zooming through tech tree's with such ease.

[@quantumsage4008]

Shit doesnt even get good armament nor does it get fucking flares. I appreciate gaijin trying to fix compression but wtf they cookin?

[@Eren-cm5pc]

Fr

[@Eren-cm5pc]

@@quantumsage4008 they might give it aim 9j

[@cola-warthunder9888]

The EF FOUR SEE AT TEN-SEVEN??????? TELL ME IT'S GRB PLEASE

[@SwissCowboy87]

the OP starfighters stay at 9.3....

[@thug_a_la_fraise885]

yup, and with the decompression, they will get down tiered a lot. 9.3 and 9.7 planes will be seal clubbing anything below them

[@williewilson2250]

​@@thug_a_la_fraise885give it a few weeks, gaijin will move them up to 12.3

[@toxicmuggle5788]

​@@thug_a_la_fraise885No, the 10.0 uptiers will just be 10.3 now with all of those premiums still being in the bracket

[@tutelbomb]

Well, at least it requires some skill.. The AV-8A deserves a 10.3 br though. I have no idea how that can see Sabres and A4's

[@jetnavigator]

I'm probably the worst pilot in Warthunder and I don't have a problem with them. I just turn and avoid them.

[@abitofapickle6255]

F-4C at 10.7? Its already a struggle bus where it's at.

[@gabo69420]

You think aim 7's should be lower?

[@unoriginalplays120]

​@@gabo69420If you die to a aim7d you have a geniune skill issue

[@glovely4119]

Yea and I was looking forward to getting it soon... May the snail have mercy upon those who fly it.

[@oseansoldier]

The F-4C and the F-105 moving up are criminal (along with the other planes that struggle currently)

[@juamont]

@@gabo69420 with the 4C's radar, you should be more concerned about the Aim 9Es

[@brosonly3389]

f4f ice at 13.3 is kinda insane

[@firestar7890]

yes but actually its the same tbh, bc the top tier went from 13.0 to 13.7 logic states most things shouldve gone up 2 br steps, which the ice did from 12.7 to 13.3. instead of being insane i would say its the (literal) definition of an average change

[@wargames43]

@@firestar7890 the problem is its facing jets with superior radar. AKA you die before you can even get a lock on. nothing changes for that plane and it will sit there in my hangar never to be played again

[@kajmak64bit76]

@@wargames43 Doesn't it have a really nice radar upgrade from like an F-16 or F-18 or something?

[@robertgaudet7407]

It's the same step up as an AV-8+ at 13.0. Stock grind is gonna be interesting for sure. And the F-4F ICE has the same radar as an F-18, so complaining you have a gimped radar is total nonsense. You have a gimped flight model and excellent radar and excellent missiles.

[@brosonly3389]

@@robertgaudet7407 i do enjoy playing it myself, against anything but those 13.0 jets

[@farmcat9873]

Looks like the F-104A,C is still gonna be a monster where it is.

[@NitsuJTrigger]

We really are complaining about the flying pencil in current day

[@covidius9511]

No, no, it's going to get even stronger with a lot of 10.0 and 10.3 planes going up, you will get more downtiers now than before

[@batlax18]

Lol my A4N agrees

[@waggish4999]

​@NitsuJTrigger it's still busted in current day so yeah

[@DaisiesTC]

@@NitsuJTrigger It literally has no counter lmfao. Even before, A-10's and (especially) Su 25's couldn't really contest it. Average 104 players are just braindead and fly headfirst into missiles they can easily outrun.

[@DEFYN]

They are actively updating the list, keep an eye on it: forum.warthunder.com/t/decompressing-battle-ratings-for-top-aircraft-and-accompanying-changes-to-stock-weapons/126276

[@deliriousgaming9432]

I wish the fucking Su-25s would go up in BR in tank RB it’s the KA-50 issue all over again (still yet to see it go up to 11.3/11.7 like the apaches did)

[@middlelb21]

The F-4S is 12.0, the F-4EJ-Kai is 12.7, hmm.

[@jacobluna2932]

F4c from 10.0 to 10.7??? Still no flairs??? Wow gaijin great job now no one's gonna wanna use that thing anymore👍

[@c.v.4070]

Why do you have utorrent??????? please for the love of God use anything else, like qbittorrent

[@saplingseedsaccrew3143]

@@deliriousgaming9432 Which Su-25 for Ground RB? If you are referring to the Su-25 and Su25K at 10.0 they are definitely not overpowered. The plane lacks a targeting pod and the laser designator you get on it does not zoom at all and you have to keep that laser within such a small scope in the front of your plane which cannot even look down that much or at all to the sides so you can never get a BVR kills with the laser missiles. Even if you have a teammate scout the enemy player you cannot see from such a distance that you are trying to kill, you still have to fly in the direction you fired that missile and by the time the missiles reaches its target it still puts you within the range of most 10.0+ IR and Saclos SPAAs. You could alternatively fly low and pop up last second firing a big 50kg explosive S-25O rocket at targets within visual range and break off. To that I say, yes it's quite OP but since its only one type of ordnance that the Su-25 can use its SP cost should go up rather than the plane itself. If you were referring to the 11.3 Su-25T and Su-39 ignore my previous statement but also take into account both these planes lack thermals which still makes it hard to spot enemies even if it does have a Mercury TGP this time around

[@user-mx1fq6qm6i]

6:32 the F8U-2 always had that. Above 950km/h you could pull full elevator for approximately 4 flashes of the extreme overload warning (around 1.5-2 seconds) before the wings would detach.

[@GK_Squid]

I absolutely love the f8u. I'm working on getting the French one now to really challenge myself since there's no flares.

[@anotheralpharius2056]

That is because the extreme overload warning comes up around 10gs but after you hold the elevator for a while at speed the f8u will jump up to pulling 12-15gs which rips its wings

[@benbased7740]

Yeah, once you master net-Ging it at the right times and avoiding wingrips, it is pretty much as powerful as the F8E. But at a lower BR and you really see the difference

[@flamepanzer1767]

@@GK_Squid the french one is also an F-8E, and it gets Magics instead of 9Ds/Cs, but the same br as the U-2

[@waki0069]

​@@flamepanzer1767no flares

[@maukku1572]

F5E FCU being the same br as normal F5E is insane

[@francogaray2649]

ok so the broken asf 104 in 9.3 will still ruin 8.3 matches

[@cofro3284]

If they don't change it with these BR changes then it'll see even less uptiers and more down tiers till they do.

[@francogaray2649]

@@cofro3284 they just need to move it up to at least 9.7, but i think 10.0 will be perfect

[@garrettmiller1355]

This does seem to be a quick fix (as ot was looking at 10-13br). Hopefully this matter will bring attention to the f 104

[@mercerwing1458]

@@francogaray2649 at 10.0 it's sht cause of all aspects and radar missiles, that's why it got moved to 9.3 in the first place. All aspects at low brs ruined everything.

[@robertgaudet7407]

@@mercerwing1458 This.

[@sulferix7265]

about fucking time. now add at least 6 more brs and we are golden.

[@acedia2044]

They'd just put ALL of the planes 6 BRs up (except the F-104 and Mig-19 ofc) and call it a day.

[@h.a8681]

Good changes, but one thing confuses me The Tornados battleratings are all over the place: The German premium Tornado and the tech tree one are at different BRs in air RB, despite the only difference being guided weapons which do not matter in air rb. The Tornado F3 and the Tornado Gr.1 are also now both 11.7, when one has 2 missiles and the other has 8... It just makes no sense

[@cofro3284]

I agree. I don't get how guided munitions are still affecting air RB BRs after the game mode BR split.

[@AMDeZani]

The Harrier GR.7 is the same BR as the AV-8B and Sea Harrier FA.2, despite only having 9Ms and no radar missiles.

[@h.a8681]

@@AMDeZani not anymore, the GR7 is at 12.3 and the AV8/Sea Harrier FA2 are now 13.0

[@DaisiesTC]

@@AMDeZani "only having 9M's" lmfao

[@TrenersLP]

whats weirdest to me is that the Phantom FGR.2, a rank 7 plane, is going to 12.0 whereas the rank 8 Tornado F.3 is going to 11.7? Don't get me wrong 11.7 feels right for the Tornado but why is the FGR.2 .3 BR better, apparently?

[@masterclips7657]

What would really help the 9.3 inbetween the modern planes is to add more Cold War planes like the SU-15 and the F-101 etc.

[@abitofapickle6255]

F-106 delta dart would be sick

[@gabo69420]

Prototype nazi jet planes would be too

[@sotsnek9850]

absolutely agree, was researching aircraft the ussr used during the cold war and I never realised they were missing so many aircraft in wt, although whilst it will help to separate the gap theres definitely going to be nations that don't have that many filler aircraft, Japan and Sweden spring to mind (interestingly though both nations do deserve an extra sub-tech tree so maybe the desired filler can be delivered)

[@ayylmao8901]

@@abitofapickle6255that thing would be nuts It gets HMD and what is essentially an early version of MTI btw. Also the AIM-4G and AIM-26 are pretty decent missiles performance-wise despite the lack of a proxy fuze… (Although the AIM-26 did get a proxy fuze, but only in Swedish service.)

[@KriegsMeister27]

the best way to fix compression would be to simply just reduce the ingame BR spread from 1.0 to 0.7, in other words going from a spread of 4 tiers in a match to 3. This would have a massive effect to improving balance and overall gameplay

[@CJukes]

FGR2/FG1 being higher than the first Tornado F3 is very funny F4 Junk being the same BR as the US Phantom J/S is also comical (It was before but I do not believe that the stats support that at all) the J35XS and the Kfir Canard going up to 11.3 - right after the sale is comedy gold

[@covidius9511]

Yeah the F3 might actually become pretty competitive with all the navy phantoms moving up two brackets and virtually every plane in it's br range moving at least one bracket up just like the F3

[@reinbeers5322]

I prefer to see this as a glass half full. Sure it's not everything we wanted, but increasing the max BR is THE #1 issue, and the rest can be done through later BR change rounds. The 104A and C having no counters means that they'll 100% go up, while the F-4C will go down due to no downtiers.

[@joundii3100]

The Mirage F1CT is going at a higher BR than the F1C because it has a fully digital RWR while the F1C has worse RWR than the F-100 who is 2.0 BR lower and both the F1C and F1CT have effectively the same armement in terms of air-to-air.

[@Squeaky_Ben]

I can see my Milan finally getting some breathing room.

[@teura5509]

These changes are, as Gaijin mentioned in the post, unscheduled, and specifically target the top tier jets, as they too realized it's a shitshow. Actual scheduled changes will come later that hopefully will do something about 9.3 now that there is vacancy. Also, kinda sus to immediately move the premiums up after sales, but it's Gaijin after all.

[@fate3071]

Would you prefer they didn't move the premiums up alongside their TT counterparts?

[@teura5509]

@@fate3071 Of course they need to go up. It's just the timing.

[@fate3071]

@teura5509 it's not like only the premiums are going up, they're reworking the entire BR system. I'd rather that be sooner than later. Sure it's right after the summer sale, but it's obvious that the change was decided based on player feedback rather than malice

[@pignebula123]

Personally I think Gaijin should just push these changes and start getting some data back. Then they should begin making weekly/bi-weekly BR adjustments to balance things rather than sweeping BR changes every 3 months.

[@EpsilonDoesStuff]

I actually sent an email to gaijin about the AV-8B+ stock grind so I guess they actually did something

[@Squisbabvs]

The F1CT at the same br as the early 2Ks is fucking hilarious

[@152mmapfsds]

FINALLY OH MY GOD 13.7????? dawg I genuinely did not think this day would come

[@floydlol8012]

The F104A is going to be insane after the decompression

[@Lushkabr]

the F4EJ was already kinda shit at 11.0, so lets move it up hell yeah gaijin

[@nkvdofficer5047]

A dev probably lost a very easy fight to a F4EJ and now wants to take revenge

[@covidius9511]

the F4 junk got moved two br brackets too lmao

[@Lushkabr]

@@nkvdofficer5047 "yeah you reversed me now lets see how you like THIS reverse" *makes the vehicle unplayable*

[@mrmacedon]

as a lightning f6 player right now this is good stuff!

[@covidius9511]

Honestly I'd rather if they bumped both the F104A/C and the lightning up, and I say this as someone who has played the Lightning a lot

[@THERUBBISHPCKID]

The Tornado GR1 and Harrier GR7 being crucified like that is so unjust, such a bruh moment

[@SkiddyOcean117]

Kfir Canard has an RWR that can't tell whether somone is locking on to it with a radar missile and its now 11.3. Now planes that have only 2 mediocre IR missiles are in the same BR as planes that have 4, 6, 8 with a mix of both and are all aspect?? I thought that 14.0 would be introduced to separate Fox 3 meta from the Old meta and maybe bump up a couple of needed planes for decompression but they just completely changed the game.

[@matheovonkraemer9347]

Sip guys. Italy mainer here! F104s/S-TAF and f104s.ASA are all at 11.3. Basically upgraded f104 t same br. Also now there is basicly no counter for saggitario 2 or ariete at 9.3. GL HF Italy mains and wish for less compressed ground vehicles in the future

[@ravandhika5472]

Yeah, finally i can play my beloved sagittario too🤌

[@dutchdragon2472]

1 step forwards and 2 steps back - Gaijin's motto I think

[@Duality.12]

its not bad, kept most things where they are and moved a couple things around, kinda exited to see how it works out.

[@raihanrusli2720]

I just bought mirage f1c, and soon I will fight gripen. Nice job gaijin

[@savvas_1367]

you have magic2s so...

[@BearcatThunder]

⁠@@savvas_1367that’s literally all the f1 has going for it. Two magic 2s.

[@mati-yr1ym]

I can't wait for my JAS-39A to be playable again so I can get the C

[@Yucioq-]

​@@mati-yr1ymFr

[@savvas_1367]

@@BearcatThunder yea its a pretty bad loadout lol

[@myfartbox4prez882]

9.3s should get moved up, and put the 8.7s that went down recently back up to 8.7. the f104s are the same story as fighting the mig-15bis at 7.7 also never thought id see the day when the average phantom was a higher BR than the mig-23s

[@ICantAIMD]

Wow what a good change, good job snail! A bit late but hey it's a snail

[@zooi_]

i love selecting chaff or flare release mode on my ww1 props

[@DeeVEK]

im glad this makes 9.0 playable again, and sort of helps 9.3 out a little. pretty cool of gaijin, and this is a step in the right direction for sure. Hopefully they make my harrier GR1 by down tiering it, giving it flares, or doing more decompression in the future. Still awesome that a tier 6 9.0 jet doesnt have to go against aim9L's, r60mk's and matra 550 missiles.

[@yatzeegamingop]

Bullshit they are playable. F104 will fuck the shit out of 8.3-9.7 area

[@AirsoftFaction]

the F4c is just dead.

[@MrJibJub13]

i am glad you pointed out the f4ej kai. i was like wait what!!!??!?! .3 br lower then the f15j 🤔

[@baumlord439]

i like that when the f4ej kai was added u were already asking for 14.0

[@FatherExo]

F1 CT has a digital rwr and is lighter, a-10 and frog still in range of vietnam stuff is still bad, 2000s and JH being in the same range is reasonable They’re probably going to buff the KAI eventually (missiles) J-8B needed to stay at 11.0 bc its old as rocks J-7E tbh really should have went to 11.7 instead of .3 and got PL-5Cs Gripers should be 1 step over the legacy 16s and the french A should be 13.3 with the us A being 1 step lower than the rest F-4C being 10.7 was sad tbh could have honestly stayed at 10 or at least only moved to 10.3 GR.7 should be with the rest of the harriers

[@gregc9344]

F1CT has a 'special' radar that doesn't give launch warning for fox 1's so it's the only mirage F1 where you're at least a little likely to hit the 530F

[@firestar7890]

its not the radar its the missile. the 530f is a pulse not a cw missile so it doesnt trigger cw launch warnings like other sarhs do. its the same as other planes with pulse sarhs like the mig-21smt and its r-3r.

[@kajmak64bit76]

@@firestar7890 not only MiG-21's has Pulse missiles... but also J band radar which some RWR's can't detect lol

[@kolecnik]

​​@@kajmak64bit76 bro... Its r-3r... Even if you don't have chaff, you can dodge by just pressing S. Even in F-104's

[@kajmak64bit76]

@@kolecnik i got so many kills with it It's a psychological weapon... people do not dodge it if you use it right... they get suprised by an all aspect RADAR MISSILE It's infinitelly better then R-3S lmao primarily because it's uncaged seeker allowing you to give lead You use it at short range people usually don't have time to react lol

[@jesseramer3639]

Thank you gaijin for Trying

[@quincywoods3221]

I forgot who said it but another content creator called it perfectly, they would make the bison kind of broken to get sales then immediately nerf it a month or two later

[@BenjiBoi696]

So what do we get for suffering through the stock grind prior to the update 🤔 I’ll take a year premium

[@RedVRCC]

So gaijin gives plenty of planes flares that didn't historically have them at least in their in-game configuration. Just give the f104, ariete, and mig19 flarss and move them up.

[@CowBeatsCrow]

I don't know about every plane, but generally they try to only add flares to planes that eventually had flares or had some configurations that had flares, while not necessarily being the configurations we have in-game. To my knowledge, none of the planes you listed were ever capable of carrying flares in any configuration, certainly not the F-104A and C models. I think it would be a huge benefit and make it so you can stick those up at a higher BR where they belong, but I just don't see Gaijin doing that because it doesn't fit their design philosophy, as erroneous as we may think it is.

[@RedVRCC]

@@CowBeatsCrow iirc the F-5C was not supposed to be able to carry flares and as such the airframe didn't even have any provisions for mounting them in pods but they were added in game. I can understand where you're coming from tho, that does seem to be the exception and not the rule. Most planes that didn't historically use them could at least still be fairly easily retrofitted with them in reality. Hell, the earliest F-15As in USAF service didn't have them by default, but they could be fitted. War Thunder can be hard to balance sometimes because there's a careful balancing act between realism and gameplay quality that needs to be maintained. At the same time, gaijin seems to flip flop between favoring realism and favoring gameplay all the time, at least this holds true with ground forces. Hell, even Spookston pointed that out.

[@boranakin710]

The Mig19 and F104 could go up for sure, but the Ariete is just too slow to deal with supersonics so it would still suffer with flares. It is closer to a 2nd generation jet like the Mig15 or La-200 in design than these other supersonics, since it’s from 1956 and locks up heavily past 900-1000kmh. The Aim9B was just being made around 1956 so the ariete having flares wouldn’t make sense.

[@VivyX2]

the jaguars and bucaneers going up again is insane aswell same for tornados

[@jercki72]

well that sure as hell wasnt in my 2024 bingo card

[@crazeelazee7524]

Mirage 2000C-S4 is literally just an S5 but with a huge handicap (34 flares or chaff vs 50 flares AND 48 chaff), so why on earth are they going to the same BR?

[@keenan_wt]

9.3 planes such as the ariete are going to have it incredibly we due to the lack of it being sucked into 10.3 range meaning 8.7s are going to have a rough time

[@keenan_wt]

Just realised defyn said this as I typed it out

[@TheChrikos]

They might also look at fuel amounts and engine consumtion of all Jets, the atleast fixed the f16 fuel guzzeling.

[@capitanbeto1228]

I’ve been using the mig-23bn to grind out the alpha jet and these changes are gonna make my life so much easier. I can barely kill people with my guns because out of 100 matches I’ve had around 7 were down tiers. The rest were up tiers either much faster and better missle planes

[@rikop6806]

RIP my ej kai😢

[@GiantGenome]

same BR as F-16A, MiG-29A, and F-14B, surely this is good balance...

[@fusionx7276]

Bro the ej Kai was such a great 11.7 br

[@pinngg6907]

it is higher than f14a for some reason

[@pinngg6907]

@@fusionx7276 it can't face top tier b4 and now it can 🙃

[@fusionx7276]

@@pinngg6907 was it talking past tense

[@ChannelHandlePending]

Can someone explain to me why having the top tier BR at least at 15.0 wouldnt be a good thing?

[@DTC-ex7wg]

I can at least tell you that it wouldn't be good for Gaijin because they'd actually have to do their jobs properly and play their game at least a little to properly spread out vehicles that far.

[@covidius9511]

It would, but decompressing brs so fast would lead to a lot of shitty br changes and general chaos, it is better to decompress step by step instead of all at once

[@rainsilent]

@@covidius9511 Unless you get players that know what they are talking about in regards to aircraft capabilities to basically do them. If they did this for the entire game there wouldn't be under BRed or over BRed vehicles anywhere. Just bad players complaining because they refuse to learn and get better.

[@x_Degurechaff_x]

@@rainsilent 1. The players could never come to a complete understanding with each other. 2. Even if the players magically were 100% on the same page, doesn't mean that gaijin knows/cares. (tho in that scenario another strike might be possible).

[@lancehamlett3054]

F4c to 10.7 is diabolical

[@Juggy00]

A long time ago in a server far far away there was a 20 tier MM system and all was well…at least before the BR system was introduced.

[@f35clighningii57]

Su17m2 does NOT have to go up

[@cofro3284]

Neither do the A7s and the later SU25s.

[@satnav9699]

@@SotGravarg Its identical (the American one)

[@blaglo679]

@@SotGravarg 5a is literally 5c with better missiles theres no difference otherwise

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​@@SotGravarg American f-5a is exactly the same as f-5c, but without premium bonuses. Chinese f-5a is f-5c with aim-9j

[@kilianfirebolt]

It stays at 10.0 in ground rb

[@Starkogi]

Can someone explain the thinking behind the F4C to 10.7? 2 br jumps? For a plane that struggles to begin with while already facing all aspect missiles and radar missiles. Insane lmao

[@mochabear88]

ty

[@TransportSupremo]

Legacy jets be eating good😊

[@turtledovechen176]

well, very surprise that good old F-104J isn't been move up 6 9P at 10.3 is really strong tbh, even without flare and the Chinese F-104G also have no flare, have fewer missile, yet are been move up

[@satnav9699]

They probably missed it, I made a comment in the forum chain

[@kolecnik]

​@@satnav9699why

[@DiamondSquidy]

F-5C is going to 11.0? 💀I feel bad for the F-5C players 😭

[@gabo69420]

You shouldn't

[@p_filippouz]

Good, that's one less loose end!

[@danaolsongaming]

Don't, we've been eating real good since it was introduced. Now it'll have to rely on being patient and strategically going after targets as opposed to just dominating the match. And it's very possible it'll see downtiers consistently with all the other BR changes.

[@primisto7530]

@@danaolsongaming Not an f5C player but F5E and I've been fucking patient. If someone took the (turn-)fight, I usually won. If not... there was nothing much I could do. Try to reverse the faster plane maybe but if they decided run and I hadn't drained them of energy before that, nothing I could do. The plane will be so boring to fly now I bet 💀

[@danaolsongaming]

@@primisto7530 with the new BR changes, I bet your problem will stem mostly from radar missiles or more advanced IR missiles when you're not paying attention. Otherwise you'll be able to bait a lot of people into following you into an energy trap since most will think the F-5C is just "bad" at the new BR. Whereas before you could just fuck around and still walk away with plenty of kills, players will have to actually worry about positioning so that they don't get third-partied when energy trapping someone.

[@xalywero331]

Can we expect a video on the J-8F? Seems kinda very high BR for just TWO fox-3s

[@saplingseedsaccrew3143]

HALLELUJAH!!!

[@mehmetozturk771]

F4C 10.7 ??

[@thatoneguy1741]

J7D to 11.3 💀 oh Jesus

[@f35clighningii57]

Normal Mig21bis to 11.3 too Edit-Misread as J7E in the beginning

[@cofro3284]

​@f35clighningii57 the J7D is worse than the Bis tho. It could stay at 11.0

[@thatoneguy1741]

@@f35clighningii57it’s MF airframe with the MF engine also

[@DTC-ex7wg]

Who the hell thought the F4Js being higher BR than the Tornado ADV/F.3 was a good idea? I'd love to see who thinks the Tornado IDS match the ADV/F.3 in air capabilities since they are staying the matched in BR.

[@logicmaster756]

Surprise surprise there's always more questions

[@MrCustomabstract]

Nah this actually might be worse than it was

[@mr808stunna]

F4 Kai at 12.3 is criminal

[@shawn7889]

It's going to 12.7 tho

[@Westicle]

F4-E is going to be kind of crazy, it’s main issue was being up tired with f-14s, f-16s, and other 12.0s. With the br changes now you can climb and sling missiles, as well as having little counter from the average player

[@judet2992]

Rare Gaijin balancing team W.

[@Oppiacaleb]

I’ve never been here this early. Edit: wtf are these changes, all the early f16s just got nerfed so hard, playing an early f16 is just gonna be hell

[@amazingstealth8235]

Ah yes. EJ Kai at 12.7. I always complain about why the EJ Kai was higher than the imo superior F-4S. And now not only the EJ Kai is upped in BR by a whole 1.0, but the difference in BR between the Kai and the S is now 0.7 instead of 0.3. Bravo Gaijin!

[@Cheesycat0]

Ej kai is better then the f4s?

[@kizvy]

if it gets aam-3s it should be there

[@amazingstealth8235]

@@Cheesycat0 Does the EJ Kai field six Sparrows, have Agile Eagle wings, and an HMD? (Honestly I'm personally not too annoyed on the unslatted wings of the EJ, but it's an advantage many other Phantoms have over it) The EJ Kai radar is very good, yes, but the radar alone did not make it "BR 11.7" good, and now certainly not "BR 12.7" good. As the other guy below said, it might be justified if it gets AAM-3s. But they don't have them in-game, I don't think they're adding them as its BR gets increased, so I still disagree with its current or future BR increase. I don't think Gaijin is going to add them anytime soon, knowing they barely even look at the Japanese tech tree

[@Cheesycat0]

@amazingstealth8235 the radar is better so the 7f are better on it. It gets 9L insted of 9g and rhe agile Eagle doesn't matter when the f4s needs to bring an gun pound(and its still an f4). Yes it shouldn't be 12.7 but it's better then the f4s?

[@Bezem1944]

Great flareless planes even higher

[@Warmin141]

Ju-87 with gunpods would be defyn (Legendary)

[@ebality]

F-4C at 10.7 is just sad, what is gaijiin smoking

[@Lulzwhat]

These changes stupid and even pointless. Becuase it's not a decompression at all. They UP everthing but also stays everything relatively at same BR against eachother. What't the point?

[@Basicallybaltic]

“Yeah so we might have absolutely killed the F-4C, but yay decompression”

[@surgetsann]

Maybe they are giving the EJ-Kai AAM-3s there was a bug report for it I think

[@SotGravarg]

F-5A going 11.0 YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!

[@radsbosscraft8476]

yeah i understand the f-5's are a bit busted but to increase the BR by a whole battle rating seems a bit extreme because the planes did struggle a bit in uptiers but i guess we can wait and see but really sucks to see

[@SotGravarg]

@@radsbosscraft8476 Nah I mean the F-5A is said to be the same as the F-5C but I had a couple dogfights in the A and it felt like always the C variant had more energy retention than me. Also at any dogfight my plane was spaded and I had ace crew.

[@p_filippouz]

GOOD, that's one less loose end

[@batlax18]

Theres not really anything there that you couldn’t see in a full uptier anyways

[@Dinozavr210]

F-5C at 11.0? Cursed WT dev decision

[@sholva5947]

was about to say that

[@SotGravarg]

F-5A is a worse C but is at the same br. Was it before at 10.3 too, but there it was at 10.3 and not at 11.0!!!

[@Starkogi]

F5 pilots are actually insufferable. They might actually have to develop skill now.

[@SotGravarg]

@@Starkogi You mean F-5C pilots. Cuz A and E and very much ok.

[@robinviel4816]

That’s crazy

[@abdallah5906]

The best

[@TheTmieBandit]

good thing i started unlocking the 104, looks like im gonna need it...

[@covidius9511]

My brother in crist, unless they put it up in br it will be even stronger than before

[@sniper_gamer_55]

The Mirage F1CT has the same RWR and HUD of the mirage 2000C-S5 so it's reasonable to be at a higher BR than the mirage F1C and the F1C-200

[@thomasrouet4654]

Decompresion for the win!!!!!!!🎉🎉

[@Astrofax2.0]

The most op will be the m4k that can carry 8 missiles including fox2s at 13.0

[@hensen6]

F-104J: sneaky sneaky

[@dominikhrncirik6924]

Lol just noticed it too :D I hope they don't change it, I just bought a crew recently for it :D

[@JackIsMe1993]

Sat playing the 9.7 Mig 21S and thinking WOW! my favourite plane is now just straight up smelling of roses.....on the other hand wish I hadn't just unlocked the F4C.....

[@Yeet42069]

Good change.

[@cyberdroid2300]

I'm of the opinion that the SU-25's and A-10's being as low as they are in the name of "Airframe balance" (disregarding that they carry all aspect missiles) are the reason that F-104's and Mig-19's aren't or can't be moved up and it's negatively affecting that whole 8.3-9.7 BR range. That and the fact that top tier is so squished in, but I'm still a humble cold war jet player and I don't understand that part well enough. I'd like to hear other opinions.

[@xanderwusky3001]

Im glad they decompressed, 2 tiers is a good sign. It’s not gonna happen all at once but hopefully 1 change at a time. I made a br division some time and think I got to having the f16C be at around 18.0 for it to really make sense but oh well. At least it helps a bit for now :)

[@kushgod1413]

Stock radar missles is a gamer changer

[@dierare]

My biggest question about the F-4EJ Kai is, how is it that much of an upgrade over the F-4EJ that they cant even be in the same match anymore, while basic F-16s are the same BR as the F-16 with Aim-9Ms??

[@joeseph2238]

IRL the ej kai can use the aim120a and the aam3, its basicly a japanese f4 ice without the agile eagle package.