War Thunder Guide 6.0 - Defeating Infrared Guided Missiles (IRCCM Included)

[@nuka.]

u r my sunshine

[@mrkoro29]

How the fuck did you posted a comment 33mins ago when the video dropped 17mins ago ??? Bug i guess

[@thesaracen7267]

My only sunshine

[@Vipixz109]

you make me happy

[@grahh7234]

When skies are gray

[@Warthunderspecialist1]

You never know when

[@arubberduck9077]

me watching this video, knowing damn well im still gonna make the same mistakes after understanding the concepts

[@DEFYN]

If it helps you 30% of the time that's still an improvement :)

[@Xiphactinus]

@@DEFYNthis video has a 50% chance of getting you to understand all of the concepts, but don't worry, the last 20 people to watch it all understood!

[@jaek_898]

Can't wait to deal with Python 4 which uses both types of IRCCM at the same time

[@JustMinna]

its balanced trust me bro (wont it be easier to flare since its seeker shuts off but its FOV is so small so if you maneuver away it wont relock you as easily?)

[@GeneralLee2000]

I'm really worried we get it next update...

[@MD-wn4ui]

I wonder what will be worse in war thunder to deal with. The combo of suspension and gate width or however they implement the imaging IR seeker of the 9X and python 5.

[@vavord5181]

R-27T/ET both use the gate width IRCCM and that AIM-9M-type of thing.

[@zayf1760]

Funny thing is Magic 2 should get the same irccm

[@MZIH]

Seek’s honest reaction:

[@TurnerBoat]

His reaction when his video is obsolete within 5 hours? Must be quite painful indeed. I pity the attempt that he tried to assemble that video in a day just because he knew Defyn was creating this so he could profit of it. This is a 2 minute microwave meal that's still half frozen vs the meal that was grown on own land and cooked over 3 days. I never comment but in general...Man even I am annoyed

[@absboodoo]

I just finish watching Seek's video and it lead me straight to here. lol

[@salltyboi]

Seek and Defyn beef incoming

[@notfunny3397]

​@@TurnerBoat I'm pretty sure these videos take quite a while to make, unlikely that they could have copied each other I think. Then again defyn did kinda reveal the video a while ago.

[@cryonic.]

@@TurnerBoat​​⁠u actually made an alt account to comment that? your account is a few minutes older than your comment lol

[@vishakhanshivaneshan8740]

instructions unclear: i just watched the top gun movie and did the kvochur maneuver

[@spacy256]

During the first day of the dev server I had an Su-27SM try to pull a kvochur maneuver thinking he was hot shit. He quickly learned that American planes have 20mms

[@GeneralLee2000]

The cook is real holy 🙏

[@PenguinNoodleSoup]

It’s general Lee

[@JaesWasTaken]

Thanks for taking the time to make this video! I was doing some of these things instinctively, but didn't fully grasp why I should be doing them outside of "Hey, this just kinda works." The "Picassos" demonstrating how Countermeasures work in tandem with your engine profile was invaluable!

[@Loudward__]

In depth video? we in balls deep with this one.

[@breadpwiece]

Defyn single handedly raising the skill level and difficulty of top tier one guide at a time

[@EdgeR2]

me pulling up neg g while flaring like a madman: the R27ER in question:

[@Boris_The_Turtle]

“IRCCM doesn’t want you to know this one simple trick”

[@pyxlated_void4719]

Your crazy for that one

[@ItzCPU_]

Missile: It’s jover for me now

[@Artemis-VIP]

It has been so jover…

[@mab2187]

I kinda had difficulty understanding you but I seem to get the point. TLDR: There are 2 ways the missile tries to avoid being fooled by flares: A) Gatewith method aka, the Tunnel Vision method. The seeker during the lock stage has a wide perspective to get an easy lock, once fired-it shrinks or it squints its eye, tunnel vision, straight at you. To fool this missile, just make sure to not afterburn and flare in the path of the missile. (R-73 Archer and R550 Magic 2 use this method). B) Tracking Suspension method aka, the Blink method. The seeker once fired, during its travel it blinks/closes its eye to avoid being distracted by flares. It keeps its eye shut for a second or two. During this time it remembers and calculates to predict where you will be when it opens its eye and tries to relock on to you. To fool this missile, just cut back on your burner and flare a decent amount around you and dodge away, cus you might flare the missile but the missile still could relock you or just simply flied into your proximity. (AIM-9M Sidewinder, AAM-3 use this method).

[@vincea1830]

Kinda missed the important part for both. You want to flare so that wherever your aircraft throws the flares, it must intersect with where your afterburner jet was. Example, if your jet throws flares straight down, and you pull UP, then the flares get dumped BELOW your engine, which means the squinting missile never sees the flares. To counter it, you must flare and then go negative G to make the flares come between your exhaust and the missile.

[@ВячеславФролов-д7я]

AFAIK, you are the first one who came with an actual techniques rather than explanation of mechanics. Great work and thank you for sharing those techniques

[@SerroBourne]

perfect timing for you video - THANKS - I got shot down twice yesterday in Ground RB and thought I need to do some research to find a way to deal with these - now I have the strategy and just need to put it into practice

[@galacticdragon9841]

The best part of this video is the explanation on how missile seekers work, I don't think many new players actually understand how a missile seeker works in war thunder so using that information players can better understand why you do certain things to flare missiles.

[@Hagop64]

Now that I've watched this, can you delete it so my enemies don't see it too?

[@jasnozreni]

Love to watch someone who is really into what he is doing. Wonderful. :)

[@AMANB613]

Papyrus font is crazy 😂

[@malithaw]

𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴𝔂

[@oofdotcom420]

you should do the same but for chaff/radar when the fox3s come

[@DEFYN]

I will

[@altacc0604]

Fox 3s are generally not fooled by chaffs, and as more advanced one comes people needs to know how to actually defend (chaffing notching and flying low (at closer distances) stops working if more advanced ones comes out)

[@M1A2C.]

Assuming multipathing them still works that's what i and most other people will do lol, i don't see the ARB meta being too affected by Fox-3s tbh. Though they're not in game yet so we'll find out just how good they are in a month or so.

[@clankplusm]

@@M1A2C. having played some on the dev, multipathing does indeed work, however they are "less sensitive" to it- You need to nail a much narrower band of altitude for a successful multipath. Notch+ chaffing them is much easier than plane radars / SARH however. And of course, mountains are a good help

[@Ryan-go6id]

@@DEFYN👀

[@gfcc4133]

Ive been watching this channel for a long time, when i first got into the air tree i look at your guides on how to aim and loved your plane reviews. Your lessons on the mechanics of this game have helped not just me but many others. Thank you for your videos DEFYN

[@johnfredette7420]

Great guide! Thanks for the info!

[@DEFYN]

Glad it was helpful!

[@10kmilesy]

Helps a lot with understanding the mechanics, thanks man

[@exhausting_thoughts]

Nice guide Defyn, cool explanation for beginners and intermediate players.

[@AddeKnight]

Dude thank you so much for this tutorial! After a few failed attempts I managed to get the technique right, and the results show!

[@SpeedyCraft51]

This was a super useful video, I had a vague intuition on how to counter them based on how the IRCCM works but seeing it through the seeker view and with all the detailed explanations helps a lot to understand why it actually works and how to make it work more effectively.

[@СергейНикольский-я2ц]

One little thing - it will work almost 100% of the time in duels but in 16v16 where pretty common situation is when 3-5+ missiles including SARH ones are all coming towards you at the same time from different angles - it won’t help much)

[@Elijah1573]

Yeah sensory overload is pretty much the issue there Defeating IRCCM is pretty easy but when you try to in 16v16 furballs it just becomes a mess

[@urielOrnstein]

@@Elijah1573 R27ER live reaction to flares:

[@zackgonters1669]

He wasn't kidding, he really pulled the best tutorial XD This put everyone else to shame damn lol

[@molstad182]

kendrick v drake ahh video timing

[@UnoReversecard-ys8vl]

I think if an 1800's victorian child read this comment his head would just explode

[@molstad182]

@@UnoReversecard-ys8vl my bad queen Elizabeth😔

[@UnoReversecard-ys8vl]

@@molstad182 man I was kidding your comment was funny (gave it a like too)

[@Donkeymaster9000]

@@UnoReversecard-ys8vlcan I borrow your uno reverse card?

[@mariozanninello7307]

Thank you. Very informative 👏🏻

[@jakobc.2558]

The information in this video is invaluable.

[@archangel6481]

I have been searching for this vid for so long and it was worth the search :D well not that long but you get the point :P now that i understand it its feels like the energy mechanic in the lower tiers. the people that do understand will always win against people that dont. but as soon as you do it gets easier, not simple, but if you loose it doesnt feel like you just died to some random bs. Same goes for these missle mechanics. i was always furious to why my flares werent working on them damn strelas but now that i know.... :D nice vid, well made, love it :D

[@BanjoJo]

I'm at the J35D just before the fun stuff and chaos of top tier - first nation and first time jets. This video has been very informative for my upcoming grinding In simple term: turn off afterburner, use reverse thrust covers if you have - pop flare(s) first, then turn away. Ideally position yourself so the direction of flare remains in the bandwidth area whilst you aren't. Be offset from enemy position, fire flares towards direction of flares and turn slightly away. Roll flare, turn away

[@nimbal3304]

This is great but what about the Red Top's?

[@Skynet_15]

Omg the sensor view for these kinds of video is a genuine god send I'm so grateful Gaijin added them cause now we can analyze missile seekers and all, fantastic tutorial overall DEFYN more quality than I was seeking

[@ThePeanut999]

It's here! Only 5 years in the making! Thank you daddy DEFYN!

[@adoplwt]

Really well done vid, I hope it will help a lot of players ;DD

[@dragoneye0979]

In my experience flaring M's, finding the right tempo for dropping flares to keep the seeker head off for longer really helps with avoiding them. I tend to go for about 2-3 pops a second

[@RealPrussianSeal]

i can finally do something against those pesky magic 2's in an uptier thank you DEFYN!

[@slacksthelast7975]

This gives me hope I had no idea it was this in depth 😂

[@xRotivx]

You dont know how long i was waiting for this video

[@Tuhrue]

Honestly, I like to think this is more than just a game with how technical Defyn's tutorials are. Thanks man💯

[@Artemis-VIP]

Thanks for the tutorial. I might have a chance with my F-16MLU now (I am cooked)

[@coolvibes5470]

the best tutioral I've ever seen, job well done man

[@AtomicKepler]

Can't wait for gaijin to implement the AAM-3's dual band seeker- Infrared and Ultraviolet-

[@kuc4692]

Thank you and have a nice summer

[@ViperFox_]

Woah this is why you are the GOAT! Best flare video hands down!

[@Weaponized__]

This is very helpful, thank you!

[@Epic_candle]

I always loved your guides, helped me a lot when I just started learning wt air combat

[@Yriron]

No idea if you're still reading comments, but thanks a lot, I thought that 9M were undefeatable

[@robingyarmati2440]

You made me lose my edging streak😢

[@ryhs0]

this made me start my edging streak

[@riflemen9057]

The missile knows where it is at all times

[@ex0ghost837]

10/10 edge very good video length👍🏻

[@coolginypiggames4363]

the seek slander is wild and Im here for it

[@stevenkravitz6377]

9:56 I agree that it really is that shrimple.

[@smigoltime]

McDonald's > KFC

[@KoiR2Y2]

Oh hell naw

[@parallax9084]

How are you here already??

[@smigoltime]

actually idk, depends on mood

[@ShadowBroker000]

Cancer vs Down Syndrome

[@kingghidorah8106]

@@smigoltime zmegul pls teach me how 2 shiden

[@ottaro_pog]

The cook served us yet another 5 star dish

[@YaegerYT]

I've been waiting for this moment for a loong time

[@Minigun_-nj1tf]

DEFYN out here with another tutorial so we may stay on the war thunder grind

[@aimfa]

Watched the seek's vid first and with this one, i can finally dodge every IRCCM cam.

[@WelsyCZ]

Thanks for the video man!

[@bensalvador113]

I love the video, very informative. One caveat is you have to know when and where the missile is. This is best for Arcade. Not really suited for Sim.

[@ElderWillows]

Defyn still shaping me into the player I am today. Fucking legend.

[@CrusaderLegFoot]

Cool! Time for me immediately forget everything and randomly use at one point a few months later without realizing and then never use it again.

[@OnlinecarshowNet1]

A10 has hundreds though. I put it on periodic when I hit the battle line and get a solid radar hit. Rest of planes I try to keep radar in mind and what find of missile is approaching and use manual flares with chaff. I usually use flare priority till I get to 11 rating. Then a mix.

[@ShadowBroker000]

I used the bulletproof strat to avoid those missiles Not playing that fucking BR....

[@artraudgaming3575]

radar missiles are harder form me, hugging the ground works but when i fly higher i can notch and chaff but they still get me

[@andreasbedellus2458]

@DEFYN Could you please make the same video, but how to defeat IR SAMs? Stuff like Ozelot, Strela 10 M2 etc. Those seem to be completely undefeatable especially from rear aspect. How do they work? Is it possible to apply the same techniques against them?

[@Cool_guy-i1u]

When Defyn cooks up a banger you best bet ima eat up all the meat and the bush foods 🤤

[@brandonbao7097]

I never seem to have that much luck with IRCCM missiles anyway, for the most part it feels just like normal IR missiles where as long as the enemy flares with enough time the missile will miss. Ground launched IRCCM missiles though seems like literal black magic, no matter how you try to evade it just won't stop tracking you, like the TY-90.

[@Panocek]

Combined shrinking FoV and tracking suspension, with latter taking precedence. But because its narrower FoV, it will update more frequently.

[@R0ZEN7]

This is great for if you are 100% paying attention to 1 or 2 people but then you get the furballs and suddenly you are playing a 3d bullet hell game where sometimes the bullets come from targets that are not spotted till they are close enough to hold hands with you. Really would be nice if a certain snail would just give us 8v8 on bigger maps but you know, MONEY.

[@Jatzki]

No way seek posted the same video the same day

[@delirious3911]

@@DEFYN so u had in mind, and he copied lolll

[@chaosinsurgency6636]

The chalkboard returns

[@ArmagedonCS]

whenever he say drop 2 flares he means 4 because they drop in 2 in his video keep that in mind because you can set it up how many flares come out and different planes have for example single flares at a time

[@looke3392]

Great now everyone is going to be able to flare my missiles

[@BlackbirdDrozd]

Very usefull summary, a bit harder to apply for sim pilots. But still possible. ;)

[@bustinblenders5671]

the game looks really zesty graphically from your POV, like explosions, flares, engines and missiles. are there specific settings you use or is it added in during the editing process. and what are your preferred graphic setting?

[@ivanvukadin3194]

Do you have any idea how to defeat the Ground IRCCM missiles form SPAAs?

[@barnykirashi]

This I find really useful in like 2 out of 100 games. Otherwise trying to dodge one missile just makes me take 3 other missiles.

[@justjake1038]

Defyn oil up at 150K?

[@Iameminem6346]

Thank you defyn

[@kanepreton9588]

I've seen my missles walk back onto targets before because they are tracking the constant stream of CM coming out of the aircraft

[@Янус_Ырт]

Defyn hit the griddy with this one 🗣🗣🗣📢📢📢

[@Welterino]

amazing guide

[@doge4818]

1. Have more flares than the enemy. 2. Pray

[@Shigatori01]

"Here Is How You Actually Stop Dying To IRCCM Missiles Effectively" in the style of the average university reading: War thunder, reveals in its 10 odd years of existence, in the Prescence of IRCCM missiles has presented itself as a central role of addition of the features along with a flurry upon the destruction of the game mode , What could the presence of IRCCM missiles indicate, that the Battle rating may it lives upon, it may be only the platonic ideal of the toxic fighter main. the occurrence of the IRCCM missiles only has juxtaposed itself as between the matchmaker of 16v16, in discord with the systematic wrenching of BR compression await the staggering polarity between realism and and the sublimity through trivial lament of the blatantly vulgar Gaijin. The parenthesis of the parameters of the juxtaposition between the benign and the sublime as the DEFYN confides to his views, the below the the realism, this cubism, deeply stirred the community of in the last few months. DEFYN, who was has over the last 5 years manifested himself has the interpreter of war thunder to great acclaim, has responded with Just Flare". with the utterance of two words, how sublime, reminiscent of the Daoist manual written in 500BCE. Its compact nature opens up a whole new world of possibility of interpretation for the player base manifests itself as the law of nature in the war thunder ideal Just watch the video and learn to flare (why tf are you reading this)

[@ShadowBroker000]

that wall of text hit me like a flashbang

[@saintmathias_]

Great timing on the video. Just got back to War Thunder after a break, and getting splashed by AIM-9M's makes me wanna take another break, lol. Thanks for the guide, man!

[@PerriThePlatyPilot]

Daddy Defyn taking care of us

[@henri2058]

Love this video, should minimize the amount of people complain that the missiles are op.

[@MrJibJub13]

so helpful!

[@BearcatThunder]

I’ve tried doing this in game so many times but typically end up slamming into the ground. How am I supposed to neg g flare when I’m flying low at 10m without slamming into the ground?

[@Saad0305]

All the technology, Nice video 📹

[@Luisvitoras]

16:26 who was that person mentioned may i ask?

[@DEFYN]

No one particular

[@delirious3911]

It was seek… Seek made a video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oGG5Zn2Ml82UrsUsi=PFI4vLBojGq5TKDj And then made unlisted, but his video is dogshit

[@Luisvitoras]

@@DEFYN is it matAWG?

[@DEFYN]

Its you

[@delirious3911]

@@Luisvitoras seek made a video... about flares to steal views from defyn after he heard about it but his video was shit and now he made it private actually unlisted lol. i still have the link

[@randomguy477]

Does flare priority drop 2 flares and 1 chaff? Because I'd still like to bring some chaff in my F15. Also, do you do the same thing that you did with the Su27 to flare the 9Ms in the F15, since the flares deploy downwards?

[@ViewerofContent]

I’ll keep twiddling my thumbs at mid tier thanks

[@chargelead9429]

The missile no longer knows where it at all times

[@aktivleo3692]

Very useful video 👌🏼❤️

[@historybuff222]

lovin' the papyrus font 😎

[@ventischair9158]

Goon sesh: Recommended

[@reaper.f54u]

Question regarding this: Are these strategies at all worth using below top tier, or are the missiles down there so commonly bad that there's no point in giving that much effort?