finding empathy for anti-vaxxers/anti-maskers

i really do not want to be misunderstood on this topic so a few points to reiterate: i cannot stress enough that i support the covid vaccines and mask-wearing. but, i worry that more often than not, the discussion has come to be about making the people you disagree with feel stupid and humiliated. if the goal is to move past this pandemic while protecting our own, and the people we love's, safety, we should make more of an effort to put ourselves in one another's shoes. this is not to say that any form of anger is unjustified -- sometimes you deserve to be angry and sometimes, you can't help it. but, anger shouldn't be presumed. this has been a globally sensitive and tough time, so let's try our best to be less hostile :)
TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 intro
1:15 some preliminary thoughts
4:40 some dominant arguments for being anti-vaxx and/or anti-mask
6:13 trust in government
9:46 fear of fearmongering
14:31 the efficacy of vaccines and/or masks
19:49 the "natural immunity" argument
21:41 covid is not as dangerous as we are led to believe
23:13 a convo about luck
24:54 conclusion (+ nicki minaj)
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SOURCES (this includes ANYTHING i looked at for this video, so NOT everything is representative of what i agree with):
The Thing That Determines a Country’s Resistance to the Coronavirus: www.theatlantic.com/ideas/arc...
Coronavirus: Why attitudes to masks have changed around the world: www.bbc.com/news/world-53394525
Why Weren't We Wearing Masks From the Beginning? Dr. Anthony Fauci Explains: • Why Weren't We Wearing...
Pro Vax vs Vaccine Hesitant | Middle Ground: • Pro Vax vs Vaccine Hes...
Pro-Vaccine vs Anti-Vaccine: Should Your Kids Get Vaccinated? | Middle Ground: • Pro-Vaccine vs Anti-Va...
What's behind the push for a fourth stimulus check: www.cbsnews.com/news/fourth-s...
CDC Director Explains the Agency's Reversal on Masks: open.spotify.com/episode/0Wix...
The Vaccine Mandate Conundrum: open.spotify.com/episode/2xqJ...
The Anti-Vaccine Movement (explains the history behind how autism become wrongly linked to vaccines): open.spotify.com/episode/4I5N...
Tam: Current evidence doesn't support public needing masks: • Tam: Current evidence ...
Non-medical masks can keep people who may have COVID-19 from spreading it: Canada's top doctor: • Non-medical masks can ...
FOX 35 INVESTIGATES: Questions raised after fatal motorcycle crash listed as COVID-19 death: www.fox35orlando.com/news/fox...
COVID-19 death comorbidities in Canada: www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/4...
18 Reasons I Won't Be Getting a Covid Vaccine: www.deconstructingconventiona...
'18 Reasons I Won’t Be Getting a COVID Vaccine' Post Filled With Reckless Falsehoods: www.snopes.com/news/2021/04/1...
Christian Elliot’s “18 Reasons I Won’t Be Getting a Covid Vaccine”: Viral antivaccine misinformation: sciencebasedmedicine.org/chri...
Covid-19 vaccine: Should the US pay people to get it with a stimulus check? - Vox: www.vox.com/future-perfect/22...
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The Ghost Map by Steven Johnson
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[@pepperminttree]

Theres such a huge difference between anti vax and vax hesitant. I dont think you can be mad at people for being weary of such a new shot, but thats different than people who believe it puts a microchip in you

[@iheartjbgccb]

Exactly. I was a little nervous understandably but people who refuse to get it because they don't do their own research and spreading fake shit are the problem

[@otakumangastudios3617]

@@iheartjbgccb Not to mention, they don't even document properly how many people actually get injured from side effects. I know a pleth of people who have, myself included. This is also why I don't agree with the current stances on neurodivergence, people need to realize that the medical condition, not a personality trait to accept. It's as if they think that you can't accept a person if they have a neurological issue or neurological difference, we need to categorize it as just a way to be different, and it's natural in a part of who we are. I'm sorry, having spd, tourette's, autism and other disorders are not personality traits, and we should not accept it as if it's a part of that person. In fact, as someone who actually got a neurodivergence from too many shots, yes, in fact that was the case, as neurodivergence symptoms do not show if they are genetic until the age of 6 months old, mine were on set at a whopping 2 years old, causing utter confusion and skepticism amongst medical professionals and occupational therapists who worked with neurodivergent kids every single day, I can safely say that, no divergence is not fun, it's not a blessing, it's not who you are. I would have been happy to not be injected with something that had traces of mercury and aluminum that bound my neurology in my brain and my communication between my brain and the rest of the nervous system, causing me to have severe gastrointestinal issues that I've had to live with my whole entire life, that is nearly life-threatening and no medication properly serves it and makes it better, there's no miracle cure, except for trying to find a way to cleanse out what those heavy metals did. It was immediately on set right after my vaccines at 2 years old, I got a high fever, took a cold bath, but against my will. I do not remember this, I remember a lot of things from when I was 2 years old, but not this. My parents told me, that I absolutely love loved baths as a child, it was my most favorite activity in the whole entire world, I always was up for a bath, but then, the night right after I had my vaccines, they put me into the bath, only for once the water touched my toe, I screamed as if an animal just bit me and tore off a part of my toe. For some reason I happened to not remember this, but I can assure you that, my symptoms have been subsiding the more I use cleansing techniques, as in trying to consume foods that help the body cleanse and repair. I've also been doing a little bit of stem cell therapy with the help of a doctor, which has astronomically helped me personally. This is why whenever someone tells their story regarding vaccine damage, which if you look it up, there's actually a lot, but it gets buried by the media. It also gets buried by fixed statistics, and also, with how many people I know whom also got vaccine damaged as well as how many people they happen to know that have been vaccine damage, and even people I know who have never been vaccine damage and have been vaccinated their whole entire lives, no at least one or two people who have been vaccine damaged. Not to mention, a lot of people don't know the source of their neurodivergence, and I know I would be more than happy if I never got neurologically damaged. I used to try to accept SPD, also known as sensory processing disorder, as just who I was, but no, it's not healthy for me to accept it that way. It's like saying being extremely obese is a personality trait and something you should accept about yourself, no you should absolutely not hate yourself for it, That's not healthy either, but also it's not healthy to act as if it's a natural part of you and not something that needs to be fixed. I don't like all this talk about how we need to stop thinking we need to fix autism. They're right, we should stop acting like the people who are autistic need fixing, but I'm sure most autistic people once they get to feel what it's like not to be autistic, would it feel quite happy and relieved. Well I've been in the healing process of this neurological disorder I've had for majority of my life, I felt better and better, and being more neurotypical is the best thing in my life I've experienced in a long time. Feeling not as awkward, not feeling as if you have this clown of nothingness in the middle of your frontal lobe, is the most amazing relief. I wish people would acknowledge that, you're a divergence is a disease, no we shouldn't divide ourselves against them, just like we shouldn't have prejudice against anybody else for any other reason, just like we shouldn't fact shame, and hate others for their medical conditions, we also shouldn't hate people or see them any differently because of their neurodivergence, but we should acknowledge that it is a problem, and our life will be better if they at all ever got a treatment. Think of it like a food allergy. No you don't critique your friend who has celiac, no you don't make fun of them, you accept them wholeheartedly and don't see them any differently than the rest of your friends, but if you could, would you try to change their situation for the better? When she wished that there was some magical cure that would make it so that they don't have to be so absolutely careful about what they eat, that if they don't, they would have to be rushed to the hospital or worse? I feel that way about neurodivergence. Just like how you would have a perspective like this about your friend with food allergies, you wouldn't simply see it as just another way of being, you would see it as a very much problematic health issue, but that doesn't mean your perspective of them as a person and as a human being is any different

[@robertyounger5849]

lol they can hesitate as much as they want as long as the succumb to your will? Otherwise you’re gonna pretend they think there’s a microchip in it?

[@otakumangastudios3617]

@@robertyounger5849 you seem to be making a broad assumption about vaccine questioners. What this person is trying to explain is, there's a huge huge difference between the Alex Jones fans who believe that Obama is trying to turn the frogs gay and the original intellectual progressives that stick to original progressive values, and don't allow what current society deems as progressive thought. That's what being progressive truly is, not going by the command of a supposed higher power, whether that be a fictional god, a scientist or group of scientists, a president, any other politician or a newscaster. Being anti-establishment is very essence of liberalism, questioning authority is very much also component as well. It's very important to keep these things in mind when it comes to defining yourself as a liberal or a progressive for that matter. If we're about progression and progression needs resistance of power, and always has been, then suddenly becoming obedient and defining progressiveness as such is a foolish thing to do. It's in fact acting conservative, because that's what the conservatives have been doing exactly, except for their higher power not being politicians nor scientists, but rather their pastors and whatever their perception of God is. That being said, there's a huge difference between actual conspiracy theorists and intellectual progressives.

[@robertyounger5849]

Otaku, I’m not making a broad assumption about vaccine questioners. I think they should be able to question vaccines whether you think their reasons are good or not. You’re making the assumption that a good chunk of these people don’t have good reasoning. You never went to ask any of them what their opinion was, and they were pretty much banned from discussing these things on social media. They’ve been making a case for their side for a while and it looks like you guys just decided to show empathy now after all this time because the Covid fearmongering got turned off in place of Russia fearmongering. I don’t call myself a progressive; progressives disgust me. Progressives have been obedient this whole time. They get emotionally worked up and respond the way don lemon wants them to. By the way the chemicals from fertilizers really did make the frogs gay. I’d think environmentalists would care about that but the fact progressives need to frame it as “accusing Obama of turning the frogs gay” shows how progressives need to straw man and act disingenuous to feel better about themselves

[@Kyle-cj5fj]

The internet is always so black and white in what you should and should not think. You are always opening up controversial intellectual discussions and establishing grey areas. Thank you!

[@glitchhhhhhhh]

That's not the point, one side is willingly risking to kill people around them while the others want to prevent that. There's no centrism to this.

[@Kyle-cj5fj]

@@glitchhhhhhhh that’s not the point of my comment, either. I definitely agree with you that they are risking the lives of people around them and that they are in the wrong, but it doesn’t mean that there is never room for intellectual discussion. By opening up and taking a look at people’s arguments on the other side, you are able to create a stronger case on why you think the way you do and make sure you don’t find yourself in an echo chamber, which is very common on the internet.

[@BORN753]

​@@glitchhhhhhhh It is officially stated by now by multiple authorities that no vaccine against covid prevents the spread of the virus, so that is a complete lie that unvacinated people are endangering others (especially vacinated people). There is no research done that confirms the effectiveness of masks. It's just that the ephemeral and abstract "science", as authorities convince us, says so. I'm not saying you shouldn't get vacinated or shouldn't wear a mask. I'm not saying vaccines are more dangerous to you than a virus. I'm saying that what you believe in is not a reason to take away everyone's freedom. If you fear for your own life - you don't go to places where it is not obligatory to wear a mask or even to be vaccinated. No problem with private restrictions. The problem is with governmental unconstitutional restrictions and outright violence. Look at what is happening in China and most importantly in Australia and Europe. When 70% of the population has already been vaccinated (official european report from about 2 month ago), it is not public health for which peaceful protests are being forcibly suppressed and vaccination passports being forcibly introduced. When the state pacifies and represses those who oppose it now (who you consider a bigger threat to you than a state), it will come for you and everyone else, and it will be too late to do anything. That is how you lose your freedom under plausible excuse. You just wait and see. Tragedies and wars are the best excuse for the state to take your freedom away, promise to return it and never give it back. The only thing that still saves the United States is the wide independence of each state. But cultural war and an increasingly strong federal government are making their job. If Europe's and Australia's people will lose their fight for freedom now, the next day they will wake up in a global China.

[@BORN753]

@@glitchhhhhhhh If you fear for your life - you get vaccinated and with a 99% probability you will not die, no matter how many sick people you come into contact with. Can you please explain why a vaccinated person needs to vaccinate everyone else around him, how this will help him more than his own vaccination? Why force people to be vaccinated, especially when the vaccine can only help the vaccinated and no one else? Even if you're the only vaccinated person in the world you are already protected.

[@chino7316]

@@glitchhhhhhhh Lmao, there's still people using this argument? You should read up a little more on how the vaccines don't stop the spread.

[@spudman1734]

I appreciate you for trying to make these controversial subjects open to discussion 😭 I really can't stand the toxicity of most social media that tries to completely shut down dialogue unless it's within their moral binary. These are topics that deserve to be seen within a grey spectrum instead of just black or white

[@elbuki4547]

Amén

[@robertyounger5849]

Conservatives have been trying to discuss this openly this entire time

[@balls5257]

@@robertyounger5849very true but you cannot blame a small minority of either side for a bigger problem with American politics and social media as a whole

[@robertyounger5849]

You can blame the people whose knee-jerk reaction was to call for censorship for calling for censorship

[@aroach7461]

No, that crap is far too late. Your people bullied, fired, excommunicated and arrested people for even saying a fair point. 4 years later we are told that it effected menstruation by the experts, but was already known 2 year prior. I say screw yall, and I hope they end up hurting you.

[@definitelynotethan7959]

this is literally how you change the world. compassion is the basis of morality.

[@robertyounger5849]

Conservatives were saying you should show empathy to people against vax mandates for a while now

[@TimJSwan]

morality is the basis for compassion

[@marcozanoni4742]

Compassion is what killed god

[@brndnii7840]

@@robertyounger5849 No, they believe conspiracies and go against what the experts say.

[@bradspitt3896]

A proper ontology is the basis of morality.

[@DanEllis]

I suggested this on Reddit a few weeks ago and was downvoted to oblivion, given abuse, told I should be murdered and had the mods change my flair to something like, "Would rather see people suffocate than get vaccinated." I've been vaccinated since April.

[@ctrlaltshift]

There's a special place in hell for those reddit mods 😂

[@iheartjbgccb]

Stay off reddit. Learned the hard way 😅

[@phil6731]

Yooo what the fuck 😭😭😭

[@robertyounger5849]

It’s a site run by commie scum, what did you expect

[@JoaoSilva-gm8qx]

Lmao. Reddit is that.

[@blue_satin_sashes]

i love your educated response to controversies. i can relate to you so much because i hold a lot of the same opinions. i always try to see things from other's point of view, no matter how prejudiced that view is. thank you for your calm, mature approach to difficult topics 🤎

[@loresdallagamer]

this approach is standard here, concise and coherent all the way

[@blue_satin_sashes]

@@loresdallagamer it's so refreshing from the chaotic accusing nature of others

[@marlon6629]

couldnt say it in a better way

[@2NDFLB-CLERK]

▪️ The whole thing these past 3 years was a *CattIe Pretendemic* . 🟥

[@menzodave]

Two years ago everyone asked, are you vaccinated? It was considered to have 95% efficacy after two shots by science for probably your whole life. Now, no one is interested anymore to ask. Back then I ate healthy, slept my 8 hours, had my social contacts, and did my sports - no one was interested. It was considered to be a healthy lifestyle to avoid cardiovascular diseases, dementia, psychological diseases and many more. Now, I still eat healthy, sleep my 8 hours, have my social contacts and do my sports- It is still considered healthy. Still, no one talks about, because there's no market for it.

[@bloopbleepblop176]

I do feel like bashing or forcing people to take the vaccine not the way to go. I don't agree with a lot of things on the anti and pro vaxxer side, but I do agree and believe in bodily autonomy and that it should be a choice since you are putting something probably foreign into your body. Anti maskers on the other hand, unless you have an underlying medical condition that prevents you from wearing a mask effectively, your just careless and irresponsible imo.

[@gaj30]

@roseau hallock chile... anyways so-

[@thanhtang7585]

@roseau hallock mam, this is a wendys

[@bloopbleepblop176]

@roseau hallock This made me laugh lol like c'mon

[@bloopbleepblop176]

@roseau hallock Whatever you say. I don't know any verse that says that taking vaccines is considered a sin and Idrc to. But I'm not going to argue with you about this soo...

[@nallsksk5139]

@roseau hallock vaccines follow the universes laws just fine…

[@xxx-wu2jj]

So many people are calling me anti-vax when in the past I haven't been able to get a vaccines without a severe reaction, even close to death on one occasion. Im definitely going to sit this one out.

[@paemonyes8299]

In my country they actually require you to clarify whether you’ve had any past allergic reactions to vaccines, but I don’t know what happens if you say yes

[@celestialmorpho]

it’s sad. i so don’t know if exemptions exist. am i just never to not enter an establishment when i can’t get vaccinated?

[@ctrlaltshift]

Idk if this is the case everywhere, but the vaccine clinic I went to was required to have a paramedic on scene at all times. They also ask you to stay 15 minutes after the shot in case anything happens. I almost fainted during my first shot and they made sure to pull me aside and monitor me until I was feeling better. Then, during the second shot they required I stay 30 minutes instead of 15, and I was fine that time. Obviously that's not as severe as what you may have experienced, but they are definitely prepared for reactions to the vaccine. I think if you really wanted to get it, they would be able to help you through it.

[@xxx-wu2jj]

@@ctrlaltshift yeah but I'm not risking death for a virus I already have a 99% chance or surviving! Plus both my parents are in the medical field and advised me not to get it because of my risk.

[@2m7b5]

@@xxx-wu2jj I would imagine people who _can't_ get the vaccine for legitimate reasons should be the most pro-vax, because they are safer if more people are vaccinated.

[@esdraslopez4658]

I believe it is ok to be skeptical and ask good faith questions, that isn't the same as being anti-vax. In the same way someone feels worried or weird about a medical procedure and asks their doctor for clarification before going through with it, and in turn the doctor is patient is respectful, that should be the model we use for discussing these topics instead of going to extremes and name calling. Going to extremes and shaming will largely lead to the backfire effect, and less people will feel trusting to receive a life threatening vaccine for what is now a preventable disease.

[@spudkitn2263]

America is a unique country. It was built upon the very sole foundation of personal freedom. But people associate freedom with inherent positivity when it is definitely not the case. But we need to acknowledge that freedom is what is allowing us to have these conversations, the way philosophers then discussed the most abhorrent ideas to find one of the many that would be useful to society. Not having freedom in a country is like being that tyrannical parent that expects their child to always do things right, not allowing them to make mistakes and to flourish from it. At the end of the day the right answers will always come forward, no matter how loud the wrongs are.. unless a great force is trying to conceal it.

[@lucas5893]

What is freedom? America has homelessness, hunger, the biggest prison-industrial complex on Earth. People can't afford healthcare or college. Freedom isn't about not taking a vaccine, on the contrary, we can only be free If everyone takes a vaccine. everyone in America should read Hegel. America is NOT a unique country. That's American exceptionalism. It was not built upon personal freedom, It was built upon slavery and a white aristocracy.

[@SongofBeauty]

@@lucas5893 how can everyone be free if everyone takes the vaccine? Please elaborate. :)

[@spudkitn2263]

@@lucas5893 I think you misunderstood my message. I never said freedom is synonymous to what we personally think is right or good. The thorough respect of human autonomy comes with a heavy price. But thats what America fought for in the first place because they sincerely believed that all opinions and way of living should not be infringed, even if it meant having to constantly deal with conflict. When one dictates how someone should live and what kind of life is considered "the right way", you might agree with them now. But what if one day you disagree? what makes you think they're going to stop there?

[@undead4456]

@@lucas5893 dude, i’m saying this sincerely from my heart, stop drinking the kool-Aid before it’s too late. Take a step back and get off Twitter, i’ve been where you are right now and this shit isn’t healthy. You are just as much in an authoritarian cult as the people you’re pointing the finger at. Been there done that, if you want somebody to talk I’m here.

[@lucas5893]

@@undead4456 no dude. I respect your opinion. But as a latin american, I have to point out that no, your country never stood for freedom. The founding fathers were white aristocrats who owned slaves. The U.S has implemented and sponsored dozens of coups and dictatorships in Latin America. People who don't take a vaccine are not respecting humanity. They're risking ALL of us, because they're 1) making the pandemic last longer 2) creating more variants. You can't be free If you're sick in a hospital bed. Mandatory vaccines are necessary, please read Hegel's thoughts on Freedom and stop believing in American exceptionalism

[@julide6846]

I also need to add, there are many health 'experts' who claim that all of this is a hoax, are anti-vaccine/mask and many people fall into the trap of not knowing what or who to believe. If this pandemic is supposed to make us be responsible for it since governments aren't doing much help, I think we really do need to emphasize with each other and understand why there are so many mixed/opposing views instead of quickly rushing into debate and tyranny.

[@nateclipps]

My brother has been getting into that stuff. All of these videos of “health expects” claiming they are doctors and stuff saying the vaccine will kill you etc etc and fear mongering those from getting it. I have no issue if you don’t get the vaccine. I have a issue when you start spreading false info & keeping us divided for a couple of likes and followers

[@2m7b5]

Many of these "health experts" are also grifters who are trying to sell or have stake in some kind of alternative medicine.

[@nateclipps]

@@2m7b5 typically all of those “natural oil” B.S that they try to sell people on

[@alexdevcamp]

Brett Weinstein's Patreon support doubled after he took ivermectin on-air. They have a financial incentive.

[@user-fm9zl6mc3w]

@@alexdevcamp as if those major pharmaceutical companies pumping out the vaccines also don’t have financial incentive???

[@maggiefulop]

finally! i literally was just in an argument with someone who was trying to berate me for 'empathizing' and 'making excuses' for people who are unvaccinated. nothing is black and white imo and a lot of unvaxxed ppl ik havent gotten it simply because theyre scared... not bc theyre terrible people. awesome video!

[@2NDFLB-CLERK]

▪️ There was *NO* word that starts with a Pand, .. & Ends with a ... mic. 🟥

[@devinakwee6916]

dang thanks for talking about this; its opened me up to new perspectives since i nvr rlly understood why ppl wouldnt want to take the vaccine- to me, it always seemed like it was an act of selfishness to not get vaccinated but now i see that it goes the other way around as well by forcing ppl to take it 😓😓

[@iheartjbgccb]

It's not forcing its mandating. They're not putting a gun to people's heads- you can not get it but you will face repercussions.

[@user-hj7mo6zg8u]

@@iheartjbgccb it is forcing when people are forced to lose there job and can’t feed their children anymore or get it.

[@Klongu_Da_Bongu]

@@iheartjbgccb So it's a threat. Do what you want, or you'll be hurt in some way. That's the literal definition of a threat.

[@robertyounger5849]

You could have just asked a conservative at any point over the last couple years

[@robertyounger5849]

Why do you think I should feel terrible?

[@psiga]

As a friend of mine said: "But that really was the gist of it: 'You're making me sound wrong = you're making me sound stupid = you're humiliating me on purpose = I need to defend myself' is all the same thought/response action to that entire cohort." I get the impression that some folks invest so much emotional energy into their heuristics that trying to sideload new data into them just bounces off of a fear-driven force field.

[@wiktoriarudzka3025]

i started watching your channel like two days ago and i honestly think it’s the best i’ve seen so far. I love how you share your mind and your thinking. Everything is put together so good i love it. Not only your voice but you are pretty and calming.

[@elsieyeet5272]

right! She’s criminally underrated

[@nateclipps]

If she gets too popular she’ll probably get canceled by Twitter lol

[@ikochomi3070]

@@nateclipps yes

[@pulaski5220]

Bug people getting myocarditis. What a time to be alive.

[@50bladesofgrey43]

Big pharma shill is big pharma shill.

[@lamarhoward8478]

🎯🎯

[@julianchrobak-prince1915]

Compare the number of views on this discussion video to the views on other discussion videos she’s made. I can only imagine people see the title and think “I’m not watching this. I have no empathy for these people. They’re idiots.” It’s pretty telling about how tribal we’ve become.

[@missburn]

How do you know that is the reason? Maybe it's because people don't want to keep talking about the pandemic? To judge a group of people not clicking on a video you deem important and calling them tribal based on absolutely nothing, makes YOU look tribal. You don't know why people didn't click but you claim to know why. You have already decided how you view them without facts. How is that not tribal? Seems a bit "I'm better" mentality. That is the problem with centrist mentality, it quickly becomes judgy of the other sides. Amazing how everything online is about the clicks. Not every video gets the same amount of click anyway so why be upset at the lack of clicks here?

[@elsikpych]

@@missburn the problem vaccine crowd hates opinions that aren't democrats

[@2NDFLB-CLERK]

@@missburn ▪️ There was absolutely *NO* word that starts with a Pand, ... & Ends with a .. m¡c. 🟥

[@jovank1141]

First of all, let me say I'm neither an anitvaxxer or an anrimasker and I respect the opinion of medical professionals more than of some 50 yo woman on Facebook, but I have an interesting story I'd like to share. I live in Serbia, so it may not be like this in USA. My grandma passed away a year and a few months ago due to cancer, and she never had covid. Three days after her passing a goverment official (I think he was from the Ministery of Health but I'm not sure) approached my dad and straight up asked him if we would be willing to let them label her death as covid related for some amount of money (something like a monthly salary), he refused but that's unimportant. Again, this was in Serbia but no one would be surprised if the same thing could happen in USA or anywhere else in the world.

[@iwatchyoutube9425]

I know several people from Serbia and that does not surprise me at all based on other stories they've told me. Considering how much Western powers have influence in your country, I could easily see some NGO or even the federal government itself promising hospitals more funding if there are more deaths listed as COVID deaths. I don't mean to offend, but I've been told that bribery is pretty common there as well. Entirely plausible story, I agree that I wouldn't be surprised if similar things have happened here in the USA but just in a more top-down formalized bureaucracy way rather than a straight up bribe.

[@opheliavalentine6058]

It happens in the US too. Hospitals were getting paid to report positive results so what did they do? They tested everyone, even patients who died from car accidents, gun wounds, or other diseases. If they were positive their deaths were recorded as COVID deaths even though covid did not kill them. People are dying with COVID not from COVID. It’s pretty obvious that this virus has become political and for some companies it’s all about the profit. I am unvaxxed and will remain unvaxxed because this vaccine is made with new tech that hasn’t been tested on for long. I believe vaccines are effective but I’m not gonna be a Guinea pig for those big Pharma companies.

[@ikochomi3070]

Happen all the time in Indonesia. Even people die from motorcycle accident is labeled covid. It makes me want to k!ll that hospital owner.

[@JohnsonSmithson]

In Brazil it's was almost the same. But they just labelled everything as covid and they didn't even have to pay to do it.

[@rabenhell4782]

There were things like this in Hungary too.

[@madison7665]

This video is so important for people on both ends of this spectrum. Thank you so much for making this.

[@phantomshere]

I'm someone who couldn't get vaccinated for covid because of my parents who didn't trust it and threatened to kick me out if I did get vaccinated. And I'm in a pretty middle ground about it after it. I would have taken one if I could but I do think it is very fishy how we were expected to take four vaccines for the same thing in the span of a year, and how people who didn't for any reason were demonized to the point where you weren't even considered a person. I felt horrible all those months, on one side by my parents who treated everything as a hoax and on the other side being made feel like a worthless human being because of it, and feeling the need to pretty much isolate from everyone. All I'm saying is going to extremes about anything is definitely not the answer.

[@Bruh-zy3ix]

Dont get it, we know now that natural immunity is stronger and better than the needle. Exercise and eat as healthy as you can, and your good 👍

[@ima6032]

I love your channel. I discovered it on my birthday and it's been a treasure for me. Thank you for existing, I'm your number 1 fan

[@oliSUNvia]

HA that's adorable

[@coagulatedsalts4711]

i understand that people are hesitant about getting vaccinated but i do want to stress that long-term vaccine symptoms show up before 40 days of getting a vaccine. if there were a chance of people getting SOME form of issues (like decreased mental cognition, or a lowered immune response) it would definitely have popped up during clinical trials for the vaccine. and if you're worried that the vaccine may give you some long term illness or effect other than immunity, then the chances of those long-term effects passing by the clinical trials and getting to you are WAYYY WAYYYY less than you getting covid and dying. people in third world countries (like Pakistan where I'm from) have people walking across snowy mountain peaks to get children vaccinated, so it feels like a slap in the face (imo) to those who are struggling to get vaccinated and you choose to ignore the drive-through vaccination centers that you pass by on your way to work.

[@user-fm9zl6mc3w]

Why is it standard medical practice to test vaccines for at least a decade before releasing them, then?

[@petrichor9796]

@@user-fm9zl6mc3w I think it's because we were in global pandemic and millions of people were dying from it?

[@petrichor9796]

We still are*

[@user-fm9zl6mc3w]

@@petrichor9796 I totally understand that and I understand why most people are really eager to get it! What I’m trying to say is I can also understand the other side. For them, the risk of potential infection (or they’re ignorant and think the whole things a fluke - which is really the fault of the government for pushing their citizens into such a state of mistrust that they resort to these outlandish bullshit conspiracies to replace the statements of those in charge) outweighs the risk of injecting an experimental substance into themselves. This is a small minority and I honestly think their viewpoint is reasonable.

[@petrichor9796]

@@user-fm9zl6mc3w I definitely agree! You make good points :)) (I'm sorry for my English slander lol it's not my first language)

[@BenWeeks]

Risk stratification by age needs to be considered. The elderly are high risk so getting two shots makes sense. For the young to prevent an illness with a 1 in 200,000 chance of death by taking a shot with a 1 in 5,000 chance of death, that doesn't make sense. To require they do so makes even less sense. If those who are high-risk are protected by the shot, what others choose shouldn't be relevant. And firing healthcare workers who have already beat covid is irrational. They have a better version of what the vaccine gives as their antibodies fight every part of the virus. The shots just train it to fight spike proteins. Not the other parts.

[@makemoksha1502]

yup!

[@henrikejekel2247]

I agree that if it was just about your own health, vaccinating young people would not make sense. But it is also about protecting others, for example people who are immunodifficient and couldn't be vaccinated, or for whom vaccines do not work. Also, the lower the level of vaccination, the higher the chance of quickly seeing new variants of a virus because of mutations.

[@2NDFLB-CLERK]

▪️ There was nothing [new] 'to beat' . It was a *Pretendemic* . 🟥

[@annikalee3351]

i am . just floored by the eloquence of your commentary, your videos are what i look forward to most -- thank you for your empathy, always

[@altonsafe]

Truth is like perfection. Unattainable and everyone has a perception of them. Multiple truths can exist at the same time. Perfection only lasts as long as the perceivers mind stays the same. No one can live in their bubble forever and truth is just the blinds taken of when waking from your own ignorance. Understanding is the only real force that everyone can use to align with thought/perception.

[@flatmarssociety536]

I greatly appreciate the space you give to open conversation on a grey area in such polarizing topic. I like also how you clarify that there is a spectrum on the groups and how using these labels are sometimes counterproductive to open up a conversation. Since it could be that a person who has all their other vaccines on check questions or is hesitant of getting the inoculation for COVID-19 and people are quick to label them as anti-vaxxers when they're no necessarily against vaccines. I appreciate so much your channel and how you open these conversation from empathy and the encouragement to understand other people's way of thinking.

[@celestialmorpho]

i’m neutral. mandates are wrong tho

[@pinkerhero]

Easily the cleanest video essay I've ever heard. Your flow, precision, and thorough nuance is unmatched. Excellent, kind work.

[@adkisojk]

I think that you are naive about the motivations of politicians. I suggest that you look more at the history of governments and consider that institutions are just part of the governing.

[@kirsten3116]

There are also people simply waiting to get the vaccine because they had covid already and currently have immunity. Taking the vaccine in those cases runs the risk of the person feeling very under the weather and needing to stay home from work/school. My sister got her vaccine after having covid and she missed a week of work, and she's 25 with no underlying conditions! Not everyone can afford to risk missing so much work, and I know that is a perspective not often discussed.

[@nateclipps]

My mom had Covid last year in 2020, ( but the symptoms weren’t too bad ) she didn’t get Covid again until September of this year ( and contracted it to me ). And the symptoms were TERRIBLE. ( now she’s doing ok ) we tried to get the vaccine multiple times but they told us to wait a few months until getting it 🤦🏾, people also need to take in case the millions of scenarios causing people to not get the vaccine

[@nateclipps]

@@strawberrie6491 obviously not. Considering it has a 99% survival rate, my dad almost died but it’s because he’s old and has other conditions

[@nateclipps]

@@strawberrie6491 my dad is near close back to normal! He’s at a rehab I believe

[@strawberrie6491]

@@nateclipps that's why i don't understand why they are forcing it. it just comes off as weird and fishy as hell to me. almost all my coworkers think the same too.

[@nateclipps]

@@strawberrie6491 exactly.. the USA is money hungry and wants everyone to “get back to normal ) their approach of the vaccine is weird & just makes people turn a side eye to what’s happening…

[@Mistymist14]

Natural Immunity is an actual thing, there’s two types of immunities: Artificial and Natural Artificial is what we usually use such as vaccination, as we are GIVEN immunity. Natural Immunity is when your immune system responds and makes the antibodies without the help of vaccine.

[@giuliaferrucci6662]

Not quite exact. The two types of immunity are innate and adaptive, and both do occur naturally in our immune system. Immunity is not given by vaccines, what is given is a chance to the body to get to know a certain pathogen, since adaptive immunity is much quicker and more reactive from the second encounter onward

[@giuliaferrucci6662]

Not quite exact. The two types of immunity are innate and adaptive, and both do occur naturally in our immune system. Immunity is not given by vaccines, what is given is a chance to the body to get to know a certain pathogen, since adaptive immunity is much quicker and more reactive from the second encounter onward

[@katehafner284]

Just found your channel & I love your content! I was a journalism major, so I always get so frustrated with people (on either side) being so adamant that the opposing viewpoint has no validity. Thank you for analyzing things thoughtfully and fairly, no matter the topic!

[@lockheart619]

This was on my mind but I didn't know how to word it without sounding like I was anti-vax. You hit the nail on this very well.

[@lina_monet8508]

Thank you for being so calm about this subject. I know for me, being hesitant to get vaccinated, I feel like I’m constantly berated for my decisions by people who don’t care for what I think about things even when I do for them. I wish more people would be more like you in that they are willing to converse calmly about things that are affecting everyone around the globe.

[@zephyr4254]

it really sucks how social media polarizes everything, doesn't it :/ it seems like you're doing ok, tho. :)

[@bbb55590]

this aged terribly

[@yesneo6613]

I always find it so strange... "I BELIEVE in the muzzle. I BELIEVE in the clotshot" - sounds like fucking religion if you ask me

[@kenmasters1803]

It is a religion to these people. Lol still in denial they served the will of the actual devil for the past few years promoting this poison, all the discrimination, all the hate, the destruction of the economy and mental health globally.

[@whoyoucallinpinhead_216]

I am NOT anti-vaxx. I fully support vaccines. But I completely understand why some people are hesitant to get the COVID vaccine. It was made quickly. It was surrounded by politics. I hate this shaming of people.

[@aqmaral6454]

I really like how you make videos on “controversial” topics

[@jirehh.3020]

Two words: THANK. YOU. I respect others' decisions to mask or not mask or get vaccinated or not get vaccinated. At the end of the day, this constant demonization of a devastatingly large proportion of people is getting us nowhere.

[@jirehh.3020]

@roseau hallock Right, I meant I respect those who know that it's a personal choice. Not those who judge and demonize other people and try to make choices for them. Olivia's point was that effectiveness/truth aside, we have to examine the means we're using to convince others.

[@viiviizzz]

really like the ending. the part about luck is very factual. in fact when i discuss with some of the professors/tutors back in university, they too agree that sometimes in research, people just get lucky. not to say that people who are lucky dont work hard, but more like, because of certain luck, it helped them find the "answer"/ "truth" to their research. maybe you should join a podcast someday. i think its better to discuss these issues with people, than making a video on it, as usually people wouldnt search for it actively, but podcast would help convey these messages in a more appropriate manner, and probably to a much larger audience that are more concerned about certain issues

[@Lucia-sh7ed]

I'm surprisingly early I'm glad I could get these different perspectives and form my own opinion it's something many people would turn a blind eye to

[@clytie0610]

i seriously enjoy watching your videos so much! you always present the situation, look at the various sides, and organize your videos so so well :") please keep up the great work & thank you for facilitating/encouraging healthy conversations

[@dannysday2001]

Wow you seriously opened my mind and made me much more compassionate towards anti masks/ vacc people. As a Jewish person, it was painful for me to see so many antisemitic conspiracy theories regarding COVID-19, so after a while every anti mask/ vax claim felt like a personal attack. Now I'm starting to see how probably a lot of these people are just as scared and confused as me, and how we'll all be benefited from a more tolerant dialogue with them. Thanks 💜

[@serenityssolace]

The most antisemitic treatment was from Israel itself against its citizens. Vax mandates and putting rfid collars to quarantined people. Same like Hitler back then with the jewish star. The discrimination is of the same nature

[@2NDFLB-CLERK]

▪️ There was absolutely NO word that starts with a Pand, ... & Ends with a... mic. 🟥

[@DtehHermit]

I gotta say I really am curious how many people would be against masks if they weren't mandated where I live, and were always spoken about as optional instead.

[@toxicsugarart2103]

Huge same

[@derrick2251]

@@toxicsugarart2103 I’m in Florida big chilling. Haven’t worn a mask in over a year aside form the rare occasion that I’m asked to by someone I respect

[@2NDFLB-CLERK]

@@derrick2251 ▪️ Feeding into the cattIes' fantasy reality isn't respect. It's enabling. 🟥

[@derrick2251]

@@2NDFLB-CLERK if my grandma wanted me to wear a mask, I did. Respecting my elders. Not strangers.

[@2NDFLB-CLERK]

@@derrick2251 ▪️ Still. Feeding into *anyone's* delusional behavior is *not* being respectful. The truth of the matter is that there was absolutely *NO* word that starts with a Pand, ... and Ends with a .. mic. 🟥

[@ILoveMahCat]

Yep yep yep. The issue is that a lot of us can’t seem to get that there’s a difference between listening to an opinion and supporting it. I absolutely want to hear the opinions of every voting citizen in my country, not because I like all of those opinions but because I want to know how people are voting for laws that might affect me and why. That’s part of being an informed citizen.

[@anissabakerr]

i luv how u see all sides of situations and try to understand things from the other persons point of view

[@longlivesparkles13]

love this! I'm always getting new insights and understandings with your videos. I agree that we should be more empathetic with how we respond to antivaxers though i also understand how hard it is when there's people who go out to protest it and through violent means on top of that. Personally, I really try to stand by dealing with conflict through empathy but sometimes it gets confusing as to where or how to draw the line. But back to the topic, I remember my first reaction to antivaxers and anti maskers was confusion and frustration, that piled with the same confusion and frustration that my friends felt blew it up into flared up anger which resulted in outburst of 'are they stupid' and 'what the fuck' s. Around the same time, someone posted a story that said instead of getting angry, which would do barely anything to change minds, we should look into why people are antivax/antimask or why people think covid is a hoax or why they're scared. This caught me off guard cause it seems like such an obvious thing to think about in the first place but so many people are quick to snap back that there's never time to slow down and ask 'why'. And this obviously goes for the other side too. And now that I think about it, if you pear it back, this is usually how (mature) people deal with other people being angry or lashing out. When a child cries out of no where, we don't just yell back at them to stop crying, we try to figure out the cause, we ask them what's wrong. When a s/o comes home agitated and sensitive, we don't just tell them to stop. We ask them what's wrong and what we can do to help. Though it's a different situation because being antivax and antimask puts other people in danger, i agree with you that a more effective way of getting through to these people is being empathetic and these same methods we apply to loved ones can be applied to strangers. Because at the end of the day, people just want to feel heard and validated.

[@serenityssolace]

I think it's only natural response of anti vaxxers to become violent when they are fired from their jobs and they are thrown out in the streets because of mandating something that is unconstitutional

[@avoinwonderland]

Wait, it’s not normal to think that way ? Like the combinatorial explosion part ? Cuz I do that with so much , that it causes me to stick with my known safes a lot of times to save time/energy.

[@Sennith]

Thanks for making this video. I am in the same camp as you. I was glad to notice that I was able to be empathethic towards guests and coworkers when it comes to their chorona opinions. I knew from the very beginning that this whole chorona debakle was going to be extremely opinionated. Of course this would lead to direct invasion of freedom to act as you choose to. Of course invasion of freedom is met with a range of natural human reactions such as, doubt, worry, agression and so on. Among of many other things, I am in the camp of people who of course believe that the virus is real and serious. I also feel like this crisis is abused by the government, like mentioned in this video. It's just too juicy for a government to not abuse this situation considering all the attention they can get or distract. Times of uncertainty are times ripe for governments to promise solutions for the price of your freedoms. I am not against wearing masks at all, so don't get me wrong when I am talking about freedoms. But laws made now for this specific incident, will in the future provide as rulings to look back on, for the next time when it comes to invasions of your rights. Making it easier, every time. I feel like a freedom degeneration like this is not even avoidable with the current form of democracy in which we exist, right?

[@romane9666]

Thank you for this video!! Just out of curiosity, what are you studying? I really like that you always bring a nuanced point of view, it reminds me of my own biases and helps me to make my point of view evolve too

[@RiverReeves23]

Thank you for making this video. As someone who has read at least 3 medical research papers per day for the last 12 years, I reviewed the literature myself and came to the conclusion that it wasn't necessary for me (I'm young) and that developing a robust immunity (IgG, IgA and IgM) for a duration of 17+ years (SARS-CoV-1 data) that I would remove the potential for unknown side effects (no 5 year studies done yet), socially isolate until the virus naturally evolved to be less harmful and approach it that way. I was right, it did become less harmful and I caught the virus and had no issues. But I arrived at this decision through a lot of research. So please understand, some of us are very intelligent, educated in medicine and arrived at a very different conclusion. Ultimately, we should be able to make our own medical choices.

[@serenityssolace]

Yeah, it's all about freedom after all. And they want to take it away from us

[@2NDFLB-CLERK]

▪️ There was never any particular [new, novel] strain within the Pretendemic. Humans were just getting the same thing they've been getting since forever. 🟥

[@tisminnit]

Reminded me of a section from Brené Browns book Atlas of the Heart: "schadenfreude, it simply means pleasure or joy derived from someone else's suffering or misfortune... we often don't talk about our schadenfreude because it can make us feel shame and or guilt. This came up a lot during the pandemic when vaccinated people struggled with feeling outside their values over their schadenfreude toward antivaccination folks who were diagnosed with covid. I wrestled with it myself. I remember thinking one day 'is this who I want to be? Someone who celebrates people getting sick or dying-regardless of the circumstance?' I would justify it for a minute by thinking: 'but they're threatening my health and the health of people I love.' In the end I couldn't make it work with my values."

[@nategwright]

There’s a swath of reasons I’m heavily skeptical on both masks and vaccines, but the fact that politicians and public figures will shove COVID guidelines down your throat as if it were religious dogma that cannot be questioned, yet blatantly ignore all of that in their own personal lives is one of the biggest factors that makes me doubt that anything they say is to be taken seriously.

[@ramkomusique]

I really appreciate the nuance you bring! As a researcher, it's really tough to reassure people who think it's totally objective and final - science would not be what it is if it were static. I can definitely feel a bit more understanding for those not involved in the process and mistrusting of their governments

[@serenityssolace]

exactly because science is not static that you shouldn't mandate and force people into medical decisions of their bodies

[@hela_helio]

Thank you for this! I always wear a mask when needed with no issue and am fully vaccinated but it's understandable why people are hesitant.

[@jesslyn7089]

Your videos calm me down for a weird reason. You have such a smoothing voice ✨ thank you!

[@whatsofanzales]

Never been this early, nice to be here lol. i love your vids and all your insights, highly appreciate your content!!

[@evajohnson9059]

i’m really happy that you made this video because my parents are major anti masker and anti vaxxers, i am not but i’m not yet old enough to get the vaccine. people automatically assume i either full heartedly agree with my parents or fully disagree, i personally would get the vaccine if i could but i could see why people are skeptical, if they were leaving it up mainly to choice and not forcing it on people i guerentee that more people would get it. in some circumstances they will even pay you, and not gonna lie, it sound very much like it’s out of a sci fi movie, i get how it works and i’m not anti vaxx or anti mask but think of it as, “ the government is paying you to put a chemical in your body, would you do it?” is what most people see it as

[@iheartjbgccb]

It reminds me of a comedic episode from its always sunny. It LOOKS bad without context. Sorry about your family but you seem wise :)

[@2NDFLB-CLERK]

▪️ The whole thing was a *Pretendemic* . 🟥

[@sshadyh]

this is the reason i’m anti mask, nobody uses the correct mask or uses it correctly either so what’s the point

[@jael3345]

exactly. Also I've never seen a pro masker eat with their mask on (you know, when you can spread the virus the easiest).

[@2NDFLB-CLERK]

▪️ There is no "correct m@sk" for a *Pretendemic* . 🟥

[@user-rt8hl4rp4k]

Omg your voice is so soothing? And just really calming and nice to listen to. Thank you for talking lol

[@Kmac001]

Your channel has been a breath of fresh air. I have been binge-watching your nuanced, extremely thoughtful opinions. Thank you for being brave and sharing your full, intellectually honest breakdowns of various topics. You made my week. :)

[@sashaozornin7808]

Finally, someone speaks about how NUANCED everything is. It’s not all black and white

[@charlesdicus6451]

During the parts where I wasn't distracted by who I was looking at, and paying attention to what I was being told ;D , I heard a lot of good points about how easy it would be to interpret a lot of information and about how drawing a line between vaxx vs. anti-vaxx isn't helpful. It's good to see this alongside a solid case for vaccination and good mask usage.

[@VirtualSG]

From description: "i worry that more often than not, the discussion has come to be about making the people you disagree with feel stupid and humiliated." i find this is a thing with people, generally speaking. so... yeah.

[@spudkitn2263]

I love your videos btw! So refreshing to know theres another girl who is willing to see both ends regardless of personal opinion. I sincerely hope you will reach far in your life!!

[@woobi4739]

STILL NOT GETTING IT

[@behindtheline40]

Wow did you quote both Francis Fukuyama and John Vervaeke in the same video.

[@notray4802]

honestly was not expecting to hear a fukuyama citation, but positively surprised

[@matthewflores6250]

I totally agree w you when it comes to trying to understand people with opposing views. I think you hit it right on the money when talking about luck most people on the left who talk about politics online are lucky they weren’t born in a place where they are fed misinformation bc most people r pretty susceptible it. If you don’t mind answering how do you feel about vaccine mandates?

[@xaviercockerton6989]

I like the way you make arguments. They seem very well put together. Are you at all familiar with Propositional Calculus? I remember you stated you are a philosophy student so you may have already studied it. One of the great moments where mathematicians and philosphers can communicate.

[@Goldun-nah]

The most detailed and nuanced take. So happy to have found your page. Your intelligence is needed… and SO refreshing. Thank you.

[@kovenantliby1996]

I appreciate your thoughtful discussion of the way mistrust for the government plays into Americans’ vaccine hesitancy. Our government has a long track record of acting in line with corporate interests to the ultimate harm of the people, which understandably gives the people cause to doubt whether a state-sponsored vaccine is meant for the good of the people, or just to make money for a corporation and the politicians who are stakeholders in those corporations. Having grown up in a conservative community, I can attest that mistrust for government and big pharmaceutical corporations is foundational among anti-vaxx people.

[@EggnogLover8]

Thank you so much for making such a thoughtful and well composed video on this very complicated subject. I’ve honestly felt so alone and in the middle during this pandemic. I personally believe in the efficacy of the vaccine and masking up, but I see the nuance. My mom is the director of pharmacy at a hospital, and she is super anti the COVID vaccine and anti mask, saying it is all BS. She thinks that because of her experience at her hospital, where 52% of their hospitalized COVID patients are vaccinated, and 48% unvaccinated, she sees a lot of conflicting information first hand, and therefore has a lot of physician friends who corroborate her experience. I’ve tried explaining that just because that is her experience, that doesn’t mean it’s happening everywhere in the country, but she can’t get past her own bias. I honestly can’t blame her sometimes. But I think people need to stop thinking of this as an issue of doctors vs the dumb uneducated public. Everyone is involved here, and nothing about this is simple

[@serenityssolace]

Dude, she has first hand experience. Of course she is justified and most likely 99% right. It really baffles me how you can not believe her, more over trying to convince her off the opposite she is experiencing everyday at work. WTF

[@Sammy-bu4ms]

I love your channel! I hope I can be like you someday

[@insanitycubed8832]

You notice how youtube is showing no newer comments under popular? I miss when what algorithms did was known to the public

[@blue.orangeade]

off-topic but ur rlly so pretty! what a style icon too 😔

[@hihi615]

I feel like some people don't take it for religious or philosophical reasons. And others simply because it's a weird unknown substance their putting in their body, probably afraid of how their body is going to react. I guess it's like immunizations. How some people don't take those for personal reasons.

[@akirasstoragefacility]

we all want the same thing. we're all trying to figure out how to achieve it. we have conflicting ideas. sometimes we agree and we collaborate and we make a lot of progress. sometimes the opposite. sometimes we collaborate on something that works in the moment, but will no longer work if we continue doing the exact same thing. we must find what works better than the last thing. we must evolve. it takes luck, it takes knowledge, it takes a lot of things. but i think YOU olivia (im assuming your name is?), have a lot of the things to take thought forward towards something that works better for everyone. i respect that and i appreciate that soso much. i want to do something similar. hopefully ill try to. thank you for your brain! its a beautiful thing! ^0^

[@haunted7937]

moral of the niki minaj story: don’t tweet

[@akirasstoragefacility]

I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOUR APPROACH TO THOUGHT AND YOUR CONVEYANCE OF THAT THOUGHT YOU ARE SO COOL AGHHH

[@oliSUNvia]

thank you!!!!

[@akirasstoragefacility]

@@oliSUNvia :00 ^v^~🧸💕 i appreciate your brain

[@annafromohio]

This is a really great video and I so appreciate you taking the courageous role of opening this discourse to your audience. I looked up the "18 reasons I'm not getting vaccinated" article and felt that it made an extremely valid argument. I'm curious what sources you used to "fact check"?

[@jennaolmiala8066]

I love watching your videos so much as i think in the same mindset as you but you definitely organize these ideas better than i ever could. The main idea is that bias leads us to believe what we believe and whit so many perspectives we cant rely on one truth ever and we will never know the real truth to anything and that should be respected within conversations and debates.

[@NinjaLLR]

very refreshing to see discourse that isn't just tarring everyone with the same brush. I am also pro-mask & vax but it really annoys me when people oversimplify things because it gets us nowhere in the argument

[@weirdnerdygoat]

The video is AMAZING, I mean the pandemic is pretty much over now but an interesting topic, however there was one thing I didn't understand- talking about feeling more or less empathy for different people. I just find that weird- you can't just choose to turn your empathy on or off for different people, and understanding other people us especially important when you view their opinion as incorrect. Just found that weird, I feel the same "amount" of empathy for people raging about microchips and aliens and people hesitant about the safety of a new vaccine. Like, noone chooses to do the stupid thing on purpose

[@cristiangomez5324]

Thank you for your insight. Your channel is a gem and im glad to have found it. I’d like to hear your thoughts about vax mandates. I know you mentioned you were Canadian and I’d like to hear what you have experienced in Canada. For myself in the US, many folks are in the ultimatum of either being forced to get vaccinated or quit their job. Not surprisingly, folks are choosing to quit. Not to mention that many places in LA are already asking people to show their vaccination status for entry to restaurants, amusement parks, malls, etc. Personally, I feel if the US government didn’t push Vaccination and went with Florida’s current approach to vax policy, there would be a higher amount of vaccinated people. I feel forcing people into an ultimatum would make people who were initially on the fence choose to stay unvaccinated in defiance to the mandates. This is what’s happening with Southwest Airlines currently, it’s a serious factor that will lead to a prolonged worker shortage in America. Thank you again for the great dialogue you bring! I look forward to your next video!

[@aquamarinenoble5574]

i love this video!!! Definitely helped me figure out how to approach finding empathy for people i disagree with on other subjects too. Thank you!!!

[@GlAsseshalf]

You were spitting this whole video, your take is like mine but I’ve never heard it represented until now. Also I never thought to realize how easy masks get infected

[@The-San-Francisco-Treat]

I come from a family that was always hesitant about vaccinations٫ and seeing how the internet acts about it is like an insult to my loved ones. you are a very smart and understanding person for understanding both sides❤

[@solowplaysmc9013]

Such a good video, its so important to respect and try our best to understand people who may have been misled rather than dismissing them immediately.

[@ivandozdor5277]

how do you feel about these now, no judgement, just would want to know as doubtful vaxxer from beginning and anti vaxxer and anti masker now

[@ivandozdor5277]

really good video because many people didn't even come up with understanding of this question

[@Alex-Livingston]

Wow. I've been considering how to make sense of this topic in my head for forever now. Ultimately I've come to most of the conclusions you have, but you explained it a hell of a lot better than I have. Keep up the good work, we need more people like us!

[@tonic.9234]

I like what you said a lot except for when you discussed about how some people don't believe covid is as dangerous as its said to be. You brought up how people you talk to are mostly using their personal experiences with the virus to back up this claim, but this is a personal experience of yours. I have not had this experience. The people who brought this topic up to me (me included), were citing the survival rate and other scientific data. In no way am I saying the virus isn't a danger to SOME. It absolutely is. But MOST, it is not. I actually had a very bad case. Was sick for 6 weeks & ended up in the ER one day for complications related to it. But I'm one of the rare ones, and I acknowledge that fully. Anyway! I love your content & have been really enjoying hearing your perspective! Keep it up!! 💕

[@tonic.9234]

Oh! Also, doctors recommended that I not get the vaccine since I had such a bad case & built up such strong antibodies. My health is very complex and has a lot of unknowns, so they thought the vaccine would do more harm than good for me SINCE I had the virus. If I hadn't had the virus, then it'd be a totally different conversation I'm sure!!! I'm pro-vaxx but pro-choice of the vaxx. Not all people need it, and it shouldn't be mandated. Everyone should have their choice. It's absolutely helping people! I'm so glad we have it.

[@panchirajput9817]

hey i was waiting for ur video, my fellow philosophy major from another part of the world ✨

[@laithsamamreh8581]

She 👏🏻don’t 👏🏻miss 😤👏🏻

[@tomnoakes7267]

Hey, I watched one of your previous videos, where you mentioned that now you’re not quite sure that truth exists, would love a video about that topic!

[@earthlover8606]

I really love your videos. You are voice and intellectually rigor is so needed right now!

[@jgjg329]

Love love love your channel. On behalf of all of the Moderate, sane, civil people on KZbin. Thank you.

[@damianluck925]

empire using witchcraft too many souls got trapped. ive been runnin. 2 many years i been runnin. had to ground and get the sun in. open my eyes now im plugged yea thats right. cant get lost in the light.