LLinusLLove Caught Cheating??? | A GTO Investigation

[@haugi357]

Honestly being so good at a game that other people claim youre cheating is one of the biggest compliments there is. Linus is just insanely skilled.

[@anonimus5996]

Right!.... I get called a cheater at pretty much every game I play. One time some Asian dude called me a cheater live at the tables. 😂😂👌 I just started laughing. 😂😂👌

[@AltumNovo]

And how do you know this? Even if Linus isn't cheating, tons of high stakes pros online are, because the software is out there. So why are you so sure linus isn't, being the best in the world by far. There's obviously no absolute proof but why on earth would you make a comment like this? As though cheating doesn't exist.

[@haugi357]

@@AltumNovo Where do you have that information from? Ive never heard of "tons" of high stakes pros cheating. And of course i dont know it 100% but given for how long Linus has been crushing now, not only online but also live as well, i find it very very hard to believe he is cheating

[@AltumNovo]

@@haugi357 Why do you find it hard to believe? The software is easy to make and easily made undetectable so with the amount of money involved why wouldn't everyone be doing it, and if everyone is then Linus has to. Winning at high stakes online is just a battle of who has the best software.

[@haugi357]

@@AltumNovoAgain, where do you have that information from? From what i know people at high stakes are not cheating at those who are caught pretty quickly. Youre just making assumptions.

[@willlowry8313]

The music you chose during your conclusion made this video +ev

[@epicpurevids]

yeah what is that tune, very +Ev

[@ra1u]

Linus response on forum: I'd happily play anyone who calls me a cheater heads-up on webcam or I'd even be willing to play them while recording myself as long as the stakes are high enough

[@anonimus5996]

If I was Linus, I would keep them guessing and plus I like being called a cheater. 😎😎👌👌

[@user-xr4bq3eo7s]

Doesn't mean he isn't using a bot.. He just has a very good understanding of gto so nobody can prove anything. Also gto should only be used against skilled opponents and not against weak - average regs. So that means if Llinus finds a weakness in some of his opponents he will obviously deviate from GTO and go for an exploitative approach. GTO bots only help you be break even against other people who use GTO bots..

[@ra1u]

@@user-xr4bq3eo7s Afaik playing GTO against sub-optimal opponent or strategy is not as bad as people advertising playing exploitative strategy are trying to sell.

[@user-xr4bq3eo7s]

@@ra1u Of course it's not. GTO is designed to win. But an exploitative strategy against weaker opponents is simply more profitable.

[@user-xr4bq3eo7s]

@@ra1u My point is that linus is not only playing GTO but exploitative as well. A gto bot plays only gto. So nobody can prove anything but it's very likely that all of the top cash game regs not only Llinus are using bots

[@joelmcc88]

Linus is this your channel?

[@clevertrevorsdad]

Scrotie McBoogerballs lol

[@FindingEquilibrium]

shhhhh

[@winro7436]

Ikr

[@anonimus5996]

No, it's his brothers....

[@cheolbeom3326]

ahahaha love this comment

[@Pumalate77]

Your explanations are awesome. Also, like..soothing, simple, and because they are so concise and observably correct, calming. I like it. A+ channel!

[@madcatattack1]

Wonderful explanations of game theory principles, as always!

[@CurrencyTradingCards]

One of your best videos imo. Need more videos about principles and heuristics that can be used in situations never encountered before. Luv u

[@llcoolmartine]

This is simply the best poker channel on KZbin. Period. Very instructive and clear reasoning for each spot and I'm learning tons.

[@edwardhalmarack7122]

llcoolmartine what that you check the nuts on a turn the opponent can easily float or represent in position. Very basic and overcomplicating simple principles. River can go either way shive ir continue to let bluff

[@EricSmyth4Christ]

If Love was a cheater he would stay away from the live scene

[@adeltk6999]

He's not propperly a cheater but like two banned expresso top regs on the french network Winamax, he worked so hard on pio to understand GTO solution resolving that he can actualy quite easily approching a perfect poker. There's another postulate came from the 2010 high stakes scene wich talks about someone who developed a tracker with HUD features to show some GTO balanced sizings and frequencies plays better than screening some players statistics tendencies like commonly used trackers as Pokertracker and Holdem manager for exemple. Some players where suspicious about RAGEN who was unbeatable and he use to play some absolutly insane and unstandards strategic lines like if he knew your cards. They already started to think about players who where using a strong technologic cheating system at these old times on online poker tables.

[@AltumNovo]

Not really because the money online is small these days and to even cheat online with solvers you still have to be pretty smart, no reason why he can't learn to beat live games somewhat.

[@adeltk6999]

Have a journey on 2+2 matey, there's a thread about an actual technologic cheating subject involving bots cartels who are struggling each together to control the lobby ;)

[@SolarEclipse-l6y]

Actually, he is not good in the live scene. You can look up the newest Tridon event.

[@OsefKincaid]

If a serious person wanted to "prove Linus is cheating", they would just compare his live play to his online play. There would be significant differences there and it should be easy to spot. That serious person wouldn't go about it by selecting four random hands from online a while ago that have no frame of reference.

[@OsefKincaid]

Although for the record even that would be flawed, as I tend to play a lot more exploitative live than online (at my level, which is not their level obviously) and I guess a lot of people do that.

[@AH17293]

@@OsefKincaid Yea I'd imagine his play deviates from gto in live play.

[@pietpaulusma5146]

15:25 is that a refference to Nathan on your side or am I delusional

[@lh5636]

that first hand the turn he sometimes misses 5k for not doing the turn bet for being a human and wanting to trap the villain

[@gabb5483]

Sounds like a really ridicolous accusation. Basing proof on 4 bet pots is just stupid by itself when you will find may more weird lines in high spr, wide range spots. We have seen way more ridicolous solver approved lines taken by Linus in live games than these hands that apparently prove him a cheater.

[@wlibera]

Could you post a link to the 2+2 theard with that discussion?

[@jeramy576]

I'm not sure if YT allows links or not. If it doesn't search September 2019 High Stakes Thread and it should show up. Scroll down it's the 8th post on page 9 of the September HS thread. forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/september-2019-high-stakes-thread-1751368/index9.html

[@FindingEquilibrium]

He also made a separate thread in the same forum but he eventually deleted it.

[@golozaur1]

Great content, clarity and equanimity in thought process! Thanks for sharing an extremely valuable content and information! Totally on board with the idea of learning the principles that will then guide you through the unknown situations we will encounter.

[@evrenturan5632]

These videos are absolutely top notch and amazingly insightful!

[@luizperezdacosta1726]

If it's possible analyse a hand between Stephen Chidwick and Cristopher Volgonsang in the Super high roller bowl london that Chidwick raises river with A2o against A5o 3 barrel bluff of Cristopher

[@luizperezdacosta1726]

Great video, please make more of it. If it's possible more than one a week!! Best channel on youtube

[@tomrotterford4551]

Well, he could've checked to set a trap and make it look like he was bluffing straight from the preflop.

[@KimiiiRaikkonen]

Love this high quality video contents. Awesome youtube channel. Thank you

[@Artur_Papryka]

Why there are no webcam tables on PokerStars yet? They were really fun on 888 but for some reason they resigned from it. Technical, or practical difficulties?

[@ig8388]

thought it would be appropriate to mention here about the "How gto scammers work in husng" thread on 2+2. If you haven't seen it yet look it up. Essentially a guy outs how bot rings have been using real time assistance (two computers linked together with GTO solutions appearing in real time) for years. There's a youtube video in the thread that links to how it all works. I'm not saying LLinus has been using this but there's no reason he would not have been.

[@Stefanburakov]

He is not cheating, the KK vs 1010 standard cooler, Linus and Trueteller are both top 10 in the world at most formates off poker.

[@CipherSerpico]

Linus, OTB, and TrueTeller-3 handed. That’s just too sick. I really wish I could watch them play on Stars, despite being in the US. PokerGo needs to have a cash game with Linus, OTB, TrueTeller, Ivey, Dwan, Galfond and Jungleman. I know Ivey isn’t at the top anymore when it comes to Hold’em, but he’ll always be my guy.

[@uniquelolapps7318]

how do you mean Ivey is not to the top anymore? he is the god of hold em, he just doesnt want to play online for those low stakes. ivey play in mocao and manila on the highest nosebleeds with asians billionares. also ivey is live player which has live read edges over the internet kids

[@37sinco]

Just watch Triton cash games

[@samuraijack1371]

3 of the 2 hands were super sensitive to pre flop ranges and two were just set up incorrectly. Even if you have a solver solution while playing, it implies that your opponent will play GTO. If doesn't, applying solver equilibrium solution could lead to -EV decisions. And this problem gets exacerbated when you go from flop to river. The river solution is heavily dependent on the ranges that both players have carried to river.

[@AmandaRoberts2024]

What are your thoughts on Pokersnowie? I'd be curious since you're using it in this video in addition to Pio

[@smalltime1982]

During the poker boom I made money from tournaments and sit and go's playing 10 tables at a time. Reading the no limit section of super systems and a little of Sklansky on Poker along with early Shark Scope was all it took to turn your laptop into an ATM and be ahead of the curve and Donks..... I've not played properly for years and watching this video makes me realise I'd have to knuckle down studying for about a century until my play would be profitable playing online. Bear pit... If you are bright enough to beat the increased rakes, AI and the rest of the online obstacles I bow to you!! I AM SIMPLY NOT UP TO IT! :)

[@huguito8607]

It really became other totally different game. I mean, a nl25 winning reg now, sure could make XXX XXX$ a year on the 2006-2010 environment.

[@someluke005]

@2:24 where I can see pio 100% freq check Turn? @2:16 it shows 26% check and rest bet so I am not sure how later you are saying that Turn check is 100% correct.

[@stkfr]

online poker is going to die soon or later because of all thoses extra programs and helps. Rooms should never have allowed trackers in the first place, in my opinion. And players should have been able to get untracked and change id everytime they want.

[@krin8831]

@Moan Of course only top 10% are winning, but that is not because of patience, but because of rake. Especially in lower stakes, if you are not much better than others, you are losing money

[@ManicMindTrick]

@Moan There is nothing that says that the top 10% of players need to be human. I can see a future where better bots lives off cannibalizing worse bots. When that happens it's obviously game over for the game. I see it as inevitable on the higher stakes unless you come up with a technical solution.

[@anonimus5996]

Yeah definitely.... There's always sore losers who follow people who beat them around and run the clock pretty much every hand. I got a lot of those too, but they're stupid because they don't know that I thrive off of that. It ends up making me even more money, but it just takes a bit longer than it should. 😂😂🙌🙌

[@anonimus5996]

Especially online because I would rather do other things too while I play and I would prefer not too fast. At times I would prefer as slow as possible.. 😂😂👌👌

[@bildrwic3]

Being able to change ID or go full anonymous is hilarious. In live poker can players wear masks? Hell no. Poker is a game if information and knowing who are you playing against is a must.

[@ZhuDaMC]

Linus' solver add-in is in his brain.

[@henrykay5750]

Probably the best view to like ratio of any video on youtube

[@joshuapatrick682]

Could he be using a solver while playing? Absolutely, is he? How can you prove either? You cannot which is why online is such a nightmare especially the higher the stakes.

[@vsantet42]

Just an amazing channel. Keep going. You can't imagine how happy I am since I dicsovered your videos one week ago.

[@michaeljordan8377]

Did trueteller call on the river in the first hand?

[@katrinamichlik9410]

Michael Jordan is this a serious question?

[@FindingEquilibrium]

yes

[@Romans8-9]

yh he folded a full house 3handed ldo.

[@davidmbonu2689]

Michael Jordan yo if you ever wanna play heads up hmu 😂

[@CipherSerpico]

Hellmuth and Negreanu would’ve folded.

[@truetellerrrr301]

Nice video and great channel, but the title of this video is just wrong. I'm not even against clickbaiting in general, but this is just wrong for the reasons you for sure understand.

[@johndubois9416]

What is the name of the song at the end of the video?

[@garygwin1741]

Both Sim's ranges are unrealistic in 5-bet situations. In fact, many of your average everyday players would have folded 10-10 to a 5-bet, even in a short-handed scenario.

[@Henry94863]

these are not average, everyday players

[@willguggn2]

This isn't 2NL. ;)

[@CtrlAltDel007]

I would recommend you to consider to make the music at the end of your videos not so loud.

[@rEAdyOrN]

I like how people say the best players in the world cheat with no proof, just cause they are good.... I mean thats what they are supposed to do. No tournament host or any of his opponents have ever had any reason to say he is cheating but we "the internet people" do so cause he is too good.

[@NLTony]

Well that was a great lesson just before my stars session! Thanks dude! Liked and subscribed ;)

[@209twitch]

I don't think Linus is cheating, very anecdotal evidence from Filmsies

[@hunterneilson8287]

"cheating through solver assistance on online play' then proceeds to only have a sample size of 3 online hands. Does not make much sense to me if he legitimately knew he was cheating why not just collect the information to call him out rather than make very loose accusations. Sounds like someone's just mad someone has worked hard to develop a better strategy; and wow what a concept someone is implementing GTO solvers in their game ... weird situation overall though

[@hunterneilson8287]

just read this in the description too : "Note: Fiilismies later retracted his accusation after discussing further with Linus. " LOL

[@aarbar6615]

It amazes me how egotistical high stakes players can be. gto is a baseline strategy and one very few follow perfectly. Is it really a stretch to think Linus studied his opponents deviations from it and found the best to way to play exploitative against their deviations?

[@sidchuownz]

What is that outro music?

[@grnlite7]

Well done 👍 easy to understand, nicely articulated exposé.

[@mattmachuso1455]

Is a capped range the opposite of a wide range?

[@olbatarsworkshop]

NO, a capped range is a way to caracterize a hand panel which given the betting information can't contain nut hands. It's mainly used River with overbets against opponents who are not aware of this concept.

[@AltumNovo]

All the top online cash players are simultaneously using bots and are probably very good at poker without them.

[@ownedpapa]

Linus you probably wont read this but if you do, you a legend, big fan here from belgium. sometimes i just watch your cashgames tables @pokerstars and watch you , (if there is any action because there all so scared from you haha) , keep it up mate . #bigfan

[@michaelangst6078]

How does studying a solver all the time mean he is cheating?? We all know poker is tough as fucking hell to win at high stakes.. you either have to grind mtt's all day everyday to make a living, which sucks up all your free time, or get good at sports betting, or the stock market to make serious money at gambling.. We all know for years now you have to be extremely good and thinking 100% of the time to make consistent money at cash games..

[@deathbymonkeys]

Another great video. Thank you.

[@Riley321b]

Is it even cheating to use a solver while playing online? I don't think this is cheating. It's similar to using an overlay with stats on your opponent.

[@adeltk6999]

Of course it's cheating, advantage is gonna be huge if you play with a GTO HUD better than playing with a traditionnal HUD

[@biggawinnacrapsa3870]

They had to draw the line somewhere, otherwise, step by step, restrictions would topple like dominoes and eventually, bots that looked like humans would be allowed to sit at the final table of the WSOP Main Event.

[@bildrwic3]

You can't though. To set ranges and parameters and to run the sim takes way too much time. There is no program that can do that automatically.

[@adeltk6999]

@@bildrwic3 Nope, an SQL feature to export live datas is enough. Actually, the pluribus clouding solution coast less than 200$ to build and the system had been made for focusing the calculating power for one or just a couple of pertinent stuffs about every single case decision trees. In fact it turns it really different than the 6 max poker bot with the Libratus bot developped for a five millions bucks computering solution. Regards

[@Bestvids98]

Suomalaisia joita nauratti Fiilismies = Fillismis? :D:D

[@by_milo]

Kyllä, mitä tasoja pelaat?

[@dc-nm9jo]

Raising with pockets Kings AND betting on a full house???? Cheatin' bastard!!!!

[@pokerijuttuja8928]

where did you find fiilismies ranges on that spot?

[@brianbadonde9121]

Why has everything got to be what the solvers do and what line he has taken and what the players ranges are? just let people play the cards and the opponent, who cares stop killing the game! If we always knew what each move meant the game would be so boring

[@arbietrary4993]

How much did THAT GUY won online exactly ???

[@playy4110]

playing 200NL with a 6bb/100 winrate over 1 million hands you can expect: $70,000 - $170,000. Playing 2000NL.... LLinus is making $1,000,000's

[@spyderwarteam8335]

Lunus: F*ck GTO, lets play exploitative.

[@CleannMerc]

New favorite poker youtuber

[@mijo1776]

whos channel is this?

[@mazziskin]

As Always, great contents. How can I contact you?

[@FindingEquilibrium]

thanks. [e-mail]. it may take a while to respond however.

[@leclubber]

you just did

[@jayg5746]

STAY BALANCED BABY!

[@praveenchandrajoshi4286]

Limitless making a fool of himself by acusing linus.

[@MrSadasdsdad]

"Voce acha que se eu tivesse xitando eu terica checado saud iuehasdasd " - aspx

[@ricardosimoes327]

Love you content!! Keep up the good work!!

[@SolarEclipse-l6y]

I agreed with Fiilismies. LLinusLLove is not good as online when he play offline table. Same as TrueTeller.

[@arsenicherkas9598]

Nice review. Thank you very much.

[@scottwesley5018]

Surely using lots of real time software but most pros at that level do it

[@effortlessawareness8778]

How is it cheating when you use pio. It makes 0 sense. If you can afford to buy another laptop with pio running and simultaneously plug in the flop turn and river cards your hand and position vs villain, then you are not cheating per se. Because anyone who can afford having another laptop can do this. So It makes no sense because this is what everyone and anyone can do anyways if they have the money to do so and become fast at plugging in the inputs on pio.

[@ap6342]

H Josh you clearly have no idea what you‘re talking about. How would you run 200bb sims on another laptop while playing? Do you know how long it takes to run sims?

[@effortlessawareness8778]

Antonio Pavlic Ya I can do it within 30 seconds It works for me thats why im crushing it online lol

[@jamesoofou6723]

>misses the most blatant sarcasm ever That's arrogance for u

[@NoLongerGrilling]

“In order words, subscribe to this KZbin channel” 😂

[@tylerjoyner9865]

When you have a lot of money up for grabs there’s gonna be cheating

[@anonimus5996]

True, but this guys isn't cheating.

[@Stockhandle123]

A Non I'm Us imo it’s not cheating anyway

[@jimmy18547]

Linus and “cheating” should NEVER be used in the same sentence

[@pudelinocacalat2951]

Lesson is Llinus is not following true gto and the other guy is a fisj

[@biggawinnacrapsa3870]

Anyone who gambles online gets EXACTLY what he or she deserves.

[@2306maher]

Mike Postle support LLinusLLove.

[@turmoil9]

Who is in the thumbnail?

[@williamtell5555]

It's Tupac

[@FindingEquilibrium]

Apparently Fiilismies? I googled his name and this image came up.

[@marcelogruschky8136]

Hey, what is your Nick ?

[@AustinHammy32]

It seems like a stretch to call Linus a cheater based on these hands. It looks to me that he's simply an excellent player that utilizes GTO and exploitative very well together.

[@NikhilAutar]

First hand... why wouldnt you donk shove? You get called by all kx, many q, perhaps some 10x as what bluffs do they have that float that flop and then bet the river?

[@explorerturk]

bet the turn?

[@davidstark_]

New to poker, how is a new guy supposed to understand all this? Serious question

[@bazstanz2199]

Fish on a heater 🤣

[@marcelogruschky8136]

Like 4 days ago, i saw linnus gifting a 200bbs pot tu godofhu in nl10k. Yes, a gift. AK 4b call pf, and then check raise a 33% cbet and call the jam on QXX. Very GTO this play. After he get out of the table and didnt play de 25k hrs the next day. Like a human, i tilted one.

[@gyorgysolymosi562]

Or inserted some real play without bot, that makes sense...

[@KamratKamala]

Thank you!

[@joeyandle1]

Unbelievably good content, Thankyou kind sir!

[@jjjj-pv5ws]

Honestly if I can memorize the periodic table I can memorize GTO solver for all the hands….I don’t think he’s cheating. It’s possible someone can memorize everything.

[@beepbadapup8523]

Your comparison is insane. If I recall correctly there are ~20'000 unique flops possible. This leads to billions of billions of different game trees. It's not possible to remember the correct action on any board.

[@ltisenotem]

😂😂😂 Dude, that is gold 😂

[@SrfkidHB]

I dont even use pio myself, and i wouldve Played kk the same

[@jacobolson8417]

I like this do more cash game and less MTT. subbed

[@IChiggsI]

Many of the real scandals in the poker world aren't even though aired online

[@petershanks3049]

Such as ?

[@gosukrul]

you're totally underestimating the power of intuition

[@369-n2e]

GTO is bullshit .He played good and very lucky nothing more. KK A10 and 44 making a straight and the other guy with QQ Raise was very bad played. Simple .. I play poker every day for 15 years

[@keirsullivan2578]

I hate the title of this.

[@gingernut2297]

Everybody cheats

[@ZhuDaMC]

Being so good, that you are called a cheater, might be the biggest compliment.

[@iocto._.]

Weird accusations. We've seen him implement very peculiar lines in live play, which in turn were often in accordance to the solver's strat (and when they weren't, you sometimes gave appropriate explanation for what was actually an exploitative move)... bitches be angry at linus xd

[@AT-qu2bz]

awesome channel mate

[@paalsandmo9728]

Haters gonna hate

[@RafiVegasVlog]

gold

[@mightypensword]

"it is my opinion" no, it is your guess

[@NickMeisher]

Guess and Opinion are synonyms.

[@michael2305]

@@NickMeisher lmao, someone slap this guy's english teacher.

[@JL-fj3it]

Very good content

[@winro7436]

I knew it

[@missclik1419]

niiice