Finegold Once Said "Never Play F5" | Latvian Gambit | A GM Naroditsky Theory Speed Run

[@Hellmuth4]

can't wait for the 2 hour history of the damiano defense video

[@owenallenaz]

Came for the chess, stay for the historical trolling.

[@ahrrydepp493]

Man i love ben finegold, he is like a stand up comedian that ended up to became a GM. Also great video as always danya

[@Tinil0]

I love how we have the category "Computers plus Hikaru" to describe "Things that can beat you 99% of the time from this (presumably lost) position"

[@matteopriotto5131]

It's 2am here in Italy, I've just gotten out from work and a new video by Danya has just dropped. It's wonderful!

[@JustIn_Kase]

Just for reference on e4 e5, this speedrun, Danya has played the Vienna only once. He has tried playing the 4 Knight's Scotch 4 times, but has yet to reach it Danya has faced c5 8 times, c6 4 times, e6 2 times, and d5 2 times. The other first moves against e4 have been reached once: d6, g6, b6.

[@Arthas30000]

Thank you for the summary! :D

[@tarunlilley]

When did Danya play the Vienna this speedrun? Was it a game that didn’t make it to KZbin?

[@mcbomb7447]

"Other first moves" Alekhine: Am I a joke to you? 😅

[@JustIn_Kase]

@@tarunlilley I'm almost positive he uploaded it, but I can't seem to find it. (Maybe he deleted it or maybe I just watched it live) It was around when he was 1450. I found the game on his account and I almost distinctly remember him saying something about f5 not often being the best, but here it's a great way to block the light bishop.

[@JustIn_Kase]

@@mcbomb7447 Oh yeah, I just looked at the immediate moves against e4. I remember that game and I believe it was a transposition from something else. Or maybe I just forget

[@Mittens]

It's incredible that you remembered the one time Ben Finegold said to never play f5, I think he said it in 1984 and hasn't said it since

[@lukemarks3281]

What about the time he said always play f5

[@incredulouschordate]

@@lukemarks3281 always say "always play f5 -- ben finegold" -- ben finegold

[@nicolas5583]

@@incredulouschordate that was harry coarsesilver.

[@Graceclaw]

Funny, had a guy play both the real and delayed Latvian against me last night OTB. Won both games, but the first one was mostly me stumbling around blindly. Intuitively played d4 against the delayed though, so I'm proud of my intuition :)

[@benjaminanderson6856]

I was a 3700 rated bullet player but one day I played f5 by mistake, a simple misclick, worst mistake of my life I've been a 900 ever since :(

[@pavlos712]

Common for many players. Keep up the fight

[@yessirBR]

Lucky, made the same mistake and now I'm rated 100

[@robertgelblum5154]

As always, thank you very much, Danya, for your wonderful videos!

[@nephandi2316]

This game is one of these I'm gonna have to watch and rewatch and rewatch again. I'm completely tilted when my opponent plays opening nonsense and I happen to lose most games without playing if my opponent is not checkmated after 10 moves...

[@dlucas2331]

Damiano refuted this opening in the 1500s and people still play it to this day ...

[@georgeartola6887]

More speedruns please sensei, we all love it

[@louiswinters2265]

11:19 THIS PAWN IS UNATTACKABLE!!!!!

[@MajorAddiction]

Amazing instruction, may be your best speedrun video.

[@Noko099]

I don't know why I find it so funny whenever Danya says "Russian school boy" 😅

[@thijsbeentjes4008]

It's never play f3/f6. Don't think he's said anything about f5 (except knife f5 ofc)

[@wunknownbeatbox7980]

39:55 another interesting detail is qh4 doesn't work for black even though it looks like it might. Qe2 is brilliant, saccing the knight on d4 could lead to mate in 2, or even prettier... bd3 still saccing the knight on d4 but Bg5 and the queen is trapped!

[@shanastroskyphazer8172]

Superb chess lesson thanks !

[@Kyle-ys3cv]

That Damiano story is hilarious.

[@jonnywhite952]

the thumbnail is so so goated

[@AquaticSkipper]

Damn I need to study my Ben Finegold lore, I thought its just never play f6/f3 Great vid

[@lehmamoo2627]

3:15 This opening looks like a reversed Vienna gambit if black plays 3. -d5 in the main line Vienna gambit.

[@Al-gv5uw]

The most beautiful sacrifice is giving back material for a completely winning position

[@maniblondelly]

Really did demonstrate blasting open the centre. I usually try to develop my pieces first and often by then it's too late to get a decisive attack. Have to say I'm a tad disappointed that I started learning first the Kings indian which you then switched to the granted and the vienna which you've only managed to play once heh. I know the vienna is less effective at this level but that would be just as helpful as then we could go despertar in theory and see what to do if your opponent plays all the right moved which my opponents do sometimes at 1700. Hope that didn't sound whiny I can't appreciate enough all that you do. I went to a chess club for the first time since my school days, placed against literal children and lost two and drew one so I feel like I got a real adultos chess otb experience all thanks to you and Eric rosen T.T Heheh thanks danya you rock never stop!

[@maniblondelly]

Grunfeld not granted* Ps only dodnt make a food of myself completely because I played the accelerated dragon in every game thanks to you. The gm teacher then corrected some of my continuations against bd3 and told me to start pushing my queenside pawns instead of my central ones.

[@DoobooDomo]

On my second or third watchthrough: 48:22 achsually, d1 is protected by the Queen (which I only noticed because Danya pointed out that e8 was covered by the Queen earlier)

[@lovepiecozitsawesome]

I love your historical anecdotes, that's my shit.

[@Updog89]

I loved learning that holy man of the cloth Ruy Lopez was actually a petty troll. Something tells me he would’ve been an Anarchy Chess fan 😂.

[@desmundreid3368]

This was a great bread down and an amazing level of tactics! It all started with D4!

[@uefets]

Nooooo still no Vienna 😭 Still a great video though!

[@jamesduggan7200]

That was the story of the guy who had a few too many drinks and decided it would be a good idea to pick a fight with the guy enjoying the big game on tv.

[@GeorgeAlexanderOz]

"Never play f6" is the right quote.

[@esmaeilrostami955]

Thank you

[@robertmauersberger953]

once in my early chess days, i wanted to surprise my opponent on move two, after e4e5 nf3. i played f5, i didnt know it exist, but it makes sense from the perspektive, that it challenged the center. I won that game and since then it is my beloved opening, and i give the move f5 a double exclamation mark :D

[@bartvankeersop8218]

Daniel do you have a video somewhere where you explain why you recommend the grunfeld to beginners/intermediate players? I was looking at lines in the exchange variation, but it seems quite difficult for black to deal with white’s huge center. Objectively it might be equal, but as a beginner/intermediate player it seems quite difficult to deal with.

[@bartvankeersop8218]

Love the vids btw :). I really like the explanations you give and your thought process.

[@Taycatte]

He talks about it a little bit at the beginning of this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6usZ6R_Yphmlbc Daniel places more value on learning theory than other chess personalities like Hikaru/Levy. They think it's more important to improve other aspects of your play before getting into dense openings, but he thinks intermediate players shouldn't shy away from it.

[@utuba3510]

I play the Vienna at 2000+ rating and win 60% of the games. Yet to play one person who knows the theory past about four or five moves

[@ziyad7600]

Historical chess stories would be nice

[@rainabasso6537]

I love danya the chess historian! Would love to see more!

[@skwasigr]

Is 20:00 after B3 not Qe4+ with capture the rook a risk worth taking for black.

[@Yeeshuah]

Danya, thanks for the video! So good, but wanted to get your recommendation on refuting the Latvian Gambit(e4 e5, Nf3 f5?). Do you recommend Nxe5 like you sort of hint to or would you suggest d4 like you played in the game? Thanks again for this great content.

[@pavlenikacevic4976]

Stockfish thinks white is much better after 3. Nxe5 3. d4 is much less clear

[@Chesssnake]

You know that gambit went wrong when your most active piece is king

[@PJBoyYT]

Please please please do something about the volume of these videos, I have to turn up everything to the max to hear Danya. Whenever I'm finished with the video and I go back to playing music or a game or whatever, it's like I end up waking the whole street >_

[@benoist13]

And what about 1) e4 e5 2) Bc4 f5!? Calabrese Gambit ? Very nicely studied in J. Tait "disreputable opening repertoire" !!

[@ilyassilyass4469]

Wasn't it f6?

[@WhiterockFTP]

and f3

[@ThePalmWoods]

Yeah. Ben Finegold absolutely adores f5 though

[@prplt]

still waiting for the Rousseau gambit refutation video 😬

[@craigdurran6087]

F5 on the third move is ok in some systems (Ruy Lopez and Ponziani) but not others (Italian, Scotch, Four Knights).

[@prplt]

it's ok against the Italian and 2 knights as well (in fact against the Italian f5 has the highest win rate), the opponent just captured the wrong pawn after d4 (the best is to play fe and then if white finds Nxe5 (because most people play the incorrect Nxe4) you play Bb4)😂

[@qxqxq]

Vienna is fine at higher levels if you don't go for the immediate f4. Bc4, d3 and then f4 if black allows.

[@johnbaker3037]

Vienna gambit is fine at every level. Lots of grandmasters have played it, its just equal

[@qxqxq]

@@johnbaker3037 yeah, I agree.

[@jeffrepac8197]

Just remember that 3. Bc4 can be met with ...Nxe4 because after 4. Nxe4?!, d5 Black forks the minor pieces and equalizes. It's still playable but the move is 4. Qh5! leading to the amazingly named Frankenstein-Dracula variation

[@qxqxq]

@@jeffrepac8197 yes, I play this! I love this line. I look forward to Nxe4 from black

[@smr7948]

why can‘t i remember aaanny vienna games 😭 i def need some

[@iamtheteapot7405]

23:30 what about Ne4 in this position? Does this move work?

[@tausbregnhj-olesen751]

How about the F5 opening called ‘the Rosseau’? Italian and then F5. I am curious to know as I’ve played it a lot and pretty successfully in the 1200 rating range. Is it refuted?

[@sadaasdda2252]

He says it at the end.

[@tausbregnhj-olesen751]

@@sadaasdda2252 Ahh sorry, nevermind then! And thanks

[@alexf0101]

schliemann/jaenisch is a lot of fun

[@MeleAndrea94]

As black what do you recommend for beginners?

[@csigazsiga1]

I can't find the vienna games, could someone please help me?

[@WhiterockFTP]

you once said in one of your videos that the grünfeld is too theoretical too advanced for beginners below 2000, why do you recommend it in this speedrun?

[@XYZ-zn6qz]

Pretty sure this speedrun is specifically about playing more complicated theoretical openings. It‘s not necessarily meant for beginners

[@csugabo85]

He addresses this in detail in a recent video in the very beginning of the video too

[@atamuratkalkan3140]

wise

[@phosferrax]

Respect to this man for playing the Latvian Gambit. It is hot trash.

[@mickeyleboeuf4954]

Daniel "GM Daniel Naroditsky" Naroditsky

[@yessir6427]

wow

[@Sun-gs6hq]

39:13

[@DanielWillen]

Only a historian refers to G8 square as the promised land

[@lazizjonraxmatov2159]

King is the most active piece 😂😂

[@Supess]

👍

[@MyGeniusLeads]

Can you please make sure to load with quality of video. I've started to notice some of your videos are not being loaded correctly and are blurry because we can't watch them with 1080 and not even 720 or 360 lol. Keep up the great content and you will have 1 of the largest chess followings if not the biggest!!!

[@twelveclouds292]

🎉🎉🎉

[@lennarddekeukeleire3055]

You should try to win a game playing the Damiano

[@Heroball299]

Opponent played f5 quickly but then he has to think about his reply to thematic d5 move? Shouldn't he already know what his next move will be?

[@Arthas30000]

He was probably remembering it. It's surprising how many people don't respond with the thematic move - as a Vienna gambit player at ~1600, I rarely face d5 so it takes me a moment to recall theory

[@pierroulechou]

*speed* run ? :D

[@MuhammadIqbal-dp2es]

Damiano should meet Ben Finegold😂😂

[@Logicerr0r]

15:36 doesn't the move queen e5 win immediately? if he tries to protect with the other queen you take with the bishop queen goes back

[@thesecondderivative8967]

The queen cannot get to e6.

[@Robin-wm9wy]

Qe6 would be an illegal move

[@turtle_fps]

^brain damaged individual

[@Chat2Conaz]

Dude should have resigned by move 6-7..... that was appalling.

[@michaelwhinnery164]

I'm thinking that was a mouse slip. 1800 rated player knows better.

[@antimatter2417]

Don't overestimate 1800s

[@benjamincagle7705]

Is that publix peach tea he was drinking 🧐

[@thetransferaccount4586]

another game x2

[@walterbrownstone8017]

He says never play f6.

[@DanielNaroditskyGM]

That's the point :)

[@pianochess1882]

@@DanielNaroditskyGM i don’t get the point, why misquote?

[@LoreTunderin]

I predict this video will be 50 minutes and 14 seconds long

[@ProEray]

Nah it is 13 seconds

[@ProEray]

Not even close

[@robdubent]

You’re off by a second. You’re no Ms Cleo

[@LoreTunderin]

Ah, it was updated after the upload. It showed 14 seconds after the premier.

[@abramisme]

That is. Nice development advantage that white developed lol

[@stunningstranger...1835]

One of the worst game played by both on the channel

[@ultrainstinctshaggy669]

Heh

[@Merluch]

"don't play the latvian" better yet, don't play a super grandmaster rated 1200 ELO higher than you. That's the big thing

[@starpolemic]

Appreciated this informative speedrun episode! As someone who occasionally pushes f5 early as Black (mostly in blitz or bullet), it's a bit heartbreaking to see it refuted so easily, but I guess that's just how it is 🥲