FISH BAIT Ballistic Gel and WHY NO TARP!?! Are we idiots?

I hate dealing with ballistic gel and I imagine this is the general consensus of anyone who has used it and recast it. Because SO many people are really bothered each time the gel block lands in the dirt and suggest putting a tarp down, I felt it was easier to address that than reply to hundreds of commenters who thought they were the first people to ever suggest using a tarp. Next, I also offer a helpful tip for removing the gel from a mold. Finally I discuss the use of Plastisol as a ballistic medium.
Now, are we idiots? The jury is still out on that one.
To learn more about Plastisol:
baitplastics.com/

[@Vares65]

I think you can keep the plastisol from getting yellow by just putting a tarp down while you're casting it.

[@taofledermaus]

love it!! lol

[@inthefade]

It'll be more translucent with a laser sight, that's for sure.

[@christopherbishop4927]

LOL

[@john-paulsilke893]

Just keep OG away from it. He’s clearly doing something to it that involves wiggling in the hole. Also his old band was called Wiggling In The Hole.

[@frankrizzo890]

Came here to make a smartass comment about using a tarp, read yours, and I'm leaving satisfied. I have nothing to add. 😀

[@scottmarshall6766]

It's a heck of a cost savings if you can work out the issues. Rigid 'clear' PVC (available in sheets or as pipe) has a bluish-violet tinge to it. I'd bet the yellowish color of your sample is from the massive amounts of plasticizer required to turn it into a gel. Di-octal Phalate is the most common plasticizer, but it's a clear oily fluid in it's natural state (and stinks to high heaven). I'm thinking it's what's reacting to the heat, not the PVC base. I would expect you'll see it the material darken and become stiffer as you recycle it. You also may also have problems getting the pieces to fuse and become homogenous after a heat cycle or 2. Hope the info helps a bit, I'll be watching your progress, maybe Someday we'll have "Tao Gel" and you will revolutionize the market....

[@taofledermaus]

I think you are correct. If you pour a little of this on cardboard the oily base will soak into the cardboard and leave a little puddle of the PVC on the surface. And yes, recasting this will be interesting. I might have to turn it into new gummy bears, which would actually look nice yellow.

[@jon-paultaylor]

@@taofledermaus if you didn't have to cast so much I think you would get a different result microwaving it I feel,I know nothing about shooting, just love the channel you guys have made,but I used to recycle my old lures in the microwave and it always had a bleaching effect on the colour...

[@mroconsultingandsupport4776]

If Iremember correctly OG had a band named DI-octal phalate back in the 90’s

[@DrHarryT]

@@jon-paultaylor I don't know if a microwave would work because they attack water and fat/oils. [vegetable/animal] I've never tried putting petroleum [crude oil] based products into a microwave. Edit: Never run a microwave without anything the waves will attack in it, such as empty plate/bowl or completely empty. This WILL ruin the microwave. It was just two weeks ago I accidently started the microwave with nothing in it on high for 10 min and had to buy a new one. [I had staged potatoes in a container in it, my daughter came along pulled it out to cook something for herself and didn't put the potatoes back when she was done. Unbeknownst to me, I came back thinking the potatoes were still in there and just started the microwave.]

[@jon-paultaylor]

@@DrHarryT all can comment on is what I've done and I used to recast lures in the microwave, maybe it's a different plastic but I don't think so....he's casting to much to do it that way anyway

[@kilojeromesmith4488]

Not me guys. You give us outstanding content. Some folks just can’t stand to just sit back and enjoy you and OG having fun. Love you guys. 😎❤️🇺🇸

[@taofledermaus]

Thank you!

[@afterthought3341]

Yeh haw grandpa !

[@peabow1031]

People are just trying to help buddy there not trying to stop the content creators from having fun.

[@It-b-Blair]

😂😂😂 “I just came to correct your statement that people like to correct, because I don’t” 🤪😂😂🤦‍♂️

[@JohnLeePettimoreIII]

@@taofledermaus i was just now thinking that perhaps a small hole at the bottom of the casting mold, with a little silicone plug may be helpful in removing the solidified block. pop out the plug and that should allow air to get under it while lifting out. this would (hypothetically) make it easier to remove from the mold. you could try this out with an old loaf pan first to see if it would actually work, or if i am thinking about this in a weird way and instead, it would not work.

[@Vares65]

All joking aside, I really am interested in seeing how the plastisol does against the slugs. The pellet test looks really promising.

[@ninj4face]

Yeah, I like your thinking… I was wondering if it will hold up after the massive displacement that’s caused … like it will it go back true to form… will it start to break down and crumble…

[@Vares65]

@@ninj4face One thing is for sure: it's gonna be fun finding out!

[@leppeppel]

I love these behind-the-scenes garage science results! Have a support comment.

[@taofledermaus]

thanks Russ

[@JunkyardBashSteve]

It instantly takes me back the the old mercury videos! Gosh I haven't thought about those in years

[@ksgt69]

I don't see the yellow as a problem, as long as it can be clarified. The real question is how many times can it be melted down and reused? Will it get cloudier? Is there a way to chemically clarify it that is economical and safe for home use? The small scale test looks promising, though I'm looking forward to full scale testing of its viability as a ballistic medium.

[@pacman10182]

replace some of the water with hydrogen peroxide

[@scrappydoo7887]

@@pacman10182 I thought about an oxidizing agent but the issue becomes the heating of it. Hydro carbons and peroxide tend to really like catching fire

[@pacman10182]

@@scrappydoo7887 it's not pure peroxide tatv has a video on it "Home-Made Ballistic Gel Additives"

[@scrappydoo7887]

@@pacman10182 I get that it's not pure. It's probably 12% but that's still enough to alter molecular structure and be dicey as far as fires go. It's evidently not that big of an issue though

[@JJJJspam]

oil your mold with form oil

[@mikemissildine370]

thank you for teaching us something new every episode. i greatly appreciate and enjoy your work. may the Lord bless y'all every day

[@taofledermaus]

thank you for the kind words Mike

[@jonenglish6617]

I think it looks just fine in yellow. At 50% of the cost it seems like a no brainer.

[@lancecluster]

Neat. A leader in using high speed cameras, testing slugs, now leading the way to better ballistic gel. I kind of wonder what OG would mold that into?

[@randybrewman9661]

A wiggly finger XD

[@Mister_Belvidere]

He's headed down to the erotic cake shop for inspiration.

[@KiithnarasAshaa]

Justin Bieber probably

[@eastcoastlithics1398]

Love what this channel does and how chill they all are

[@baen1466]

Like reacting to comments more than any channel out there, yep.

[@gvii]

That's really interesting, and very cool of them to work with you. I'm sure the possibility of a whole new market opening up for their product helps as well, and hopefully they can get into it. That's a heck of a price break over the traditional stuff. I know some people will complain, but I personally couldn't care less if it's off-color. It's a bit of a bummer when the gel starts going opaque, but it's not like I'm going to complain. I realize you're paying for the stuff out of pocket and 140 bucks isn't exactly chump change. Well, except maybe at the gas pump, but that's a whole other topic. Hopefully it works out for you. It'll be even better if its able to hold off from going opaque like the gel, or at least hold off longer.

[@taofledermaus]

I don't think Bait Plastics took me seriously until I suggested this being a new market for them. I like supporting small businesses who actually care if their business prospers or not. When dealing with big businesses, the person in charge of public relations or product development doesn't care... they get their check if the company does good or bad and would probably just ignore my inquiries.

[@72polara]

@@taofledermaus A company is smart to listen when someone tells them they can sell to a whole new market with little change to their product. It's low risk, high reward.

[@MrHuggaga]

yeah, and the off-color might even be fixed if they can tune their formula or jeff can tune the process. very exciting ;D

[@chironchangnoi]

@@taofledermaus "does good or bad" vs "does well or poorly" are two entirely different genres of statement. If you don't care whether a company you buy from "does good or bad" then you're implicitly condoning them doing Bad. By buying from them. Instead of bye bye. OTOH if you don't care whether a company does well or poorly you just dgaf. I guess either way you are making a political statement about what you care about and what you don't care about.

[@AllNighterHeider]

For those of us that actually want to learn this was a great video, thank you very much gents.

[@taofledermaus]

thank you!

[@kj3n569]

"It's a tarp!" Admiral Akbar Some people will never be happy, if you got a tarp it wouldn't be the right size, or it's the wrong color, etc. I do think, however, that the Saran Wrap trick from the other video, where you can see through it better, is worth trying.

[@eddiejennejr4342]

Well with all the craziness happening in the world I needed something to watch that was going to either give me a good laugh or some good entertainment. Thank you guys

[@dingusbingus8554]

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[@appv12]

1:10 dont spray the water from left to right. Spray it from right to left, its more efficient.

[@taofledermaus]

But I'm left handed.

[@CrinosAD]

@@taofledermaus You need to move down under the equator then, all lefties are more efficient "down there" At least if you want to listen to PhD Internet Trolls. :)

[@Tyrfingr]

Also i hear running in circles around the table backwards, and at the same time sprying the gel, is supposed to be more efficient.

[@formdoggie5]

@@taofledermaus sounds like you may need to perform your tests in Australia, then, in order to really see the full effect.

[@FoulPet]

@formdoggie5 pretty sure he doesn't want his guns cut in half.

[@smolwavingsnail9028]

props to bait plastics for not only taking the time to respond but also for taking on board what you said and considering branching out. always nice when companies work with you instead of being completely money driven and unwilling to try new things

[@macpatten9249]

Love seeing the exploration of alternatives. Real science, here. Cost/Stability vs Fumes/Yellow tinge. It looks like a fairly decent alternative. Keep up the good work, sir 🤘

[@AtomicShrimp]

I feel your pain. If you don't mention a thing, people tell you that you're an idiot for forgetting it. If you do mention the thing, different people tell you you're an idiot for continually going on about it when they already knew it.

[@erict3728]

i hope Danny's contributions to the channel continue forever. I'm extremely thankful for his huge lead casting

[@garmancathotmailcom]

I think that the yellowing isn't a very big issue, so long as it doesn't get so bad that the gel is no longer see through.

[@taofledermaus]

I figured if it gets worse after re-melting this stuff, it would still work great for the ballistic gel gummis.

[@darkfur18]

@@taofledermaus try recasting a small sample a dozen times to see how it degrades

[@Mitchell_is_smart._You2bs_dumb]

@@taofledermaus I put a little bleach in, it can take some of the yellow out. Well on gelatin gel at least

[@jefferymekinda14]

Informative, interesting, and very well put together. Thanks for your videos Jeff. Still pretty jazzed I got to meet and hang out with you and Greg. Bonus being able to participate in a couple videos. Looks like you are on the right track with the Plastisol. If you get it figured out for the manufacturer, I hope they throw in some complimentary Plastisol for your research and development. Take care fellas, until next time.

[@taofledermaus]

I had to sneak you into at least one more video! lol thanks again for the table and sun shade!

[@BattleshipSailorBB63]

Dude! What an interesting development. Clear Ballistics gel already isn't an exact stand-in for the FBI gel.....repeatability is your goal. If this new stuff makes your job easier and/or cheaper, seems like a winner to me.

[@taofledermaus]

It would be one thing if a block of Clear Ballistic was pristine out of the box. It's usually wrinkled like a prune from the plastic wrap and takes about an hour with a heat gun to sort of smooth it out. One block was so bad I had to recast it right from the box.

[@timcarter1164]

Great video. More like this needs to happen. Also, have you considered shooting a tarp and putting ballistics gel on the ground?

[@taofledermaus]

lol dang it

[@richarddixon7276]

Nice one Jeff , as the saying go's "Nothing ventured nothing gained " . Fingers crossed & with a bit of luck shooters might see a different commercially available medium to test ballistic effects on , and with two producers of similar products there is a good chance prices might start to drop , all thanks to TFM viewers for suggesting it & TFM for being adventurous enough to test it as a ballistic testing material . As for it being a yellow tinge that's not really a problem ,it's still plenty transparent enough to be able to see wound channels & expansion & segmentation as it occurs , so You'll not have any complaints from Me or I suspect 99%+ of Your viewers . This is simply a different medium being tested , I love the fact that You used an air rifle for that first test shots and comparison , it would be interesting too know hat velocity that air pellet was travelling at & the weight I could see You doing a short group of episodes retesting several more common projectiles , like Foster Slugs or 00 buck shot , and perhaps some of the other Not So Unobtainable exotica round such as the wired lead balls , Yes it repetition of already proven results but in a different Medium , so there valid tests in its own right . Interesting as always , Thanks Shoot Straight Stay Safe & Stay Well.

[@taofledermaus]

thanks Richard

[@life_of_riley88]

Yeah plastisol reeks when you melt it. It's REALLY bad when you re-melt a bunch of bass fishing baits with their added "scent attractants" 🥴 but hey, it does save some $$$ Also you SHOULD be able to get plastisol very clear, as I've seen crystal clear bass baits.

[@taofledermaus]

Every video I've seen of folks making baits, the use a microwave oven so it has a very short heating cycle. They are also heating small batches, something like 6 oz of the stuff. I can't put a giant metal mold in the microwave. They do have other formulas and maybe with the heat stabilizer we can figure out how to get a clearer block. It's just a matter of trial and error now.

[@h3yw00d]

@@taofledermaus I wonder if you could do a muffin tin method where you heat a bunch of small batches in muffin tins at the same time then cast them into a pre-heated large mold sitting in the oven.

[@dashingdave2665]

Get a few pots and microwaves then mix them together into Danny's mold!

[@life_of_riley88]

@@taofledermausI think you're on the right track! Also when this stuff is heated in massive batches by huge bait companies, I believe it's under pressure as it's forced into mold cavities. The interaction with oxygen may have something to do with it as well. Heat stabilizer should help as well.

[@Riceball01]

@@taofledermaus Maybe you could buy or make a silicon mold. That might allow you to cast the plastisol in a microwave with no problems. And since all you're casting is a block, it should be easy enough to make the mold by either dumping silicon over a gel or plastisol block or a block of wood of the same size, I know that hobbyists that make prop replicas will often make a form for pouring a mold by using Lego to form a box around what they're trying to pull a mold off of.

[@traviscecil3903]

I'll have you know I have a tarp under my computer every single time I watch a Taofledermaus video.

[@taofledermaus]

lol

[@stevennewman4778]

The yellow block reminds me of yellow shooting glasses that block out uv rays. I like it and the pellet was quite visible.

[@taofledermaus]

I'd probably earn a "C" on the first casting but you should have seen my first recasting of the clear gel!

[@intellectualiconoclasm3264]

I can't wait to see how it behaves when shot with something more substantial. I hope it's great ad a medium and has super high reusability. In any event, this is how you innovate!

[@taofledermaus]

We will see soon!

[@oddis188]

This kind of extra content is really welcome. I really love to see the behind the scenes material and all the stuff that goes into doing your work👌

[@taofledermaus]

thank you

[@supergeek1418]

You should have used a rifled mold. Rifling makes *EVERYTHING* better!

[@taofledermaus]

someone is paying attention!

[@crankygunreviews]

The opening is the best making people cringe throwing dirt on a brand new ballistic block! You guys are awesome I will always keep watching your channel

[@taofledermaus]

Thanks! Had to show that surface dirt just washes off.

[@crankygunreviews]

@@taofledermaus well, if anyone paid attention to the like 100 videos you posted with gel, they’d know that already

[@bminturn]

I'm glad that I'm not the only one who asked the question about the tarp.

[@TheOriginalCoolDad]

While I was kind of sad that there was almost no 'mass acceleration' in the video, I was also highly satisfied with the science it contained. LOL, nothing wrong with finding fiscally responsible alternatives!!

[@taofledermaus]

With this heat wave, filming in 100 deg heat is sort of a bad idea. lol

[@TheOriginalCoolDad]

@@taofledermaus Totally fair point, and to be quite frank, I still enjoy this content from you very much! Considering the current environment, I'm glad you are still here. Even if it is in CA..... LOL

[@dyrtymike5589]

I've been with you guys a while now, that being said I really like this video. I always wondered what yall had to go thru for that gel. Never knew I could make my own. Thanks guys!!

[@taofledermaus]

It's such a pain to work with!

[@keithbrown2458]

I absolutely love all of your stuff we are in the community also miss Danny. Once in a wile you mentioned him, God bless him and his family, Thank you for all your wonderful videos

[@bigfuzzy84]

That's amazing, changing the game for the ballistics gel market and giving a company another outlet for their product while helping progress the firearms community all in one

[@taofledermaus]

I hope others will try this, maybe give me some feedback on what works and what doesn't. It's hard doing this on my own!

[@Blacktronics]

Never recast ballistics gel, but when we were working with cast silicone we did not have the option to slide anything thicker than a knife blade between the walls and the silicone, since the silicone was too stiff. The solution we came up with, was designing the mold to have a plug(in some instances a few) on the opposing side that we could just open up and push compressed air in, the part just popped right out.

[@lindboknifeandtool]

Exactly my though glad I’m not a dumbo

[@codeack101wlck]

If they can get the price to about $60 a pre made block I can see them selling like crazy, either I need to find the time to make a business around this or someone better beat me to it

[@taofledermaus]

Maybe if you bought it in bulk you'd get the price down a bit. But it still takes a lot of time to cast a block.

[@skrimper]

even 80-90 a block would be a steal

[@bearbarre6435]

Wow! The copper wire idea for conducting heat into the center of the mold is ingenious! I would not have thought of that. Great stuff. Not only a Professor of Powder and Shot, but a physicist, too.

[@muleteam66]

Nice instructional video . I still love these after being on yt for 15 years and I think you where one of the first I subbed to . 🍻✌️

[@taofledermaus]

thank you!!!

[@johnkilcer]

That's pretty cool. Look forward to more testing in the future.

[@RichardCranium321]

Have you ever tried compressed air to remove the block? The soap method seems to work nice, but I've seen people use compressed air to separate alligator hide from the body without damaging it, so I think it'd be cool to see if it works for removing blocks from molds

[@taofledermaus]

I have seen people do that with these blocks and it works well. I just wanted to show an alternative to those who don't own a compressor. Plus this might be faster than it takes to charge up my compressor.

[@RichardCranium321]

@@taofledermaus you right about that one, itcwas definitely quick, and probably cheaper once you consider cost of electricity needed...

[@Nozzred]

Does that work on deer to?

[@RichardCranium321]

@@Nozzred before gutting but while hung, create your rings around the shanks on the back legs and then go to one of the front leg, insert your air nozzle enough that you have some area to hold skin tight against nozzle to create a seal. use a variable flow valve so you dont over-do it but you get adequate flow... if it works 4gators itll work 4deer

[@colemanmoore9871]

@@Nozzred Yes, I have seen this method used to skin deer. Also - It works on people. Somewhat common accident for people that work with compressed air. I have heard it is quite painful.

[@guardianminifarm8005]

Great idea. Appreciate the time, energy & resources invested for the channel. Good information. Thank you

[@taofledermaus]

thanks!

[@R.U.serious]

Interesting video. Great to see you experimenting and researching. You obviously care about giving us the best videos possible. I will keep watching as long as you keep shooting.

[@taofledermaus]

thank you!!

[@terryqueen3233]

Well that was definitely interesting, thank you for the video.

[@taofledermaus]

thanks Terry

[@JimGriffOne]

Have you tried compressed air to "blow" the gel out of the box? Might be worth trying it if you haven't done already. Although, if soap lube works then you may as well keep on using it. :)

[@taofledermaus]

I've seen it done and that works ok. I just wanted to show a simple alternative for those who don't own a compressor.

[@adamhuckfeldt2895]

Love it. Please keep us informed on this process. I've tried to make my own ballistics gel and it was a spectacular disaster, but at least it was spectacular. I welcome any and all help and this bait plastic stuff just might be the trick.

[@anameofsomesort959]

Danny still providing us content in a way. God Bless him. RIP.

[@hiddentruth1982]

I've never cast ballistic gel so I'm asking out of curiosity but would coating the mold with pam or something clear help getting it out eaiser?

[@taofledermaus]

I have tried using CRC Lecithin mold release and it didn't help much. The soap works really well.

[@EROCK1966]

Have you tried spraying the mold with some cooking spray pam or something comparable?? It probably keep it from sticking

[@taofledermaus]

Yes, Lecithin mold release but it was still a struggle to remove from the mold.

[@oneknight55]

Thank you Jeff. Who knew this would be an interesting topic for a video, but it was very interesting. Thank you for brining us "behind the scenes". Hello from Florida.

[@taofledermaus]

thanks Gary

[@heyarno]

I'm glad I suggested washing the block instead of ranting about a tarp.

[@billtheunjust]

Would something like an oil bath in the roasting pan help with heat transfer and make it easier to melt the plastisol?

[@taofledermaus]

That might help, but would need a few gallons of it but it might smoke and cause contamination.

[@AlienLivesMatter]

@@taofledermaus water bath perhaps? Steam vapour patterns might be cleared up with heat gun. Thanks for the content. I'd like to see spark plug ceramic fired through some material. It has a piercing effect on automotive glass

[@skrimper]

​​@@AlienLivesMatter ain't that the truth lol. that stuff is seriously potent at killing glass.. obviously wouldn't translate too well against soft material but I bet it would still do some big damage

[@markfergerson2145]

@@AlienLivesMatter There's oil and there's oil. Cooking oils exist that don't smoke at 350F but they tend to be spendy. Motor oil won't smoke at that temp, and then there's quenching oils used by blacksmiths.

[@billtheunjust]

@@AlienLivesMatter he said it needed to get to 350°. If he used water he would not be able to heat it past water's boiling point of 212°. Another option if he were to continue using the plastisol would be to see if someone had an oven they were getting rid of.

[@MoldyStir-Fry]

Legitimate question... Would a silicone mold be easier to work with or would it be too floppy?

[@skrimper]

of course it wouldn't be too floppy, you could easily reinforce it with wood supports and it'd be totally fine

[@taofledermaus]

Probably, but not sure if it would cost less or conduct heat as well and all that. A metal mold is what everyone uses.

[@lukearcher886]

Another great video. Very Informative and to the point. Your humility and honesty show through on every video, you guys seem like old shooting buddies. Thanks Jeff

[@taofledermaus]

thanks Luke!

[@Burbsi]

pretty awesome that you still have the dedication to improve various aspects of your videos while reading the thousands of _tArP_ comments just to find potentially good ones like this fish bait gel. Thank you! Just to underline my point this channels oldest video is now *14 years old*

[@DriveBetter]

I know Danny welded the mold but can you make it more trapezoidal so the finished block is easier to drop out when it’s done?

[@TractorWrangler01]

You're reading my mind. I was also wondering if making it that trapezoidal shape would effect the ballistic response of the gel.

[@taofledermaus]

I honestly thought the process I showed, made it look pretty easy to remove.

[@TractorWrangler01]

@@taofledermaus The trapezoidal shape may allow it to fall right out. Not trying to tell ya what to do just explaining the theory.

[@samuelb6960]

What if you melt down some tarps and cast them into a block.

[@taofledermaus]

lol

[@Ryan_the_dawg]

Man those guys at "bait plastics" will love you's for this, I'm not surprised they are trying to devise a special product designed for shooters, imagine the potential for business! It's cheaper than ballistic gel and the colour isn't perfect but who cares about the colour as long as the clarity is good enough to see the wound channel through it, and I know that smell of cutting pvc with a mitre saw I have done it many times as a chippy in my life and it's not a good smell but that can be overcome as Jeff did by doing it outdoors where the fumed can escape harmlessly, it seems like win win to me really.

[@josuelservin]

Looking forward to the full test of the new block, and whatever your and the chemist can come up with, that sounds exciting!

[@robertculpepper1508]

How about compressed air to remove it

[@skrimper]

that's a great idea

[@skrimper]

an air nozzle lubed up with some soap

[@taofledermaus]

I have seen people do that, but never tried it.

[@charleshenshaw9099]

How did you get the wires out of the Plastisol without damaging it?? Also Karen's are everywhere, trying to tell people what they should and shouldn't do. It's best to just ignore them. 👍

[@taofledermaus]

I should have touched on that. You can just lift the wires out without leaving bubbles. I also use the wires when recasting the CLear Ballistic gel which cuts down on the cooking time.

[@UnfitToLive]

Nice to hear the bait company seemed pretty helpful with this. Be cool to have an update if they do look in to branching out also!

[@HereticalKitsune]

Lube your block thoroughly, make it nice and slippery! And awesome work from the fish bait company for being so open and helpful! That's super cool. (and might give them some new customers, so it's a win-win.)

[@keithlincoln1309]

I've always thought, that I'm just watching this on my phone... why would I tell you how to do your job. Keep up the great videos!

[@ItekTackle]

The People who comment on the Tarp are probably also the same ones who insist that rifling makes everything better. Thanks to You, OG, and the legend of Danny which still is with us as shown in the molds, Lead Plate, and all the other nuggets of wisdom he left behind. Ya'll rock!

[@taofledermaus]

thank you

[@ItekTackle]

@@taofledermaus Thank you and OG and all of your visitors. You have the most ethical and entertaining channel and still keep it fresh after all these years. I am so proud of you making it through the rough times with YT and still putting out a very high quality product even though guns may not always be the easiest topic to discuss after some unfortunate events. Thanks for all you do. As a lifelong hunter, shooting enthusiast, and ballistics guy, I still learn something every time I watch. :)

[@nuclearmedicineman6270]

If I had a dollar for every time I've said "damned, why didn't I bring a tarp", I'd have.. well, enough to buy a really nice tarp for sure. Which I would then forget to put in the car, and the next time I had to roll in the dirt I'd just say it again, and soon I'd have two tarps, which I would forget to bring with me.. it's a vicious circle.

[@OneIroNauT_1]

Great Video Jeff. Thanks for putting in all that hard work and time to try something new and then pass it along to the rest of us. I can't wait for more Comparison videos in the future to test its overall durability and strength. Also to see if it truly is as equal in results as the pellet test would have us believe. The true test will be in those large Wound Cavities and how well the Plastisol rebounds i imagine. I dont mind the color at all. Your not filming the best parts with some cell phone or toy camera. 99 percent of the video from the Kronos is more then adequate and usually perfect. Hope you and your family and OG and his and every other member of Your Taoflederfamily are doing well and experiencing the best life has to offer.

[@jacktheaviator4938]

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I have been working on some lathe turned precision hollowpoints. And need 4 or 5 blocks for every test session. This will definitely save me some serious cash, at less than half the cost.

[@NightSkyGuy]

So gratified to see the company is from my home state!

[@joshslotter2606]

That is brilliant! When you do perfect the process which I am sure you will, please let everyone know how. Again, something that I am sure you would. This looks like something that people who love seeing ballistic jell being shot could do but can’t justify spending so much on ballistic jell currently. Something that you might try is creating your own oven using a controller and vaping wire. I have seen it done for heat treating knives. But that would probably be way overkill for your needs. Awesome stuff! Thank you for all the time and dedication you and your team (family and friends) put into your videos!

[@taofledermaus]

It order for people to try it the process has to be simple - and cheap. The roaster pan is pretty cheap if you can find them in stock. It's entirely possible my first attempt was full of errors I did. Too hot, didn't stir enough, maybe cover the melting gel to reduce oxidation...

[@TheGeekiestGuy]

Right on. I'm catching another episode early. Thanks guys. Hope you're having a good one. 🤙🏾

[@taofledermaus]

thank you!!

[@samhaines8228]

I have been curious about the ballistics gel, so thanks for the info. best of luck to you and the folks at Plastisol, hope that works out for you!

[@taofledermaus]

thanks Sam

[@heethen112]

She can afford a cooker but not a tarp? Danny is the gift that keeps on giving!

[@taofledermaus]

I had to give her SOME suggestion for a birthday present.

[@michellecullen8911]

Hey guys I remember when I was a kid I use to drill out a 1oz slug, turning it Into a Hollow point. Then I would get some of the gun powder out of another slug. the type of powder that was a greenish colour, and it was an oblong shaped pellet type as well. And with a few drops of acetone in a small container, and mix, until it would turn to a gel blob then I'd half fill the slug with this blob of nitrocellulose. And it was would turn the slug into a sort of round that has a loud report when it hits the target. That would almost cut down a small tree. I never had the chance to see what it would do to a gel block. If it's possible would you be able to make and test these slugs on the gel block. I know it will be so much fun for you guys to see how simple this process is for such an awesome result. I was using a Smooth bore mass accelerator. Also I'd love to see what these would do in some of the slugs designed to open up like petals I suspect that it would be devastating in 1 of those copper petaled slugs. By the way I love your channel and being from Australia. Where they made it nearly impossible to own a gun. I would never have to he chance to do this again. I however could possibly get my dad to buy some shotgun rounds for me to make and send to you to test. But I'm sure you guys would be able to do this yourselves, alot easier than I could. Also once more I love your guys content alot and love it keep up the good work guys. Much love from shelly from ozzyland. 💚💜💚🙃

[@helidude3502]

Bait-listic gel 👍😎 Love seeing innovative alternatives. It’s good to see Danny is still contributing to the videos. 😇 A legacy for sure

[@brodyvickers4497]

Ive been watching this channel for years, after meeting officer gregg and figuring out that these videos are shot in my home town is crazy to me, keep up the great work guys !!

[@taofledermaus]

Are you the guy that he pulled over and told him that you knew who he was? LOL

[@brodyvickers4497]

@@taofledermaus he was my shooting sports instructor for 4-H lol 😆 that would have been funny tho

[@BobGaebler]

Thanks for doing the research. This was interesting and informative. Keep us up to date on what you learn. It might be a worthy alternative medium.

[@taofledermaus]

I do hope I inspire others to try it and post their tips and results. It's tough (and slow) doing it myself

[@1SeanBond]

A excellent view much appreciated! Some of the best content on KZbin & that's a fact! Luv&Peace, Cheers from Sask Canada!

[@taofledermaus]

thanks!

[@form4li7y]

That's a really good sign that the company was open to making a new formula. In an era of automated menus, chat bots, and call centers it seems like less companies are willing to talk to potential new customers and think out of the box they've envisioned for themselves. If they follow through it could create more competition and possible bring prices down.

[@brandondone2888]

Not the "normal" shooting video . . . but like always Informative and wonderfully presented. Thank you for doing this video and taking us all along for the ride.

[@taofledermaus]

It's been too hot this week to shoot in.

[@alexb.1320]

Pretty cool. I was not expecting the pellet test to be that equal, a good sign for what it'll do when hit with bigger rounds.

[@benallen947]

I like that your wife was happy enough to enable your hobbies in an in the shed/garage way could find a solution. Good work excellent explanation.

[@taofledermaus]

The roaster was my birthday present. I guess I should have asked for some cool new rims for my truck huh? lol

[@BatColonyEvictor]

Good stuff and very interesting 👍 Definitely enjoyed this way more than anything else in my feed tonight.

[@taofledermaus]

thank you!

[@knickly]

There's reason to believe that clear ballistic gel is SEBS polymer in mineral oil (aka paraffin oil) that's also used to make transparent gel candles, and is sold by Hobby Lobby and Michaels as gel wax. A gallon is $40 at Hobby Lobby. I don't know if that concentration is appropriate, but another option is to aquire SEBS/kraton powder and make the gel. Could be easy and fun to try shooting the candle "wax", though. Nonetheless, I'm super happy to see Bait Plastics is being so supportive!

[@workingguy6666]

Wow! Really enjoyed this. Thank you for showing us and teaching us.

[@taofledermaus]

thank you!

[@williambell9466]

Another awesome video. Love all the informative stuff you do.

[@taofledermaus]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@Aaron-ts4fr]

This is awesome Jeff. Thank you. I’m going to have to try and make something for the kids target too

[@j.robertsergertson4513]

Jeff you've done AMAZING! your skill with clear gel is magnitudes better than it was in the past! 👍I look forward to watching your skill advance with the new stuff.

[@taofledermaus]

thanks!

[@mckenzieb92]

Really looking forward to seeing future developments of this

[@tek4]

The block lube part is my favorite. Good memories. And yes yes them ones

[@taofledermaus]

lol

[@davidunderwood3605]

Absolutely the best show for this. And I live close enough I can drive to email to save the shipping. Thank you so very much

[@taofledermaus]

lol thanks

[@jonbridge8064]

Good to see you keep the scientific work up! with all the finger work in this video, I was waiting to see OG appear!

[@franka5617]

Little tip if you haven't already done this. Check out a KZbinr that makes plastic fishing baits. For example "World's Worst Fishing" or "DontGiveaBuck TV" just to name a few. I only mention this because they have a different process in making the plastic baits that might help clear up the end result. Great content. Always fun to watching.

[@taofledermaus]

I did watch a few of them. They seem to work with pretty small batches of Plastisol and can use a microwave. They are cooking chicken legs and I am trying to cook a 19 lb. turkey. lol

[@JoeHTX]

For getting the gel blocks out of the mold, try using an air compressor. I was a maintenance mechanic for a company that made molded rubber parts, seals, spline spaces, blowout preventer parts and gaskets. I'd make long nozzles from small pipe, thread it on the end so it would screw into air blower attachments. A few squirts of compressed air on the edge of the parts and even the most stubborn and delicate parts would pop out of the mold in perfect shape.

[@NICOLAI_VET]

Thanks for a great and informative video. It's always nice to learn new things. 😃

[@taofledermaus]

thanks~!

[@CarnivoreRonin]

That was very interesting! You are at the forefront of technology and I hope to get to see the plastisol more.

[@taofledermaus]

At the very least we can cast gummies out of the plastisol

[@skavossis5377]

I also figured was caused by reheating/recasting. I can image that using the clear tape from the last video would make recasting harder. Super excited to see any future developments from the Bait Plastics folks on making a ballistics version 🤓

[@Stoogeman762x39]

I'm curious to see how this evolves. I live in Missouri and stop in Desloge every so often. Nice to see and hear they are helping with this endeavor. It can only benefit them as well... Yet another use for their products.

[@nelsonbergman7706]

Another fun yet informative video. Thanks

[@taofledermaus]

Glad you enjoyed it