Fisker Ocean owners are fighting to keep their cars alive, and prices plummet after bankruptcy.

[@WesBundy82]

Software updates and other proprietary programming should become open source the minute you go out of business...

[@bavariancarenthusiast2722]

Thats a good proposal to get into Law - feds law like the Supreme Court reform package, a no brainer only not the required majority. Fisker could do it voluntary though as well! But it's not in his hands anymore I guess.

[@darbbively3406]

I used to be in the business of writing custom software for businesses, and it was common to have an escrow set up so that if the software vendor went out of business or otherwise disappeared, the source code would be released to the company who hired the software to be written. I can't understand why something similar isn't required for these new "computer essential" cars.

[@acx2035]

The issue with that could be the legality of who owns the software. Most auto makers don't make a lot of the computers and especially the code on them. So, when they buy the modules to produce the cars, one could assume they get a license to use the software but don't have the ownership to fully release it. You would most likely need the parent company like Bosch to authorize it, which won't happen.

[@ThomasWilliams-ee6li]

This is very dangerous because of malicious bugs that could be added. There really needs to be a reputable organization that maintains the code.

[@ldnwholesale8552]

That will not happen. Bankrupt companies and their recievers have good money tied up in software. They may sell it. If they cannot they will not give it out free. Sorry you lose!

[@mikemoxley9477]

Jake… could you make a suggestion to get an update on the Lamborghini tractor? Remember seeing it in the shop for repairs and upgrades.

[@04dmaxss]

I was wondering what happened to the tractor as well

[@martinkell7866]

Yes need a tractor update

[@gregculverwell]

Short answer is that they are still fighting with it.

[@lostbraincell22]

Crazy d has done a few videos on his channel.

[@ALXXR63AMG]

We want an Opening ceremony for the new Hoovies Farm…together with Stradman who is a helicopter pilot to fly Doug DeMuro to Kansas and to start the Lamborghini Tractor after its Renovation …we want Lambo Jesus to ride it out of the barn onto the new farm…

[@gavriushka]

That’s the reason I have an 08 Durango and an 07 Crown Victoria. Both work beautifully, both start every morning. Both are dirt cheap to fix with parts abundance. And they’ve got zero remote crap that’ll allow anyone to either trace, follow, take control or anything like that. Neither have Bluetooth even lol

[@bck2mono]

Amen to that. My ‘11 Crown Vic lx is my daily and since that might be too ‘modern’ my weekend ride is a 92 Roadmaster. Analog forever!

[@pkuudsk9927]

08 Cherokee 5.7 and a 1987 YJ. I figure I have another 15 years to live or so and I can fix them myself as a retired teck so why buy this new crap nobody can fix.? I am hoarding parts while they are cheap and available.

[@nevco8774]

However, ever crownvic has old computer modules. Only cars built before 1988 are free of computer modules. Yes, those modules are not connected to internet. But they degrade needing replacement. At certain point when will be none of those modules, nobody will support them. Keeping up old devices, cars is not so easy, rosy as it seems, especially in the long run.

[@gavriushka]

@@nevco8774 one thing you’re not understanding, business works out of demand. If there is demand, there’s business, there’s money to be made. Same here, if enough people say duck this modern crap, keep buying these parts, there will be places that make them, whether that’s the manufacturer or aftermarket. Also, go buy a crap ton do them now while cheap and available, and put them in a box in your storage and you’re golden. One of those computers will cost you a tenth, if not less than a single sensor on most modern cars. I had a dead radio control module on my 22 Ram 1500 Laramie. It was replaced under warranty, but if I didn’t have it, the module was over 2K. A radio module for 2K. And the wait time to get it for the dealer was over a month. Good luck to you getting it yourself now. My radio died once in the crown Vic. Wanna guess how much it cost me to replace it? However much a new radio costs at any store. You can get a $20 one, or a thousand bucks one. Guess what, you can’t replace the radio in a Tesla. Nor a modern Ram 1500, or F150. So yeah.. your point isn’t exactly valid here.

[@narcoosseefl]

Bit by bit, Big Business is trying to move us away from the concept of physical ownership of their product to a model where you're purchasing a _license_ to use the product, but the manufacturer maintains ownership of the physical product.

[@clinttube]

100%. Subscription businesses get higher valuations due to recurring revenue. Even if it's lower revenue, the fact it's recurring usually makes up for that. Worse product, less sales, still more money for the owners. The thing is, they kind of have best of both worlds because they have you by the balls despite you "owning" the car now, if anything does not run without talking to the cloud (even every X days), you MUST stay connected in some way. This is increasingly ubiquitous in software and can't imagine all automakers are far behind. But if tech/modules break because of a software update down the road, well, you are the owner so tough luck. Once the car is running well and bugs are fixed (hopefully under warranty), turn off updates so things won't get bricked over time like with iPhones. Problem is they'll surely make it so service becomes impossible because firmware doesn't match current spec and so artificially the diagnostics won't work. It's truly criminal how for a 7 year old car the identical module with identical software doesn't work because there is a fake gate created called "programming" where it's simply not doing anything proprietary. I understand why the traction control logic itself shouldn't be opened up necessarily - that's proprietary. But it's absolute BS that the identical module with identical software being replaced in a car can't be used solely because of proprietary methods of marrying it to a VIN. Seems very anti-trust-y to me.

[@anthonynicholas1165]

You vill own nothing and you vill be happy says Klaus.

[@tonymoreton7166]

"... And then we'll get on each other". Lucky lad.

[@CLCIII]

Fisker - Worst case scenario realized. As Always, May God Bless you and yours! 😇

[@tenofdiamonds6440]

Man, people were paying over $70K for the Ocean One launch edition vehicles. I had one of the $50K Extreme models reserved for two years before I got cold feet and canceled it. We went to see one at a pre-launch event in Seattle and my wife was really not impressed once we saw it in person. She was seeing things I was ignoring because I had rose colored glasses on. I canceled it a month later after doing some research for a replacement. Thank god I did!

[@tjroelsma]

Where did that trust in Fisker come from? Henrik Fisker had already seen at least one bankruptcy and it was clear to many that he didn't have a real business instinct and that his cars weren't really living up to what he promised time and again.

[@tenofdiamonds6440]

@@tjroelsma I think it was more hope and blind optimism than trust.

[@memyselfundeye]

The one you saw in Seattle in Oct 2022 was far and away not even close to the production model. Mine , like the show car, was BSB but mine had the black abyss interior which looks much better with blue exterior. 11,700 miles later i love it but wish i had all the features that were promised (and paid for!). Biggest gripe? Fuggin radio has to be booted up every god damned time you get in the car even if you just pop into a grocery store for 10 minutes. Once you FOB lock the car, its like the morning startup all over again. Why cant the stupid thing just go back to previous channel/playlist when you start up???😡 Oh, and TomTom sucks ass as a nav system. Only gives 1 route option even if you are near several highway junctions or viable arterial roads. Dog forbid if you alter from the planned route because it spends the remainder of your drive trying to get you to make u-turns back onto it. You were probably smart to walk away, i am still hoping for a miracle.

[@tenofdiamonds6440]

@@memyselfundeye I hope somebody comes through for you. I can’t imagine being in that situation having a brand new car and a year later, you don’t know what happens next when something breaks. I know the one we saw was a prototype and nothing worked on it. The seats didn’t even adjust and a lot of it was just display crap. I was trying to kind of look ahead but I just for a bad feeling. My wife more than me. But I still wasn’t really blown away by it. At least I still use the canvas bags they gave us for groceries. 😬

[@michaelconverse5127]

Better thank your wife !

[@franzputsch254]

This Fisker mess is fascinating! I have never seen anything quite like it.

[@chrisc8156]

Talk to someone who can remember the 50s and early 60s - a whole bunch of car companies disappeared - Packard, DeSoto, Studebaker, Kaiser-Frazer, Tucker, Hudson.

[@trappedinkalifornee]

And this is his SECOND TIME AROUND…..I wonder what the fisker 3 will be like….

[@Krzysztof_88]

@@chrisc8156 why did these companies disappear in the 50s and 60s? Bad management? Bad cars? Bad marketing?

[@chrisc8156]

@Krzysztof_88 Mostly because they did not have the finances and size to compete with GM, Ford and Chrysler.

[@TheGrumpySkipper]

Off topic I just noticed the Enterprise and SR71 on the shelves Very nice

[@RobDeHaven]

The chemistry between you two is amazing! 🤩 Tyler coming in clutch with the last line zinger and April's face. 🤣

[@davedsilva]

He got her back for questioning his vocabulary 😂

[@allworldmusic8270]

This happened in Australia when General Motors stopped making Holdens and the completely left the market.

[@michaelconverse5127]

Yes but at least those share a lot of mechanical and electrical parts with other makes.

[@deeablow2018]

Sounds like the finest checklist I've ever heard!

[@profosist]

Good to hear your Right to Repair Hoovie! We need as much word out there as we can get!

[@richardmorris7063]

First time I seen a Fisker Karma I loved the look, I still like the shape but every time I look at it it looks cheaper & cheaper.

[@wh4070]

The big problem I see about being a slave to the manufacturer on something you don't actually own, is how quickly will they get bored, and no longer support it. You are at their mercy, and I haven't heard of a single manufacturer commit to any long term updates and support, let alone actually following through with it.

[@jcmusco]

I own a 1987 pontiac fiero gt and gm instructed all aftermarket part manufacturers to cease and desist letters. We are picked on 40 year old cars. You (gm)will not sell parts or let anybody else make parts. Not good. I just found a new in box condenser from a auto salvage, $50.00 .37 yrs old / I found a new one on ebay for$350.00 . The ni.b. is in my garage. Now I have to have all the fluid sucked out so I can remove the hole front of my car apart. I love cars and motorcycles and watches. Nice video.

[@collyoung6017]

AHHHHH !!! Thanks Hoovie I now have an image of Dave out in the woods like Josie Wales eatin n a huntin n chasing squirrrls !!!

[@bob9550]

Love your presence and energy, April, but when you questioned Tyler’s use of magnanimous as a word? 15 IQ point deduction moving forward. 😂😢

[@garyforsythpastoratlarge7684]

I really like the idea of a good EV. That said i really enjoy the two Toyotas we currently own. They are 19 and 18 years old and in really good shape. Other than owning them for almost two decades what I appreacate about them is that I can fix pretty much anything that might go wrong in them. It's a quick call to my local NAPA dealer or rockauto, get the parts and just bolt them in.

[@AeroGuy07]

I ordered an Uber a couple months ago and the car was a taxi-spec new Camry available for fleet sales.

[@herbertwilliams1608]

I am so out of the market I thought Toro was a lawn.....

[@vanderumd11]

Thats actually insane. Company needs to come and reprogram the systems

[@TaxPayer68]

Camry and Prius are still being used for cabs. Car based fleet vehicles

[@JoesGoldenGarage]

Reminds me of my joy living with my 2011 Saab 9-5 NG. Rug yanked!

[@reevesRichardl]

Tell me about it. I have 2008 9-3 aero. 200k and still going🤞

[@davidestate]

I have a W205 Mercedes AMG with the Active LED headlights. Well one of my headlights died because of a fatal flow in all LED headlights today and that is condensation buildup. This condensation eventually destroyed to main LED module. From Mercedes Dealership you can only purchase the full headlamp and in Canada that is $2850. If you have a Mercedes Service Center, you can purchase the module alone however only Mercedes can program the module, though you can find the module online for less that what Mercedes sells it for. The module cost $630, plus labour and programming, the total cost to get my headlights to work was $1500 which is I could have done it myself, would have cost $400.

[@walterplant2957]

It’s my understanding that one of the reasons given for moving to LED was they use less energy therefore “greener” ; there’s nothing especially green about having to replace the entire unit rather than a simple bulb and the amount it’s cost you is outrageous

[@johndandrea8034]

I like Tylers plan at the end of the video......

[@stevengreco1939]

My favorite couple are back!

[@kbarnes0]

Love the format and the hosts! How about some new content that is something other than just vehicle news? There is alot of other news out there that you could cover?

[@kamnapavon4638]

The Motors are Motors, the Wires are Wires, Plug Adaptations and Alternative Control Modules... Would require some Wiring Harness Adapters and Simple Programming..

[@mongo64071]

My understanding is that OBD was only required for troubleshooting emissions equipment on cars. But since EVs don’t have gas engines, there is no need to provide ODB diagnostic ports.

[@SEO122]

The day of the Red Barchetta is fast approaching!

[@CruisinWithKevin]

I’m actually heading there now from Oklahoma with a empty trailer I could have hauled it

[@randyvfromtheperch]

Good luck young Padewan! .

[@marquisethomas5611]

Wasnt expecting that outro 😂

[@philpernice4722]

Was looking forward to see production of the pear with the cool tailgate trick

[@XX-166]

So was fisker

[@bearkyn]

Hi Hoovie, ask Wizard to read Fisker as Chevy Volt, works with Launch.

[@christopherhope7623]

Magnanimous is a word= Generous or forgiving, especially a rival or a less powerful person. “She should be magnanimous in victory”

[@superblunt505]

How is Genesis a beginner luxury brand that's apparently not very popular with little to no media coverage not filing for bankruptcy but here these guys r killing it

[@Rekuzan]

Ask any cop in America, money's no object, what vehicle would the want, and most will tell you the SAME thing: BRING BACK THE CROWN VIC!!!

[@seanpquinn]

I don’t think going open source even figures into it. There are safety agencies involved and tests and standards that have to be met. What if Boeing went out of business, do you think the government would allow the open source community messing with the code base of an airliner?

[@anbock55]

I'm at 23.5k miles on my Ocean. Love every minute of it.

[@oggie1967]

The only thing I like about Fisker? He designed the tail lights on my DB9!😂

[@23664gray]

April can see the future

[@darryl2154]

Although I do not think it will be the government. Governments have not shown an understanding or initiative with emerging technologies. It will be the corporations tracking your movements, capturing and selling your data, just like all of the big tech companies do now.

[@darrellsaunders4267]

The new word of the day is the MAGNITUDE of it...

[@seanscott7120]

Should have just "settled" for working for Aston Martin.

[@donchandler755]

There is, definitely, a market for a car similar to the Ford Crown Victoria or the Dodge Charger. The Ford Panther platform (Crown Vic, etc.), have proven to be one of the most dependable cars ever.

[@alexandermartincausey7333]

I heard there was a company license-building Volvo 240s, but not sure where or if they're still around. April hit the nail on the head when she mentioned the government controlling our cars. A BIG roadblock to building new old cars IS the government. New cars have to meet tougher emissions standards. They have to meet updated safety regulations (like side impact airbags after 2010) so that would limit any attempt at making new old cars to 1500 units or less per year to satisfy the requirements for "low volume production" exemption. I wonder if the same company could make 1500 Crown Vics, 1500 Volvo 240s, 1500 Toyota pickups from the early 90s, 1500 Nissan Hardbodys, etc. I imagine the auto manufacturers would not willingly (or cheaply) issue a license for another company to build their obsolete cars. You'd almost have to do it with a defunct in the US brand, such as Isuzu or Suzuki. New 1991 Suzuki Sidekicks and Isuzu Troopers would probably be a hit.

[@seldoon_nemar]

I love that it's Good _Morning_ youtube, but it's always posted after lunch 😂

[@mattadamsid]

American leasing is a taxi and limousine commission (TLC) specific car leasing company that leases to Uber and Lyft drivers. They will most likely be transitioning all of their fleet to these instead of Camry’s and Highlanders and Tesla’s. It’s actually a really good buy for them because normally they have to buy cars at full market value, with a slight discount obv, dr. so what they will have to spend to set up their own support network for these cars will still be a massive savings for them overtime. I run a private car service here so I’m familiar with the business.

[@mattdomanski9442]

until they need spare parts of software fixes

[@mattadamsid]

@@mattdomanski9442 I mean they are saving 20-30k per vehicle over what they would be spending on the ones they currently lease, so if they have to spend $10-20mil hiring a few of the fisker engineers and parting apart a bunch of them it’s still a massive savings for them long term.

[@markf1548]

I’m keeping my older cars that have no computers!

[@nathanledee3140]

Good morning Tyler

[@easycom65ify]

You guys where were maid for each other . Very happy for you .

[@panameradan6860]

"maid" 😂

[@JeremyKasperson]

The best taxi in the world is a great topic for a new video.

[@porcelainthunder2213]

They’ll probably lease them to ride share drivers.

[@nitrousoxide69]

Henrik Fisker is as good at designing a beautiful car as he is bad at making them. Its a shame it didn't work out.

[@fbboringstuff]

This fisker has nothing to do with him. That version is now going by karma.

[@murdoch9106]

I doubt they even could open source it even if they wanted too... So much of the hardware and software is proprietary to other companies I'm sure, unless Fisker somehow created everything in house... I dont get how people even end up buying something like a Fisker... not the first time they fail and I have never seen anything compelling out of them ever. Basically its not just up to that company.

[@matthewhenderson5070]

I just bought a Mazda MX-30 EV, I trust Mazda will back it up.

[@TOM-C.]

Under the terms of bankruptcy, the courts should have demanded they release everything to do with the Fisker including the software!

[@chrisc8156]

The guys who bought the DeLorean left overs are still in business so why not do the same for Fisker. The only problem is that if the Hoover EV Doorstop postulation is true (EVs are worthless once the battery dies) then they only have a short window to make back their money.

[@MegaHomie4life]

Better get April's Lincoln fixed!!!!!❤

[@throttlewatch4614]

An electric car is a battery a motor and potentiometer someone will make a retrofit for all EV’s

[@aftonline]

Rich bought a broken Fisker for $10k. I'm sure that once his guys at Electrified Garage figure out how to fix these white elephants, they will get a lot of work from Fisker owners.

[@jimmysuperduty1484]

It SHOULD make everyone nervous that the government wants to have control of your car. There is literally no good reason for that

[@trappedinkalifornee]

Have you heard anything on the H Fisker 3rd edition …. Coming out in a few years?

[@Firehawk95]

worse thought: hackers can now break into your car remotely and either give themselves control, cut the power, unlock the doors or even move the car.

[@bowmanjeff8]

I believe the push is to do away with private vehicle ownership Automobiles will be a service

[@Cloxxki]

Having a driving Fisker Ocean is going to be the greatest boast. Rolling up to the red carpet in a Fisker under its own power.

[@fergman300]

Donate them, and take the tax write off.

[@mercator79]

I mean... yeah that is one way to end an episode and start another w/o cameras, presumably

[@Oogiesgarage]

No Saturday video? I was looking forward to a April’s garage video

[@donphillips5957]

You couldn't start a private car company making bare bones analog cars, and maybe s-10s because of CAFE. Meeting fuel economy and emissions standards would be next to impossible

[@clintonturner5545]

My wife hates those lefty EV cars. I bought a Smart Car in 2009. She thought it was an EV in 2009. She calmed down after I told her it has a gas engine. Not trading it for anything. Lord willing.

[@Dr_Mike2]

@SteveLheto just had on his channel, a Toyota (with the bad engine) that Toyota refused to warranty b/c the owner drove 85mph

[@memertmemes2586]

Its not tinfoil hat, it's the reality of where this is going.

[@mikemoxley9477]

Great content… again THANKS

[@Iamthehethetheyandthehim]

Yeah I had to unsubscribe. Their content has become so corny. For someone who didn't want to become a youtuber April seems fully committed to the bit.

[@christopherdeguzman1137]

@@IamthehethetheyandthehimFor me, to much car content. I thought he was gonna think out side the box like geek culture or other stuff from Aprils head.😂

[@Iamthehethetheyandthehim]

@christopherdeguzman1137 I'm all for car content but this behind the desk type format isn't doing it for me. I thought they'd be showing behind the scenes of barrett jackson and do more car reviews.

[@troyashley6202]

What does April's shirt say ?

[@scottsutorka6398]

I thought manufacturers that sell in the US are required to support warranty / parts for 7 years post sale, whether they’re in business or not?

[@chrismiller9032]

Looks like your Fisker will be a good candidate for a Wizard LS swap.

[@mikerichardson60]

Rich rebuilds got a basically new FIsker Ocean for 10K. Anyone foolish enough to spend that kind of $$ on a brand new car company must not need to worry about losing said money. I thought there are federal laws that mandate that a manufacturer must provide parts for a specified period of time?

[@donaldparlett7708]

And this is why I’ll never own an EV, you’ll never really own that vehicle even if you’ve paid a ton of cash for it. Ain’t no way ever.

[@richardmorris7063]

We never really own a car,we have it while were alive then it goes to someone else.

[@stevenemert837]

@donaldparlett7708 - With all the computerization of all cars, this is not just an EV problem! It's just worse for Fisker owners since they went out of business.

[@shanet7511]

Same goes for newer ICE cars

[@sumofty]

You think your ICE car has no software? Lol

[@Crypto_Circus]

@@donaldparlett7708 new cars have the same issue, electric and screens will all start failing at the 10 year mark

[@juancarlosdelmoral1919]

A problem with a open code for cars is that your car could be hack, stolen or worse get into an accident because somebody is controlling your car, have to be a middle point of that problem.

[@BCaldwell]

I'm with April.....

[@craigcampbell1843]

Gas powered cars have computers and over the air updates too. This is not exclusive to EVs.

[@Crypto_Circus]

Don’t buy a Fisker until it’s below $10k, the car can brick because the recall issues.

[@MrMustangrick]

No way. You’ll never get parts for it.

[@MrMustangrick]

Second time bankrupt for Fisker. What a stupid, predictable outcome.

[@Crypto_Circus]

@@MrMustangrick from who? No parts available, the car is not worth more than $10k

[@g-mang-man7924]

Every day, owning my 04 ES330 seems so much a smarter decision than to replace it with something newer.

[@shanet7511]

My 2014 Lexus ES300H hybrid was a fantastic vehicle. I bought it with 99k miles and used it as a fulltime rideshare vehicle, so very hard use. I also commuted alot (150 miles round trip everyday) at 80-90mph and took breaks for hours idling the car in parking lots. My SIL totalled it after 2 years at 184k miles. During that time the only thing that failed were the front power doorlock actuators after using them 100X a day because of rideshare. Other than that just oil and air filter changes, 1 set of tires and wipers. I even averaged about 38-40mpg despite driving it like an asshole.

[@RayNLA]

Rich will Rebuild them!

[@gregsprung5014]

I think It;s South Carolina Highwat Patrol Aquied 70ish sumthing Mustang's.

[@mxc0bbn]

Oiy! I don't like myself when I have to post such comments, but "wow magnanimous, is that even a word?" 🙄, ugh! Tyler, buddy, ugh! ok, never mind, never mind....it got away from me for a second there, but I got it back...good video and a great co-host. She's so...🤔, what's the word? Gregarious 🙂. Keep it up.

[@ALXXR63AMG]

We want this software to go open source…make this Ocean great again…and fancy…later this year we want to adapt an Antigravity Drive at each wheel…so we need the software …we just let AI program a new software and make the Fisker Ocean the first open source programmed by we the people to shine as long as it can…and learn to fly…

[@MarkLRandall]

Sucks for Fisker owners, but the odds of this happening were like 95%.

[@JerryDLTN]

Someone like George Hotz should hack cars' ECUs and replace them with a Raspberry Pi/Arduino so we won't be dependent on automakers and their updates for a 15+ year old 2024+ car.

[@nimrodsmusic]

The national transportation authority shut down the abilities to open source the software because they don't want cars to be randomly shutting off, accelerating, stearing without a company to hold responsible. It sucks but they won't let us fix our own software

[@mbutungubu5629]

I would love to see analog cars again, but Govt creep with CAFE standards, smog (Hello California) and intrustive safety measures with giant C pillars makes this impossible. You"d have to repeal laws to get 1990-2000 cars again. Its scary enough at the thought of Karens driving around in 9000lb EV Hummers. We need to end this arms race

[@jbbeemer1]

Ive never had a car older than 5 years, that’s gonna have to change though. No way am I buying an electric car that can be bricked, auto repo’d, report you for speeding etc. My ‘22 TRX doesn’t have any of that shit, I’m gonna get a C7 Z06 and challenger HC wide body and just keep those 3 forever.

[@tony_25or6to4]

Bring back the Checker Marathon

[@KansasKen]

Ineos should make the fleet car.

[@JimFlanagan4206]

I would never buy a car from a new auto maker. I'm even nervous about a new model from established car companies.

[@richardmorris7063]

I love cars but I'd never buy a new car always slightly pre owned.

[@leaderofthefreeworld2700]

3rd video in a row that brodie's recorded to put out on 3 different days 😂 fair play

[@lordcorgi6481]

What's happened to Fisker owner's has been happening to games for over a decade. Company says they're done supporting it, and the item you paid for is worthless now.

[@juliansteward2593]

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