Fixed On PS5 Pro? Star Wars Outlaws & Avatar Frontiers of Pandora

[@harissonbond7499]

The power of DF is pretty significant. Plz keep the criticisms coming as the devs do listen and take action on improving the game thanks to your criticism. Support DF.

[@CC42_]

They don't ever really criticize though that's the problem they always try to veil their "complaints" with soft language that the majority of console gamers hear and think "that doesn't sound so bad"....they've been doing this for years as they're more worried about maintaining their good standing with these companies. So now one of the only big tech channels isn't going to cause these big companies to change much, unless we're lucky enough for the media to read between the lines of DF's analysis and actually pick up these stories (which almost never happens). At least Alex has the guts to call out devs more directly. Never see John, Richard, or Oliver really show any anger or annoyance even though it's totally warranted in this situation.

[@FFx16459]

⁠​⁠@@CC42_well Richard is the most political one so it isn’t going to happen . Oliver is nee. John is just worried bout CRTVs…. I think DF are still great where they are. We already have enough folks jumping on the negative bandwagon. I like that DF teaches and are very knowledgeable with no actual reviews score.

[@mandrews6282]

They also added the ability to remove ‘Cinematic Filters’ as well, which removes post processing effects like lens distortion and vignetting, among other things, and that also goes a long way to clean up the image as well. This is also available for base consoles as well as the Pro.

[@ChayaneRuizTorres]

Exactly! And like I mentioned on my own comment; all developers seriously need to include these toggles in all games. Forcing Motion blur, chromatic aberration (which is horrible), film grain (even worse), and all those you mentioned is just plain ridiculous when a simple option to turn off or on should not be a difficult implementation. I applaud Ubisoft for being the first to backtrack and include the ability to select upscaling methods on the Pro.

[@alexanderquiles7876]

Wasn't the Pro going to be less options to make things simple to players.

[@pt8292]

forcing a wack pssr on us and that resulting in requiring more graphical options is Sony's fumble with the Pro

[@beasto570]

@@pt8292 Its a developer issue - Lazy implementation would be my guess - on all of Sony's own games PSSR works exactly as advertised.

[@fcukugimmeausername]

@@beasto570 ummm, nah. PSSR is crap and Sony knew it.

[@mac1bc]

Yes that was supposed to be the plan. FF7 Rebirth figured it out but other devs didn't get the memo.

[@shortw00d81]

@@fcukugimmeausername it's not... it's not perfect. But far from crap. There are enough games that show how it should (and could) be done.

[@GolfWhisky]

Remember when the PS4 launched? There was outrage and concern that the consoles had been released grossly underpowered, as the first games were only running at 900p, when the consoles had been promoted as the "Full HD generation". Imagine if someone had told us that games would be running at 900p some 11 years later in 2024! Not just on a PS5, but a beefed up Pro version of the console.

[@Chasingmidnight.]

☝️ pc nerd 😂

[@emilgustavsson7310]

@@Chasingmidnight. also called a grown up with a fkn brain.

[@dragons_red]

This is the downfall of gaming, this upscaling tech. I was saying it on here when the first videos came out about Nvidias tech. I said it was going to be a crutch and engine and game optimization are going out the windows. And here we are with low rez blurry messes of games

[@GolfWhisky]

@@dragons_red agree. Upscaling and VRR/G-Sync too. Extremely useful technologies, designed with the very best of intentions, but as you say, guaranteed to be used as a crutch in lieu of optimisation. Oh and add frame gen to that list. Great tech to boost 70 fps games to 120fps. It was clearly stated that the tech was not for use with 30fps games, and yet within 12 months we had developers using it for that purpose. Something something about why we can't have nice things.

[@randybradley4151]

It's hard to predict a resolution when there is so much more behind a resolution then just overall resolution. Better and more textures, shading, lighting and shadows pull away from what a machine can do.

[@ChayaneRuizTorres]

I think most consumers, including myself who got or will get a PS5 Pro (Professional being the key word), are ready and capable to understand and work with all these toggles and graphical options. ALL developers need to do this with their games. They have to stop babysitting the niche market for the Pro. We need all the options so we can choose what we prefer or know to be best. I prefer PSSR in some games and FSR in others. Alan Wake 2 also just got the update. I emailed Insomniac the first week the PS5 Pro released, pointing the PSSR issue with image softness and got completely ignored. Spider Man 2 looked so much better without PSSR... At least this gives me hope.

[@mhjmstultiens]

Respectfully disagree, at least in these two cases. FSR3 in these games is clearly superior. That makes the PSSR reconstruction technique as an alternative superfluous. It ads unnecessary complexity to the slew of graphical modes, with no obvious benefit. Choice is only interesting when its meaningful.

[@ChayaneRuizTorres]

@@mhjmstultiens Completely understand your perspective. However, as horrendous as PSSR might be in these two particular games, it looks sharper in motion, and maybe there might be ONE or FIVE consumers who got a PS5 Pro who like a sharper image in motion. Those consumers have the OPTION to select whatever they like most, which is the point of my comment. Developers should give us all the options regardless of what they think should be forced on us, and we choose. Take Spider Man 2 as an example, it looks temporally more stable with PSSR, but blurrier. I prefer a sharper image and sacrifice the minor temporal artifacts. Insomniac is forcing Pro users with the new modes using PSSR, and that I do not appreciate. However, in these two games, I would use FSR since the sharper image is not worth all the other issues PSSR creates. Choice doesn't hurt, it adds. And that is what we who paid $700 should get. Simply the choice.

[@mhjmstultiens]

​@@ChayaneRuizTorres I believe it's too simple to say choice doesn't hurt, it adds. There are many cases known where presenting more choice doesn't ad anything at all, it just makes situations unnecessary complex, even hurting the decision proces. Again: when the choice is meaningful, I don't mind. So from what I gather the choice in your case obviously is meaningful. Less so from my perspective. I have my gaming PC with dozens of settings. My console is my plug-and-play machine. Hence I don't necessary need that many choices on that platform. Certainly not more than the relatively clear resolution versus performance mode(s). So developer: present me your best two or three modes so I can start gaming as quickly as possible without aggrandizing over too many settings in menus. This approach isn't necessary better or worse. It's just a different viewpoint and I'm guessing it depends heavily on how much time you'd like to spend tinkering with your hardware/software to get the best results.

[@ChayaneRuizTorres]

@@mhjmstultiens I agree with you and all your points as well. It is difficult to please everybody at all times. And with providing choice to a market who knows, or is supposed to know what they are purchasing, it gives everyone the opportunity to not feel forced to certain settings. Looking into it from your perspective, consumers would have the option to purchase a regular PS5 and not have to worry too much with deciding settings, but with a PS5 Pro, we are getting into more intricacies willingly and knowingly. I am just encouraging developers to add and not restrict brother. Thats all. Cheers and Merry Christmas btw.

[@Floodsye]

More modes, more options > Treating the player like they are dumb and don't know anything about rendering or what they're eyes prefer. Devs need to trust their players' intelligence, both in terms of settings and gameplay to ensure higher quality products (which both these games actually do offer with non-guided gameplay modes as new Ubi titles have and the graphics modes look like a step in the right direction for console gamers).

[@stephen-wahl]

If it doesn’t hold value for you then it’s not for you. Not sure why people feel the need to slag people who do find value in it. It’s starting to feel a little obsessive… with constant negativity and quick to attack anything that doesn’t seem to be tailored to their very desire. It’s not only toxic but starting to sound pathological. If anything they should be thanking all the us Beta testers who were willing to pay a premium SO THAT YOU can have an awesome product when PS6 launches and includes PSSR ver3.0 or later at a typical console price point of around $500. If anything you should be grateful for all the early adopters that will help you get a better product. And if you’re not getting a PS6 then why the F/k do you care?

[@shortw00d81]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[@lordspalse0062]

Get out and stop talking nonsense. You want people to applaud you for eating shit or to stay silent

[@GBMatthew07]

It's people's opinions, whether you like them or not, is totally irrelevant .

[@blountra]

Wish they would have compared quality 60/40/30 to each other for us VRR folk. I really want to see how the quality changes in Avatar

[@seanlange6715]

Right, so what mode are most people playing in now? Trying to determine if there's enough of a visual difference to justify quality 40 vs quality 60

[@davidt3814]

I don't get why PSSR on Ratchet and TLOU works well, and not on Ubisoft games...?

[@Etheral101]

Depends on the native resolution. Games that already had a good resolution look great. Games that were already upscaled greatly from a low resolution suffer badly. Their is just not enough for PSSR to work off without breaking down

[@Bankoru]

Anything above 1080p seems to upscale really well on PSSR But these newer games just forgoing optimizations in favor of upscaling from 720p are suffering the most. I blame UE5 just being horrible in general.

[@emilgustavsson7310]

@@Bankoru Well, that blame would be misguided to say the least. UE5 is ok as long as you take the time to optimize it for your needs and putting time in relieving those issues. There is definitely a problem creating a big open world game in UE5, but for one, there is a huge difference between i.e. UE5.0 and 5.4 etc, and the games coming with >5.0 versions will be better. A lot has happened with UE since 5.0. The more money/time you put into getting rid of the stutter issues etc. In essence... the engine is ok with amazing options to turn shit up but it has a huge cost in optimization time to get things running smooth-ish. CDPR will set a new UE standard tho... 100%. They will tweak the shit out of this heavy heavy engine and more will follow. If you want S-Tier visuals, there ain't no competition for smaller to medium size devs. It is just too fkn expensive(/impossible) to make an in house engine that rivals UE in any significant way tbh, stutters n all. Unless you are someone like Valve or similar with deeeeeep pockets and that exact mindset/goal. We are gonna have to accept that UE5 is what's gonna be fed to us, and keep complaining about performance until a good enough branch becomes mainstream or hardware catches up.

[@bernerstefan4660]

Maybe because UBI don't care about us gamers. They only want to sell games 🤷 Only Trash produceing since Rayman Legends 😁

[@dragons_red]

​@@emilgustavsson7310 that's the problem though, optimization is a dying art among young devs as they increasingly slap together games with these lego engines and just "fix" the performance with upscaling tech. It's all downhill from here

[@adriannavarro9962]

So PSSR remains a mess when upscaling from low input resolutions. Losing to FSR is a bad look for sure.

[@nicodimus2222]

PSSR is in its infancy. FSR and DLSS used to suck ass too. It needs time to mature. Some developers clearly know how to utilize it better than others, too.

[@cyphaborg6598]

Losing to FSR3 is a testament to AMD having a matured technology. (Saying FSR like it's the first iteration)

[@chris42069]

​@@nicodimus2222it's in beta, so we need an option to turn it OFF. DLSS and FSR 1.0 were OPTIONAL

[@senorsnipey1595]

Omg..its a clear winner in a lot of other games. They are still working out the growing pains

[@senorsnipey1595]

​@nicodimus2222 thank you dude. You said what needed to be said

[@justinjohnson4413]

Man I got a pro and I won't lie I'm very very underwhelmed... There's a few games that imo look great such as gt7/lou2/horizon games/ wich yes are all Sony games but also imo I think hogwarts looks really good but yes outlaws looks horrible in every way but it always has from launch anyway. My recommendation is do not buy a pro if your thinking about it... Wait about 6 months to a year and see what they do with it.

[@danloki78]

Yep me too.

[@wh3resmycar]

outlaws isnt any better on PC regardless of hardware.

[@PreyLoon]

Cinematic Camera OFF and PSSR ON looks fantastic in every mode. FSR is straight up broken with HDR on, banding on everything. Cinematic Camera being toggled off and PSSR ON makes this whole game look great.

[@GATES-KEEP]

I think game developers should start giving the user the ability to adjust the games settings to their liking. Like have three pre sets created by the devs and have a fourth mode called custom were that basically unlocks all the games settings and let's the user define their own settings to their liking like how you can on pc.

[@Etheral101]

How does Horizon Forbidden West look better and has no ray tracing

[@resfan000]

They aren’t using pssr they are using their own in house techniques.

[@camacho6100]

Are they going to fix AC Mirage? That's the best AC they have released in years, and that's broken on PS5 Pro...it shimmers at night...do a video on that please :)

[@Darkcranio]

Choices are not a problem. The problem is that they by making you decide they essentially they just abbandon fixing the PSSR mod and leave it as is.

[@Nobody-m8u1s]

Bro, are we officially at the point where consoles have more settings than PC? Definitely more presets with all these modes vs just low/med/high/ultra, and now an upscaler option??? I thought consoles are for convenience, now the average consumer can pay $700 for the luxury to study up on modes to get sub-1080p

[@kemidu]

Great video, on Star Wars Outlaws quality 30 on a PS5 Pro, do you recommend PSSR or FSR ?

[@germansherman7707]

Don't buy Low quality games like this. it's incredibly how they evolving just backwards specially ubisoft and EA.

[@Evermore360]

Now the 60hz quality mode of Black ops 6 has to get an update.

[@uh_ant]

It did

[@TSPG1985]

@@uh_ant it still doesn’t work correctly. Shimmering and static are still there.

[@uh_ant]

@@TSPG1985 only instance I found that is by inspecting your weapon, the depth of field causes a lot of shimmering. Otherwise it’s gone in gameplay.

[@Evermore360]

@@uh_ant Then take a look at many areas in the campaign or the second zombie map. But no matter where. The general picture quality in multiplayer is also worse than on a normal PS5. Lighting effects and shadows are a little prettier. However, edges now flicker and the image appears more restless as a result.

[@urazoktay7940]

Oliver speaks in never ending commas. Never a full stop, interconnected unending sentences. It's so hard to follow what he says if your English is not native level, top level. I earn my living with doing translations, i'm a translator, my English is good, but oh god it's so hard to follow what Oliver says. Can't you use less complex English please? And from what i understand Oliver is not even English. Richard is English and he is way easier to comprehend when he speaks. I really feel frustrated when i listen to Oliver. Never ending commas, he just never seems to end a sentence. :D Is it just me? Other than that, amazing video as always. :D

[@Bloodwalker091]

I believe they leave the PSSR mode because as far as I understand the PSSR can be updated separately via the console firmware? So in future the PSSR toggle could look better I assume.

[@nelsonhamilton8262]

Found PSSR just was bafflingly bad on Avatar but I actually think PSSR looks quite a bit better on Outlaws and stuck with it after the patch.

[@copperysinger5985]

Okay ps5 pro is $300 more than base. $100 for larger storage $100 for better graphics card $100 pro enhanced gaming options.

[@Andyw1228]

Will PSSR be eventually on par with Nvidias DLSS ? Is it only a matter of more neuronal grid training?

[@PeterSkaOi]

Im glad that i can play Star wars on the highest settings in Full HD without upacaling on my pc with a pretty good 60 FPS. Looks great and plays good. Hope that the devs can fix image quality on console.

[@karrde593]

I miss you guys saying “pisser”. Someone at Sony probably thought they were being funny…

[@fcukugimmeausername]

This is pretty terrible stuff from Sony. One of the main selling points of the Pro was 60fps in Quality mode. Sony would have known in their own testing that PSSR wasn't even close and yet kept marketing it.

[@nicodimus2222]

But...Ubisoft. They're honestly even worse now than EA. Lots of third party devs seem to use PSSR pretty well.

[@senorsnipey1595]

Dude everyone of these solutions including FSR started out crap. Pssr looks incredible in quite a few games. They are still working out the issues. These are the early days. At the end of the day, the work they are doing with the pro will translate to the ps6 so this is good stuff. Look at GT7 video and Horizon Forbidden West. Unbelievable stuff

[@randybradley4151]

But at the end of the day it's up to the developers of these games to implement the power of the PS5 Pro properly. If a developer just wants to throw out an update without fully doing testing on the performance then that should be against that studio and not PlayStation as a whole.

[@esbimbamjoh]

​@@senorsnipey1595 Horizon Forbidden West isn't even using PSSR but an original solution from Guerilla Games, which is far superior to the advertised PS5 Pro upscaling solution. There is no excuse for charging am premium price for immature technology.

[@coffee.coyote]

What is the difference in resolution in SW Outlaws between Balanced 40fps and Quality 60fps on PS5 Pro?

[@emilgustavsson7310]

44.

[@ULTRA_YOKO_MADARA]

its understanding atm it cannot handle much next gen type games that are out now & games that was made for the ps4 but have a native ps5 version definitely looks & runs great tho on the pro also most unreal engine 4 game's as well. & Hopefully in a year or so it will get way better (fingers crossed) im rooting for the future of the pro , i do hope it blossems into something fully awesome!!!

[@pw9681]

PSSR should give for PS5 Pro 2 modes - RayTracing mode and Performance mode. Really this should have been priority.

[@spyro440]

PS5 Pro is such a clusterfuck now. The job was actually simple: No more choice necessary between "graphics" and "performance" necessary. Always 60 fps plus a considerable better IQ as base PS5 at performance mode. Sounds not unfair to ask for for a eyewatering 920 EUR. Now we got PSSR artifacts, a blurry image and even more compromised modes.

[@fcukugimmeausername]

It's even funnier when you realise they probably could have just swapped out the AMD GPU for an equivalent Nvidia one, kept the price roughly the same and used DLSS 3 to get better results.

[@randybradley4151]

But that didn't mean non 1st party studios were going to pump more development costs into games that released prior to the PS5 Pro and do a good job in doing so. Clearly Ubisoft just threw these updates out and then had to actually do some work in getting their games running better and I feel if PlayStation sent out their devs to these studios to work on proper patches that we would have way better updates on the PS5 Pro.

[@Dark_Oopa]

"PS5 pro acheive almost PS5 Quality mode in 60FPS. It's for the gamer wo want to play without compromise at 60FPS and beyond". 8 modes...

[@ByteSizedSociety]

And quality mode at 60 FPS on the PS5 Pro is no longer high resolution. Quality? Bleh.

[@chris42069]

​@@ByteSizedSocietyQuAL1tY 🥴

[@wh3resmycar]

i wish you guys would add a PC sample in your comparisons as well because we got 4060 guys on here thinking what they're seeing on their PC is superior.

[@TallAndThin123]

What do we do if we only have a ps5 pro

[@pt8292]

Play these few games unpatched off the disc until these issues are resolved

[@TallAndThin123]

@@pt8292 play them digitally? un patched? how do i do that?

[@robertmcmahon4549]

On gt7 pssr has artifacts so looks better off but i got my pro for vr which has some nice improvements so im pleased with it.if you are a flatscreen gamer i dont think i can recommend it

[@pt8292]

got your pro for VR? theres barely any support...

[@fcukugimmeausername]

@@pt8292 GT7 has great VR support for the Pro.

[@robertmcmahon4549]

@pt8292 mainly for gt7 as i love racing in vr.not having reprojection has made it worth while

[@mehdinaseri1366]

The problem is not with PSSR, it's with the developer, who can't make the game they've already made compatible with PSSR. Let's take a look at The Last of Us and we can understand this.

[@infernaltim]

$700+ for a 30fps mode. Absolutely insane that people will justify this in 2024.

[@jokeris9051]

It's always about who optimizes those games, have you seen other games on ps5 pro? or are you just looking at the flaws?

[@randybradley4151]

Or not complain about an Xbox Series X digital only 2TB system for $100 lest and it has no extra power.

[@GreenGrugach]

£825 for the complete console.

[@jokeris9051]

@@GreenGrugach and? Where is the point?

[@infernaltim]

@@randybradley4151 This is a video about the PS5 Pro.

[@Igolorbr]

From 720P on standard PS5 to 936P on Pro is so disappoiting.

[@DragonKing_V]

why specifically these two games by ubisoft. The crew motorsport looks awesome on the pro so why is avatar and star wars struggling?

[@Unprotected1232]

The game still has issues with cloud rendering and DLSS.

[@josetomascamposrobledano4618]

Ubisoft is so bad they single-handedly created an army of anti-PS5-Pro Memes

[@sergiosanchez3344]

I know people love to blame Ubisoft for everything and sometimes they deserve it but not here. Both bloober team and Remedy have issues with PSSR too, it's Sony's upscaler, it isn't good enough yet.

[@kato093]

​@@sergiosanchez3344😂 and what do remedy, bloober and Ubisoft have in common? C'mon, it's not that hard. Blame the shitty devs releasing broken games barley running and held together with spit and tape Vs Blame Sony that had nothing to do with anything but give them money 🤔

[@orijimi]

​@@kato093That they're European and they've all made 2 or more third-person perspective games. That's about it.

[@sergiosanchez3344]

@@kato093 Sony sold a console with an upscaler that only works well with their first party games and a few others. These games have no problems with dlss or even FSR. PSSR isn't ready yet. It needs more feedback.

[@Dcfc1chez]

I'm gutted missis got me a pro for Xmas and I'm struggling to get the disc drive to play avatar again

[@randybradley4151]

I was struggling to get the PS5 disc drive as well but was able to get my hands on one for $56.50CAD.

[@urazoktay7940]

Amazing video, thank you Digital Foundry.

[@lordspalse0062]

My Cousin swapped his ps5 pro with my base ps5 temporarily so he can play some of his games without being arm strung by PSSR. I'm currently enjoying his pro just for the boost mode of non PSSR shit games.

[@Zetpherious]

Sorry but after how impressive the Indian Jones performance is, every game just feels insanely inadequate in terms of optimisations

[@Vynzent]

idTech magic ✨

[@Etheral101]

Spiderman and Horizon games have great graphics and high framerate. Indiana Jones is late to the party. Great, buy late

[@GreekIrish]

Bethesda is really doing a disservice to the gaming world by not giving other devs access to that engine

[@randybradley4151]

Not hard to do when you copy from a movie and the game isn't open world. Albeit the new Indy game is great though and we will see what the game will look like in the new year when it comes to the PS5/PS5 PRO. Also feel the performance of the Indy game seams a bit wonky but still serviceable.

[@Cthulhu8762]

@@randybradley4151yeah it’s a great game but Idk know how people can even compare the two types of games. It’s like people stop at thinking to make a comment on comparison between two totally different games and styles.

[@bloomerb4162]

I paid for pssr, it's on the box. I want my damn pssr by golly.

[@hassosigbjoernson5738]

It's kinda good that FSR returned: it benefits more devices including Ps5 (amateur), XBox, Steam Deck and none RTX 40 Series cards. Been like 90 hours in in Star Wars Outlaws, now in the endgame on XSX in Quality Mode.

[@NextgenPL]

Now Outlaws looks good on every mode when turn off pssr😅

[@madsandreassen5441]

Please stop this. I have to choose upscale? On a PlayStation? Why? Isn’t it the developers job to make the best game possible? Sorry, I’ll rephrase that: It’s the developers job to make the best game possible. On PC choice makes sense, because every PC is different and there are millions of combinations of graphics cards, CPUs and everything else. But on a console? All PS5s are the same. All Ps5 Pros are the same. Don’t make me sit and have to choose between advantages and disadvantages of various setting. What’s next? A game comes with a concept for gameplay and some drawings of the game world and a Coding For Dummies book so I can make the game myself just how I like it? Seriously - I pay for the developers to make those decisions, not to have to wade through countless choices myself. This is ridiculous.

[@olsen3127]

The water still looks sooooo bad

[@mandrews6282]

That’s not a Pro issue though as you can toggle it back to FSR with all the other resolution and performance upgrades in place. With this new patch it does look a lot better than base finally at least.

[@olsen3127]

@@mandrews6282yeah I guess it’s a snowdrop scaling issue. There’s just not enough power left for the water, since it’s rendering is way too expensive for current gen console hardware so they had to dumb it way down which is clearly an engine design issue.

[@kmann1994]

Did you guys test Quality 60fps mode and Balanced mode on Outlaws? Is Quality 60fps actually using the Quality mode from base PS5 but at 60fps?

[@Kingofconsoles54]

PLAYS BEST ON PS5 PRO. DEAL WITH IT FANQUEER!

[@mandrews6282]

It’s definitely doing more than base console Performance Mode that’s for sure, but from what I can tell certain ray tracing features are removed in Quality Pro for lighting. Unsure if that is intended or not as it’s not made clear in the patch notes or the mode descriptions in game. One would assume that it should be ‘Quality Mode’ at 60 fps. But it is clearly not the case. Still looks better than Performance 60 though for sure. You’d be hard pressed to tell anything was missing unless you had side by sides though so it’s close enough.

[@Igni-bu5mz]

I'm actually digging the 40 fps Quality Mode in Outlaws. Surprised they didn't even talk about it. Great compromise; game runs well and looks great.

[@wingedhussar1453]

i knew something was up with the games on ps5 pro looking very smooth and soft but i didnt mind the look of it, it sort of has a movei quality to it on pro comapred to ps5 base. but a fix to moption and sharpness wopuld be a psoitive

[@MarbleGiant]

So, now console players are expected to put up with all the nonsense that makes PC gaming a turn off. We want minimal choice, pick up and play. Next they will be offering an Afterburner overlay and we get to stare at that rather than play.

[@danloki78]

We paid 700 quid for 3 black strip's though😅

[@GreekIrish]

Remember when gaming was just about popping in a disc and playing a game.

[@likklegoon]

Lol

[@sylenzZ-80]

Thankfully those times are over and developers now have the possibilty to improve & tweak the overall experience as games become more & more demanding.

[@nicodimus2222]

Yeah I do...the dark times when you had no options.

[@phattjohnson]

Nope.. they were always CARTRIDGES, kid (and someone's gonna beat me with floppy discs or cassette tapes now..) :P

[@JB.zero.zero.1]

ZX81 type your own game

[@heatwaveps5]

my opinion in not sony fault or pssr games having problems it the 3rd party devs & they have pro dev kit since start jan we should expect more as gamers we paying for these games 50 to 70 or on ps this where the gamepass is crazy get everything for 19.99 a month

[@philbosh03]

Define everything can u get black myth hell divers 2 stellar blade astro bot final fantasy 7 or 16 spiderman horizon phantom blade zero. I can go on so where is that everything I'm confused

[@heatwaveps5]

@philbosh03 I have both console on ps we paying 50 to 70 a game right when gamepass all first party ea play ubisoft + & online & 3 months 60 which over 450 games hdr support tone mapping & fps boost sony subscription can not come close but I still like playstation more but xbox have the best subscription by a mile

[@philbosh03]

@heatwaveps5 lmao that's the problem they dont if u don't have ultimate it has 0 value and even then playstation plus is cheaper u still get the games gamepass gets plus u get the playstation bangers. Xbox is bringing their games over to playstation anyway so what real value does gamepass have over everything else. I haven't subscribed to ea or ubisoft so idk how they differ

[@heatwaveps5]

@philbosh03 in gamepass ultimate ea & ubisoft come with it on playstation side they sold as separate & sony need to add ps3 as download & not trash stream is don't like premium but extra worth the cost

[@alvinamana1459]

spoken like a true fanboy who has no idea what they are talking about. The game runs fine its not the 3rd party fault they made a game with quality sony promised they pro 5 could handle this and it coudln't These games run over 100 fps on pc even mid range and well over 60 for low range. This has nothing to do with developers you guys need to think for yourselves and stop repeating what some other brainless fanboy says with out knowing what you are talking about. Please explain how these 3rd party devs are supposed to make sony pssr make their games run perfectly on a ps5 pro? They made the game an allows pssr to do its thing pssr is brand new meaning its literal shyt use common sense. 2 years from now it will actually run like fsr and maybe dlss but its shyt now cause its brand new this has aboslutely nothing to do with 3rd party dev. Damn you guys are some of the dumbest people blaming dev for making quality games but not sony for up charging you and lying about 60 fps but giving you 40 fps mode or sony for literally only giving you remastered games for a brand new over priced console.

[@assassin3003]

Wish I never pre ordered frontiers of pandora on the seriesx when it came out, can't stand that fsr bs

[@julienping]

DLSS > TSR > XeSS > FSR > PSSR lol

[@Gremlin2427]

I bought a PS5 Pro. Am starting to feel a bit conned

[@HardBishop]

do you have an oled tv? if not i’d strongly recommend getting one, every game looks insane.

[@nicodimus2222]

Sell it and play on a regular PS5 then. What's stopping you?

[@juddmcelroy3888]

Play space marines 2,Spider-Man 2, ratchet and clank, helldivers 2, last of us 2, black myth wukong. Etc pssr done properly

[@freshprinz9829]

Bruh literally 3 games not correctly optimized for the hardware this is not on Sonys fault stop being dumb

[@pt8292]

@@freshprinz9829 It's Sony's fault that they are trying to force a wack PSSR on devs

[@wasupm]

Just have to face the fact that Ubisoft and Ea suck at optimising. Their games run like ass anyway, trusting them to newer software was never going to fare well.

[@djtomoy]

feels more like ps5 amateur (amateur is the opposite of professional you see 😄)

[@joepeglegmorgan3015]

Can you make dying light 2 ps5 pro review enhancments?which mode looks the best/has the highest graphics settings?

[@dragons_red]

Lol

[@apokalip6]

Me interesa un monton esa basura que vendieron como que era una 4070 jajaaj menos mal que por menos dinero en un mes tengo una 5070ti

[@FORZALEGEND360]

How to fix ps pro upgrades, turn off the ps pro upgrades 😂😂😂

[@robertlemonseed7075]

Maybe it's just me, but I don't feel like Avatar is pushing any graphics boundaries with PS5 PROFESSIONAL on my 65'' QN95A. It looks ok..., but distracting LOD pop-in (plus the image quality issues) doesn't take it past Forbidden West experience on PS5 amateur. Sure, the map is bigger, but graphically I was kind of expecting more (from 40fps mode). I guess a monster PC is still a way to go for true eye candy.

[@Irixion]

The Pro is an upgrade…not an update. If you have a PS5, then don’t buy one. What is it with all these people whining about? I don’t have a PS5, so my option would be buying the Pro rather than base.

[@jondough3339]

Stop glazing sony

[@germansherman7707]

the problem is not the pro, this studio is garbage. of course the pro and PSSR is a clear upgrade. but these games just sucks

[@420beffjezos]

I'm glad that you're happy paying the Concord Tax. We need more people like you who will subsidize future consoles!

[@GIO77ification]

Nope. Save yourself a few hundred and buy the base model with a disc drive. I’m pretty sure they can be found used for about 300-400 now vs $700 (no disc) for not that much better game play. People are upset that the next console is likely going to be modeled after the p5p meaning close to if not more than $700 and “major” performance increases locked behind AI that still needs to be optimized per game and developers currently don’t optimize the games they release to play consistently at 60fps with moderate settings at 1440p and 4k. That is what the console owners and buyers are upset about.

[@TEasy83]

You’re crazy 😂😂😂 I just got the Sony Bravia 8 it’s a night & day difference. Sony can’t control 3rd party, buy the 1st & 2 second party is going to kill it.

[@coffee.coyote]

Ubisoft should remove PSSR option from both these games. PSSR is great in some of the games, but here it makes only troubles and anti-advertisement for the technology.

[@DariusPL]

PS5 Pro already slightly discounted in my country at some retailers. It says a lot… I thought I would upgrade my base PS5 to Pro immediately after launch but I think I’ll simply forgo „relaxed couch gaming”, sell both PS5 and XSX, and stick with my 4090 PC full time. The gap between high end comps and consoles has simply grown way too significant for my liking (again, this cycle kind of repeats itself).

[@Etheral101]

So you were already a PC player. The rest smells like animal faeces

[@dragons_red]

It's the invention of the upscaling tech, not the hardware. It's a crutch that replaces good design and optimization, this whole gen of devs and those going forward aren't going to know those skills and just rely on upscaling AI. Your beloved PC platform isn't safe from it either.

[@DariusPL]

@@dragons_red I realize that. Still, a good PC has enough sheer rendering power to overcome those upscaling woes to a certain extent. Also, not an nVidia shill by any means but DLSS is good enough not to taint games with many of those nagging issues PSSR or even FSR are plagued with.

[@carlharrison3637]

UBSlop strikes again!

[@TheIndulgers]

$700 mid gen refresh and all you get is 936p 😂 This isn’t 2004 anymore. Why are people ok with this?

[@fcukugimmeausername]

It's because of the Pony Goal Post Moving Association (PGPMA), they spend each weekend moving the goal posts. Sony could have sold the Pro for $2500 and the PGPMA would have simply excused it as inflation.

[@christopherwhite2223]

Negative comments just dont stop

[@Nemesis2K]

PSSR 1.0 is a fail

[@Dr_KillShot]

Yep just like FSR and DLSS. 🙄💩🤡

[@sergeantsnugglez3228]

I think the biggest problem is that you are playing Ubisoft games.

[@CC42_]

Either way you look at it SW Outlaws and Avatar are incredibly disappointing patches ...this patch was simply corrective in nature...a "side grade" where is the UPgrade we are supposed to be getting with our $700 console? Silent Hill 2 is an even bigger disaster as they've only removed PSSR from the Performance mode ...why didn't they do anything to the Quality mode which is a disaster looking like a messy soup of noise and shimmering? Why can't we get any of these games that use RT heavily stable for a change? Its a joke ....we're supposed to have 2-3x improvement in Ray Tracing and 40% increase in GPU speed ...ok, so why then when you revert back to the original FSR aren't we getting any additional increase to resolution? None of these devs seem to be making smart decisions, on top of that PSSR is failing in these demanding types of games and the Pro isn't powerful enough to brute force its way to good image quality ...that all spells a disappointment on an $800 console. Sony being silent is not helping either.

[@lordspalse0062]

It's not Sony's fault that people cannot decipher good from evil with the brain God gave them. They can PSSRs off into orbit 😂😂

[@hdbfilmz7999]

The video thumbnail pretty much sums up this channel

[@ashleyjames89]

People who brought the ps5 pro brought it on the assumption that we didn’t have to choose Sony seemed to lie 😔🤨

[@randybradley4151]

Sony didn't lie. It's not their fault if a different company brings out a crappy Pro patch. Look at all of the Sony 1st party releases have been good and so far consistently been Ubisoft titles that have implemented pro settings that have caused a stir.

[@GBMatthew07]

What a complete waste of time and money this console is.

[@ChaosAngelZero]

Gotta fix da pss.

[@Scar-w8z]

I really regretted buying the ps5 pro. Blatant deception

[@bdgrey]

You 100% never bought one. The only people complaining about the console are people who are just looking for reasons to feel good about being stuck with the base model.

[@0037rmb]

@@bdgrey I've got one. The plan was to go back through the backlog and play games on it that were updated. The games? Jedi: Survivor and Silent Hill 2 I'm tempted to sell the box. It's become more trouble than its worth

[@bdgrey]

@@0037rmb Not one person who owns one thinks this way. No one is throwing away their PS5 Pro b/c of Jedi Survivor and a game that has already been fixed. Geez.

[@Scar-w8z]

@@bdgrey🤦‍♂️

[@bdgrey]

@@Scar-w8z Dude, you're over here pretending to be miserable over one fucking game. "Ohhhhh! Woe is me!!!! Jedi Survivor has grass shimmering! I hate the Pro! Who cares about the other 80+ games that have no issues! Worst decision of my life!" Please.

[@FirstNameLastName-xe4mx]

bruh sony should have just ported xess coz it looks as good as dlss and can already be used in any game that supports dlss . you can even swap xess to any game that supports dlss on pc .

[@PrinterMan1956]

I remember games at 1080p running at 60 fps. Where are these games now and what the **ll is going on where we need to go down to 720p to get there now??? So disappointing.

[@THATBOIYUNG]

Ps5 pro is a beast‼️‼️‼️‼️

[@34sld]

Why is this even news both those games are complete wank.

[@ByteSizedSociety]

I wondered why my Avatar save game on PS5 OG lost its 40 FPS quality mode setting, yesterday. It was because they changed it and incorrectly migrated the Save File's settings for this patch. It loaded up into 30 FPS quality mode. 😢 I was able to restore it, but I had to manually go to the settings and change it again. Ubisoft seems to be PC first. Console second.

[@emilgustavsson7310]

Oh shit. I'm glad you were able to click a few clicks. That super advanced shit ain't for everyone fr fr. Power-hugs n prayers for the next great challenge. Stay strong!

[@richt4472]

When you say that Outlaws is fixed have they also fixed the face? 🤫

[@mandrews6282]

They’ve talked about this in the past. It’s something with how they’re rendering cutscenes that can catch some bad angles. But in game, during gameplay, the character model looks like Humberly, and she’s not unattractive by any means (weird hair style aside as that’s going to be subjective). She has plenty of more form fitting and revealing outfits and crop tops in game as well so I think people really are going a bit down the rabbithole with this example.

[@sithmetal3930]

PS5 PRO is the biggest rip off ever

[@ramiyohay7286]

Naaa, you just a cheap loser 😂

[@chrisbrown113096]

It’s not but can you come up with something original besides repeating brainless KZbin comments ? Lmao

[@jeepsrtslw]

Says the person with a ps4

[@bjarnis]

They are beta testers for Sony's own upscaler, will probably have polished it by the time the ps6 is on the market.

[@chrisbrown113096]

@@bjarnisby that logic everyone on the planet is a beta tester.

[@ejs3589]

Damn...you just have to feel bad for Sony fanboys. It must be miserable having to defend the Ps5 pro daily 😂😂

[@TSPG1985]

PSSR just seems broken. Should have worked on it more and launched with PS6.

[@nicodimus2222]

If PSSR is broken, how do you explain all of the games that use it well?

[@TSPG1985]

@ is there such a game? Horizon, Dead Island, etc. Great PS5 Pro games that do not use PSSR

[@rudytay83]

Gt7, R&C , tlou , F1, and so many more works great with PSSR

[@TSPG1985]

@ GT7 only looks good with pssr in cockpit. Outside the car looks worse. Ratchet also has trade offs from previous tech. No matter how you swing it, PSSR wasn’t ready for release. I don’t like paying 700 bucks to be a beta tester.

[@rudytay83]

@TSPG1985 Most games I played look great with PSSR, but not all . But you can say the same about DLSS when it first came out. It was terrible and was only available in a few games . Just give it some time.

[@LegacyRap7777]

Yessir 🔥

[@emilgustavsson7310]

Wow... Playstation (no matter what model) really looks like shit. I guess the same goes for MS's version of a happy meal but jeeez this is rough... These gfx really are shit. It's insane to me how people with money can play with gfx like this when there is an option that is more than a gen ahead, regardless of the insane drag down from the consoles. Get a fkn PC ffs.

[@AJJJ-co2vd]

I've played star wars outlaws on the pro it looks really good play it and make your own decision

[@420beffjezos]

Or we can watch this DF video and not buy the Pro and pay the Concord tax.

[@emilgustavsson7310]

yeah it's shit in all aspects.

[@cheporestrepo]

Stop clapping to the ps5 pro as it is a good thing.. is not even an improvement, everything it does i could had been done with an internet update on ps5 base. Everything except for the little raytracing upgrade LMAO

[@BammsSippRoppHutzLeppSippLoi]

PlayStation 6 is so much better than PS5 Pro

[@HardBishop]

the ps6 hasn’t even been announced you idiot 😂

[@Kingofconsoles54]

PLAYS BEST ON PS5 PRO!!!! MEGA L FOR THE COCKBOX SERIES X FANQUEERS!!!!!!!!

[@DinnerIsDelayed]

Bots getting crazy. Trained on 2008 data

[@mikeuk666]

What a sad pathetic life for Ryan Miller

[@ratguy9281]

multibillion dollar corporation's strongest serf🙏🏾

[@timberry4250]

I’m sure this comment is on every DF video

[@Kingofconsoles54]

​@ratguy9281 Sony invests in talent while microcock invests in companies like COD games 😂😂😂😂.

[@jondough3339]

Fun fact: You wasted your money if you bought the pro

[@FallApartMan]

Naw, I’m happy with it.

[@robertmcmahon4549]

I love it for vr,nice step up.flatscreen not so much

[@randybradley4151]

I paid $228CAD for my PS5 Pro, 5 new games at launch and $525 worth of PlayStation Store cards. So ya, How did I waste my money?

[@jondough3339]

@@randybradley4151 to be fair, you’re Canadian. You’re money isn’t real to begin with

[@camacho6100]

They should just use Nvidia next gen

[@Prototypelife19999]

Both games suck who cares lol

[@Gosu9765]

It's almost as if this gen is not powerful enough to handle ray tracing and over-reliance on temporal techniques to bring blurry and artefact ridden images backfired, but what do I know. It's funny that the best looking game this gen (Horizon Forbidden West) relies on just bake lighting, SSR reflections, etc. and now with PS5 Pro i SO SHARP. It's not "PSSR implementation" thats the issue but the fact that the game's visuals are simply unstable. Same with lumen, same here. We are trading sharp SSR reflections (I know "reflections" is already in the acronym) for blobby, blurry - whatever the f$*c that is. Yes - ray tracing is the future... I know, but we are just not there guys. Please stop hyping it up for now. I love how you went from "pixel level detail" at the beginning of this gen to pumping up 720p artifact ridden games now because of RAY TRACING (because they paid to be precise).

[@jessvex]

Hey DF, you y’all walk or drive around the city on rainy nights and think “wow, look at all that raytracing! 😘🤌🏽”? 😆