Fixing D&D Dragons (by making them Sorcerers)

Dragons are THE Dungeons and Dragons monster, but what happens when you combine them with the Sorcerer class? Let's make a Sorcerer Dragon and find out!
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[@pointyhatstudios]

Happy New Year!!! Back and better than ever baby! (Dragon Stat Block Coming Soon Please Don't Be Mean Christmas Is Hard 👼)

[@felixelizondo950]

dude i love this new series!

[@LeonardoRubagotti]

You warn us when it come out right?

[@GustavoPereira-xw4zh]

A Cooking chicken dragon would be cool.

[@xavierhugo9269]

this series was unexpected....i support the series, continue on good sir

[@fuzzborne]

Yo any chance of subtitles on your video? I enjoy them but can't watch this one and can imagine there are other folks in the same boat.

[@andreashesseerichsen438]

Who needs a draconic bloodline sorceror, when you can have a sorcerors bloodline dragon!

[@andreashesseerichsen438]

Thats a great idea!

[@andreashesseerichsen438]

Yes indeed

[@philparis796]

Could even be a justification for a Draconic Bloodline Sorcerer. Maybe the Sorcerer was a villager taken by the dragon's family and after escaping with his life, the trauma and/or terror of the experience made them develop powers?

[@philparis796]

Could even be a justification for a Draconic Bloodline Sorcerer. Maybe the Sorcerer was a villager taken by the dragon's family and after escaping with his life, the trauma and/or terror of the experience made them develop powers?

[@peterbillings3276]

@@philparis796 certainly. As he says, that’s why he’s went this direction with it. The problem it seems to create though is that the dragon apparently *moderates* those powers-able to turn them off at a whim? If the dragon actively bestows them like a power plant instead of *causing* them via a one-time change (like a radioactive spider bite), doesn’t that change the way bloodline sorcerers work throughout the world? Doesn’t it also control your decisions related to the mafia dragon? I’ve never played warlock, but how could you ever go against your dragon/power source without LOSING YOUR CLASS? Dragons boss wants you to do something unethical, but you still want to be a sorcerer… Doesn’t seem like much of a choice! In general, I like this idea a lot, but I think I’d need to answer these questions before considering it done.

[@Divine4Aurora]

A power that can be taken away seems more warlock or cleric-ish, Sorcery's flavor is that the power is inherent to the user themselves, either through heritage or through being changed by some by a major magical exposure event. This episode's new dragon seems more like a warlock patron with the way you describe it and it's relation to it's horde members.

[@1Lanavis1]

I interpreted as the dragon themselves is sorcerer-flavored while their innate nature as an arcane battery basically makes their minions warlocks. Fits the fantasy of sorcerers being walking magic that can be used/drained to power others

[@thefallendeathlord7690]

Yep, I thought the same. If the magical power is given or taken at will, it's practically a magic contract.

[@antoniocastillopuga2004]

i did propose a dinasty of sorcerers presided by an adoption happy lizard asking why they don't have great grandchildren yet, but pointy do haves a point (badum tss) that halready used that bloodline angle in the hierarch video

[@antoniocastillopuga2004]

i do ask myself how the warlock dragon wil opperate to be distinct@@thefallendeathlord7690

[@theryter1361]

Technically a Warlock pact is a mix between A Wizard and A Cleric. In the players handbook the Relationship between a Warlock and their patron as something more akin to a student mentor relationship. Additionally the difference between A Warlock and a Cleric is The magic they use. A Cleric is a Divine Caster A warlock is an Arcane caster Divine Casters use magic that is Given to them, hence why they can Change their spell list after a long rest And arcane casters are people who LEARN their magic hence why it takes leveling up to change spells. A God can Take away both your Cleric spells and your cleric features features A warlock patron can take away your warlock features but not your warlock spells or Invocations. (Spells because you had to LEARN those spells by them teaching you, Invocations for the same reason. invocations are described as you studying Occult lore)

[@Aeon_Productions]

Pointy Hat is doing dragon stuff now. Are we sure this isn't a mimic taking over our favorite hat

[@RPG1118]

How sure are you???

[@viniciuscarvalho5592]

He just doesn't like how DND dragons are just flying Godzillas

[@ravio5868]

@@viniciuscarvalho5592Even though he's barely reading into Dragon societies. Definitely more than just flying godzillas. I'd recommend looking at a lot of Dungeon Dad's dragon videos.

[@ZanTeth55]

.... Roll a d20 for a perception check... (I think that's right. I'm not a DM, just a player.)

[@alanherlan3429]

@@ZanTeth55 I kid you not I rolled a natural 20!

[@Veelofar]

I’m genuinely more excited about a Monk dragon than I have been for many large personal triumphs in my life

[@MyRYNOrunsHot]

What animal theme/motif do you think it should have?

[@Veelofar]

@@MyRYNOrunsHot Lemon Shark. They’re known for being one of the more social sharks, and have a reputation for attacking in a way that stuns but doesn’t kill things it doesn’t intend to eat. Their faces also just look contemplative and thoughtful

[@MyRYNOrunsHot]

Interesting - I thought of Shark as a fit for Ranger, but this is also a cool idea.@@Veelofar

[@Veelofar]

@@MyRYNOrunsHot shark could also be good ranger material, but I think Wolf would fit ranger better

[@MyRYNOrunsHot]

Also valid - I think Pointyhat is using Wolf for either Fighter or Barbarian. @@Veelofar

[@roguegamer1173]

It’s gone from “never doing a video on dragons!!!” To two dragon videos in a row. All Nine Hells and each layer of the Abyss must have frozen over this Christmas!

[@naturesfinest2408]

It was only time. You cant avoid the second half of dnd. He did it in a way he woukd like, though, so Im good if hes good.

[@nathaniellindner313]

We’re all waking up to ash and dust because Pointy Hat is imagining dragons now

[@solalabell9674]

I mean aren’t the last couple layers of hell already frozen over anyway

[@solalabell9674]

I mean aren’t the last couple layers of hell already frozen over anyway

[@dexteradams248]

Admittedly, he's only doing this because his last dragon video has so many views, so he's just appealing to the algorithm to stay relevant. We should watch more of his other stuff to avoid stagnation and not suffer burnout.

[@Attaxalotl]

Green dragons aren't the only ones that take care of their kids. Blue dragons are really familial, even though they don't tend to work together (they tend to spread out, deserts are big). Purple dragons especially, they stick together like sovereign glue.

[@gavinbrown216]

Right, I was confused when he said that green dragons are the only ones that care about family because of the blue dragons. Blue dragons are so much about family that half the plot hooks for them in Fizban’s revolve around their families. Honestly, it’s such a big part of them that a blue dragon mafia family type thing works so well.

[@toetruck1589]

TWO CLASS BASED MONSTER SERIES INTERCHANGING EVERY TWO MONTHS??? THIS IS AMAZING

[@Bruh-zu9dm]

Your pfp leaves me disturbed.

[@toetruck1589]

@@Bruh-zu9dm Good.

[@GarlicPudding]

@@toetruck1589 It needs to brush its teeth....

[@bullettime1116]

​@@toetruck1589brush yo damn teeth

[@croissantdragon24]

"tHeRe ArE tOo MaNy DrAgOns!!! (angry hat noises)" *proceeds to make another dragon*

[@benjamincortez4259]

I am so glad that we can potentially get a warden dragon for each class. I loved the original dragon video and I hope this does just as well.

[@saddlerrye6725]

Okay, now I'm obsessed with the idea of a nanny dragon running an orphanage. Just imagine: the kids grow up and leave the building they grew up in, but never truly leave their Family. They might take up adventuring, but they always come back as often as they can, bringing back their earnings, their tales and maybe other orphans they met along the way. With time, the orphanage at the end of the small town grows into a town in it's own right as more and more children grow up and start a life near their true Home. When they start a family of their own, any child born is then entrusted to the Archon's Daycare together with the orphans. It could be a great backstory, maybe starting the adventuring job at the request of your Archon Nanny, looking for more people for the Hoard. A rare happy and fluffy reason to go out and risk your life XD

[@ethanemerson4862]

Maybe the Paladin dragon could be Eagle themed? For Rogue, I’d say either corvid, or snake themed.

[@sharondornhoff7563]

Corvid might make a good alternative motif for archon dragons, actually. Crows have very strong family bonds.

[@HallowedKeeper_]

Is rouge a new class in OneDnD?

[@ethanemerson4862]

@@sharondornhoff7563 I know right? If you fuck with a corvid, they will teach their friends and their own children who you are so they can gang up on you.

[@ethanemerson4862]

@@HallowedKeeper_ I meant to say “Rogue”. It’s fixed now.

[@EldritchOwl3141]

The only issue with the eagle theme is it's very American, which is fine in and of itself except paladins are very medieval themed beings and America didn't exist until the late 1700s. Way too late. I think eagle is a good choice but slightly less fitting than a unicorn or a bull.

[@theryter1361]

Fizbans actually did add alot of Lore, Recommended spells, goals, characteristics, and ways to customize Dragons including additional lair actions and Regional effects. I do Recommend Fizbans if your looking to make a series about new Dragons

[@steel5315]

You could have made the Archon Dragons a Ram. They live in large groups, have horns just like the Archon Dragon and females are even called Nannys

[@RailfoxStudios]

Was wondering if anyone was gonna bring this up, lmao

[@disgruntledbob2812]

Full support. Rams are cool they need more draconic representation

[@ZyvenZ]

That's what I thought is was until the reveal.

[@stingerjohnny9951]

@@disgruntledbob2812 Plus it should be easy to form a dragon head to resemble a goat. Both have horns and long snouts. Though I could see a running joke where, due to their boxy eyes, the dragon always looks like it’s distracted even when it’s paying attention to you 🤣

[@RailfoxStudios]

@@stingerjohnny9951 knowing how goat eyes work, it’s safe to say that they would see you and your hijinks from a mile away. Goats can see basically anything in a radius around their heads, they’d see your goofy ass trying to pull pranks on the other orphans even if you’re right behind them.

[@boomfanfic-a-latta8996]

The fact that Pointy Hat hates dragons but has decided to do a whole SERIES on dragons feels like either irony, character development, or the greatest practical joke of all time. But no matter which it is, it’s such a power move. And I will never complain because Warden Dragons are so freaking cool of a concept.

[@johndavis4236]

The concept of Warden Dragons is awesome. I really hope he writes a campaign setting based on it

[@RomLoneWolf23]

Always remember that when it comes to your complaints about Dragon stats and abilities, the problem with 5e Dragons is that they're RIDICULOUSLY simplified from their older edition versions. Green Dragons USED to have cool spell-like abilities for manipulating both plants and people (they had Charm Person AT WILL), and could camouflage themselves in woodlands. They lost ALL of those traits while coming over to 5e. Dragons got NERFED. Edit: And apparently there's a variant ruleset that gives Dragons innate spellcasting IN the Monster Manual.

[@frankshcleuterbomb2538]

Yep. Its an optional rule becuase dragons can be super dangerous already, and an archmage is like CR 9 despite a really weak statblock just becuase it has spells...

[@mrmars4939]

I believe you would find most of what you’re referring to in the regional and lair statistics section of the green dragon.

[@Matanlimer]

This is true if you ignore the regional effects of dragons, their lair actions, and the rule that lets you grant them spellcasting. Its almost as though only reading the stat blocks only gives you partial information.

[@2g33ksgamingttv3]

​@Matanlimer yeah it was weird hearing him complain about how green dragons are supposedly plant connected despite having no plant abilities in the Stat block while both the regional effects and lair actions are fairly plant heavy. The lair actions and regional effects are just as important for the storytelling of legendary monsters as the Stat block is.

[@RETROID4500X]

I’m now convinced that pointy hat simply doesn’t like reptiles. He redesigns all his dragons to be very non reptilian looking. The only reptilian race he talked about was Dragonborn (because they’re a core race in 5th edition is my assumption) and the twist he gave them was turning them into humans with bits of dragon parts attached to them, so very non reptilian. In his Dragons are BAD video he called dragons big flying lizards and said that’s fine for people who like that sort of look. Which leads me to believe he doesn’t like reptiles or consider them pretty enough to be aesthetically pleasing to make characters. Pointy hat hates reptiles, that’s my takeaway from all this and it saddens me since I love reptiles so much and half the characters I’ve created are Dragonborn or lizard people or snake people.

[@chaos8271]

ok cool and ur point? plenty of ppl dont like reptiles they creep lots of ppl out

[@RETROID4500X]

@@chaos8271 They’re not that scary or creepy. They’re usually misunderstood and get a bad wrap for it. And they’re really beautiful. My point is it saddens me that my favorite D&D KZbinr doesn’t seem to like reptiles at all and reptiles are one of my great loves.

[@gbcls]

​@RETROID4500X everyone likes and dislikes different things. Personally I think reptiles are overused because it's easy to play off the unnerving mythos and actual appearance they have. But I'm glad you can appreciate them. (Would not force my opinion on you)

[@jacobodom8401]

As a fellow Reptile fan this is indeed fairly disappointing

[@pontusleblanc1481]

Yeah I hate all his dragon designs. They don't look like the dragons I like.

[@pabloantoniomendozamartine6046]

As a wise dragon lady once said: "There is no war so hateful to the gods as a war between kin , and no war so bloody as a war between dragons."

[@claytonharting9899]

Woo! I’m so here for this series! The very first story I ever remember hearing was one my mom told me about a dragon. It started with the typical village being occasionally lightly singed by the typical dragon, as is typical. So the typical king sent a typical knight to go slay the dragon. But when the knight got there, he found not an entitled, imposing monster, but instead he found the dragon crying. All he ever wanted was to have friends, he was tired of living alone in his cave. But he couldn’t stop breathing fire, it was like a medical thing. So the knight, realizing this was no monster, decided to solve both problems at once. He sat down and offered to be the dragon’s friend. I’ve loved dragons ever since. To me, personally, they represent friendship and the good that can be found in almost anyone, no matter how misunderstood. I always appreciate it in stories when dragons are depicted as people. If they’re evil, it’s not by nature, but by choice. Fighting a villainous dragon isn’t a sad story of a wild animal that needs to be put down, it’s a struggle against a monster who chose to do the evil they did. And on the other hand, approaching a dragon could be done to seek, or even offer, help to someone who can chose to do good. And often has the power to do great good, if only they choose to.

[@andreashesseerichsen438]

Do a monk next since it is already established that dragons sometimes start monastaties. And it would make sense with the way of the dragon monk.

[@peterbillings3276]

🥇

[@hajot2582]

Like Ojutai

[@GarlicPudding]

A dragon just...punching stuff is hilarious.

[@AmitsBanana]

@@GarlicPudding The dragon's breath weapon is just a big fist that comes out of its mouth lol

[@antoniocastillopuga2004]

what animal would a monk dragon be?

[@Scream_Lord]

What's funny about "exposure to cosmic forces" can be anything from "I got Magic Radiation Poisoning" to "I got struck by lightning and lived."

[@annekeener4119]

Interesting idea. The horde also helps explain how dragonborns occur. Some dragons like establishing blood ties with their horde, helping to keep them loyal.

[@banann_ducc]

*halfdragons

[@torunsmok5890]

Dragonborn are their own race from a realm ruled by dragons where they were... Interns... Like kobolds but more rebellious. In official 5e lore they actually have a deep-rooted hatred for all dragon kind and those who worship them

[@sethketa]

@@torunsmok5890 Did you know that dragonborn were originally mortal races that basically ascended via a ritual to become dragonborn? With the great 4th Edition Rewrite, they were made to be a base race, rather than a template. Sadly, many templates died to bring us 4th Edition and 5th Edition. :(

[@Skincrawler_bandit]

So bassicaly Warden dragon - Join my team hooman Green dragon - Be my slave Archon Dragon - family hooman

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

Patron Dragon - (contract in hand) WANNA BE A MEMBER, WANNA BE A MEMBER

[@deathstinger13]

Archon dragons are a sub-type of warden dragons, as are magus dragons.

[@tomcurl8034]

If nothing else, the fact that green dragons care about their offspring, makes me respect them a little bit more than if they didn’t

[@TheHornedKing]

Blue dragons care about their offspring too.

[@GarlicPudding]

I imagine an adult dragon scolding their hatchling for eating some "interns" like a kid who broke a vase.

[@Fyre19]

If only he got his lore right

[@PlumpProductions-wj3jp]

Even then, taking in slaves is not really a good thing.

[@skullinthejar]

I feel like this is more of a Warlock dragon. Since it bestows powers to those who join its family (make a deal with it), and is capable of taking that power back if they leave the family (break the deal). While sorcery is either a birthright, or an exposure to something that fundamentally changes their nature, and can't just be taken back by whatever gave them the power.

[@arkdirfe]

I feel the same, sorcery has no take backsies, unless the DM finds an extraordinary circumstance that makes sense. The dragon itself works well enough as a concept, but the sorcery just feels a little tacked on to be honest.

[@quban234]

I like the idea of using a moon dragons as a sort of archon dragon for Lycanthropes. They give them power to control the curse but can also leverage this control and influence their feral side.

[@ThePa1riot]

Oh that’s rife for abuse! Which could make the Archon Dragon a great villain! A mob boss dragon that controls its syndicate but holding basically their own souls as hostage.

[@quban234]

@@ThePa1riot There are many different ways you could twist it. False secret harmonic community where lycanthropes are going through some secret ritual that purifies their curse, but in reality they are becoming mindless minions to the dragon. Poor lycanthrope victims could also get trapped in a sort of addict scheme, where they need to do whatever the dragon tells them to do unless they want their feral side to come back.

[@evanmcclellan8328]

This totally could be used to create a butler guild where they learn together how to best care for others and those in the guild

[@jmd9402]

6:59 I went to the ancient green dragon page in dnd beyond and found these two lair actions Grasping roots and vines erupt in a 20-foot radius centered on a point on the ground that the dragon can see within 120 feet of it. That area becomes difficult terrain, and each creature there must succeed on a DC 15 Strength saving throw or be restrained by the roots and vines. A creature can be freed if it or another creature takes an action to make a DC 15 Strength check and succeeds. The roots and vines wilt away when the dragon uses this lair action again or when the dragon dies. A wall of tangled brush bristling with thorns springs into existence on a solid surface within 120 feet of the dragon. The wall is up to 60 feet long, 10 feet high, and 5 feet thick, and it blocks line of sight. When the wall appears, each creature in its area must make a DC 15 Dexterity saving throw. A creature that fails the save takes 18 (4d8) piercing damage and is pushed 5 feet out of the wall’s space, appearing on whichever side of the wall it wants. A creature can move through the wall, albeit slowly and painfully. For every 1 foot a creature travels through the wall, it must spend 4 feet of movement. Furthermore, a creature in the wall’s space must make a DC 15 Dexterity saving throw once each round it’s in contact with the wall, taking 18 (4d8) piercing damage on a failed save, or half as much damage on a successful one. Each 10-foot section of wall has AC 5, 15 hit points, vulnerability to fire damage, resistance to bludgeoning and piercing damage, and immunity to psychic damage. The wall sinks back into the ground when the dragon uses this lair action again or when the dragon dies.

[@vaclavmusil1197]

There's also two of the Regional Effects: • Thickets form labyrinthine passages within 1 mile of the dragon’s lair. The thickets act as 10-foot-high, 10-foot-thick walls that block line of sight. Creatures can move through the thickets, with every 1 foot a creature moves costing it 4 feet of movement. A creature in the thickets must make a DC 15 Dexterity saving throw once each round it’s in contact with the thickets or take 3 (1d6) piercing damage from thorns. Each 10-foot-cube of thickets has AC 5, 30 hit points, resistance to bludgeoning and piercing damage, vulnerability to fire damage, and immunity to psychic and thunder damage. • Within 1 mile of its lair, the dragon leaves no physical evidence of its passage unless it wishes to. Tracking it there is impossible except by magical means. In addition, it ignores movement impediments and damage from plants in this area that are neither magical nor creatures, including the thickets described above. The plants remove themselves from the dragon’s path. Honestly, I have no idea why he didn't mention any of these. Although they're not in the statblock itself, they are still something the dragon can do. I personally think these are pretty cool even if they're a bit simple for a "legendary creature" that a dragon is supposed to be.

[@Sellesion]

I love these dragons but the continued contact the members of the hoard have to have with with the dragon, and the fact that the dragon can take the power away, really makes it feel more like a pact. Giving Warlock dragon vibes.

[@kamiwriterleonardo6345]

A suggestion for the Paladin Dragon, you could use Eagles as inspiration for their design. I've seen MANY Paladin like warriors using the Eagle as a symbol of power, might and justice.

[@dbalwochus]

A stag might work too

[@antoniocastillopuga2004]

a stag might be better for a druid@@dbalwochus

[@aspookylich4153]

Honestly, this is what I love about the Warden Dragon idea; It is so malleable and great for both DMs and Players. I would like to see you implement them into the DND lore, maybe they are an offshoot of the first world Tiamat, Bahamut, and Sardior ruled.

[@theofficerfactory2625]

So in a syndicate; we can see Chicago gangland style war on the streets or the tong war or the Irish mafia in New York? I love it! Kobolds with greaser hair style, tiefling in zuit suits and outcasts with switch blades fighting it out on the streets.

[@ElishaFollet]

How would a kobold have a greaser hair style? Do they just put on a wig and dowst it with grease?

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

Yakuza?

[@samaelreidrev4938]

Although I love this I wonder if the concept doesn't hit to close to the warlock ? It's gonna be very fun to see how you reinvent the warden dragon to fit the warlock concept while staying unique^^

[@cablefeed3738]

Yeah, if it were me, I'd have it as just being a part of the syndicate makes you a Sorcerer not even the dragon Controls it. If the syndicate sees you as its member subconsciously then you have the potential to become a sourcerer.

[@Trefox87]

Warlock dragon tap into an unknown link between the dragon and the warlock, with the dragon being unable to manifest to anyone but the linked person, thus making them appear to be a more powerful force themselves but really just a puppet for the real dragon. Sort of taking from the cult of personality mindset that many cults have, only to reveal to the warlock "Oh I really did make a deal with a greater power" but no one else can know about it directly, and maybe even having the dragon by default appear as the pact item, so familiar has the dragon as a small pseudo dragon, blade has the dragon form a draconic shard, and tome has one of those books with a face on it that talks. This all in turn means the dragon must form their hoard indirectly through a select few followers expected to bring in new cultists, and it eventually becomes a pyramid scheme of followers all serving the dragon without knowing they're serving the dragon

[@cliftonhunt1185]

​@cablefeed3738 It would be cool if being in close proximity to the Archon Dragon is what grants the sorcerous power. Those closest to the Archon (the inner circle) almost always become sorcerers, but even those with minimal contact can still pick up sorcerous powers. The syndicate keeps a close eye on all who are exposed to the Archon, and ruthlessly eliminates anyone whom they perceived as a threat, thus controlling the flow of the power. The Archon can't cut off the sorcerer's power (that's more of a warlock thing), but if you betray the family you'll get "Il bacio della morte".

[@Sparkle8205]

I mean, my warlock has his patron be a giant evil space dragon, and it’s also where some of her power comes from.

[@gman1515]

Ye he definitely just described a warlock patron

[@mastercrash0683]

If and when you decide to do the lich for the warlock class, my suggestion would be to have it as though the one becoming the lich has to usurp power from their patron. Normally a patron and a warlock both agree to be in a pact, or the patron has the upper hand, but in this case the warlock has gotten strong enough to tip the scales. Perhaps they are leaching power from their patron through a ritual, or they found their patron’s true name and have bound it to serve them. In this case, the liches soul is bound within their patron somehow. The lich would have to work constantly to prevent the patron from escaping. This was the best I could think of, if anyone has feedback please tell

[@joefowler6285]

Was just having a massive pointy hat binge and this pops up! Amazing! I'm using your monk of the flesh and I love it so much! It's so fun and not game breaking!

[@berkayotkur6617]

First, let me say you are one of my favorite homebrew creators. I do have a critique on this idea, though. This dragon seems more like a warlock patron than a sorcerer dragon. You even said that the dragon can take powers away. You said they "find that their sorcerous powers were never truly theirs." That is the exact adversarial relationship that many warlocks have with their patron. Yes, you could say that it's different, because people develop powers just by being in proximity to the sorcerer dragon ("exposure to cosmic forces") instead of signing a pact, but the end result is still a PC conditionally borrowing power from a patron, which can be taken away very easily. Two possible solutions to this: 1. The dragon bestows power, but once a person receives it, it is intrinsically part of the person, and the dragon has to fully delete them to take the power back (creating high stakes for the PC who is running to keep both their powers and their life). OR. 2. The sorcerer dragon (an innately magical being), seeks sorcerers (who are also innately magical). The dragon gives the sorcerers community and teaches them how to unlock and/or control their innate abilities. In return, the dragon's own sorcerous power grows as his hoard grows- and the more varied the sorcerous origins of his hoard members, the more control the dragon gains over the raw, tempestuous weave of magic. Personally, I like number 2 better. :) I'm looking forward to the rest of this series! Keep up the great work!

[@jaceg810]

About green dragons: If you squint hard enough green dragons have plants represented in their "stat block" as their lair actions are plant themed

[@spiritvdc5109]

I'm really hoping to see more of these, they have so much potential ^^ And like any dragon's horde, it'd be a shame to leave the set incomplete xDD

[@triccele]

There's something with the Warden Dragons that doesn't feel right... If every Warden Dragon can make only one prince and then dies, doesn't that means there's an static number of them? Even more, if someone kills a warden dragon and they can't make a new prince in time, then there's one less warden dragon in the world.

[@aydenmcfly1362]

Ah yes a creature being finite is a darn shame... Extinction is a real frightening prospect hmm........

[@TaCo0oCaT]

@@aydenmcfly1362every creature is an island

[@ThePa1riot]

That could be a feature rather than a bug. Maybe there’s only one kind of Warden Dragon for each class in the world or otherwise a finite number of them. That lends them rarity and a sense of awe, as well as urgency. Like the “if you’re killed in the Avatar state, than the reincarnation cycle will be broken, and the Avatar will cease to exist.” So the Warden Dragons have a desperate need to choose that Prince and preserve their essence because once it’s gone from the world, it’s gone forever.

[@Cryskim12]

I'm just going to wait for u to do a ton of this and make a campaign about this. For real is the best idea I ever heard

[@TsulaAngenati2292]

I forgot to post this on your other dragon video but since you mentioned that dragons don’t have a lot of non-combat related stuff so I thought I’d give some options for some •White dragons - They are functionally animals so unlike other dragons they might have a secondary (Beast) type which- is an old concept but could work. Anyway, this type would allow them to be reasoned with with speak to animals as they may be too primitive for draconic and may allow higher level Druids to wild-shape into them -Giants might ask to hunt them and vice versa -Smarter white dragons may like hunting for sport and could even welcome some people they see as honorable along to their hunts -The more bestial ones that are reasoned with could still ask for adventurers to guard their eggs or go out to get supplies for their nest •Black dragons -They are really hard to think of non-combat ideas for… the only one I can think of is that a party could help calm down a Hag and Black Dragon in some truce that, if it goes south, might level the whole swamp and the villages near it •Green dragon -They collect people to use as tools to further their (political/territorial) power for their own gain and are machiavellians -If the party meets the green dragon’s interest they could exchange a deal for some item or favor from the dragon in return for the dragon calling them for a favor (whether it be to further their power through blackmail or assassination or something else is left to the dragon’s whim) -As long as a town can meet ends meet or meet some untold price to the green dragon they may receive protection and could trade goods with the green dragon’s syndicate •Blue Dragon -They seem to be obsessed with magic items but they also seem to let their slaves trade with others so maybe they run black markets and underground casinos in deserts -If the previous idea works they could barter to give/get magic items from a party or may play a game with a wager with them to get something. Due to their pride they refuse to cheat •Red Dragon -They are obsessed with news and knowing information of neighboring kingdoms (seems more like a Green Dragon thing but okay) so they could request the party for espionage or for the latest gossip -Their request for info might be strategic but maybe red dragons are just really passionate and love listening to humanoid quarrels like it’s a soap opera (which reminds me of Alastor for some reason)

[@Samaru163]

Black Dragons love things that come from old and ruined civilizations. Maybe it has hired the party to collect an ancient relic from the territory of a stronger dragon?

[@thomascowling9930]

I’ve always imagined Green Dragons collect people in a similar fashion as Trazyn the Infinite

[@seanmcfadden3712]

Nice idea for a series, Pointy Hat. I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with. I do have a suggestion. Please get Treasury of Dragons (or look up the subclasses provided in it online) before making a Warden Dragon for the Monk Class. There's a Monk subclass in it called "The Way Of The Ascendant Dragon" which would be perfect for it to specialize in teaching its followers. It could even borrow some of the mechanics, such as choosing elemental damage of each attack.

[@redcat4505]

PLEASE keep making more amazing dragons like you've done so far, seeing as ya started with the wizard and now sorcerer I'm guessing Bard is going to be the in the later vids. Though I'm VERY excited to see the rest with what ya brilliantly come up with

[@tannerorlund9643]

Love that you are covering dragons now pointy and I can’t wait to see more of the series. My only gripe is that this feels very warlock like having power bestowed upon them as long as they work for them. And on top of that we already know that some sorcerers are already made from having draconic blood. I like it being tied to family tho, what if it was something like the dragon has passed their heritage across the lands and then when their descendants are old enough they gather them back like a long lost family reunion type deal lol. Just an idea

[@zerospaceca3376]

As my New Year's resolution, I want to try and praise the content creators I enjoy. Pointy Hat, this was yet another amazing video from you. It's apparent that a lot of work has gone into your creations. They're compelling, and more importantly, useable at the table. Any table at all. In fact, I've already got a plot for my Tuesday night game that uses the lore of the Vigil, adjusted to fit into the area of the world my group is exploring. To keep it brief, you don't get a divinely appointed bodyguard without people assuming you're some sort of god-king. But, back to the warden dragons, given the nature of the Archon Dragon, I'm really curious to see what you cook up for Rogues. But most of all, Thank You for what you do. For ALL you do.

[@thesausageman5388]

Plot twist: Pointy Hat is a Bard Dragon and we’re all part of the horde.

[@noblesseoblige319]

How is this not a warlock? Devote yourself, get power. Prove loyalty, get more. Abandon or betray, lose power. I mean, there's even a CHOICE in the matter, the very specific thing you mentioned is necessary for telling the difference between warlocks and sorcerers. Simple solution would be to do like mafia and have a turf. Everyone who dwells in the turf becomes part of the hord whether they like it or not, and most can't understand or even control the power without joining the syndicate. Maybe even say it can go out of control without the dragon consistently balancing their magic. The will of the dragon and concent of the person wouldn't be necessary for gaining or losing powers, just like it isn't for a sorcerer generally

[@tbohn10]

Perhaps the dragon can control up to a d3 number of familiars who can go beyond that range

[@pierceh4673]

Great video and i really like the idea! I do feel like it steps on warlock's toes a bit too much, if it were me (it isnt) i would have gone for something based around arcane blood transfusions, where the dragon gifts its family draconic blood and all the power that comes with it, since i feel like the bloodline part is more heavily associated with sorcerers and their class identity. The mafia theme is wonderful tho!

[@kdavidsmith1]

Pointy's hatred of D&D dragons is awesome. I hope to one day be able to reach this level of pettiness. These Warden Dragons are Pointy's top content tied for first with the lich videos.

[@Wiepresi]

The Archon Dragon‘s artwork reminds me of Teostra from the Monster Hunter games. Now, Teostra is my favorite monster in the whole genre. Naturally, I love this. Keep going, I can already tell that this series is going to be a huge success! :)

[@pulji6721]

Yes king! Everything you put out is always straight fire. Currently running a world in which the major factions are run by one of each of your lich variants and its a ton of fun. Looking forward to all the draconic goodness.

[@Drakonaut]

Super excited to see "Barbarian Dragon" as I had a subrace dragon I tried it with where they could just muscle through almost every type if dragon. Also had a thing I called "War blood" where they could essentially stop themselves from bleeding for a "short" time [till they passed out from obvious]. Hope for inspiration.

[@somefrenchguy2091]

MORE ! I WANT MORE ! (Very good content by the way, my favorite serie from you with he liches one)

[@Kelly-np2xq]

As someone who grew up on mob movies and fantasy movie this made me so happy 😊 I have an image of a dragon drinking whisky listening to Sinatra ❤

[@maximilliansummers3725]

Once again, you've knocked it out of the park. Whoever buys D&D from WotC should give serious consideration to hiring you

[@brianmoyachiuz905]

I'm glad I finally knew the difference between Sorcerers and Wizards

[@MyRYNOrunsHot]

Best comparison I've seen to explain Sorcerers is basically a mutant from X-Men.

[@diablo.the.cheater]

Sorceror is the class for when you want to have one parent or ancerstor be some powerful being but without homebrewing a race or for when you want todo the clan with special powers thing or just straight up a mutant

[@colinmceldowney7539]

Very big fan of the archon dragon! I've used other originals from this channel to much success at my table. I look forward to putting this in my next campaign! Keep up the good work!

[@ThefifthBishopofGord]

Your idea of the archon dragon reminded me of the Dungeon Dad’s reimagining (not sure if that is the correct term) of purple dragons for the newest addition. The most noticeable difference besides one being chromatic and the other not being chromatic is that the purple dragon keeps ties with their parents even after adulthood. Additionally with an idea of the purple dragons running guilds, that came from that video, makes a purple dragon crime family that runs stuff behind the scenes a very believable norm for purple dragon families.

[@nikelboi]

I really love the concept! I hope you would tackle certain jobs like alchemists, smiths, scribes, or even tailors as concepts for your warden dragons or even liches after you finish the main dnd classes. Looking forward for the next ones!!!

[@Silverstar-wt5rj]

I would love to see the druid dragon next! My recently started campaign has a druid with a secretly draconic patron, and I'd love to see the statblock so I could get some inspiration.

[@juanandrestelis1377]

Both Dragons are amazing for worldbuilding. I want to run a campaign where a cataclysm destroyed the world and the only cities that survived where the ones with a warden. And even though this communities are amicable with each other, the are rivals for the only resource that they want... People. That would make it like factions trying to convince the PCs to join them. Bro, every video you make is a source of inspiration for me. Thank you so much.

[@shirkingviolet6018]

This looks great, though the people in the archon's hoard feel more like warlocks than sorcerers (people who get power explicitly from a higher being that can be revoked at anytime rather than inherently magical beings).

[@sir_gort]

Warlocks do not get their powers revoked upon a falling out with their patron. Clerics are tithed to their deity, hence they lose all powers upon abandonment. Paladins become oathbreakers when deviating from their current oath. Warlocks are like contractors, so whatever powers they are given, they keep.

[@shirkingviolet6018]

​@churchofgort Right, mb. Still feels weird that these sorcerers can get their magic revoked, though.

[@noahfishman2142]

Honestly really cool, love it. Also I love the “wilder” side of these families. Mom just has to keep you on your toes

[@flooferderp2918]

One idea I love about this is exploring themes of connection, abandonment, love. Imagine a sorcerer who is the oldest in a syndicate mostly comprised of children, trying to be responsible while also worrying what example they set and if their Archon loves them like the others. Or, a Warlock, who betrayed their Archon or was betrayed by them, but in need of power latched onto another power source from a place of vulnerability

[@XXMasterFlex]

draconic bloodline is perfect you are chosen as the prince, and as you do more tasks for the dragon throughout the story, you become more dragon-like and powerful

[@Wraithward]

I'd give my life for the Family if I could have even a fraction of this -guy's- hat's creativity, goddamn. Also, as someone who finds sorcerers, especially draconic sorcerers, really boring- inspiring me to want to play one is nothing short of impressive. Love this channel so much.

[@plantingbutter5435]

Dude your videos have inspired me to make a campaign with some of your entities that you have created! The concepts you come up with have changed the way I see D&D in amazing ways. Keep up the amazing work! I have a interesting challenge for you, Can you make a Fighter Lich? Either a basic class fighter or even a subclass from fighter that gives them spell casting? So they can achieve this?

[@snowblind4062]

Did the stat block drop and if so can someone point me to where or give a link

[@JinzoTK]

Favourite part of these videos is the kiss at the end. Makes me feel special.

[@crazymonkey7083]

For warlock you can base the dragon on penguins, the most loyal and fearsome bird in the world

[@theplusultraz-fighter2761]

OMG i just love these videos! I cant wait for the next! hopefully you do fighter dragons soon, I'd be really intreasted in what you'd do with it!

[@Gamerdrone497]

Yay, another dragon video.

[@paszczar3352]

I loooove this vibe with sorceress that live a long life, where they are some kind of dictators who has secretly been a ruler of a massive territory for centuries. It so cool and easy to run campaign with

[@DimaJeydar]

“Stronger as they become older” is a thing from Tolkien lore where the older something or someone is the stronger it is.

[@ClarionMumbler]

I just wanted to say that the stupid little kiss you do at the end always makes me feel a bit better for whatever reason. Cheers!

[@martinjimenez2884]

I feel the dragon being able to take the power from those that abandon the family moves this too close to Warlock territory.

[@tiph3802]

Funnily enough, nowhere in the books is a patron stripping a warlock of their powers mentioned. It's just a thing most DMs/players do. I mean, it makes sense.

[@quantumraptor1485]

I’ve been waiting for this, I wanna make a evil queen that controls a cult and as the hero’s go to face her she performs a ritual to become a dragon, and if buffed/supported by her cult members

[@dustylynn6891]

Omg……Antonio this is soooooo good! Everything you create is so fresh and interesting - but this is just fantastic! I love the whole concept, the story is on point, and the art is just mwah! This is going to be my new character, hands down! And I hate dragons! But you’ve converted me!

[@dallasmeeker5577]

one of my favorite parts about this series already is that it has basically infinite variety for heavy homebrew class users like myself. at the end of the series i would love to see a document for the basic ideas that go to archon dragons mechanically so we can basically make an archon dragon for any conceivable homebrew class.

[@NeonBlacklightTH]

Me: Where is the stat block for your Archon Dragon, it's been over two months now. Pointy Hat: You like Orcs?

[@SpeedSpawn78]

I so hope he hasn't given up on this statblock, I really want to see his take on this

[@NeonBlacklightTH]

@@SpeedSpawn78Given how he hasn't gotten around to dropping the stat block during this time, how he hasn't made any announcement as to when or why the stat block hasn't dropped, or anything of the sort (and believe me I looked everywhere that so much held a hint on the Sorcerer Dragon and I found NOTHING), it's more than likely he had abandoned the whole dragon project all together.

[@SpeedSpawn78]

@@NeonBlacklightTH I mean this is a viable interpretation, but we could theorize anything I personally choose to believe he'll work on it for the next dragon rework, I'm sure there's gonna be more just like there were a lot of different liches

[@NeonBlacklightTH]

@@SpeedSpawn78Yeah on the one hand, the whole dragon project of his is good as dead if not the stat block for the Sorcerer Dragon in general, which sucks mind you, but given some of the backlash against him and his overall opinion on D&D Dragons it's kind of understandable as to why he may have decided to end the dragon series early and never touch it again. On the other hand, looking up on his Twitter/X, he seems to be on vacation of sorts with what I assume that his more recent videos having most likely been ones on the backburner he had if he ever decided to go on a vacation. Because some KZbinrs will have an extra video or two stashed away within their logs whenever they have to leave KZbin for a long period of time whether it be for medical reasons or in this case personal reasons so that KZbin's algorithm doesn't go and put them on the chopping block.

[@SpeedSpawn78]

@@NeonBlacklightTH yes it looks like he has been busy with other stuff lately. It's true a lot of people argued with these dragons, mostly because of their appearance, but it appears to me that the mechanics are still very much appreciated. Even though you're showing fair points, I don't believe the dragon series is done, I'm sure if he decides not to pursue this project further he will announce it. I still have a lot of time before I have to use this statblock as I have implemented a sorcerer warden dragon as the head of a syndicate in the campaign I'm running, and there's plenty of time before they meet him. So there's no reason for me to be impatient for now. But I get that other people might want to run this sooner.

[@dientimuri3956]

These warden dragons are such an interesting idea. I have never liked how typical D&D dragons barely stray from the almost inactive obstacle boss monster in a distant lair. It's a lot more fun seeing players' shocked expressions upon seeing a dragon doing something mundane in a city like just buying goods from the market. The game feels more fantastic when any sapient creatures act like people, not just objectives.

[@Mastattak]

The video is really cool, but once again I’m surprised that you consider 5E dragons not varied, there’s soooo much you can do with each of them with the monster manual only, let alone with Fizban’s! It’s just weird, I feel like I read a different monster manual than you 😂 That being said, this is a super cool series, I’m curious to see the others

[@Samaru163]

I agree. He makes the dragons sound so boring, but honestly, you could make these Arcon Dragons easily with the existing ones. Blue Dragons are perfect for mafia bosses, and Gold, Silver, and Bronze dragons love to lead organizations of righteous humanoids.

[@tiph3802]

​@Samaru163 yeah, the Arcon is basically a blue dragon with a cool ass backstory.

[@Drum_Runner]

Thank you for these. I have already begun attempting to bring these Warden Dragons into my own game. I did come up with a Cleric one, though I feel others may have done so too. It's just my own version: The Hierophant Dragon. One who believes they are chosen by a deity to spread their message. Their horde is a congregation of priests, nuns, acolytes, and even healers. Hierophant dragons resemble goats and sheep. With large horns (sometimes 2 sets), curly hair running down them, blocky-teeth, and claws that could resemble hooves when closed. They will set up in small churches or ruins of one and build up their congregation from there. Again, thank you for the inspiration!

[@shifusdad]

honestly bear dragons would be a really good fit for paladins since they lost lions to sorcerers.

[@heliosfromacrossastar878]

Two dragon videos in 3 weeks? Who hurt you, mr. Pointy hat? 😢But seriously, it is extremely helpful and inspiring for my campaign, which features dragons quite heavily. The standard D&D lore makes me want to claw my eyes out, make them a soul tupperware and become an evil sexy lamp in my lair so I don't have to deal with uwu good Bahamut or big bad evil Tiamat. It is nice to have some fresh perspective, I am trying to say.

[@MakinItRain24-7]

This is perfection "mother" is so wholesome but eerie and evil at the same time and I love it

[@Alf_Alfgo]

Is the statblock out already?

[@eryiose2189]

A month after the video and the statblock isn't there still.

[@althelor]

It is now.

[@gabevilleneuve2468]

I love this series and cant WAIT to see which one you do next. On an unrelated note, I love the way that pathfinder 2nd edition is handling their complete rework of dragons to depart from D&D OGL content. The new dragons are much more innately tied to the magic of the world and each type is based on a school of magic and hoard objects based on those schools of magic.

[@NoamAgai]

Where's the stat block?

[@skeepodoop5197]

Lmao, it's been 2 months, I think I'ma just do it for them.

[@jgr7487]

This series also works quite well as Classes for Dragons. Tchazzar is a Red who created a syndicate around him so well that he became king, then a god.

[@DarkLord-to5uo]

Man, I really hope that He continues because these things are Extremely interesting

[@Bluepuertorican5]

I like this concept so much that I am going to design my own Warden Dragons. Rather than for a D&D class it would be for an aspect/concept in my campaign. I personally think these are amazing and such a great inspiration

[@jameshansen7108]

Love this idea! If I was running one it would be as a benevolent Arkon Dragon seen as a villain under some dictator type ruler, where the Arkon dragon sees the failure in society and only wishes to care for those who the kingdom has rejected. Somehow the Arkon dragon is then forced to fight back, either because of threats from the kingdom, or the Arkon dragon just having had enough of the tyrannical ruler. The protagonist would be sent by this tyrannical king without the protagonist knowing he was evil, etc. and finds out what the Arkon dragon is really doing and what it stands up for and then the story goes from there...

[@vintagedoctor7128]

i made a kobold pc who was just this idea but more centered towards ancient red dragons and kobold servants but the archon fits w his theme better than my idea. its like perfect this video came out when it did cuz the campaign for my kobold pc is gonna start in a couple months and the dm is still working out the backstories for everyone. also great video as always :D

[@kingwolf3044]

I absolutely love this. The series is definitely going to be one of your best. And I absolutely love this dragon. But I do kinda have one problem with it. The fact that the dragon can take away the powers makes it feel more like you took a warlock dragon and tryed to reflavor it as sorcerer. I would have made it so the magic seeped into the horde and altered them over time. But that’s just me. A little constructive criticism. Like I said I absolutely love it anyway.

[@iselreads2908]

It’s PAIN that there’s only 3 of these stat blocks. Gosh I’m ready for another entry in the Drag On series….maybe a barbarian warden dragon?

[@Syrus_Oates]

I remember you once saying that there would be no video about dragons. "And where did that bring you? Back to me."

[@XaviusNight]

My own take on this general idea, which I made a few years ago for my playgroup and setting I DM, are the Patriarch and Matriarch dragons (which are different from Dragon Matriarchs and Dragon Patriarchs), which are dragons who hoard social influence and power of that sort; many of them start off becoming guardians for small towns, and those who get old and powerful enough and establish a large and robust enough sphere of influence, will eventually end up founding entire nations. Though, that setting also has dragons not as a base species that is just... born from other dragons, but something of a naturally occurring event turned sapient.