Flat Earther Gets Totally Debunked

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Karen B thinks she is on to something when it comes to the equinox. However, as usual with Flat Earth its misunderstood and the indoctrination is there for all to see. If I do say so myself, this is one of the my more thorough debunkings in recent months.
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[@SciManDan]

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[@Mandelbrot_Set]

@@777wisdom7 Eric Dubay doesn't debate anyone. He doesn't want to endanger his income stream from rubes like you. Why don't you know that?

[@philippegilson]

Hello Dan ! I watched a documentary about the speed of light. I don't know what to think about it. Could you watch it and see if it is real or a scam ? kzbin.info/www/bejne/poXRZ3itncdlbc0 Thank you. Take care of you and your family. Phil, Belgium

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

@@777wisdom7 MCToon has a long-standing challenge to Dubay to debate. Why does he keep running?

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

@@777wisdom7 Eric Dubay doesn't debate anyone. He doesn't want to endanger his income stream from gullible flat earthers. Why don't you know that?

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

@@777wisdom7 What does your baseless claim have to do with Dubay being too much of a coward to debate anyone?

[@Bist040]

Got to love how she tries to disprove a "ball earth" while using data which is predicted based on exactly that. 11/10

[@EndlessTravels]

NO you gotta love KZbin puts a warning under Dan's videos that Flat Earth is something own Wikipedia At least those "Smart people" at KZbin finally stopped with the plandemic warning messages its a start :)

[@romainsavioz5466]

@@SATANS-BEARD the only problem is that they don't often realise it

[@vegastjg]

@@romainsavioz5466 facts

[@stixstudios3380]

Exactly!! Why bother using that table if she doesn't believe in the globe model. How utterly stupid.

[@dingaia]

came here to make this comment, was not disappointed.

[@johnmcnair8854]

Flat earths biggest achilles' heel is the earth being a sphere.

[@byrnemeister2008]

If it wasn’t for that one little fact!!!

[@thekwjiboo]

Yeah that's a tough one for them to get around.

[@MamaMiaBurrito]

@@thekwjiboo i see what you did there

[@deemcgann1695]

dont worry. they have "scientists" around the globe working to try and debunk it

[@MANoutnumbered421]

As plain to see as the shape of the globe!!!

[@drozcompany4132]

They claim that they can see an object from a beach dozens of miles away just above the horizon, but then why can't they see the sun that is supposedly 6000 miles above the surface at night? This is the one that always makes the least sense to me. If the Earth is flat, shouldn't you be able to see a huge bright object hovering above its surface from anywhere on Earth? And furthermore, if someone wanted to make a flat Earth, why would they make such a convoluted system of hiding the sun in some areas or making it wander around instead of just making it a fixed circular path?

[@davidvdbergen]

Got to love how she tries to disprove a "ball earth" while using sunset and sunrise which is still impossible on a flat earth.

[@nrellis666]

As I said some time ago: every day is a bad day for flat-Earthers, because day is caused by the Sun rising over the horizon; and the horizon is caused by the curvature of the Earth

[@renedekker9806]

Yeh... I love how she reads herself that the Sun rises at 90 degrees and sets 270 degrees everywhere on Earth at the equinox, but never questions how that can happen on a flat Earth.

[@kamion53]

It actually possible on a flat Earth if the sun is like a shaded lamp or torch...... ... and it must be a shaded lamp because that is what they use in their video's and then they will argue that astronomers cannot see the shade of the lamp-sun because it reflects no light or is a black hole hovering behind the sun. And when someone now accuses me of provinding stupidsa argument for Flattards..... Guilty🌞

[@nrellis666]

@@kamion53 the magic lampshade on the Sun also somehow manages to illuminate the same part of the Moon despite constantly changing angle throughout each day

[@kamion53]

@@nrellis666 😀I think the keyword here indeed is "Magic"😀

[@Zero_Ninety]

That flat earth model with the sun spinning around in a circle never stops being hilarious.

[@rennnnn914]

Yep, and doesn't explain why, here in southern Australia the sun, in summer, rises in the SE and sets in the SW which couldn't happen if the sun is circling like flerfers say, lol.

[@stevec6427]

That model would make Antarctica the warmest part of earth during the time when the sun is in its biggest orbit. There's so many holes in that model

[@mrxmry3264]

It also never stops being wrong.

[@joeldriver3971]

What model? They still don't have one.

[@abelis644]

There's an app of it, if I get bored I play with it. It really is hilarious!😅 🌍🌏🌎🌍🌏🌎🌍🌏

[@kellingc]

I'm a amateur (ham) radio operator. There is a phenomenon called grey line propagation. This is the area on either side of the terminator, and is almost Luke a wormhole for radiowaves. It has to ionization and heat, and other factors. It's how I made a contact fron New England to Hawaii and sounded like the guy was next door. This would be impossible on a flat earth because there is no terminator, and thus no grey line propagation. Another way I know we are on a globe using ham radio - long path propagation. I point my directional antenna say Northeast and make contact with a station let's sat I Belgium. I now turn my antenna 180 degrees to the Southeast, and hit thar Belguim station again. Not possiable on a flat earth. But wait, there's more! When that station responds, there a 7 second echo, why, It's because he's using a dipole (which radiates equally along the length of the wire), and receiving the short path signal and the long path signal 7 seconds (or less, depending how high in the atmosphere his signal goes) later. Again, only possiable on a sphere.

[@thunderflare59]

Love how she said there is no flora or fauna on Antarctica then, not five seconds later, brought up penguins. What does she think fauna means?

[@gertjanvandermeij4265]

BUT ......... Penguins DON'T eat flora ! Penguins were put there by GOD ! so ....... suck on that you GLOBETARD ! Only GOD has ALL the answers ! *I'm being sarcastic of course ;-)*

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

Fauna sounds like fawn, which is cute baby deer, and deer live in forest, and Antarctica doesn't have forests, so it's flat.

[@cyruskarloff7219]

@@RideAcrossTheRiver 😆

[@filopat67]

NASA is feeding the penguins in Antarktika, probably.

[@fliplefrog8843]

@@filopat67 ..but only cgi-fishes!

[@steve3291]

As always, "I don't understand the science behind equinoxes, so flat earth'. It's a great argument.

[@rolmops883]

TBH, it's a better argument than the default flat earth argument of "Nuh-uh"

[@paulmurgatroyd6372]

Where does she think the sun goes when it sets?

[@brianstrutter1501]

Pretty much

[@brianstrutter1501]

@@paulmurgatroyd6372 - what kills me is they claim we can't see that far yet we can see planets over a million miles away. Or can see a plane 10 miles in the air but not the ship 10 miles off shore. It's actually beyond stupid the way they think

[@paulmurgatroyd6372]

@@brianstrutter1501 It makes you worry what other things they don't believe, I mean, some of them might be really important.

[@DNPaterson]

One of the big questions I've never been able to get an answer to, even though she briefly mentions it, is how the Sun is seen to rise almost exactly due East and set due West on the equinox. Using the "Magical Flat Earth Map" (tm) and a rough calculation, sunrise for her location would be at 58.7 degrees instead of 90, and for Brisbane it would be at 37.5 degrees! In fact, the only place to see a sunrise due East is at the North pole (if you can have a due East from there...). To me it's one of the most obvious problems with their "model" and one that they just ignore.

[@georgedare3046]

It isn't that they ignore the problem (or any of the other multitude of problems of a flat earth model), they just don't understand the problem. It is either a lack not education or intelligence. Or both.

[@cyruskarloff7219]

well done! 🦓

[@andystokes8702]

Actually, it's a lot more stupid than that. What direction is east on a flat earth? Using the normal flat earth 'map' we have the north pole in the middle and Antarctica, the south pole running all the way round the perimeter. South is every direction away from north, whichever way you go, as long as you are travelling away from the North Pole you are travelling south (exactly the same as on the globe model). The problems come with east and west, what direction is east? If you are somewhere on the bottom of the map east is to the right. Unfortunately if you are somewhere at the top of the map east is now to your left. If the sun rises exactly due east on the equinox it must be rising on the right if you are on the bottom of the map but simultaneously rising on the left if you are at the top of the map. Just this one simple observation proved the earth is not flat.

[@rogerbarnett8412]

You are right, of course. Nothing works on a FE. 24 hour sun for 1/2 year at each pole is impossible. Of course, FE makes no allowance for the existence of a south pole, even. It's all pathetically stupid.

[@efkagamescomputers6886]

@@andystokes8702 flat earthers would deny it coz they want to be special. Totally agree with your post though

[@TalonBrush]

"The Sun is an object that flat earthers turn to time and time and time again" - one might say they *REVOLVE* around it.

[@cyruskarloff7219]

Ba-dum-dum!

[@TherealLumpendoodle]

😂👏

[@frankowalker4662]

It certainly is a hot topic. :)

[@MartinJames389]

"Equinox" is LATIN. It is a modernisation, from roughly 1400 into medieval scholastic Latin, of the original "aequinoctium". When Latin was a living language there was no precise measurement of time, certainly not to the minute, and those who spoke the language didn't even know Australia existed. Now we know the equality is, in modern terms, only approximate, as is its date in different places. Trying to give a word from over 2,000 years ago a precise modern meaning, then going "AH-HA!" when it turns out to be less precise than whoever first coined the word thought, is historically, culturally and etymologically bonkers.

[@kamion53]

Good reminder that the term Equinox ( equal night) is already used for a very long time. I am sure some Greek scolar wrote about it. Also equinox and solstice were already observed before writting was invented and marked with objects at the horizon or megalithic structures.

[@OAlem]

Agreed.

[@Roxfox]

I bet you love it as much as I do when they say "it's called the horizon because it's horizontal"

[@kamion53]

@@Roxfox I surpriced no flattard argues that we can see just a few miles in the distance is because the thickness of the air increases over a ( horizontal) distance. on a flat earth you should be able to see till the "Icewal" Sounds stupid but at the time of Rembrand painters really believed it and tried to grasp it in their paintings of indoor scenes already.

[@OAlem]

@@Roxfox That one enrages me. It's like saying usual comes from usually. But flerfs get everything backwards.

[@melsop54]

So they set the foundation of their argument on something they've gotten incorrect...and then proceed to build their entire argument upon an incorrect assumption. And then they tell us we are stupid and wrong.

[@ChristianIce]

12:48 I love how they always use maps with globe's correct meridians, like those are just some lines and they don't mean anything.

[@euphemist9622]

That is the biggest flaw (apart from the obvious!) in their argument. As you approach their 'ice wall' the lines of longitude should be getting further apart in their model, instead, they become closer together

[@thephantomeagle2]

One FLERF, not sure who, basically said that since they can’t be seen, they don’t exist

[@lucasalce6010]

Those? Those are just the seams of the dome

[@paulmurgatroyd6372]

Tell us Karen, why is NOTHING based on a flat earth map?

[@thephantomeagle2]

@@lucasalce6010 Is that where the rain comes through

[@oliverniekrenz]

"There is no natural flora and fauna...". A few second later she mentions penguins. She doesn't even know what fauna means. Dear oh dear.

[@mjjoe76]

Maybe she is confusing “fauna” and “fawn”. Deer oh deer.

[@pureflix8086]

@@mjjoe76 oh sh..! I thought the exact thing!

[@cyruskarloff7219]

🐧

[@cnocspeireag]

She doesn't seem to know much about anything, so it's no surprise. I do have some sympathy with anyone with such profound ignorance of the progress of human thought and understanding, although I'm aghast at such pride and certainty in her ignorance. I won't pretend expertise, but it certainly brings the famous Dunning- Kruger curve to mind.

[@atmosphericsciencemadeeasy1250]

Great video Dan! When I was in school for meteorology and climatology, it was required that we took a class called Physical Meteorology. In that course we discussed atmospheric radiation, scattering, absorption, and optics. And yes, atmospheric refraction does in fact extend the amount of time we see sunlight after sunset or even before sunrise as you’ve mentioned in this video. It is frustrating when people who are convinced the earth is flat (which it’s not) say that we are wrong and don’t know what we are talking about. One more note: Meteorology proves a spherical Earth. The equations of motion used to describe atmospheric motion include coriolis and curvature terms due to Earth’s curve and rotation. These equations are used in our numerical weather models and work well. In radar meteorology, you also need to take into account of our planet’s curvature. When wanting to identify a tornado for instance, you can only see the lower part of a storm when it is close to identify the strongest rotation. When a storm is far away from a radar sight, you can only see the top of a storm because the Earth is curved. A spherical Earth is an undeniable, indisputable scientific fact regardless of what one might want to think. Have a good one Dan!

[@MCToon]

I love how she reads how it worlds on the globe and offers no explanation for how it works on flat earth.

[@mattikaronen7728]

Just watched your visit to 24/7 discord (even though it was some time ago). What a bunch of totaly ignorant and stupid/sad collection of people. I understand now why you feel no need to go there again…

[@maemorri]

She showed how it works on the space pizza. The sun moves and shines this way because that's what we observe. What causes the sun to speed up and slow down, and rise and fall in the sky? God, I suppose. Don't you believe in God?

[@blindwatchmaker2345]

It worlds if you world it ❤

[@TheOneSin7]

They have no model, they can't have an explanation.

[@skateboardingjesus4006]

@@blindwatchmaker2345 The dog ate my home world ☺.

[@mikkelnpetersen]

"I don't understand how it works, so it's wrong" - Flat earthers in a nutshell.

[@truescotsman4103]

Exactly

[@stus2159]

I understand fully the scientific handwaving explanations, I just don't believe theories without proof.

[@eliasroflchopper3006]

@@stus2159 so you don't belive in the flat earth either? And also, the globe has been proven. Multiple times.

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

@@stus2159 Science deals in evidence not proof. You are thinking of pseudoscience such as flat Earth. They are sure about everything and have no evidence.

[@stus2159]

@@eliasroflchopper3006 When I see footage of earth shrinking from a camera mounted on a craft going into deep space then I will believe, until then it's all up for debate.

[@slywolf1972]

"It's backward engineered math. You can't really prove or disprove this" - Karen B Well since we as humans defined the concept and importance of an equinox and are observing it.... yes? That's how that works? That's how science works?

[@joebedogne3956]

Yeah on a tic toc today some moron said you are using Ball earth Math and not Flat earth math, I had to ask what the hell exactly is flat earth math. Math was developed over years by measuring observations we make, so the fact that math can so perfectly describe a globe is proof right there. The math was literally derived from what is measured and observed. If it was in deed flat the math would tell that story. There is no such thing as flat earth math. I was then told well math is all non sense anyway it is just a bunch of made up rules and symbols and numbers that was designed by "them" I had a good laugh at it because yeah I guess in a way. Except humans have the brain capacity as a species to understand these complex situations, and we had to develop a way to define them so yes we developed a numbering system, and a way to manipulate that system, and as time went on we developed postulates and theorems that define what we see. Math is verified against measurable observable objective fact. Its like holy hell, air planes, cars, trains, and boats, GPS, computers, bicycles, maps etc. etc. etc. all use the same math. How do they think anything is designed in engineering. Its like their complete inability to understand it in their pea brains somehow justifies their inaccurate truth. But to be honest I think they don't actually fully understand or even believe in the flat earth but after them jacking off to Eric Dubay on a late night youtube binge, they now will not accept any logic and reason. They either continue to argue or many of flat earthers just disappear into oblivion like D Marble. You know why, logic finally catches up with them. If you think about this crap long enough you will most certainly see how flat earth is complete garbage. The ones that still peddle the idea are only the ones that make money off of it. Bob, Dubay and the likes. they train a new crop of idiots until those idiots go to the way side. Its sad that the flat earth stars are able to convince a bunch of people of something that is complete non sense.

[@HenrikDanielsson]

They point to slight discrepancies in day and night not being exactly equal, by comparing _predicted_ dates & times listed on a website, and [correctly] assume it's accurate. They never even question why the website doesn't actually list the day/night lengths as precisely equal or why, given the times do match, the predictions are actually able to be that accurate. They never look into how the predictions were made, or which model it uses - or how that model was built. Instead they put up some bullshit visualization that can't even accurately predict a single observation or measurement because it looks "obvious".

[@duckofdeathv1595]

Yes. This. She has no idea what is on that website that she is looking at. If she wants to debunk the heliocentric model that guides those numbers she has to make real world observations to show that their times are wrong. Instead she just assumes that they are correct.

[@MrMarcusIndia]

"There is no flora and fauna down there." Down? Down? How can there be a 'down there' on a flat Earth?

[@gertjanvandermeij4265]

In a VALLEY ! 😉

[@matthewkologi6833]

I’m not a biologist, but wouldn’t penguins be classified as “fauna?”

[@MrMarcusIndia]

@@matthewkologi6833 Yes, she even admits it. Apparently they aren't happy about being down there though. I'm not sure which penguin she asked to get that particular titbit of information.

[@MrMarcusIndia]

@@gertjanvandermeij4265 How can it be a wall and a valley at the same time!? This Flat Earth stuff doesn't make any sense! 😉

[@bambustech9477]

​@@MrMarcusIndia Hello, I have a plausible explanation for that! but it depends how you define what a wall is, and whether it has to be completely vertical or not. place yourself in that valley, if you look around, you might have mountains etc. around you. which, in a weird way, could be defined as a wall. in which case, it would be both a valley AND a wall! :D Take the Grand Canyon, if you're at the bottom, to me at least, you would have walls around you, but you are in a canyon, and yet, you have walls! :D I know, I know.. but in my defense: I never said it was a GOOD explanation!? :P yes, it is supposed to be taken with a gram of salt! (I know, usually it's just a grain, but I don't think that will suffice in this case!)

[@Cynicalgeek743]

Come on now, the FE sun isn’t that hard to imagine. We simply don’t understand what causes it to constantly change its orbit with no ostensible force acting, nor how it speeds up and slows down depending on which line of Ltitude you find yourself on, nor how it channels or bends its light which last retained almost perfect spherical shape to different parts of a flat plane it lies above, nor how it has evaded spacecraft which have travelled further away from Earth than it’s 3000 mile altitude, nor how it has avoided burning up all its nuclear fuel given its age and diminutive size, nor indeed how hydrogen would actually fuse given its hugely diminished mass, nor how it illuminates the other bodies in the solar system, etc., etc.. One day science will show us the way. Not the science we currently have but a new science FEs will forge. In future we will laud these visionaries and laugh at our historical ignorance. A new cult of Globe Earthers will spring up to reject this new science as a huge conspiracy, quoting ancient textbooks that show a globe Earth and selectively misinterpreting the new established science and denying all contrary findings to make their point. What a wonderful time this will be

[@Strype13]

Lol, this post is incredibly underrated. Well played, iain. I thoroughly enjoyed this.

[@joerichardson4325]

I'm screenshotting this comment and gonna use it as my own! Thief! Catch me over the curve, if you can!

[@lilgto64]

Obviously it's because the Sun isn't real. It's a projection, or wait, it's a reflection, no wait, it's a digital artifact, no, no, that's not it, there are multiple Suns that "they" turn on and off, but only when it's above the clouds, or maybe only when it's below the clouds, or when its just hiding right inside the clouds. In any case... FLAT URTH BABY!

[@p_3ater160]

As an Australian I would like to thanks Dan for correcting the pronunciation of Brisbane

[@thefirstvoidwalker1613]

Yep it annoys me to how do they SO wrong all the time

[@machonemarvel]

Yep Dan making that correction is maybe my favourite correction he has made. Shits so awful to hear you can always tell when people ahve never heard someone actually say it

[@p_3ater160]

@Hey Girl I Like Your Kitchen Romania It's an accent thing. Other countries have the same thing, like you don't say "York-Shire" you say York-Shir"

[@j.ritter619]

As someone who is also from North Carolina, I would like to extend my heartfelt apologies for the rambling musings of this clearly confused woman. And please note that her inability to understand basic planetary science is not a common sentiment shared by the vast majority of us southerners.

[@tompiper9276]

No offence taken. Most villages have an idiot. It's just that some of them post stuff on you tube.

[@booklyundercover4574]

She is from South Carolina. While we North Carolinians have more than our share of clueless, it does seem like South Carolina has us beat in that area.

[@j.ritter619]

@@booklyundercover4574 Well she said North Carolina. Here's the timestamp: 5:11

[@booklyundercover4574]

@@j.ritter619 Damn. You're right. Sad. I hang my head in collective shame.

[@larryheninger3499]

Yes, I'm from the Tarheel state myself. Land of many well known universities such as Duke, UNC Wake, and more. A vast knowledge base of the sciences and yet, there are the few, that shine though in total ignorance and buy a video camera and KZbin subscription. I Appologize as well because this is not who we are Dan.

[@mateosanroman]

¡Gracias!

[@aster7654]

I liked the hand drawn images, I'm not really good in the physics domain, so it really helps me visualise things, I wouldn't mind if you did this more often!

[@skateboardingjesus4006]

At least you can understand the diagrams. Flatties just get a serious dose of slack-jaw blank-stare.

[@SH1KAKAA]

It's quite refreshing to see someone admit they are (using your own words) "not really good in the physics domain" yet not become a conspiracy theorist like the flerf's. This is in no way sarcasm by the way, it's meant as a genuine compliment :)

[@jamesscott305]

Second this

[@theradgegadgie6352]

Ditto.

[@FrankieG713]

I wish Star Talk did that

[@rugger1378]

All of Science: Here’s measurable, observable, established evidence that the earth is a globe. Flat Earthers: Actually it proves it flat

[@yottawatt]

A flerf: Those things happen because that is what we observe. Does it matter how? Me: Yes! The explanations from a flerf creates impossible situations, while trying to use scientific terms.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

@@yottawatt Also flerf: "If you'd all just stop observing _everything, so much,_ flat Earth makes sense."

[@yottawatt]

@@RideAcrossTheRiver haha true. They tell me to go outside and look at the world instead of crunching numbers.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

@@yottawatt Meanwhile, flerfs hide indoors at night and hate telescopes!

[@rafetizer]

She doesn't realize her assumption lumps everyone onto the equator.

[@joeldriver3971]

"I don't understand how something works so instead of seeking out an expert in that field who could explain it to me I'm going to use my own idiotic argument of personal incredulity to make a video on youtube, make a complete fool out of myself and then claim it proves earth is flat." Every flat earther.

[@matimus100]

Sponsored by Disney debunker what are you doing 🤔

[@billob4285]

I'll clean up your statement about FE just a smidge... Question to FE'ers -Tell me your a dingbat without telling me your a dingbat.

[@gertjanvandermeij4265]

Please USE comma's, and dots ! that 'writing' looks like a FE ! 🤣

[@CuriousBipedal]

Exactly right. But I doubt that she, and others like her go to people with knowledge. She prefers her echo chamber of fellow investigators who never investigate.

[@rudolfquerstein6710]

Actually that works nice. Just make a very stupid video about something you don't understand and you will get a nice explanation by Dan.

[@Alessandro-B]

"I'm a flat-earther, I don't understand anything, so let me explain to you how things work".

[@briangak8815]

Lol my favorite part of the video is where she just claims that equinoxes are easier explained on a flat earth then makes no attempt to explain how they would work on a flat earth then concludes the video by saying the whole point of the video was to show how they were better explained on a flat earth even though she never actually explained that part

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

Mere details. 😆

[@PsychoMuffinSDM]

It is always so funny when one of these people ask questions like these, while on the very page they are looking at there is a specific link "Why is the day and night not exactly 12 hours?" Literally, there is a specific link right there addressing your contention!!!

[@heatshield]

It's the fog in their heads. They're always having imaginary arguments with generic THEY. "But what about this? Well that's because of those." Depending on how visual a thinker they are, there's also images of the things they made up to replace reality. Constant din of conflict. Questions with "evil" answers and non-working excuses, the blur of broken geometry and mismatched shapes and a self contradictory list of reasons with their point for even turning on the camera getting lost in the fog.

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

Excellent explanation of the equinox, Dan! Karen B admitted that the Sun rises due east from all locations during the Equinox. Then she said that the Sun is always levitating above the Tropics. There is no location in the tropics due east of me. Since everyone on the same line of longitude sees the Sun rise due east at the same time, that means that their nearby Sun would have to be in multiple places at the same time!

[@eliasroflchopper3006]

@@slevinchannel7589 why are you spamming this under half the comment section?

[@feedingravens]

You can get along with only one sun, all you have to do is to postulate a natural light-bending of SUNlight (other light behaves differently) that is specific for date, time and location. E.g. on equinox sunset at 6 pm, sunlight at the equator bends around 90 degrees in the horizontal plane, and in the vertical plane it sags through by about 27 degrees. You just have to postulate that that is what sunlight does, and all is good. Where it gets a little more problematic is for all the tourists sailing south to see the midsummer midnight sun - shining from the south, when the sun is physically north of them, BEYOND the north pole. Either the light travels halfway around the antarctic ice ring, and then does a sharp bend to appear in the south (NOT "tiring" and fading away on this 60,000+ km travel) or you have to postulate a "pac-man" firmament, where the light that hits the firmament on one side reappears on the other side. But Karen, like all Flat Earthers, is totally disinterested in Flat Earth and how it works. Here you see her droning on for ages about the WRONG model, that there are tiny discrepancies that she does not try to understand, and her explanation why the RIGHT Flat Earth model is so much simpler is showing a clip, saying "that explains it" - over and out. Flat Earth is not about curiosity, about finding out, it is all about the want to be RIGHT and all these wiseguys to be WRONG - achieved by declaring "it's flat" as irrefutable Truth. You see that pattern in all cults, be it Trumpism, Creationism, anti-vaxxers, gun nuts - down to football (i.e. soccer) fans that define their club as the best.

[@skateboardingjesus4006]

@@slevinchannel7589 Translation?

[@DoctorZisIN]

@@skateboardingjesus4006 Translation: for flat earth to be true, a straight pole would cast a shadow that looks like a pile of smoke in a hurricane.

[@OlivierGabin]

@@feedingravens Good points here.

[@max5250]

She conveniently "forgot" to explain how can Sun be at 90 degrees bearing on a compass for every single observer on fantasy disc-land!! And we all played blind when she presented map where Australia is three times the size of continental USA...

[@chompchompnomnom4256]

She forgot to mention why doesn't the sun melt the "south pole wall" as it passes by at close range.

[@naomeencheosaco8595]

Nasa hired the cgi-penguins to rebuild it everyday

[@twilightparanormalresearch186]

@@naomeencheosaco8595 I’m paid to fix it……oops I mean communists

[@arctic_haze]

Ancient stone-age people were somehow better at establishing which day is the equinox than modern flat earthers. If it isn't regress, what is?

[@chii_bon]

That's stupidity,of course

[@chbu7081]

On that flat Earth 'model', the Sun moves at different rates in the sky for summer and winter instead of the 15 degrees per hour it is observed to.

[@blindwatchmaker2345]

Reading an article on screen and can't even do that correct... amazing!

[@TheOneSin7]

It's all kayshuns and onions.

[@kennymartin5976]

Sunlight just magically stopping at arbitrary points on the flat earth is always hilarious to me. It's one of the biggest flaws with FE. Some FE ideas at least have the illusion of plausibility, we really don't feel the rotation of the earth for example, but the sun and the moon absolutely do not operate as they claim

[@Kualinar]

Not only does the light from the Sun must magically stop at some arbitrary distance, but it must ALSO follow a curved path. The required curve need to be different for every moment and every location of the holy wafer earth.

[@davidmcgill1000]

Sure are a lot of measurable ellipses on this flat Earth. hmmmm. very curious.

[@rudolfquerstein6710]

I mean we also do not feel flying in a plane, so even that explanation is pretty weird, exspecially given that whenever they say something doesn't happen they actually don't have anything to replace it with. Why do stars appear to rotate clockwise or counterclockwise depending on your hemisphere? There is no real explanation for that. Some just claim that this is not the case, which is because they never were in another hemisphere so they haven't seen it so it can't be true.

[@suijinnoname6412]

@@rudolfquerstein6710 Somehow Flearthers use an argument that if the earth was rotating that fast and you jump in the air you would go flying off the earth, and yet can fly in a plane and jump in the air and somehow not go flying at 600+ mph to the back of the plane.

[@rudolfquerstein6710]

@@suijinnoname6412 That is basically what I mean, but the biggest issue is that they are reformative in their efforts. If you say "X isn't like that" you need to find a new explanation. Like what exactly happens during lunar or solar eclipses if you say that our solar system isn't like we think it is, you should have a replacement, but they basically have the word "flat" and "earth" and that is it.

[@8584zender]

On a flat earth, during the winter solstice in the Northern hemisphere, how does the sun project light to the ring shaped "Antarctic ice wall" for nearly 24h while the north pole is in darkness the entire time? To achieve this, the light cast on the earth would need to be a ring. Then, during the summer solstice in the Northern hemisphere, the light cast on the earth would be disc shaped. What sort of light source is the sun that it can change the shape of the light it casts on an annual basis?

[@yardgrid]

You can hear it slowly dawning (,pardon the pun) on her that, if the earth was a flat disk and the light covered half of the earth on a certain date, it would not cover the earth for the exact same amount of time in Brisbane. By definition, she debunked herself

[@Usufructus]

Your pun made me laugh out loud. But watching her debunk herself was more satisfying.

[@erikblaas5826]

So what Yard Grind is telling here: Flat earth debunked ( again and again and .... ) by a flat earther. Quote Bob: "a 15 degree per hour drift". Quote Jeran: "place the light way above your head...... Interesting".

[@Wordavee1]

Can't draw a flat earth map, can't explain Southern star trails, can't explain motion of the moon, can't explain comets, but equinox times are a few minutes out, so checkmate globers!!!

[@Gandhi_Physique]

Also, if they have one model that can explain something, it fails in another way. For some reason though, the globe can be used to explain them all at once. Weird how that works.

[@OnTheYAHWEHToHell]

"Yes, and you actually see a lot of other times all of the time, but you just don't remember those" Nailed it.

[@rapid13]

I get that some people, maybe many don't really understand how these things work, and I don't hold it against them too much (I mean, there are probably many things I don't recall from grade school as well), but when you have to bend your brain into some ridiculous pretzel shape in order to willfully avoid learning the truth I have no sympathy.

[@OudeicratAnnachrista]

_"bend your brain into some ridiculous pretzel shape in order to willfully avoid learning the truth"_ I love it!

[@shaneeslick]

G'day SciManDan, 🤔Wonder why she didn't look to see the angles for Sunrise (120°SE) & Sunset (240° SW) during December (Our Summer Equinox) in Australia (Even Hobart in Tasmania) when she claimed the Sun never travels any further South of the Tropic of Capricorn🤷‍♂️??? That always gets left out of every FlatEarthers Explanation of Daylight & Seasons.

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

The same thing happens in the other direction in the Northern Hemisphere summer solstice.

[@havanowoncheese]

Her brain would melt if she found out days are not exactly 24 hours as well.

[@verdatum]

I have never heard the location Brisbane said out loud. I've been mispronouncing it in my head incorrectly my entire life. Thanks, Dan!

[@dogwalker666]

Oopsies its always a shock when that happens. 🤗

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

There was an argument on _Seinfeld,_ that a name should be pronounced like "Spidermun" because you don't say Gold Man, you say Mr. "Goldmun."

[@FritzCopyCat]

@@Mandelbrot_Set That was on _Friends_, not _Seinfeld_. And it was stupid that they picked Spider-Man for that joke, given "Spider-Man" clearly has a hyphen in it (Batman or Superman would've worked).

[@warmachineuk]

The subject picks at apparent, slight model's deviations from reality to attack it whilst ignoring the whopping contradictions to reality of her preferred model, such as the apparent path of the Sun and the existence of sunsets.

[@julzzz7000]

Wtf does she think she's proving? She's speaking gibberish.

[@bradypustridactylus488]

Do you remember the countless "lightbulb jokes"? "How many ______ does it take to change a lightbulb?" I want to ask, "How many suns does it take for any particular flat earth argument to work?"

[@skesinis]

News flash! I live in Australia about 1000km southern than the Tropic of Capricorn. However, on the 21st of December, the sun rises and sets 30º southern than due east! Impossible on the imaginary space pizza with the Tupperware dome! R.I.P. flat earth! 😂 😂 😂

[@clivedavis6859]

I live in South Africa, about 500km south of the Tropic of Capricorn. The same happens here. She never did give a FE explanation of how the sun even rises due east on the equinox at these places, in fact at all places.

[@beverlycrusher9713]

she doesn't even know what she is talking about, that deer in the head lights look on her face is just killer.

[@josleys]

On the equinoxes, everywhere on Earth, the track of the shadow of the tip of a stick is a straight line. Impossible with a circling sun over a flat Earth.

[@JMartJr]

I cannot recommend Mr/ Leys' elegant and beautiful videos illustrating the extent to which Flat Earth diverges from reality. Very easy to understand, and unexpectedly beautiful.

[@josleys]

@@JMartJr But you cannot recommend them?

[@notamoron2246]

@@josleys I'm tipping he missed typing the word "enough".

[@josleys]

@@notamoron2246 You are most probably right!

[@paulcrumley9756]

I respectfully disagree. At my latitude, nearly 45° North, on the equinox the sun does rise almost exactly east of my position. At noon on the same day, the sun is southward of me by 45 degrees, meaning the shadow from the tip of the stick is at a 45 degree angle northward. At sundown it is again nearly exactly west. It can't do that in a straight line. To form a straight line from sunrise to sunset would oblige the sun to stand exactly over the stick at a 90° elevation at the zenith forming a shadow concentric to the stick, which only happens at the equator on the equinox, and somewhere between the equator and the tropics on other days.

[@pasit1738]

I wonder, if the sun is a light bulb circling the flat plane, why does it set beyond the horizon? Shouldn't it go from left to right or deminish to distance?

[@PlatinumAltaria]

Flat Earthers believe that "perspective" makes things disappear over the horizon at distance. Why we can still see stars that are definitely further away than any land is beyond me.

[@dogwalker666]

Yes and then start coming back to be Overhead again at midnight.

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

That is perhaps the biggest hole in their entire fantasy world. That and their failure to locate the edge.

[@pasit1738]

@@PlatinumAltaria Ok, that explains it. How stupid I was. 😄

[@davidmcgill1000]

A perspective that happens to be curved, because reasons only known to God apparently.

[@Cecily-Pimprenelle]

Huh. I never realised that the day of the equinox was NOT actually the day when day and night were of equal length due to the points used to measure day length. Thanks for stating it plainly! Still shaking my head about her lack of explanation on how ”this works all much better on a FlatEarth” - forget asking how the sun moves, just answering ”how can it be night for Person A and day for Person B when the former is closer to the sun” would be nice (and we’d still be waiting for an answer). Also wondering how their ’model’ would explain the sunlight repartition in late December...

[@karenbsunkemptbush5819]

I can tell time with my pubes just like the ancient greeks.

[@XellithUS]

At 4:40 ish did she just say that because of the equinox about half the earth would be lit at one time... Does she not know that it's always half lit?

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

SHE is half-lit.

[@mattihelin5101]

Id love if flat earthers would take proper pictures, measurements and actually calculate. Maths don't lie.

[@rolmops883]

Flerfs don't know of this thing called maths. They are well versed in the dark arts of "'Murican flerfer maf" or "bri'ish flerf mafs".

[@mattihelin5101]

@@rolmops883 Or they do (at least some of them) and they know what maths would do to their religion. So they claim maths arent real. Really, that's what some flerfs say. Maths is man made, so it cannot be used to calculate natural world.

[@merryhappy5232]

Yes math don't lie but if the input is a lie the output of course will also be a lie and that usually how those people use math Edit: or they could also use the number in the wrong place

[@celticlightning9703]

I'd love it if flat earthers would use their own proof for their craziness instead of using graphs and calculations by globe scientists that they say are conspiring to lie.

[@evawettergren7492]

As someone who was always crap at maths I can definitely say that math do lie and it does so constantly. At least for me it did. I vividly remember doing a maths problem in highschool and having to re do it five times... each time I got a different answer. None of them were the correct one. That was when I gave up on maths for me personally. I did not give up on reality though... and went on to study geology at university, specifically marine geology. (I hade to skip the physics and chemistry classes that went with the geology program, and go for biology instead, as the maths kicked my ass in those as well.)

[@roycalderon7633]

I'm still amazed on the flat Earth's reasoning. How exactly in the 21st century does one arrive to this type of nonsense reasoning? It's incredible!!

[@rcavicchijr]

Why doesn't she look at that sunrise/sunset chart for Australia on December 22, then explain that on her flat plane. One of Karen's many problems is that she thinks the equinoxes are when the sun's light covers exactly half the globe. Here in reality the sun's light always covers half the globe. The equinox is when the light is distributed equally across the northen and southern hemisphere. It's an instantaneous point in time as the earth passes two singular points in it's orbit. The earth doesn't stay there for exactly one day, giving you exact measurements of 12 hours of day/night everywhere on earth at once. Does a flat earth suddenly explain those discrepancies in the sun charts? You can't explain any of that on a flat earth. What: Some unkown force tethers the sun and moon to the north pole; while some other unkown force pushes them to move around the earth at variable speeds and distances; and some unkonwn force, or property of light causes light and heat to bend around the earth differently to always reach half the world? That's what she considers a "simpler" explanation?

[@1972Sylvester]

I facepalmed so hard when she said that. And I wasn't wearing my protector🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@curtisgagnon2018]

Planes not being able to fly above a certain height proves an atmospheric gradient. Needing oxygen masks in a plane when it decompresses is proof of an atmospheric gradient.

[@rolmops883]

You're making one crucial mistake, in that you're assuming flat earthers are susceptible to logical thought.

[@markboz3366]

No, the reason why planes can't fly above a certain height is due to restrictions from NASA. They don't want them to get too close to the sun and give the game away 🤪

[@vinnyganzano1930]

@@markboz3366 In case the wings melt and the plane floats gently to the earth because let's not forget gravity's not a thing either😜

[@veronikamajerova4564]

I mean, you don´t even need a plane. You can simply climb one of the super-hight mounains 5k and up and you´ll certainly notice the difference.

[@JohnSmith-ux3tt]

It amazes me, but flerfs simply can't understand what the existence of the atmospheric pressure gradient means, and that it blows one if their key articles of flat earth dogma out of the water. They say they understand, but then they will say something insane which proves they don't. At all. I just don't get it.

[@TheIpadfanatic]

Steps to becoming a Flerf: 1. Parents drop newborn baby on its head. 2. Budding Flerf embraces conspiratorial thinking. 3. Full fledged Flerf gets a high speed connection to the internet. 4. Flerf reads the Bible 5. Community of Flerfs welcome new member and instruct them on how to cherry pick actual science and dismiss simple explanations from the globe model.

[@Mike-me3sp]

She heard 'plane', assumed 'plain' and it all went to sh*t from there.

[@eliasroflchopper3006]

It was shit from the very beginning.

[@bluemarblescience]

Poor Karen - often wrong but never in doubt!

[@aznmutt15]

Her explanation doesn't actually explain the complaints she had on the globe model.

[@joseraulcapablanca8564]

She did not even get through half a sentence before the misunderstanding began. Thanks Dan and keep up the good work.

[@eliasroflchopper3006]

What does Dan have to do with her being stupid?

[@grahamstrong995]

Hi Dan, thanks for another great debunking. Professor Dave tore the flat earth model of the sun to shreds a while back. It is a thing of beauty and should be watched be everyone- especially flat earthers.

[@gbprime2353]

"This will really blow your mind." You're right, startlingly stupid arguments often do.

[@endless031]

You can see her brain going in to meltdown when she looked at Australia equinox time. Trying to come up with a reason on the spot.

[@ikitclaw7146]

RIght? they aint even smart enough to look up these things before they record so they can be ready to counter it, their idiocy knows no bounds.

[@allstarwatt7246]

and she did it all with that blank brain-dead expression on her face

[@herzkine]

"...a 15 degree per pur drift"...put the light higher, i cant see it...interesting"

[@renedekker9806]

I am always so amazed when flat Earthers use tables calculated from the globe Earth model to find out data about the real world. Don't they appreciate the irony in that?

[@kevinchong5424]

Knowing how things are made has never been their strong suit

[@kevinh.7648]

Their model is just rediculous. With the sun above a flat earth it would be always day and never night. Dear oh dear ... 🤦🏻

[@Globeisahoax]

It’s not. Sun is small and local, and can only light up the area below, leaving the rest in darkness.

[@Globeisahoax]

Your brains are filled with fluoride and you can’t process new information Watch Next Level (2022), it explains how fluoride damage the brain

[@kevinh.7648]

@@Globeisahoax That's not how light works. This would only work if the "sun" would shine only below itself and not in all directions.

[@Globeisahoax]

@@kevinh.7648 sun is very close, 50 miles ( 80 km) tops. The daylight is a result of electrical sun powering up certain gases in the air. As the sun moves away, the energy fades and the light dies

[@patrickcromwell7554]

About two weeks ago, I watch a Rolland Emmerich movie called "Moon Fall." It is a movie that I honestly hope, no conspiracy theorist ever sees. They may begin to think Hollywood is suddenly releasing documentaries, disguised as fiction. I do not want to spoil the movie for anyone who may be interested in some good old fashioned planetary destruction movie fun. So I'll just end here.

[@NZSpides]

I watched that, it was a great film if you just turned off your brain. A conspiracy nut would just be loving the film for all of the really stupid things that happen in it.

[@patrickcromwell7554]

@@NZSpides I think the idea that an ancient non terrestrial civilization could do that, is pretty cool. But that they are actually OUR ancestors is pushing it a bit. The idea of putting a star inside a solid structure is touched on in Star Trek. They call it a Dyson Sphere and it's concept is mind boggling. Even the HALO concept is close to a Dyson Sphere, except the Halo is a ring. I just love out there concepts like these.

[@MuljoStpho]

@@patrickcromwell7554 Star Trek? (Which iteration had that episode? TNG, I think?) The idea of a Dyson Sphere is older than that, isn't it? (looks it up) Okay, so it got its name from a guy named Freeman Dyson who formalized the idea in a paper he wrote in 1960, but his thoughts had been inspired by a scifi novel called Star Maker written by Olaf Stapledon in 1937. And there are many variants of the idea. Such as a disorganized swarm of structures or a ring formation of structures or a bubble formation of structures or one solid shell structure or a few other concepts. Dyson always thought that the shell version was the least plausible one. (Justifiably. That'd require an absurd amount of resources required compared to the supersized satellites that would make up some sort of formation of structures around the star.) It does make for an astounding concept to bring into a movie or show, though. The scale of such a thing... I haven't heard of Moon Fall before seeing it mentioned here, but your comment on the "our ancestors made it" part made me think of "the Ancients" from Stargate. Those shows had the Ancients responsible for some pretty ambitious projects, although I don't think that they ever had them go as far as building any form of Dyson Sphere. Largest structure in the show was the Ori supergates, right? (And then that example is cheating since the knowledge of how to build it came entirely from "ascended beings" on a higher plane of existence, not the ingenuity of clever mortals.)

[@jrsydvl7218]

Conspiracy theorists had those whacky ideas long before the movie. Years ago, a co-worker told me the moon is an ark that transdimensional aliens used to seed the earth with life. He also believes the moon is hollow because it rang like a bell when they crashed a lunar module into it.

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

@@MuljoStpho Yes, Star Trek did not invent the Dyson sphere. It is the STNG episode where they bring Scotty back. The Dyson Sphere concept was completely wasted. They only used it as something to get trapped in like a kid in a refrigerator.

[@Artemie-np3qu]

I will give her credit, she does believe Australia exists

[@wolphin732]

the "No native flora or fauna in the south" I scared the person on the next desk over... from my facepalm... as they they contradicted themselves when they talked about the penguins!

[@Sheesha87]

Typical flat earther "I don't understand how it works so I'm just going to make some stuff up" #gottalietoflerf

[@shaneeslick]

G'day Sheesha, Hope you are well, Notice she stopped looking at Australia & the Southern Hemisphere when she was talking about the Suns Rotation on the FE Model between the Tropics of Cancer & Capricorn. Doesn't work for our Sunrise at 120° SE & Sunset 240° SW during our Summer Equinox around 20 December even all the way down to Hobart in Tasmania thousands of Kilometres South of the Tropic Line which passes through Western Australia, Northern Territory & Queensland.

[@dogwalker666]

@@shaneeslick on that Flurf cartoon the sun is always the same distance away from the UK, Its just as close at night, oopsies. They are so blinded by there faith.

[@KATOGOJIRA7223]

That's exactly what your believers done made shit up

[@Sheesha87]

@@shaneeslick I'm well thanks, how are you? They don't like to discuss how the sun works over Australia because it blows their weak little model out of the water.

[@shaneeslick]

@@Sheesha87 I'm struggling a little at the moment, but not giving in like I used to, instead I keep doing my Physical & Mental exercises every day 😉

[@elizabethfrench9164]

I am genuinely curious as to how thick the flat earthers think their flat earth is. This isn’t on topic Dan, but with all your research into this marginal group of people have they addressed this?

[@ianallan8005]

Flat earth is very thick

[@MrBizteck]

Only last weekmy 13 year old son was talking about flat earth. He exclaimed 'Then what the fk is underneath?' It made me laugh.

[@Sun_Flower1]

@@MrBizteck Four Elephants, standing on the back of a Space Turtle. 😉😁

[@dogwalker666]

@@Sun_Flower1 the turtle moves 🤫

[@dogwalker666]

@@MrBizteck Gleem claims the south pole is underneath 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@josleys]

So time and time again, the flerfers complain about the globe, but never, ever do they explain how things work flawlessly on flat Earth.

[@vaishaksuresh8555]

I told my 8 year old nephew that there are people on Earth now, who think that the Earth is a flat disk and that the sun and the moon goes around on top of this disk. The first thing he asked me was whether I was joking. I said no and showed him a flat Earth model in google images. Seeing this he goes on to say "if this is the case, then why am I not able to see the sun as a small ball of light, when it is further away from my position on the disk Earth". "even if the sun is away from my position, it should be able to slightly illuminate every region of this flat disk" An 8 year old child, who's solar system knowledge is absolute zero, could easily understand that a flat Earth is not possible, just by observation. but unfortunately some adults on this globe don't. It's just a shame for humanity at a whole.

[@swift2765]

8 year old kids don’t talk like that.. and i know you, I live in your street.. you don’t have any kids

[@Achie79]

@@swift2765 A nephew is not your kid 🤦‍♂

[@swift2765]

@@Achie79 who threw you a peanut?? No kids as in no kid nephews.. it’s not hard.. well it might be for a simpleton like you to comprehend

[@miscellaneousetc.4280]

Reminds me of when I asked my 10 year old why the earth isn't flat and she replied "because gravity doesn't build things that way" she was right. 10 years old.

[@vaishaksuresh8555]

@@swift2765 I said nephew... Not kid 😂 You would be shocked to know what 8 year olds in this generation can do. And if you live in my street, please identify yourself with your real name, because what you're doing is real creepy 😂

[@yourewrong4090]

For 15 minutes, you made me forget about issues and problems. And you added a good smile. Thank you, Dan, and keep it up!

[@Teatur_]

As a “math guy”, it infuriates me to no end when people like this basically say “math is too confusing for me to understand, so it must be fake.” Like I understand exactly how hard math can be, but to be so arrogant as to basically say that you are a genius because you’re smarter than everyone who had spent years studying it is so sad. It’s literally one of the most fundamental building blocks of human civilization.

[@ExcaliburAero]

I agree. Can I buy a bagel?

[@peterdobson3435]

Thank you Dan. I learned something new today and you were the teacher. I now better understand the relationship between the equatorial plane, geometric center of the sun and our seasons. Here's an old dog learning a new trick. :)

[@Elysium_the_Bard]

"They get things wrong about the sun, they misunderstand things about the sun, and they even lie about the sun." Yes, but the more important thing to point out is that the flat earthers don't praise the sun. \o/ ( ) Their heresy knows no bounds...

[@paulmadryga]

"...the flat earthers don't praise the sun." Ummm... I'll bet there are some who do.

[@visitor55555]

Just out of curiosity, if there's no gravity WHY do either the sun or moon spin in a circle?

[@tma2001]

Love how she forgets the Sun is only instantaneously on the equator - as she read the Sun is indeed changing in declination most rapidly during an equinox. Its not like it stands still throughout the whole day of an equinox! (that's approx. what happens during solstices).

[@karenbsunkemptbush5819]

details , details. Mark Sargent told me it was flat and he also let me take off the Patricia mask to eat the dinner I made for him.

[@Earthislife1031]

Lol I love the look on her face when she realizes it works on the heliocentric model 🤣

[@RickReasonnz]

It's her "A... 15 degree per hour drift" moment

[@robkesik6382]

What point in the video is that? I could not make it more than 3-4 minutes in. Although Dan does his best, I just find her utterly boring.

[@IslandHermit]

The equinox is an instant in time. If Earth were to freeze in its orbit at that instant then the day/night lengths would be much closer to each other. But the Earth continues to move in its orbit, which accounts for a portion of the day/night difference.

[@PJ_TheAverageGamer]

Of coarse her name is Karen. And thank you Dan for pronouncing Brisbane correctly Americans and pronouncing Australian locations is shocking.

[@StarlightCelestine]

They keep getting it wrong because the simulation they reside in is Flat as their brain cells.

[@piketfencecartel]

Dan said CuriosityStream is $14.99 for the year, but I just signed up for the HD package (not 4k) but got it for $11.99 for a year. There is a current code for mothers day, be sure to change it to scimandan so he gets the credit. Cheaper than a weekend of beer. lol

[@thekwoka4707]

"no flora or fauna living down there" Oh god, another Penguin denier.

[@cyruskarloff7219]

God makes Penguins live there. God hates the P-. 🐧

[@Jim_Jones_Guyana]

There are also different type of seals & sea lions, birds, insects, and of course marine creatures. Along the warmer coastal areas there are non-vascular plants such as mosses, liverworts, lichens, and algae.

[@archiejohnston498]

Who will speak for the whales?

[@sitfish1113]

We all know polar bears are fake because there is no fauna in the artic

[@Jim_Jones_Guyana]

@@sitfish1113 I have evidence that polar bears are CGI. 😒 kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWPRc3WDl8-Gbtk 😁

[@cguy96]

Actually, I thought your hand-drawn circles were pretty good. I was impressed. D-K explains all of this. In science, we would say an equinox is when day and night are of equal duration TO ZEROETH ORDER. The difference between a flerfer and a normal human is that when a flerfer sees a small deviation from the 0th order they scream “conspiracy!” When a normal human sees that, most ignore it, the rest become good scientists when they ask “why?”

[@awfuldynne]

According to Hong Kong observatory "Effect of atmospheric refraction on the times of sunrise and sunset", "When the sunlight from the Sun's upper edge reaches the horizon at sunrise and sunset, the actual altitude of the center of the sun is about -0°50’" At 15° per hour, an additional 100 arc minutes from sunrise and sunset gives us an equinox day of 12 hours 6 minutes 40 seconds. (The sun takes four minutes to travel one degree, and 100 arc minutes is 1⅔°, so 4 minutes per degree * 1⅔ degrees is 6 ⅔ minutes) Math catch: this is only true at the equator where the sun rises straight up from the horizon and crosses the sky's zenith on the equinox. The higher your latitude, the more slanted a path the sun takes across the sky, the longer it takes to _vertically_ traverse those 50 arc minutes because it has a larger horizontal component of motion.

[@cguy96]

@@awfuldynne yes, but why? Not sure how a precise analysis pertains to my comment.

[@awfuldynne]

@@cguy96 Sometimes I latch onto a phrase but what I have to say isn't actually relevant to the discussion. I was focused on the zeroth order thing, tried to quantify the expected discrepancy between the zeroth order and a more refined analysis, and it seems I found something a bit larger than what the flerfer's sunrise/sunset table said it is. "Why?" indeed

[@bnease007]

I know this “B” person! Actually I know so many of these people! They were absolutely right! In middle school and high school, when selecting classes, these were the students who said, “Why would I ever take high school calculus, trigonometry and physics classes? It’s not like I will ever use ‘that stuff!’” Moms and dads agreed, or couldn’t be bothered 😞. But, there’s Great News! They were indeed absolutely, unequivocally, 💯 percent right! They don’t use, “that stuff”; because they chose not to learn “that stuff” and therefore are incapable of understanding, “that stuff.” Such foresight! Such wisdom! The “stuff” which makes it easy for us to understand how and why the physical world exists as it does and why the shortest possible flight path from New York to London appears as an arc, and so many other amazing things we understand, we sometimes take for granted why it is we simply “get it,” while others look dazed and confused, out-of-focus and bemused. We forget that their self-limiting mathematical education was restricted to two-dimensional models (and the occasional parabola). We are baffled by these people who live in perpetual state of incredulity and argue their points through gainsay. I really do believe we take it for granted that we took and passed calculus, trig, and physics in high school. Thus we know and even use “that stuff,” well - most of the time 🤷‍♂️ Am I right? Let’s give Sci Man Dan a pick-me-up. I imagine you’ve already given this video a 👍🏻, as a token of your appreciation, and I am equally sure you’re a subscriber. Presumptuous, aren’t I? Now, let’s give the Sci Man data he can work with! If you took calculus, trigonometry and physics (or similar) classes classes in high school or earlier, let him know by leaving me a like 👍🏻 below. I’d love to hear your take, so feel free to reply, if you choose. Together, we will give SCI MAN DAN an idea of just how many brilliant people are in his audience from all across this glorious flat equilateral triangle we call Earth! 😆 Just kidding… “Equilateral,” ha! How terribly obtuse! 😉

[@TheDeath138]

Well I mean, while I did learn that stuff I certainly don't use a good majority of it in my every day life. However I do agree that having learned it does provide the tools to understand basic science.

[@Earthislife1031]

Love how she pulled out the old Gleason map with the circling sun and moon, even though most flat earthers claim they dont have a model.

[@stus2159]

I love how people make broad sweeping generalized statements about entire groups of people.

[@eliasroflchopper3006]

@@stus2159 he said most, not all.

[@ReValveiT_01]

@@slevinchannel7589 You wanna try that again with the words in the right order?

[@karljenkinson8241]

@@stus2159 suggesting that flerfs are either idiots or ignorant Dunning Kruger champions seems like a perfectly reasonable generalisation.

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@ReValveiT_01 Theyx were in the right order, honey. If the sentence is too long for yo, let's be mature about it and not attack each other, ok?

[@greatcircle77]

And how does that prove a flat earth Karen? We'll wait.

[@XtreeM_FaiL]

Well... the way she explain it. "I don't understand, so it is flat."

[@MusicalMadman1two3]

I love how she believed everything she read on that wiki page unconditionally, until it said refraction, something she probably just doesn’t understand

[@timothystockman7533]

The Earth's EQUATORIAL plane is in line with sun on the equinox. So why does she keep picking cities which are not near the equator?

[@mrxmry3264]

you've heard of cherrypicking, right? thats what flattards are good at. anyway, at the equator the day length is very close to 12 hours (give or take a few minutes) all year. the further you get from the equator, the more the length varies between summer and winter. here in the UK for example we have about 16 hours in summer and about 8 hours in winter.

[@dogwalker666]

Flurfs can't Geography.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

@@dogwalker666 Correction: Flerfs _must not ever_ geography.

[@dogwalker666]

@@RideAcrossTheRiver good point.

[@Timelord79]

Yes, of course, it’s backengineered math. That’s how you figure out models. You take measurements, Analyse the data, figure out equations and a model fitting those measurements (the back engineering part), then make predictions based on that model, measure again to see if it holds up, refine and prefect the model, measure again, rinse repeat until you get it completely right. Where does she think those predicted tables that she refers to, comes from?

[@ChoirFan1]

Dan, from someone who has lived most of his life in Brisbane, Australia, and suffers a nervous twitch every time an American pronounces my city’s name…thank you for the correctional interjection!

[@Chocobotamer]

Fridays are great. Work week ends, weekend starts and another flat Earther earns us all a free science lesson. Much appreciated, Dan, enjoy your weekend!

[@KATOGOJIRA7223]

You mean fake science

[@Chocobotamer]

@@KATOGOJIRA7223 From the flat Earther's side, you are correct, yes.

[@TorgoMummy]

Thinking of the sun, I wonder if any flat earther has measured the speed of the movement of the sun? If the sun is smaller and closer to the earth and moving rather then us surely the speed the sun traveling through the sky would be measurably different?

[@XtreeM_FaiL]

Bob did.

[@TorgoMummy]

@@XtreeM_FaiL ah yes, and found a 15 degree per hour drift

[@TypographyGuru]

Not just speed. Size, position in the sky, distances … nothing would work when actually measured. That’s why there is no 'flat earth model’, just a ‘flat earth narrative’ good enough for the gullible.

[@ReValveiT_01]

It would, yes. Mention that to a flerf and marvel at how fast their fingers travel from their sides to their ears.

[@mrxmry3264]

@@XtreeM_FaiL no he didn't. he measured the rotation of the earth. thanks, bob!

[@briannicusrex5397]

On the flat Earth model there would be no night, The sun would cycle in size as it moved away and towards you, but it would never be blocked. The model show's the sun's light magically limited to a downward spotlight in order to have night. Is there a giant lamp shade over the sun? Is there a giant mountain, higher than the sun, at the north pole that the blocks the sun when it's on the other side? An oddly invisible mountain that blocks light? I'd love to know the explanation.