Flying a Piaggio P180 Avanti to 35000ft. A Pilot Perspective

The Piaggio P180 Avanti II twin-engine turboprop business aircraft is the successor to the P180 Avanti, of which more than 100 have been produced since its entry into service in 1990. P180 Avanti II was displayed at the 2010 AirVenture held between 26 July 2010 and 29 August 2010.
Intro/Aircraft Walk Around -00:00-02:41
Preflight/Startup -02:41-4:27
Taxi -Take off -04:28-07:20
Inflight Cross X-07:21 -10:36
Landing -10:37-16:05
The P180 AvantiI has a maximum operating speed of Mach 0.7. The aircraft is certified for single-pilot operation and seats up to nine passengers. Avanti II introduces enhanced avionics, higher performance in terms of speed and payload and a higher level of cabin comfort. The operational ceiling of the Avanti is 41,000ft allowing the aircraft to fly above weather systems.
The aircraft are constructed at Piaggio Aero’s manufacturing facilities in Genoa, Italy. Piaggio America, Inc. based in West Palm Beach, Florida, completes, delivers and supports the Avanti aircraft in North America.
Flying a Piaggio P180 Avanti to 35000ft. A Pilot Perspective the most beautiful turbo prop ever built. Quite possibly the smoothest flying aircraft ive been in.
Avanti EVO blends the very best of Italian style, peerless craftsmanship, and intelligent thinking to create an aircraft that stands alone for its values. With greater range, faster climb, reduced fuel costs, a lower noise footprint, added safety systems, and a more luxurious cabin, Avanti EVO is yet another step forward. Its speed exceeds 400 KTAS, faster than many jets and at a fraction of the direct running costs. Add to that a significantly improved service and support network, an innovative new maintenance program that can keep costs under control better than ever, and Avanti EVO stands alone for intelligence and elegance.
PIAGGIO AEROSPACE AVANTI EVO SPECIFICATIONS
EXTERNAL DIMENSIONS
Span 14.345 m 47.06 ft
Length 14.408 m 47.27 ft
Height 3.980 m 13.06 ft
CABIN DIMENSIONS
Height 1.75 m 5.74 ft
Width 1.85 m 6.07 ft
Length 4.55 m 14.92 ft
Max Seating Capacity 8+2 crew
Typical Executive Payload 6+1 crew
BAGGAGE COMPARTMENT
Volume 1.00 m3 35 ft3
Length 1.70 m 5.58 ft
Maximum Weight 159 Kg 350 lb
PRESSURIZATION
Differential 0.62 bar 9.0 psi
Sea Level cabin up to 7,315 m 24,000 ft
WEIGHTS
Max Take-off Weight 5,489 Kg 12,100 lb
Max Landing Weight 5,216 Kg 11,500 lb
Max Zero Fuel Weight 4,445 Kg 9,800 lb
Standard Empty (Shuttle Configuration) 3,561 Kg 7,850 lb
Max Fuel Capacity 1,271 Kg 2,802 lb
Fuel with Max Net Payload 1,066 Kg 2,350 lb
Max Net Payload 794 Kg 1,750 lb
Net Payload with Max Fuel 589 Kg 1,298 lb
Max Fuel Capacity (Increased Range Config.) 1,451 Kg 3,200 lb
POWERPLANT
2 x Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A-66B Engines 850shp/634kW each (ISA, sea level), at-rated from 1,630hp
2 x Hartzell ve-scimitar blades low noise Propellers
PERFORMANCE
Maximum Speed (at 31,000ft ISA) 745 km/h 402 KTAS
MMO 0.70 Mach
Max Range (NBAA IFR, Standard Conf.) 2,759 km 1,490 NM
Max Range (NBAA IFR, Increased Range Conf.) 3,278 km 1,770 NM
Service Ceiling 12,497 m 41,000 ft
Rate of Climb (MTOW, 12,100lb) 844 mpm 2,770 fpm
Take-Off Distance (SL, ISA, to clear 50ft) 972 m 3,190 ft
Landing Distance (SL, ISA, 50ft, MLW, no reverse) 1,000 m 3,282 ft
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[@SirDrifto]

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[@tonywilson4713]

I did aerospace engineering but crash landed in industrial control systems and automation. This plane is one of those fascinating design exercises where they looked for improvement and not only got it but didn't create a pile of problems. Way too often we see people across all the engineering fields trying to come up with solutions to problems that don't really exist. This was one of those concepts that did look at a problem which is one of the fundamental aspects of the standard 2 surface plane which is that the control surface (the elevator) is ostensibly always fighting the twisting effect of the main surface (the wing). Not only does that canard balance out those forces making all 3 surfaces more efficient but the fuselage also provides lift. Not a huge amount but its more efficient. Overall its a great piece of engineering for any engineer to look at as a case study in solving a problem with out creating other problems. Thanks for the post.

[@electricaviationchannelvid7863]

You got me when you mentioned being a Starship & Burt Rutan design fan... I am looking to find ways how to build my own...Velocity aircraft are great I think but they are hardly affordable in GA...

[@SirDrifto]

@@electricaviationchannelvid7863 absolutely love velocity aircraft

[@Naija4K]

The range is trash. Even if you modified it to add a bladder tank like on Lear 35, it would not be competitive. There is a reason why it’s not popular.

[@tonywilson4713]

@@Naija4K Dude YOU ARE NOT comparing similar aircraft. You're comparing a turboprop to a jet. The Piaggio has a range of 2800km, which for EUROPE is plenty and for most for America plenty. Comparing 4 other twin turboprops The Embraer EMB 121 Xingu - 1230km The Cessna 425 Corsair/Conquest I - 3048km The Piper PA-31T Cheyenne - 2739km Comparing 2 similar single turboprops The Piper PA-46 Meridian (M600) - 2668km The Pilatus PC-12 - 3417km

[@nico5179]

My father used to work for Piaggio, and he personally was the supervisor of building this aircraft when it was sold abroad to other countries. He was also friends with the designer of the aircraft. It was just a marvel to see it in person when he used to invite me at the hangar as a kid to watch it being built. Definitely the most beautiful turboprop airplane to have ever been built.

[@rezzoc91]

May I allow myself a Belandi of respect for you father

[@femanvate]

You'll never forget the sound of a P180 once you hear it. Air deflected by the main wings is half lower pressure and half higher pressure, and this immediately runs through the multi-bladed propellers causing a very unique buzzing or sawing sound.

[@SirDrifto]

Very distinct yet beautiful sound ineed

[@Vincentschneider007]

Had one overfly my home several years ago and had to go outside to see what aircraft it was. It landed just north at local airport so went up there and spent about an hour talking to pilot and got to go onboard. Awesome aircraft.

[@fuffoon]

Loud and screamy. Comes over the house every few days and I watch happily.

[@graemecatty9921]

Interesting. I was under the impression that it was the exhaust gases hitting the props that caused the loud noise.

[@ScottPC]

I literality just heard one go overhead and had to KZbin the aircraft. It sounded like a old world war fighter plane. Mega!!

[@dominickkrahnstoever7362]

The Piaggio P180 is absolutely gorgeous. As a pilot, it would be a dream come true if I got a chance to fly it. However, as someone who worked as a ramp agent at an FBO, this plane can go to hell. I have never been more terrified for my life than when I had to disconnect a GPU from one of these after they started their engines. (The external power receptacle is positioned so you have to get VERY close to a spinning propeller to disconnect the GPU).

[@SirDrifto]

I like your honesty 🤣

[@craigbmm4675]

hah yikes

[@goagin]

I'd be holding on to that cord like I was a rattle snake

[@allegorx58]

cool comment. glad ya never got got

[@youtubecomments5951]

Honestly this is the ugliest plane out there. But planes made for efficiency and all need to be what it is.

[@ericcurry1119]

The most beautiful propeller aircraft ever designed.

[@Subgunman]

Let’s not forget the Beech Starship One.

[@ericcurry1119]

It’s strange the beech ship was not as successful, it was not nearly as pretty As the Piagio

[@lebojay]

P-51

[@andia.4980]

Saw it the first time and loved it after 2 seconds! 👍

[@carloslara8067]

The fastest and more beautiful turboprop ever built.

[@kaydesign]

Years ago I watched one flying over the Historic center of Amsterdam. Looks like a spaceship mixed with a WW2 plane sound. Those Italians… 🇮🇹❤

[@stevespawn1]

517 mph at 35,000 feet and not a jet-pretty cool!

[@Vincentschneider007]

One overflew my home a few years back, the sound is totally different. Went up to local airport and talked with pilot and was able to go onboard the aircraft. Awesome plane.

[@SirDrifto]

Super distinctive sound.

[@djjamar]

My dream aircraft I love it. Thank you Italy for building such a nice design

[@denislemelin7653]

That’s one beautiful machine. Just looks so pilot friendly.

[@Altenholz]

I'll just say, that if you have a soft spot for non-mainstream aircraft, you're bound to end up with the Piaggio. Really great aircraft!

[@CalmBeforeTheStorm76]

Just gorgeous.... How can anyone who loves aviation not find the elegance in this aircraft?

[@SirDrifto]

Agreed!

[@richc47us]

I like the fact you've even got the chance to fly the Starship ! Wow...the Piaggio is amazing

[@Keet619]

An incredible airplane, huge KUDO's to their Italian design/builders!

[@johnnygiblets4395]

Thank you for the commentary at the end. It's great to hear a pilot's perspective and not just the sales pitch. Great video! Thank you.

[@SirDrifto]

Thanks for the kind words 🙏

[@jimk9290]

One of the 10 most beautiful planes ever! Also, a great design, with the canard permitting aft wing location, for noise reduction and excellent visibility by everyone on board.

[@flyboyak47]

It’s not a canard, it’s a biplane.

[@Smokeyr67]

@@flyboyak47 ummm, no it’s not.

[@jacobpounds2459]

It is a second wing. Even has a flap. The plane still has a conventional horizontal stabilizer and elevator

[@steveobhave]

@@flyboyak47 Technically as it has 3 lifting surfaces it would be closer to a Triplane but it's actually just defined as a three-surface aircraft (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-surface_aircraft). Scaled Composites has been responsible for several aircraft in this configuration and Burt Rutan, the principal designer, is also well versed in canards also (Vari-EZ, Long-EZ etc).

[@geralddavis8160]

Beautiful aircraft, a work of art.

[@SirDrifto]

It truly is

[@bighaasfly]

Gorgeous plane. An absolute delight. A dream of mine to get the chance to fly one. You’re a lucky lucky man.

[@brianbadovin1919]

I have flown in these as a passenger a couple times while working for the Italian Military.

[@SirDrifto]

That's pretty cool!

[@bambikiller338]

Gosh i think this is the best 180 video i have seen

[@sactu1]

Thanks very much for posting this. The Avanti is my Lottery win airplane!!

[@ianbell4816]

What a beautiful aircraft!

[@HB-ps6rn]

Years ago I used to live next to KBJC and it was always great to see that bird fly over! Such a unique sound and design

[@markcrawford8876]

Tha pitch on those props sitting still says it all, almost level to the ground. She got some thrust to spin those puppies! It's definitely moving some air.

[@SirDrifto]

They acceleration is quite surprising

[@swampfuel20]

Well Done! Description of vid was spot on. Enjoyed the ride. Cheers. God is Good ALWAYS!

[@serega_orlov]

Классный самолет! Вот такими должны быть пассажирские большие лайнеры!

[@eldritchshiner]

Such a fabulous aircraft.

[@yungchi1127]

I fly A320 in Asia now, and has been dreaming about this beauty for years, hope to fly with her someday as a hired pilot, or even own her, haha! You guys are lucky person. Have fun with Avanti!

[@SirDrifto]

That sounds like a fun job!

[@Klara906090]

A320 is a far bigger bird though

[@rogerhargreaves2272]

Wow, that was amazing. Thank you for sharing. 😀👍

[@jvs333]

An old client has one flew on it a few times. Cool plane beautiful design

[@SirDrifto]

Pretty cool right?

[@jvs333]

@@SirDrifto super cool nice designer interior. Like supercar with wings

[@lutronc4412]

Just saw one here in Oregon fly over my house. The sound is pretty unique that is why I looked up. N288LA

[@SirDrifto]

They have the most distinctive prop sounds 👍

[@ubermenschen3636]

@@SirDrifto ::: regular prop versus the new scimitar, the newer prop is quieter.

[@HQBergeron]

Where were you in Oregon? I know there used to be one in Sunriver.

[@gerrymccarthy9568]

Completely amazing.

[@gendaminoru3195]

3 min into this video and I was already loving it. Great job and thanks for the rare close up. BTW, is there a retrofit STC to upgrade older models to EVO specs?

[@barthutchison4207]

There's been a P180 flying out of PGD in SWFL recently. Such a unique sound and sighting for this area.

[@malcolmar]

I LOVE this plane. Thank you for the video. Subscribed!

[@SirDrifto]

Thanks!

[@michaelsoost6493]

I can´t get over how beautiful the engine sound is 🥰

[@SirDrifto]

Music to the ears

[@Subgunman]

To those on th3 ground it is a unique sound. The exhaust sound is chopped by the props passing over the exhaust. It is the Same for the Beech Starship One. No issues with the props getting hit by the hot exhaust .

[@maryhines322]

Outside they are noisy, inside in cruise you can talk in a normal voice from the cockpit to the most rear seat in the cabin. It's the most speed stable plane I've ever flown, you can literally hand fly it within one knot. Well built with exceptional performance. Not a short field aircraft.

[@markfox1545]

'Literally hand fly it'? Not figuratively hand fly it? Thanks for clearing up that potential source of confusion. Cretin.

[@md.moinulislam9467]

This is awesome & good looking Aircraft....

[@willk7184]

I don't know much about planes (I'm learning though). That control panel just looks so elegant and intuitive.

[@SirDrifto]

It’s got some nice upgrades

[@shortribslongbow5312]

Incredible aircraft not to mention the beautiful looks. :o).

[@John____Smith]

Beautiful airplane!

[@leonardodearaujo1828]

I'm a fan of this airplane ✈️ 💜 😄 Amazing design, I love canars, so Gripen NG also

[@domenicocolletti6052]

That's not a canard. It's a frontal wing

[@redjacc7581]

lovely looking aircraft.

[@kenbrownfield6584]

The more I watch these plane videos, the more I realize I don't know shit about flying a plane. Kudos to pilots that know what they're doing.

[@rogersmart1766]

Thank you for that! It is the Ferrari of the skies, without a doubt.

[@SirDrifto]

It really is

[@bruno84]

400+ knots GS on a turboprop, that's pretty impressive!

[@SirDrifto]

It sure is. Jet category at those speeds

[@bryanrendleman2001]

He said 454kts ground speed. Must have had that western tail wind.

[@GenAnaesthetic77]

Hardly Jet category when you spend ages to get to altitude and at a very slow speed. The block speeds for this aircraft are unimpressive

[@vapsa56]

There are a few Avantis at RDU. Can always tell when they fly over my home a few times a week because of their unique sound.

[@marcostovar7968]

Great aircraft and pilot

[@alexclements5631]

Nice interior shots !

[@modelleg]

I'd love to introduce the Piaggio to Orville and Wilbur. I'd say to them, " See you had it right all along !"

[@Yosemite-George-61]

...ever seen a B-36? 🙂

[@buoemi]

Controls are position and are more similar to the Piaggio than the b-36

[@user-wp3ev9sq1v]

Приятно смотреть конструкции самолета!👏👍

[@martentrudeau6948]

It looks fantastic, so it must fly fantastic as well.

[@SirDrifto]

It does indeed.

[@jorgetapia4810]

So smooth

[@Yesitsqk]

Incredible aircraft

[@SirDrifto]

Agreed 👍

[@billadams8795]

That's a big Cat Fish. I'd love to fly in one someday. 325 TAS... that's awesome.

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

Thanks! Always wondered what the P180 weedwhackers sounded like from inside. At cruise, it seems a lot louderf rom the ground.

[@stratobee]

Love that bird - flown in it too!

[@SirDrifto]

It's such a cool plane. Great owner too.

[@philippelambinet1425]

I did not fly version II but I've been all over Europe with the original version and I absolutely love it

[@mpetry912]

beautiful climb out !

[@SirDrifto]

It was quite the view

[@THELIFEOFPRICE]

Hands down my favorite airplane currently. Looking at getting one in the future and have so many questions since all the videos on KZbin are so dated. I saw in the video there was two avantis in that hanger. Are they for charter / rent? Is the guy flying it the owner or just the pilot?

[@SirDrifto]

I'm happy to answer any questions you have sir. This one has had some tasteful avionics upgrades etc. Shoot me a message. Happy to put you in touch.

[@THELIFEOFPRICE]

@@SirDrifto where should I message you? Or email?

[@THELIFEOFPRICE]

@@SirDrifto shot you an email and also a message on instagram

[@HQBergeron]

@@SirDrifto Very nice video. Well done. Do you recall what avionics upgrades had been done? I had seen a P180 awhile back with some Garmin upgrades, but there weren’t any close ups on this video to see for certain unless a person is more familiar than I am. I actually love the original engine performance dials combined with the more advanced navigation abilities of the upgrades. Seems like an ideal combination, plus the original Avanti P180 is going to be less expensive to purchase in any given condition. I would like to know an estimate of the upgrade price if you have it. Thanks!

[@senoJSR]

There is one that flies into our local airport quite regularly. It has a distinctive sound

[@SirDrifto]

Very distinctive

[@user-ws7us5me4s]

Yeah,just horrible noisy 🤮

[@user-ws7us5me4s]

@@SirDrifto sure ,just horrible for a new concept plane 🤮

[@davidmoorea1961]

A True Ferrari…with WINGS that soars 7-MILES [Straight UP!!] & ‘RACES’ at 523-MPH..!!! IOW’s…, a BULLET without peer🇺🇸 *note: EXCELLENT VIDEO, with scenery that’s Heavenly.., and the sky’s not too bad looking either.😎

[@SirDrifto]

Those couldn’t be more true words. 👍

[@d8889]

It was the son of Enzo Ferrari, Pietro, who took over and relaunched the Piaggio Aeronautical Industries in 1998 and determined the success of the P180

[@collinfraser1218]

They say “ if it looks like it will fly …………..? That is one sweet looking airplane ! 🇨🇦🙏🇺🇦❤️

[@SirDrifto]

Great point. Thanks!

[@craigbmm4675]

sleek bird . so cool

[@Happy-wb8gi]

Italians dre just amazing designers.

[@rodolfogiunta9886]

La luminosa 💥creatividad..de Italia..también en el aire".. (Gracias .! 🤲)

[@ScottPC]

I literality just heard one go overhead and had to KZbin the aircraft. It sounded like a old world war fighter plane. Mega!!

[@SirDrifto]

They sound pretty neat

[@TheCitationEncore]

It may look great but from an owners perspective, you can't get parts for it, the support from Piaggio was mediocre at best and the savings evaporate when you end up having to charter another aircraft because yours is stuck AOG on some remote airport. We traded ours in for a CJ and its a thousand times better...

[@flyerone63]

I flown the Avanti II, up to few hours to 800. I can say the Avanti 2 is much better than Avanti I. Loved in USA, less in Europe. Good project, excellent aircraft, but bad commercial management.

[@solinvictus1234]

In Europe is not so famous cause them politically and industrially fight eachothers. Immagine a proud arrogant french or a ingegneristically God believer German admit that this plane is great....impossible.

[@stealhty1]

Coolest turbo prop ever built

[@SirDrifto]

So dang true

[@marcusgriffin279]

Beechcraft Starship has entered the chat!

[@boone7777777777]

I like the body shape of this plane. The canard are well placed

[@SirDrifto]

Much agreed

[@thunderbolt513]

This aircraft is just a blast. Wonder why it never "hit the charts" on general aviation.

[@Whatsupvideosnew]

Wow, its so nice.

[@AllTheBestCO]

Liked and subscribed

[@tcvet]

Best aircraft. 😍👍👍👍

[@SirDrifto]

Agreed 💯

[@flowerpowerj485]

Out of Broomfield! Awesome

[@SirDrifto]

A great airport 👍

[@duartesimoes508]

As gorgeous as noisy! When I was ATCo I could hear an Avanti 10 nm away!

[@SirDrifto]

Very distinct

[@jimlofaro5695]

A little Ferrari in the Sky. So BEAUTIFUL.

[@KutWrite]

Reminds me of the Beech Starship. Very cool!

[@SirDrifto]

One of my favorites

[@johnnunn8688]

Looked after one at Oxford Airport. Once while inspecting the cabin, I found 50p. 😀

[@lot6129]

WINNING!

[@andysimpson8974]

With money like that... 🤔 💭

[@leokimvideo]

It's a lovely aircraft in style and has the 80's new design ideas but the problem with pusher configurations like this is simple to explain. Propellers really need to be in clean air without engine exhaust and rocks kicked up from wheels from the wheels on takeoff. The amount of extra servicing to pusher style propellers is extraordinary. I've seen what damage is done to pusher style props and it's nasty. No wonder other aircraft manufacturers dumped this style of design.

[@SirDrifto]

I’ve always wondered about debris

[@electricaviationchannelvid7863]

The MiG-29 has some steel plate assembly on the nosewheel to prevent that when operating from less prepared runways...so it is a question of design/engineering to put that extra stuff there...

[@leokimvideo]

@@SirDrifto Runway debris can do major damage to aluminium & composite blades. In simple terms it severely shortens the life of the blades. There's defines limits to what repairs can be carried out in relation to stone and rock damage. And if one blade is damaged out of service it's often difficult to find a suitable blade thats going to be the correct weight to work with the other blades. Sadly many people take props for granted. They are too often neglected and overlooked. But when they go wrong it often happens without warning. That's when the real panic sets in.

[@markfrank0924]

Am I wrong? Costs to operate are far lower than a comparable jet.

[@Paul51178]

The only real servicing for the props is occasionally cleaning exhaust soot off of the blades. They sit relatively high off the ground so there really isn't much problem with debris.

[@chiplarkin4069]

I live near the Scottsdale airport, KSDL. Sounds badass taking off.

[@SirDrifto]

Yes indeed!

[@davem5333]

I live about a mile east of KMDW. A few years ago there was one of these flying out at night. But one always knew exactly what plane it was. Totally distinct sounds.

[@fredhinck9685]

Head of the RCMP some years ago was Italian, had to have one of these for his command.

[@SirDrifto]

That's awesome

[@ToniHiltunen1980]

Hi, nice video there and absolutely one of my favorite planes there...Is that Hot Springs, AR airport?

[@SirDrifto]

Yes they are. And thank you. We departed Hot Springs.

[@whalerlife53]

Good luck maintaining it.

[@docwill184]

A look at the interior and stats on fuel capacities, consumption (taxi, climb and cruise) would be good...

[@-7373]

Интересный и красивый самолёт 👍

[@SirDrifto]

🤙🤙

[@scpowered]

Love that the head set is not absolutely required

[@SirDrifto]

That was a cool aspect about this plane

[@Kraals]

One of the few aircraft I'd really like to fly.

[@SirDrifto]

They're really great planes

[@Kraals]

@@SirDrifto While they may be too high to ID visually, there is no mistaking the sound. The speeds are mind boggling.

[@anthonypropst1818]

I have always heard that the P180 has a service ceiling of 41,000 ft but I have not seen a video of one at that altitude in order to pass over bad weather.

[@freedomforever6718]

Molto bene! Grazie! Amore mio !

[@MojaveDan]

They're beautiful planes. They're also LOUD... I heard one flying over Texas.. and I was in California at the time...

[@richardarcher5789]

😂

[@Rasscasse]

Ha ha 🤣

[@EdwardTilley]

Great video. Awesome plane obviously. Makes me very curious to see how the new (experimental) single-engine (piston & diesel) laminar airflow Celera 500L flies ...

[@SassyPants34]

I love this craft, i wanted to get my type rating done but there wasn't one flying in my country then :(

[@SirDrifto]

What country?

[@SpacemanRick]

Literally my favorite airplane in the world!

[@SirDrifto]

It's pretty cool

[@fredread9216]

Wow, full jet equivalent with prop economy and costs. And a gorgeous aircraft. Why aren’t they super popular. Timing? marketing?

[@michaelsantosuosso7284]

...that's faster than some jets like the Cirrus Vision and almost as fast as the Honda Jet...and Citation Mustang

[@acomingextinction]

That is *remarkable* performance from a turboprop but I'm trying to decide how I feel about the design.

[@patrickbryant8680]

This is one of the most beautiful aircraft ever built. I M O

[@SirDrifto]

Agreed!

[@aholmes0024]

Great Video have a Avanti II under contract hoping everything goes through on the deal. Have a Turbo Commander 690B right now love it but can’t wait to fly in the high 30’s at 400 knots. Can’t wait to close on this. Is this your aircraft. How is the repair and maintenance and parts availability.

[@SirDrifto]

Turbo commander is pretty cool though!

[@ExtremeRecluse]

I have seen these on youtube and over my house. They look real cool. They provide a lot of room in the cabin. They outperform all other turboprops. They are very economical. But why haven't the other aircraft manufacturers caught on and duplicated them?

[@SirDrifto]

Noise is a concern with pushers