FOGGY PETRONAS FP1

[@YAMR1M]

Possibly one of the nicest chassis FTR made too.. I remember making about 180 cranks for these bikes. The last ones were not homologated 120 degree cranks they were flat plane cranks but as the bikes had no chance of winning no one protested them even though the bike sounded very different due to the firing order. There were 150 that were road bikes not 100 and they never used 50 for race use. The race bikes were part of that 150 that were made though. The bikes never made it officially to the road as they would over heat even after Riccardo engineering were involved in the project so Petronas pulled the plug as they did not want to be liable for the possibility of the bikes puking coolant out when they were being ridden. The bikes handled very well but the power was not much more than a 600 sports bike was producing. Its a shame they ran reversed heads so the pipes exited out of the back of the engine.. The back of the engine was so hot it was unreal but with the intake on front bringing in cold air they had ovality issues when running the bikes. They had to re-create a running engine and used a special jig to hone he cylinders back to being round at operating temperatures. If they ran them with the engines in a more traditional lay out the bike would have produced ore power and been more reliable. They threw new engines into the bike after every session and between race one and race two at every round. I would love one but like the Yamaha R7 its only because I worked on the parts that went into the WSB bikes.

[@tylertc1]

Awesome insights, big ups for sharing!

[@colinashby3775]

Why the name foggy?

[@YAMR1M]

@@colinashby3775 FP1 Foggy Petronas after Carl Fogarty who ran their world superbike team... Simple really..

[@colinashby3775]

@@YAMR1M thanks. Is he involved now with them bikes at all

[@YAMR1M]

@@colinashby3775 Petronas didn't make any more bikes after this one. They only sold a few bikes out of the whole production run and then they took all the bikes to a warehouse and stored them away. Too worried about legal issues with bikes overheating ect. The bikes look and handle great but they were not as powerful as people would have hoped so they abandoned the whole thing including the race team. Loads of stories about the whole project including some cheating and not producing the required number of bikes to meet the number of bikes needed to compete in World Superbike. But they did make the numbers needed and they did also make changes that were not within the rules but as they were not title contenders they were over looked and other teams allowed them keep racing.

[@jameshealy4594]

You can hear how light the reciprocating mass is, the revs drop off almost instantly. I think that is partly what people are hearing when they say it sounds like a hedge trimmer or chainsaw.

[@FortyFourTeeth]

Exactly that

[@alphacapo]

Yea but it still sounds like a weed wacker. Wich is awesome btw

[@ToddMurphyAU]

Sounds more like a whipper snipper to me

[@Harnosharn]

Lovely sound , thanks for explaining that I learnt a thing today

[@starfox_wr-45e93]

Sounds like it has a 2 pence piece for a flywheel. And I bet even that's been lightened down to 0.3p.

[@fattymcgee123]

That bike does _not_ look almost 20 years old...

[@Nerezza1]

I was convinced this bike was made last year, until I saw the flaking paint on the frame and rusty reservoir holder. What a jizz machine.

[@Enonymouse_]

It sounds like an engine from 1920 :(, by chance did an HD engineer make this one and slip it into there when nobody was looking?

[@philipcooper8297]

Rare things age slower.

[@robertevans6418]

Used to have a bath that colour in the 70's

[@foolspeedahead]

Robert Evans styles come back around. Don’t get your bell bottoms stuck on the pegs when you get to a stop.

[@psk1w1]

it's pretty close to the Celeste Blue of Bianchi bicycles

[@robertevans6418]

So were the sink and shitter.

[@Patriiiiick]

My old housemate did until about a week ago. Red velvet carpets too.

[@FortyFourTeeth]

Loving all the engine experts here 😂

[@terryc4vts670]

You do realise that they all hold a KZbin engineering degree right 🙄😉

[@YAMR1M]

I worked making engine parts on every single engine built. Stunning design but flawed. I worked with and spoke to Riccardo engineering, Jack Valentine as well as a few of the other companies behind the race engines as Suter was removed from the project after Petronas found he was having components made outside of the contract they had, it seems. I saw one of the copy cranks after Suter sent it due to a "manufacturing error" and it was not one we even made. I was involved in the change of crank phasing from 120 degrees to 180 degrees (never homologated for racing with 180 degree cranks). The race engines all had to be honed with a cylinder deck plate and done hot to allow for the distortion the race engines had due to the rear facing cylinder head and zero airflow over the engine meaning the cylinders became oval during races. The team would swap engines between races and the engines would need to be rebuilt after every race not just after every round. There would have been less issue if the engine had forward facing exhausts but Petronas were not interested in doing any more work with the project so they pulled out of the road homologation testing and put all of the bikes in warehouses as the over heating problem was even an issue with the road bikes in traffic. The end of what could have been a great little bike that was full of then current Moto GP and WSBK technology. Hell the FTR chassis would have been possibly the best handling road bike at the time too... A great but flawed project.

[@alistairthompson2750]

@@YAMR1M that's why none of the other factories protested the bikes not being on sale before racing as they knew they weren't competitive and wsbk was struggling at the time really corser could get a tune out of one in qualifying at times but as soon as he was battling other bikes on track they'd block him mid corner taking his advantage in that area away and at the time wsbk allowed 1000cc fours to race against 750cc fours it would have been better but then would have got protested against still a real good looking bike to this day

[@dilligaf0220]

Holy cats! I remember these, they were almost an urban bike myth. Sauber designed MotoGP bikes converted to WSB triples with engines handbuilt by Suter rode by Troy Corser and backed by Foggy popping up in Malaysian warehouses and old WWII bunkers in Essex...

[@Showmetheevidence-]

Chuck Farley And yet it didn’t ever _really_ feature in the results.

[@starfox_wr-45e93]

@@Showmetheevidence- Teams like this rarely do.

[@radiocrash]

Engine looks abit smokey mate, I'll give you £3500.

[@upbury]

Nah, i will take a punt and offer a grand.

[@ArronAdams1990]

It may be old but it was more than likely quite ahead of it's time

[@russellgreenie]

Mike W They has loads of issues with it. Just after the engine was developed, SBK rules changed, upping the CC limit to 1000cc for 4 cylinder bikes. The FP1 was a 900 triple. It had no chance... The cost of redesigning an engine would of been huge, hence why it was miles off the pace. It really was a doomed project right from the start. Such a shame, it was way ahead of its time. If you can find it, the FP1 project documentary is a really good watch.

[@sugizotakuro]

@@russellgreenie this is what i heard also. because of the regulations they quit.

[@raynic1173]

@@russellgreenie explain to me what on this bike "is ahead of it's time", a reversed head that didn't seem to prove anything?

[@gnarshread]

I never thought to see those make a comeback to popular media. I thought they had disappeard into obscurity. What a thing they were and still are.

[@rideroll9609]

It´s sounds like two stroke on steroids

[@Enonymouse_]

There are some 2 stroke superbikes that put out as much HP as some of the most modern 4 stroke superbikes out there. They just pollute like a mofo and make horrid amounts of noise.

[@gustavmeyrink_2.0]

The first 75 were made in the UK, possibly assembled by Prodrive in Banbury. Got caught out by rule changes which left Petronas with a 900cc 3pot when others used 1000cc fours and thus underpowered. Still managed some podiums in 2004.

[@thepassionofthegoose5472]

I remember these at the tail end of Foggy's career. Interesting bike aside, it was definitely a great time to be a WSB fan.

[@harrydunn3961]

Seen one of these, i work at the BP petrol station about 3 miles away from Silverstone. Absolutely beautiful.

[@stevemulcahy5014]

It really does look like a modern design, but that taillight brings it sharply back to the 2000s

[@sonamoto6246]

Ummm sounds like some very expensive hedge trimmers!

[@Black_Gold_Saw]

haha it really does hahaha

[@alexc456]

100% was just going to say this 😂

[@tinglydingle]

YEaeh I was gonna say it sounds like a leaf blower.

[@aluisious]

It's not going to sound like anything if twats keep revving the engine in neutral while it's cold.

[@Glatzenhaar3]

My hedge trimmer is 600 bucks and it almost sounds the same haha

[@Monk-Darlington]

This makes me feel so old, I remember reading all about it in magazines back in the day and seeing vids of it spitting flaes like mad on track.

[@GL0BETREKKER]

Just hear how fast it revs! Sounds like the crankshaft, pistons and rods have about 5 grams of weight to them. Absolutely bonkers!

[@cybertrophic]

Always loved those. Hampered by rule changes and lack of development, but so beautiful

[@Gixer750pilot]

It’s aged really well !!! Apart from the afterthought street lights it looks modern

[@MotoMichelle]

Wow that colour 😃

[@garyjaurique5028]

Just the best man

[@deanabattams8955]

It sounds like my chainsaw 🙈

[@J2I3H]

Thats an awesome chainsaw then😎

[@sleepindragon179]

I reckon your doing your chainsaw a dis-service!

[@a.s.5280]

also my first thought....

[@IanTed]

Deana Battams Sounds a lot better under load, remember them racing...they sounded so cool.

[@AR-rk9nn]

Deana Battams you have an inline 3 chainsaw?

[@Showmetheevidence-]

We’ve had twins and tons of four cylinders... yet so few triples in big bikes (aside from triumph and MV can’t think of many others). Pity because they do sound great and fill a nice niche in terms of engine characteristics.

[@mattg5898]

Please do more of these types of videos. Maybe taking a look at some old Honda rc bikes. Good channel guys

[@MikeBikeOriginal]

Sweet roary triple, rattling clutch..."your bike's broken man!" "No its just perfect." Love it!

[@davestrain9529]

LIKE WHEN A CAR DRIVER TELLS ME.. ME MOTORS BLOWN ..1974 rd350 ..nope..if it aint SMOKIN its BROKEN. LOL dave boulder CO USA

[@logangallagher7050]

Beautiful bike, love the stacked lights.

[@motorbiketoureruk]

Amazing bit of kit

[@TheNeroScout]

im from Malaysia. This is our pride back days.

[@MyNameIsBelerick]

Damn right!

[@user-gz2pc2jk3t]

ada jer ngaku

[@animexsenpai7909]

memalukan, aku perhati je budak budak mcm ni, membangga bg tau satu dunia, jepun x ckp pun i from Japan gtr is our pride. xdaaa negara maju xda ckp mcm kau ni, bangga tak ke mana, org maju bangga diam, bangang.

[@animexsenpai7909]

@@seriousarrr7840? Ada saya ckp bangang dkt anda tuan?

[@seriousarrr7840]

@@animexsenpai7909 kau bangang kn org xpe? tah kau bdk wechat hahaha

[@jonholmes9407]

Had all the right ingredients but somehow missed the mark. Bloody gorgeous though. I was really excited at the time that Foggy was coming back to WSB and with Corser! I stumped up for tickets and bought a Foggy Petronas cap. In fact I bet I still have it, I'm off to look!

[@debenhamdave4314]

Work of art.

[@noeljohnson690]

Foggy's base of operations was just down the road from me, a colleague of mine bought pretty much half of the garage in the subsequent auction when the venture imploded.

[@crm2507777]

This is why I watch this channel,remember watching the documentary on this bike and team Wanting to see a supermoto or 2 stroke Budget Bike Battle next ☺️

[@clivelanghan3481]

Buy it Chris! BUY IT!!!!!!!

[@KrikkitWarlord]

That noise though, holy moly. Final edition Panigale or that? What a choice.

[@MD-jp5oc]

I'll take the Norton over both!

[@angshumansarmah6626]

4:08 is when they start it up. sounds brutal 🔥

[@Hi-Shine]

Lucky enough to be working at Silverstone Auctions Detailing at RaceRetro next week, Can't wait to see this and hopefully caress it.

[@zarifzalatef9673]

Cold start, love that classic roaring sound, bringing back memories

[@YLFNFB]

Sauber Petronas Engineering era really hits hard. Sauber being more competitive than before, PETRONAS GP1, the twin towers still held the record of being the tallest...

[@fqcraigus]

They have one of those on display in sportsbike shop in Boston

[@hrld6892]

Theres one of these on display in the sportsbikeshop warehouse in Boston (Lincs), looks beautiful. nice little plaque with all the history and stuff.

[@pugtech3538]

You lads get your hands on some amazing pieces!!! Love the channel!

[@PaulMappud]

I almost had a "Thai-Anglo" relationship but her willy put me off...!

[@danielt8960]

I remember those in WSBK constantly in flames. Rocking horse shit these days, well done finding one.

[@HalfdeadRider]

It found them!

[@husky701rider9]

Before I saw the video I assumed it was a brand new electric bike or even a concept. That’s insane. Coolest bike iv ever seen.

[@davedavidson3814]

The tail light upsets me tho

[@Team-fabulous]

Agreed,,,, a bit weird looking

[@tkangwei]

Tail light delete would fix it

[@TeejtheDeej]

Is that Euro spec regulations

[@davedavidson3814]

It’s just a proper sexy exhaust set up that’s kinda screwed by the fat tumour underneath it

[@wobblysauce]

What about the missing blinkers on the front then..

[@salazarangelo1499]

The spirit of 'Malaysia Boleh' is still alive! Well done. Malaysia is capable of producing technology for these high performance motorcycles. Proven fact! MALAYSIA BOLEH !!

[@CarletonJohnson]

Tasty is what it is

[@killroy2948]

Its a Petronas dude..proud to be Malaysian

[@princesssolace4337]

Sekarang apa ada? Semua bagi pelingkup....

[@adiblue100]

Xpayah duk cakap I'm proud to be Malaysia lah.... Mat salleh benci semua tu... aq duk uk 7 tahun.... aq tahu perangai diorang

[@muhdfitri5771]

fgs 23 kenapa mat saleh x suka?? Cer terangkan .. nk tahu jugak

[@stpbasss3773]

Petronas is a Malaysian company? I didn't know that, that's pretty cool.

[@kelvindawe5123]

Great times and bikes a absolute hero riders these times will never come again very sadly. 👍

[@scottieh8905]

Simply,simply lovely.

[@ducatimale]

There's a very nice dvd on the whole Petronas project. Troy Corser put one on pole back in the day aswell.

[@mizidaud7504]

Wow...sound great... nice bike...I'm proud with this bike...

[@dumbchuck1131]

Greetings from Malaysia 🙌

[@Ericlearnstosing]

I've never been this early! Love your content you two. Fellow rider from USA. Keep making rad videos!

[@rustypart8676]

It’s on the carol Nash stand this weekend in London

[@bearded_treesurgeon5399]

I remember wen this was release I watched the document they did on it on the proto type all the way thu to the first race spec bike wen I was a kid I'm now 29 years old and still remember it as if it was yesterday

[@moriwaki1105]

Great piece of History when Superbikes were still worth watching. And THAT Sound !!

[@newy2277]

These bikes were race bikes for the road that's why the engine sounds so lumpy at less than 4k rpm, once you open the throttle they are smooth as silk and sound awesome

[@woooster17]

Still stunning.. Love that Bianchi colour

[@madvente]

A (positive) comment about the sound - I believe it was in 2004 when I saw the FP1 at the WSB event at Assen campaigned by Chris Walker (when he suffered an injury (clavicle fracture?) due to a collision with Jurgen van den Goorbergh) and I found the sound really different and impressive and nice. Nothing like in this video. Too bad it could not be bored out to 999 cc and compete with the four cylinder Japs.

[@DeadlyAura76]

I remember these, other riders used to complain because they used to fire flames out the back loads and they were saying it was off putting. Race bike was gorgeous. This is lovely but the rear light is horrible.

[@deanhenthorn8674]

Sounds like a smooth linear powerband.. LOL. Made my day. Glad I road to work, Now i need to go speed....

[@anxietydude1044]

Banyak comment "proud to be Malaysian" haha.. jepun buat banyak benda x ckp pun diorg "Proud to be Japanese" haaha

[@senpaiotoka8663]

Haha.. proud to be malaysian.. mcm la dorang contribute buat enjin moto nih.. u cant be proud of where u r born.. but be proud of what u achieve

[@anxietydude1044]

True bro!!

[@woobykal68]

I remember watching these race at Phillip Island. They were basically flame throwers on wheels.

[@adrianflux7324]

Now that is bloody awesome 👍

[@DumDumProject]

Thank you for uploading this.

[@EAGuy]

I never knew this bike existed! That triple sounds manic.

[@knownuser09]

Looks amazing, Sounds like a whipper snippier/Chainsaw.

[@aneeshooooo]

The engine noise is so raw,

[@auslander808]

A friend sent me a pic of one of those that was in his shop a few months ago. Said they had 10 that were going up for sale.

[@doanlinh9525]

The Foggy Petronas team was the team that brings me to WSBK. A mysterious team until i know it last year. Their bikes is very different compare to the Ducati 999 those years. One thing i really don't understand is the seating position. Does that fit for tall riders (about 6'2") ? Back to those years, i remember that Troy Corser is not tall like that.

[@trevorbest]

Did you sneak into Royal Jordanian's garden and chop down his famous bush?

[@moupy6940]

That sound is crazy !!!

[@mrbrewbs]

My favourite sports bike...stunning

[@Alien937]

You could have let it warmed up a bit, before opening the throttle 🙄

[@FortyFourTeeth]

It was warm Steven 🙈

[@KrikkitWarlord]

Not to mention that a lot of lumpy race engines are better revved gently than left idling- they often have horrid harmonics that cause failures when cold, hence rev it a bit.

[@imo7270]

@@FortyFourTeeth It didn't look very warm with that much condensation coming out of the pipe, well not unless the head-gasket (if it has one) had popped :)

[@nakulshetty6078]

@@KrikkitWarlord I always wondered why race engineers did that, Thanks !

[@davidthebiker2955]

It's a weedwacker...

[@steve37steve37]

3 Stihl 090's tuned to one throttle..Fkn awesome ..I used to hate 2 stroke racing - now I miss it . . . . the fumes ... the fumes arhhhh

[@tuitaco]

They managed to make it sound like a nasty old school racing 2 stroke, god damn.

[@CampbellZeroOne]

Still a GREAT looking bike! A fire breathing beast.

[@Blackhart50]

Chainsaw motorcycle here we come Jason returns

[@ojastushar8123]

Wasn't there a picture circulating of a couple of these bikes sitting in a warehouse in malaysia

[@stephencole4498]

Just cracking, pure collectors piece

[@mick998r]

If I'm correct I remember seeing something about them being sold for 21k just after they quit World Supers. Just to try to get rid of them.

[@FRFM00]

wow man this is a special treat for me. I loved this bike!!!!!! thanks so much!

[@booshting3520]

Looks futuristic.

[@JustinSane50]

Sounds like a hedge trimmer! Lovely bike regardless!

[@steve23464]

Well that thing sounds pissed off doesn't it.

[@ponch851]

The tail lights look "suspiciously similar" to those of the Aprilia SR 50 scooter of the early 90s

[@stanleyknife1967]

Wow. Thought I was lucky finding a unicorn last week in a woody glade.

[@sk2283]

I remember them well, I think Hayden crashed more than they made ! 😂😂😂 Corser and Hayden both struggled badly on them

[@SuperbikeSurgeryTV]

Running it like that from cold just took 10K off the price! Or was that your sneaky plan :)

[@lukebrommage2420]

wasn't cold but ok

[@SuperbikeSurgeryTV]

@@lukebrommage2420 :) I'm sure it'll be fine! Didn't seem to be running particularly well which I guess is why it needed such encouragement...:)

[@graeme4130]

@@lukebrommage2420 it had condensation coming out the exhaust, so it was definitely cold

[@lukebrommage2420]

graeme hardie they said it was warm in another comment

[@sk2283]

That was hardly revving it ! And with modern synthetic oil it won’t stress it free revving when not under load. I’d have been more concerned it might catch fire ! 😂

[@elrayox8932]

Not a Suter design or built engine. The engine was done by Swiss F! team owner Peter Sauber.

[@roblaa3198]

wrong they are suter designed engines muppet

[@jakebutcher3494]

That sounded so good !

[@mikeymurrell1082]

Did you know these are reverse heads? Like an old two stroke. I'd love to of got that close to this!!

[@timbob6835]

Bloody hell was not expecting that sound haha

[@BETAanon]

Forgotten beast.

[@jeanlucgarcia4292]

Fantastique Petronas FP1 Elle apportait un sang nouveau à l'époque en mondial superbike avec son 3 cylindre" trop juste pour lutter contre les ducati et autre kawasaki! Magnifique machine 👊👍😉 et très rare , car sortie en très peut d'exemplaires ! Pour la route! Un bijoux de collection💖💖 très heureux de revoir cette moto qui me fesait rêvé à la grande époque du WSBK

[@ivey007]

I was slightly dissapointed that none of the pipes were rodgered.

[@pemburutambalban7799]

i describe the engine like this. engine at idle : some kind of chainsaw rev the engine : superbike 4 strokey sound fyi : dont rev the engine before you warm it up

[@steffydog]

Did they not find a load in a lock up a year or so back, sure it was in MCN.

[@mattiadallapozza5619]

Bonkers. I'm shaken!