Forget Seiko Speedtimer! Get this for $200 less!

[@David-nx2vm]

As I get older and my eyesight gets worse, I tilt towards larger cases, especially with complications on the face. Unlike many who claim a given watch is a cheaper alternative to a more expensive counterpart, this Orient really is a better alternative to the Seiko in my opinion. I own both Seiko and Orient, and I will take Orient finishing and quality control over any Seiko 5.

[@richardsmegma5081]

The Seiko is an instant classic - wearing it now!

[@islandwatch]

Good choice

[@rawz05]

Yes, because we all want that lovely 24-hr sub dial. Spoils so many watches for me.

[@Sicarius888]

I feel the same. It could be independent gmt, chrono hours counter, power reserve or even 2 subdials instead of 3. Just not this useless am/pm indicator.

[@islandwatch]

I know, I know

[@Cohen.the.Worrier]

ikr

[@grale78]

Can anybody explain me purpose of 24h dial on quartz? I prefer quartz but I didn't want to buy few watches that I like because of useless 24h dial. Including this one.

[@TheIronDuke9]

But can't you sort of use it as a chrono hrs counter if you set it at 0 right before you start the chrono timer? Edit: or is it married to the larger hour hand. I don't own a chrono so I'm not quite sure if the 24 sub dial is locked together with the hour hand or if you set it independently from the hour hand. My query depends on it being the latter

[@edcfyau]

beautiful orients! bracelet upgrades is a must and will buy in a heartbeat

[@chrismcalister6553]

Thank You Mark. Another easy to understand and honest video. You are a great resource.

[@robertmckinlay7242]

The Orient has more lume, a signed crown and better finishing on the sub dial circular edges rather than the Seiko punch holes. I was offered a deal on the Seiko, which I'm considering as I thought it was better sized for me, but now I've seen them side by side here... Thanks Marc, most useful.

[@islandwatch]

glad it helped

[@MstrMatt]

Just picked this one up a couple of weeks ago! Absolutely love it.

[@islandwatch]

Great to hear!

[@coffeeisgood102]

I am really happy that the seconds hand runs smoothly around the dial. That gives it a more professional look.

[@jimmymcclure4549]

I have this watch. It wears so well. Really like it. Currently have it on a white tropic for the summer. Really sharp that way!

[@islandwatch]

That sounds sweet!

[@iam_jayvinson]

This is my 1st Orient, and the watch is beautiful. Other than the date wheel being recessed so far that it makes it hard to read I find it a very good looking watch. I put a white strap with black edges and a black buckle on it and it looks GREAT! Especially for the money. 👍😁👍

[@Zotrax1946]

I don’t know.. me personally, I find the Seiko better looking 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@islandwatch]

No worries, glad you like

[@stevehenrytagami4709]

I bought the Seiko 40mm with the red chrono hand. It's classic and complete and the bracelet is well OK

[@islandwatch]

Thanks!

[@halfsourlizard9319]

Seiko bracelet okay!? Sus.

[@maderbokusnasser6178]

Fell in love with orient.accuracy,beauty,quality.especially the orient star😊

[@andrewbreton7062]

Picked this up a couple of days ago, with a black, and a white rubber strap to go with. Excited for it to come in. My first panda.

[@islandwatch]

Cool, enjoy

[@mountainjay]

Both Orient and Seiko are amazing value (well Seiko used to be at least) but only Orient makes you feel guilty for buying the watch because it makes you feel like you ripped them off.

[@RudyVisuals]

I lucked out and got a used ssc813 for nearly half off the retail price. The orient looks like a great alternative.

[@kennethfox6271]

I have the Seiko Japan only model SBPY165 and love it. I feel it's the best of these 2 watches, combined.

[@islandwatch]

Cool, thanks.

[@halfsourlizard9319]

I own a vaguely-similar Seiko: Having the dive-style bezel is actually quite useful -- for timing something at lower precision whilst you're timing with the chrono ... *or* for doing a countdown timer.

[@vktravellog1242]

Black one looks sharp

[@majormal1]

I used some cashback and got the Panda for a steal. I put it on a black and while rally strap and I can't stop staring at and admiring it's classic look. I also like the timing bezel, I actually use for my job.

[@SpaceMonkey13X]

It's a good looking watch, solid piece at a great price. LI almost placed an order for it. However, that 24 hour dial is just pointless to me. I'm not in the submarine service, I can easily tell if it's basically day or night without my watch. I'm sure there are those who can put this to use, but it's not me. In fact I dropped off a watch return today because it had a 24 hour dial that I didn't noticed while shopping (my bad). Oh, and the huge font for the 12 is unappealing as well. Great review as always, though.

[@slams7783]

I wear mine on a black sailcloth strap, love the way it fits. Marc, Please, Please make a stainless bracelet for this 😁

[@islandwatch]

Noted, thank you

[@rickw6703]

i got this watch with a Haveston olive green strap, highly recomended!!

[@shouryu]

I almost bought the Orient over Seitona. But in the end, the Orient was a little large for my dainty, feminine wrists. The Seitona was more expensive, but had the right sized dial.

[@islandwatch]

It's a great looking watch, enjoy

[@ionlybluffAA]

the seiko looks sharp.. love it

[@SemiDad]

I ❤️ my Orient Solar Chronograph (Panda). It reminds me of my ‘90s Seiko Sports Chronograph. I have it on a rally strap and it’s become my daily.

[@PAN-km5qk]

Have you seen the newest release? The SSC947 is stunning …. and a Pogue homage 😍

[@paulhart2021]

That 1521 is 🔥!

[@islandwatch]

thanks!

[@HansAndrist]

Great review! Have been scoping out the Orient for a while.

[@sandeepraj3619]

Got the black variant. Great watch! Except the bracelet. Wish it had AR sapphire.

[@iansclone]

This piece is sharp. Good on Orient for ditching the tachymeter, hope that design choice continues to spread. Why are 24hr indicators still a thing? Is it difficult to convert them to elapsed hour dials? Can we just have more two subdial varieties? Asking rhetorically, but man these things just won't phase out.

[@islandwatch]

Just to keep the dial balanced, otherwise, no good reason.

[@iansclone]

@@islandwatch thanks, I knew I wasn't taking crazy pills

[@dadmodswatches]

I love these! Thanks Mark!

[@islandwatch]

Welcome!

[@The_Invisible_Hooman]

I bought the seiko Speedtimer. Classic look and better dimensions

[@johnsrabe]

2:59 Black! Winner.

[@Boogenhagen100]

exactly what I was thinking. that black is stunning

[@thomaskelly3188]

I was up in the air between the orient and the tach frog. Pulled the trigger on the TF . Size and sapphire were the closers.

[@islandwatch]

Quite the name!

[@Dario_Daniele]

I love Orient (I do have a Kamasu with the red dial and it’s simply gorgeous), however I would still buy the Speedtimer if I got the budget for that. Better dimensions proportions and quality of construction overall in my opinion, plus I won’t never understand why Orient put a diver bezel on chronograph.

[@azdbuk]

Phenomenal value.

[@islandwatch]

I think so

[@mykytaradko5776]

I have also replaced the stock bracelet with Lorus stainless steel jubilee one. My Orient looks more refined with it

[@a420dro]

I love the Orient, I wanted Rolex, but didn't like the designs, then I saw the Orient panda and realized no need to flex and to be target during travelling, I want gorgeous watch I love to look at. Replaced the iron bracelet with white Nato strap

[@infinitekronos]

Great review! Do like the orient but I would hope for a tachymeter bezel. Thanks again!

[@tapanama7868]

I got the orient mako panda on sale(last item) for 3,4 million IDR or around 220 US dollars. very happy with the watch so far. btw, the chrono minute stops after reaching 60 and not continue running

[@brixvillaruel]

Are the mako bezels from your store compatible with these?

[@briansmith3011]

That blue is tempting. It would match my orient USA 2.

[@islandwatch]

Love the USA 2!

[@aw125]

Love the videos - Will there ever be another purple monster? :D

[@ArjitMehra]

Check out the Citizen CA4610-85A as well. Similar price range but in Eco drive and Titanium!

[@sheepdog-kp9hb]

I'll take the green dial jdm model thanks

[@acftmxman]

Marc, thanks for the video. I am so curious to see the movement architecture and compare it to the Seiko V175 and V192 movements. Also, have you heard of the reimagined Pogue that Saiko is coming out with in August? The SSC947 Special Edition.

[@johnthenative8368]

I really like the pepsi one and I was very close to ordering it from your site. I just can not justify spending the money on it right now lol. Too many car repairs in the near future 😅 I already have a Seiko Prospex Monster Antarctica Penguin "Save The Ocean" that I don't wear enough. I have a Seiko Presage and a Bulova 21 Jewel that I wear more often though

[@Conundrum191]

It's a nice watch, but these things are highly subjective, and the white Speed Timer just looks better to me, I think mainly due to the bezel design, the slightly domed crystal and the better bracelet. That said, when I got mine I went with the JDM SKU given it was much cheaper than I could get the international one locally. As for Orient, they do make great watches overall -- My Kamasu is still one of my favourite daily drivers.

[@markharmon6942]

Will any of your aftermarket bezels fit this?

[@datorgloki]

Been trying to find solid end link jubilee bracelet that fit nicely for this one. No luck so far.

[@scottsj4625]

Or if you don't mind putting in a battery I bought a Seiko brand meca quartz chronograph watch for under 200.00 USD. The leather strap it came with is not very good to keep in mind.

[@islandwatch]

cool, thanks for sharing.

[@sandeepraj3619]

Does your Mako replacement Bezels fit this one?

[@mrc1893]

Will you kamasu 22mm bracelet fit these?

[@jamesjohnson7905]

Oooooo nice very nice I'm surprised seiko has allowed them to do this as they are the parent company. Although I could be mistaken

[@commandZee]

Marc, Please consider making end links for your Islander bracelets that work for rubber strap Mako/Ray models.

[@islandwatch]

noted

[@rlgonzalez04]

Do any of your bracelets fit the new Orient Chrono?

[@ryanbane]

Marc, do you have a bracelet planned for the Speedtimers? Something with an on-the-fly adjustable clasp would be a differentiator against the few others making them out there. Thanks!

[@mk84142]

Does the kamasu/mako bracelets you sell fit this as well? Also do the coin edge bezels you sell for kamasu fit? Thanks!

[@amomentarygenius]

I've been waiting for LIW to start carrying this watch!

[@islandwatch]

So have we, LOL

[@mobelue]

Wow! I just bought the white from Amazon Japan. I would have bought from you. I did buy a white curved end rubber bracelet, and I am one who asked you about a 22mm SS bracelet by email. I am interested. Ty. Also, bought a similar Tactical Frog that looks similar. The TF has a solar Seiko chrono. Both very accurate. Very important for me. I like to T Frog bracelet ok. No prob. Thanks! Lume much better on the Orient than T frog. Orient markers slightly blue, which is ok for me. Orient pushers more tactical than my copy of T frog.

[@islandwatch]

thanks!

[@RaymondRakubian]

Really nice watch. But why, oh why do these major watch companies cheap out on the bracelet and clasp? You can get a Chinese watch (and an Islander, for that matter) for less with sapphire, solid links, solid end links, milled clasp and, now, on the fly micro adjustable clasps. It makes no sense.

[@islandwatch]

The clasp is ghastly! LOL

[@RaymondRakubian]

@@islandwatch That's why your stuff beats Seiko/Orient. You respect your customers.

[@kevinfestner6126]

What is the Long Island price. Been looking at this watch for a year now. I have the large orient triton with the power meter in blue. It is one of my favorite watches. I like the Urban Gentry, and your channel. TY,

[@Cohen.the.Worrier]

I prefer a simple fold over clasp with a row of holes to any high end milled clasp with a grand total of two micro adjust holes. That disqualifies the Seiko imo.

[@remolacha46]

If you release a bracelet, don't forget the bezel, i would love to put a ceramic one on mine

[@ReticentSparrow]

I understand why people balk at an ~42.5mm watch, but at 48mm lug-to-lug, it is quite wearable. My own wrist is ~6.5 inches, and these dimensions fit me just fine. A point for consideration: I think a sports watch should be larger. A bigger watch is easier to read at a glance, which is a bonus if you're in the middle of something that demands more of your attention than normal.

[@islandwatch]

It fit me just fine as well. Great looking watch

[@vladimirnovakovic3495]

Been trying to find will to pull the trigger on an Orient for years...maybe this year?

[@islandwatch]

Now is the time!

[@elojunitox]

will the Coin Edge Bezel for Orient Ray and Mako Generation 2 #B04-P work on this watch. also thanks Mark and if you make bracelets for them i'm all in

[@islandwatch]

I haven't checked yet

[@JM.TheComposer]

What is that green and red thing on the shelf behind you?

[@JM.TheComposer]

@@steamyTraveler001 I was kind of thinking Sriracha, but the cap is too big.

[@dadekrobert]

The Seiko is great and I like it a bit better, but it's just too small on my wrist. Wrist 7.5 inch ... and the Orient looks much better.

[@samnova450]

Are the Chronograph the only ones that are solar for Orient? Didn’t know, thanks.

[@islandwatch]

Nowadays. They used to make others.

[@DragosDreamer1989]

Forget both. Just get a Seiko Spirit SBTR027

[@islandwatch]

I'll check that out

[@JB-qt8eh]

I am not a fan of chrono, but I purchased a couple of glycine chrono quartz several years ago for

[@islandwatch]

Good price

[@vincebrickner5529]

😮Hey Marc could you tell me what's the difference between the RA model and the RN model I'm guessing it's just where it's sold in the world

[@islandwatch]

do you mean to start off the numbers? I do believe that is a factory code.

[@vincebrickner5529]

@@islandwatch yes well I do a little research the numbers are the same on these watches but the beginning letters are different. But there's also $100 difference in cost. Thanks for your help

[@mykytaradko5776]

I have the same white panda. But my chrono hand stops moving and resets after 1 hr.

[@jeremy67A]

I wish Marc's coin edge bezel fit on that Orient chrono, I'd buy it. I can't stand Orients notched bezel. 🤮 LIW should make another run of Orient bezels, this time for the chrono.

[@Makingnewnamesisdumb]

The reason the speedtimer is good is the dimensions.

[@islandwatch]

True. 39mm is so nice.

[@richardandaya3932]

Once you said, “43 mm” I stopped watching the video. That’s just too big.

[@pedrothevenard]

​@@richardandaya3932Not for my 8 inch wrist, it isn't.

[@matzmx]

39mm with 20mm lug width is the best.

[@_ChadM]

@@matzmx 20mm lug width and the bracelet tapering to 16mm.........

[@tmo8936]

Dear Mark, do you guys ship to Saudi Arabia? Thank you my friend

[@islandwatch]

Yes

[@albertsylvester2981]

THE ORIENT IS A BEAUTIFUL WATCH BUT I RATHER THE SEIKO

[@DaFox13]

I have this model. Got it last year and I have to say it was my best purchase of 2023. The quality you get for the price is fantastic.

[@islandwatch]

thanks for sharing

[@SkolI.]

My Neo 70 Panda Orient is better looking and cost me way less a few years back, crystal can be changed if needed and I don't dive with it so I don't mind to much about the water resist difference, design is going down but price up, kinda sad.

[@pokie6087]

Yeah I'll take the Seiko, mainly because it's obvious that it's what the Orient is trying to be

[@MJ_Brennan]

Orient delivers valuuuue.

[@davect01]

A diver watch bezel on a Chronograph, good choice. I've never used the tachymeter scale

[@islandwatch]

Most people don't. While it's an odd choice, it certainly is more useful.

[@davect01]

@@islandwatch I know I never have

[@adk7962]

What a terrific watch. Like everyone is saying, I wish it was smaller. Although judging from how it fits on your wrist, I could probably pull it off. Thanks for showing us the watch!

[@islandwatch]

thanks for watching!

[@brianmccord7387]

Yeah, as a few people have said this model is really big and the lug to lug is out of control. I would love it if it were 39.

[@clipse64485]

I have this watch and was worried about the size. It wears smaller than I expected. I have a 7 inch wrist and it feels great.

[@islandwatch]

I'm a 6.5" wrist and I feel it fits me fine.

[@clipse64485]

@@islandwatchI would 100% be down to get a bracelet from you for this watch. It’s really the only drawback I have with it.

[@mixodorians12]

Don't like dents in bezels.

[@islandwatch]

Me neither

[@andyfrizzell4352]

Kinda puts me off the Orients. That and the "tobacco" company logo, boring/ old fashioned looking hour and minute hands, oh and that clasp. Quite a list, best I keep looking!

[@KennyLarson]

Gah! It looks so good but that 24-hr subdial makes this a hard no. Otherwise I'd be putting my order in today. Why do they keep making those? 24-hour subdials are so worthless.

[@islandwatch]

thanks, and I understand!

[@michaelj8793]

Thanks for sharing as always my friend Be well and Wheels Up 👍

[@islandwatch]

Thank you!

[@markbyrum4743]

Nice watch. At 43mm it is too big for me. The solar concept is great, though. Throw it in the wash and dry it on high (shrink it) and I'm on board!

[@islandwatch]

LOL

[@halfsourlizard9319]

Once seen cannot be unseen: The date is off-centre betw 4 and 5 ... Whyyyyyy!?

[@halfsourlizard9319]

If they'd just done a 6 o'clock date, I'd impulse buy one immediately.

[@richardbriggs1593]

If only the Orient had a tachy bezel !!!!

[@pinchnsqueal]

Can you get me the green one?

[@Coldpack13]

Speed timer is better looking and better measurements.

[@islandwatch]

Maybe better proportions?

[@WMIYC]

43mm?! Did I wake up in 2005?

[@schmidtythekidd]

I wish. Simpler times my friend.

[@kaiwilliams141]

It's the classic Japanese style, a wide-ish diameter with a manageable and relatively short lug to lug

[@islandwatch]

LOL

[@andrejohnson6731]

Im a big fan of Orient, but Im not feeling this one 😕

[@TimMSUK]

For me the Seiko looks leagues ahead sorry!

[@islandwatch]

Thanks for watching.

[@etebol]

Glad Orient is still making watches for large wrists. With the US human population becoming thinner every generation, I can see the trend of smaller and smaller watches. Soon we will be back to the 1930’s with everyone wearing 33mm watches.

[@aaronkossowan5142]

The USA population is getting thinner every generation 🤣

[@etebol]

@@aaronkossowan5142 seriously, I can’t get my kid to buff up. And he eats like horse.

[@brianmccord7387]

Do you have any reliable evidence for this assertion? I’m an American and I’m surrounded by fat people.

[@islandwatch]

I'm not so sure Americans are getting thinner.

[@aaronkossowan5142]

@@etebolwe have the same problem. My two young boys are the same. In general though, Americans are definitely not getting thinner

[@TheShotenZenjin]

why are those virtually useless 24-hour complications there? were they originally made for those working in submarines or those who live down dark caves?

[@islandwatch]

Dial balance, just useless tho.

[@TheShotenZenjin]

​@islandwatch I think balance could have been retained with a more useful complication, such as a separate time zone, an alarm or an hour timer. Seiko and Orient are merely constricted by their mass production of this cheaper-to-make movement. Having said that, it seems most purchasers of chronometers and pilot watches buy them purely for their busy look. Outside of the stopwatch function, I think the number of those who actually use such complications as tachymeters and slide rules will be close to zero.

[@rauliflemington7045]

@@islandwatch I often visit north the Arctic circle and, make no mistake, it comes in handy.

[@benmoore7946]

can't wait for Orient's answer to Seiko's GMTs.

[@brianmccord7387]

@@benmoore7946 it’s funny that they haven’t already done this because they put out a dress GMT watch called the Polaris with their in-house 40P51 movement well before the NH34 was introduced. This seems like yet another example of Orient missing an opportunity to distinguish themselves in the value priced watch market.

[@islandwatch]

That would be a killer movement.