Ian: "It was cheaply made." Me: "oh no." Ian: "It has a very short bolt travel." Me: "Oh no." Ian: "It has a very high fire rate." Me: " *OH NO* ." Ian: fires gun "That's actually really nice." Me: "How can all of those things combined possibly function so well?" ????: "It's Swiss."
@caturix45414 жыл бұрын
🇨🇭😘
@MAD_ru_GADA3 жыл бұрын
(...) Ian: "It was cheaply made." (...) ???: "It's made in Switzerland." (...) Me: "Switzerland? Cheap???"... Greez from Zurich, Switzerland
@wrathmachine76093 жыл бұрын
I cant believe that a pivoting mag well is considered a cheap design lol.
@krebgurfson57323 жыл бұрын
answer: it's really expensive to make
@kjeaskop40562 жыл бұрын
@@MAD_ru_GADA It was compensated with profits from chocolate and watches...
@meanmanturbo7 жыл бұрын
cheap-out smg - has semi auto mode damn Swiss
@Zack_Wester7 жыл бұрын
swish cheap-out still the most expensive thing on the block.
@dentistguba7 жыл бұрын
Otherwise known as the "don't run out of ammo 5 minutes into the battle"' mode lol.
@meanmanturbo7 жыл бұрын
Yeah I guess, thinking about it it makes sense because the bolt throw is so short. With a bolt throw so short having a resonable rate of fire becomes a real problem, same reason full auto pistols like Glock 18 have a ridiculous rpm, since the bolt has such a short travel the rpm will be high. Making it a full auto only SMG with a 500:ish rpm would require serious redesign instead of just cutting away luxuries.
@rcbif1017 жыл бұрын
meanmanturbo - even the Sten has semi auto.
@garrettholland6647 жыл бұрын
Dentistguba The point of a submachine gun on full auto is to make 1 or 2 people very dead, very quickly. This is especially the case with ones with higher fire rates. For everything else, you use semi auto or really short bursts
@resident4296 жыл бұрын
The Swiss "cheap out", build a 1000 rpm, select fire SMG with a 40 round magazine that can fold for transport.
@MPdude2374 жыл бұрын
With good adjustable sights no less. These ones that can range from 50-100-200-300m and the front sight appears to be adjustable for windage, as opposed to the standard 100-200m flip sight.
@gcart76754 жыл бұрын
@anOKlamp youve never seen the grease gun then heh
@gcart76754 жыл бұрын
@anOKlamp actually it is and its cause of the super slow rate of fire
@vega12874 жыл бұрын
you can tell it's a "cheap out", ian had a malfunction
@gcart76753 жыл бұрын
@anOKlamp wow
@IRMentat7 жыл бұрын
Cheap Swiss guns still have more features than many other "fully featured" products.
@IRMentat7 жыл бұрын
That said there is something to be said about the elegance of well designed simplicity.
@jubuttib2 жыл бұрын
While a "cheap Swiss gun", it was probably still more expensive than the other fully featured ones. =)
@VertietRyper2 жыл бұрын
Sten moment
@RockSolitude4 жыл бұрын
Even the cheapest, most barebones swiss gun (a simple blowback tube smg at that) has more features, is better constructed, is smoother and more manageable to shoot than most smgs out there.
@smartcasual29737 жыл бұрын
"Ziss Is ze ghetooo BLASTAR" - Giant Swiss dude
@zachs6527 жыл бұрын
Thomas Phillips-bolton lol
@ralph405 жыл бұрын
Verily tell yee, a blaster from those of lower Cost housing Blessed are those of weaker bank accts , for yee shall be not be lifted up by recoik
@nobodxy3 жыл бұрын
@Niilonius true but to be honest swiss English is still heavily accented (source: Austrian with swiss relatives)
@CyborgPilord3 жыл бұрын
Let's try not to think too hard about which ghettos these were blasting :(
@imk20072 жыл бұрын
@@CyborgPilord this is a post war submachine gun
@Qsaws_7 жыл бұрын
That swinging mag is pretty sweet
@StrongholdArmory7 жыл бұрын
Qsaws You should check out his video on the Hotchkiss Universal SMG if you think that's a cool feature.
@cptreech7 жыл бұрын
Or the MAT-49. Be interesting to see a direct comparison between this and the MAT, similar guns designed for a similar period. The French gun got to see 30 plus years of hard combat whereas the Swiss weapon thankfully never had to prove itself but I wonder if it would not have gained a similar reputation as a gun to bet your life on.
@wowomatic7 жыл бұрын
This definitely looks more practical than the Rube Goldberg nightmare that is unfolding a Hotchkiss Universal.
@Qsaws_7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip Stronghold Armory, it was nice to watch.
@hoppinggnomethe41542 жыл бұрын
Nice Beksinski profile pic you got there
@SolidTaylor7 жыл бұрын
Deamn, Switzerland is like some fairyland from far far away, where little magical gun-fairies crafts this cool bizarre guns.
@junichiroyamashita7 жыл бұрын
And very good paychecks
@AGS3637 жыл бұрын
But you really need those when you are living there.
@junichiroyamashita7 жыл бұрын
AGS363 yeah but not if you are an italian living near the border
@michaelfoye11357 жыл бұрын
Solid T Shh, ze gun control nazis will learn of the true location of Santa's Werkshoppe if you keep saying that.
@Max_Flashheart7 жыл бұрын
That is how they make the holes in Swiss Cheese confirmed.
@mr.winters17337 жыл бұрын
Cmdr Benkai 😂😂😂😂
@jessesands40994 жыл бұрын
Cmdr Benkai 😆🔫🧀🇨🇭
@Weaponsandstuff937 жыл бұрын
That looks like a really nice SMG.
@fokinsnipahs98237 жыл бұрын
Weaponsandstuff93 hey dude!
@mnk90737 жыл бұрын
It does, sadly there was a shitload of accidents with those things as they had the habit of blasting off on full auto when dropped or banged on something which led to the army abandoning them. (And before you say: "What kind of soldier drops his loaded gun or bangs it onto something?" Drafted 4-weeks a year soldiering reservists do.)
@garrettholland6647 жыл бұрын
"Hmm, do I want to carry this heavy large thing down off of the side of a tank? not really" *throws gun off of tank* Military weapons have to be idiot proofed to an extent. That is why they all have shitty triggers
@shurikengaming11915 жыл бұрын
@@mnk9073 but the mag folds out of the way to prevent that? I guess if you dont use that feature
@FedericoStivan7 жыл бұрын
That 553 chilling on the side with the safety on full auto was distracting, in the army they would get mad XD
@pipss26697 жыл бұрын
I noticed that too !! "Note 1 Ungenügend, nacharbeit am Wochenende !"
@FedericoStivan7 жыл бұрын
NOOOOO everything but the nacharbeit am Wochenende HAHAHA XD
@pipss26697 жыл бұрын
NACHARBEIT AM WOCHENENDE UND AM DARAUFFOLGENDEN WOCHENENDE + LIEGEN !!!!
Uuuhhh... that would give an hour of putting the safety on and off... until your indexfinger is used up like your soles from the KS after long marches 😂
@gooondie7 жыл бұрын
That magazine flip up is so cool!
@john0509944 жыл бұрын
It's incredible how smooth the full auto shooting was given the straight blow back and the high rate of fire. It looked incredibly controllable for a lead firehose. Gotta love the Swiss.
@TJJJJJJJJJJJ7 жыл бұрын
Holly mackerel gun Jesus that rate of fire is nuts
@royperkins38517 жыл бұрын
t j a ppsh can hit 1200rds a minute when it's been used a while 3pulls on the trigger would empty a 72 rd mag in a blink?
@TJJJJJJJJJJJ7 жыл бұрын
Roy Perkins hahha yeah but the soviets are crazy :)
@daveconleyportfolio51925 жыл бұрын
Shoot at right angles to the target and bludgeon the enemy with casings.
@BillBodrero2 жыл бұрын
I really like this line of Swiss sub guns. Elegant when fully dressed, and simple utility when all the elegant dress is removed, but still beautifully elegant in operation and design.
@V4MPYR10557 жыл бұрын
Here and proud to be swiss
@arsenal_6167 жыл бұрын
Would be interested to see a comparison between this one and the nicer non-"ghetto blaster" version. Because this seems pretty solid for an SMG of it's era. I'd like to see what the differences are and where corners were cut.
Enjoying this on my birthday, thanks Ian and forgotten weapons!
@butcherpiper46987 жыл бұрын
Damn, ian is in my country and I could't have a feldschlösschen with the man. Love your videos ian!
@Gordon_Shumwai7 жыл бұрын
phui, cardinal 4 ever ;) (jo, ich weiss beidi werded in Rhyfäldä gmacht)
@butcherpiper46987 жыл бұрын
schwiizer bier ist das beste bier! Grüess von Tessin!
@MRCL82157 жыл бұрын
In Neuhuse wird aber Falke trunke ;)
@damnbadger82427 жыл бұрын
back in the days , you used to sell 'Gurten' bier.. That was better then Feldschlossen, or Heineken, Grolsch enz. Where did it go? Gr. from the Netherlands.
@butcherpiper46987 жыл бұрын
We still do! Nice Beer from our Hauptstadt!
@emilhajbert53267 жыл бұрын
Support Ian on Patreon and see amazing videos like this early
@jaytea40937 жыл бұрын
How is your comment older than the video by 4 weeks?
@whatevah7 жыл бұрын
was posted as unlisted and link provided to the patreon supporters ahead of time
@nickirmen66715 жыл бұрын
thanks mclovin
@anonymousbosch92654 жыл бұрын
Beautiful in it utility and elegant design even if it’s aesthetic finish has been overlooked
@JiiHooMan7 жыл бұрын
What makes the gun recoil so mildly? It looks relatively light, it has high fire rate, short bolt travel and the barrel aligns above the stock so you could think that the recoil would be quite harsh. But instead it seems to be very controllable in full auto, almost like the way the KP-31 is, which has the advantage of heavy weight to absorb the recoil.
@EattinThurs616 жыл бұрын
The high rate of fire I think. Very low and very high is more stable than midrange rate of fire.
@jonross3776 жыл бұрын
LOL It's a 9mm.
@ohredhk7 жыл бұрын
Swiss gun! Always want to see these.
@hamboneneurosis9953 жыл бұрын
This video may be on the short side, but it's still one of my favorites. Thanks man
@anilborah3127 Жыл бұрын
If you're looking around for a BB pistol I would recommend this one kzbin.infoUgkxnX9wE_Q8zvF75Y5iWzTU3Q4FlrtyGApQ . I ordered two BB pistols from Dan Wesson and this one is so much nicer than the other one. It's a well built gun. Can't say that about the other one. I thought the Mag was pretty easy to load. I also just lock the spring back and fill up the hole with 16 BB's with no sweat. Easily remove the rear part of the handle from the bottom with the Mag removed to access the CO2 chamber. Sweet. Very nice painted sights on both ends. Doesn't have blowback but the gun is rated at 410 fps the blowback edition is 365 fps.Didn't really know much about BB guns before but now I see that Umarex makes some fine BB guns. You'd be hard pressed to find a nicer CO2 air pistol than this one I think. Just seems flawless. It even states on the packaging Glock perfection. I think my next Airgun may very well be an Umerex. Oh and if you really want a blowback (don't think amazon sells the Glock w/blowback) you might consider the Beretta APX by Umarex. But that gun is only rated at 310 fps. All things being equal, if it were me I'd buy the Glock again in a heartbeat :)
@eddyeikdal67417 жыл бұрын
For a neutral country the Swiss sure do love their military arms.
@liquidminds7 жыл бұрын
The Swiss have some of the highest rates of private gun-owners in europe, since they have mandatory military service and get to keep their gun after that, for defensive purposes. They just recently changed it so that they don't get ammo with it anymore, because suicide-rates were just too high. Switzerland is also the only country that can be entirely locked down. Every entrance into the country can be blocked with steel-barriers and the mountains are full of hidden bunkers, even for jet-hangars sometimes. "neutral" only means they won't take sides in other countries fighting each other. It does not mean that they are not willing do defend. If you attack Switzerland, you got to expect every single swiss citizen to fight you.
@eddyeikdal67417 жыл бұрын
Must be nice.
@IonoTheFanatics7 жыл бұрын
more accurately... part of the reason they were able to remain neutral at all were said arms in the first place (among others), having guns and well trained men able to use them tend to be more effective at convincing others to leave you alone than most things.
@baron81077 жыл бұрын
Eddy Eikdal That's how you stay neutral.
@baron81077 жыл бұрын
liquidminds Why were suicides such a problem?
@RealThundar17 жыл бұрын
This really is my fav channel on youtube. You really do have the best job in the world, Ian.
@MrPanzerDragoon2 жыл бұрын
The Swiss are just so amazing!
@zuhailishufller80467 жыл бұрын
Quite simple design. Did`nt expect that from Swiss.
@ChannelSho7 жыл бұрын
The acoustics in the location make that gun sound way more awesome than it appears.
@Haaraff7 жыл бұрын
Love how the morphology of the pistol grip and the fire select lever were recycled for the SIG 510 (Stgw 57)
@TheGearhead2224 жыл бұрын
I own a Schmidt-Rubin K-31 carbine and a M1911 long rifle. Both very well made and accurate rifles. Some of the NICEST guns in my C&R collection in terms of overall value:)-John in Texas
@trashpanda3147 жыл бұрын
What a sweet little blaster! I've read about them before but I guess I just passed it by as another dime a dozen sub gun. Man was I wrong, the Swiss once again give me some medicine to take. Lol. Great work as usual; Ian.
@peterhopkins47487 жыл бұрын
Ian, I love the way that the sound of the gun is attenuated in that firing range, it makes it sound awesome. This gets me thinking... many people have designed and manufactured devices to suppress the sound of a weapon firing but has anyone actually made an attenuator to make something like a sub-machine gun sound more like a medium or heavy machine gun.
@KorbinX7 жыл бұрын
I don't know what is more intimidating about this gun: The amount of lead flying or the sound of the brass hitting the floor ;)
@Elektronaut7 жыл бұрын
at 5:58 when you extended the stock, did the magazine swivel down on it's own?
@ItsBodin7 жыл бұрын
Elektronaut thats what it looks like which would make since. No point in pulling out the stock if the gun cant feed. Plus its swiss even on a chepo SMG they are going to have bells and whistles.
@nixcomments7 жыл бұрын
The folded/collabsed transportation mode looks marvelous! Almost like a star wars blaster. Are there any videos about the previous and more refined versions of this sub machine gun on this channel?
@nixcomments7 жыл бұрын
toomanyaccounts thank you!
@iacobvs26057 жыл бұрын
Nice pocket watch on your left on the wall
@amperzand91627 жыл бұрын
I want this thing to be more common in fiction and reality, because it seems neat as hell.
@billsummy24127 жыл бұрын
So sort of like that french mat-49 with that folding mag?
@troy94777 жыл бұрын
Nice design, especially the bolt, recoil spring, charging handle, and their relationship. Looks pretty controllable for 1000 rpm. I wonder if it would be even better with a buffer bringing it down to 800 or so. Never heard of these. Always interesting to learn a new one. Great video as always. Thank you
@mikeellis41585 жыл бұрын
Nice weapon. I like how the mag well folds for storage. Strange shooting range.
@jhm8117 жыл бұрын
Hey Ian, what is on the other side of the holes you were shooting through?
@ForgottenWeapons7 жыл бұрын
A dirt berm.
@jhm8117 жыл бұрын
Forgotten Weapons thanks mate, cheers
@darransmith327 жыл бұрын
Germany ;)
@Ws_minion7 жыл бұрын
Political dissidents.
@IRMentat7 жыл бұрын
Rate of fire sounds like the mg42 baby brother. Edit. not far off, iirc mg42 was 1200 rpm.
@Turgz7 жыл бұрын
IMMentat 1200 was the average cyclic rate for the MG42.
@GetTheFO7 жыл бұрын
It sounds so satisfying hearing the casings clatter on the floor for some reason.
@raysrecipe19934 жыл бұрын
We have this baby still works like well and still accurate for its age we had trouble trying to find extra mags for it but luckily we found someone who makes mags from scratch. Its now being preserved registered for archiving purposes.
@mbchannel10375 жыл бұрын
Nice! Very compact, simple design and light weight.
@pLAST3RdISAST3R6 жыл бұрын
Incredible! Yes, thanks to those who donate on Patreon for helping make these possible!!
@Feiora7 жыл бұрын
the smoothness and engineering of a watch, paired with the crude looks of a grease gun...
@WilliamLondor7 жыл бұрын
A video about the 550 series would be cool.
@RewanHelvetius7 жыл бұрын
well ... not realy a "forgotten weapon" but i would love to see that to. from early prototype on. i love the 550 platform. so grate to shoot.
@sergeimosin98344 жыл бұрын
The Springfield model 87a operating system is reminiscent of this SMG. It's my favorite .22 firearm.
@666toysoldier6 жыл бұрын
The brass pouring out gives a new meaning to "golden rain".
@vampolascott363 жыл бұрын
I like that Swiss pocket watch hanging from the wall.
@emiliomoreno32567 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Ian.
@JenniferinIllinois7 жыл бұрын
"A thousand rounds a minute. Damn" - best Ian line ever! Hehehe...
@myparceltape11693 жыл бұрын
If these are safety spectacles which are ground to suit Iain's eyesight, they are exactly what a man wanted from the Swiss company he worked for.
@fletcherpotvin77076 жыл бұрын
"Exactly what you'd expect from the Swiss, really nice guns." *cameraman blushes*
@burnsboysaresoldiers7 жыл бұрын
Vatican Swiss guards used that sig series of sub guns for yeeeeears. Right next to their Dreyse pistols
@borismuller866 жыл бұрын
Very interesting gun. Good to see even the Swiss were watching the pfennigs back in the 1940s.
@davidbroz-tanner17567 жыл бұрын
Put on the subs. It registers the bursts as music and applause. God bless
@Rilyn6667 жыл бұрын
That mag/grip fold was enough for me to think this gun was awesome!
@spairus44927 жыл бұрын
I like how the ejected cartridges form what you could only call a stream! At least on camera.
@dentistguba7 жыл бұрын
sounds like wind chimes as they hit the floor.
@achimswiss7 жыл бұрын
im from, swiss and didnt know about this gun. its realy cool this funny gagdet :) and there stay 2 sigg90 stgw. greets from stwitzerland and thx for the grat work ypu did.
@jeffreyallen34612 жыл бұрын
3:10 - can we assume that Saturday's at the range will be about the two rafles to your left here?
@Mr9Guns7 жыл бұрын
Reminds me a bit of the MAT49 a bit especially with the folding magwell.
@Pcm9797 жыл бұрын
Is there anywhere I can read more about this series of guns? A desultory search came up with nothing.
@spudgunn86955 жыл бұрын
So even a cheaped-out Swiss SMG is a lot better than most other people's expensive ones! Guess we now know how they can stay Neutral for so long.
@future_phonk Жыл бұрын
Still better than any economical tube smg. I want one 😍
@swagner586 жыл бұрын
Even with that rate of fire (and I'd hate to question the Swiss when it comes to counting things, but that seemed suspect to me) it's not surprising that it's controllable. Stock axis and bore are very close, everything is aligned parallel to line of fire. Compare that to something like the Thompson which Ian has shown really likes to climb when fired. Great series.
@kampase7 жыл бұрын
Nice Varusteleka patch
@as2ds7 жыл бұрын
Nice Ian, very nice.
@Dondolini947 жыл бұрын
This seems excellent for such a old gun, even thought the r.o.f. is so high the recoil seems reasonable. Honestly, for a 9mm, as long as it doesn't jam often and have fire selector, over 1000 rpm full auto is the way i would like to go.
@quentinrossetto18997 жыл бұрын
Varusteleka hoodie and patch, noiiice
@clarkneedsaweapon3 жыл бұрын
Did they make drum mags for these things? Or did they not get to that point? A 100 count drum would be amazing
@anter1767 жыл бұрын
Does barrel length play a significant part in how long the pressure is too high to open the action?
@MrRogsmart7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ian. Good video.
@randywatson83477 жыл бұрын
Wow looks very controllable
@bradford58337 жыл бұрын
Amazing what the Swiss could and can come up with. 1026 9mm rounds per minute, cheap, simple and easy to use.
@grc707 жыл бұрын
This SMG is elegant in it's simplicity.
@heliosdelsol7 жыл бұрын
That's a nifty little SMG! 👍🏼
@necrondl7 жыл бұрын
Ian, Where can I find that rad sweatshirt you are sporting? Looks like you've got a Varu patch, but that might just be an ultra aesthesos addition.
@necrondl7 жыл бұрын
For anyone who wants it, I found it. www.varusteleka.com/en/group/hoodies/1123
@justinhansen73847 жыл бұрын
The ringing is coming in through your jaw bone contacting the metal stock.
@arcticequine70847 жыл бұрын
Wait, if you're at Switzerland then I dearly hope there's a SIG 542 video on the horizon. I always wanted to see how that rifle would stack up in the FAL vs G3 debate.
@XBrh53a7 жыл бұрын
Gotta love those Brass Rainbows.
@Neepri-Mies7 жыл бұрын
2:12 oohshiiiiiiit!!!!! That's awesome.
@JTMC937 жыл бұрын
Made me wonder what you think of the 'Drehling' Musket. Or rather the Revolving Matchlock that supposedly dates to the 1580s. (And thus appears to be the earliest known repeating firearm.)
@keithbickerdike46213 жыл бұрын
What strikes me about these old weapons is The quality of engineering involved ..
@algator17307 жыл бұрын
Have you thought about putting out a book or DVD with all your info?
@Rovers17837 жыл бұрын
A Swiss ghetto blaster? Made by Sig? Time to send my updated Christmas wish list to my local FFL.
@Greger887 жыл бұрын
Is the magazine automatically in the loaded position when would fold it back or do you need to push it in slightly to fire/pull out slightly to fold like other similar designs? I hope none of the other rifles were neglected in the making of this video :) .
@jacobstaten2366 Жыл бұрын
It would be really cool to dig out a tiny indoor range in your basement like this.
@roybennett63304 жыл бұрын
Gee ian you get around a bit,any chance of you coming to Australia??
@LittleLion937 жыл бұрын
Hi from Switzerland :)
@LittleLion937 жыл бұрын
Someone did :P
@FrostyFoxDrake6 жыл бұрын
What are those two polymer-furnished carbines to your left in the firing range? They’re interesting, and given the location, probably good guns???
@lucariolps2775 жыл бұрын
Stgw 90. The Swiss military service rifle.
@jdmdc5r0484 жыл бұрын
Ian ever thought about doing something on the sig m11b??
@jameelomar85137 жыл бұрын
Cool...Sig is life
@EroSonogSvijeta7 жыл бұрын
Cool video Ian! What's up with the Varusteleka patch on your left arm?
@brunodrivel24874 жыл бұрын
I like it. Perfect back up pistol. Could've used it in papua a few times
@GorillasGuns7 жыл бұрын
Very much like a grease gun. With a few more bells and whistles. How do I get one?...
@spiderjerusalem82844 жыл бұрын
Carl Gustav M/45: Who are you? Sig 310: I´m you but Brrrttt.